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skubish
Jul 18, 2005, 05:41 PM
I am really PO'ed that they haven't released the firmware update for the 3G iPods yet. I want to be able to upload podcasts to my iPod. It really sucks that my 3G iPod is no longer supported by Apple and it is only 15 months old. This makes me really hesistant to pull the trigger on buying a new Mac.



iMeowbot
Jul 18, 2005, 06:09 PM
iTunes can transfer podcasts to 3G iPods just fine, and 3G iPods can play them just fine.

wbsmith89
Jul 18, 2005, 06:23 PM
he's talking about podcast capabilities for the 3G, which I too am very annoyed about.

iMeowbot
Jul 18, 2005, 06:42 PM
I know that the click wheel models pushed podcasts into a separate menu, but what is the problem with navigating by "artist" and track? It works fine here.

The processor in the 3G and earlier iPods really does have memory limitations because of the way its cache works. It really is possible that Apple can't stuff more into the menus without running into skipping/pausing problems (the limit before that becomes a problem is a mere 96K).

hob
Jul 18, 2005, 06:59 PM
I know that the click wheel models pushed podcasts into a separate menu, but what is the problem with navigating by "artist" and track? It works fine here.

The processor in the 3G and earlier iPods really does have memory limitations because of the way its cache works. It really is possible that Apple can't stuff more into the menus without running into skipping/pausing problems (the limit before that becomes a problem is a mere 96K).
Interesting.... they managed to release an update a few months ago that added the "shuffle songs" and "music" options to the menu, I'm still hoping they'll add "podcast" at some point.

Skubish: it's an iPod. A consumer electronics device. It's not a computer. One should not affect the other in your purchasing decisions. Although it does.

iMeowbot
Jul 18, 2005, 07:17 PM
Interesting.... they managed to release an update a few months ago that added the "shuffle songs" and "music" options to the menu, I'm still hoping they'll add "podcast" at some point.
It would be nice, but I have the suspicion that it may be a Hard Problem, especially given the lag time in getting those menus crammed into the older units (it wasn't a long enough delay, or even a big enough feature, to prompt people into buying newer equipment).

That Apple went to the trouble to implement a separate download method in iTunes for the older iPod models, one that isn't supported on click wheel models, suggests that the problem may have been too hard to solve.

wbsmith89
Jul 18, 2005, 08:05 PM
That Apple went to the trouble to implement a separate download method in iTunes for the older iPod models, one that isn't supported on click wheel models, suggests that the problem may have been too hard to solve.

or that they wanted to make sure they still supported 4G owners that havent updated to the latest software yet (the 4G does the playlist thing too if you haven't upgraded)...

hob
Jul 18, 2005, 08:18 PM
or that they wanted to make sure they still supported 4G owners that havent updated to the latest software yet (the 4G does the playlist thing too if you haven't upgraded)...
Good point! I hadn't considered that.

Westside guy
Jul 18, 2005, 08:37 PM
I'm a little confused - I've got a 3G iPod, and I've got a Podcast playlist that's generated by subscribing to podcasts through iTunes. What exactly is it I'm missing?

wwooden
Jul 18, 2005, 08:48 PM
I'm a little confused - I've got a 3G iPod, and I've got a Podcast playlist that's generated by subscribing to podcasts through iTunes. What exactly is it I'm missing?

Basically, when you click on music, there are the usual artist, album, songs, and then they added Podcasts. It's really not that big of a deal.

iMeowbot
Jul 18, 2005, 08:55 PM
I'm a little confused - I've got a 3G iPod, and I've got a Podcast playlist that's generated by subscribing to podcasts through iTunes. What exactly is it I'm missing?
A separate menu for podcasts, and bookmarking them.

skubish
Jul 18, 2005, 09:39 PM
My mistake. I guess it wasn't clear to me that you could just download the podcasts like regular songs. I though you needed the firmware update. I guess I should have tried it first. It still would be nice to have the podcast option in the menu though.

I am happy to listen to podcasts now :D

Thanks all

Whyren
Jul 18, 2005, 09:43 PM
Welcome to the world of the last-generation iPod users. ;)

2nd gen. owner

tomjleeds
Jul 19, 2005, 06:43 AM
People seem to have forgotten that the 3G iPod is no longer sold by Apple - it hasn't been for about a year now. Why should they spend the time to develop an update?

Veldek
Jul 19, 2005, 07:05 AM
People seem to have forgotten that the 3G iPod is no longer sold by Apple - it hasn't been for about a year now. Why should they spend the time to develop an update?Huh, do you want to say that Apple should only support current products? And as soon as one product isn't sold anymore, it shouldn't be supported anymore either?

This would even mean end of support for PPC Macs soon. I don't think Apple can survive doing this.

Diatribe
Jul 19, 2005, 07:07 AM
Huh, do you want to say that Apple should only support current products? And as soon as one product isn't sold anymore, it shouldn't be supported anymore either?

This would even mean end of support for PPC Macs soon. I don't think Apple can survive doing this.

The thing is that it is NOT a computer. Name me one cell phone maufacturer that still releases firmware upgrades for last year's models...

skubish
Jul 19, 2005, 07:11 AM
People seem to have forgotten that the 3G iPod is no longer sold by Apple - it hasn't been for about a year now. Why should they spend the time to develop an update?

Umm because I paid for the iPod. Apple is under no obligation to provide updates but I may look elsewhere in the future. Part of what makes iPod cool is all the updates and the iTMS integration without that it is just another mp3 player.

