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fuzion11
Jun 14, 2012, 08:14 AM
Now that Siri can give out sport information, such as scores or player stats, even schedules, I wonder what the next big thing she'll be able to do is?

I was thinking last night and thought it was odd that Apple wouldn't give Siri the capability of giving music industry stats, and or info...like, where is the next Foo Fighters concert? Or how many albums did Metallica sell with their last album?

Why wouldn't Apple have done this first before sports? Is it because there is just too many factors involved, too much info? Or do you think it'll be introduced in iOS7 or so?

My other question is (and I hope this turns into a multi page convo, because it would be interesting to learn what people want the most from Siri) what catalogue of info do you want to have at your finger tips from Siri? Would it be history, business questions?

Mad Mac Maniac
Jun 14, 2012, 08:44 AM
Why wouldn't Apple have done this first before sports? Is it because there is just too many factors involved, too much info?

Yes, probably too much information and gathered in a less unified fashion than sports. Also, people check sports scores a heck of a lot more than concert dates.

Regarding a specific catalogue of information... I dunno I don't really have one specific thing. Just a general breath of information

Her next big thing will be her jump to the Mac. But as she makes her way to the Mac, I think it'll be important for her to not only accept verbal commands. She needs a text box, invoked easily (like spotlight). This is because there are a lot of circumstances where you don't want to speak into your computer (in an office, in a coffee shop, around friends/family, in a noisy location) and it's easy to just type on your laptop.

Gjwilly
Jun 14, 2012, 08:50 AM
Siri's next big step had better be actually controlling the device (turn off Wifi, decrease brightness, etc.).
Anything short of this will remain a disappointment.

profets
Jun 14, 2012, 08:53 AM
Siri's next big step had better be actually controlling the device (turn off Wifi, decrease brightness, etc.).
Anything short of this will remain a disappointment.

Yeah I wouldn't mind more device interaction type of support.

sammich
Jun 14, 2012, 09:08 AM
Siri will need some sort of continuous feedback feature. By that I mean it won't have to wait until you finish speaking before acting on something. The simplest example is dictation, where the words you speak are transcribed live into text as you speak it (obviously with a second or two of lag). Some things just don't work well with the current whole command, wait, action setup.

Continuous listening will be the next feature with something ridiculous like eye tracking. I don't think this will ever make it past concept, but I imagine in Safari you would could tell it to scroll down, open links near where you're looking (with maybe some neat confirmation if links are too close to tell apart, like perhaps a zoom, or special 'visual handles' that direct you to look here for this particular action'). You could say, open 'macrumors', or 'add this page to my reading list', or 'bookmark this page', or 'zoom to where I'm looking'.

Or in iBooks, you could say 'next page'.

Dunno, just spit-balling here. :)

JayX
Jun 14, 2012, 09:14 AM
I would like it if Siri took over the answer service of the phone, you could introduce IVR and other features that are more useful than just simply leaving a message.

Also, if the person calling you deals with Siri and it's a good experience, it's pretty much a free advert for the iPhone there and then.

RoboCop001
Jun 14, 2012, 09:30 AM
Yes, probably too much information and gathered in a less unified fashion than sports. Also, people check sports scores a heck of a lot more than concert dates.

Regarding a specific catalogue of information... I dunno I don't really have one specific thing. Just a general breath of information

Her next big thing will be her jump to the Mac. But as she makes her way to the Mac, I think it'll be important for her to not only accept verbal commands. She needs a text box, invoked easily (like spotlight). This is because there are a lot of circumstances where you don't want to speak into your computer (in an office, in a coffee shop, around friends/family, in a noisy location) and it's easy to just type on your laptop.

I like your text input option idea. Sounds like a perfect addition to Siri on a Mac. Especially, as you say, in an office situation.

I suppose it's inevitable that someone will try to cyber with Siri hahaha...

