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krause734
Jun 19, 2012, 07:48 AM
I feel like the iPod shuffle or nano might really take off if Apple made them more user friendly for athletes: runners, bikers, walkers, weightlifters etc. I have read a lot of complaints about the shuffle's headphones and how it dies when a little sweat or rain hits it.

Right now I use my iPod touch and strap it to my shoulder, but I would much rather use the much smaller shuffle or nano that clips to my shirt if these were more user friendly for sports (heart rate, gps, waterproof or at least resistant, and maybe some other features). The iPhone also has a great app (mapmytracks) that keeps track of speed, elevation, and distance while running.

The nano is not bad, but I feel like it is a little pricy for what you are getting. I might wait for the next refresh.

What does everyone else use for their running mp3 player?



iMacFarlane
Jun 19, 2012, 09:53 AM
I have a current generation iPod Shuffle which I have used for running for about a year now.

I have gone through two apple headsets already. I didn't know if it was sweat, rain, or dust, but what happened was they both developed a really irritating level of noise, muffled playback, popping/static/scratching. I have a set of sony headphones I am using now and they have outlasted both of the apple sets.

I have looked at the new Nano and like it, but haven't taken the plunge yet. It seems like the running features for it are very limited, and I have never seen one in practice to get a feel for it's accuracy or ease of use.

I too would like to see an iPod designed for athletic use:
-Ruggedized
-Integrated solution for wear (arm band/clip/watchband)
-Bluetooth headphones (no oscillating 'jumprope' wires on my chest while I'm trying to run)
-Ability to install maps of areas you will run, GPS tracks progress on route along with vital data (pace, distance, time elapsed)
-Hardware button to advance to next track so you don't have to stop and fumble with a tiny touchscreen interface during your run

Wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be great?

himanshumodi
Jun 19, 2012, 12:17 PM
I am right now using a cellphone in my pocket along with Sennheiser PMX 680 earphones. As far as earphones go, I am pretty sure I am never going back to anything else that is currently available.

But would be great to get a smaller device than a cellphone. The wish list above is fairly comprehensive. Considering the weird things that get invented and the crazy featues people throw in to design stuff for "humans", it's weird that a medium-priced running gadget isn't available.

ObsidianIce
Jun 19, 2012, 02:39 PM
I think if the changed the Nano to have these the sales of them would skyrocket...

I have a current generation iPod Shuffle which I have used for running for about a year now.

I have gone through two apple headsets already. I didn't know if it was sweat, rain, or dust, but what happened was they both developed a really irritating level of noise, muffled playback, popping/static/scratching. I have a set of sony headphones I am using now and they have outlasted both of the apple sets.

I have looked at the new Nano and like it, but haven't taken the plunge yet. It seems like the running features for it are very limited, and I have never seen one in practice to get a feel for it's accuracy or ease of use.

I too would like to see an iPod designed for athletic use:
-Ruggedized
-Integrated solution for wear (arm band/clip/watchband)
-Bluetooth headphones (no oscillating 'jumprope' wires on my chest while I'm trying to run)
-Ability to install maps of areas you will run, GPS tracks progress on route along with vital data (pace, distance, time elapsed)
-Hardware button to advance to next track so you don't have to stop and fumble with a tiny touchscreen interface during your run

Wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be great?

pacalis
Jun 19, 2012, 02:42 PM
I am right now using a cellphone in my pocket along with Sennheiser PMX 680 earphones. As far as earphones go, I am pretty sure I am never going back to anything else that is currently available.


Thanks. I use my phone plus some Sony MDR-J10 - the sound is average but do they trick and they're easy to throw in a gym bag. I might try these Sennheiser though.

krause734
Jun 19, 2012, 03:31 PM
I was also considering an mp3 player that is built into the headphones so you are cordless like a bluetooth headset. I think that this would be ideal for exercise, but not something that Apple would likely make.

iMacFarlane
Jun 19, 2012, 06:48 PM
I was also considering an mp3 player that is built into the headphones so you are cordless like a bluetooth headset. I think that this would be ideal for exercise, but not something that Apple would likely make.

Yes, the player could be so small and light that it would be feasible to incorporate it into the headset itself, removing the need for bluetooth and two things with power needs down to one. Good idea.

himanshumodi
Jun 19, 2012, 10:52 PM
I was also considering an mp3 player that is built into the headphones so you are cordless like a bluetooth headset. I think that this would be ideal for exercise, but not something that Apple would likely make.

