Final Roundup... iBooks and Powerbooks

[MacRumors]

The time draws near...

Various news sources expect iBook updates to take place on November 6th. CNet, PowerPage, ThinkSecret and others have posted similar specs of the upcoming iBooks, with further proof (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/11/20021103230828.shtml) provided by Apple themselves on price drops of the iBook to $999. The only dissent comes from YourDailyMac.com (http://www.yourdailymac.com), who hint at a surprise iBook 32MB Video Ram upgrade.

Specs and rumors about Powerbook updates are notably absent, however, with only PowerPage (http://www.powerpage.org) skirting the issue with talk of Powerbook MWSF 2003 updates. Unofficial specs (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?threadid=13829) have floated around... and As The AppleTurns (http://www.appleturns.com) even claims to be the only rumor site to predict Superdrives with the Powerbook, despite our claims (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/10/20021030125814.shtml) of a similar update. Of interest... Powerbook supplies are low, but not at zero at this time. But if Powerbooks are to be delayed, why was did Apple's site also "]reflect a $200 drop ([url="http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/11/20021103230828.shtml) in Powerbook prices as well?

[awulf]

Interesting, I wonder what will happen?

[eddively]

Everything looks good. A nice clincher would be 32 MB VRAM on the iBooks and (this one we won't get for sure though) the Radeon 9000 *I think the one after 7500 is 9000 but it may be some other 9xxxx* 64MB VRAM for a more longterm laptop.

Go apple, I'll be checking my Sidekick during school tomorrow for the awesome news.

[medea]

I can't wait to see what will be unveiled for the iBooks, my only hope is that the possible $999 model will at least sport a cdr drive. As far as the powerbooks go, who the hell does as the apple turns think they are??????bastards. The powerbooks are out of my range, but I hope you guys get what you want in them.

[arn]

Originally posted by medea
I can't wait to see what will be unveiled for the iBooks, my only hope is that the possible $999 model will at least sport a cdr drive.

I think the iBook specs are pretty much a given... (expect the vram issue)

arn

[shadowfax]

thanks for your good wishes medea. they really need the radeon 9000 w/ 64 MB on the PB.. that's my biggest wish, honestly... i wouldn't mind 933 MHz or 1 GHz... they are both substantially faster, esp if they go to the 2MB L3... but i don't think they will. all i really want is that radeon 9000. and 5400 rpm on all HDDs, though i am getting the 60 GB anyways, so i already got that part down.

[ljova.com]

Well the good thing about computers is just because supplies are LOW, that doesn't make something a "get it now" collectors item.

I wonder what the new TiBooks will bring. The longer I wait, the more I dream. HOpe Steve Jobs is cooking up the dream machine.

[MDiddy]

I think that there will be a noticable differenc ein application performance with new Powerbooks if the architecture is similar to the new Power Macs....I've used both the old Dual 1GHz, and the new 1GHz, and 1.25GHz duellys, and the difference in Jaguar is really noticable. I don't know if its the DDR RAM, extra L3 cache or what. The machiens boots faster, and the application performace is snappier.

Getting back to topic;

If an 867MHz PowerBook debuts at $2299, i may just go for an old 800MHz model. Surely they'll drop to $2099 or $1999. Unless I see a SuperDrive and the Radeon 9000 64MB. If not, there's no compelling reason

[reyesmac]

When will we see a bigger bus on the consumer line? Would a G3 be to close in performance to a Powerbook? Did the G3 powerbook get past a 100mhz bus?

[JtheLemur]

Man. i havent been really excited at an Apple release in a VERY long time.

I mean, I was excited about XServe, but on a strictly professional level.. "oh wow, that'll help my clients!"

But on a personal level, it's just this feeling of.... 'meh' (to quote Lisa Simpson)

Software offerings are alright... but...

The expos have been utter garbage! NOTHING had made me raise an eyebrow in so long! The new iMac is cool and all, definitely, but it doesn't cut it as a pro machine at all. I love my iBook but MAN it is just SLUGGO under Jaguar.