Mad Mac Maniac
Jun 14, 2012, 09:30 AM
Continuous listening will be the next feature with something ridiculous like eye tracking. I don't think this will ever make it past concept, but I imagine in Safari you would could tell it to scroll down, open links near where you're looking (with maybe some neat confirmation if links are too close to tell apart, like perhaps a zoom, or special 'visual handles' that direct you to look here for this particular action'). You could say, open 'macrumors', or 'add this page to my reading list', or 'bookmark this page', or 'zoom to where I'm looking'.

Or in iBooks, you could say 'next page'.

Dunno, just spit-balling here. :)

Lol. "next page"? Some people might accuse you of being lazy if you do that. :p I agree there could be some use case for this, but it's pretty small.

I like the concept of continuous listening, but also you don't want siri to start doing stuff when you say something to your friend, spouse, child/parent. Maybe you would have to start with the word "siri" to activate her.

I think where continuous listening would be even more adventageous is after you activate her, but are waiting for her to finish talking and send the next beep. She is a bit talkative, which is understandable as she's still not super accurate and people are still learning how to use her. But it would be nice if you could interrupt her while she's talking (and maybe you can if you push the siri button, but it would be good if you could just talk).

fuzion11
Jun 14, 2012, 10:26 AM
Great idea with hopefully in the future being able to type in text, instead of always having to talk to her...as you said this would be useful in the mall or somewhere loud...or when you want no one else to hear your question.

I wish I could alter the time it takes for Siri to stop listening...sometimes, I stumble on my words and have to think for a second before continuing...of course Siri takes this as I'm done talking and then does her searching. I would like a 8 second wait after I become silent for her to start doing her thing.

So what else guys/gals...

I asked her this morning..."when did Hitler die" and she came up with a lot of great info...even the day light savings details of that day. I'm a huge history buff, so that's super neat for me!

monkeylui
Jun 14, 2012, 10:29 AM
I don't care for sports. So this was a non-issue for me. How about game of thrones character stats come up. Lol. Kidding.

I was more hoping for some quick settings. Now that we know they can do more with the notification center, why not add this. I'm so tired of not having this.

Brenz
Jun 14, 2012, 10:32 AM
Next Siri really needs to become global. Ok so Siri now knows about basketball and baseball but these are not very popular sports here in the UK and Siri knows nothing about Football from what I can tell.

Using Yelp was a nice idea but again over here Yelp is practically unheard of and when I actually looked at their data for around me it was all incorrect, according to Yelp my house is a McDonalds and a Pub and Siri is also unable to provide cinema listings for the UK as well which is a real shame.

RoboCop001
Jun 14, 2012, 10:35 AM
Next Siri really needs to become global. Ok so Siri now knows about basketball and baseball but these are not very popular sports here in the UK and Siri knows nothing about Football from what I can tell.


I forget where I read it, could be Apple's website, but I saw "Soccer" on there. I suppose as long as you call it "Soccer" she'll know what you mean lol. Although, in the UK, it might accept "Football."

Can anyone confirm?

I definitely didn't see Cricket on there though. So Cricket fans miss out. For now.

EDIT:
Yup, football/soccer is confirmed: "Sports fan? Siri knows baseball, basketball, football, soccer, and hockey."
From http://www.apple.com/ca/ios/ios6/siri/

I'm hoping that at least in the UK it'll accept "football" to mean the same as "soccer." If only everyone just called it football.

nuckinfutz
Jun 14, 2012, 10:36 AM
Sports was a natural inclusion for Siri as well as the movie information because there are very mature companies with great database of sports.

Siri is designed to plug in new data models so concerts and other things are almost infinitely possible but the devil is in the details.

I think Apple is working on increasing responsiveness and preparing for a much larger load of Siri users with the iPad joining the fray with iOS 6.

The biggest thing that has happened though isn't Sports scores it's the huge amount of localized language support coming. Anyone who's learned a new language can attest to how difficult it is to switch gears here and Siri not only switches gears but also tunes for how Chinese is spoken in Tawain versus mainland China or how Spanish sounds in Espana versus Mexico. That's damn impressive!

