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gadget123
Jun 16, 2012, 06:09 PM
So yes there's some 4, 5" phones, 16, 32GB handsets, great sound quality, more free apps on Android but STILL I don't get it. I really dislike the feel of Android. The App store bores me, the games are less superior especially free ones. The screens are much more unresponsive and the screen depth of text still doesn't match the retina. The build quality sucks on Samsungs. You just have to hold the Iphone vs the Samsung. Yes it's a bad idea to drop the Iphone but if you are careful it's a much smarter well made handset.

Galaxy note was almost as big as the Playbook. I tried most tablets in a store and found the playbook to be faster and more unique in design. The Android tablets were too complicated. The Galaxy had no home button unlike the Ipad and wiglets were annoying.

I go into phone shops all the time and they always dish the Iphone and say it's got crap signal, Android do better with there OS updates and this phone is much newer and better sound. Don't believe it.

The Iphone is much more interesting to use with Ibooks, the better app store, texting, surfing is smoother even was back in the 3GS days. The Iphone camera is better than any 5 or 8MP I've seen, Facetime is better than the dud 3G calls we had years ago.

It reminds me of the Sony Ericsson handsets they always had so much missing that Samsung never had but the K750i, K800i, C905 were all iconic flagship phones. Since Android came in it's been dull production lines of phones. Bigger memory, BIGGER screen, BIGGER camera like 12 mega pixels too much for a camera phone but they seem think it's better.

Give me IOS6 over any of these Android production line clones any day. 200 new features and a decent OS which works. Being honest there's not one handset I like. The odd Windows phone has got my eye but there's few others I'd prefer to own.

No doubt about it Iphone is the best all round smart phone money can buy. Iphone 3GS to the 4 to the 4S. Might lack some IOS6 features but from budget to high end comparison I'd much rather have the Iphone. Anybody agree?



VinnyDee78
Jun 16, 2012, 06:32 PM
I wish I had done it a year ago. I was holding out for the iPhone 5 (or whatever you call it), but my HTC started to break down hardware and software wise.

It represents a step up in performance and a lot of other great features and apps. I actually have fun using it on top of all the business I conduct and depend on it for.

I think like a PC and have hated my wife's Apple desktop for years, but am now rethinking the whole allegence thing.

The iPhone works for our family... so does the iPad, iPod and MacBook!

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 06:32 PM
Oh god not this. You could argue all day about 4s vs high end android phones (I peronally prefer android but you could argue both sides) but vs the iphone 4 there are so many android phones that are undoubtly vastly superior to the 4. The galaxy nexus for 399.99 comes to mind and its about 150 cheaper than an 8gb iphone 4 without contract. Even the nexus s is much better (power sgx540 vs 535sgx in the 4) and has full android 4.04 and not a crippled version of ios 6. iOS's browser also needs a lot of work. I was comparing chrome on android to safari on my iPad 2 and chrome is so much better. Like its more than twice as fast on most websites and sometimes its like 5 times as fast. Even the stock ics browser is much faster than safari.

Don't even get me started on the fact that they still sell the 3gs. (at about the same price as an unlocked nexus) Even 140 dollar prepaid android phones have better specs than it. 480x320. Ridiculous.

Technarchy
Jun 16, 2012, 06:34 PM
Android is the least appealing mobile OS on the market currently. The OS itself is junk, the phones are mostly horrid, and its core business model is flawed which is why iOS eats 75% of the mobile profits with only 24% global share.

212rikanmofo
Jun 16, 2012, 06:38 PM
If it wasn't for Apple, there would be no Android phones. The user experience is nothing like iOS and I mean that in a bad way. It just doesn't feel right. I love the simplicity of Apple products. There's a reason why they went from almost bankrupt to the world's top leading company now.

gadget123
Jun 16, 2012, 06:45 PM
Android is the least appealing mobile OS on the market currently. The OS itself is junk, the phones are mostly horrid, and its core business model is flawed which is why iOS eats 75% of the mobile profits with only 24% global share.

See I'm not Anti Samsung. They make great tv products, the Pixon and Pixon 12 were great phones, the Samsung Wave is great too.

It's all this Android rubbish. How about develop a smarter phone? I don't see the Iphone as a smart phone as there's so much focus on the user experience. This is what made say walkman phones amazing. :cool:

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Don't even get me started on the fact that they still sell the 3gs. (at about the same price as an unlocked nexus) Even 140 dollar prepaid android phones have better specs than it. 480x320. Ridiculous.

Hey, I wish other companies sold there flagship phone brand new years later. It was always a cheaper version with a worse name and worse camera.

Atleast you get a once flagship product but cheaper. I know the Galaxy 1 is still for sale but only as they keep bringing out new ones every few months.

I.Love.Apple
Jun 16, 2012, 06:48 PM
Android is the least appealing mobile OS on the market currently. The OS itself is junk, the phones are mostly horrid, and its core business model is flawed which is why iOS eats 75% of the mobile profits with only 24% global share.

Android - the least appealing mobile OS with the highest [by far] market share. :confused:

0m3ga
Jun 16, 2012, 06:59 PM
Wow. Just... Wow. This thread is just another affirmation of why Apple will never fail. I have many Apple products and think the ones I have are great, but lately either some iPhone owners are beginning to feel really insecure or Samsungs success is making Apple lovers hate Android more and become more vocal. Either way, it is not a good sign.

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 07:07 PM
See I'm not Anti Samsung. They make great tv products, the Pixon and Pixon 12 were great phones, the Samsung Wave is great too.

It's all this Android rubbish. How about develop a smarter phone? I don't see the Iphone as a smart phone as there's so much focus on the user experience. This is what made say walkman phones amazing. :cool:

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Hey, I wish other companies sold there flagship phone brand new years later. It was always a cheaper version with a worse name and worse camera.

Atleast you get a once flagship product but cheaper. I know the Galaxy 1 is still for sale but only as they keep bringing out new ones every few months.

The 3gs has a terrible 3mp camera with no flash, hardly good. And on contract with at&t the Galaxy sii is about the same price as the 3gs and the Galaxy sii is still one of the best phones around.

mbell1975
Jun 16, 2012, 07:15 PM
900k people a day think otherwise...

Shockwave78
Jun 16, 2012, 07:17 PM
So yes there's some 4, 5" phones, 16, 32GB handsets, great sound quality, more free apps on Android but STILL I don't get it. I really dislike the feel of Android. The App store bores me, the games are less superior especially free ones. The screens are much more unresponsive and the screen depth of text still doesn't match the retina. The build quality sucks on Samsungs. You just have to hold the Iphone vs the Samsung. Yes it's a bad idea to drop the Iphone but if you are careful it's a much smarter well made handset.

Galaxy note was almost as big as the Playbook. I tried most tablets in a store and found the playbook to be faster and more unique in design. The Android tablets were too complicated. The Galaxy had no home button unlike the Ipad and wiglets were annoying.

I go into phone shops all the time and they always dish the Iphone and say it's got crap signal, Android do better with there OS updates and this phone is much newer and better sound. Don't believe it.

The Iphone is much more interesting to use with Ibooks, the better app store, texting, surfing is smoother even was back in the 3GS days. The Iphone camera is better than any 5 or 8MP I've seen, Facetime is better than the dud 3G calls we had years ago.

It reminds me of the Sony Ericsson handsets they always had so much missing that Samsung never had but the K750i, K800i, C905 were all iconic flagship phones. Since Android came in it's been dull production lines of phones. Bigger memory, BIGGER screen, BIGGER camera like 12 mega pixels too much for a camera phone but they seem think it's better.

Give me IOS6 over any of these Android production line clones any day. 200 new features and a decent OS which works. Being honest there's not one handset I like. The odd Windows phone has got my eye but there's few others I'd prefer to own.

No doubt about it Iphone is the best all round smart phone money can buy. Iphone 3GS to the 4 to the 4S. Might lack some IOS6 features but from budget to high end comparison I'd much rather have the Iphone. Anybody agree?


Well for you Android does not work, for many others it does...Many don't like iOS and that's why they have something different than an iphone. Some people like huge screens, you seem to think there is something wrong with someone else wanting to have a large screen on there phone. Why would you care even?

Carlanga
Jun 16, 2012, 07:21 PM
900k people a day think otherwise...

It's the OS activation I believe, which also includes tablets, other fw versions people keep flashing on their devices too. Also, most android phones used are still on 2.X

I.Love.Apple
Jun 16, 2012, 07:28 PM
It's the OS activation I believe, which also includes tablets, other fw versions people keep flashing on their devices too. Also, most android phones used are still on 2.X

People are weird this way - they prefer Android 2.x to iOS 5. Is Android that much better?

JMG
Jun 16, 2012, 07:33 PM
Wow. Just... Wow. This thread is just another affirmation of why Apple will never fail. I have many Apple products and think the ones I have are great, but lately either some iPhone owners are beginning to feel really insecure or Samsungs success is making Apple lovers hate Android more and become more vocal. Either way, it is not a good sign.

A good sign for what? Almost any business' marketing strategy is based on the insecurity of the buyer. The fact that Apple has succeeded in creating a rabid cult-like fan-base is only good for business. Not all apple customers are as rabid, but those who are will be in line for the next iSomething regardless, guaranteeing sales.

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the Galaxy sii is still one of the best phones around.

i had it. Didn't like it. Returned it.

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 07:35 PM
People are weird this way - they prefer Android 2.x to iOS 5. Is Android that much better?

Android 2.3 is still quite a bit ahead of even ios6. Apple has a lot of work to do to catch up. Just look at the rating of the galaxy sii on at&t's site or the razr maxx on verizons. Even the budget oriented Galaxy s blaze on t mobile has top notch marks. People are more than happy with these phones. Same with the Rezound, droid 4, inspire 4g. Gingerbread is still a very good OS and the updates are taking some time because 4.0 is a pretty large update and not a minor refresh like ios6.

0m3ga
Jun 16, 2012, 07:43 PM
A good sign for what? Almost any business' marketing strategy is based on the insecurity of the buyer. The fact that Apple has succeeded in creating a rabid cult-like fan-base is only good for business. Not all apple customers are as rabid, but those who are will be in line for the next iSomething regardless, guaranteeing sales.

you and I are on the same page. When I said it wasn't a good sign, I'm referring to how Apple fans are becoming more hateful, more envious, more vocal. In years past, Apple owners knew we had the best product and didn't need to say anything. Now, even Apple has resorted to mud-slinging and name calling (wwdc comes to mind), which is something that never would have happened under Steve Jobs leadership. This isn't a good sign.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 07:45 PM
I think both platforms are really becoming equal. I am trying out android for the first time in a long time on the HTC One X. I will say the screen is a lot nicer than the iPhone. its really stunning. the extra real estate is nice. The camera is right on par with the 4S and captures photos faster. I installed the ICS keyboard and i find its easier and faster to use than the ios keyboard. However, there are some little things in android that do annoy me. For one, when I'm way down the bottom of a long website there is no way to quick jump back to the top of the page unless the page (like macrumors) has a scroll to top link. Also I have noticed there is no way to copy images in any of the browsers. Say I am looking at Reddit and see a funny GIF and want to quick copy it and paste it into Google+ mess anger. There is no copy option in any of the browsers I've tried. (Stock browser, chrome, dolphin HD, ics+) The BIGGEST problem I have with this phone is due to HTC tweaking the multitasking. It is atrocious. I feel like I am back on ios 3.0 on my iPhone 3gs when I'm multitasking. HTC made the phone have very aggressive app killing so after like 2 mins background apps get shutdown. This is EXTREMELY annoying when reopening apps. I reopen chrome and every time it reloads my page. it doesn't actually reload it load, it just reloads the last page. So I have to wait for it to reload, then refresh it.
Because of this I will be testing out the SGIII.

Battery life has been the same as my iPhone. I love chrome. Gmail is really nice on android along with Google drive. Google maps is a lot better too.

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 07:47 PM
I think both platforms are really becoming equal. I am trying out android for the first time in a long time on the HTC One X. I will say the screen is a lot nicer than the iPhone. its really stunning. the extra real estate is nice. The camera is right on par with the 4S and captures photos faster. I installed the ICS keyboard and i find its easier and faster to use than the ios keyboard. However, there are some little things in android that do annoy me. For one, when I'm way down the bottom of a long website there is no way to quick jump back to the top of the page unless the page (like macrumors) has a scroll to top link. Also I have noticed there is no way to copy images in any of the browsers. Say I am looking at Reddit and see a funny GIF and want to quick copy it and paste it into Google+ mess anger. There is no copy option in any of the browsers I've tried. (Stock browser, chrome, dolphin HD, ics+) The BIGGEST problem I have with this phone is due to HTC tweaking the multitasking. It is atrocious. I feel like I am back on ios 3.0 on my iPhone 3gs when I'm multitasking. HTC made the phone have very aggressive app killing so after like 2 mins background apps get shutdown. This is EXTREMELY annoying when reopening apps. I reopen chrome and every time it reloads my page. it doesn't actually reload it load, it just reloads the last page. So I have to wait for it to reload, then refresh it.
Because of this I will be testing out the SGIII.

Battery life has been the same as my iPhone. I love chrome. Gmail is really nice on android along with Google drive.

Long press on an image to bring up options to copy it.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 07:49 PM
Long press on an image to bring up options to copy it.

Yea that's what I'm doing. All it gives me is "save image", "open image", and "open image in new tab". Am I missing something? Running android 4.0 on the one x

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 07:51 PM
Yea that's what I'm doing. All it gives me is "save image", "open image", and "open image in new tab". Am I missing something? Running android 4.0 on the one x

Hit open image. Then in the menu you can share it in the app you want. (should be "share page") No need to copy and paste the url although your free to do that if you want.

If you want to upload the image you can alternatively hit save image and share it from the gallery app instead.

Technarchy
Jun 16, 2012, 07:53 PM
If I had to give up my 4S to tomorrow, I'd jump to Windows Phone and if that was gone I'd go Blackberry.

Android will never have a place in my life again unless I grow an affinity for junk phones and lemon party software.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 07:57 PM
Hit open image. Then in the menu you can share it in the app you want. (should be "share page") No need to copy and paste the url although your free to do that if you want.

If you want to upload the image you can alternatively hit save image and share it from the gallery app instead.

When I hit open image nothing happens. It just reloads the page with the image. If i go to menu and hit share that just shares the link. I am talking about copying the image and posting it straight into a message. Not the URL. On and iPhone all I had to do was long press on the pic or GIF, hit copy, and then switch to imessages and paste it into the field and send the image/GIF

mbell1975
Jun 16, 2012, 07:57 PM
It's the OS activation I believe, which also includes tablets, other fw versions people keep flashing on their devices too. Also, most android phones used are still on 2.X


This article specifically mentions "phones" and Rubin clarifies it as going into a store, buying a device and activating it on a wireless network. They don't count resold devices.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/android-900000-activations-daily-8212-what-that-means/8127

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 08:00 PM
When I hit open image nothing happens. It just reloads the page with the image. If i go to menu and hit share that just shares the link. I am talking about copying the image and posting it straight into a message. Not the URL. On and iPhone all I had to do was long press on the pic or GIF, hit copy, and then switch to imessages and paste it into the field and send the image/GIF

hit save image. Once its saved open it which should bring you to the gallery. Hit share from there and it should automatically attach it to whatever post or message your using. The good thing about this is that it supports almost any app and not just the built in ones.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 08:02 PM
hit save image. Once its saved open it which should bring you to the gallery. Hit share from there and it should attach it to whatever post or message your using. The good thing about this is that it supports almost any app and not just the built in ones.

Yea but then I got the stupid image/GIF saved on my phone and I gotta delete it! Lol

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 08:04 PM
Yea but then I got the stupid image/GIF saved on my phone and I gotta delete it! Lol

Its on there with imessage as well. You just can't view the filesystem in iOS so you don't know. If you don't want the image on your phone send the url instead that way its store on the web.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 08:12 PM
Its on there with imessage as well. You just can't view the filesystem in iOS so you don't know. If you don't want the image on your phone send the url instead that way its store on the web.

Could that be true? I mean on my iPhone I'm just copying and pasting, not downloading the file. On my One X its actually downloading the file and taking up space on my phone in the downloaded collection of photos in gallery.

JayLenochiniMac
Jun 16, 2012, 08:16 PM
Only those coming from Androids or have contemplating switching over think about Androids. The rest of us don't care and don't even think about them.

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 08:18 PM
Could that be true? I mean on my iPhone I'm just copying and pasting, not downloading the file. On my One X its actually downloading the file and taking up space on my phone in the downloaded collection of photos in gallery.

Yes, in order to upload the image and have it in your conversation it has to store a local copy of it.