And just ALL this 'drama' with speed! It USED to be the Megahertz Myth, but guess what - Intel is so far ahead that it's managed to COUNTERACT the Myth. It's funny because now AMD gets to use the Megahertz Myth - and it holds true for them, since a PC I have with an Athlon XP 2400+ (@2.0 GHz) smokes a 2.8GHz P4! But my 867 MHz G4 is just no match for either, especially under Jag. The AMD kills it using almost any Photoshop filter. I think they just need to stop kidding themselves and us, drop Moto (like the rest of the world is doing! look around!!!), and roll with IBM. Man, I think if anyone still says that a G4 can kill a P4 or an AMD actually needs to sit in front of a well-built PC and try it for themselves.

I love Apple and I'm not about to abandon the platform, but they are capable of SO much MORE! WHAT is keeping them tied to Moto? I mean, SOMEthing has to be...

Apple: "Moto, you're out of the Trinity. IBM's chips can destroy yours without even being plugged into a motherboard."
Moto: "Wait... one more thing..."
Apple: "Don't patronize us."
Moto: "Okay okay okay, hold on... (rummages through brown paper bag) We've got this chip that you can change the speed through messing with the firmware! We can give you a ton of these chips and you can increment the speed every few months! What a money saver!"
Apple: "What's the ceiling?"
Moto: "Well, hmmm, about 900MHz... it was designed for the embedded market..."
Apple: "Oh Moto... (shakes head condescendingly)..."
Moto: "Two cents each though!"
Apple: "In that case, give us ONE MILLION."

I mean, the second a family of processors is targeted at the EMBEDDED market, shouldn't you think about swithcing vendors? Hell even if it was obscenely fast - it's all about perception. I look at a G4 and think "Wow, that's the same processor in my cable box. And ****, my CABLE box lags and crashes once in a while..."

I mean, Intel has a mobile chip, AMD will soon. Right now they run at 400MHz. Granted that's 'only' megahertz, but you know, I have an iBook that runs at 500MHz....

Okay I'm done. That was actually my first really big rant about this stuff so give me a break! =D

*justin

[SilentPanda]

So I'm considering getting an iBook. But my first Mac is this G4 800 Mhz flat panel iMac. Obviously the G3 is going to be slower. But how much slower? My intent is to do some light programming in Cocoa (prob not OpenGL, just Aqua GUI apps), most likely Macromedia Flash, and of course your standard web browsing, iTunes type stuff. I don't have a concern that web browsing and iTunes won't work. My concern would be more on the side of Cocoa and Flash. Is the 700 Mhz G3 sufficient? I can throw in some RAM to boost 'er up but it'll probably only got up to the 128 that comes with it with another 512 MB that I'll put in myself (non-apple memory being cheaper and all). I'm gonna upgrade it to have a DVD drive in it but I don't really care about burning CD's on the go. I dig the 12.1 inch screen because it's small. I used my friends powerbook (15.2" screen) and disliked it only because of the screen size. I refuse to buy a laptop whose screen is larger than my desktop... :) Anyhow... I'm eagerly awaiting Apples update. I'm selling a ton of stuff on eBay to afford this laptop and seeing the price go down would be a big help... that and I can get my educational discout too.

Thanks.

[Upright Joe]

On laptops, I'm not sure the processor speed should be most people's top priority.

From my experiences with my Wintel laptop, I'd have to say 5400 RPM drives would be a bigger performance boost than anything given the type of tasks I use my computer for. I have a PIII 1.2 GHz and I never see the processor utilization get above 30% even when my laptop is bogged down to a total crawl.

I will definitely have to BTO the 60 gig 5400 RPM drive when I finally buy a PowerBook. Hopefully, the battery drain isn't too much higher on it.

After reading the comparison between the Radeon 9000 and the 7500 on Tom's Hardware, I don't see where it would be a significant benefit. Aside from the slight power advantage, why is everybody wanting them so badly?

Obviously, the SuperDrive would be the killer selling point. I'm torn as to whether or not I'll jump on this revision if it doesn't have one. (assuming of course we're seeing a revision)

[RMWallen]

Has anyone noticed the $360 savings if you buy a powerbook through the apple developer connection? This may futher show that apple is trying to get rid of inventory before they release a new powerbook.

[Fins160]

I just purchased a powerbook 800 Ultimate config, and they said they cannot ship until mid december because of backorders on the 60gig HD. I am so disappointed!!! But it is strange that supplies are low given the price drop.

