Windows Longhorn = Windows Vista

[mrzeve]

from Engadget

Longhorn official name = Windows Vista >
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So there’s been some buzz on this and now it’s looking confirmed by a few insider sources — the official name for the new Microsoft Longhorn operating system is going to be Windows Vista. As in “a view into the distance” which surely refers to the prolonged development timeline of the OS (ouch, we had to.). Look for the official announcement tomorrow morning.

[Thanks, Mitch]

[treblah]

Wow, thats really the worst name I could imagine. Why not Ventanas Vista? ;)

[homerjward]

umm...vista? that's a *really* stupid name. that's about all i can say...

[dejo]

I was looking out over the vista, when I spotted the most gorgeous leopard.

[aspro]

Vista.... that is a really awful name.. Longhorn is much better IMO

[PlaceofDis]

MS is soo good at naming things....not!

sure setting themselves up to flop this time in my opinion

[Heb1228]

My question is who though that would be a good name?!? But then who though Windows was a good idea? I guess XP doesn't mean anything either. But if this report is right, I'm really going to laugh at all my PC friends.

[jiv3turkey748]

i guess vista is fitting since it means look into the distance and vista wont be out until the distant future

[AmericanIdiot12]

I was looking out over the vista, when I spotted the most gorgeous leopard.

lol thats great

i cant wait until "vista" and leopard are released about the same time and the comparisons start

[Nermal]

Hmm, Longhorn = Longtooth, now what can we turn Vista into? :p

[dejo]

Hasta la vista, Windows!

[altair]

Isn't Vista a common name for like a whore house hotel?

[AmigoMac]

Si enciendes el PC, se te acaba la Vista! ;)

What a stupid name... Vista! ha! XtuPid!

[40167]

My question is who though that would be a good name?!? But then who though Windows was a good idea? I guess XP doesn't mean anything either. But if this report is right, I'm really going to laugh at all my PC friends.

Don't think its a good name myself, but if I was one of your PC friends... I would promtly kick you in the balls, and then laugh while your rolling on the floor because I don't control what MS uses for their names; nor could I contol my forceful leg spasms.

[Patch^]

Hasta la vista, Windows!

Hahaha.

Anyway. Windows Vista? Crappy name for an OS I prefer Longhorn. At the moment I don't really see this being the name for it; Sounds too much like the credit card 'visa'.

[After G]

Wow, that's a pretty bad name.
The creativity level at MS hasn't improved much ...

I hope the OS has improved at least, even if not in name.
And no, eye-candy does not count as improvement.

[Applespider]

Vindows - vhat a vista time...

[munkle]

Vindows - vhat a vista time...

Hang your head in shame spidey! :p

[Sharewaredemon]

Vindows - vhat a vista time...


Excellent!

Well done, I knew I had to look at that closely to get it.

I also think I preferred Longhorn.

Vista just sounds dumb.

[Dagless]

windows XP was a pretty good name. Windows Experience... but i experienced windows and went to Mac.

as for Vista? that just sounds a little naff. infact im going to ask my windows buddies what they think of that name just to be sure we're not being biased ;) i can honestly imagine them loving it :rolleyes: or not.

[iGary]

Why not just cut to the chase and call it Windows Trash™?

[BornAgainMac]

Microsoft should just call it "Win". Pronounced ---> When

[MacDawg]

The Longhorn designation has been around soooooo long now, that they should have at least considered using it. Now folks will have to get used to the new name.

Regardless of what they call it... even if it was a cool name, it can't change the fact that it is likely to be bloated, full of security holes, and a poor imitation of OSX.

A rose by any other name... so to speak, only it is hardly a rose.

Woof, Woof – Dawg http://homepage.mac.com/k.j.vinson/pawprint.gif

[zelmo]

I can hear the pitch now:

"Go beyond the Windows and see the whole Vista of possibility spread out before you."

They should probably name it Screen instead. That speaks volumes about the security features we can expect to see exploited.

[iSaint]

I have a question: is 'Vista' or 'Longhorn' or whatever going to replace the name 'Windows'? Or will it be 'Windows Vista'?

[Applespider]

The Longhorn designation has been around soooooo long now, that they should have at least considered using it. Now folks will have to get used to the new name.

Though now they can say that Vista development only took 18 months to launch and ignore all the 'Longhorn' time... :rolleyes:

[grapes911]

Don't think its a good name myself, but if I was one of your PC friends... I would promtly kick you in the balls, and then laugh while your rolling on the floor because I don't control what MS uses for their names; nor could I contol my forceful leg spasms.Excellent post. :p


I don't mind this name at all. What's so bad about it. Windows Vista. I'd call it something different, but it's not terrible. There could be worse names.