That's actually not a bad idea. If nothing it will keep the cord out of the picture. Will still need the cellphone to do tracking stuff like route, speed, elevation, etc.

ftaok
Jun 20, 2012, 12:13 PM
I personally run with my nano 6G. I use the Nike+ sportskit to get my pace, HR, splits, etc.

Maybe I just don't sweat that much, but I don't find the nano getting wet. Sometimes I just wear it on my hip, but I also use a watch band. The watchband helps out with being able to actually see the screen.

I made my first watchband out of elastic from the craft store. I lost that at the YMCA, so I made another. It didn't turn out as nice, so I bought an iWatchz band for about $20. It works great, but the strap is rubber, so it gets a little sweaty ... but not enough to zap the nano.

If you go with a watchband, get a clip to keep your headphone cables under control.

A set of headphones with a remote is also helpful during running. It allows you to skip/rewind songs without having to touch the screen.

ft

chadamorrill
Jun 20, 2012, 12:35 PM
Go get a pair, I dare you. http://www.oakley.com/products/2213/6708 Been around for a loooong time (hence only 512 MB). And I don't care who you are, they're fugly :)
I was also considering an mp3 player that is built into the headphones so you are cordless like a bluetooth headset. I think that this would be ideal for exercise, but not something that Apple would likely make.

As another user posted, I use my 6G Nano on a watchband (specifically, the TikTok). The back clip is exposed to your wrist, but that's the only part of the Nano that gets wet. Trust me, I trained for my second half-marathon with this combo, including a couple 15 mi training runs, and the thing stays remarkably dry. Headphones are looped up my shirt sleeve and into my ears; keeps the cable from flopping about. The Nike sensor does pretty well, but I always wore a GPS watch during training too. That way I could re-calibrate the Nike sensor to the exact distance.

DoNoHarm
Jun 23, 2012, 11:33 AM
I've heard the occasional mention of sweat damage to the shuffle too. The thing is, people only post when they are complaining 99% of the time. I don't think the shuffle has any difference in water resistance than an iphone. the earbuds are likely to go first and sennheiser makes great headphones that will resist sweat.

I just bought a shuffle specifically for running and if anything happens, I'll post here. so if you're reading this post months down the line and I haven't updated, know that they're still going strong!

EDIT:

WOW! I scrolled down a couple of pages and found this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1324360

This woman actually washed her shuffle and it still works great.

ghellquist
Jun 23, 2012, 01:40 PM
I use my Nano 6th gen for running and training. So far this year, two completed marathons, one sporting 5 hours of rain (Stockholm). I use Philips earphones that fit my ears better than the Apple ones so cannot comment on them.

This is my second nano, the previous died when I took a swim in the pool together with the nano, did not work after that. But otherwise, a bit of general carefulness and they work in sweat, rain and snow.

// Gunnar

Major.Robto
Jun 23, 2012, 03:37 PM
I have the second gen of shuffle, and its been throwne around so much, and I've droped it, its been out side in the rain.

Stupid little thing still works.

Except I can not keep in on loop, its only shuffle now.

the batt is also almost dead.

its missing some of the pices on it that make it stay closed together so the main chip can fall out if it wanted to..

The stupid thing still works fine to play music.

Im rather surprised!

DoNoHarm
Jul 14, 2012, 03:22 PM
I've heard the occasional mention of sweat damage to the shuffle too. The thing is, people only post when they are complaining 99% of the time. I don't think the shuffle has any difference in water resistance than an iphone. the earbuds are likely to go first and sennheiser makes great headphones that will resist sweat.

I just bought a shuffle specifically for running and if anything happens, I'll post here. so if you're reading this post months down the line and I haven't updated, know that they're still going strong!

EDIT:

WOW! I scrolled down a couple of pages and found this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1324360

This woman actually washed her shuffle and it still works great.

Update: this thing is awesome. It's incredible that such a tiny device can be constructed that is so elegant and useful. If feels like a star trek com badge. And I'm not at all missing the screen due to the voiceover feature. I actually prefer it since I don't have to unclip it and search through menues in a tiny screen.

kaielement
Jul 14, 2012, 05:34 PM
I was also considering an mp3 player that is built into the headphones so you are cordless like a bluetooth headset. I think that this would be ideal for exercise, but not something that Apple would likely make.