[bertinman]

Originally posted by medea
I can't wait to see what will be unveiled for the iBooks, my only hope is that the possible $999 model will at least sport a cdr drive. As far as the powerbooks go, who the hell does as the apple turns think they are??????bastards. The powerbooks are out of my range, but I hope you guys get what you want in them.

As I said before, in another thread, I really think they are being sarcastic. They make fun of apple things, and silly ramblings of what is going on--I havn't read in awhile, but they use to be quite funny and a pick-me-up on slow work days.

I think they were trying to put out the idea that very few people think that the powerbook will get superdrives, they even had their newborn girl (6 and a half year old) be the person to predict it.

Give these people a break, they try to add alittle humor to the apple world--which is always needed in any world.

- bert :cool:

[fpnc]

Okay, let me settle the controversy. There WILL be new PowerBooks this week. The reason I feel confident in saying this is that I’m not that lucky. Lucky? Well, last Friday I agreed that Apple would soon introduce 933 MHz and 800 MHz speed bumps to the PowerBook line. However, I was somewhat hopeful that there would be NO upgrades this year because this past May I purchased a new 800 MHz PowerBook and frankly it would be really nice to exit year 2002 still owning the fastest PowerBook available. But, I don’t see that happening (as I said I’m not that lucky). In any case, if there is NOT a new PowerBook this year then I suspect that the resale value on my 800 MHz unit will go up by 10 to 20 percent. Consider this, the 800 MHz PowerBook will forever be the fastest notebook that will boot into OS 9, it will retain all the speed advantages that OS 9 offers, all the software compatibility, and it will still run OS X and Quartz Extreme very nicely. It should be a win-win for all of the existing PowerBook DVI owners. In fact, if new PowerBooks aren’t introduced then this year’s DVI PowerBooks will likely become THE classic PowerBook of all time.

So DO expect to see new PowerBooks this week, because I’m just not that lucky. ;-)

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by MDiddy
I think that there will be a noticable differenc ein application performance with new Powerbooks if the architecture is similar to the new Power Macs....I've used both the old Dual 1GHz, and the new 1GHz, and 1.25GHz duellys, and the difference in Jaguar is really noticable. I don't know if its the DDR RAM, extra L3 cache or what. The machiens boots faster, and the application performace is snappier.

Getting back to topic;

If an 867MHz PowerBook debuts at $2299, i may just go for an old 800MHz model. Surely they'll drop to $2099 or $1999. Unless I see a SuperDrive and the Radeon 9000 64MB. If not, there's no compelling reason

That's strange because barefeats said that the new dual gig is not really any faster then the old dual gig.

[shadowfax]

originally posted by fpnc
So DO expect to see new PowerBooks this week, because I’m just not that lucky. ;-)

lol. it's still good for you though, either way. you have to bite the bullet. in all honesty, the biggest problem i have with the current powerbooks is the 32 MB DDR VRAM. i have a PIII 933 MHz, 512 MB RAM, 60 GB HDD, 24xCDR/12xDVD, 64 MB DDR GF3Ti200... so a fully loaded powerbook (the only kind i would get) would be better than what i have now in every way except VRAM, and i think that having 64 MB really does make a difference. It's good news that the iBooks are going up to 32 MB VRAM though... that casts a good light on the possibility of 64 on the PBs. i would be ok with the radeon 7500, but i really want the 64 MB to come to it.

[bretm]

Originally posted by fpnc
Okay, let me settle the controversy. There WILL be new PowerBooks this week. The reason I feel confident in saying this is that I’m not that lucky. Lucky? Well, last Friday I agreed that Apple would soon introduce 933 MHz and 800 MHz speed bumps to the PowerBook line. However, I was somewhat hopeful that there would be NO upgrades this year because this past May I purchased a new 800 MHz PowerBook and frankly it would be really nice to exit year 2002 still owning the fastest PowerBook available. But, I don’t see that happening (as I said I’m not that lucky). In any case, if there is NOT a new PowerBook this year then I suspect that the resale value on my 800 MHz unit will go up by 10 to 20 percent. Consider this, the 800 MHz PowerBook will forever be the fastest notebook that will boot into OS 9, it will retain all the speed advantages that OS 9 offers, all the software compatibility, and it will still run OS X and Quartz Extreme very nicely. It should be a win-win for all of the existing PowerBook DVI owners. In fact, if new PowerBooks aren’t introduced then this year’s DVI PowerBooks will likely become THE classic PowerBook of all time.