Having the share option available directly from the long press menu in the browser though would be a nice feature and it should be pretty easy to implement. I'll suggest it and submit the code to google code gerrit and if approved it should be included in future builds of android. You can see how it works here.

https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/q/status:open,n,z

gadget123
Jun 16, 2012, 08:19 PM
Wow. Just... Wow. This thread is just another affirmation of why Apple will never fail. I have many Apple products and think the ones I have are great, but lately either some iPhone owners are beginning to feel really insecure or Samsungs success is making Apple lovers hate Android more and become more vocal. Either way, it is not a good sign.

Trust me..I'd not buy one of those Samsung Androids if it was 10.

I just dislike the designs and screens too big. Keep the 3.5" as it works best.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 08:23 PM
Yes, in order to upload the image and have it in your conversation it has to store a local copy of it.

Having the share option available directly from the long press menu in the browser though would be a nice feature and it should be pretty easy to implement. I'll suggest it and submit the code to google code gerrit and if approved it should be included in future builds of android.

That would be a nice touch.

GKDAIR
Jun 16, 2012, 08:27 PM
As a previous Android owner, I fully agree with this topic.


Android is complete crap. Its OS is awful and crashes constantly, its apps are horrible ports of their IOS brothers, online gaming is much less popular on android devices.

You have to check the specs of your device constantly when new games come out to make sure your phone can handle them, Your phone is outdated within 2 months because Android has the production cycle of a jack rabbit. The OS feels awful and it feels like your scrolling through glue.

Half of the apps only work for certain versions of the android OS, Android doesn't monitor their app store so 95% of the apps are total garbage.

Just an overall AWFUL experience.

blairh
Jun 16, 2012, 08:31 PM
The BIGGEST problem I have with this phone is due to HTC tweaking the multitasking. It is atrocious. I feel like I am back on ios 3.0 on my iPhone 3gs when I'm multitasking. HTC made the phone have very aggressive app killing so after like 2 mins background apps get shutdown. This is EXTREMELY annoying when reopening apps. I reopen chrome and every time it reloads my page. it doesn't actually reload it load, it just reloads the last page. So I have to wait for it to reload, then refresh it.
Because of this I will be testing out the SGIII.


Funny you should mention this. I was very high on the One X after trying it out a few times at AT&T. Ultimately I decided to pass for several reasons. This was before the multitasking issue was widely known.

Today I was at the mall with my gf and I spent a lot of time browsing in Safari as I let her do her thing. So I was getting pretty fed up with my small and bluish iPhone screen and decided to visit AT&T again in the mall today. Even though the screen is superior to the iPhone 4/4S with respect to whites, brightness, and size, it's baffling how terrible Sense is on the One X. I wrote a short text message, opened the browser, copied a sentence from a website, went back to the text message, and my previous writing was gone. (The dreaded multitasking issue.) I also got a bizarre 'loading' message when I first exited the browser to reopen the text message.

I also have an issue with the font used in the browser. I used the stock browser and downloaded Boat browser and both rendered text in a font that looked inferior to what Safari provides. I also don't like the fact that you can't wake your phone by hitting the home button.

Anyways, it's things like that that make me feel Android still has a lot of catching up to do with the iPhone. I mean, the One X screen is remarkable, but there is much more to a phone than the screen itself. I too am excited about demoing the SIII. It's well known that the SIII screen produces a bluish hue in the browser, so I'm interested as to how blue exactly compared to the iPhone 4/4S. I also get the impression that TouchWiz is far better than Sense and of course you also get a physical home button, the expansion for 64 GB if desired via the SD slot, a more curved backing, etc.

As to what the OP is stating, well, I think the 4/4S is pretty tired at this point with respect to its hardware, but I can't think of an Android device that I feel is on par with it.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 08:40 PM
Funny you should mention this. I was very high on the One X after trying it out a few times at AT&T. Ultimately I decided to pass for several reasons. This was before the multitasking issue was widely known.

Today I was at the mall with my gf and I spent a lot of time browsing in Safari as I let her do her thing. So I was getting pretty fed up with my small and bluish iPhone screen and decided to visit AT&T again in the mall today. Even though the screen is superior to the iPhone 4/4S with respect to whites, brightness, and size, it's baffling how terrible Sense is on the One X. I wrote a short text message, opened the browser, copied a sentence from a website, went back to the text message, and my previous writing was gone. (The dreaded multitasking issue.) I also got a bizarre 'loading' message when I first exited the browser to reopen the text message.

I also have an issue with the font used in the browser. I used the stock browser and downloaded Boat browser and both rendered text in a font that looked inferior to what Safari provides. I also don't like the fact that you can't wake your phone by hitting the home button.

Anyways, it's things like that that make me feel Android still has a lot of catching up to do with the iPhone. I mean, the One X screen is remarkable, but there is much more to a phone than the screen itself. I too am excited about demoing the SIII. It's well known that the SIII screen produces a bluish hue in the browser, so I'm interested as to how blue exactly compared to the iPhone 4/4S. I also get the impression that TouchWiz is far better than Sense and of course you also get a physical home button, the expansion for 64 GB if desired via the SD slot, a more curved backing, etc.

As to what the OP is stating, well, I think the 4/4S is pretty tired at this point with respect to its hardware, but I can't think of an Android device that I feel is on par with it.

Yea I didn't know about the multitasking issue when i got it. none of the major reviews said anything about it. it is really disappointing. But at least I got 30 days so I'm hoping the SGIII gets in stores before then so I can demo it. from what the reviews have been saying its screen is really just as good as the One X in person. The lack of a home button to wake up the One X is also getting annoying. I agree wit the bonuses of removable battery and expandable storage on the SGIII. Plus I don't think the phone design is as ugly as some people think. The smart stay feature sounds really nice too.

If I'm not sold on the SGIII though ilk be going back to my iPhone 4 until the iPhone 5 I guess.

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 08:44 PM
Yea I didn't know about the multitasking issue when i got it. none of the major reviews said anything about it. it is really disappointing. But at least I got 30 days so I'm hoping the SGIII gets in stores before then so I can demo it. from what the reviews have been saying its screen is really just as good as the One X in person. The lack of a home button to wake up the One X is also getting annoying. I agree wit the bonuses of removable battery and expandable storage on the SGIII. Plus I don't think the phone design is as ugly as some people think. The smart stay feature sounds really nice too.

If I'm not sold on the SGIII though ilk be going back to my iPhone 4 until the iPhone 5 I guess.
I think you would very happy with the s3. I have tried the new touchwiz on my nexus as there are ports of it and its pretty nice. Its also not bloated like sense.

Carlanga
Jun 16, 2012, 08:45 PM
People are weird this way - they prefer Android 2.x to iOS 5. Is Android that much better?

The thing is most devices can't update up ;)
I have an ICS tablet an IMHO iOS is more refined in every day use, except web-browsing.


This article specifically mentions "phones" and Rubin clarifies it as going into a store, buying a device and activating it on a wireless network. They don't count resold devices.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/android-900000-activations-daily-8212-what-that-means/8127


Interesting read, that is a lot of devices!

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 08:48 PM
The thing is most devices can't update up ;)
I have an ICS tablet an IMHO iOS is more refined in every day use, except web-browsing.





Interesting read, that is a lot of devices!
The difference is though that even though some device may not get updated to 4.0 the maps app and Gmail and other built apps still get updated on a regular basis as does the play store. So you still get a lot of the new stuff. Apple doesn't update maps except during major iOS versions.

0m3ga
Jun 16, 2012, 08:49 PM
Trust me..I'd not buy one of those Samsung Androids if it was 10.

I just dislike the designs and screens too big. Keep the 3.5" as it works best.

Well, if you want to stick with the iPhone, it's not like you have a choice on screen size.

Personally, I like to be able to view an entire webpage without the constant zooming and scrolling required with the iPhone. Much easier to watch videos and use as a nav gps in the car. You know, practical reasons.

blairh
Jun 16, 2012, 09:01 PM
If I'm not sold on the SGIII though ilk be going back to my iPhone 4 until the iPhone 5 I guess.

Yeah, I'm basically going to take the same approach. I'll demo the SIII as soon as AT&T gets it. If I think it's something I'd enjoy, I'll upgrade knowing I have 30 days to test it out. If I don't end up liking it, I'll return to my iP4 and get the next iPhone this fall. Again, that's if I end up liking the SIII in store (running through TouchWiz, etc).

If we assume this photo has both devices at similar brightness settings, then I think it clearly shows the difference between the two. Like I said before, I expect the SIII to display whites in a similar fashion as the 4/4S. I'd prefer the whites of the One X, but Sense is a disaster.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 09:08 PM
Yeah, I'm basically going to take the same approach. I'll demo the SIII as soon as AT&T gets it. If I think it's something I'd enjoy, I'll upgrade knowing I have 30 days to test it out. If I don't end up liking it, I'll return to my iP4 and get the next iPhone this fall. Again, that's if I end up liking the SIII in store (running through TouchWiz, etc).

If we assume this photo has both devices at similar brightness settings, then I think it clearly shows the difference between the two. Like I said before, I expect the SIII to display whites in a similar fashion as the 4/4S. I'd prefer the whites of the One X, but Sense is a disaster.


We just can't have the perfect package :(. I agree though, the day to day use of the One X makes it unbearable no matter how good the display is. Another thing that sucks about it is if you get a new on like me, its running 1.85 and the boot loader can't be unlocked. Stupid carriers.

bobenhaus
Jun 16, 2012, 09:12 PM
Tom Tom. Hahahahahahah

Lunfai
Jun 16, 2012, 09:14 PM
Used to have a HTC, but they didn't offer firmware upgrades and was too busy with rooting and putting on a new rom. I didn't like the idea of messing around with the device. I rooted in the end, but even then I didn't really like that the only option was to root, when 1 year past I upgraded to the iPhone 4 STRAIGHT away! Haven't looked back to be honest.

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 09:22 PM
We just can't have the perfect package :(. I agree though, the day to day use of the One X makes it unbearable no matter how good the display is. Another thing that sucks about it is if you get a new on like me, its running 1.85 and the boot loader can't be unlocked. Stupid carriers.

Thats why I like nexus devices. Regular samsung devices also have unlocked bootloaders.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 09:25 PM
Thats why I like nexus devices. Regular samsung devices also have unlocked bootloaders.

I would probably like a nexus but I feel its too much of a downgrade going from the iPhone 4 to galaxy nexus. The galaxy nexus' camera is horrible so is the battery life. And who knows when the next pure nexus device comes out. It may be unveiled in like November, but it will probably not show up in the US until like Feb 2013

King Shady
Jun 16, 2012, 09:43 PM
So many blatant Android haters here... it makes me lol.

I just came back to the 4S after a couple weeks with the HTC One X; I came to several conclusions:

-Apple's ecosystem is still far superior to Android - though Google Play is much improved than the prior Market

-The screen of the One X blows every mobile screen I've ever seen out of the water (I've used everything - Super Amoled Plus, SA HD, Retina, etc). It's so crisp and sharp, just like my new retina MacBook Pro :P

-Lag issues that people thought Android contained are completely gone w/ next generation Android handsets - ICS is coded much more properly compared to GB, and w/ next gen hardware such as the S4 cpu and Exynos quad, there are NO lag issues.

-The design of the One X is absolutely amazing, it's thin for the size and feels great.

-I came back to iPhone because I missed having all of my stuff integrated with one another (iCloud is pretty cool, though I don't like the pricing).

That said, Android is a great alternative, and still offers MUCH more customization than the iPhone; however, people have their different opinions and are entitled to choose whatever they want. Also to the guy who says iPhone has a bigger marketshare... WRONG - Android leads by 20% last time I checked. People should learn to be open-minded and appreciate both platforms. Oh btw, stock ICS UI still kicks the **** out of the elderly iOS UI (had the very first iPhone, there are practically no UI changes since).

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 09:44 PM
I would probably like a nexus but I feel its too much of a downgrade going from the iPhone 4 to galaxy nexus. The galaxy nexus' camera is horrible so is the battery life. And who knows when the next pure nexus device comes out. It may be unveiled in like November, but it will probably not show up in the US until like Feb 2013

The battery life on the nexus is excellent, not sure why you have the notion that its not. I have the lte nexus and I can get about 5 hours of screen on time (mostly web browsing) and when its in my pocket or on the table it literally doesn't lose any battery at all. A percent every few hours or so. Also the camera performance has improved quite a bit since the original release. I know several people personally who have switched from the iphone 4 to the nexus and they couldn't be happier. In fact the first one switched after playing with mine and then the next one switched after playing the first ones nexus. Its spreading.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 09:54 PM
The battery life on the nexus is excellent, not sure why you have the notion that its not. I have the lte nexus and I can get about 5 hours of screen on time (mostly web browsing) and when its in my pocket or on the table it literally doesn't lose any battery at all. A percent every few hours or so. Also the camera performance has improved quite a bit since the original release. I know several people personally who have switched from the iphone 4 to the nexus and they couldn't be happier. In fact the first one switched after playing with mine and then the next one switched after playing the first ones nexus. Its spreading.

Hmm. I may have to try that one out too then. I do like the idea of having a pure Google phone.

blairh
Jun 16, 2012, 09:55 PM
I really don't want to get into a long back and forth with anyone about this, but honestly, I've compared my iPhone screen with over a dozen different GNex's in the past few months and every time, with both devices at full brightness, the iPhone 4 screen is vastly superior to the Nexus. It's both significantly brighter and the Nexus has a yellow tint every time. Stock ICS looks awesome but I feel the screen alone is significantly inferior to the iPhone's.

Frankied22
Jun 16, 2012, 10:01 PM
I really don't want to get into a long back and forth with anyone about this, but honestly, I've compared my iPhone screen with over a dozen different GNex's in the past few months and every time, with both devices at full brightness, the iPhone 4 screen is vastly superior to the Nexus. It's both significantly brighter and the Nexus has a yellow tint every time. Stock ICS looks awesome but I feel the screen alone is significantly inferior to the iPhone's.

I have heard this from people as well. Is it the pentile?

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 10:02 PM
Hmm. I may have to try that one out too then. I do like the idea of having a pure Google phone.

yeah buy it unlocked and you can save your upgrade for later too.

jazzneel
Jun 16, 2012, 10:36 PM
So many blatant Android haters here... it makes me lol.

I just came back to the 4S after a couple weeks with the HTC One X; I came to several conclusions:

-Apple's ecosystem is still far superior to Android - though Google Play is much improved than the prior Market

-The screen of the One X blows every mobile screen I've ever seen out of the water (I've used everything - Super Amoled Plus, SA HD, Retina, etc). It's so crisp and sharp, just like my new retina MacBook Pro :P

-Lag issues that people thought Android contained are completely gone w/ next generation Android handsets - ICS is coded much more properly compared to GB, and w/ next gen hardware such as the S4 cpu and Exynos quad, there are NO lag issues.

-The design of the One X is absolutely amazing, it's thin for the size and feels great.

-I came back to iPhone because I missed having all of my stuff integrated with one another (iCloud is pretty cool, though I don't like the pricing).

That said, Android is a great alternative, and still offers MUCH more customization than the iPhone; however, people have their different opinions and are entitled to choose whatever they want. Also to the guy who says iPhone has a bigger marketshare... WRONG - Android leads by 20% last time I checked. People should learn to be open-minded and appreciate both platforms. Oh btw, stock ICS UI still kicks the **** out of the elderly iOS UI (had the very first iPhone, there are practically no UI changes since).

Great post. I went from Win Mobile to Palm to Android (htc touch, galaxy s, galaxy s II) to iPhone 4S. Android and iPhone are very comparable, both with their strengths and weaknesses.

For me, I find the iPhone a bit more boring since after jailbreaking, not much more customizing you can do. Can't really play around with the settings and tweak it as you could an android phone. iPhone is good for people who want their phone to just work, android is for people who want their phone to be fully theirs, 100% customizable to make it their phone.

My GSII was an amazing phone. It took ridic amazing pictures as well. I would probably say so far from having both, the iPhone 4S and the GSII are on par with picture, although I may have to give the GSII the crown, but just barely. I attached a picture I took with my GSII of the sunset @ SF Bay area. It was also very speedy, never lagged once!

I do however love my iPHone 4S, and it really is an amazing electronic. I am really hoping for a 4" screen on the iPHone 5, and I will probably get that if it does indeed happen.

rant/
The apple fanboys on this forum are ridiculous, blindly following their "master" like little sheep and not thinking for themselves. Don't get me wrong, there are android fanboys like that too who drive me insane! I really appreciate the "real" posts that are objective, and offer facts instead of pure ridiculous subjective opinions.

/end rant.