[monkeydo_jb]

I bet it will run great on IBM's NetVistas!

Sadly, it's official (http://news.com.com/Longhorns+new+name+Windows+Vista/2100-1016_3-5799734.html?tag=nefd.top).

[mrzeve]

Parrrrrrtyyyyyyyyyy

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/8930473261536804.JPG?0.6800717559185823

[monkeydo_jb]

I guess XP doesn't mean anything either.

It is short for Windows eXPerience

[g4cubed]

It bet it will run great on IBM's NetVistas!

Sadly, it's official (http://news.com.com/Longhorns+new+name+Windows+Vista/2100-1016_3-5799734.html?tag=nefd.top).
Sadly ?????? Who really cares. :rolleyes:

[monkeydo_jb]

Sadly ?????? Who really cares. :rolleyes:

My mom.

No, but seriously, I do.

Next year (or the year after), I'll have to put up with 500+ users whining about 'needing'
Windows Vista. I guess any name would be annoying, but something like Windows 2007
would be better.


How is it pronounced? Veesta? Or Vihsta?

[g4cubed]

My mom.

No, but seriously, I do.

Next year (or the year after), I'll have to put up with 500+ users whining about 'needing'
Windows Vista. I guess any name would be annoying, but something like Windows 2007
would be better.


How is it pronounced? Veesta? Or Vihsta?

500+. Damn I feel sorry for you now. Well maybe it won't make it's debut till 2008.

[nagromme]

Ha! Somebody beat me to the photo :D

A whole new name and a new world of senseless puns! Almost as much fun as new product Tuesday :D

And they're announcing the new name over a year early, so any hype it generates will die back long before any part of Longhorn sees the light! Weird timing. (I bet they wish they'd picked a better codename so they could stick with it longer and unveil the real name closer to the intended "big splash.")

I think it's a decent name though, with a conceptual connection to the word "window" etc.

[Lacero]

They've officially announced development of Vista today.

[dsharits]

Sadly ?????? Who really cares. :rolleyes:
All of those PC junkies will care when they're running Vista and we're running Leopard. Which one sounds cooler? :cool:

And we all know that, in the end, Vista will turn out to be just another buggy version of Windows, "built on the strength and stability of XP", but it will still have the same security holes, virus problems, instability and the like. Bill Gates will look like a complete fool (wait, he already does) when his promise of "no more spyware" turns out to be another Micro-lie just for some temporary confidence in Microsoft. There won't be more security, and Vista will only be a bigger disappointment that XP.

Bring on the switchers!

[Sharewaredemon]

Not sure if anyone noticed the ads on this page but I found this one interesting. There is no mention of Apple in the article, but we see the Tiger "X"

[mac-er]

Their slogan is "Bringing clarity to your world."

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx

[qzak]

All of those PC junkies will care when they're running Vista and we're running Leopard. Which one sounds cooler? :cool:


actually i think Vista sounds cooler. i dont mind the name. i liked the name Longhorn, but there is no way they'd keep that, its a code name. I'm not really a big fan of the whole cat naming scheme Apple seems to love.

I'll be downloading the beta and running on my windows desktop whenever it comes out, but i've been using my powerbook as my main computer since i got it in like april.

[Chundles]

That sounds dumb.

Hope Microsoft don't keep this whole "fancy words for view" names for the OS, we could see a whole bunch of dodgy names:

2008 - Windows Landscape

2010 - Windows Prospect

2012 - Windows Spectacle

It's odd to think that the next Windows OS won't appear until at least 2008, probably later, in the meantime we get Leopard and possibly Ocelot (don't know, just reckon it sounds cool). Vista will probably be somewhere between Panther and Tiger, maybe closer to Tiger, Leopard will blow it away and Ocelot will tear it to shreds. I hope 10.5 is going to be a really massive release, Tiger is good and all but it's not quite as immense as the jump from 10.2 to 10.3 was.

On a side note, there was a post back here about a guy who had been away for 2 years and had missed the whole "Panther" thing and was just off to upgrade to Tiger, imagine the change going from 10.2 straight to 10.4 after so long with Jaguar....That'd be cool.

[michaelrjohnson]

Vista.

I suppose it's no more unrelated than cat names... but it just seems "extra" cheesy. Oh well... It's not like they're going to change it. And considering the length of their product cycle, we're likely to be exposed to Vista for at least 5-7 years.