So DO expect to see new PowerBooks this week, because I’m just not that lucky. ;-)

Huh. On my new dual gig OS 9 appears to run noticeably faster UNDER classic than it does natively. Seriously. Classic launches in 12 seconds or less. If apple could just get the hardware (scanners, etc.) to work through classic, there would be no reason to boot in OS9. On newer machines anyway.

[iMax]

I just have a question about the 7500 vs the 9000 -

if cards are upgradeabe in a tower, then would it be possible to stick a 9000 in a Tibook, regardles of whether or not it came with that? Didn't someone, i think it was sparkeytone, say that they were pin compatible? So agai, what I want to know is, why can't I just install a 9000 in a Tibook that came with a 7500.

[Gus]

Well, mostly because as I understand it, laptop GPUs are soldered to the mothernoard. They are not swappable. In a tower, the GPU takes up a card slot (4XAGP?) and can be removed and replaced. The only option I've seen for a sort-of upgrade for a laptop's VRAM is through an add-on PCMCIA card I saw. It only works for monitors connected externally through said card though, and not with the built-in display. Also, since the iBook lacks a PCMCIA slot, it would be moot on those.

I wish that you could upgrade the laptop's GPU, because then I wouldn't need to replace my Pismo. :)

Gus

[madamimadam]

I have been told that if you do not get an order in for new high end product IMMEDIATELY you should not expect it before Christmas.

:( :(

[shadowfax]

a note about laptop GPUs... if you are really cocky, and you know about pin and interface compatibility, you can switch them out. you have to clip and clean out the old chip and solder the new one on (this voids any semblance of a warranty you may have). that done, there maye still be interface issues, but it certainly works for some things. like you can take out your GF2Go on a dell, and put in the GF4Go... at least i have read about people doing it... but don't jerk the iron when you are soldering, lol.

i think the problem i would see in this is RAM interfaces. the 9000 i think supports a 128 bit RAM interface where the 7500 is on a 64 bit RAM interface... i could be way off though. in any case, the 900 should be backward compatible as far as RAM, so if you can get your hands one a chip (not easy to do).. might try it.

[moo083]

....because I promise you I'll be the first one to order a new powerbook on their site....I've been waiting for the PB to be upgraded for months!

[hagus]

I think you guys need to chill out a bit with the specs. It's really the software that's attracting me to the Macs, not necessarily hardware.

Here's why I'm going to buy my first mac after these price adjustments:

1. Performance is adequate. I use a browser, word processor, compiler, terminal client, MP3 software, DVD software, digital camera software. I don't need to crack DES on this machine.

2. The OS is beautiful. Have you used PCs for any length of time? Mac OS X leaves them for dead. And fsck me dead - don't even MENTION what RH looks like. The fonts and look-n-feel is an abomination in comparison. I've had Linux on desktops since 1996, and it has come a long way - and still has a long way to go.

3. Portability. It's a laptop, and it's durable, and has decent battery life, and it's compact. Nice!

4. Hardware compatibility. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the iBook's soundcard will correctly run under OS X, yes? Try this under Linux. The alsa drivers I compiled lock the laptop on the Dell Inspiron 4100 I use.

5. Screen size. Jesus Christ, can you see that there is no point upgrading to a 13" or 14" screen if the res remains at 1024x768? If the res remains there, a 12.1" screen is FINE. Furthermore, it's portable. If the screen goes up, I want the res going up too. The 14" iBook is a waste of money in this respect.

6. A gripe actually. An iBook should be able to drive an external monitor up to 2048xblah. No excuses here, IMHO.

7. DVD/CD-R. I think this is a fine combo. What else would I want to do? Why do I want to burn DVDs on a laptop again? I sure as hell want to cut CDRs though, and I'll probably want to watch the odd movie too.