King Shady
Jun 16, 2012, 10:38 PM
^^ Agree x 100000. The Galaxy S II is an AMAZING phone, I owned the international one for about 9 months; that was the best Android phone ever. The GSIII was a let down for me :(. Anyways, great post and I agree! Too many biased Apple fanboys here!

skywalkerr69
Jun 16, 2012, 10:43 PM
Aren't all but 3 droid makers bankrupt now?

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Great post. I went from Win Mobile to Palm to Android (htc touch, galaxy s, galaxy s II) to iPhone 4S. Android and iPhone are very comparable, both with their strengths and weaknesses.

For me, I find the iPhone a bit more boring since after jailbreaking, not much more customizing you can do. Can't really play around with the settings and tweak it as you could an android phone. iPhone is good for people who want their phone to just work, android is for people who want their phone to be fully theirs, 100% customizable to make it their phone.

My GSII was an amazing phone. It took ridic amazing pictures as well. I would probably say so far from having both, the iPhone 4S and the GSII are on par with picture, although I may have to give the GSII the crown, but just barely. I attached a picture I took with my GSII of the sunset @ SF Bay area. It was also very speedy, never lagged once!

I do however love my iPHone 4S, and it really is an amazing electronic. I am really hoping for a 4" screen on the iPHone 5, and I will probably get that if it does indeed happen.

rant/
The apple fanboys on this forum are ridiculous, blindly following their "master" like little sheep and not thinking for themselves. Don't get me wrong, there are android fanboys like that too who drive me insane! I really appreciate the "real" posts that are objective, and offer facts instead of pure ridiculous subjective opinions.

/end rant.

Wait do you have the newest chocolate ice cream waffle cone sprinkle strawberry caramel syrup OS?

King Shady
Jun 16, 2012, 10:48 PM
Idk but the last time I checked Apple was the one trying to deny sales of the GSIII in the US... but it got denied... :( .And list the Android*** (not Droid - that is a Motorola marketing term for their devices) manufacturers who are bankrupt. Typical Apple fanboy mad that the competition is rising. :rolleyes:

jazzneel
Jun 16, 2012, 10:48 PM
Aren't all but 3 droid makers bankrupt now?

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Wait do you have the newest chocolate ice cream waffle cone sprinkle strawberry caramel syrup OS?

Well let's see, there is HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola as the main Android smartphone makers, and I don't believe any of the FOUR are bankrupt? Not sure where you are getting your info from, but might want to change your source! :)

And I actually think it's fun that they add names to their systems, why not?

I'm assuming you are a hardcore apple fanboy, nice to meet you. :cool:

blackhand1001
Jun 16, 2012, 11:25 PM
Hmm. I may have to try that one out too then. I do like the idea of having a pure Google phone.

Just some proof I'd like to share regarding the nexus's battery.

An hour of screen usage and still at 83 percent.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2506/screenshot2012061700145o.png (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2012061700145o.png/)

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8523/screenshot2012061700150.png (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2012061700150.png/)

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/8523/screenshot2012061700150.png (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2012061700150.png/)

JMG
Jun 16, 2012, 11:25 PM
you and I are on the same page. When I said it wasn't a good sign, I'm referring to how Apple fans are becoming more hateful, more envious, more vocal. In years past, Apple owners knew we had the best product and didn't need to say anything. Now, even Apple has resorted to mud-slinging and name calling (wwdc comes to mind), which is something that never would have happened under Steve Jobs leadership. This isn't a good sign.

What about the "I'm a Mac. I'm a PC" ads? I think not much has changed over the past 6-7 years as far as Apple and their fan-base's attitude towards competing brands.

colour
Jun 16, 2012, 11:34 PM
Android is the least appealing mobile OS on the market currently. The OS itself is junk, the phones are mostly horrid, and its core business model is flawed which is why iOS eats 75% of the mobile profits with only 24% global share.

That's single handedly due to the ipad as tehy dominate that market by far.

Android tablets aren't as good as ipads yet, that will change in the next year though. In terms of mobile phones Android wins hands down, lets see what the new iOS will bring and the new iPhone (which doesn't look too promising). Anyone who thinks that samsung and HTC and Google aren't producing the best phones need to get of their fanboy chair.

DodgeV83
Jun 17, 2012, 12:08 AM
900k people a day think otherwise...

That data alone, does not disprove his statement that people think iOS is better, because it does not account for the people who think iOS is better, but cannot afford it.

I can walk into Walmart right now and buy a $69.88 Android phone off-contract and get unlimited text and data for $29.99 a month.

When the two items you're comparing have a highly variable cost, you cannot use sales numbers to prove which item people consider to be of highest quality.

chiefpavvy
Jun 17, 2012, 12:14 AM
People are weird this way - they prefer Android 2.x to iOS 5. Is Android that much better?

No, it's that much CHEAPER. Forget the geeks here who are willing to spend $700 for a phone - the average Joe takes the (free on contract) or $49 to $149 Android, whatever flavor of the weak (pun intended) it happens to be. :D

Frankied22
Jun 17, 2012, 12:15 AM
Just some proof I'd like to share regarding the nexus's battery.

An hour of screen usage and still at 83 percent.

Image (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2012061700145o.png/)

Image (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2012061700150.png/)

Image (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2012061700150.png/)

Are you using the Verizon galaxy nexus or the unlocked GSM version? I am contemplating buying it unlocked through android...just worried that it may be too much money for a little bit dated phone. It will be unlocked tho...

blackhand1001
Jun 17, 2012, 12:19 AM
Are you using the Verizon galaxy nexus or the unlocked GSM version? I am contemplating buying it unlocked through android...just worried that it may be too much money for a little bit dated phone. It will be unlocked tho...
Verizon version. But the GSM version is just as good if not better on battery.

JMG
Jun 17, 2012, 12:32 AM
Android tablets aren't as good as ipads yet, that will change in the next year though.

...assuming Apple is dead in the water in their tablet R&D. You really think there won't be an iPad4?


In terms of mobile phones Android wins hands down,


Really? Hands down? You shouldn't speak in terms of absolutes and subjective opinions shouldn't be considered fact. Doing so only discredits any other points which, themselves, might be valid, but are overshadowed by this mistake in judgement.



lets see what the new iOS will bring and the new iPhone (which doesn't look too promising).

So you have a spy inside of the apple iphone 5 dev team and know something most of us don't? You must... because to make a statement like that would require actual information, which no one really has. If you could share the source of your information that might give you some credibility.


Anyone who thinks that samsung and HTC and Google aren't producing the best phones need to get of their fanboy chair.

So far you have completely discredited yourself with lack of facts, wild speculation, and grand statements. Why should this last one have any more weight than your previous ones?

rjohnstone
Jun 17, 2012, 12:32 AM
That data alone, does not disprove his statement that people think iOS is better, because it does not account for the people who think iOS is better, but cannot afford it.

I can walk into Walmart right now and buy a $69.88 Android phone off-contract and get unlimited text and data for $29.99 a month.

When the two items you're comparing have a highly variable cost, you cannot use sales numbers to prove which item people consider to be of highest quality.
Nice strawman. :rolleyes:
You can go and get a 3GS for a penny or iPhone 4 for under $100.
Next excuse.

cynics
Jun 17, 2012, 12:44 AM
No, it's that much CHEAPER. Forget the geeks here who are willing to spend $700 for a phone - the average Joe takes the (free on contract) or $49 to $149 Android, whatever flavor of the weak (pun intended) it happens to be. :D

IPhone 4 is 99 and the 3GS is free on contract. If you can't afford free there isn't any cheaper alternative for you.

imeth
Jun 17, 2012, 12:53 AM
this post makes me that much more appreciate my iPhone 4s. I owned the first Jesus phone since 07... to now all under best carrier in the world AT&T. Love my discounts, customer service and DATA unlimited. Now recently I am kinda of bored and want to try the first ever Android device... Sprint's HTC EVO 4G LTE.. what should I do?

0m3ga
Jun 17, 2012, 01:15 AM
I will one up blackhand. This is the Galaxy S2 with a 3300mA battery. You think an iPhone could ever come close to this? This was also including a virus and malware scan of all phone system and 32gb external sd card data, which took nearly an hour to complete.

http://img.tapatalk.com/18179939-75f7-5f99.jpg

JMG
Jun 17, 2012, 01:21 AM
I will one up blackhand. This is the Galaxy S2 with a 3300mA battery. You think an iPhone could ever come close to this? This was also including a virus and malware scan of all phone system and 32gb external sd card data, which took nearly an hour to complete.

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/18179939-75f7-5f99.jpg)

...and despite this, I still got rid of mine for a 4S. I'm still happy with my decision.

imeth
Jun 17, 2012, 01:44 AM
If it wasn't for Apple, there would be no Android phones. The user experience is nothing like iOS and I mean that in a bad way. It just doesn't feel right. I love the simplicity of Apple products. There's a reason why they went from almost bankrupt to the world's top leading company now.

hell yes!! 2007 was their magic year... Jobs went out like a legend!!

I.Love.Apple
Jun 17, 2012, 01:50 AM
Aren't all but 3 droid makers bankrupt now

Aren't all but one iOS maker bankrupt now? And which Android makers exactly went bankrupt? Panasonic? Sharp? Samsung? Motorola? HTC? ZTE? Sony? LG? Pantech? Intel?

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...and despite this, I still got rid of mine for a 4S. I'm still happy with my decision.

Did you see your own signature? It does notlook like you really had a choice there. You seem to be one of those who think that it's Apple or nothing. Whatever works for you.

mbell1975
Jun 17, 2012, 01:56 AM
That data alone, does not disprove his statement that people think iOS is better, because it does not account for the people who think iOS is better, but cannot afford it.

I can walk into Walmart right now and buy a $69.88 Android phone off-contract and get unlimited text and data for $29.99 a month.

When the two items you're comparing have a highly variable cost, you cannot use sales numbers to prove which item people consider to be of highest quality.

LOL, right. Thats like saying the only reason the Toyota Camry was the best selling car for 10 years was due to the fact most of those buyers couldn't afford a Mercedes. In case you weren't aware, its been about 9 months now that you could get a 3gs for FREE and the 4 is only $99. Whats happened in the last 9 months? Android has devoured Apples marketshare lead that it had. By your logic, those people who couldn't afford $200 for an iPhone should have been able to afford one now, didn't matter, Android activations kept climbing.

0m3ga
Jun 17, 2012, 02:04 AM
LOL, right. Thats like saying the only reason the Toyota Camry was the best selling car for 10 years was due to the fact most of those buyers couldn't afford a Mercedes. In case you weren't aware, its been about 9 months now that you could get a 3gs for FREE and the 4 is only $99. Whats happened in the last 9 months? Android has devoured Apples marketshare lead that it had. By your logic, those people who couldn't afford $200 for an iPhone should have been able to afford one now, didn't matter, Android activations kept climbing.

I've never been a fan of these activation numbers by Google, because it encompasses all oem's. Do you think HTC and Samsung are high fiving each other because "Android" has a larger marketshare over iOS? Not likely. Plus, these BOGO phones, skew the numbers so you have an activation but no sale or profit.

Comparing one OEM to another in terms of sales, consumer confidence and profit are the true indicators of a successful company in the smartphone wars.

imeth
Jun 17, 2012, 02:04 AM
Android 2.3 is still quite a bit ahead of even ios6. Apple has a lot of work to do to catch up. Just look at the rating of the galaxy sii on at&t's site or the razr maxx on verizons. Even the budget oriented Galaxy s blaze on t mobile has top notch marks. People are more than happy with these phones. Same with the Rezound, droid 4, inspire 4g. Gingerbread is still a very good OS and the updates are taking some time because 4.0 is a pretty large update and not a minor refresh like ios6.

yeah but who the hell cares about all these android devices... it's like 1 released every day... ios takes time and effort along with knowing my phone will be good for a whole year... till the next iphone launch... I hate to have a samsung s3 than 2 months later s4 or a HTC android phone that tops that... smh

I.Love.Apple
Jun 17, 2012, 02:10 AM
yeah but who the hell cares about all these android devices... it's like 1 released every day... ios takes time and effort along with knowing my phone will be good for a whole year... till the next iphone launch... I hate to have a samsung s3 than 2 months later s4 or a HTC android phone that tops that... smh

Galaxy S phones are released once a year - just like iPhones. You are also missing the point that when new Andoid phone tops the previous ones it also tops iPhone. In fact, lately ihone never becoms a leader in spec department. There is always a faster (CPU, wirelesee and now even GPU) Android phone with higher resolution screen and more features (LTE, NFC, 12MP camera - you pick) on the market.

Lammercy
Jun 17, 2012, 02:16 AM
I love my iPhone and will never get rid of it... That being said, I'm pretty sure there are better phones out there ex. Nexus, Razr, Lumia.

0m3ga
Jun 17, 2012, 02:19 AM
yeah but who the hell cares about all these android devices... it's like 1 released every day... ios takes time and effort along with knowing my phone will be good for a whole year... till the next iphone launch... I hate to have a samsung s3 than 2 months later s4 or a HTC android phone that tops that... smh

More justification for the inherent inadequacies of the iPhone. Napolean syndrome, clinically speaking.

But I digress. I'm guessing you will never buy a computer or car, because a new and better one might come out the following month. Technology advances at a quick pace. A newer and better phone is always just around the corner.

LOLOMGWTFBBQ
Jun 17, 2012, 02:37 AM
A lot of fanboys in here.

I actually like Android, had one before I got the 4S.

Savor
Jun 17, 2012, 03:10 AM
A lot of fanboys in here.

I actually like Android, had one before I got the 4S. Same here. Use both. Enjoy both.

There was a time I was disappointed by Android. I felt it was a cheap knock-off of iOS when its first intention was to rip off BlackBerry phones. There are still alot of things I like iOS over Android too including polish, smoothness, and overall quality of apps. But as time passed, Android grew on me. I've used iOS for four yrs and it seems I'm bored with it. With Android, ICS made it look slick. There is variety too. There is more customization out of the box. The only modern OS that can still let me drag and drop my files from a computer without needing a program/app or BT transfer files. The one that can have an expandable memory slot, mini-SIM, and replaceable battery. Phones like the Lumia 800 lack that. My only knock is Android OEM's is really pushing the trend of big phones without too much options for ones in the 4-inch screen and under crowd. But I like Android. The notification system is still stellar. Apps that Windows Phone might lack, Android usually has it. Many iPhone fans wants metal and yet Android OEM's like HTC and Motorola has included that in their phones for the last few years. Check the unibody metal casing of the G2. Not all Android phones are plastic coming from Samsung. Premium and durable Android phones have been made before. They just werent marketed the way Apple does when it comes to design.

mbell1975
Jun 17, 2012, 03:21 AM
Same here. Use both. Enjoy both.

There was a time I was disappointed by Android. I felt it was a cheap knock-off of iOS when its first intention was to rip off BlackBerry phones. There are still alot of things I like iOS over Android too including polish, smoothness, and overall quality of apps. But as time passed, Android grew on me. I've used iOS for four yrs and it seems I'm bored with it. With Android, ICS made it look slick. There is variety too. There is more customization out of the box. The only modern OS that can still let me drag and drop my files from a computer without needing a program/app or BT transfer files. The one that can have an expandable memory slot, mini-SIM, and replaceable battery. Phones like the Lumia 800 lack that. My only knock is Android OEM's is really pushing the trend of big phones without too much options for ones in the 4-inch screen and under crowd. But I like Android. The notification system is still stellar. Apps that Windows Phone might lack, Android usually has it. Many iPhone fans wants metal and yet Android OEM's like HTC and Motorola has included that in their phones for the last few years. Check the unibody metal casing of the G2. Not all Android phones are plastic coming from Samsung. Premium and durable Android phones have been made before. They just werent marketed the way Apple does when it comes to design.

Agreed. As for your knock on Android about pushing larger phones....

http://www.bgr.com/2012/03/14/people-want-supersized-cell-phones-new-study-shows/

Technarchy
Jun 17, 2012, 03:23 AM
Agreed. As for your knock on Android about pushing larger phones....

http://www.bgr.com/2012/03/14/people-want-supersized-cell-phones-new-study-shows/

People want larger phones so much that the iPhone is the single best selling smart phone in the world...

mbell1975
Jun 17, 2012, 03:30 AM
People want larger phones so much that the iPhone is the single best selling smart phone in the world...

There are over 900,000 android phones activated every day. You can bet the vast majority of those are people who want a bigger phone than the iPhone :)

Technarchy
Jun 17, 2012, 03:33 AM
There are over 900,000 android phones activated every day. You can bet the vast majority of those are people who want a bigger phone than the iPhone :)

None of which sell better than the iPhone.

0m3ga
Jun 17, 2012, 03:36 AM
People want larger phones so much that the iPhone is the single best selling smart phone in the world...

