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MacRumors
Jun 12, 2012, 10:45 AM
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As noted by Cult of Mac (http://www.cultofmac.com/173094/apple-pulls-messages-for-mac-beta-ahead-of-mountain-lion-launch-next-month/), Apple has removed references to the Messages for Mac beta that the company released for OS X Lion in mid-February (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/16/apple-releases-public-beta-of-new-messages-app-for-os-x/) to provide a preview of the functionality coming in OS X Mountain Lion.There's still a Messages for Mac link at the bottom of Apple's Downloads page -- as you can see below -- but again, it just redirects to the Mac OS X page, where a Messages beta cannot be found.

It's likely that Apple is now happy with how beta testing has gone, and that it has already prepared a final release that will launch alongside Mountain Lion in July.Apple has not removed the download entirely, however, as it is still accessible via direct download (63.8 MB) (http://appldnld.apple.com/MessagesBeta/041-4274.20120216.z5km/MessagesBeta.dmg). It is unknown how long Apple will continue hosting the download, but text strings found within the app earlier this year suggest that the app itself will expire (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/17/after-beta-messages-will-be-exclusive-to-os-x-mountain-lion/) once OS X Mountain Lion is released and Messages will be a Mountain Lion exclusive.

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Apple announced (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/apple-announces-dictation-icloud-tabs-and-power-nap-features-in-os-x-mountain-lion-available-in-july-for-19-99/) yesterday that OS X Mountain Lion will launch in July and be priced at $19.99 through the Mac App Store. Users of Snow Leopard and Lion will be able to upgrade to Mountain Lion for the same price.

Users of the Messages beta for Lion have complained of a number of issues including crashes and problems with syncing across devices, failure to send, and disappearing messages. Many have been hoping for an update to address some of these issues, but it appears that Apple is focusing its Messages efforts on the final version it plans to include with OS X Mountain Lion.

Article Link: Apple Removes Links to Messages Beta for OS X Lion, Still Available via Direct Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/apple-removes-links-to-messages-beta-for-os-x-lion-still-available-via-direct-link/)



norrismantooth
Jun 12, 2012, 10:46 AM
After using Messages Beta for a week, I ended up uninstalling it. Kept getting a red badge "1" on the dock icon that wouldn't go away.

TimUSCA
Jun 12, 2012, 10:51 AM
After using Messages Beta for a week, I ended up uninstalling it. Kept getting a red badge "1" on the dock icon that wouldn't go away.

This happens for everyone. But I like it too much to justify uninstalling it. I agree, however, the badge is annoying.

chainprayer
Jun 12, 2012, 10:53 AM
:apple: Buy Apple "I'm a mac" T-Shirts here :apple:
:apple:

Reported to Zazzle

Apple Key
Jun 12, 2012, 10:53 AM
I've encountered some weird quirks too. Overall, I like it a lot. I've been using it as a replacement for Yahoo! since the day it was released in Beta.

The only feature that I really miss is the ellipses when someone is in the middle of typing. I wish that worked with Yahoo!.

foodog
Jun 12, 2012, 10:56 AM
GET YOUR MAC MERCHANDISE HERE!!

:apple: Buy Apple "I'm a mac" T-Shirts here :apple:
:apple:

Guess where I think you should stick your MERCHANDISE!!!

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I've encountered some weird quirks too. Overall, I like it a lot. I've been using it as a replacement for Yahoo! since the day it was released in Beta.

The only feature that I really miss is the ellipses when someone is in the middle of typing. I wish that worked with Yahoo!.

I liked the concept... it is terrible at staying synced.

ladeer
Jun 12, 2012, 10:56 AM
I downloaded it yesterday then my computer just broke. The spotlight search no longer came up with any result. System extremely slow even the graphic refresh with like 2fps (browser). I can see the graphic loading pause then resume as the system pauses. FaceTime camera not working in any app. I was shocked. Immediately uninstalled and all was fine again.

(2011 MBP 15 inch 8gb 256gb SSD, lion)

neoelectronaut
Jun 12, 2012, 10:58 AM
Stinks that the Beta will be inoperative eventually, because my girlfriend's Mac Mini won't be able to update to Mountain Lion and she's getting alot of use out of Messages.

Cougarcat
Jun 12, 2012, 11:01 AM
Stinks that the Beta will be inoperative eventually, because my girlfriend's Mac Mini won't be able to update to Mountain Lion and she's getting alot of use out of Messages.

I bet they charge .99 for it and put it on the MAS, like facetime.

lifeinhd
Jun 12, 2012, 11:07 AM
I bet they charge .99 for it and put it on the MAS, like facetime.