I think by "version 3" which means next year at WWDC Developers will get invited to the party. Siri is an ambitious project.

pdjudd
Jun 14, 2012, 10:39 AM
Siri knows nothing about Football from what I can tell.

It does. Craig specifically mentioned Soccer (which is what I assume you are talking about). Cite (http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6/siri/)

fuzion11
Jun 14, 2012, 10:44 AM
It does. Craig specifically mentioned Soccer (which is what I assume you are talking about). Cite (http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6/siri/)

I asked what was the score in the Euro Cup game of Germany yesterday and it had no idea what euro cup meant! haha

Love the Game of Thrones idea! hahaha

Brenz
Jun 14, 2012, 10:48 AM
It does. Craig specifically mentioned Soccer (which is what I assume you are talking about). Cite (http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6/siri/)

Ah yes it does seem to have some football knowledge but annoyingly it doesn't seem to know anything about Euro 2012.

misterquin
Jun 14, 2012, 10:53 AM
Apple continuously describes Siri as being in "beta" form currently. Though hopefully iOS 6 will be the end of that phase.

As for specific commands like you listed, it's likely more complex than retrieving sports info. When you ask a question, Siri is obviously accessing some sort of database to retrieve the information and perhaps there isn't one readily available that includes such information. Just a guess, though. I would love to see those sorts of improvements implemented. Siri is hardly useful when you have to wonder "Will Siri understand this?" before asking something.

Mad Mac Maniac
Jun 14, 2012, 10:59 AM
I asked her this morning..."when did Hitler die" and she came up with a lot of great info...even the day light savings details of that day. I'm a huge history buff, so that's super neat for me!

Yeah that is cool! That's that kind of stuff (and the breath I referred to above) that I'm hoping for Siri in the future. Sure you could label that as "history", but I would just call it "random fact I wanted to know". I would like to be able to start asking random questions like "how big is the pacific ocean?" or "What was the name of the bad guy in the original ninja turtles?" or "how many different flavor skittles are there?" Things like that. I expect Siri to eventually become a much heavier google replacement. In 10 years I want to look back and think "wow I can't believe I used to have to google something to find the answer. then go through pages of links and read through articles and websites to continue looking for my answer" Just ask Siri! :)

Also, maybe for some complicated questions Siri would give you a list of the most likely answers, with the probability of each being right. I'm thinking of that computer that they used on Jeopardy.


I'm hoping that at least in the UK it'll accept "football" to mean the same as "soccer." If only everyone just called it football.

Well maybe you won't need to say either. I don't believe they ever used the name of the sport during the demo. "Who won the Giants game" and "Who is taller kobe or lebron" and "what are the national league standings"

AustinIllini
Jun 14, 2012, 11:04 AM
To iPhone: "Siri, warm up my car"
Siri: "Okay, _____, I will warm up the car for 10 minutes"

<gets in car>

Siri (in BMW): "your engine has been running for 6 minutes, 29 seconds"

To Car: "Siri, set my home thermostat to 72 degrees and start my dishwasher"

Siri (in BMW): "Okay, I will set thermostat to 72 degrees"

Brenz
Jun 14, 2012, 11:06 AM
As for specific commands like you listed, it's likely more complex than retrieving sports info. When you ask a question, Siri is obviously accessing some sort of database to retrieve the information and perhaps there isn't one readily available that includes such information.

It looks as if Siri uses Yahoo for all the results and they have the Euro 2012 results on their website so its seems to be a case of Apple not bothering to include all football results.

b166er
Jun 14, 2012, 11:10 AM
Continuous listening is pretty cool but it has its obvious flaws. I had the tweak installed on my last jailbreak that did this. The battery drain was not as bad as I would have thought, but Siri would pop up when I wasn't trying to summon it. I remember a specific occasion when I said "Are you seriously trying to..." and the phone is all "yes?" and that took the wind out of the point I was trying to make haha.

Sports are something a lot of people obsess over, especially stats. So I can see why they did that. I think the way they included movie info is great, I will use that for sure.