Is there only one iPhone being sold and accounted for in your numbers? Or does it include the 3gs, 4 and 4S?

Either way, Samsung is actually tops in the world in both overall cell phone sales as well as the smartphone category. And the S3looks to have sold well over 10 million in just a couple of weeks.

mbell1975
Jun 17, 2012, 03:39 AM
None of which sell better than the iPhone.

Yep, because Android is all about freedom of choice. So no one device will dominate, people have different tastes. Different manufacturers, screen sizes, designs, colors, battery sizes, processors...you aren't tied to one phone a year with the same, boring design. Maybe you don't like choices, you just take what you are given, sad.

Technarchy
Jun 17, 2012, 03:47 AM
Yep, because Android is all about freedom of choice. So no one device will dominate, people have different tastes. Different manufacturers, screen sizes, designs, colors, battery sizes, processors...you aren't tied to one phone a year with the same, boring design. Maybe you don't like choices, you just take what you are given, sad.

My choice is not to sport junk, which by default means no android.

In a sense, you are right. I'd wager many iPhone users want a larger screen, but not at the expense of having to use garbage like android.

So really they want a larger screened iPhone, and not just a larger screen in itself.

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Is there only one iPhone being sold and accounted for in your numbers? Or does it include the 3gs, 4 and 4S?



Doesnt matter how you slice it. Any iPhone has sold more through to actual customers than any android phone.

The iPhone 3GS outsold every single android model in 2011. I'm not taling the 4 or 4S. Literally the 3GS, which is 3 years old.

depths
Jun 17, 2012, 04:00 AM
The Galaxy Nexus is a fantastic device. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably hasn't spent much time with one.

The ability to pick and choose kernels and roms should not be understated. Roms like cyanogenmod are at the cutting edge of smartphone development and awesome devs like fransisco Franco and his Franco kernel and accompanying app allow you to squeeze every drop of performance from your phone.

The Galaxy Nexus doesn't crash, there's only minor lag when opening one or two apps like g plus or the recent window and the screen can be tuned to any color you like.

I own a MacBook pro and an iPad 3.

My Galaxy Nexus is my favorite toy hands down.

Technarchy
Jun 17, 2012, 04:14 AM
The Galaxy Nexus is a fantastic device. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably hasn't spent much time with one.

The ability to pick and choose kernels and roms should not be understated. Roms like cyanogenmod are at the cutting edge of smartphone development and awesome devs like fransisco Franco and his Franco kernel and accompanying app allow you to squeeze every drop of performance from your phone.

The Galaxy Nexus doesn't crash, there's only minor lag when opening one or two apps like g plus or the recent window and the screen can be tuned to any color you like.

I own a MacBook pro and an iPad 3.

My Galaxy Nexus is my favorite toy hands down.

Sounds like that gimp camera, UI lag, and horrid pentile display are treating you well.

depths
Jun 17, 2012, 04:23 AM
I have $10000 invested in camera equipment, the Nexus camera does fine for quick snaps.

There is very little lag, if it bothers me I can open my kernel app, enable a full power profile and it disappears. Alternatively I can enable a low power setting and save a heap of battery.

As I mentioned the screen is fully adjustable. RGB and screen gamma can be tailored to your tastes and set on boot. White is white.
http://imgur.com/OvUwz

ChazUK
Jun 17, 2012, 04:25 AM
I've had the Galaxy S III for just over a week and can pretty much say that (for me personally) no other phone would perform as well or fit my needs as it does.

Performance wise, it blows my old Galaxy Nexus away from general usage and seems to have a better speeds when it comes to 3g.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2011622750.png
The fastest I got on my GN as around 7 to 10 meg.

The camera is superb, audio playback through headphones sounds great and having that SD card slot means it's more future proof than my 16gb Galaxy Nexus was. Even TouchWiz is far less intrusive than it ever has been and seeing what Samsung have enabled via USB host alone is amazing.

Now that the CyanogenMod 9 nightlies (http://www.xda-developers.com/android/official-cyanogenmod-9-nightly-builds-appear-for-the-galaxy-s-iii/) have startied for the SGS III, I doubt it'll be long until I'm trying out custom firmwares on the thing.

OP, you may thing the 4/4s are the best phones on the planet today but trust me when I say you don't speak for everybody. :)

nickchallis92
Jun 17, 2012, 06:50 AM
I thought the s2 was superb but the s3 takes phones to a new level. Far, far, far better than the 4s

omgitswes
Jun 17, 2012, 07:02 AM
And you guys wonder why people call you iSheep.
iOS is poor, granted I haven't had extended use with it. But the most frustrating part of it is there's so much you can't do. No way I could of kept an iphone for 2 years without getting bored with it. With Android phones if you get bored with the phone just flash a new rom and it's like a completely different phone. With iphones if you get bored with it, you buy the next one they put out and repeat.

FrankHahn
Jun 17, 2012, 07:25 AM
I just acquired an iPhone 4S to replace my Motorola Milestone 2. Having used my iPhone 4S (IP4S) for three days, I have felt a lot of differences. I list some of them in the following.

1. IP4S is much faster in doing everything.
2. IP4S has better Bluetooth.
3. IP4S has better built-in speakers.
4. IP4S has much better cameras.
5. IP4S weighs less.
6. IP4S is much better designed.
7. IP4S has much better aesthetics.
8. IP4S is more touch-pleasing.
9. IP4S is more visually attractive.
10. IP4S can smoothly integrate into my Mac computer system.
... ...

My very first mobile phone was from Motorola. I sticked to it in its up and down days. I have used five mobile phones from Motorola. From my experience with my IP4S, I do not think I will return to Motorola unless Apple stops making phones or goes to bankruptcy.

imeth
Jun 17, 2012, 07:29 AM
And you guys wonder why people call you iSheep.
iOS is poor, granted I haven't had extended use with it. But the most frustrating part of it is there's so much you can't do. No way I could of kept an iphone for 2 years without getting bored with it. With Android phones if you get bored with the phone just flash a new rom and it's like a completely different phone. With iphones if you get bored with it, you buy the next one they put out and repeat.

Yet you here in a Mac/Apple site defending your precious Android device that isn't even a lick of value after 2 years... I'm happy to be one of those isheep gets in the iLines at an Apple store waiting for my new iPhone on iDay every year.. Facetime>>Droid crap app, Siri>>>>any droid app voice

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More justification for the inherent inadequacies of the iPhone. Napolean syndrome, clinically speaking.

But I digress. I'm guessing you will never buy a computer or car, because a new and better one might come out the following month. Technology advances at a quick pace. A newer and better phone is always just around the corner.

Lol.. iPod feature on my 4S takes a fat dump on your music app. Thanks

imeth
Jun 17, 2012, 07:40 AM
Listen you android goons, it sucks how you guys come to an apple /Mac related forum to defend your big dump of a phone powered by android. Which probably you guys should thank Apple for releasing the iPhone in 07. To give you guys an idea to make a androidOS. My iPhone 4S in 2 years will still hold a good value on Craigslist or eBay, people around the world love and embrace this as the best phone. Notice android device got the ugly branded sign on their phones. Lol like ie Samsung got a big ol sign up top and HTC as well. While apple I love the sign in the back and when you start it up, you don't have to have all these reminders

chambone
Jun 17, 2012, 08:01 AM
Yes, this forum seems to attract non-apple folk with possibly not much of a life. But hey, keeps thing entertaining, right?

cynics
Jun 17, 2012, 08:45 AM
Is this the new Android thread started by an iPhone owner this hour?

I think if iOS was a little less boring every third thread wouldn't be about Android (and started by an iPhone user). Its like talking **** behind someones back but freaking out when your caught. I own an appreciate both, macrumors makes it easier for me because it's like a iPhone and Android forum.

onthecouchagain
Jun 17, 2012, 09:10 AM
The problem is, it's possible to get a really terrible Android handset. It's also possible to get a really magnificent one. Depending on which Android device people get, you'll have a rather large disparity of how "good" or "bad" Android is. It's just the nature of the beast.

sulpfiction
Jun 17, 2012, 09:50 AM
As a previous Android owner, I fully agree with this topic.


Android is complete crap. Its OS is awful and crashes constantly, its apps are horrible ports of their IOS brothers, online gaming is much less popular on android devices.

You have to check the specs of your device constantly when new games come out to make sure your phone can handle them, Your phone is outdated within 2 months because Android has the production cycle of a jack rabbit. The OS feels awful and it feels like your scrolling through glue.

Half of the apps only work for certain versions of the android OS, Android doesn't monitor their app store so 95% of the apps are total garbage.

Just an overall AWFUL experience.

^^exactly this. I don't understand people who constantly brag about android specs. better/bigger displays, faster browsers, widgets, live wallpaper, etc. When u put it all together it means nothing if the overall experience is just bad. EVERY android device I've tried is almost identical in terms of UI feel. I can't even get past the touch screen. It's no where near as smooth as iPhone. Even the newest phones still lag and stutter. Its something minor, and if u never used an iPhone, you might not really notice. But if you use an iPhone, it's a drastic night and day difference. The apps are horrid and the app store is just an unorganized junkyard of crap. The OS is unstable and neglected. And just about all of the hardware is cheap.

Android relies on gimmicks, "features" & individual specs to keep it interesting. It's never about the whole package as it should be.

IMO, iPhone is light years ahead of android when u look at the whole package. And I'm no fanboy. If there was another phone out there that was either on par or better then iPhone, I would have it. But there's not. I'd say widows is a close second, but as a whole package, not quite there yet.

Technarchy
Jun 17, 2012, 10:02 AM
Android relies on gimmicks, "features" & individual specs to keep it interesting. It's never about the whole package as it should be.



The android world just doesn't get it. They don't understand.

For android it has to be about the hardware and gimmicks because that is all there is. The Eco system is crap, the depreciation is high and the support is wretched on all kinds of levels.

As for an iOS user, their usually in an app and doing smartphone stuff, not dwelling on the OS itself, which is how it should be. This is why developers love iOS and why iOS makes far more money.

mbell1975
Jun 17, 2012, 10:31 AM
Even the newest phones still lag and stutter.
IMO, iPhone is light years ahead of android when u look at the whole package. And I'm no fanboy.

no they don't and iPhone light years ahead of Android? LOL, just the simpe fact the iPhone STILL lacks 4G makes it light years behind Android. Not to mention you still have to jailbreak one just to get the basic functionality you can get with a stock Android phone out of the box. Plus there are still limitations in ios you can't get past even with a jailbreak. iOS has become a little better now that Apple has taken most of the best Android features we have had for years and put them in iOS. However, it's still light years behind Android.

Darthdingo
Jun 17, 2012, 10:31 AM
"Iphone 4 and 4S still way better than any Android phone"

LOL, :rolleyes: dude lay off the drugs, killing your brain cells. Apple must be brainwashing people now too, Wow.

The Galaxy SII last year was better than the iPhone4, and the Galaxy-Nexus is also better than the iPhone4S, no fan boy comment, just the facts.

I am happy to go back to a future iPhone, if Apple adds these features;

- Larger screen, would love it right at like 4.3", at least 4" though.
- LED Notification light
- Widgets to the homescreen
- 4G
- Refresh the UI, the app drawer always open look is very dated
- New icons, the same ones from 2007 is outdated
- Get rid of the "Fisher-Price" toy theme all over the iPhone

I owned both the original iPhone and the iPhone3G, LOVED those phones at the time, felt like something from Star Trek, then one day I played with a friends brand new Nexus-One with a custom ROM on it, I was blown away by the customization and live Widgets on the screen, I was sold. Having owned all three Nexus phones, it will take a lot for me to come back to iPhone. This Fall I will again remain open minded to the iPhone-next, and the upcoming Nexus-5.0 Jellybean.

jazzneel
Jun 17, 2012, 10:41 AM
^^exactly this. I don't understand people who constantly brag about android specs. better/bigger displays, faster browsers, widgets, live wallpaper, etc. When u put it all together it means nothing if the overall experience is just bad. EVERY android device I've tried is almost identical in terms of UI feel. I can't even get past the touch screen. It's no where near as smooth as iPhone. Even the newest phones still lag and stutter. Its something minor, and if u never used an iPhone, you might not really notice. But if you use an iPhone, it's a drastic night and day difference. The apps are horrid and the app store is just an unorganized junkyard of crap. The OS is unstable and neglected. And just about all of the hardware is cheap.

Android relies on gimmicks, "features" & individual specs to keep it interesting. It's never about the whole package as it should be.

IMO, iPhone is light years ahead of android when u look at the whole package. And I'm no fanboy. If there was another phone out there that was either on par or better then iPhone, I would have it. But there's not. I'd say widows is a close second, but as a whole package, not quite there yet.

Have you actually used an android phone for more than a month? Let me be more specific-have you used a high end android phone for more than a month? Because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There are so many apps on the Play Store, and most work very well. Yes, there are a bunch of apps that are garbage and shouldn't be on there, but it's not the majority! FYI, on the iPhone app store, there are many apps that are garbage as well, that should plain not be on there (as in they don't work very well and crash many times).

I've probably downloaded over 200 different apps in my time with android, and about 100 so far with my iPhone. The ones that are the same app, they run almost similarly if not 100% the same on both. You have to look at the reviews, and see what apps are the good ones and which ones are bad (since there are many times multiple versions of the same app). I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say the play store is a "non-organized junkyard of crap." It's organized the same way as the iPhone app store, and I have no trouble finding any app I need...


When you say "The OS is unstable and neglected. And just about all of the hardware is cheap," what do you exactly mean? How is it unstable? Out of every single android phone I've used, I've never had it crash unless I'm doing custom ROMs or messing around with the internals. And neglected? How about the hundreds of developers who make custom roms, or the hundreds of programmers making games for android? Yes, the iPHone app store has a bigger selection, and developers are more inclined to make a game for iPhone first, but the biggest reason is due to the fragmentation of android (which is the biggest problem it has IMO), otherwise they would obviously choose the biggest market share in the world to develop for! High end app makers are still coming to the Play Store, as there have been many new games on it recently that were only available to iOS.

"Android relies on gimmicks, "features" & individual specs to keep it interesting. It's never about the whole package as it should be."

How exactly is a bigger screen, a better GPU and processor a gimmick?? So if the iPhone 5 has all 3 of these, it must be a gimmick too right? Or maybe they should all just downgrade and keep a 600mhz processor, since it seems that is what you are looking for? Android has so many different types of phones, and is meant for people to choose what they want. That is the whole point of having so many different types! I have no experienced any lag in my previous android (GSII), nor have my friends/family with the other types of Android handsets. If you get a free android, then yes you will experience lag since it's specs are lower. The iPhone 3G and 3GS are laggy with the new iOS5 (and even iOS4), due to the lower specs (and older phone of course).

You say you are not a fan boy, but clearly you are. Neither of the two systems are perfect and have their limitations, but saying one is garbage while the other is not indicates you are just a typical fanboy who has no idea what he/she is talking about.

I switched to iPhone, and I love it. It's an amazing phone and if the iPhone 5 has items I want, I will most definitely switch to it. But I can see that iOS is not perfect, and neither is Android!

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"Iphone 4 and 4S still way better than any Android phone"

LOL, :rolleyes: dude lay off the drugs, killing your brain cells. Apple must be brainwashing people now too, Wow.

The Galaxy SII last year was better than the iPhone4, and the Galaxy-Nexus is also better than the iPhone4S, no fan boy comment, just the facts.

I am happy to go back to a future iPhone, if Apple adds these features;

- Larger screen, would love it right at like 4.3", at least 4" though.
- LED Notification light
- Widgets to the homescreen
- Refresh the UI, the app drawer always open look is very dated
- New icons, the same ones from 2007 is outdated
- Get rid of the "Fisher-Price" toy theme all over the iPhone

I would love a 4" screen, and LED Notification Light. (along with 4g). I'm really hoping they do that!! And I think the GSII came out right before the iPhone 4S, so it would be more fair to compare that to the iPhone 4S instead of the 4. They are definitely comparable though. (I just came to the iPhone 4S from a GSII).

Darthdingo
Jun 17, 2012, 10:43 AM
Great post Jazz, very honest opinion, and I agree with you, both OS are great at different things, my #1 beef with the iPhone is the tiny wristwatch sized screen, after having 4.3" and 4.6" screens, could never downgrade to a 3.5".

Samsung Galaxy SII released April 2011, Apple iPhone4S released October 2011.

chiefpavvy
Jun 17, 2012, 10:47 AM
The android world just doesn't get it. They don't understand.

For android it has to be about the hardware and gimmicks because that is all there is. The Eco system is crap, the depreciation is high and the support is wretched on all kinds of levels.

