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Jun 19, 2012, 02:07 PM
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Following yesterday's news (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/18/apple-preparing-to-seed-developer-builds-of-os-x-10-7-5/) that Apple was preparing to begin seeding versions of OS X 10.7.5 to developers, the first of those developer seeds has now been released. This first version arrives as Build 11G15 and asks testers to focus their efforts on the following areas:- Graphics performance and quality
- Image & Media importing, editing or viewing
- Networking reliability & performanceThe build weighs in at 937 MB for the delta version and 1.87 GB for the combo version that can be used to upgrade from any prior version of OS X Lion.

There are no known issues associated with this build, but a timetable for a public release is unknown. Apple has announced that it will be launching OS X Mountain Lion sometime next month, and it is likely looking to release OS X 10.7.5 before that time, although the company has occasionally released maintenance updates for its operating systems even after their successors have launched.

Article Link: Apple Seeds OS X 10.7.5 Build 11G15 to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/19/apple-seeds-os-x-10-7-5-build-11g15-to-developers/)



Lone Deranger
Jun 19, 2012, 02:12 PM
Graphics performance and quality

Updated OpenGL drivers? Wouldn't that be nice.

Mr-Stabby
Jun 19, 2012, 02:14 PM
Might be worth looking to see if there are any graphics drivers for unreleased models :) What with the iMac and Mac Mini overdue.

fabian9
Jun 19, 2012, 02:17 PM
Can't wait for Mountain Lion, some really useful features in it for me. :)

Mr. Retrofire
Jun 19, 2012, 02:17 PM
iThink: Mountain Lion release date = Lion 10.7.5 release date.

RichardBeer
Jun 19, 2012, 02:20 PM
Don't hold your breath on the openGL drivers, it seems that the newer cards have a better implementation but for older cards such as mine, I've been stuck on a a partial 3.x implementation for ages but mostly 2.1.

Peace
Jun 19, 2012, 02:23 PM
Might be worth looking to see if there are any graphics drivers for unreleased models :) What with the iMac and Mac Mini overdue.

Here's a list of supported boards.

I can't make heads or tails out of them though. Perhaps someone who knows about these codes would know more :

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jrath1
Jun 19, 2012, 02:25 PM
Does the update fix the default avatar images? Tired of seeing mine pixellated on login.

iMikeT
Jun 19, 2012, 02:26 PM
One for the road...

T-Will
Jun 19, 2012, 02:45 PM
Image & Media importing, editing or viewing

Anyone know what this refers to exactly?

BigZ9
Jun 19, 2012, 02:45 PM
I hope they fixed the loss of resolution options on some macs.

Xenomorph
Jun 19, 2012, 03:05 PM
I hope they fixed the loss of resolution options on some macs.

You talking about how 1440x900 isn't selectable on some MacBook Pros?

It can do 1280x800 or 1680x1050, but 1440x900 was missing. I could select 1440x852 (wtf?), but it would end up either stretched or letterboxed. In fact, I could choose a *lot* of random/useless resolutions - but not 1440x900.

10.6 was "missing" the resolution on my 2010 MacBook Pro. My 2006 MacBook Pro can select 1440x900 just fine. I figured 10.7 would put 1440x900 back on my 2010 MacBook Pro... Nope!

I ended up buying SwitchResX (http://www.madrau.com/). That put 1440x900 back on there. It's listed for 14.00 (~$17.76) on their website.


1) System Preferences -> SwitchResX -> Color LCD -> Custom Resolutions
2) Hit "+" -> Scaled Resolution -> 1440x900
3) Apply. No reboot needed.

Tulipone
Jun 19, 2012, 03:11 PM
I'm yet to understand how I'm going to be better off with the new OS. I don't use cloud services and from what i have seen so far, it all seems too cosmetic and no substance.

What's floating all of you?

rygamble
Jun 19, 2012, 03:16 PM
The biggest thing for me is going to be AirPlay mirroring.

WickedStealthy
Jun 19, 2012, 03:19 PM
No known issues :) Let me laugh at this statement. Still SMB sharing is broken en not functioning properly as it was under Snow Leopard. Every time again setting up a share the password is somehow corrupted after the reboot and requires to set it up again. Even clean installs show this issue....
First fix the bugs before attempting to introduce new useless features or even a new OS

mw360
Jun 19, 2012, 03:25 PM
4090 times?