I'd like to see Siri have a little more control over the device. Not just adding stuff but deleting stuff. Turning wifi/etc on and off. Stuff like that. A lot of this is available via jailbreak and it is stable, so hopefully Apple sees that and will take the hint.

bushido
Jun 14, 2012, 11:43 AM
siri is only somewhat useful if i switch to english which makes me look even more like a tool using it out in germany

e.g. siri in german doesnt get english words

"Wo läuft der Film The Avengers?" (where can i watch the avengers?)

turns to "i'm sorry, i dont know what u mean by "Wir wünschen" LOL

siri needs to become multilingual otherwise those movie features will be HORRIBLE in other languages where english titles are used

fuzion11
Jun 14, 2012, 12:17 PM
To iPhone: "Siri, warm up my car"
Siri: "Okay, _____, I will warm up the car for 10 minutes"

<gets in car>

Siri (in BMW): "your engine has been running for 6 minutes, 29 seconds"

To Car: "Siri, set my home thermostat to 72 degrees and start my dishwasher"

Siri (in BMW): "Okay, I will set thermostat to 72 degrees"

I really like that idea...I'm sure these commands will be implemented soon...likely within 2 years I would think.

I remember reading someone at Apple is working on a revolutionary thermostat, so I can totally see Siri working hand in hand with that.

bearda
Jun 14, 2012, 12:38 PM
I really like that idea...I'm sure these commands will be implemented soon...likely within 2 years I would think.

I remember reading someone at Apple is working on a revolutionary thermostat, so I can totally see Siri working hand in hand with that.

I see Siri's Map integration as a much bigger thing than sports and movie data.

The thermostat is the Nest, and although it isn't an Apple product it was created by a former Apple exec. Rather than supporting individual devices I'd like to see a way for third-party apps to integrate with Siri. GM's OnStar app can already do remote control of some car models. The Nest app already can set your AC temperature. There's an app that can control the massage chair in my office. Offering developers a way to voice-activate features in their apps could be huge.

BFizzzle
Jun 14, 2012, 12:42 PM
im hoping for the ability to recap me on the latest walking dead episode.. ;)

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I really like that idea...I'm sure these commands will be implemented soon...likely within 2 years I would think.

I remember reading someone at Apple is working on a revolutionary thermostat, so I can totally see Siri working hand in hand with that.

"the revolutionary thermostat" is already out you can pick one up at the apple store. and its the guy who did the click wheel on the ipod i think? or something to with the ipod. ex apple employee

nest learning thermostat.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/H9279LL/A


you can change the temperature from anywhere with an idevice.

Cooknn
Jun 14, 2012, 01:37 PM
I don't care for sports. So this was a non-issue for me...Neither did the app' developers in the audience at WWDC judging from the silence when Scott announced those features.

My wish for Siri? That I could use her to navigate my television stations.

fuzion11
Jun 14, 2012, 02:15 PM
Neither did the app' developers in the audience at WWDC judging from the silence when Scott announced those features.

My wish for Siri? That I could use her to navigate my television stations.

I've read that once the Apple TV is released, it will likely have Siri enabled in the TV set, which will likely give you the options you hoped for.

It sure would be neat to be out for dinner and tell Siri on your iPhone to record this show or that show for you at this time and channel.

fins831
Jun 14, 2012, 02:24 PM
I want Siri to be able to turn on/off bluetooth and wifi, if it can open and close apps, why not toggles

fuzion11
Jun 14, 2012, 02:25 PM
I want Siri to be able to turn on/off bluetooth and wifi, if it can open and close apps, why not toggles

I bet this will still be included in 6.0...likely on release or maybe even 6.1 or so

ebolamonkey3
Jun 14, 2012, 04:32 PM
I think it would be pretty cool to be able to control your home entertainment system or other peripherals that are linked w/ your iPhone/iPad/iMac.

So if you have your iPad docked at the living room, you can just use it as a universal remote for the lights, the tv, the sound system, etc, all w/o touching it.