8. The power of Unix and the interface of a Mac. To me, this is a marriage made in heaven, marketing hype aside. Sure I can add cygwin to a Windoze machine, but it AIN'T THE SAME. To the Mac guy at the store in North Sydney: bone up on Unix. I asked this guy where the terminal app was, and he's like "Oh, I think that's over here, and I think it's called Terminal". DUDE!! A ********* of people will be buying this because of the Unix capabilities. You are a poor salesmen, and people like you will be Apple's undoing.

9. I can't think of any 9. right now :)

L8r,

Luke.

[gotohamish]

So here's the situation:

iBook 500 with stock 10GB HDD
TiBook 500 with stock 20GB

Both the above at 4200 drivers.

Will they both see a GOOD difference if I upgrade to a 5400 drive? Which manufacturer does everyone trust? I've heard bad things about Fujitsu lately!

[daPhil]

Originally posted by eddively
...Radeon 9000 *I think the one after 7500 is 9000 but it may be some other 9xxxx* 64MB VRAM for a more longterm laptop...


The Radeons are:
7500
8000
9000
9500 (just released, a "9700 light")
9700 (about as fast as the fastest GeForce 4 card)
9700 Pro (kicks all GeForce cards asses)

[Chaszmyr]

Originally posted by daPhil


The Radeons are:
7500
8000
9000
9500 (just released, a "9700 light")
9700 (about as fast as the fastest GeForce 4 card)
9700 Pro (kicks all GeForce cards asses)

There is also the Original Radeon (pre 7500), a 7000, a 7200, and a 8500 (The 8500 is actually a little faster than the 9000), 8500 LE, 7500 All in Wonder, 8500 All In Wonder, 8500 All In Wonder DV, 9700 All In Wonder Pro. and the 9500 is Pro...

Oh... and there is no 8000

[Myname]

Hi,
i'm new entry in the Forum, i'm italian e sorry for my better english... :)
Myname

[Myname]

I think that Apple doesn't want to learn from its own mistakes...
In November 2002 :
- iBook 700 e 800 with(only) 100mhz bus and (only) Radeon Mobilty 16mb (and Quartz Extreme??) ???
- Titanium 800 (o 867)/ 933 (o 1.000) with (only) 133mhz bus and (only) Radeon 7500 32mb ???
In Europe Apple have a high price, not very concorrential...and the it's TechSpecs are not wonderfull...
Remenber also, that the iMac line is very old, very very old, the Techspech of iMac Lcd line are the same of Gennuary 2002...10 Months- 10 Months...incredible...
Myname

[SilentPanda]

On a side note, the iCal graphics, which only existed up until Nov. 5th... they now exist through Nov. 10th. :(

[jthrasher]

and they still aren't here yet. I'm not really looking forward to this release of the ibook cause i go tmy 800 tibook but i know how it feels to be waiting and waiting to upgrade. hopefully for you all it will happen soon.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by hagus
And fsck me dead

Well, I know doing a file system check can be a little tedious when you are in a rush to get some work done but let's not go overboard now.
;) ;)

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by jthrasher
and they still aren't here yet. I'm not really looking forward to this release of the ibook cause i go tmy 800 tibook but i know how it feels to be waiting and waiting to upgrade. hopefully for you all it will happen soon.

Where are you???

I am in Oz and I am not expecting them until 7th because of the time delay between here and the US.

[Mr. Anderson]

its almost here.....

this is at the apple store right now 8:10 AM EST

D

[azentropy]

Apple Store is in "We will be back soon" mode.

[mdouglas]

LOOK!!!!

Apple "store" website "temporarily down"!!!!!!


Yahooo

[macuserx]

Cooool! Been waiting for this for a loooong time now! :D

[akula47]

Yeah no ****, it looks like the sleepy heads have finally freaking got things going this morning. I hope our precious little angels over at Apple are well rested so they can crank out us some new updated notebooks today.

[farmgirlal]

Interesting... the online Apple Store has been temporarily closed for updates... does that mean we're 20 minutes away from seeing the news?!? :confused:

[Stelliform]

SUPERDRIVE!!!!

[HeliX]

The new powerbooks 1GHz with superdrive and $999 iBooks are here!!!!! The powerbooks also have the new radon 9000 mobility chip!

