New Safari 2.0 and 1.3 Seeds

[MacRumors]

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ThinkSecret reports that (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0507safari.html) Apple has seeded new versions of Safari 2.0 and Safari 1.3 to developers.

The new versions appear simply to provide a number of small bug-fixes improving the stability of the application.

[GroundLoop]

Hopefully Safari becomes usable with these new updates. There are quite a few sites that I just can't view. Surprisingly, I use Netscape for most of my web browsing needs.

Hickman

[Stella]

Wish they'd add some new features to Safari - like some of the stuff Firefox has, for example per site pop up blocking and cookies.

[jesuscandle]

Hopefully Safari becomes usable with these new updates. There are quite a few sites that I just can't view. Surprisingly, I use Netscape for most of my web browsing needs.

Hickman

Name them. I've never seen a single site that I "just can't view." That's poppycock.

[DPazdanISU]

That's poppycock.

Ha! I agree. Good choice of words :D
Safari is awsome, way better than any of the numerous other browsers I have tried.

[bodeh6]

When I use Safari 1.2.3 at school, I can view every page that I try to access. Safari 2.0 Update 1 will be even better when I get my Powerbook. I like Safari a lot. My current favorite browser.

[GroundLoop]

Name them. I've never seen a single site that I "just can't view." That's poppycock.

Try http://www.edmunds.com

The page will come up fine initially. Now, select the "New Cars" tab (or any other tab for that matter) and you will get the top portion of the page, but nothing eles. You are forced to reload the page manually everytime you navigate to a new page. Very annoying.

Hickman

[abrooks]

Try http://www.edmunds.com

The page will come up fine initially. Now, select the "New Cars" tab (or any other tab for that matter) and you will get the top portion of the page, but nothing eles. You are forced to reload the page manually everytime you navigate to a new page. Very annoying.

Hickman

Every page loads absolutely fine for me, find another site :rolleyes:

[GroundLoop]

Every page loads absolutely fine for me, find another site :rolleyes:

Well, all three of the Macs in my house and all of the ones at work have the same issue that I have. There is at least one other person on this forum that has the issue as well.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1589471#post1589471

You might be the only one that doesn't. What version of Safari are you running?

Hickman

[Eldentistfuturo]

He is right, mine didnt work.

[hob]

I've noticed Safari crashes out randomly now and then, hopefully this will improve stability.

[Lucky736]

edmunds, comerica web banking and quite afew others.

[asif786]

I've noticed Safari crashes out randomly now and then, hopefully this will improve stability.

yeah..sometimes i'll just make a new tab and then bam!! the beachball..

one thing that REALLY annoys me about safari is it's inability to force-refresh. sometimes i visit a page which I KNOW has changed (normally because i've just changed it myself..) and safari will load the same thing. Apple + refresh..nothing..empty cache..nothing..

is it really that hard to do? works fine in firefox..

[wdlove]

I use Safari exclusively. Do have some sites where it won't work, so I just just don't visit. I do hope that they fix stability issues. It's frustrating when Safari just up and quits.

[OnaMacSince1989]

Try http://www.edmunds.com

The page will come up fine initially. Now, select the "New Cars" tab (or any other tab for that matter) and you will get the top portion of the page, but nothing eles. You are forced to reload the page manually everytime you navigate to a new page. Very annoying.

Hickman


This sort of problem with sites like Edmunds is usually associated with the pop-up blocker since the pages use popups to navigate. Try turning off the blocker when you visit Edmunds or when you experience this problem.

I've been using Safari for 3 years now and love it. Haven't had any major problems. 2.0 is a great improvement on an awesome product. It sucks sitting here at work using MSIE on a PC and getting bombarded with pop ups & pop unders, and run time errors, and little red x's instead of pics, etc, etc...

[SFVCyclone]

Doesn't work for me either, also another site that doesn't work is my schools registration site, it is secured and only accesible through explorer, have not tried firefox, but when tried with safari, multiple times it tells me i the password is bad but with explorer it works on the first time. :(

[Dagless]

nay a single problem. i use the internet quite a lot, specially when i should be working :D everything 100%. only problems related is that Airport frequently loses signal and doesnt like reconnecting to the router. but its hardly a Safari prob

[GroundLoop]

This sort of problem with sites like Edmunds is usually associated with the pop-up blocker since the pages use popups to navigate. Try turning off the blocker when you visit Edmunds or when you experience this problem.