Google Results (http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22weighs+in+at%22+site:www.macrumors.com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=A-DgT-iOG4TR8QPvl9GVDw)

Navdakilla
Jun 19, 2012, 03:28 PM
The biggest thing for me is going to be AirPlay mirroring.

me too, without a hdmi chord hopefully it will still be able to look and sound similar

sigamy
Jun 19, 2012, 03:33 PM
Anyone know what this refers to exactly?

I'm hopful that the "Image & Media importing, editing or viewing" provide fixes for my 8 month battle to remove constant beachballs from iMovie '11.

Jamie0003
Jun 19, 2012, 03:35 PM
me too, without a hdmi chord hopefully it will still be able to look and sound similar

Same here, although I do wish Apple would offer an extended desktop mode as well.

Chupa Chupa
Jun 19, 2012, 03:41 PM
Here's a list of supported boards.

I can't make heads or tails out of them though. Perhaps someone who knows about these codes would know more :


Oooh. Thanks. I was wondering if this build would be compatible w/ the RMBPs. I cross-referenced w/ Geekbench and see that it is.

daneoni
Jun 19, 2012, 03:43 PM
I'm yet to understand how I'm going to be better off with the new OS. I don't use cloud services and from what i have seen so far, it all seems too cosmetic and no substance.

What's floating all of you?

I use cloud services and like cosmetics? *shrug*

benwiggy
Jun 19, 2012, 03:48 PM
- Image & Media importing, editing or viewing
Here's hoping that this includes the following:
1. User-created Quartz Filters don't work. At all. Try duplicating an existing Filter in ColorSync Utility, and nothing happens when you apply it to a PDF file.

2. If you have "Open each document in a new window" as a preference in Preview, you can't print files directly from the Finder that open in Preview. You get an error message.

3. The "Save As PDF-X" workflow present in 10.6 is no longer in Lion. It cannot be copied from Snow Leopard. It cannot be entirely replicated in Automator, and the closest equivalent actions flag errors in Safari and Mail.

4. If you Duplicate and Save a PDF in Preview and apply a Quartz Filter in the Save dialog, the file on disk has the filter applied, but the window in Preview (which has the new filename) doesn't.

Personally, I love many of the things in Lion that people complain about, like Resume and AutoSave. I find AirDrop really useful too. There's much that's improved over 10.6. But there's loads that still needs fixing. I'm hoping this is it.

QCassidy352
Jun 19, 2012, 03:48 PM
I'm yet to understand how I'm going to be better off with the new OS. I don't use cloud services and from what i have seen so far, it all seems too cosmetic and no substance.

What's floating all of you?

If you don't use iCloud, then there's not much point. But if I didn't want iCloud, I'd still be on 10.6. iCloud, however, rocks, so I'll be upgrading again.

Also, dictation would be pretty cool if it's as good as on the iPhone 4s. And the new safari, and the ability to receive on my Mac iMessages sent to my iPhone's phone number.

Kilamite
Jun 19, 2012, 03:53 PM
Please please please fix hiding applications, where they don't get sent to the end of the application switcher (CMD+TAB).

I repeat this every time a new 10.7.x release is pending. This is the only thing broke in Lion that drives me up the wall when it comes to workflow/productivity!

QCassidy352
Jun 19, 2012, 04:03 PM
Please please please fix hiding applications, where they don't get sent to the end of the application switcher (CMD+TAB).

I repeat this every time a new 10.7.x release is pending. This is the only thing broke in Lion that drives me up the wall when it comes to workflow/productivity!

I wouldn't say that's broken. That's how I want and expect it to work. I can see how you'd prefer it the other way too, though.

iBug2
Jun 19, 2012, 04:06 PM
The extremely large (1.9GB) combo suggests that this probably has the retina-quality images throughout the OS.