As for an iOS user, their usually in an app and doing smartphone stuff, not dwelling on the OS itself, which is how it should be. This is why developers love iOS and why iOS makes far more money.

Precisely.

For Android it is always "Quad-core CPU!" "2 gigs of RAM!" "128GB storage!"
They still don't understand that regular Joe could care less. They don't know the specifications of the phone/device and they don't care. It comes down to the software and the overall user experience.

And yes, developers love iOS, because they actually make money and get paid. Imagine that!

skywalkerr69
Jun 17, 2012, 10:56 AM
Well let's see, there is HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola as the main Android smartphone makers, and I don't believe any of the FOUR are bankrupt? Not sure where you are getting your info from, but might want to change your source! :)

And I actually think it's fun that they add names to their systems, why not?

I'm assuming you are a hardcore apple fanboy, nice to meet you. :cool:

Actually Motorola was bought by google because they were in horrid financial shape. So that leaves 3

Yeah it's a lot of fun if your 3. woooooweeeeee

SixSixItalian
Jun 17, 2012, 10:56 AM
Ok, first I just want to say that I haves owned many different phones. Never a Windows phone. Just back and forth between the iPhone and Android phones. I liked the phones I had at the time. While I will say that the Android phones I had all had better specs across the board, they were hardly noticeable. I just sold my Droid Razr MAXX which had the "dual core" processor. Barely noticeable. The screen, when compared to the iPhone was miles behind. I like Android, and they have a lot of potential. But I always end up going back to the iPhone.

nickchallis92
Jun 17, 2012, 11:00 AM
Apple fan boys drive me nuts. I hate how their opinions of android phones are based off common misconceptions they've heard.

The galaxy s2 was as fast and smooth as the 4s and came out half a year earlier, but of course this is always conveniently ignored

mbell1975
Jun 17, 2012, 11:01 AM
Ok, first I just want to say that I haves owned many different phones. Never a Windows phone. Just back and forth between the iPhone and Android phones. I liked the phones I had at the time. While I will say that the Android phones I had all had better specs across the board, they were hardly noticeable. I just sold my Droid Razr MAXX which had the "dual core" processor. Barely noticeable. The screen, when compared to the iPhone was miles behind. I like Android, and they have a lot of potential. But I always end up going back to the iPhone.

Funny, I sold my 4s and kept my Maxx. 4G LTE, much better battery, expandable memory and SD card, better build quality, larger display and it's far more customizable than the 4s. Easy choice.

jazzneel
Jun 17, 2012, 11:02 AM
Actually Motorola was bought by google because they were in horrid financial shape. So that leaves 3

Yeah it's a lot of fun if your 3. woooooweeeeee

Please make informed statements before posting, as you sound like you are 3.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/22/technology/google-motorola/index.htm

Some quotes:

"Buying Motorola gives Google (GOOG, Fortune 500) access to more than 17,000 patents, plus an extra 7,500 that are awaiting approval. The search giant said it plans to use those patents to ward off lawsuits from Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) and Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) that threaten Google's popular Android mobile operating system."

"But some industry experts believe that Google is after much more than a patent mine. It's now playing in Apple territory. Buying Motorola gives Google the ability to control both hardware and software, by making its own integrated smartphones and other devices."

Frankied22
Jun 17, 2012, 11:03 AM
Apple fan boys drive me nuts. I hate how their opinions of android phones are based off common misconceptions they've heard.

The galaxy s2 was as fast and smooth as the 4s and came out half a year earlier, but of course this is always conveniently ignored


You can't convince them with words. I guess people just have to try these newer high end Android handsets for themselves. I think a lot of these people defending Apple fervently have never tried phones like the SGII, One X, Galaxy Nexus, or SGIII

chiefpavvy
Jun 17, 2012, 11:06 AM
The only reason Google bought Motorola was patents. Their portfolio was woefully weak in the mobile space. And they overpaid big time, cost them dearly.

I know fAndroids want to believe Google had a master plan all along to acquire Motorola and produce some next generation perfect "Google Phone" but that just doesn't square with reality.

Darthdingo
Jun 17, 2012, 11:12 AM
I will say I am very interested in seeing what Microsoft + Nokia bake up for their next gen Windows 8 phones, due this Fall/Winter. Supposedly will be multi-core, have a "Retina" type display, a much much larger app store, and redesigned UI.

Don't write off the Windows phones just yet, I think over the next couple of years they will surprise a lot of people. I think 2013 will be their break out year, where they finally get recognized as a top tier phone.

jazzneel
Jun 17, 2012, 11:14 AM
The only reason Google bought Motorola was patents. Their portfolio was woefully weak in the mobile space. And they overpaid big time, cost them dearly.

I know fAndroids want to believe Google had a master plan all along to acquire Motorola and produce some next generation perfect "Google Phone" but that just doesn't square with reality.

I agree that the biggest reason was for the patents for all the lawsuits, but I would say that was probably 75% of the reason. But how did Google "over pay big time?" Not quite sure I understand your logic. Is this based on the share market price, how much $$ google has to pay for it, etc? And how did it cost them dearly?? I don't see Google going down the tank, and filing for chapter 11? That would be paying "dearly."

Buying motorola helps Google compete better in the tablet and other markets as well, because let's face it, the iPAD is A) Well made and an amazing piece of electronic B) will probably be the best selling tablet for years to come. There are some awesome android tablets which can compete with the iPad in terms of specs, but IMO google still needs to make the tablet experience better to fully compete.

And no obviously there was no master plan to buy, but it's business. You change your direction as your company grows, and as time passes. Google realized that buying Motorola was in their best interests, and made it happen!

skywalkerr69
Jun 17, 2012, 11:28 AM
Please make informed statements before posting, as you sound like you are 3.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/22/technology/google-motorola/index.htm

Some quotes:

"Buying Motorola gives Google (GOOG, Fortune 500) access to more than 17,000 patents, plus an extra 7,500 that are awaiting approval. The search giant said it plans to use those patents to ward off lawsuits from Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) and Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) that threaten Google's popular Android mobile operating system."

"But some industry experts believe that Google is after much more than a patent mine. It's now playing in Apple territory. Buying Motorola gives Google the ability to control both hardware and software, by making its own integrated smartphones and other devices."

Wow you're smart, well if you actually know how to read financial statements instead of googling news you would find on their 10-K filings they haven't reported a positive income since 2009. They also had negative earnings per share since the 1st quarter of 2010.

JayLenochiniMac
Jun 17, 2012, 12:09 PM
I've probably downloaded over 200 different apps in my time with android, and about 100 so far with my iPhone. The ones that are the same app, they run almost similarly if not 100% the same on both. You have to look at the reviews, and see what apps are the good ones and which ones are bad (since there are many times multiple versions of the same app).

I think most iPhone users would rather not waste time looking at reviews to screen multiple versions of the same app and instead download the only app that works (unless of course there's an ad-free version if we feel like paying $1 or 2 for it).

mbell1975
Jun 17, 2012, 12:22 PM
I will say I am very interested in seeing what Microsoft + Nokia bake up for their next gen Windows 8 phones, due this Fall/Winter. Supposedly will be multi-core,

Thats a joke considering Nokia's retarded CEO just said this a few months ago...

"The so-called dual-core, quad-core mobile phones can only waste batteries, but not be useful for consumers all the time,


http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/really-nokia-ceo-says-multi-core-processors-are-a-waste/

JayLenochiniMac
Jun 17, 2012, 12:38 PM
Funny how so many Android users are frequenting the iPhone forums.

Name one Android that can get $450ish (jailbroken and unlocked) when you sell on ebay, which will pay for the next model plus some.

SixSixItalian
Jun 17, 2012, 12:48 PM
You can't convince them with words. I guess people just have to try these newer high end Android handsets for themselves. I think a lot of these people defending Apple fervently have never tried phones like the SGII, One X, Galaxy Nexus, or SGIII

Or maybe they have tried them and just didn't like them. Or Android in general? Personally, I don't see the need for a quad core phone with tons of RAM. I have a laptop and a high end desktop for that. It's a phone. I use my phone for calls, texting and some occasional web browsing. I'm not trying to run a small business off of it.

I'm certainly NOT an Apple fanboy by any means. I buy what I like, regardless of who's name is on it. If it does what I need it to then I'll buy it. In fact, I had an Android phone I loved very much. The Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket. I just ended up breaking it on accident. Why did I go back to the iPhone instead of buying another Galaxy S2 Skyrocket? Because they wanted to charge me full retail so it was easier to join another carrier and get a discount.

Furthermore, why does everyone care what kind of phone someone else has? If you like Android, wonderful. If you want an iPhone and it works for you, fantastic. It kills me how people always say "oh that phone sucks compared to mine". Who cares! Buy what works for you and enjoy it. After all, it's only a phone.

sentinelsx
Jun 17, 2012, 12:49 PM
hai guzy is dis where we fight ovar cellfones?

chiefpavvy
Jun 17, 2012, 12:50 PM
Funny how so many Android users are frequenting the iPhone forums.

Name one Android that can get $450ish (jailbroken and unlocked) when you sell on ebay, which will pay for the next model plus some.

It is interesting, isn't it. All these Android lovers hanging out on an Apple forum. Hmmm....You'd almost think they were trying to justify something or compensate for something....

And yes, resale value of Apple products is always great. Just another benefit.

0m3ga
Jun 17, 2012, 12:57 PM
Funny how so many Android users are frequenting the iPhone forums.

Name one Android that can get $450ish (jailbroken and unlocked) when you sell on ebay, which will pay for the next model plus some.

Really? Because morons that throw money away at used phones is a way for you to justify how good your phone is? Do you not see how crazy some of you sound? It's blissfully ignorant.

And by the way, I can get over $400 for my S2, but I wouldn't be obtuse enough to sell on ebay and pay fees to both paypal and ebay.

vikingjunior
Jun 17, 2012, 12:59 PM
Wow. Just... Wow. This thread is just another affirmation of why Apple will never fail. I have many Apple products and think the ones I have are great, but lately either some iPhone owners are beginning to feel really insecure or Samsungs success is making Apple lovers hate Android more and become more vocal. Either way, it is not a good sign.

This is it exactly!

Go look on Android Forums and you will not find all these threads defending Android. Apple fans are in denial.

chiefpavvy
Jun 17, 2012, 01:04 PM
And by the way, I can get over $400 for my S2, but I wouldn't be obtuse enough to sell on ebay and pay fees to both paypal and ebay.

I can sell one of my old 3GS for $300 too. There's a sucker born every minute. :D :D :D

(And I see many GS II going for around $275 to $300 the $400 figure would be a brand new in the box unit...maybe.)

One cannot deny the fact that Apple products retain their value. Androids drop like a rock when the next flavor of the weak ships.

Technarchy
Jun 17, 2012, 01:04 PM
You can't convince them with words. I guess people just have to try these newer high end Android handsets for themselves. I think a lot of these people defending Apple fervently have never tried phones like the SGII, One X, Galaxy Nexus, or SGIII

I owned a GSII on Sprint and AT&T.

They were the straw that broke the camels back and made me get an iPhone.

chiefpavvy
Jun 17, 2012, 01:05 PM
This is it exactly!

Go look on Android Forums and you will not find all these threads defending Android. Apple fans are in denial.

Maybe because Apple guys don't waste their time trolling fAndroid forums? We have better things to do. And no inferiority complex.

JayLenochiniMac
Jun 17, 2012, 01:08 PM
Really? Because morons that throw money away at used phones is a way for you to justify how good your phone is? Do you not see how crazy some of you sound? It's blissfully ignorant.

I couldn't care less about these morons who pay around $450 for a one-year-old iPhone with some obvious scratches, nor do I consider it as evidence of how good our phones are. I only care about getting enough to pay for my next iPhone.

cynics
Jun 17, 2012, 01:27 PM
Maybe because Apple guys don't waste their time trolling fAndroid forums? We have better things to do. And no inferiority complex.

Caught me!! My phone is so inferior, that why I defend Android!!

http://img.tapatalk.com/aefc62c8-20c0-66f9.jpg

My inferior 4S.

Is that hard to believe that there are people out there that are open minded enough to own and use both or even Android, iOS and windows? Anyone that hard core bashes any of them needs to take a step back an reevaluate their lives. It's a damn mobile OS, get over it already.

monkeybagel
Jun 17, 2012, 01:33 PM
I have owned both platforms. I was hoping to get an iPhone like phone on Verizon before it was released on the network, so I got a Droid X when it came out.

Overall, the phone was not terrible, but I would never own another android device.

The support on the phone broken. The way OS updates have to trickle down to the handsets do not work well. Google must develop the OS and send it to the OEMs. The OEMs customize it to work with their hardware. Then, the OEMs must get the blessing of the carriers and load the bloatware (think consumer Windows PCs) on top of that, and then finally several months later, it makes it to your handset.

There was a version on the HTC Incredible that had a security flaw where if you logged into a Google service through an open WiFi network, your credentials were exposed (it was not SSL encrypted). I am not sure if this ever was fixed as the handset was over a year old and HTC stopped releasing updates for it.

Another thing is that the Market at the time had so much junk in it. Any 12-year old that got a book and there mom and dad got them a phone put stupid stuff on the market, and it really diluted the quality of software. Not to mention the security related to these questionable applications. When Verizon told me I should install security software on the Droid when I bought it, I pretty much knew this was not the phone for me. This is a phone. It has a lot of sensitive information on it and it should be hardened from the factory.

The battery life was not that great. Occasionally I could not hear callers at all. The only way to resolve this would be to reboot the phone.

The last straw on that phone was the fact that I sent a work email and never received a response. I ended up sending about 12 that day. Never got a reply on any of them. Then I looked in my Outbox, and they were all hung. There was no way to send them, and I had to delete all of them, and compose them again from a computer. That made my mind of that this was not a business phone, this was more of a toy - an open handheld computer to tinker with. Google maps' navigation feature was totally off on some routes and unreliable. And that phone I believe is stuck on Android 2.3.

The iPhone on the other hand does not have the customizable stuff (widgets, etc.) that the android does. But it just works. The email is reliable. The OS is reliable. It has nice features like AirPlay, iTunes match, a great camera, and pre-screened apps to prevent the 12 year olds from hijacking your phone or stealing your information.

For a phone, I had much rather have a "closed" system like the iPhone instead of the Android. Not the case at all with computers, but for a phone, yes. If I were to move away from the iPhone, I would either go back to a BlackBerry, or to the Windows Phone.

Would you buy a phone from doubleclick.net? That is essentially what a Google phone is. Google is an ad company that just so happens to do search. I do not trust ad companies.

vikingjunior
Jun 17, 2012, 01:36 PM
Maybe because Apple guys don't waste their time trolling fAndroid forums? We have better things to do. And no inferiority complex.

OK so only Android users troll. What does Apple make you sign an agreement that you won't troll when they allow you one of their iphones?

The title of this thread "way better" proves the OP has never used an Android other then in the store.

blackhand1001
Jun 17, 2012, 01:38 PM
Are you using the Verizon galaxy nexus or the unlocked GSM version? I am contemplating buying it unlocked through android...just worried that it may be too much money for a little bit dated phone. It will be unlocked tho...

Here. I left it unplugged overnight to show you that it doesn't drain much at all when on idle.
Over 3 hours of screen on time and still have more than 40% left after 14 hours. And no I don't have one of those stupid looking 3400mah battery's that bulges out and makes the phone ugly. With more average usage like 1 hours of screen on a day I could easily go several days at a time on battery. I have an exchange activesync email with push on and my gmail is also synced. This is without Juice defender or any battery usage apps either. The wifi radio is always on as is mobile data. If I installed on of those apps I probably could eek out even more. I can only imagine what a razr maxx on ics could do as far as battery life since its battery is almost twice the size and it uses a similar omap soc 4430 vs 4460 in the nexus. ICS is butter smooth on here as well. No lag, scrolling is 60fps as is pinch to zoom.

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reefoid
Jun 17, 2012, 02:47 PM
Maybe because Apple guys don't waste their time trolling fAndroid forums? We have better things to do.

Better things to do? Like hanging around Apple forums bitching about Android?;)

The irony is that these flame threads are invariably started by iPhone owners saying how crap they think Android is and yet I rarely see the opposite situation on Android forums.

JayLenochiniMac
Jun 17, 2012, 02:50 PM
The irony is that these flame threads are invariably started by iPhone owners saying how crap they think Android is and yet I rarely see the opposite situation on Android forums.

More accurately, iPhone owners who came from Androids or have contemplating switching over. The rest of us don't care or think about Androids. Really.

blackhand1001
Jun 17, 2012, 03:12 PM
More accurately, iPhone owners who came from Androids or have contemplating switching over. The rest of us don't care or think about Androids. Really.