I've been using Safari for 3 years now and love it. Haven't had any major problems. 2.0 is a great improvement on an awesome product. It sucks sitting here at work using MSIE on a PC and getting bombarded with pop ups & pop unders, and run time errors, and little red x's instead of pics, etc, etc...


Edmunds still works the way I described earlier with the pop-up blocker on or off. That was one of the first things that I tried when I ran into this problem.

I just hope that the next revision clears up the issues that I have. Until then, I will stick with Netscape.

Hickman

[w_parietti22]

Try http://www.edmunds.com

The page will come up fine initially. Now, select the "New Cars" tab (or any other tab for that matter) and you will get the top portion of the page, but nothing eles. You are forced to reload the page manually everytime you navigate to a new page. Very annoying.

Hickman


Take a Look at this! Im running Safari 1.3.

<edit> Sorry Didnt read the entire post.

[GroundLoop]

Take a Look at this! Im running Safari 1.3.

<edit> Sorry Didnt read the entire post.

That is what I figured. I am running Safari 2.0 (412.2).

Can you try clicking on one of the tabs and see if the page fully renders? I want to see if the incompatibility surfaces in the transition to Safari 2.0.

Thanks,
Hickman

[yojitani]

Since I installed Tiger (I got it early), I was using Safari exclusively until about 3 weeks ago. Frankly, it's too slow and some sites (I never made a note of them) don't display properly. It's Camino or Firefox for me...

[andiwm2003]

Try http://www.edmunds.com

The page will come up fine initially. Now, select the "New Cars" tab (or any other tab for that matter) and you will get the top portion of the page, but nothing eles. You are forced to reload the page manually everytime you navigate to a new page. Very annoying.

Hickman

works perfectly for me. takes 2 seconds to display each page. but they are perfect. safari 2.0 (412.2).

in general no problems with safari, no crashes, no page that i can't see yet.

andi

[martinlk]

they should implement find-as-you-type (or whatever it's called). Firefox has this and it rocks!

[bodeh6]

try this

Nermal
Does the site not work properly in Safari, or does it just pop
up with a message saying that you must use Windows? If it's
the latter, go to Terminal and type:

defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

then restart Safari. You will now have an additional menu
which you can use to pretend that you're running IE for
Windows, which will hopefully let you into the site

[Doctor Q]

Me want cookie manager! Me want cookie manager! OmniWeb has a great one, letting you accept cookies from a site for the duration of the session, which is perfect for using a site that depends on them without leaving their tracking information on your system. I'd love to see that in Safari.

http://www.gummylump.com/files/product/a_1380.gund-feed-me-cookie-monster-sesame-street.jpg

[AndrewMT]

Name them. I've never seen a single site that I "just can't view." That's poppycock.

I can't get the Windows Update site do display correctly. So there!

[EGT]

Me want cookie manager! Me want cookie manager! OmniWeb has a great one, letting you accept cookies from a site for the duration of the session, which is perfect for using a site that depends on them without leaving their tracking information on your system. I'd love to see that in Safari.

http://www.gummylump.com/files/product/a_1380.gund-feed-me-cookie-monster-sesame-street.jpg

That's a brilliant idea.

mmmmmmmm, cookies!!!!

[chrisleeroth]

Name them. I've never seen a single site that I "just can't view." That's poppycock.
http://www.pgawest.com/
you should see some links...

[Trowaman]

I can't get the Windows Update site do display correctly. So there!

You shouldn't be there anyway. Only great evil comes out of that abyss of a website. Be afraid for nothing good lives there.

[bbyrdhouse]

Every page loads absolutely fine for me, find another site :rolleyes:

Well, I just tried on my Powerbook running 2.0 and had the exact problem that was described. :rolleyes:

[bbyrdhouse]

I've noticed Safari crashes out randomly now and then, hopefully this will improve stability.
I have had this problem as well. Sometimes Safari works great for days and then sometimes it will just close itself 2 or 3 times in under an hour.

[Sped]

Has anyone had problems with server resets in Safari 2.0? Since upgrading to 2.0, usaa.com often resets the connection to the server. I never had a problem with any previous version of Safari. Other secure banking / financial sites work fine for me. Any thoughts?

[abrooks]

Well, all three of the Macs in my house and all of the ones at work have the same issue that I have. There is at least one other person on this forum that has the issue as well.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1589471#post1589471

You might be the only one that doesn't. What version of Safari are you running?

Hickman

Running Safari 2.0 (412.2), I will admit that some of the pages can be fussy, a simply refresh sorts them out, and I must say what do you expect from a page that fails to validate with 272 errors :eek:

[TrenchMouth]

does blogger.com function fully in safari 2.0? because i know it doesnt in 1.x and that is the reason i still have a copy of FireFox on my computer.