I bet they don't because they'd rather you spend $20 for a new OS (or better, $2k for a new machine).

mrkgoo
Jun 12, 2012, 11:11 AM
I love iMessage. It's a game changer. While it had a few hiccups early on, of late, it has been working flawlessly.

I,ve been keeping in touch with a lot of people so much more easily than with other chat clients. Not having to login or know others details is a small step, but it does wonders for reducing friction.

I REALLY hope it hangs around for Lion users.

verniesgarden
Jun 12, 2012, 11:15 AM
I bet they charge .99 for it and put it on the MAS, like facetime.

it would be worth every one of those pennies for use with macs not making the cut for mLion but still good machines

jroadley
Jun 12, 2012, 11:16 AM
Had real issues with the Beta of Messages.

Anyone trying to send me a message was getting a not delivered from their iOS device.

Happened twice (Only after I rebooted my iMac - which isn't very often) and went away after uninstalling Messages.

But as people have said - its great carrying on those messages on a physical keyboard.

Skika
Jun 12, 2012, 11:18 AM
Not strictly related but are there any major differences between machines that are supported for Lion and Mountain Lion? I thought the same machines were supported for both.

Glumpfner
Jun 12, 2012, 11:18 AM
I'm looking forward to the day when Apple (just to rub it into Microsofts face) decides to sell their next MacOS for 99 cent.

BigDukeSix
Jun 12, 2012, 11:23 AM
I have it on my MacBook and like it. I would love it if it remained available for Lion, however I do intend to upgrade to ML eventually.

Undecided
Jun 12, 2012, 11:31 AM
When I started using this, I had thought all conversations would be mirrored across iOS and Mac devices, but it turns out not to be. Instead, I had split conversations, where I would use Messages on my Mac to send a message, and the reply would be on my iPhone. And the same would happen on the other end, where conversations would appear on their iPhone but not on their iPad.

I gather the issue is that Messages on the Mac can't be associated with a phone number? Is that right? And that this will be changed in Mountain Lion?

cms2
Jun 12, 2012, 11:32 AM
I liked the theory behind Messages, and the way it was presented. However, in use instead of simplifying instant messaging it has added a layer of complication. Now, if I send an iMessage from my phone to a person, and then switch to messaging from my mac, it doesn't just show up in one stream as advertised; it comes from a separate account. Inevitably I receive back something along the lines of "weird, that last message from you said it came from ******@me.com" Then if I switch back to my phone, obviously it comes from my phone. So I guess it's unified on my end, in Messages, but completely disparate on the receiver's end.

I guess I'm just looking for the day when it's Bob --> Sally instead of Bob (bob@me.com, bob@gmail.com, or 555.555.5555) --> Sally (Sally@me.com, sally@yahoo.com, etc...)

KylePowers
Jun 12, 2012, 11:44 AM
I liked the theory behind Messages, and the way it was presented. However, in use instead of simplifying instant messaging it has added a layer of complication. Now, if I send an iMessage from my phone to a person, and then switch to messaging from my mac, it doesn't just show up in one stream as advertised; it comes from a separate account. Inevitably I receive back something along the lines of "weird, that last message from you said it came from ******@me.com" Then if I switch back to my phone, obviously it comes from my phone. So I guess it's unified on my end, in Messages, but completely disparate on the receiver's end.

I guess I'm just looking for the day when it's Bob --> Sally instead of Bob (bob@me.com, bob@gmail.com, or 555.555.5555) --> Sally (Sally@me.com, sally@yahoo.com, etc...)
This is going to be fixed in iOS 6 (http://www.cultofmac.com/172969/ios-6-finally-unifies-your-phone-number-and-apple-id-for-imessage-and-facetime/), but for now the best solution is to have the person you're speaking with iMessage you at the email address associated with your iCloud account (aka your Apple ID). Assuming you have it setup on your phone (General -> Messages -> Receive at -> Add Apple ID as 2nd email address), it'll get pushed to all your devices (iPhone, iPad, MBA, MBP, iMac, etc) and everything will work as it should

Fattytail
Jun 12, 2012, 11:47 AM
I liked the theory behind Messages, and the way it was presented. However, in use instead of simplifying instant messaging it has added a layer of complication. Now, if I send an iMessage from my phone to a person, and then switch to messaging from my mac, it doesn't just show up in one stream as advertised; it comes from a separate account. Inevitably I receive back something along the lines of "weird, that last message from you said it came from ******@me.com" Then if I switch back to my phone, obviously it comes from my phone. So I guess it's unified on my end, in Messages, but completely disparate on the receiver's end.