[Classic]

PowerBook:

FAST
$2,299.00
867MHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 & 256K L2 cache
133MHz system bus
256MB SDRAM memory
40GB Ultra ATA hard drive
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
ATI Mobility Radeon 9000
w/32MB DDR video memory
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem
1 FireWire & 2 USB Ports
AirPort Ready

Save $60 instantly
off all memory upgrades!

FASTER
$2,799.00
1GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 & 256K L2 cache
133MHz system bus
512MB SDRAM memory
60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
ATI Mobility Radeon 9000
w/64MB DDR video memory
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem
1 FireWire & 2 USB Ports
AirPort Card Included

Save $260 instantly
off all memory upgrades!

FASTEST
$2,999.00
1GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 & 256K L2 cache
133MHz system bus
512MB SDRAM memory
60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
ATI Mobility Radeon 9000
w/64MB DDR video memory
Gigabit Ethernet
56K internal modem
1 FireWire & 2 USB Ports
AirPort Card Included

Save $260 instantly
off all memory upgrades!

iBook:

12.1" SCreen
$999.00
700MHz PowerPC G3
512K L2 cache @700MHz
128MB SDRAM memory
20GB Ultra ATA drive
ATI Radeon 7500
16MB dedicated video memory
CD-ROM
Built-in 56K v.92 modem
AirPort ready
Up to 5 hr. battery life

Save $10 instantly
off all memory upgrades!

12.1" Screen
$1,299.00
800MHz PowerPC G3
512K L2 cache @800MHz
128MB SDRAM memory
30GB Ultra ATA drive
ATI Radeon 7500
32MB dedicated video memory
Combo Drive
Built-in 56K v.92 modem
AirPort ready
Up to 5 hr. battery life

Save $10 instantly
off all memory upgrades!

14.1" SCreen
$1,599.00
800MHz PowerPC G3
512K L2 cache @800MHz
256MB SDRAM memory
30GB Ultra ATA drive
ATI Radeon 7500
32MB dedicated video memory
Combo Drive
Built-in 56K v.92 modem
AirPort ready
Up to 6 hr. battery life

Save $110 instantly
off all memory upgrades!

14.1" Screen
$1,849.00
800MHz PowerPC G3
512K L2 cache @800MHz
640MB SDRAM memory
40GB Ultra ATA drive
ATI Radeon 7500
32MB dedicated video memory
Combo Drive
Built-in 56K v.92 modem
AirPort ready
Up to 6 hr. battery life

Save $110 instantly
off price shown!

[akula47]

MAN!!! Everyone was freaking WRONG!!! SUPERDRIVE!!! ATI 9000!!! HOLLY ****!!!

[avus]

1GHz
Superdrive
Radeon 9000

$2999

I am buying this!

[pejobass]

THEY ARE OUT!!!!!!!! TI WITH SUPERDRIVE!!!!!!!!!! GO BABY!!!!!!!!!!
APPLE DID IT AGAIN!!!! YOU GUYS ARE FANTASTIC!!

:)

[Over Achiever]

As Homer would say...

WHOOO HOOOOOO!!!


I'm switching, most defintely! Finally, Apple does something I really want!!! I love you apple!!!

[Thirteenva]

And so many people did so much complaining and for what????

I'm still rubbing my eyes and reading this.

I have to go home and start counting change.:D

I don't know what's cooler. The 1 ghz G4 the ATI 9000(with 64mb :D ) or the Superdrive.....


Think they solved the heat issues????

[iShater]

Originally posted by Over Achiever
As Homer would say...

WHOOO HOOOOOO!!!


I'm switching, most defintely! Finally, Apple does something I really want!!! I love you apple!!!

Eeeeexcellent! (Burns style)

Now if my wife would just let me buy a new machine!!! :p

[Stelliform]

OK I am now officially a switcher. My Top end TiBook is on order. 3 to 4 weeks delivery.

I am SOOOOO glad I waited. I didn't think I would be able to afford the top end model, but with the substancial price drops I can get it.

Go APPLE!!!! Steve is most likely laughing his *** off about all the wrong Superdrive rumors. Looks like MacRumors was the place to be. (Oh yeah, and the kid from appleturns.com. :)

[Dee]

Well, seems EVERYONE was wrong. 1Ghz Powerbooks, slot loading Superdrives and ATI 9000 graphics cards are the order of the new powerbook day. No in built bluetooth but then we can't have everything. Not sure what price they'll hit here in the Uk (a small fortune I bet) but it's good to see Apple listening and proving all wrong. Well, I think so anyhow. :)

D.