[briangrapes]

Sped, I had experienced all kinds of problems when viewing usaa.com before this latest update (including the server resets you mentioned), however all is fine now I can browse my account without any problems. Before I would have to open up Firefox just to check my account, but this latest version of Safari seems to be working great for me.

[cgratti]

Try http://www.edmunds.com

The page will come up fine initially. Now, select the "New Cars" tab (or any other tab for that matter) and you will get the top portion of the page, but nothing eles. You are forced to reload the page manually everytime you navigate to a new page. Very annoying.

Hickman

I have the same problem, i just deal with it. The link you provided wouldnt load for me the first time either, I had to reload.

[GroundLoop]

http://www.pgawest.com/
you should see some links...

To be fair, I can't get that site to work on any browser on my PowerBook (Safari, Firefox, and Netscape).

Hickman

[pubwvj]

Hopefully Safari becomes usable with these new updates. There are quite a few sites that I just can't view. Surprisingly, I use Netscape for most of my web browsing needs.

My sons have been using Safari under Tiger 10.4(.0) that came on their iMac G5 without any problem. It seems stable. What is making it unuseable for you?

[wrxguy]

my safari has worked perfect w/o any probs...

[Panoctopi]

Name them. I've never seen a single site that I "just can't view." That's poppycock.
the only one i've ever had a problem with is Groove Tickets (http://www.groovetickets.com) I'm not sure if this is because of safari or not but if someone can explain it to me...

[Panoctopi]

Try http://www.edmunds.com

The page will come up fine initially. Now, select the "New Cars" tab (or any other tab for that matter) and you will get the top portion of the page, but nothing eles. You are forced to reload the page manually everytime you navigate to a new page. Very annoying.

Hickman
hmm, it loaded fine...

[mowogg]

Here are some sites that work wonky with Safari (V2.0 412.2):

SCE.com (Southern California Edision) bill pay crashes Safari when the link is clicked

Ford Family Plan page <http://www.fordvehicles.com/?bannerid=FV80002> then click the Find your family plan price button. THe pull-down "Choose your vehicle" doesn't work in Safari, works in Firefox

Edmunds.com- Like most everyone else, it takes two tries to load a page

A few others I can't remember off hand. Checked these on multiple machines, all hand the same problems. Running 10.4.2 on all

Safari still loads fast and works with most sites. I've learned to keep Firefox handy for these sites and any others that are difficult.

[Doctor Q]

Here are some sites that work wonky with Safari (V2.0 412.2)...Also tvguide.com, which makes the first column too skinny so pictures and text overlay other text. They even redesigned their look and feel once without dealing with the site problems for Safari users. I complained a very long time ago, and they've never fixed it. Rather than switch browsers, I switched websites. Take heed, tvguide, my wallet and I still won't be seeing your website ads.

[rendezvouscp]

does blogger.com function fully in safari 2.0? because i know it doesnt in 1.x and that is the reason i still have a copy of FireFox on my computer.


What's wrong with Blogger in the latest released version of 1.3? I never have had problems with Blogger since I started using them in June of last year.
-Chase

[MrSugar]

My question is, when are we going to start blaming people who make poor sites, instead the way correct browsers interpret them. A lot of sites use bad proprietary code that doesn't work across all browsers, and isn't based or coded around the published standards. In most cases Firefox, Safari, etc. try to make as many sites show up correctly as they can, but realistically some sites are just created poorly.

If things are to change around we need to start emailing sites that don't work correctly in standards compliant browsers, and tell them that it's time to make sites that work for all users.

I don't think browsers should be blamed for sites not displaying correctly, especially a browser like safari which has amazing support for web standards.

However, I think that UI bugs, render bugs (such as the scrolling background bug), and crashing of course should be fixed, and I am glad to see that safari is continuously updated to work better for its users.

[Doctor Q]

My question is, when are we going to start blaming people who make poor sites, instead the way correct browsers interpret them.What's needed is for a well-known organization to publish the list of the biggest-name companies or organizations that have badly designed pages, to publicly shame them. Sort of like Blackwell's list of the worst-dressed celebrities. It would become a news story, e.g., "TVGuide.com joins CNET's List of Badly Designed Sites" and embarrass them into action.

[ScottB]

If theres anything that should be improved in Safari it's the css support, theres plenty of properties that arn't supported yet, I mean they were one of the first to add a text-shadow property (I think). Even if it does it amazingly already why not improve upon it?