I guess I'm just looking for the day when it's Bob --> Sally instead of Bob (bob@me.com, bob@gmail.com, or 555.555.5555) --> Sally (Sally@me.com, sally@yahoo.com, etc...)

Mountain Lion unifies your Apple ID and phone number, so this problem should go away soon. I agree it's sort of a pain now.

That said, Messages on my Mac is excellent. Getting a ton of use out of it with family and friends. I love how conversations are saved on my Mac automatically. Don't have to worry about losing a copy of my conversations on my iPhone.

cms2
Jun 12, 2012, 11:49 AM
This is going to be fixed in iOS 6 (http://www.cultofmac.com/172969/ios-6-finally-unifies-your-phone-number-and-apple-id-for-imessage-and-facetime/), but for now the best solution is to have the person you're speaking with iMessage you at the email address associated with your iCloud account (aka your Apple ID). Assuming you have it setup on your phone (General -> Messages -> Receive at -> Add Apple ID as 2nd email address), it'll get pushed to all your devices (iPhone, iPad, MBA, MBP, iMac, etc).

Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification! I've been pretty disappointed with how complicated things have become with separate accounts for iTunes, iCloud, Messages, etc. The solution in the story you linked seems a lot more apple-like; why should I have to worry about defragging my accounts any more than I have to worry about defragging my hard drive?

CptnJustc
Jun 12, 2012, 11:57 AM
This happens for everyone. But I like it too much to justify uninstalling it. I agree, however, the badge is annoying.

Ditto. That annoyed the hell out of me, but it hasn't happened in a good while now. Did they finally implement a server-side fix, or is it still happening for you folks?

Even with that, it was too useful to abandon.

Xavier
Jun 12, 2012, 11:59 AM
Do you think the real version (not beta) will be available for direct download? I wanted to wait on Mountain Lion but I use iMessage a lot. The beta is buggy as hell.

Kilamite
Jun 12, 2012, 11:59 AM
Looking forward to actual release - the joining of the phone number and Apple ID as one entity has been something I've been after for ages! No more dual conversations from different devices etc.

Also looking forward to my Messages app icon not telling me I have one unread message. Been like that since day 1.

Canubis
Jun 12, 2012, 12:09 PM
For adding "just another" chat service - namely their own iMessage service - and doing a little facelift over iChat, the Messages app was extremely buggy for me. Still having it installed for having the benefit of sending iMessages but actually don't like how it feels and works. Hope they get it right for the final version…

50548
Jun 12, 2012, 12:09 PM
After using Messages Beta for a week, I ended up uninstalling it. Kept getting a red badge "1" on the dock icon that wouldn't go away.

The worst bug in iMessages was this nasty problem that ended up eating ALL available boot disk space, as widely reported in the Apple Support Forums.

Once this happened to me, I uninstalled the beta release and got back to iChat with no problems so far. Hope this is sorted out before official release in July.

indiekiduk
Jun 12, 2012, 12:10 PM
A couple of days ago Messages stopped working for me. It took forever to launch and when the window finally appeared all my old messages dissapeared. Just assumed the beta period was over.

bushido
Jun 12, 2012, 12:33 PM
Mountain Lion unifies your Apple ID and phone number, so this problem should go away soon. I agree it's sort of a pain now.


i dont understand why anyone would want those messages to show up on each device anyway, its so annoying. let's say you are currently on your mac book, why would i want those messages to also appear on my iPad and iPhone. i'd get sick of every device beeping or lighting up every few seconds one after another. i actually set up multiple email accounts so i can be reached on each device separately.

its already driving me crazy with facebook, i'm on my mac and my ipad and iphone just wont s**** up

Cougarcat
Jun 12, 2012, 12:40 PM
I bet they don't because they'd rather you spend $20 for a new OS (or better, $2k for a new machine).

Then why did they do the same with FaceTime?

Apple isn't stupid; they know that a communications protocol is more useful the more ubiquitous it is.

I doubt very much they care about ML profits. If they did, it would be priced at the previous $30 or higher. That's not where they make their money.

MacFan782040
Jun 12, 2012, 12:54 PM
Correct me if I am wrong... but are there 3 Mac messaging services from Apple?

1. iChat
2. Messages
3. Facetime

If they are doing away with iChat, and only having messages installed on new Macs, then how do we video chat Mac to Mac?

Does Messages replace iChat? Was Facetime built in to Messages? Can we share screens?