[Flying Llama]

So we can look at it but not eXPerience it? :p

Slashdot :o :

Oh and Microsoft will now be suing the following cities for copyright infringement:

Vista, CA
Vista, MO
Vista, FL
Vista, IA
Vista, MN
Vista, MT
Vista, NM
Vista, NV
Vista, NY

Asta la vista baby!

Hmm...

1) Longhorn has been changed to Vista.

2) Vista means 'view'.

3) It's still a long way off - and it was called Longhorn, so we wouldn't be out of line calling it 'Long View'.

4) 'Long View' is a song by the band Green Day.

5) Green Day released an album called 'Dookie'.

6) Dookie is a slang term for feces (i.e. crap).

llama :D

[Thomas Veil]

Vista? I'm...underwhelmed.

And when it crashes on you, will it say "Hasta la Vista"?

[kgarner]

This post here (http://whatdoiknow.org/archives/002331.shtml) makes a pretty good case for why they chose the name. I still don't like it much though.

[Toeknee]

No matter what its called its still going to suck, be buggy, and piss people off.

[AliensAreFuzzy]

So we can look at it but not eXPerience it? :p

Oh and Microsoft will now be suing the following cities for copyright infringement:

Vista, CA
Vista, MO
Vista, FL
Vista, IA
Vista, MN
Vista, MT
Vista, NM
Vista, NV
Vista, NY

Asta la vista baby!

Hmm...

1) Longhorn has been changed to Vista.

2) Vista means 'view'.

3) It's still a long way off - and it was called Longhorn, so we wouldn't be out of line calling it 'Long View'.

4) 'Long View' is a song by the band Green Day.

5) Green Day released an album called 'Dookie'.

6) Dookie is a slang term for feces (i.e. crap).

llama :D
Wow, you must be really good at playing games like "6 degrees to Kevin Bacon".

[crazzyeddie]

Vista:

1. An unincorporated community of southern California north of San Diego. It is a resort and agricultural area. Population: 71,872.
(interesting)

2. An awareness of a range of time, events, or subjects; a broad mental view

Yeah that sounds like M$... broad mental view of closed, proprietary systems.

[bb_mac]

I couldn't link through to the official Vista website, so I've prepared this screenshot for those unfortunate souls, like me, who are missing out on this momentous event :-

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/37/bbwindowsvista1mq.jpg

I urge you to have a look - it's fantastic !

[Tahko]

hih, some quotes from teh nyys:

"The software giant spent roughly eight months researching potential names for the upcoming version of Windows."
I mean... LOL!

"Among the key features of Vista are a new searching mechanism, lots of new laptop features, parental controls and better home networking. There will also be visual changes, thanks to Avalon, ranging from shiny translucent windows to icons that are tiny representations of a document itself."
Sounds quite familiar. But could icon-sized 5 meg Word document threaten Apples position?!

cnet informed that it will also have things called "virtual folders". Spotlight smart-folders, I assume.

[GimmeSlack12]

Vista.... that is a really awful name.. Longhorn is much better IMO

I agree with that. I liked Longhorn better, Vista sounds like a Sunday afternoon community TV show. Lame.

So whats going to be so great about this OS? Are they finally going to get rid of the Start Menu? I really think that thing is dumb.

[FoxyKaye]

No, no, I get it:

Windows XP = Windows XPerience: Experience the instability and security flaws.

Windows Vista: Vista to hell.

It all makes sense to me...

OK, and that photo someone posted above of Bill dancing: Ew!

[Les Kern]

I KNEW that name rung a bell... being as old as I am.
There already WAS a Vista, by Oldsmobile.
It was somewhat a failure as car models go (total sales, etc.)... and history DOES repeat itself.
Can I interest you in a cherry '72 Olds Vista?
My take: We will see install boxes of MS Vista in garage sales before the end of this decade.

[broken_keyboard]

I think it's quite a nice name as far as names go, but it would be just as successful if they called it Windows 6.0

[BGil]

cnet informed that it will also have things called "virtual folders". Spotlight smart-folders, I assume.

No, Spotlight's smart folders are just saved searches-- Windows 2000, XP, and Windows Desktop Search already have that. Virtual Folders in Longhorn are self-populating views that behave like real folders (you can drag things into them and they exist in a heirarchy) and they have RSS feeds so you can track when new files (or items) are added, removed, or changed.

It's far beyond Apple's Smart folder concept (which also appeared in Longhorn Alpha circa 2003).

