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mikepro
Jun 11, 2012, 07:51 PM
So below is a screenshot from BGR showing the new maps, and the same approximate area shown in the old Google Maps

Look how much more info is on the Google Map. Street directions, more street labels, etc. I know the new iOS maps is not fully out yet, and it has some cool, new features. But, in some respects I think it is going to be a big step back (similar to iOS iPhoto using Open Street Maps) in the quality of the map view.

I've always been a fan of Google Maps, and the subtle things they do to make their maps more readable. If you compare their maps to other mapping services, and study their labels, you will see that Google has spent a good deal of time figuring out how to best display labels. Subtle things from label size, the white space surrounding the letters, decluttering around major cities. All very subtle, but when you compare, it really makes a readability difference.



chrf097
Jun 11, 2012, 07:53 PM
So below is a screenshot from BGR showing the new maps, and the same approximate area shown in the old Google Maps

Look how much more info is on the Google Map. Street directions, more street labels, etc. I know the new iOS maps is not fully out yet, and it has some cool, new features. But, in some respects I think it is going to be a big step back (similar to iOS iPhoto using Open Street Maps) in the quality of the map view.

I've always been a fan of Google Maps, and the subtle things they do to make their maps more readable. If you compare their maps to other mapping services, and study their labels, you will see that Google has spent a good deal of time figuring out how to best display labels. Subtle things from label size, the white space surrounding the letters, decluttering around major cities. All very subtle, but when you compare, it really makes a readability difference.

Zoom in. Watch what happens.

There's absolutely no reason to clog up my map with minor street names when I'm zoomed out so far.

Sixtyin3
Jun 11, 2012, 07:53 PM
So below is a screenshot from BGR showing the new maps, and the same approximate area shown in the old Google Maps

Look how much more info is on the Google Map. Street directions, more street labels, etc. I know the new iOS maps is not fully out yet, and it has some cool, new features. But, in some respects I think it is going to be a big step back (similar to iOS iPhoto using Open Street Maps) in the quality of the map view.

I've always been a fan of Google Maps, and the subtle things they do to make their maps more readable. If you compare their maps to other mapping services, and study their labels, you will see that Google has spent a good deal of time figuring out how to best display labels. Subtle things from label size, the white space surrounding the letters, decluttering around major cities. All very subtle, but when you compare, it really makes a readability difference.

Looks like 3 steps back...

Daveoc64
Jun 11, 2012, 07:55 PM
I don't think anyone seriously expected Apple to be able to replicate everything (or even most of) what Google Maps has worldwide. It just wouldn't be possible. Even using Tom Tom, they're only accessing the same basic map data that Google does.

Bing is perhaps the biggest competitor to Google Maps, and they've not managed to cover as much of the world as Google in several years of trying.

http://www.microsoft.com/maps/streetside.aspx

I get that it's a beta, but it's going to take a miracle for the Maps app to actually be usable here in the UK.

Jordan921
Jun 11, 2012, 07:57 PM
So below is a screenshot from BGR showing the new maps, and the same approximate area shown in the old Google Maps

Look how much more info is on the Google Map. Street directions, more street labels, etc. I know the new iOS maps is not fully out yet, and it has some cool, new features. But, in some respects I think it is going to be a big step back (similar to iOS iPhoto using Open Street Maps) in the quality of the map view.

I've always been a fan of Google Maps, and the subtle things they do to make their maps more readable. If you compare their maps to other mapping services, and study their labels, you will see that Google has spent a good deal of time figuring out how to best display labels. Subtle things from label size, the white space surrounding the letters, decluttering around major cities. All very subtle, but when you compare, it really makes a readability difference.

Sorry but I never really liked google maps. New Apple maps actually looks better without all the streets I don't need.

mikepro
Jun 11, 2012, 08:01 PM
Zoom in. Watch what happens.

There's absolutely no reason to clog up my map with minor street names when I'm zoomed out so far.