[Stelliform]

And by the way, Powerbooks have made it back on the hardware page.

:)

:D

[cr2sh]

Notice that the span in prices is only $700!
You'd have to be crazy to drop $2300 and not drop an extra $700 to get twice the ram, 20gigs extra, 133 more mhz and oh yeh.. did I mention a Superdrive? I'm very happy with this offering.. but I'd like to see a great span in prices, a Ti at $2k would have been amazing.

[mcrain]

Originally posted by cr2sh
Notice that the span in prices is only $700!
You'd have to be crazy to drop $2300 and not drop an extra $700 to get twice the ram, 20gigs extra, 133 more mhz and oh yeh.. did I mention a Superdrive? I'm very happy with this offering.. but I'd like to see a great span in prices, a Ti at $2k would have been amazing.

Thank God, I thought I was losing my mind, but it's just normal!

[Xenex]

Originally posted by Macrumors
... and As The AppleTurns (http://www.appleturns.com) even claims to be the only rumor site to predict Superdrives with the Powerbook, despite our claims (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/10/20021030125814.shtml) of a similar update.

As the Apple Turns is comedy - it writes about the world of Apple as if it were analysing a soap opera. It's very well written, and makes reference to some very obscure Apple references.

Calling AtAT a rumour site is simply incorrect. Did you actually read the article; they were joking that their 6-month old daughter had guessed about the Superdrive. In the past, they've also made their predictions from soy-based goat entrails substitute (It's a joke; they're vegans), and whispers from little birds.

They're joking. It's humour. Don't take them so seriously.

Yes, they did say they were disagreeing with all the rumour sites out there, and that was true about the sites they were referring to: MOSR, ThinkSecret, and AppleInsider. When it comes down to it, MacRumors simply are not as well known as those three. The word "all" was a bad choice, perhaps next time they'll say "all major".


Originally posted by medea
As far as the powerbooks go, who the hell does as the apple turns think they are??????bastards.

An Apple-based humorous "soap opera" site with an author too busy raising his daughter to read the more obscure Apple rumour sites, I'd assume.

The first three paragraphs of Wednesday's first "scene" go towards apologising to MacRumors.

"we apologize wholeheartedly for the omission, and assure you all that it was done out of ignorance, not malice."

That response is considered mature.

"who the hell does as the apple turns think they are??????bastards."

is not.

Originally posted by Stelliform
Looks like MacRumors was the place to be. (Oh yeah, and the kid from appleturns.com. :)

As the Apple Turns has been "on the air" for five years.

I understand you're only new to the Mac world, so you might want to hold back on calling the author of one of the older sites a kid...

[Myname]

prova solo una prova...

[arn]

Originally posted by Xenex

Calling AtAT a rumour site is simply incorrect. Did you actually read the article; they were joking that their 6-month old daughter had guessed about the Superdrive. In the past, they've also made their predictions from soy-based goat entrails substitute (It's a joke; they're vegans), and whispers from little birds.

They're joking. It's humour. Don't take them so seriously.



Hey there....

I have nothing against AtAT. But regardless of the writing style, this was a prediction/rumor -- and not just a joke. In contrast to CARS (CrazyAppleRumors), AtAT does make occasional predictions based on sources (aka Rumors).

MOSR, ThinkSecret, and AppleInsider. When it comes down to it, MacRumors simply are not as well known as those three. The word "all" was a bad choice, perhaps next time they'll say "all major".


Heh... I don't want to get into a which site is "bigger" than another site debate... since it's almost impossible to tell without all webmasters submitting log files. I'll just leave it at... we're the most popular mac rumors site (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?threadid=13717) amongst windows users that use alexa. :)


As the Apple Turns has been "on the air" for five years.

I understand you're only new to the Mac world, so you might want to hold back on calling the author of one of the older sites a kid... [/B]

Not sure if this is in reference to me... but regardless, the user who posted was correct... he was refering to AppleTurns's webmaster's child (aka kid). Even Appleturns refers to the child as a kid: "the kid was right!".

arn