"Among the key features of Vista are a new searching mechanism

Microsoft claims Apple stole the concept of Desktop Search (emails, contacts, extensible formats etc.) from their Longhorn and Office demos in 2003.
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/4015_175.png
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh4029-08.jpg

Next time you use a PC with Office 2003, XP, or 2000 on it try going to File-> File Search. It gives you a desktop search task pane that searches all your emails, contacts, networked folders, etc. It ties into the native indexing service in Windows 2000 and XP. It fully supports new file types and metadata via ifilters too. The normal XP search will also pick up those emails, contacts, and appointments once Office is installed (office has the ifilters within it). It has live queries (results that update while the search is open), saved searches, and many other features. The only major thing it doesn't have that Spotlight has is search-as-you-type.

[lord_flash]

http://photos21.flickr.com/27798255_e7cd438278.jpg?v=0

Vista (n). A view into the distance, if I'm not mistaken...

[lord_flash]

actually i think Vista sounds cooler. i dont mind the name. i liked the name Longhorn, but there is no way they'd keep that, its a code name. I'm not really a big fan of the whole cat naming scheme Apple seems to love.

Leapord does sound a bit poo, doesn't it? Tiger is quite a cool cat, as it goes, but leapord? I associate it with really tasteless clothing and rugs? Also we've gotta be running ut of cats soon?

OS X 10.7 - Tabby
OS X 10.8 - That one from the neighbours that had its ear bitten off in a fight
etc.
OS X 10.9 - Kitten

Since the time between an OS X update is so short, and the comparitive changes are so few (If you go with each upgrade cycle, Windows is much cheaper), then Small cat names might be more appropriate?

(dons flame-retardant jacket - I still prefer my Mac, I just know when people are making money from me)

[Dave00]

I'm surprised they chose the name Vista - especially since that's already the name of the computer system at the VA medical centers (at least, that's the framework the medical information system runs on). Seems like a copyright infringement to me...

Dave

[qzak]

"The software giant spent roughly eight months researching potential names for the upcoming version of Windows."
I mean... LOL!


If your product was going to be the most used of it's kind in the world, wouldn't you spend the time making sure the name of the thing is professional, yet easy on the non-professional's ears, have a good positive meaning, etc etc.

[DavidLeblond]

If your product was going to be the most used of it's kind in the world, wouldn't you spend the time making sure the name of the thing is professional, yet easy on the non-professional's ears, have a good positive meaning, etc etc.

Yeah, but if you debated for 8 months would you pick something like Vista? I wonder what the ideas that DIDN'T make it sounded like. "Windows Spagetti! The future of DLL hell is here TODAY (or in 2006 or 2007 or whenever)"

[DavidLeblond]

Leapord does sound a bit poo, doesn't it? Tiger is quite a cool cat, as it goes, but leapord? I associate it with really tasteless clothing and rugs? Also we've gotta be running ut of cats soon?

OS X 10.7 - Tabby
OS X 10.8 - That one from the neighbours that had its ear bitten off in a fight
etc.
OS X 10.9 - Kitten

Since the time between an OS X update is so short, and the comparitive changes are so few (If you go with each upgrade cycle, Windows is much cheaper), then Small cat names might be more appropriate?

(dons flame-retardant jacket - I still prefer my Mac, I just know when people are making money from me)

Technically the cat names are the code names of the OSes, much like Longhorn was Windows Vista's code name. Apple just doesn't bother giving them a new name and it sticks. They use it in marketing because its a lot easier than marketing OS X 10.4!

[munkle]

http://photos21.flickr.com/27798255_e7cd438278.jpg?v=0

Vista (n). A view into the distance, if I'm not mistaken...

:p :p That's great.

Wow these mockups do come out fast!

[Applespider]

Next time you use a PC with Office 2003, XP, or 2000 on it try going to File-> File Search. It gives you a desktop search task pane that searches all your emails, contacts, networked folders, etc. The only major thing it doesn't have that Spotlight has is search-as-you-type.

And the ability to actually find what you are looking for within a reasonable time frame (inside 30 seconds say). I use XP every day at work and I can count the times that it's found what I'm looking for on the fingers of one hand. It's quicker to go to the 5 folders that what you want might be in and open up each document.

The RSS-like feeds to tell you when a 'Smart Folder'/Virtual Folder has changed do sound interesting though. I'm not sure I understand why you might want drag other things into it though or is not really virtual like that? Isn't that just like creating an alias or shortcut currently?