Summersify
Jun 12, 2012, 01:09 PM
I liked the theory behind Messages, and the way it was presented. However, in use instead of simplifying instant messaging it has added a layer of complication. Now, if I send an iMessage from my phone to a person, and then switch to messaging from my mac, it doesn't just show up in one stream as advertised; it comes from a separate account. Inevitably I receive back something along the lines of "weird, that last message from you said it came from ******@me.com" Then if I switch back to my phone, obviously it comes from my phone. So I guess it's unified on my end, in Messages, but completely disparate on the receiver's end.

I guess I'm just looking for the day when it's Bob --> Sally instead of Bob (bob@me.com, bob@gmail.com, or 555.555.5555) --> Sally (Sally@me.com, sally@yahoo.com, etc...)

That's been fixed in iOS 6/Mountain Lion. Apple covered that yesterday :)

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see that others had got there before me :D

BornAgainMac
Jun 12, 2012, 01:10 PM
Correct me if I am wrong... but are there 3 Mac messaging services from Apple?

1. iChat
2. Messages
3. Facetime

If they are doing away with iChat, and only having messages installed on new Macs, then how do we video chat Mac to Mac?

Does Messages replace iChat? Was Facetime built in to Messages? Can we share screens?

Some things work like Share screens, chat / video from Mac to Mac. What I assume is missing is having a video chat with up to 3 people at the same time (iChat), 9 people with audio chat (iChat), and the present mode (iChat), and having backgrounds (iChat). Anyone confirm those features are now gone?

NAG
Jun 12, 2012, 01:20 PM
Some things work like Share screens, chat / video from Mac to Mac. What I assume is missing is having a video chat with up to 3 people at the same time (iChat), 9 people with audio chat (iChat), and the present mode (iChat), and having backgrounds (iChat). Anyone confirm those features are now gone?

Messages is just iChat with a new UI and iMessage functionality. (Also, iChat isn't an Apple service, but rather the name of the chat client before they changed the name.)

cms2
Jun 12, 2012, 01:43 PM
That's been fixed in iOS 6/Mountain Lion. Apple covered that yesterday :)

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see that others had got there before me :D

No worries about others beating you; there are worse things than a forum with multiple people attempting to help a fellow user resulting in some overlap. :) As for apple covering it, I must have missed that; I was at work so I could only occasionally check the MR feed. Haven't gotten to watching the video from Apple yet.

In any case, I'm glad to see Apple is already addressing my concern.

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i dont understand why anyone would want those messages to show up on each device anyway, its so annoying. let's say you are currently on your mac book, why would i want those messages to also appear on my iPad and iPhone. i'd get sick of every device beeping or lighting up every few seconds one after another. i actually set up multiple email accounts so i can be reached on each device separately.

its already driving me crazy with facebook, i'm on my mac and my ipad and iphone just wont s**** up

I see what you're getting at, but I disagree; I look forward to the day where each device is just a portal onto the same computing experience; where it doesn't matter if you happen to use your phone, your desktop, whatever, because it all reflects the same content exactly as you left it. It's obviously where Apple (and others) are headed, but of course there are bumps along the way.

JST
Jun 12, 2012, 02:37 PM
I'm looking forward to the day when Apple (just to rub it into Microsofts face) decides to sell their next MacOS for 99 cent.

You obviously don't understand the difference between making money on hardware or software.

For your clarification:
Apple only allows their OS to run on Apple made hardware. Therefore they are making tons of money on the hardware side. Technically, they could give the OS away for free and still make enough money.

MS is only selling software which means that they have to make all their money by selling software... So, there is no option for them to sell their OS for a low price... On the plus side they typically don't force their users to upgrade to a new OS by claiming that new add-on applications can only run on the new OS even though it has been beta-tested on the current OS...

Navdakilla
Jun 12, 2012, 02:55 PM
One thing that I really hate about iMessage is that (I'm Canada), when I message someone in the states, if it goes through as iMessage then I'm okay. If not then it will go through as a regular text and that will charge me long distance. I know there is a feature that you can turn it off, but that will apply for all my messages, I just want it to apply for my out of country friends. Any help?

darkslide29
Jun 12, 2012, 03:04 PM
Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification! I've been pretty disappointed with how complicated things have become with separate accounts for iTunes, iCloud, Messages, etc. The solution in the story you linked seems a lot more apple-like; why should I have to worry about defragging my accounts any more than I have to worry about defragging my hard drive?

Not sure if this was mentioned earlier to you, but in your phone settings also be sure to set the iMessage called ID as your email address, instead of your phone number. It helps make sure their replies go to everything, and not just your phone.