You know this is a Mac forum. Not everyone here has to use every apple product they make. Also the iPhone owner who started this thread is the one who started the debate. I have used both platforms, I hugely prefer my Galaxy nexus over my ipad 2 and when the nexus tablet comes out I am gonna pick one up. And verses the iphones its even more of a landslide for me.

SurferMan
Jun 17, 2012, 03:16 PM
Everytime I see these threads I just have to laugh, inferior OS? Unresponsive screens? yadda yadda yadda. Their actually very similar, the biggest difference is stock Android allows you tons more customizations to your liking and tweeks even right down to custom icons and themes with various launchers. Otherwise, you want to make a call you click "Phone" on both OSs, browse the internet you click the "browser" in both OSs, go through contacts you click "contacts" on both OSs, want to make folders you make folders on both OSs, want to open those folders you click the "folder" on both OSs....and so on and so on.... wow that is so different and complicated :rolleyes: Basically the iPhone is just like the app drawer in Android, the difference is Android let's you choose what you want on your home screens from the app drawer.

I've said it before that I was not an Android fan, but after getting my GSII I love it. We still have iPhones, I just prefer the GSII for my use. Stock it was just as smooth and fast as iOS5 on the 4S, and better on battery life then both 4Ss we had (only 1 now), and with the custom ICS Rom I'm running now it absolutely kills our 4S in battery life in heavy use and about even with our 4 which was easily way better than the 4S in terms of battery life

I don't necessarily think one is greatly better than the other, it just comes down to what you prefer and I ended up loving how I set this phone up and integrated with everything from business to even my Apple stuff. To call one or the other inferior is nothing more than kool-aid drinking fanboism on either side.

JayLenochiniMac
Jun 17, 2012, 03:19 PM
You know this is a Mac forum. Not everyone here has to use every apple product they make.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it's interesting that Android users are frequenting this iPhone sub-forum in large numbers.

Also the iPhone owner who started this thread is the one who started the debate.

And this iPhone owner has owned Android(s) in the past, so my point stands that pretty much the only iPhone users who think about Androids are those who came from them or considered them at some point. The rest of us don't care.

blackhand1001
Jun 17, 2012, 03:24 PM
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it's interesting that Android users are frequenting this iPhone sub-forum in large numbers.



And this iPhone owner has owned Android(s) in the past, so my point stands that pretty much the only iPhone users who think about Androids are those who came from them or considered them at some point. The rest of us don't care.

I don't think thats 100% true. Almost every iphone user I come across most of who are one their first smartphone always asks me what phone I have and they seem genuinely interested in my phone. I already know several people that have played with my phone and have sold there iphones and got the nexus. And in my experience the galaxy nexus gets significantly better battery life than the iphone 4s in both idle and screen on and has much better reception.

JayLenochiniMac
Jun 17, 2012, 03:49 PM
I don't think thats 100% true. Almost every iphone user I come across most of who are one their first smartphone always asks me what phone I have and they seem genuinely interested in my phone. I already know several people that have played with my phone and have sold there iphones and got the nexus.

That's precisely my point. Those are the very iPhone users who would switch to Androids then come back here comparing them. Those who don't care about Androids wouldn't even ask about your Android in the first place, and lots of us here are like that.

blackhand1001
Jun 17, 2012, 04:06 PM
That's precisely my point. Those are the very iPhone users who would switch to Androids then come back here comparing them. Those who don't care about Androids wouldn't even ask about your Android in the first place, and lots of us here are like that.

Well that's kind of dumb. Not being open to other options is bad in the long run. I play with every mobile platform and keep up with all of them. The people that asked me about my phone weren't tech people either. Mostly women in their 40s and some younger people. People are definitely interested in android phones. Its most of the younger college age people that have been brainwashed into thinking that the only phone that works is the iPhone.

chiefpavvy
Jun 17, 2012, 04:22 PM
Well that's kind of dumb. Not being open to other options is bad in the long run. I play with every mobile platform and keep up with all of them. The people that asked me about my phone weren't tech people either. Mostly women in their 40s and some younger people. People are definitely interested in android phones. Its most of the younger college age people that have been brainwashed into thinking that the only phone that works is the iPhone.

That is because they're broke. A "Free" or $49 handset looks pretty good to them! Get a little older, have a house full of Macs and iPhones and iPads and Apple TVs etc. and you quickly realize how great it all works together and how wonderful the ecosystem really is. Android will never have that -- it's a disparate hodge-podge of stuff from different vendors that just doesn't work together like Apple does. My favorite quote from recent Android folks (regular Joes, not geeks) "Where is iTunes? How do I get my stuff on my phone?"

mbell1975
Jun 17, 2012, 04:25 PM
That is because they're broke. A "Free" or $49 handset looks pretty good to them! Get a little older, have a house full of Macs and iPhones and iPads and Apple TVs etc. and you quickly realize how great it all works together and how wonderful the ecosystem really is. Android will never have that -- it's a disparate hodge-podge of stuff from different vendors that just doesn't work together like Apple does. My favorite quote from recent Android folks (regular Joes, not geeks) "Where is iTunes? How do I get my stuff on my phone?"

So Androids only sell to broke people because they are cheap? Lol, typical iPhone snob. I suppose Windows dominates PC sales because they are cheap and sell to broke people too right?

chiefpavvy
Jun 17, 2012, 04:29 PM
So Androids only sell to broke people? Lol, typical iPhone snob.

No, although we both know the vast, vast majority of Android handsets sold are defined as entry level to low end. That's the bulk of the business. Most folks walk in and take whatever is free or nearly so ($49 etc) with a new contract every 2 years. Those of us willing to pay up-front $700 or more for a handset are an extremely tiny minority.

The point I was making was in reference to the poster speaking about all these supposed college kids being dazzled by Android. As they tend to be not so well off financially during that time I think Android's popularity with that subsection is fairly easy and obvious to explain.

Yumunum
Jun 17, 2012, 04:39 PM
So yes there's some 4, 5" phones, 16, 32GB handsets, great sound quality, more free apps on Android but STILL I don't get it. I really dislike the feel of Android. The App store bores me, the games are less superior especially free ones. The screens are much more unresponsive and the screen depth of text still doesn't match the retina. The build quality sucks on Samsungs. You just have to hold the Iphone vs the Samsung. Yes it's a bad idea to drop the Iphone but if you are careful it's a much smarter well made handset.

Galaxy note was almost as big as the Playbook. I tried most tablets in a store and found the playbook to be faster and more unique in design. The Android tablets were too complicated. The Galaxy had no home button unlike the Ipad and wiglets were annoying.

I go into phone shops all the time and they always dish the Iphone and say it's got crap signal, Android do better with there OS updates and this phone is much newer and better sound. Don't believe it.

The Iphone is much more interesting to use with Ibooks, the better app store, texting, surfing is smoother even was back in the 3GS days. The Iphone camera is better than any 5 or 8MP I've seen, Facetime is better than the dud 3G calls we had years ago.

It reminds me of the Sony Ericsson handsets they always had so much missing that Samsung never had but the K750i, K800i, C905 were all iconic flagship phones. Since Android came in it's been dull production lines of phones. Bigger memory, BIGGER screen, BIGGER camera like 12 mega pixels too much for a camera phone but they seem think it's better.

Give me IOS6 over any of these Android production line clones any day. 200 new features and a decent OS which works. Being honest there's not one handset I like. The odd Windows phone has got my eye but there's few others I'd prefer to own.

No doubt about it Iphone is the best all round smart phone money can buy. Iphone 3GS to the 4 to the 4S. Might lack some IOS6 features but from budget to high end comparison I'd much rather have the Iphone. Anybody agree?

The things you dislike about Android/Android phones. Taken from your post:

-boring app store
-games are worse, especially the free ones
-screens are less responsive
-text isn't as crisp as retina display (?)
-Samsung phones' build quality isn't good
-too complicated
-Samsung tablet didn't have a home button
-widgets are annoying
-worse texting
-less-smooth surfing
-worse cameras

Now I will discuss each of your points.

-boring app store
Describe "boring." If you're talking about design, I'd be really surprised to hear you say that. This doesn't look dull to me (http://www.teamandroid.com/2012/04/02/download-google-play-store-3-5-15-apk-for-android-phones/). If you're talking about apps, well, then I'd have to ask you: What are you wanting? Are the important apps not on there? Android's store has become quite large. I'm not sure what you mean by "boring."
-games are worse, especially the free ones
This one is totally true. But... this may matter to you, but there are other people out there who don't want to spend their time playing games. I don't know if this could be considered super important.
-screens are less responsive
Touch-sensitivity-wise? Or what? This could all depend on the display. As far as responsiveness on the software, I think you'll find that lists/pages scroll faster on Android than they do on iOS, which may make things feel more responsive.
-text isn't as crisp as retina display (?)
True for most Android phones. But pick up something like the HTC One X and you might be blown away.
-Samsung phones' build quality isn't good
If you're talking about the materials, this is what I have to say: Looks on the phone isn't everything. The plastic is more durable than glass, so that's something to think about. And there's a good chance you're just going to stick your phone in a case anyways, and then neither phones' materials will matter.
-too complicated
How is this a bad thing? Android has more choice.
-Samsung tablet didn't have a home button
That may be important to you but that doesn't mean it's important to everyone else.
-widgets are annoying
You don't have to use widgets if you don't want to.
-worse texting
How is texting worse on Android? iOS and Android texting apps are super similar. And besides, you have more options in Android texting apps.
-less-smooth surfing
This can be true a lot of the time. But if you want smooth experiences, use something like the HTC One X, the Galaxy S II, or the Galaxy S III. There's a good chance you won't be disappointed.
-worse cameras
Android cameras have more options than the iPhone. Some high end Android phones also have cameras very close to the iPhone 4S's. Not only that, but you can actually get the EXACT same camera sensor that the iPhone 4S uses in the Galaxy S III. Then you'll have the best sensor with tons of options. Nice, eh?

On a side note, Android tablets can be pretty slow and miserable. OP, if you haven't already done this, I HIGHLY recommend you use an HTC One X. Big and crisp screen, fast camera, smooth OS. It's nice.

jazzneel
Jun 17, 2012, 04:45 PM
No, although we both know the vast, vast majority of Android handsets sold are defined as entry level to low end. That's the bulk of the business. Most folks walk in and take whatever is free or nearly so ($49 etc) with a new contract every 2 years. Those of us willing to pay up-front $700 or more for a handset are an extremely tiny minority.

The point I was making was in reference to the poster speaking about all these supposed college kids being dazzled by Android. As they tend to be not so well off financially during that time I think Android's popularity with that subsection is fairly easy and obvious to explain.

Are you just going to continue to make up stuff? You understand that the GSII was the best selling android smartphone in the world-which is a HIGH end phone. And the GSIII has already broken records that the GSII previously held. So no, the vast vast majority is NOT low end phones. Where do you get your information from, seriously??

And for "free" phones, you understand that the 3GS is free right now with a 2 year contract correct? That is on par with the low end android phones. And it is extremely laggy and can't handle many of the apps well either. How do I know this? A bunch of my friends still have the 3gs, and I hear this from them every day.

0m3ga
Jun 17, 2012, 04:46 PM
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it's interesting that Android users are frequenting this iPhone sub-forum in large numbers.



And this iPhone owner has owned Android(s) in the past, so my point stands that pretty much the only iPhone users who think about Androids are those who came from them or considered them at some point. The rest of us don't care.

Considering I have had iPhones for 4 years, jailbroke them and even decided to put up a few tweaks on Cydia for others to use, not to mention I have 4 ATV's, a MBP, 27"iMac, 2x iPad2's and still have an iP4... I believe I qualify to post in this section. Hell, I have even driven to the Cupertino HQ Apple home store just to say I have been there. I'm still a fan of Apple products.

However, I am also very capable of distinguishing the differences between the iP4 and my Galaxy S2 and in a couple of days my S3. I have never said the iphone was bad, just antiquated when compared to these newer phones. Phones you haven't used, and are apparently still basing your opinions old data before ICS and phones like the S3. I don't drink the kool-aid and bought what is considered by most people, THE best phone. Over 10 million pre-orders pretty much proves that.

blackhand1001
Jun 17, 2012, 04:52 PM
No, although we both know the vast, vast majority of Android handsets sold are defined as entry level to low end. That's the bulk of the business. Most folks walk in and take whatever is free or nearly so ($49 etc) with a new contract every 2 years. Those of us willing to pay up-front $700 or more for a handset are an extremely tiny minority.

The point I was making was in reference to the poster speaking about all these supposed college kids being dazzled by Android. As they tend to be not so well off financially during that time I think Android's popularity with that subsection is fairly easy and obvious to explain.

No the best selling android phones are all high end handsets actually. The droid Razr Maxx is the best selling one on verizon followed by the Galaxy nexus both of which until recently were 300 on contract. Most people aren't buying cheapo android phones. The other common ones are the htc phones and the droid series. Non of these are bottom barrel devices. The Galaxy s3 is already breaking sales records. The Galaxy s2 sold very well as well.

jazzneel
Jun 17, 2012, 05:06 PM
I have owned both platforms. I was hoping to get an iPhone like phone on Verizon before it was released on the network, so I got a Droid X when it came out.

Overall, the phone was not terrible, but I would never own another android device.

The support on the phone broken. The way OS updates have to trickle down to the handsets do not work well. Google must develop the OS and send it to the OEMs. The OEMs customize it to work with their hardware. Then, the OEMs must get the blessing of the carriers and load the bloatware (think consumer Windows PCs) on top of that, and then finally several months later, it makes it to your handset.

There was a version on the HTC Incredible that had a security flaw where if you logged into a Google service through an open WiFi network, your credentials were exposed (it was not SSL encrypted). I am not sure if this ever was fixed as the handset was over a year old and HTC stopped releasing updates for it.

Another thing is that the Market at the time had so much junk in it. Any 12-year old that got a book and there mom and dad got them a phone put stupid stuff on the market, and it really diluted the quality of software. Not to mention the security related to these questionable applications. When Verizon told me I should install security software on the Droid when I bought it, I pretty much knew this was not the phone for me. This is a phone. It has a lot of sensitive information on it and it should be hardened from the factory.

The battery life was not that great. Occasionally I could not hear callers at all. The only way to resolve this would be to reboot the phone.

The last straw on that phone was the fact that I sent a work email and never received a response. I ended up sending about 12 that day. Never got a reply on any of them. Then I looked in my Outbox, and they were all hung. There was no way to send them, and I had to delete all of them, and compose them again from a computer. That made my mind of that this was not a business phone, this was more of a toy - an open handheld computer to tinker with. Google maps' navigation feature was totally off on some routes and unreliable. And that phone I believe is stuck on Android 2.3.

The iPhone on the other hand does not have the customizable stuff (widgets, etc.) that the android does. But it just works. The email is reliable. The OS is reliable. It has nice features like AirPlay, iTunes match, a great camera, and pre-screened apps to prevent the 12 year olds from hijacking your phone or stealing your information.

For a phone, I had much rather have a "closed" system like the iPhone instead of the Android. Not the case at all with computers, but for a phone, yes. If I were to move away from the iPhone, I would either go back to a BlackBerry, or to the Windows Phone.

Would you buy a phone from doubleclick.net? That is essentially what a Google phone is. Google is an ad company that just so happens to do search. I do not trust ad companies.

Google isn't an ad company, as they have their own products (gmail, gmaps, chrome, an OS, etc), but they do make the majority of their money from advertising. Btw Google owns doubleclick! (just a fyi).

But it sucks that you had such a bad experience with the phone. Some of my coworkers had that phone, and they absolutely loved it, and had no problems so you may have just had a bad phone.

macingman
Jun 17, 2012, 05:13 PM
Android - the least appealing mobile OS with the highest [by far] market share. :confused:

Yes but why does apple get 75% of the profits? Because most of this android market are cheap prepaid things.

chiefpavvy
Jun 17, 2012, 05:17 PM
No the best selling android phones are all high end handsets actually. The droid Razr Maxx is the best selling one on verizon followed by the Galaxy nexus both of which until recently were 300 on contract. Most people aren't buying cheapo android phones. The other common ones are the htc phones and the droid series. Non of these are bottom barrel devices. The Galaxy s3 is already breaking sales records. The Galaxy s2 sold very well as well.

Yes, because there are so damn many entry/low-end Android handsets out there! Taken individually of course no one single handset would win but put together all of these cheapies are the vast majority of the market. You really think the average Android user springs for a Nexus or GS II? Let alone a GS III? Talk about clueless.

jazzneel
Jun 17, 2012, 05:24 PM
Yes, because there are so damn many entry/low-end Android handsets out there! Taken individually of course no one single handset would win but put together all of these cheapies are the vast majority of the market. You really think the average Android user springs for a Nexus or GS II? Let alone a GS III? Talk about clueless.

lol your logic is hilarious. Please back up your non-sense with something factual or at least that makes sense. Do you have any evidence other than you making wild guesses that this is true??