Check this out: http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/safari_css.html

btw.. If a site dosn't render in a browser it's just as much the webmasters loss as the browsers & I would love safari to support aural css, to match the 'new' voiceover parts of os x.

[Catch]

He is right, mine didnt work.

Works on both my G5 and PowerMac...

C

[bernardb]

I use Safari for all of my internet needs except for online banking. Safari still is very quirky and unuseable with my banks. I use OmniWeb for all banking transactions.

There are also a few non-bank sites I cannot view properly with Safari....

[decksnap]

What's needed is for a well-known organization to publish the list of the biggest-name companies or organizations that have badly designed pages, to publicly shame them. Sort of like Blackwell's list of the worst-dressed celebrities. It would become a news story, e.g., "TVGuide.com joins CNET's List of Badly Designed Sites" and embarrass them into action.

Now that is a great idea. Although I could see forums on a site like that turning into a Mac vs. PC bitch-o-rama.

[wdlove]

What's needed is for a well-known organization to publish the list of the biggest-name companies or organizations that have badly designed pages, to publicly shame them. Sort of like Blackwell's list of the worst-dressed celebrities. It would become a news story, e.g., "TVGuide.com joins CNET's List of Badly Designed Sites" and embarrass them into action.

That's a good idea Doctor Q. Now we need someone to put this into action. It would need to be something very visible for it to cause any impact.
:cool:

[The Black Rock]

Will the ability to download things from activities come back? I have to use Firefox to take embedded media files off of pages.

[chrisleeroth]

To be fair, I can't get that site to work on any browser on my PowerBook (Safari, Firefox, and Netscape).

Hickman
It works on IE...

[Dokter_Mac]

Try http://www.edmunds.com

The page will come up fine initially. Now, select the "New Cars" tab (or any other tab for that matter) and you will get the top portion of the page, but nothing eles. You are forced to reload the page manually everytime you navigate to a new page. Very annoying.

Hickman
Hi ,
Have you ever tried Nightshift ? http://www.edmunds.com loads very well with no problems.You can find it here http://versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/27294 . If you run it , a program called "Webkit" with a gold Safari-icon :-) is placed in your Application-folder. It's an updated rendering-engine fore Safari (now opensource).There is almost every day a new version from Webkit , so run Nightshift regular. It's good for me between two Safari-updates from Apple and fixes alot of bugs.

[rendezvouscp]

What's needed is for a well-known organization to publish the list of the biggest-name companies or organizations that have badly designed pages, to publicly shame them. Sort of like Blackwell's list of the worst-dressed celebrities. It would become a news story, e.g., "TVGuide.com joins CNET's List of Badly Designed Sites" and embarrass them into action.

I'm all for it. My blog's not popular, so it wouldn't be a very good launching point, but let's start a running list and see if we can't get the members of the Brit Pack to support it. Actually, I'm going to start a new thread about it so this one doesn't go directly off topic.
-Chase

[apeiros]

Some of the sites here that don't work in safari (such as http://www.edmunds.com/) don't work because of crappy JavaScripts. For edmunds.com you're lucky since you can simply turn off JS and it will run. Other sites unfortunately are designed with nothing in the head of the designers since JS is obligatory. Sorry, but help those ignorant people and drop them a line about how to use JS (it's for *added* effects, not for *basic functionality*).
Some others simply are not valid, so actually it's not Safaris fault but the webdesigners. Anyway, it seems that Apple tries to imitate other browsers error-recovery for faulty HTML. So drop Apple a line about wrongly displayed pages. There is that nice little bug in the upper right corner. The more complaints the more probable it is to get fixed.

regards
apeiros

[ITASOR]

Edmunds still works the way I described earlier with the pop-up blocker on or off. That was one of the first things that I tried when I ran into this problem.

I just hope that the next revision clears up the issues that I have. Until then, I will stick with Netscape.

Hickman

After you click the tab, click refresh in safari and it loads up correctly.

[rendezvouscp]

As I just mentioned, I made this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1612197) for everyone's complaints about commercial websites.