[jayscheuerle]

So we can look at it but not eXPerience it? :p

Oh and Microsoft will now be suing the following cities for copyright infringement:

Vista, CA
Vista, MO
Vista, FL
Vista, IA
Vista, MN
Vista, MT
Vista, NM
Vista, NV
Vista, NY

Asta la vista baby!

Hmm...

1) Longhorn has been changed to Vista.

2) Vista means 'view'.

3) It's still a long way off - and it was called Longhorn, so we wouldn't be out of line calling it 'Long View'.

4) 'Long View' is a song by the band Green Day.

5) Green Day released an album called 'Dookie'.

6) Dookie is a slang term for feces (i.e. crap).

llama :D

Shouldn't you footnote those Slashdot lifts?

[jayscheuerle]

Microsoft needs to dump the Windows moniker. It has too much negative baggage. If they actually made substantial changes to the OS, like Apple did from 9 to X, then they could just call it Microsoft Vista OS..

[qzak]

Microsoft needs to dump the Windows moniker. It has too much negative baggage. If they actually made substantial changes to the OS, like Apple did from 9 to X, then they could just call it Microsoft Vista OS..

again, with such a huge market, all the non-computer literate people out there would be in the stores going "wait, i want Windows, what happened to Windows". imagine all the people at best buy, compusa, etc saying that. it would be annoying as hell to try and explain to a huge number of people out there who associate "Windows" with being the pc.

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

again, with such a huge market, all the non-computer literate people out there would be in the stores going "wait, i want Windows, what happened to Windows". imagine all the people at best buy, compusa, etc saying that. it would be annoying as hell to try and explain to a huge number of people out there who associate "Windows" with being the pc.

There in is why Windows/Microsoft will neer be able to be inovative. They cant afford to make massive overhals. Heck, when they dropped DOS I thought there would be a riot. Even with DOS dropped, the OS still sucked.

[jayscheuerle]

again, with such a huge market, all the non-computer literate people out there would be in the stores going "wait, i want Windows, what happened to Windows". imagine all the people at best buy, compusa, etc saying that. it would be annoying as hell to try and explain to a huge number of people out there who associate "Windows" with being the pc.

I'd say a large part of the market doesn't even realize they're running Windows. It just came with their computer. I'd guess that 95% of Windows users never upgrade their OS. They just buy new computers and run whatever OS comes on it, assuming that their software will work with it.

[SeaFox]

They've officially announced development of Vista today.

Oh, is THAT their angle, eh?

What? Overdue? How can you say the next release of Windows has been delayed? We've only been working on Windows Vista for one day now!

[pupil of life]

Win VS doesnt sound too bad...

[blodwyn]

Check out the new Vista features (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5672671.html) - remind you of anything you might already be using?

[blodwyn]

How about Vastly Inferior Software To Apple's

[tech4all]

Longhorn--now Windows Vista--may be arriving more slowly than expected

Who says a delay wasn't expected :rolleyes: ;)

[dotdotdot]

XP is easier than "Vista"

But Vista sounds like it will be cool for like, 10 minutes after install.

[Makosuke]

I KNEW that name rung a bell... being as old as I am.
There already WAS a Vista, by Oldsmobile.
It was somewhat a failure as car models go (total sales, etc.)... and history DOES repeat itself.
Can I interest you in a cherry '72 Olds Vista?
Hah! When I mentioned the new name to my wife, her first comment was "Wasn't there a car named that?" Sounded vaguely familiar to me, too, but a quick Google search didn't turn one up... because it was too obscure, apparently.

My first reaction was WindowsVista... AltaVista? As if the old search engine has come back to haunt Windows. Perhaps some sort of subtle Microsoft in-joke about its new search features. (AltaVista still provides a pretty good media search, actually.)

[Stike]

...and still, it will include those silly "microsoftish" chimes you hear everytime when you do anything. I hope Apple isnt going down that road, I hate that "copy" sound in Tiger, and God bless Tinkertool for turning those GUI sounds off.

[Savage Henry]

Check out the new Vista features (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5672671.html) - remind you of anything you might already be using?What niggles me is that they have made 15 times more bottom-line buck than Apple for peddling out ideas from yesterday. I wouldn't mind if they were the ones innovating and driving the tech world forward ... but they are just merchants of nostalgia.

Vista ... w t freak is that?? Where is it going?? What is the long term commercially distinctive merit from such a horse-ass of a name ??? :mad:

Like His Lord Barracus, I pity da fool who gets drawn into it.