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One thing that I really hate about iMessage is that (I'm Canada), when I message someone in the states, if it goes through as iMessage then I'm okay. If not then it will go through as a regular text and that will charge me long distance. I know there is a feature that you can turn it off, but that will apply for all my messages, I just want it to apply for my out of country friends. Any help?

Just turn it off and leave it off. At worst, it fails to send and you get the little red exclamation that it failed. So then, press it again to re-send the message, and it will eventually go through.
It's not that big of an inconvenience to just wait to make sure it's delivered.

newagemac
Jun 12, 2012, 03:18 PM
When I started using this, I had thought all conversations would be mirrored across iOS and Mac devices, but it turns out not to be. Instead, I had split conversations, where I would use Messages on my Mac to send a message, and the reply would be on my iPhone. And the same would happen on the other end, where conversations would appear on their iPhone but not on their iPad.

I gather the issue is that Messages on the Mac can't be associated with a phone number? Is that right? And that this will be changed in Mountain Lion?

They mentioned in the keynote that phone numbers will be associated with your apple ID in both FaceTime and iMessage in Mountain Lion.

SmittS
Jun 12, 2012, 07:29 PM
Somehow I completely missed the Messages beta. When I try to install using the direct link, I get a checksum error. Doh!

macosxuser01
Jun 13, 2012, 12:34 AM
how do you uninstalled Messages beta? I tried dragging the application into the trash bin but then it saids "“Messages” can’t be modified or deleted because it’s required by Mac OS X."

I used to use it but then I hated when my friends would receive it by my email address and not by my contact name. I can't wait till iOS 6 fixes this problem

jailwut wunnow
Jun 13, 2012, 01:15 AM
Open Messages. Click on Messages (in title bar)>Uninstall

lifeinhd
Jun 13, 2012, 08:16 AM
Then why did they do the same with FaceTime?

Apple isn't stupid; they know that a communications protocol is more useful the more ubiquitous it is.

I doubt very much they care about ML profits. If they did, it would be priced at the previous $30 or higher. That's not where they make their money.

Right, as I said, they'd rather you buy $2k machines every 2-3 years, since the cost of the OS development is baked into the price of the hardware. TBH, I'm surprised it's not free already. Once it goes free, 100% of people will stop torrenting it, and Apple will be able to claim they signed up another 2 million users on the MAS.

JAF1
Jun 13, 2012, 02:25 PM
Shortly after this week's Apple Keynote address, Messages stopped working from my mac, also in sync with Apple no longer promoting the beta. Does anyone have info that suggests Apple has shut the service down?

jailwut wunnow
Jun 13, 2012, 09:44 PM
Yesterday messages on my mac was out of sync with my iPad & iPod and even between my 2 idevices. All of todays conversations are in sync across all 3 devices. And I haven't had any of the problems that everyone else is describing.

danahn17
Jun 13, 2012, 09:59 PM
Despite the bugs and all, I'm a big fan of the Messages app. I hope they'll allow us to purchase it on the App Store even if we don't upgrade to Mountain Lion immediately.

Shortly after this week's Apple Keynote address, Messages stopped working from my mac, also in sync with Apple no longer promoting the beta. Does anyone have info that suggests Apple has shut the service down?

I just used the program today... no problems.

aajeev
Jun 21, 2012, 10:02 AM
Shortly after this week's Apple Keynote address, Messages stopped working from my mac, also in sync with Apple no longer promoting the beta. Does anyone have info that suggests Apple has shut the service down?

Same for me, all my previous conversation on the Message disappeared, and when I tried to force it to send to people with iMessage it won't give me the option. However, I just checked with a Friend and his Message is working just fine.

Yea, I'm also a huge fan of Message, considering most of my friends/family are now using an iPhone it's so easy to just have conversation on the computer without having to look at my iPhone every time something message me.

Update: Did a reinstall and it looks like everything is back to normal. It even has all my old conversations.

ayzee
Jul 8, 2012, 09:29 AM
I find iMessages great for sending stuff from my advices to the mac. Just upgraded to a new mac and used migration assistant to transfer, and it decided not to transfer over iMessages! luckily this direct link still works. Cant wait for MLion

I WAS the one
Dec 17, 2012, 08:56 AM
I downloaded it! and BAM!
http://grab.by/imi0
Apple is doing this for every dmg they don't want you to use.
I used to have all my paid apps (including Adobe on an external HD and suddenly this weird message pop up since upgrading to ML.
So, I was forced to use the original DVDs to install them again but hey! I don't want to buya an external optical drive just for a couple of apps. this is getting SICK!