Munas
Jun 19, 2012, 04:16 PM
I hope this update will finally fix network problems when both Ethernet and Wifi are enabled at the same time. In my case, and looking to Apple forums many other have the same problem, when for some reason Mac brings a message "This computer's local host name "name-2.local" is already in use on this network. The name has been changed to "name-3.local". and after some time it renames name-3.local to name-4.local etc... as well it fills log file with usbmuxd errors with bonjour removal.

zin
Jun 19, 2012, 04:37 PM
Graphics performance and quality

My heart stopped.

Due to the excitement around the possibility of updated (and better) graphics drivers.

gatortpk
Jun 19, 2012, 04:40 PM
Apple has announced that it will be launching OS X Mountain Lion sometime next month, and it is likely looking to release OS X 10.7.5 before that time, although the company has occasionally released maintenance updates for its operating systems even after their successors have launched.

The only time there has been a minor OS X update after the successor has been launched was OS X 10.4.11 after OS X 10.5 was released. However other security updates have been released many times for an older version of OS X after the next major OS X was released.

Does this article imply that 10.8 could be released before 10.7.5? Or are maintenance updates different from minor OS X updates?

BigZ9
Jun 19, 2012, 04:48 PM
You talking about how 1440x900 isn't selectable on some MacBook Pros?

It can do 1280x800 or 1680x1050, but 1440x900 was missing. I could select 1440x852 (wtf?), but it would end up either stretched or letterboxed. In fact, I could choose a *lot* of random/useless resolutions - but not 1440x900.

10.6 was "missing" the resolution on my 2010 MacBook Pro. My 2006 MacBook Pro can select 1440x900 just fine. I figured 10.7 would put 1440x900 back on my 2010 MacBook Pro... Nope!

I ended up buying SwitchResX (http://www.madrau.com/). That put 1440x900 back on there. It's listed for 14.00 (~$17.76) on their website.


1) System Preferences -> SwitchResX -> Color LCD -> Custom Resolutions
2) Hit "+" -> Scaled Resolution -> 1440x900
3) Apply. No reboot needed.


Well my iMac only has the resolutions 1920 x 1200 and 960 x 600 after the 10.7.4 update. I lost everything else :\ And I shouldn't have to pay fat stacks to fix apples mistake.

Taz Mangus
Jun 19, 2012, 04:55 PM
I am hoping that screen sharing/file sharing fixes are in 10.7.5. I do really like the screen sharing virtual desktops in Lion, very useful.

gumblecosby
Jun 19, 2012, 05:02 PM
Please please please fix hiding applications, where they don't get sent to the end of the application switcher (CMD+TAB).

I repeat this every time a new 10.7.x release is pending. This is the only thing broke in Lion that drives me up the wall when it comes to workflow/productivity!

It hasn't changed in Mountain Lion either unfortunately.

kwiiboy
Jun 19, 2012, 05:46 PM
Ok so there is some kind of iOS AirDrop pane in Finder. It doesn't seem to do anything though.
https://p.twimg.com/AvyXS_DCEAEcDAV.jpg

ikir
Jun 19, 2012, 06:25 PM
Updated OpenGL drivers? Wouldn't that be nice.

Every release of Lion has boosted 3D performance. Any further improvements is welcome!

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Does the update fix the default avatar images? Tired of seeing mine pixellated on login.

Just change it again and pixel will gone

Lancer
Jun 19, 2012, 06:32 PM
Is it just me or are these updates getting too big, I know most have fast internet with huge limits (or unlimited) but others are going to struggle DL them. Does Apple offer free WiFi to get them in store? That's okay if you have a MacBook but no good for the iMac.

Mr. Wonderful
Jun 19, 2012, 06:32 PM
Good news for those who cannot upgrade to 10.8, businesses, or those who won't be able to update right away.

dysamoria
Jun 19, 2012, 07:02 PM
It would be nice if they'd freakin fix this:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/17627622#17627622

Lance-AR
Jun 19, 2012, 08:40 PM
The local Apple store does have a public wifi. I think the larger downloads will continue. It doesn't bother me personally but I do have friends who would have an issue.