[beg_ne]

From some clever guy on Ars:

Vista stands for:

Viruses,
Infections,
Spyware,
Trojans,
Adware.

:D

[yg17]

Their slogan is "Bringing clarity to your world."

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx


Makes sense. After using Vista, you'll clearly want to switch to OSX.

[nagromme]

there was a post back here about a guy who had been away for 2 years and had missed the whole "Panther" thing and was just off to upgrade to Tiger, imagine the change going from 10.2 straight to 10.4 after so long with Jaguar....That'd be cool.

I know someone who went from 10.1 to 10.4. After being happy with 10.1 for a LONG time! Wow. Then again, I went from 9 to 10.2...


From some clever guy on Ars:
...
Viruses,
Infections,
Spyware,
Trojans,
Adware

Perfect list! But Infection is a little redundant. Maybe Instability?

[dhan]

As an avid Mac user, all I can say is that this thread oozes with Mac-arrogance. Hahaha. Testosterone for your average Mac geek. Plus, nice to see that we have plenty of "hatorade" running through our blood.

But honestly, I hate Windows too. I was just talking with a classmate of mine, who was complaining that her XP was crashing with the BSOD everytime she turns it on - what a pain in the arse. I told her to swtich to a Mac and I made a fresh convert today...SCORE!

Mac users are pretty cultish...wouldn't be surprised if Jobs turns around one day and reveals himself as the mastermind to our dooooom.

ps. Snow leopards are really cool - a leopard will own a vista anyday.

[nagromme]

Hate is one way to deal with being a looked-down-on minority among computer users.

But humor is what I'm seeing here :)

Arrogance would be posting the same to a forum of people who love Windows. (Can't think of any examples at the moment.)

[dotdotdot]

Now that its sunk in, I must say:

I hate the name.

Imagine how ANNOYING will it be to hear "Compatible with Windows 98 SE, ME, 2000, XP, Vista" - one doesn't fit!

And everything will say "VISTA."

[ReanimationLP]

LMFAO.

Yes, I'd like one copy of Windows Vista.

Vista - Looking into a far distance. Hmm, I see why they named it that now! :D

[dhan]

Hate is one way to deal with being a looked-down-on minority among computer users.

But humor is what I'm seeing here :)

Arrogance would be posting the same to a forum of people who love Windows. (Can't think of any examples at the moment.)

Maybe "great pride" would be a better word choice...

I can't imagine a forum dedicated to people who LOVE Windows - that's just redonculous. (I made that word up, don't flame me)

[Applespider]

Arrogance would be posting the same to a forum of people who love Windows. (Can't think of any examples at the moment.)

I'm not sure there would be a vastly different response. I read a page on a PC magazine forum yesterday where all their commentators were calling it Windoesn't, Windoze (for not having anything new left in it) et al

[angelneo]

No, Spotlight's smart folders are just saved searches-- Windows 2000, XP, and Windows Desktop Search already have that. Virtual Folders in Longhorn are self-populating views that behave like real folders (you can drag things into them and they exist in a heirarchy) and they have RSS feeds so you can track when new files (or items) are added, removed, or changed.

Actually, what's the RSS feeds for? It's just another XML document on the web to allow portability, what's the point of using it in a desktop environment unless you want to track it through the internet. I don't get why so many people like using the word "RSS", it is just another XML document.... , maybe its an electronic equivalent of stuffing a sock in your pants.

BTW, I do like the other suggestions of Windows VS or Windows Vista OS, rather than Windows Vista, sounds like it is inheriting from Windows XP....

[tech4all]

I was just reading on another forum and someone connected Vista with Visa - as in the way they're spelled.

[thequicksilver]

I might just be the only one who thinks this, and I risk being flamed by saying this, but here we go:

Vista is quite a good name. It is also a significantly better name for an OS than Tiger and Leopard, but is a weaker one than Panther, which was a good name.

I quite liked some of the obscure names Microsoft used for their OSs - Windows 95 was codenamed Chicago (which sounds quite glamorous if you're English) and XP was codenamed Whistler, which I thought was a frankly cool name for no reason whatsoever.

It doesn't disguise the fact that I won't want to use Vista much, but as a name goes, it sounds pretty good.