Uh... well, I can tell where much more stuff is in the Google view, and how to get from point A to point B better. Basically, the purpose of a map. How's that for a reason? It's a very reasonable zoom scale. If I have to zoom in too far to see detail, it's not very useful. Google map is detailed, not clogged.

I don't think anyone seriously expected Apple to be able to replicate everything (or even most of) what Google Maps has worldwide. It just wouldn't be possible. Even using Tom Tom, they're only accessing the same basic map data that Google does.

Bing is perhaps the biggest competitor to Google Maps, and they've not managed to cover as much of the world as Google in several years of trying.

http://www.microsoft.com/maps/streetside.aspx

I get that it's a beta, but it's going to take a miracle for the Maps app to actually be usable here in the UK.


Yeah, there was a great web site comparing Bing and Google and talking about many of the same things I'm talking about. I think this was it:
http://reader.benshoemate.com/2010/12/google-maps-label-readability/

rjohnstone
Jun 11, 2012, 08:02 PM
Zoom in. Watch what happens.

There's absolutely no reason to clog up my map with minor street names when I'm zoomed out so far.
In midtown Manhattan you NEED all the details you can get.
The Apple map doesn't even tell you what the direction the flow of traffic is on each street.
VERY important info to have if your trying to figure out how to get too/from someplace.

mikepro
Jun 11, 2012, 08:02 PM
Sorry but I never really liked google maps. New Apple maps actually looks better without all the streets I don't need.

Now, without all the streets you don't need!
That's it, million dollar advertising campaign for the new maps. You nailed it!

RocksterX
Jun 11, 2012, 08:17 PM
The Maps application is very disappointing compared to Google Maps. It is missing not only Streetview, Transit, and a huge amount of businesses but it is also pretty ugly comparatively. It looks like a Tom Tom even for geographic features and quality. The 3D maps are cool, but it isn't much different than what Google Earth pulls off with more coverage and better information.

I had no idea how impressive Google's efforts were until removing it as an option by default.

There is going to be a backlash against this replacement of the existing maps with this. Guaranteed.

iPhoneApple
Jun 11, 2012, 08:19 PM
I like the design of Apple maps, but at least let us use google maps until the Apple maps are more developed and have more roads.

guru_ck
Jun 11, 2012, 08:20 PM
I wonder if Google is going to release a standalone (not Earth) maps app for the users who don't like Apple's solution.

rjohnstone
Jun 11, 2012, 08:22 PM
I wonder if Google is going to release a standalone (not Earth) maps app for the users who don't like Apple's solution.
They already said they would. Just didn't say when exactly.

mncmoore
Jun 11, 2012, 08:27 PM
Zoom in one more and apples will probably look cleaner

bozzykid
Jun 11, 2012, 08:50 PM
Zoom in one more and apples will probably look cleaner

How will it look "cleaner"? For maps, you don't need "clean". You need readability. Even zoomed out, the Apple map is hard to read.

samh
Jun 11, 2012, 09:03 PM
So below is a screenshot from BGR showing the new maps, and the same approximate area shown in the old Google Maps

Look how much more info is on the Google Map. Street directions, more street labels, etc. I know the new iOS maps is not fully out yet, and it has some cool, new features. But, in some respects I think it is going to be a big step back (similar to iOS iPhoto using Open Street Maps) in the quality of the map view.

I've always been a fan of Google Maps, and the subtle things they do to make their maps more readable. If you compare their maps to other mapping services, and study their labels, you will see that Google has spent a good deal of time figuring out how to best display labels. Subtle things from label size, the white space surrounding the letters, decluttering around major cities. All very subtle, but when you compare, it really makes a readability difference.

I'm sorry... I missed the announcement that Apple had declare iOS 6 Maps finished, feature-complete, and never-to-be-updated-again.