It all depends on the budget for all the individuals. The people considering an iPhone 4S are the sames ones considering a high-end android phone. Take a look at the total sales of the GSII, GSIII, Galaxy Nexus, One X, One S, Droid Maxx, Droid Razr. For the ones that are already out in the US, they are the best selling android handsets (and in Verizon, the maxx IS the best selling handset overall currently).

People will go for the android that best suits their needs. Many of the androids have keyboards, so they will go for that! I went for the GS I on sprint because of the keyboard, instead of going for the Evo.

0m3ga
Jun 17, 2012, 05:30 PM
Yes but why does apple get 75% of the profits? Because most of this android market are cheap prepaid things.

If you aren't a shareholder, why do you care? Apple's profits mean nothing to you. For some reason, people like you believe that your product is somehow better based on the profit margin per phone. Same could be said for Android fans that throughout marketshare numbers being an indicator that their phone is somehow better.

A product is better based on your needs and the capabilities of said product. If it can do or even exceed those requirements more so than another product, it is, by definition, better. In this case, the S3 is superior in just about every category over the iP4. This isn't conjecture, but based on nearly every review and comparison on the web. Even by noted iphone fans, like phonedog.

SixSixItalian
Jun 17, 2012, 05:35 PM
There are so many different Android devices out. How many different types of iPhones are there? 1. So they kind of have an advantage. They have an annual release that everyone goes berserk over. When a new Android phone comes out its nothing new as they're constantly releasing new devices.

Someone wrote that they have several Apple products in their household and everything plays well together. From my personal experience that is true. And I don't have any other Apple devices other than an iPhone. Point is, you can hand your mom, grandma, grandpa, and a child an iPhone and they can figure it out in a matter of minutes. Now go hand your grandma any Android phone and watch her reaction. That's the typical scenario.

0m3ga
Jun 17, 2012, 05:41 PM
There are so many different Android devices out. How many different types of iPhones are there? 1. So they kind of have an advantage. They have an annual release that everyone goes berserk over. When a new Android phone comes out its nothing new as they're constantly releasing new devices.

Someone wrote that they have several Apple products in their household and everything plays well together. From my personal experience that is true. And I don't have any other Apple devices other than an iPhone. Point is, you can hand your mom, grandma, grandpa, and a child an iPhone and they can figure it out in a matter of minutes. Now go hand your grandma any Android phone and watch her reaction. That's the typical scenario.

So you are basically saying people are just smart enough to figure out iPhones, but are to stupid to figure out an Android phone? Interesting.

I would counter, by saying "some" Android based phones aren't as intuitive as an iPhone, except for Samsung phones using the Touchwiz UI. It is pretty similar, except for some added functionality via the icons.

SixSixItalian
Jun 17, 2012, 05:44 PM
If you aren't a shareholder, why do you care? Apple's profits mean nothing to you. For some reason, people like you believe that your product is somehow better based on the profit margin per phone. Same could be said for Android fans that throughout marketshare numbers being an indicator that their phone is somehow better.

A product is better based on your needs and the capabilities of said product. If it can do or even exceed those requirements more so than another product, it is, by definition, better. In this case, the S3 is superior in just about every category over the iP4. This isn't conjecture, but based on nearly every review and comparison on the web. Even by noted iphone fans, like phonedog.

It seems as if you're trying to cram Android down someone's throat. Furthermore, how do you know if he/she isn't a shareholder? And let's stop right there and just turn things around for a bit. You mentioned the S3 is better all across the board. How would you know? Based on what? What you read? Or someone else's review, like phonedog? Also, how do you know what someone else is doing with their device in the first place. If you want everyone to share your same feelings then perhaps you should buy all of us a top tier Android device.

SixSixItalian
Jun 17, 2012, 05:49 PM
So you are basically saying people are just smart enough to figure out iPhones, but are to stupid to figure out an Android phone? Interesting.

I would counter, by saying "some" Android based phones aren't as intuitive as an iPhone, except for Samsung phones using the Touchwiz UI. It is pretty similar, except for some added functionality via the icons.

Are you not paying attention? Most people can sit down and pick up an iPhone and hop right into things. I didn't say they couldn't or wouldn't ever figure out an Android device. There's a little more to it.

macingman
Jun 17, 2012, 06:49 PM
If you aren't a shareholder, why do you care? Apple's profits mean nothing to you. For some reason, people like you believe that your product is somehow better based on the profit margin per phone. Same could be said for Android fans that throughout marketshare numbers being an indicator that their phone is somehow better.

A product is better based on your needs and the capabilities of said product. If it can do or even exceed those requirements more so than another product, it is, by definition, better. In this case, the S3 is superior in just about every category over the iP4. This isn't conjecture, but based on nearly every review and comparison on the web. Even by noted iphone fans, like phonedog.

I actually am a share holder so yeah.

Oh and don't forget the iPhone is only like 5 devices android is thousands.

0m3ga
Jun 17, 2012, 07:04 PM
I actually am a share holder so yeah.

Oh and don't forget the iPhone is only like 5 devices android is thousands.

Then I completely understand why profits mean a lot to you. You, however, are the exception to the rule. Most of the people talking about profit have zero stake in Apple. Of course, as a shreholder it's comforting to know there are people that will blindly follow the :apple: logo no matter what.

http://www.busygamer.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/chrisandrews.jpg

monkeybagel
Jun 17, 2012, 07:07 PM
Google isn't an ad company, as they have their own products (gmail, gmaps, chrome, an OS, etc), but they do make the majority of their money from advertising. Btw Google owns doubleclick! (just a fyi).



I knew they bought doubleclick.net - that's what I don't like. They do make the majority of their money (I would probably go as far to say almost all of it) from advertising. Therefore, they data mine a great deal of information from their users to increase the price of their advertising service.

Their other products, particularly gmail, relies on advertising. Chrome is a portal for their search service, that funnels one in to their advertising, just like Android. It looks innocent from the surface, but in the end, it is all about advertising.

Google is very innovative, and some of their products have great value, but I am just not a big fan of their privacy standards.

I think for most users - particularly regular consumers and non-business users, the Droid X and other androids are probably fine phones and platforms.

Wrathwitch
Jun 17, 2012, 07:38 PM
My dad is better than your dad!!

Oh yeah! Well my dad can beat up your dad!!

OH YEAH? Well my dad can beat up your dad with one hand tied behind his back!

Oh yeah well My Mom could beat up your dad!

What a load of crap these posts are becoming.

Snivel snivel whine whine snivel. If you have an open mind than you don't give two carps about what OS someone else is using and whether their thing feels cheap in your hand or not.

Poor me, I can afford an 800.00 phone with a cell phone plan of +50.00 per month. I am so hard done by.....

I am sure we can all appreciate being enthusiastic about our own choices because face it, MY choice is better than yours any day.

oooo mine is made out of glass and feels solid.. yeah well mine can do things on vibrate that yours will never dream of.

oh puhleeze.......

cynics
Jun 17, 2012, 07:38 PM
So Androids only sell to broke people because they are cheap? Lol, typical iPhone snob. I suppose Windows dominates PC sales because they are cheap and sell to broke people too right?

Yep, they are cheap and complicated. There main market is homeless people with above average IQ. /end sarcasm

There is so much fluff in this thread its insane. Did someone say a Samsung Android tablet DIDN'T have a home button? Lol

imeth
Jun 18, 2012, 02:29 AM
I've had the Galaxy S III for just over a week and can pretty much say that (for me personally) no other phone would perform as well or fit my needs as it does.

Performance wise, it blows my old Galaxy Nexus away from general usage and seems to have a better speeds when it comes to 3g.
Image (http://www.speedtest.net/result/2011622750.png)
The fastest I got on my GN as around 7 to 10 meg.

The camera is superb, audio playback through headphones sounds great and having that SD card slot means it's more future proof than my 16gb Galaxy Nexus was. Even TouchWiz is far less intrusive than it ever has been and seeing what Samsung have enabled via USB host alone is amazing.

Now that the CyanogenMod 9 nightlies (http://www.xda-developers.com/android/official-cyanogenmod-9-nightly-builds-appear-for-the-galaxy-s-iii/) have startied for the SGS III, I doubt it'll be long until I'm trying out custom firmwares on the thing.

OP, you may thing the 4/4s are the best phones on the planet today but trust me when I say you don't speak for everybody. :)


LMAO have fun with your TV first brand phone, if anything happens you don't have a Samsung store to walk into. Also have fun with a size bulky in your pocket.. Yes now go away non apple boy

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Really? Because morons that throw money away at used phones is a way for you to justify how good your phone is? Do you not see how crazy some of you sound? It's blissfully ignorant.

And by the way, I can get over $400 for my S2, but I wouldn't be obtuse enough to sell on ebay and pay fees to both paypal and ebay.


LMAO!! I bet my life you can't get $400 for your S2.. And if you did, how you going to call smart and good folks "moron" knowing they pay $450+ for a phone everybody wants and in demand... LMAO he mad his S2 is now obsolete since the 3 came out.. Magic poof

ChazUK
Jun 18, 2012, 02:37 AM
LMAO have fun with your TV first brand phone, if anything happens you don't have a Samsung store to walk into. Also have fun with a size bulky in your pocket.. Yes now go away non apple boy

If anything does happen, I'll be sure to return my handset to Samsung but the lack of issues I've had with Samsung hardware gives me faith that nothing will go wrong. The only faulty handsets I've owned in recent years were Apple and HTC hardware (HTC did a week turnaround on warranty repair, the iPhone was replaced in store twice)

On the size, my last phone was the Galaxy Nexus which (just like the Galaxy S III) fits fine in my pocket. One of the advantages of wearing clothes that fit I guess.

Enjoy your trip to the Genius Bar when your phone does go wrong. I'll stick to hardware by a manufacturer that has a 0% failure rate from personal experience. ;)

EDIT: You sure do "LMAO" a lot.....

imeth
Jun 18, 2012, 02:39 AM
no they don't and iPhone light years ahead of Android? LOL, just the simpe fact the iPhone STILL lacks 4G makes it light years behind Android. Not to mention you still have to jailbreak one just to get the basic functionality you can get with a stock Android phone out of the box. Plus there are still limitations in ios you can't get past even with a jailbreak. iOS has become a little better now that Apple has taken most of the best Android features we have had for years and put them in iOS. However, it's still light years behind Android.

Light years ahead yet you blame iPhones not getting 4G ?? LMAO.. Don't be mad you got a android device probably on Virgin mobile Or Boost Mobile.. Lol maybe even Cricket or one of those prepaids. My iPhone shows 4G btw and you act like 4G LTE is everywhere SMH fandroid bot

0m3ga
Jun 18, 2012, 02:57 AM
LMAO!! I bet my life you can't get $400 for your S2.. And if you did, how you going to call smart and good folks "moron" knowing they pay $450+ for a phone everybody wants and in demand... LMAO he mad his S2 is now obsolete since the 3 came out.. Magic poof

Well, since I appear to be talking to a child, you wouldn't have had a long life. Craigslist - Los Angeles.

I'll bet you don't even know what your iphone is capable of, much less one like the S2. Of course, when you have a phone like the iP4, with limited capabilities you'd think kids like you would know every in and out of your phone. But that is far from the case.

naths
Jun 18, 2012, 03:58 AM
Its fairly obvious the the GS3 and the HTC One X are superior than the 4S, they are the latest technology, the 4S is almost a year old, when the next iPhone gets released they should be on a par with Samsung and HTC in terms of technology, then its your choice iOS or Android, then by christmas i would think the next generation of phones from samsung and htc will be ready for release, again taking them ahead of apple, i just wish apple wouldn't dictate to the buyer what they can and cannot do with products they buy!!, thats where android has a distinct advantage...for example, if i buy an album on iTunes why can i only play it on a Apple product!!, i'v paid for it i should be able to play that on any device i want, not what they say!!!!...getting a bit big brotherish!!, i'm not slagging apple off i'v used their products for 20 years, but once you get involved with their ecosystem you are well and truly trapped and dictated to what you have to buy to be able to enjoy your own media!!...
I'v got a 4S and a HTC One X and after comparing both extensively the HOX is the better device in terms of looks, ease of use,etc etc...doesnt worry me Android or iOS both are good but the ios6 update was just a catch up exercise really...

JMG
Jun 18, 2012, 01:34 PM
for example, if i buy an album on iTunes why can i only play it on a Apple product!!

Can you clarify this, because I have been buying stuff off iTunes and playing them in my car's sim card reader for years now.

cdmoore74
Jun 18, 2012, 06:33 PM
"Iphone 4 and 4S still way better than any Android phone"

Ultimately this is just user preference. Many people including myself cannot get past the 3.5 inch display. I try all the time to use my wife's iPhone but I've been spoiled by Androids big display's. And the most precious thing I find with Android (I have a Nexus) is that ROM developers really do care about optimizing Android way more than what the OEM's can do. I love Android but I hate when OEM's screw with the stock builds. But various teams are out their so that we can have bloat free experiences on as many devices as possible.
I agree that people should not have to do this and I would recommend a iPhone to any of my friends. I just don't recommend older models especially after seeing Apple pull features from iOS as they see fit from older phones. But Android for me feels more personal. It's like cars. My wife drives the car and has no clue on how it operates. But I'm the only one that have serviced the vehicle for the last 13 years. My feelings towards the car is more intimate because I've spent hours repairing it and making sure that it runs. I know more about android because I've spent hours understanding how it works.

lordofthereef
Jun 18, 2012, 07:09 PM
Point is, you can hand your mom, grandma, grandpa, and a child an iPhone and they can figure it out in a matter of minutes. Now go hand your grandma any Android phone and watch her reaction. That's the typical scenario.

Interestingly there are classes for how to use the iPhone that are held at the Apple store. They are generally packed, yes I said PACKED, with people who look to be 60+.

I didn't have trouble picking up iOS, Android, WP7, or any other OS I have picked up. In many ways, iOS and Android are similar in terms of UI. I really am not so sure how a person that can figure out an iPhone is going to innately not be able to figure out an Android device. I reserve making comments about WP7 and Blackberry OS because the out of the box UI on those devices are very different from iPhone/Android.

saberz
Jun 18, 2012, 08:22 PM
I am actually testing a galaxy note at this time.I actually adjusted to the size quick, but there are definitely some quirks.

Default messaging app likes to list your contacts from every social network you use unless you configure those accounts to not sync contacts (wish it said something about that).

iPhone messaging and interface is slightly more refined. Now mind you, I'm on gingerbread again, but the unofficial ics roms fix a few nagging things but still IMO not as polished, but its getting there.

Notifications on Android are IMO a little more annoying as it reports everything with default settings more so than iphone defaults.but after some fiddling its nipped in the but. .

The screen size is a plus but I never had qualms with the iPhones size and still find the tap to zoom on the iphone better.in portrait mode on the note, text is tiny even zoomed(fit to screen), but iphone isn't, weird. Landscape mode is brilliant though on the note. Figured I'd share some thoughts on it. Android has made some big strides its just the adjustment time of figuring or how to do things and expecting them to work almost t the same as the iphone. Apples to oranges in that regard.

See the attached photo to see what I'm talking about for portrait zoom on the note.http://img.tapatalk.com/457b2831-d65e-0e39.jpg

mbell1975
Jun 18, 2012, 08:57 PM
I am actually testing a galaxy note at this time.I actually adjusted to the size quick, but there are definitely some quirks.

Default messaging app likes to list your contacts from every social network you use unless you configure those accounts to not sync contacts (wish it said something about that).

iPhone messaging and interface is slightly more refined. Now mind you, I'm on gingerbread again, but the unofficial ics roms fix a few nagging things but still IMO not as polished, but its getting there.

Notifications on Android are IMO a little more annoying as it reports everything with default settings more so than iphone defaults.but after some fiddling its nipped in the but. .

The screen size is a plus but I never had qualms with the iPhones size and still find the tap to zoom on the iphone better.in portrait mode on the note, text is tiny even zoomed(fit to screen), but iphone isn't, weird. Landscape mode is brilliant though on the note. Figured I'd share some thoughts on it. Android has made some big strides its just the adjustment time of figuring or how to do things and expecting them to work almost t the same as the iphone. Apples to oranges in that regard.

See the attached photo to see what I'm talking about for portrait zoom on the note.Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/457b2831-d65e-0e39.jpg)


Ummm, still a TON more screen real estate than an iPhone. There is no mobile phone thats going to zoom in correctly on the desktop version of a forum. Thats why Tapatalk exists...