Sony makes a 2gb of exalt what you are asking

iEvolution
Jul 16, 2012, 01:53 AM
I've always thought the shuffle made a fine running music player, the sweat thing, as far as I know, involves the 3rd generation shuffle head phones with the remote not the 4th gen shuffle itself.

Just hook it to your shirt collar and go! Easy to fiddle with the buttons because its right there. Even the 6th gen nano with a arm band isn't that bad.

PinkyMacGodess
Jul 17, 2012, 07:11 AM
Back when I was able to run, I used the older Shuffle 'Stick', and ear buds. That darned thing seemed indestructible. Well, until Apple discontinued it...

For telemetry, I used one of the old square Nano's and the Nike+ add-on, and the Nike+ controller wristband. Why did they ever drop that cool product.

The biggest problem, bar none, was going through headphones. Even those Yurbud things died, although they fit the best. I've got a pair that can't turn down the volume, only up. It's sweat damage even though they say they are immune for sweat. Yeah...

spencers
Jul 17, 2012, 09:47 AM
I ran using the Gen1 Nano for many years. That little sucker was resilient! Rain, extreme heat, snow, etc. Never crapped out, and I sweat A LOT. I used it with the Nike+ chip and receiver, along with the gen1 Nike+ armband.

After hesitantly sending it off for the iPod Nano recall, I've been using the gen6 Nano replacement. Gotta say, I like the upgrade. It's smaller and less intrusive. The clip is great for clipping on my running shorts. I did miss having tactile buttons for next/prev...until I figured out the double/triple tap power button trick. This one is just as resilient as the Gen1 so far.

I only run about 30 miles a week. But I'm all around happy with the Gen6 Nano with Nike+. It does what I want: plays my music and tracks my run.

On another note, I highly recommend the Adidas/Sennheiser PMX680/680i headphones for running.

Radio
Jul 17, 2012, 09:57 AM
if u are a long distance runner then a shuffle or something with no screen does little use.

i run with my iphone and armband.

i need to know my pace and distance and time.

interval runs? again my iphone - RUNMETER!

so op to answer your question to really gear it to a a runner we need something like the pebble watch connected to a gps unit like our iphone.

now if something light ran runmeter then we are talking.

but not everyone runs 10+ miles on a single run

knux11
Jul 19, 2012, 05:36 AM
i basically run with a fanny pack. keep my iphone in it when running, using the nike+ apps and c25k.

ajguckian
Aug 9, 2012, 09:04 AM
If you are running even somewhat seriously, you might as well get a GPS watch. They cost as little as 99$, and worth every single cent. Much more accurate than using a phone GPS/Nike+ accelerometer, and almost all upload to the web.

I would personally LOVE to see a more runner friendly version of the shuffle/nano. More so the shuffle, as I don't really need to see anything when I'm running aside from the road. My shuffle, which was bought about 2 months after the last gen was released, lasted until yesterday, when I finally sweat it to death. I'm a profuse sweater though, I can lose as much as 6 pounds of water weight during a run over an hour, and I always wore it on my waistband. I can't believe how long it lasted.

Maybe a small gasket for the earphone jack, and a bit behind the movable parts would make it an almost perfect running companion. If it included some on the nike+ stuff that would be neat, and would definitely make it a running favorite.

And really, for 49$ I really can't complain about how long it lasted me.

SteppingStone
Aug 9, 2012, 09:27 AM
On the rare occasions I bring something to track my run, I just put my iPhone in a SPI belt.

I'd prefer to use something nano-sized but the accuracy isn't very good.

ftaok
Aug 9, 2012, 10:05 AM
If you are running even somewhat seriously, you might as well get a GPS watch. They cost as little as 99$, and worth every single cent. Much more accurate than using a phone GPS/Nike+ accelerometer, and almost all upload to the web.

You might also consider getting a GPS watch that supports a footpod type device. A lot of people run indoors as well ... GPS is useless indoors, so a footpod can help track your speed/splits/etc.

ajguckian
Aug 13, 2012, 12:22 PM
You might also consider getting a GPS watch that supports a footpod type device. A lot of people run indoors as well ... GPS is useless indoors, so a footpod can help track your speed/splits/etc.