[solvs]

Vista is quite a good name. It is also a significantly better name for an OS than Tiger and Leopard, but is a weaker one than Panther, which was a good name.
Well, you are free to your opinion. But personally I think it's a dumb name. I thought Longhorn was bad, but this is even worse. Say it out loud and think about it for a minute. Windows Vista. Windows View (or Chicken in some languages). It took them 8 months to decide on that. I do think Tiger is a good name, though I agree it's not as good as Panther. So far I'm ambivalent about Leopard. Doesn't matter what they call it though, as long as it doesn't suck. As a guy who has to fix Windows all day, I'm hoping Vista isn't nearly as bad as the previous versions.

New features are great, but fix the bugs Microsoft.

XP was codenamed Whistler
That name I actually like as a codename. Maybe not as a real name, but it's better than Vista. I still can't get used to that. :shudder:

[tech4all]

I might just be the only one who thinks this, and I risk being flamed by saying this, but here we go:

Vista is quite a good name. It is also a significantly better name for an OS than Tiger and Leopard, but is a weaker one than Panther, which was a good name.

I quite liked some of the obscure names Microsoft used for their OSs - Windows 95 was codenamed Chicago (which sounds quite glamorous if you're English) and XP was codenamed Whistler, which I thought was a frankly cool name for no reason whatsoever.

It doesn't disguise the fact that I won't want to use Vista much, but as a name goes, it sounds pretty good.

I'm curious as to why you think this. Why Tiger and Leopard and not Panther? Is it just a personal preference?



And I'm little confused here about these code names. If Vista is a code name, then what is the official name of this new Windows OS? Like Windows XP is to Whistler (never knew that till now), as Windows ?? is to Vista. Will it be called Windows Vista? Or just Vista? Then how to the real names and code names differ? Ahhh, this is confusing :o :(


It seems as though people use Apple's code names to ID a OS, we usually say Tiger instead of OS X 10.4. While with Microsoft we say Windows XP instead of Whistler.

[solvs]

Like Windows XP is to Whistler (never knew that till now), as Windows ?? is to Vista.
Vista is to XP as Longhorn is to Whistler. Longhorn was just the codename. Vista is what it's actually going to be called. For now. So far, even in the Windows community, most of what I've seen, people don't like it.

The name I mean, not the OS. Though a lot of people have reservations of that too.

[tech4all]

Vista is to XP as Longhorn is to Whistler. Longhorn was just the codename. Vista is what it's actually going to be called. For now. So far, even in the Windows community, most of what I've seen, people don't like it.

The name I mean, not the OS. Though a lot of people have reservations of that too.

Oh ok, that clears that up. It's just odd I guess on why Longhorn would be the code name for Vista. I just don't see how all this naming relates. With Apple the actual OS names are 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4 - they go up numerically, makes sense. The the code names Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, and Tiger all relate to eachother as big cats. 10.4 might not directly relate to "Tiger", but the actual names (10.3, 10.4, etc) relate to eachother and the big cat names relate as well.

Oh well, it may not make sense, but it is what it is :) I'm probably just being to critical.

[solvs]

With Apple the actual OS names are 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4 - they go up numerically, makes sense.
This would be Windows 6.0. 2000, XP, and 2003 were all 5.x. Unless this is still 5.x. Which would be kinda funny since a lot of Windows users make fun of people paying for .x upgrades when so do they.

[rt_brained]

Looking up "Vista" on my Dictionary Widget, I also get the following definition:

"A mental view of a succession of remembered or anticipated events."

Windows users have a pretty good mental view of the long succession of anticipated features and release dates for Longhorn that have come and gone. I'd say "Vista" is a completely appropriate name.

[thequicksilver]

I'm curious as to why you think this. Why Tiger and Leopard and not Panther? Is it just a personal preference?

Entirely. This is a messageboard - what else was it going to be? :)

[tech4all]

Entirely. This is a messageboard - what else was it going to be? :)

Trolling?

Naw just kidding. It's cool ;)

[Jaffa Cake]

I've just been reading the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4708177.stm) report on Vista, which states...

...to meet the autumn 2006 deadline, Vista will be launched with some key components missing.

So despite all the development time that's gone in there already, Microsoft are apparently quite open about the fact that they're going to be shipping a product that isn't the finished article. I honestly can't think of another industry or business that could get away with that to the degree that Microsoft does.

[dsharits]

Three cheers for Microsoft!!!

HIP HIP!!


<crickets>



:rolleyes:

[BGil]

Actually, what's the RSS feeds for? It's just another XML document on the web to allow portability, what's the point of using it in a desktop environment unless you want to track it through the internet. I don't get why so many people like using the word "RSS", it is just another XML document.... , maybe its an electronic equivalent of stuffing a sock in your pants.