If a company has a history of orphaning their products as soon as you buy them, I won't do business with that company. I don't think it is a lot to ask for updates for 1 year or so after the 4G came out.

Don't get me wrong, I like Apple...I just don't drink the cool-aid.

Veldek
Jul 19, 2005, 07:51 AM
The thing is that it is NOT a computer. Name me one cell phone maufacturer that still releases firmware upgrades for last year's models...There are firmware upgrades for cell phones?

But you have a point. If there are new functions in a new model, this doesn't mean the company has to put them into the old models. I agree.

Diatribe
Jul 19, 2005, 07:56 AM
There are firmware upgrades for cell phones?

But you have a point. If there are new functions in a new model, this doesn't mean the company has to put them into the old models. I agree.

Yes, there are but you can apply that to anything. Stereo-receivers, cell phones, wireless routers, etc.
As soon as there is a new model out the firmware support for the old one gets cut. That's the way it is. I know people expect more from Apple than any other company but this is just the way it works.
And it has been over a year... and it's not even that they don't play podcasts, so I don't really understand the whining. (Not you Veldek, just saying in general) :)

Westside guy
Jul 19, 2005, 10:59 AM
A separate menu for podcasts, and bookmarking them.

Thanks - I guess I can see why some people would care, but to me this basically doesn't matter in the least. When I initially subscribed to a few podcasts a "Podcast" playlist was automatically created on my 3G, and that's pretty much how I expected/hoped it would work (since basically that's how I think of podcasts - a narrowly-defined playlist category).

urge
Jul 20, 2005, 04:57 PM
I'm sure it will be coming. look how long it took to get shuffle option on the main menu on the 3g

CubaTBird
Jul 20, 2005, 06:53 PM
i still know a ton of people that think the first ipods were the 3g's... when they see those older ones from 01' they freak and say "no way dude" hehe :o

AdamZ
Jul 20, 2005, 08:27 PM
Like you guys I was totaly pissed off that Apple didn't update Podcast support across the entire line of iPods. I have a 1st gen iPod that I bought shortly after release that is still actually working well. Anyway, I looked over the particular update for my iPod and it was still the same number release, with no change. So pissed! I tried to sync Podcasts anyway, and it froze during the first one. So I turned off Podcast Syncing and sat around pissed off for a week or so. I mean Podcasts are kinda lame at home to listen to. There not like music that plays in the backround. You actually have to concentrate on listening to them, and seem to be best suited for the car or on our iPods. Podcasts totally fill that viod from being your own music DJ, to wanting to listen to Talk Radio with no radio. So anyway, last week I just said screw it and tried it again. I was enjoying the content Podcasts deliver, but they didn't fit into my home schedule. And wouldn't you know it.....it WORKS!! I am not sure what happened, I didn't do anything different then last time, except maybe a reset of my iPodat some point during that stretch of time, but it works great. Perhaps someone else could weigh in on where the Podcast list appears on 4th gen iPods, but on mine it now appears in the Playlist menu under Music. It will even recognize that I listened to a Podcast, and subsequently erase it from iTunes (I have Keep: all unplayed episodes activated) So I would suggest to all that if you haven't allready tried it, do so. Or try again. Not quite sure how this came to pass but I am extremly happy 'bout it. Apple is brilliant to allow Podcasts on iPods, I can consume much more content when away from the disturbances of home.

StealthRider
Jul 22, 2005, 08:16 PM
i still know a ton of people that think the first ipods were the 3g's... when they see those older ones from 01' they freak and say "no way dude" hehe :o

Yeah I still pull out my old 1G 5GB every so often for that very reason...it's kinda like being in an elite club within a once-elite club. "I had one before they were cool!!!"

aquajet
Jul 22, 2005, 08:46 PM
People seem to have forgotten that the 3G iPod is no longer sold by Apple - it hasn't been for about a year now. Why should they spend the time to develop an update?

Oh please, come on now...It's not like I'm asking for an update on my Mac Plus! :rolleyes:

aquajet
Jul 22, 2005, 08:47 PM
The thing is that it is NOT a computer. Name me one cell phone maufacturer that still releases firmware upgrades for last year's models...

Yes it is.

Diatribe
Jul 23, 2005, 01:15 AM
Yes it is.

Are you trying to be sarcastic? By your standards a cell phone is one too huh?
Whatever, just get over it.

steve_hill4
Jul 23, 2005, 06:27 AM
Both contain some form of processor, but whether they are computers or not are open to debate. Apple should be releasing updates for the models at least a year after production ceases, but important updates to iTunes, (like Podcasting), should see updates on the older models too.

aquajet
Jul 23, 2005, 11:43 AM
Are you trying to be sarcastic? By your standards a cell phone is one too huh?
Whatever, just get over it.

No, I wasn't. But now I am...go look in the dictionary genius. Both devices meet the definition of a computer. :rolleyes:

computer |kəmˈpyoōtər| noun an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program. a person who makes calculations, esp. with a calculating machine.

Diatribe
Jul 23, 2005, 01:34 PM
No, I wasn't. But now I am...go look in the dictionary genius. Both devices meet the definition of a computer. :rolleyes:

computer |k?m?pyo?t?r| noun an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program. a person who makes calculations, esp. with a calculating machine.

I guess then we need a new definition. One that actually distinguishes between a computer and consumer electronics that happen to use a processor. By that definition a microwave would be a computer too. See how ridiculous this gets...? :)