Icy1007
Jun 19, 2012, 08:54 PM
I hope this update will finally fix network problems when both Ethernet and Wifi are enabled at the same time. In my case, and looking to Apple forums many other have the same problem, when for some reason Mac brings a message "This computer's local host name "name-2.local" is already in use on this network. The name has been changed to "name-3.local". and after some time it renames name-3.local to name-4.local etc... as well it fills log file with usbmuxd errors with bonjour removal.
I've never encountered this issue. I have both ethernet and wifi enabled and in use.

throAU
Jun 19, 2012, 09:19 PM
I'm yet to understand how I'm going to be better off with the new OS. I don't use cloud services and from what i have seen so far, it all seems too cosmetic and no substance.

What's floating all of you?

for me

- local time machine backups (i.e., time machine still backs up to your local disk when your time machine drive is not available).
- swipe from desktop to desktop (useful when running fullscreen apps)
- full screen
- versions
- application sandboxing - security is important to me, and i believe the mac is ripe for attack

as a trackpad user, lion rocks.

the performance is mostly sorted out these days.

the cloud services don't even rate a mention as far as i'm concerned, lion is more than that.

jmcguckin
Jun 19, 2012, 09:20 PM
Is it just me or are these updates getting too big, I know most have fast internet with huge limits (or unlimited) but others are going to struggle DL them. Does Apple offer free WiFi to get them in store? That's okay if you have a MacBook but no good for the iMac.

ya, I've had to do that on more than one occasion. just walk in, explain that you need to download an update but don't have an especially fast internet connection at home and ask to use one of their hardwire connections in/near the Genius Bar (they've never given me an issue with doing this). btw, to give you an idea of its speed, I was able to download the full Lion upgrade (nearly 4GB) in about 2min over the wired connection at my local Apple Store last summer- it's good stuff :).

BWhaler
Jun 19, 2012, 09:34 PM
Please tell me they fixed the issue when you command-tab from a full screen app to a space with lots of apps, it brings the correct app to the forefront.

It's so frustrating to have Lion go to the correct space, activate the app, but not show the correct window. I am stunned this has not be fixed yet.

zarusoba
Jun 19, 2012, 10:07 PM
Will I be able to upgrade directly to Mountain Lion from Snow Leopard?

And how will it perform on a Core2Duo iMac 4GB of RAM?

jonnysods
Jun 19, 2012, 11:07 PM
Flip man, I hope that they fix the issue I have when switching user accounts. It beach balls non stop then I have to just force the machine to power off.

It's all I ask!

CoreForce
Jun 20, 2012, 12:34 AM
Maybe the WiFi issue is gone where connection drops randomly and has to run through diagnose to have it established again, finally?

NovapaX
Jun 20, 2012, 05:21 AM
Wow... some people here need to do some stuff:
- Download and install latest combo update again.
- try a fresh user account
- Boot with option key and select recovery-HD -> reinstall Lion...

This mostly fixes some weird issues caused by a lot of upgrades, migrations and other bad-written-software stuff.

But I agree, it shouldn't be necessary, and mostly it isn't...
wife migrated and updated from Tiger to Lion (with everything in-between) just by clicking 'next' every time ;) Worked like a charm...

koolmagicguy
Jun 20, 2012, 07:03 AM
You talking about how 1440x900 isn't selectable on some MacBook Pros?

It can do 1280x800 or 1680x1050, but 1440x900 was missing. I could select 1440x852 (wtf?), but it would end up either stretched or letterboxed. In fact, I could choose a *lot* of random/useless resolutions - but not 1440x900.

10.6 was "missing" the resolution on my 2010 MacBook Pro. My 2006 MacBook Pro can select 1440x900 just fine. I figured 10.7 would put 1440x900 back on my 2010 MacBook Pro... Nope!

I ended up buying SwitchResX (http://www.madrau.com/). That put 1440x900 back on there. It's listed for 14.00 (~$17.76) on their website.


1) System Preferences -> SwitchResX -> Color LCD -> Custom Resolutions
2) Hit "+" -> Scaled Resolution -> 1440x900
3) Apply. No reboot needed.


You might want to post things like this in the forums.

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Is it just me or are these updates getting too big, I know most have fast internet with huge limits (or unlimited) but others are going to struggle DL them. Does Apple offer free WiFi to get them in store? That's okay if you have a MacBook but no good for the iMac.

It's just you.

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Will I be able to upgrade directly to Mountain Lion from Snow Leopard?