BTW, I do like the other suggestions of Windows VS or Windows Vista OS, rather than Windows Vista, sounds like it is inheriting from Windows XP....

You can subscribe to saved searches and virtual folders. IIRC a saved search can not only encompass files and folders but internet information too. So you could have a virtual folder containing all my documents on Longhorn and any MSDN blog posts on the same topic. Or you can have a virtual folder that exists on a network (like a sharepoint, networked computer, or website) and be updated anytime the contents change. Not only can you be updated when the contents change but the proper apps can be updated as well. So your iPhoto library could update if someone adds a picture to the folder, for example.

But RSS is good for local subscriptions too. Applications can subscribe to each other or you can subscribe to your log files so you know if someone has tried to log on to your computer or not.

There are lost of things you can do with RSS and subscriptions.

"So despite all the development time that's gone in there already, Microsoft are apparently quite open about the fact that they're going to be shipping a product that isn't the finished article. I honestly can't think of another industry or business that could get away with that to the degree that Microsoft does."

They always ship features after the release of the main OS. Media Center and Tablet didn't show up until 2002 while XP was shipped in 2001. DX9 and Windows Media 9 showed up in 2002 also. The XP wave actually started with Office XP which shipped months before XP did IIRC. The Longhorn wave is similar. Exchange 12, Visual Studio 2005, and SQL Server 2005 are part of the "Longhorn Wave" but they'll ship before Longhorn does. WinFS will ship the year after as will Longhorn Server.
It's how they've always done things.

Apple does something similar but they just don't acknowledge that the product is incomplete. Every OS X releasae I can remember has a number of issues, that Apple knew about at launch, that they said they weren't going to fix until a certian time. 10.0 and 10.1 were essiential betas. 10.2 didn't get certian features like journaling until after the launch. Many problems in Panther weren't fixed until 10.3.3. Tiger had a number of known issues and QE2D still doesn't work correctly.

[xli_ne]

Got to love the new logo...


so original

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/gallery/logos/web/WinVista_v_Web.jpg

[Lertie32]

Ahahahaaaa!!!

What. a. stupid. name.

That's the simple (and censored) summary of my thoughts on the new name.


Hey, Steve! Here's a TV ad idea for you - :D

Video of people with ibooks, powerbooks, ipods, etc. laughing, frolicking, and partying in a beautiful meadow. Pan over to also show part of a small house made almost entirely of windows and see the miserable people trapped inside, packed in like sardines, shrieking in agony, wearing all black, etc. Announcer - "Why be trapped in Windoze HELL when you can actually enjoy the Vista?"

Something like that anyways... it's cooler and funny as hell when I picture it in my head. :cool:

Either that or something similar with Apple users relaxing in the beautiful meadow vista and off on the side - a never-ending stream of miserable masses (like zombie lemmings) in black chained together and being forced to run off the edge of a cliff by an evil laughing Bill Gates chasing them with a whip, chainsaw (or other weapons).

Needless to say, I will watch with great amusement at how the computer industry deals with this new product marketing.

:D

[Savage Henry]

Needless to say, I will watch with great amusement at how the computer industry deals with this new product marketing.IT marketing has rarely been worth the few seconds it takes to watch it ... but thanks for you rather convoluted efforts.

[angelneo]

You can subscribe to saved searches and virtual folders. IIRC a saved search can not only encompass files and folders but internet information too. So you could have a virtual folder containing all my documents on Longhorn and any MSDN blog posts on the same topic. Or you can have a virtual folder that exists on a network (like a sharepoint, networked computer, or website) and be updated anytime the contents change. Not only can you be updated when the contents change but the proper apps can be updated as well. So your iPhoto library could update if someone adds a picture to the folder, for example.

But RSS is good for local subscriptions too. Applications can subscribe to each other or you can subscribe to your log files so you know if someone has tried to log on to your computer or not.

There are lost of things you can do with RSS and subscriptions.

What you are describing is only a form of data manipulation which can be implemented without RSS. As with the link here (http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/12/18/dive-into-xml.html), RSS is just a XML standard adopted to allow easy portability of information so that different agents would use the same standard to read in/disseminate information. The standard is meaningless if you are using the OS environment and hence, the information is only used in the same environment which the creator is in total control. Using RSS here is just a fancy name.

It is different with a web browser supporting RSS or HTML 4.0 so on as web browser needs to interact with external information out of it's control. If you are creating saved searches or virtual folders within the OS environment, why do you need to use RSS when the only api that accesses those information are contained in the OS