El3ctronics
Jun 11, 2012, 09:31 PM
I'm sorry... I missed the announcement that Apple had declare iOS 6 Maps finished, feature-complete, and never-to-be-updated-again.

Another apple apologist.

Peace
Jun 11, 2012, 09:36 PM
I like the design of Apple maps, but at least let us use google maps until the Apple maps are more developed and have more roads.

You do realize this OS version isn't even out for 3 more months right ?

Timzer
Jun 11, 2012, 10:05 PM
I'm sorry... I missed the announcement that Apple had declare iOS 6 Maps finished, feature-complete, and never-to-be-updated-again.

Google never made such announcements either, but never stopped people ridiculing Google for beta software. Hmmm...

Imola Ghost
Jun 11, 2012, 10:31 PM
I hope that they do not use the little dot anymore and use something that tells me which direction i'm heading.

Jordan921
Jun 11, 2012, 11:07 PM
Now, without all the streets you don't need!
That's it, million dollar advertising campaign for the new maps. You nailed it!

So your saying looking at the google maps picture you need the names of all the streets showing when you are looking for a specific street.

BlueGummiBear
Jun 11, 2012, 11:11 PM
I hope that they do not use the little dot anymore and use something that tells me which direction i'm heading.

In the now legacy Maps app you'd just double tap the lower left arrow icon to activate the compass and it would show you which direction you're facing. From the screen shots on the Apple site it looks like the icon is there too.

Technarchy
Jun 11, 2012, 11:29 PM
Very clearly, drawing any conclusions about Maps without actually using it is moronic at best.

Smith288
Jun 11, 2012, 11:30 PM
I like the design of Apple maps, but at least let us use google maps until the Apple maps are more developed and have more roads.

Its called a beta. 100% opt in. Wow.

Warbrain
Jun 11, 2012, 11:33 PM
There is a large amount of work that goes into how much data should be displayed on a map. If you ask me, Google puts far too much information upfront and clutters the map. It has only gotten worse as they've let people place locations and other items on the map. Give me a clean map that produces more information as I zoom over a cluttered mess.

err404
Jun 11, 2012, 11:48 PM
Frankly it is irrelivent whether Google displays more information on their maps. Once Google denied the use of their maps for turn by turn navigation, they ceased to be a long term option for iOS.
On the bright side, we will still have access to Google Maps via Safari while Apple improves their solution. Hopefully Google will submit their Maps app to the App Store in the interim.
For the record, I prefer Apples unification of the 2D and 3D modes into a single UI, as opposed to the separation of Google Maps and Google Earth.

wildonrio
Jun 12, 2012, 12:20 AM
Frankly it is irrelivent whether Google displays more information on their maps. Once Google denied the use of their maps for turn by turn navigation, they ceased to be a long term option for iOS.

Not true. Google was more than happy to give it to Apple, but Apple was tired of paying Google royalties on every iPhone they sold when Google was such a big competitor of theirs. So they decided to invest and come up with their own solution, which is what we see now. Apple is now Google-free, except for supporting their search engine of course, which they'll never get away from.

Ljohnson72
Jun 12, 2012, 12:27 AM
In midtown Manhattan you NEED all the details you can get.
The Apple map doesn't even tell you what the direction the flow of traffic is on each street.
VERY important info to have if your trying to figure out how to get too/from someplace.

Exactly.


I love Apple as much as the next person on MacRumors but come on, let's get real.

mikepro
Jun 12, 2012, 06:17 AM
Exactly.


I love Apple as much as the next person on MacRumors but come on, let's get real.

Agreed. There is big tendency to evangelize and apologize for Apple hear. Hey, I love them and their stuff too. It might be a good thing that Apple has their own maps software that they can control and grow. Maybe one day it will far surpass Google Maps. But for now, it seems like their maps are not nearly as good. It's fine to admit this and call them on it. They are great, and excel at most things they do. But, their maps definitely need to improve to be anywhere close to current Google Maps.