And how will it perform on a Core2Duo iMac 4GB of RAM?

Yes. 4GB is probably not enough even for Lion.

Navdakilla
Jun 20, 2012, 09:38 AM
Mountain Lion is being released this summer right?

atMac
Jun 20, 2012, 10:32 AM
You might want to post things like this in the forums.

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It's just you.

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Yes. 4GB is probably not enough even for Lion.

Users in my office run C2D macbook Pros with Lion just fine. So does every Air owner.

milo
Jun 20, 2012, 12:07 PM
And how will it perform on a Core2Duo iMac 4GB of RAM?

Is your machine able to boot with the 64 bit kernel? It needs to, otherwise it can't install ML at all.

jpine
Jun 20, 2012, 12:20 PM
I'm yet to understand how I'm going to be better off with the new OS. I don't use cloud services and from what i have seen so far, it all seems too cosmetic and no substance.

What's floating all of you?

I still have not figured out how I'm better off with Lion on my old Core2 Duo MBP. I'm switching back to SL. Maybe the older OS will let me boot faster than 1.5 minutes.

dcorban
Jun 20, 2012, 12:27 PM
4GB is probably not enough even for Lion.
Absolutely incorrect.

fabian9
Jun 20, 2012, 03:05 PM
Mountain Lion is being released this summer right?

In July, so between 11 and 41 days from today!

h00ligan
Jun 20, 2012, 04:24 PM
I still have not figured out how I'm better off with Lion on my old Core2 Duo MBP. I'm switching back to SL. Maybe the older OS will let me boot faster than 1.5 minutes.

The problem is, applications are requiring it now.. and that's only going to get worse.

benwiggy
Jun 21, 2012, 06:54 AM
I still have not figured out how I'm better off with Lion on my old Core2 Duo MBP. I'm switching back to SL. Maybe the older OS will let me boot faster than 1.5 minutes.
I have a Core2Duo iMac from 2006, and it runs Lion beautifully with 3GB*. Lion has a lot of nice touches, particularly in the Finder. Copying files has new features, including the possibility to rename rather than overwrite.
Spotlight has easier ways of using search tags, i.e. "Emails from", "Date Created", "Audio bitrate", etc.

Personally, I love Resume: I switch off my Mac at night, so it's nice in the morning to turn it on and have everything restored. Auto-save and Versions is great, too, though I have to remember which apps do it and which I have to save still! It's a major change in the way you think about files, which some people can't get used to.

There are many little improvements. (Though a fair few bugs as well.) If you really want to know more, the Ars Technical review is very thorough.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/

If your machine can't cope with 10.8, then I would move up to Lion. Otherwise, you might as well skip it and get Mountain Lion.

* Lion seems to use as much memory as you have. Lots of people have cried out "OMG where's all my Free RAM gone". But memory is there to be used. Nothing wrong with an OS that uses all your RAM.

h00ligan
Jun 22, 2012, 09:24 PM
It fixes sata 6 ssd issues for me. Fwiw. 2007 mbp

chevalier433
Jun 26, 2012, 06:54 AM
Has anyone try it?

samdev
Jul 19, 2012, 09:55 AM
Can't wait for this update!

I'm reluctant to update to 10.7.4 due to some bad reviews, so I'm hoping I can skip a version and go straight to 10.7.5 with this combo update.

That's what combo updates are for, right?

ThomasJL
Jul 28, 2012, 10:42 AM
Can't wait for this update!

I'm reluctant to update to 10.7.4 due to some bad reviews, so I'm hoping I can skip a version and go straight to 10.7.5 with this combo update.

That's what combo updates are for, right?

Right.

MrNomNoms
Jul 29, 2012, 02:28 AM
Can't wait for this update!

I'm reluctant to update to 10.7.4 due to some bad reviews, so I'm hoping I can skip a version and go straight to 10.7.5 with this combo update.

That's what combo updates are for, right?

And you tend to find that people doing those views are full of crap given that there are a various range of circumstances that can contribute to the issue but because said reviewers are intellectually lazy they look for the easiest target. Having started my Mac experience in the 10.2.x days up until now there is the rare occasion there are bugs but most in my experience can be traced back to decisions the end user has made about their setup.