Fernsie
Jun 15, 2012, 09:36 AM
I use Siri all the time in the car and I find it invaluable. Here are some of my suggestions for improvement:

Continuous listening would be great to have. Maybe you could activate it by speaking "continuous on" and turn it off with "continuous off". Whilst its active you would prefix every command with "Siri.."

It would also be good to have an option to extend how long she waits for you to finish. Sometimes I'm sending a text message and I stop to think about what I want to say. Siri assumes I'm done and composes the unfinished message. An elegant and natural solution would be if you said "ummm..." or "aaah..." she would realise you were thinking and would keep listening until you paused for a longer time or said something like "ok, I'm done".

Another suggestion would be the ability to correct her. After she composes what she thought you said, you could simply say something like, "Not bears, beers"

Every night when I drive home from work I ask her to "call my wife". Then I have to manually press the speakerphone button. I'd like to be able to say, "call my wife on speakerphone"

virginblue4
Jun 15, 2012, 10:18 AM
As other have said, I would like Siri to be able to change settings, e.g. WiFi, 3G/4G, Bluetooth, airplane mode and brightness. Maybe one day.

Also when sending a text through Siri and putting an 'x' at the end as a kiss, it always puts a capital 'X', which looks stupid when it's at the end of a sentence. Oh well lol, maybe that's just me!

infinity12402
Jun 15, 2012, 12:41 PM
i hadnt even thought about using siri to toggle wifi and bluetooth and what not, but that is really a wonderful idea, and i hope they implement it with the release

Rogifan
Jun 15, 2012, 12:46 PM
Siri's next big step had better be actually controlling the device (turn off Wifi, decrease brightness, etc.).
Anything short of this will remain a disappointment.

This. And more integration with 3rd party apps.

Geekbabe
Jun 15, 2012, 12:46 PM
All I know is that it would be nice if Siri could say " no more pizza for you" LOL, the amount of restaurants she can find for me is mind blowing & fattening! :D

fuzion11
Jun 15, 2012, 12:47 PM
I use Siri all the time in the car and I find it invaluable. Here are some of my suggestions for improvement:

Continuous listening would be great to have. Maybe you could activate it by speaking "continuous on" and turn it off with "continuous off". Whilst its active you would prefix every command with "Siri.."

It would also be good to have an option to extend how long she waits for you to finish. Sometimes I'm sending a text message and I stop to think about what I want to say. Siri assumes I'm done and composes the unfinished message. An elegant and natural solution would be if you said "ummm..." or "aaah..." she would realise you were thinking and would keep listening until you paused for a longer time or said something like "ok, I'm done".

Another suggestion would be the ability to correct her. After she composes what she thought you said, you could simply say something like, "Not bears, beers"

Every night when I drive home from work I ask her to "call my wife". Then I have to manually press the speakerphone button. I'd like to be able to say, "call my wife on speakerphone"

I pretty much said just about all the same stuff you said in one of my earlier posts...I love the idea of correcting her after she's done doing her thing ("Not bears, beers") great idea!

I also think it would be great for continuous listening and she'll know when you're done as it would require us to say "Over"...picture a trucker using his CB radio, once he's done talking, he'll always say "over"

Oh and the call on speaker phone idea....genius!

moonman239
Jun 15, 2012, 01:11 PM
Maybe it will be an API for developers.

ThisIsNotMe
Jun 15, 2012, 01:37 PM
Siri's next big step had better be actually controlling the device (turn off Wifi, decrease brightness, etc.).
Anything short of this will remain a disappointment.

You are looking at it from a "nerd" perspective. 99.9% of the population doesn't care about turning WiFi on/off, ect.

Sure it would be nice but the "nerd" isn't Apples target audience.

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The newest version Siri is already a quantum leap for Apple in terms of mobile.

When you look at mobile search, many people use it to do the basic search tasks that Siri now handles.

They are eliminating the need for search on mobile (for most tasks) which undercuts mobile search providers. The upside is Apple is doing this as value added feature where these other providers are doing it for the distribution of ads and the collection of marketing data.