I actually do have a footpod for my Garmin 610. I mainly use it for tracking cadance, but is a pretty nice piece to use on the Dreadmill as well!

deeddawg
Aug 14, 2012, 11:21 AM
I actually do have a footpod for my Garmin 610. I mainly use it for tracking cadance, but is a pretty nice piece to use on the Dreadmill as well!

An added benefit is a better Instant Pace when outdoors if you set Speed Source to be the footpod.

ajguckian
Aug 16, 2012, 09:36 AM
An added benefit is a better Instant Pace when outdoors if you set Speed Source to be the footpod.

I've never actually liked that, but it's because my stride rate/length changes dramatically between different paces. Seems to throw the paces just as out of whack as the instant pace from GPS. I'm a fan of having AVG Pace showing, and Instant Pace. Most people I run with don't have those issues though, and have theirs set up the same way.

brilliant
Aug 20, 2012, 06:51 AM
i basically run with a fanny pack. keep my iphone in it when running, using the nike+ apps and c25k.

hahahaha the mental image.

knux11
Aug 23, 2012, 03:30 AM
hahahaha the mental image.

funny.

but my shirt usually covers it up anyway, and if it didn't, well i've never been one who's too worried about what people think, so no biggie. it does work much better than buying a new exercise case any time i switch phones (which i admit is more often than it should be).

kpat
Aug 28, 2012, 11:34 AM
In essence, my desire is to have a product that includes everything in my iPod Nano (with wireless headphones) and fuse it with my Garmin 305 watch. All the data, all the music. Make the display readable without a backlight (or just put a small fusion reactor in there).

Oh, and while they are at it, give me a subscription to iTunes music - I haven't bought a song in over 18 months since subscribing with Rdio.

The Motorola MOTOACTV just about fits the bill as far as features go, but I want Apple to do it.

PinkyMacGodess
Aug 28, 2012, 07:09 PM
i basically run with a fanny pack. keep my iphone in it when running, using the nike+ apps and c25k.

EVERYONE tells me that fanny packs are OUT, 'gay', and make people look like mental patients... I use it biking now. But seriously, the fanny pack is THE BEST to carry my wallet, iPhone, and car keys.

PinkyMacGodess
Aug 28, 2012, 07:24 PM
I'd prefer to use something nano-sized but the accuracy isn't very good.

Well, the degree of accuracy depends on how it's calibrated. I had to do it a few times as my speed and fitness level changed overtime. I wouldn't be too upset about using a Nano for fitness.

CASLondon
Aug 28, 2012, 10:05 PM
If you are running even somewhat seriously, you might as well get a GPS watch. They cost as little as 99$, and worth every single cent. Much more accurate than using a phone GPS/Nike+ accelerometer, and almost all upload to the web.


my feeling is this isn't true.

I run with iPhone 4s, using Runmeter app. Turn off the cell data and wifi while running to maximize GPS accuracy, and its very accurate indeed.

I use a Wahoo Fitness bluetooth 4 Heart Rate monitor, again, very accurate, no wires, no extras.

Great combination.

Runmeter is a great app, no social required, export data in every format, please do check out this app as I think its the most pro running app out there.

http://www.abvio.com/runmeter/

And Wahoo Fitness gear

http://www.wahoofitness.com/

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In essence, my desire is to have a product that includes everything in my iPod Nano (with wireless headphones) and fuse it with my Garmin 305 watch. All the data, all the music. Make the display readable without a backlight (or just put a small fusion reactor in there).

Oh, and while they are at it, give me a subscription to iTunes music - I haven't bought a song in over 18 months since subscribing with Rdio.

The Motorola MOTOACTV just about fits the bill as far as features go, but I want Apple to do it.

its called iPhone

nalimOwl
Aug 29, 2012, 12:09 AM
I only use my nano for runs because clipping it to my waistband is perfect. Unfortunately I think my sweat is starting to ruin its connection to my earbuds :(. I don't use the Nike+ app because it's never been accurate (for me, anyway) and I always end up mapping my runs on mapmyrun.com anyway. I know I could use the mapmyrun app on my iPhone but I don't like having any extra bulk on my runs - just some solid tunes to help push through those later miles.