SixSixItalian
Jun 18, 2012, 09:15 PM
Interestingly there are classes for how to use the iPhone that are held at the Apple store. They are generally packed, yes I said PACKED, with people who look to be 60+.

I didn't have trouble picking up iOS, Android, WP7, or any other OS I have picked up. In many ways, iOS and Android are similar in terms of UI. I really am not so sure how a person that can figure out an iPhone is going to innately not be able to figure out an Android device. I reserve making comments about WP7 and Blackberry OS because the out of the box UI on those devices are very different from iPhone/Android.


Yes, I know that the Apple retail stores do offer the classes on how to use all of their products. I think the entire thread has become a flame war though. While, I do enjoy both iOS and Android. I am not biased against one or the other. I have owned numerous Android phones, and quite honestly, I enjoyed the heck out of them. There are things I can nitpick about but why bother. As for making comments about BlackBerry and Windows Phones, I have owned a few different BlackBerry devices, and I think they are just out on their own, or should be used primarily as a business/work phone.

What I find comical is the fact that there are people in here complaining about the iPhone and which Android device is better. Hello, this is an Apple product related forum. If ya enjoy your iPhone and it works for you great. If Android is your thing and it works for you, wonderful, but don't go running around trying to prove a point saying your phone is so much better because XYZ, who cares. Just as long as you're happy.

saberz
Jun 18, 2012, 10:00 PM
True, just sucks I have to buy another copy of tapatalk lol.

chiefpavvy
Jun 18, 2012, 10:34 PM
Ummm, still a TON more screen real estate than an iPhone. There is no mobile phone thats going to zoom in correctly on the desktop version of a forum. Thats why Tapatalk exists...

Yes, Tapatalk works quite nicely on iPhone, doesn't it? :D

Most of us don't want a device so large that a desktop version of a forum would fit with no zoom - that's what a tablet is for.

JMG
Jun 18, 2012, 11:19 PM
Why are we arguing about phone operating systems? Can we all agree that we love arguing about their shortcomings as much as how much better they are then everything else?

sotorious
Jun 18, 2012, 11:33 PM
One thing I love about the iPhone is the fluidity it's so smooth all around. Went from android android iPhone now going back to android (waiting for the s3).

iOS is now boring to me. After I get passed the app phase it comes down to the core and heart of the phone.

I don't use apps all that much anymore but the ones that I do use are on all 3 phones. iOS, android, and windows mobile.

Love the gmail app and maps on android so much better. I also enjoy the multi tasking much better a s how music apps run in the background.

Pisses me off on my iPhone when I'm using clock radio at the gym and I get a text message and i go I check it it stops the music and i have to go back in there to get it started again.

iOS 6 is showing me small improvements and i don't think their map system will developed for a while.

All in all each os has something special to offer. I think everyone should give each one try. I don't know about everyone else but i can't stand looking at the same damn thing for over a year.

Im just glad I'm not bias and I get to enjoy the best of both worlds. I have yet to try a widows mobile phone yet but as I right now nothing has caught my eye.

Frankied22
Jun 18, 2012, 11:55 PM
One thing I love about the iPhone is the fluidity it's so smooth all around. Went from android android iPhone now going back to android (waiting for the s3).

iOS is now boring to me. After I get passed the app phase it comes down to the core and heart of the phone.

I don't use apps all that much anymore but the ones that I do use are on all 3 phones. iOS, android, and windows mobile.

Love the gmail app and maps on android so much better. I also enjoy the multi tasking much better a s how music apps run in the background.

Pisses me off on my iPhone when I'm using clock radio at the gym and I get a text message and i go I check it it stops the music and i have to go back in there to get it started again.

iOS 6 is showing me small improvements and i don't think their map system will developed for a while.

All in all each os has something special to offer. I think everyone should give each one try. I don't know about everyone else but i can't stand looking at the same damn thing for over a year.

Im just glad I'm not bias and I get to enjoy the best of both worlds. I have yet to try a widows mobile phone yet but as I right now nothing has caught my eye.

Not sure what iPhone or version of ios you're using but the music should keep playing in the background.

SixSixItalian
Jun 19, 2012, 12:03 AM
I think I am probably the only person out there that doesn't use it for playing music or transferring my mp3s to it. I just use Pandora. Heck, even when I had my Razr MAXX and its 32gb I didn't load a single song onto it but I played the crap out of Pandora.

lordofthereef
Jun 19, 2012, 12:31 AM
Yes, I know that the Apple retail stores do offer the classes on how to use all of their products. I think the entire thread has become a flame war though. While, I do enjoy both iOS and Android. I am not biased against one or the other. I have owned numerous Android phones, and quite honestly, I enjoyed the heck out of them. There are things I can nitpick about but why bother. As for making comments about BlackBerry and Windows Phones, I have owned a few different BlackBerry devices, and I think they are just out on their own, or should be used primarily as a business/work phone.

What I find comical is the fact that there are people in here complaining about the iPhone and which Android device is better. Hello, this is an Apple product related forum. If ya enjoy your iPhone and it works for you great. If Android is your thing and it works for you, wonderful, but don't go running around trying to prove a point saying your phone is so much better because XYZ, who cares. Just as long as you're happy.

Things are going to become a flame war when you make sweeping statements like "Grannies can pickup iOS but wouldn't know what to do with ANDROID". I was merely responing to that statement with examples, rather than simply saying "you're wrong". While Apple does hold classes for all of their products, the iPhone class always seems to be the one packed to the gills (unless there is a secret meeting place for their Macs that I am unaware of). But anyway, be a part of the cure, not the disease. Or don't. It's all the same to me. :)

mbell1975
Jun 19, 2012, 12:33 AM
Heck, even when I had my Razr MAXX and its 32gb I didn't load a single song onto it


Neither do I. I just use Motocast and stream any song I want from my iTunes :)

imeth
Jun 19, 2012, 01:59 AM
Neither do I. I just use Motocast and stream any song I want from my iTunes :)

Move along, nothing to see here. Just a bored Android on
Probably prepaid device wants to start something

JMG
Jun 19, 2012, 02:20 AM
Android fanboy users in this thread:
Inferiority complex towards the more iconic Apple brand.

Most Android users in the real world: wouldn't waste their time even knowing there is a thread like this.

BTW android market share dropped last quarter. Apple's went up even though no new iPhone was released. Android still majority by the sheer number of different phones by different carriers and manufacturers. Reminds me of the PC Vs Mac wars. Being a majority doesn't assume the best product sells.

mbell1975
Jun 19, 2012, 02:25 AM
Android fanboy users in this thread:
Inferiority complex towards the more iconic Apple brand.

Most Android users in the real world: wouldn't waste their time even knowing there is a thread like this.

BTW android market share dropped last quarter. Apple's went up even though no new iPhone was released. Android still majority by the sheer number of different phones by different carriers and manufacturers. Reminds me of the PC Vs Mac wars. Being a majority doesn't assume the best product sells.

Judging from your sig and your responses, you are quite the Apple fanboy. Pot meet kettle.

ChazUK
Jun 19, 2012, 03:06 AM
Android fanboy users in this thread:
Inferiority complex towards the more iconic Apple brand.

Most Android users in the real world: wouldn't waste their time even knowing there is a thread like this.

BTW android market share dropped last quarter. Apple's went up even though no new iPhone was released. Android still majority by the sheer number of different phones by different carriers and manufacturers. Reminds me of the PC Vs Mac wars. Being a majority doesn't assume the best product sells.
Apple users in this thread.
Inferiority complex towards anything other than the Apple brand.

Most smartphone users in the real world: wouldn't waste their time even knowing there is a thread like this

BTW, android and iOS usage continues to grow around the world.

http://thenextweb.com/asia/2012/06/19/android-marches-on-in-china-now-accounts-for-55-4-of-smartphones-ios-at-12-

www.telecoms.com/45498/android-rocking-european-market/

I take it your marketshare decline numbers are only taking the U.S in account?

typeadam
Jun 19, 2012, 03:57 AM
OMG I OWN AN IPHONE, PLEASE CONFIRM MY INSECURITY BY TELLING ME HOW AWESOME AN IPHONE IS!!!!! Clowns...

- I love my 4S in any conceivable way a person can love a piece of technology
- I loved every single Android phone I've owned - yes that includes their battery lives
- 3 things I strongly, strongly miss about my Androids that even my JB'd iPhone cannot touch:
1.) global sharing system
2.) ability to set default apps
3.) screen the size of a text book - the iPhone looks and feels like a postage stamp in my hands
- My next phone will be an enormous-screened Windows Phone
- I'm a tech junkie, a gadget geek - I've owned multiple Treos, Blackberries, Windows Mobile 6, 6.1, 6.5 phones, and Androids - I am NOT tethered to a brand "just because." I switched b/c it was time to experience something DIFFERENT, NOT b/c it was an iPhone (had Sprint had the HTC Titan [WP7] I would have gone w/ that)
- I paid a hefty amount for a monster of a Mac and I love it but guess what? I love my Windows 7 laptop too (sometimes even more) and wouldn't trade it in for an MBP simply b/c I already own a Mac and want a Windows computer as well for things the Mac cannot do well or at all


Can some of you comprehend the position I hold regarding my post or are you just blown away that someone can have affinity towards a non-Apple product?

TLekhi1
Jun 19, 2012, 04:31 AM
I don't think an Iphone has the potential to be better than an HTC becuase HTC has better graphics and has faster internet than the IPhone and the Android marketplace is way bigger than the Apple marketplace so the HTC is more relaible therefore it would suit your needs becuase you would such a fast phone with amazing graphics. This would satisfy your needs! not an Iphone. :mad:

SixSixItalian
Jun 19, 2012, 07:37 AM
Things are going to become a flame war when you make sweeping statements like "Grannies can pickup iOS but wouldn't know what to do with ANDROID". I was merely responing to that statement with examples, rather than simply saying "you're wrong". While Apple does hold classes for all of their products, the iPhone class always seems to be the one packed to the gills (unless there is a secret meeting place for their Macs that I am unaware of). But anyway, be a part of the cure, not the disease. Or don't. It's all the same to me. :)

Be part of the cure? Considering the fact that I enjoy both Android and iOS I wouldn't say that I'm encouraging a flame war. I responded to someone else a while back because it seemed as though he/she was trying to shove Android down someone else's throat. What works for one person might not always work for someone else. Although this person felt the need to point out ever single thing he could about Android. In the end my response is simple, as long as I'm buying it you don't have a say in it, and your opinion really doesn't matter either. To each their own.

saberz
Jun 19, 2012, 08:47 AM
One thing I love about the iPhone is the fluidity it's so smooth all around. Went from android android iPhone now going back to android (waiting for the s3).

iOS is now boring to me. After I get passed the app phase it comes down to the core and heart of the phone.

I don't use apps all that much anymore but the ones that I do use are on all 3 phones. iOS, android, and windows mobile.

Love the gmail app and maps on android so much better. I also enjoy the multi tasking much better a s how music apps run in the background.

Pisses me off on my iPhone when I'm using clock radio at the gym and I get a text message and i go I check it it stops the music and i have to go back in there to get it started again.

iOS 6 is showing me small improvements and i don't think their map system will developed for a while.

All in all each os has something special to offer. I think everyone should give each one try. I don't know about everyone else but i can't stand looking at the same damn thing for over a year.

Im just glad I'm not bias and I get to enjoy the best of both worlds. I have yet to try a widows mobile phone yet but as I right now nothing has caught my eye.


I to find that the iPhone OS seems to flow and seem more fluid. Things are just simpler and more intuitive. Now as I stated before it could just be that its because I am used to iOS, but I also did use an android device before as well.

The iPhone mail app imo is better than the stock app on android(how it handles multiple accounts, conversations etc), the messaging app is also better.

I am open to trying new things, I even toyed around with my FIL's HTC Radar Windows 7 phone. I did find it cool but got rather bored of it quickly.

JMG
Jun 19, 2012, 09:23 AM
Judging from your sig and your responses, you are quite the Apple fanboy. Pot meet kettle.

I had 2 androids. Went back to iPhone. I have a PC as well. I am also an apple stock holder.

Call me whatever you want but never, ever argue discuss actual facts! /sarcasm

JMG
Jun 19, 2012, 09:31 AM
Apple users in this thread.
Inferiority complex towards anything other than the Apple brand.

Most smartphone users in the real world: wouldn't waste their time even knowing there is a thread like this

BTW, android and iOS usage continues to grow around the world.

http://thenextweb.com/asia/2012/06/19/android-marches-on-in-china-now-accounts-for-55-4-of-smartphones-ios-at-12-

www.telecoms.com/45498/android-rocking-european-market/

I take it your marketshare decline numbers are only taking the U.S in account?

Yes this was for the US.

I don't care what the other guy uses, for me the iPhone does the job.

It's funny how the other guy who replied assumed that I think the iPhone is better because I posted a stat and made a statement about the nature of the market share. I never said that the android is definitely inferior. Go read my post and note the verbiage. Any message he took from it is purely based on his attitude. I worded it very carefully. I thank him for confirming my hypothesis.

Lindenhurst
Jun 19, 2012, 11:26 AM
So yes there's some 4, 5" phones, 16, 32GB handsets, great sound quality, more free apps on Android but STILL I don't get it. I really dislike the feel of Android. The App store bores me, the games are less superior especially free ones. The screens are much more unresponsive and the screen depth of text still doesn't match the retina. The build quality sucks on Samsungs. You just have to hold the Iphone vs the Samsung. Yes it's a bad idea to drop the Iphone but if you are careful it's a much smarter well made handset.

Galaxy note was almost as big as the Playbook. I tried most tablets in a store and found the playbook to be faster and more unique in design. The Android tablets were too complicated. The Galaxy had no home button unlike the Ipad and wiglets were annoying.

I go into phone shops all the time and they always dish the Iphone and say it's got crap signal, Android do better with there OS updates and this phone is much newer and better sound. Don't believe it.

The Iphone is much more interesting to use with Ibooks, the better app store, texting, surfing is smoother even was back in the 3GS days. The Iphone camera is better than any 5 or 8MP I've seen, Facetime is better than the dud 3G calls we had years ago.

It reminds me of the Sony Ericsson handsets they always had so much missing that Samsung never had but the K750i, K800i, C905 were all iconic flagship phones. Since Android came in it's been dull production lines of phones. Bigger memory, BIGGER screen, BIGGER camera like 12 mega pixels too much for a camera phone but they seem think it's better.

Give me IOS6 over any of these Android production line clones any day. 200 new features and a decent OS which works. Being honest there's not one handset I like. The odd Windows phone has got my eye but there's few others I'd prefer to own.

No doubt about it Iphone is the best all round smart phone money can buy. Iphone 3GS to the 4 to the 4S. Might lack some IOS6 features but from budget to high end comparison I'd much rather have the Iphone. Anybody agree?


If you say so

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Android is the least appealing mobile OS on the market currently. The OS itself is junk, the phones are mostly horrid, and its core business model is flawed which is why iOS eats 75% of the mobile profits with only 24% global share.

Glad you enlightened us all dude

lordofthereef
Jun 19, 2012, 03:57 PM
Be part of the cure? Considering the fact that I enjoy both Android and iOS I wouldn't say that I'm encouraging a flame war. I responded to someone else a while back because it seemed as though he/she was trying to shove Android down someone else's throat. What works for one person might not always work for someone else. Although this person felt the need to point out ever single thing he could about Android. In the end my response is simple, as long as I'm buying it you don't have a say in it, and your opinion really doesn't matter either. To each their own.

If you have no idea what I am referring to I certainly don't know what to do to make you understand, but I suppose I will give it one more try (below). The fact that you use both products is irrelevant based on other things you said.

Hint, I will repeat only the most relevant part of my response to you:
Things are going to become a flame war when you make sweeping statements like "Grannies can pickup iOS but wouldn't know what to do with ANDROID". I was merely responing to that statement with examples, rather than simply saying "you're wrong".

The above statement is an example of not being part of the cure, IMO.

HTH :)

SixSixItalian
Jun 19, 2012, 05:40 PM
Ok, so, my mistake. Most of the people I see that are old couldn't and wouldn't operate an Android phone because it LOOKS confusing. iOS looks like a phone a 5 year could operate.

Phone Junky
Jun 19, 2012, 06:01 PM
Ok, so, my mistake. Most of the people I see that are old couldn't and wouldn't operate an Android phone because it LOOKS confusing. iOS looks like a phone a 5 year could operate.

I have an iPhone 4s. Both of my parents (who are 70 years old) have HTC Evo 4gs. They have absolutely no problem operating their phones including texting, email, web browsing and using google maps to get where they're going.