I just now realized that a 1.3 is kind of unexpected, seeing that Apple dropped support for Jaguar upon Panther's release. Anyone have an idea if they're going to keep the Panther Safari up to date until the frameworks change in Leopard, or something like that?
-Chase

[briand05]

I haven't had many major issues with Safari, I've had 1 or 2 unexpected quits and a beachball here and there. Sometime the scroll bar get messed up and breaks up into parts, doesn't refresh right or something, not a major problem but it shouldn't do that, sometimes certain images don't load right and I need to refresh, I've had to do that with IE on windows at times as well. At times Safari will lag between pages, not extremely long but longer than usual. Overall I do like Safari a lot, the built in RSS works well and it blocks all the pop ups. Firefox is better in some ways though, it has a more customizable pop up blocker is 1 nice thing.

[kolvedic]

It seems that these problems are in fact associated with the way safari handles redirects and pages that have frames. On the server side, you can see when a page is loaded that safari does not even attempt to request the information for some frames on the page. One site that I use that has the problem, we have done numerous hours of testing and found this behaviour.

In most of these cases, if you continue to manually refresh it will eventually load the page, with all the frames populated, correctly.

How can it not be Safari's problem when it doesn't even request the frames?

As for the infamous 'cannot connect to server' or 'cannot open page' this issue seems to be associated with Safari closing the connection almost instantly after a request because the server didnt answer fast enough.

I have been tracking this problem for a while, since it started effecting me after one of the Safari upgrades. I love safari but sometimes it just irritates me that they dont seem to be acknowledging that they have this problem or that there is still no fix for it beyond, 'use another browser on this site.' That is ridiculous.

l8r,
Kolvedic

powerbox g4 12"

[seashellz]

confirmed-the carsite will not work for me, either, popup killer on or off.
and many other sites.


Which is why I keep a backup browser handy: Camino

[TrenchMouth]

What's wrong with Blogger in the latest released version of 1.3? I never have had problems with Blogger since I started using them in June of last year.
-Chase

Type a post in Blogger using FireFox and tell me if you see a few extra features...

Blogger compatibility (http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=930)

[rendezvouscp]

Type a post in Blogger using FireFox and tell me if you see a few extra features...

Blogger compatibility (http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=930)

Wow, I can't believe I went a year without knowing that Blogger had all those cool features. Now I wish I used Blogger... (unless WordPress has features like this I don't know about! *storms off*).
-Chase

Addition 'cause I didn't want to have two consecutive posts:

Grr, so WP has neat features like this too. Now, I might switch to FF due to Safari's lack of these features.
-Chase

[artifex]

confirmed-the carsite will not work for me, either, popup killer on or off.
and many other sites.


Which is why I keep a backup browser handy: Camino

Why do you prefer Camino over, say... FireFox? :)
Seriously, I'm used to FF from the Windows side, found it a natural step to move my settings to my Mac install, etc. Is Camino a lot prettier, or something? How up to date is it with all the underlying technologies FireFox uses?

[rendezvouscp]

Why do you prefer Camino over, say... FireFox? :)
Seriously, I'm used to FF from the Windows side, found it a natural step to move my settings to my Mac install, etc. Is Camino a lot prettier, or something? How up to date is it with all the underlying technologies FireFox uses?

Camino is made for the Mac more than FF, so it takes advantage of Mac-specific features. FF is practically limited by what can be done in all three major OS's, so FF doesn't take advantage of a lot of Mac capabilities (Deer Park might change things a bit though). Camino is only for the Mac, making it (generally) a better Mac browser.
-Chase

[Cougarcat]

Safari for me seems to have a memory leak. After having it opened for a while it uses over 100 MB of RAM. Annoying.

[aegisdesign]

Looking at the code for some of those sites mentioned, you can see that it's not CSS or HTML that is the problem, it's badly coded javascript. A couple of the sites, such as the ticket site detect either IE or Netscape in the user agent string and do different things depending on that - there's no fallback for other browsers. So it's not really Safari's fault, it's the site designers.

If you come across a site like that, rather than use another browser or switch the useragent in the debug menu, tell the site owner that their site doesn't work and why. Until people do that, they probably don't know they are losing customers and are blissfully unaware how many Safari users there are.

[macnews]

I tried the edmunds site w/no problem under safari 1.2, the pgawest site did give me problems. There will always be some sites that are still coded for IE specifically, or as other's mentioned, just have poor web/java scripting in general. This is the unfortunate downside to MS pushing the IE browser and not following standards. Now that MS and IE are associated with virus problems, we have seen more people getting back to standards. FF and other browsers coming back in to the market are also helping this.

For me, I don't understand the people who complain about Safari because it doesn't work with some sites, or is missing that feature or this. IMHO, ANY browser is better than IE. Camino gives me problems with some sites, so has FF, Safari and Omniweb - but in general they ALL work for 98% of the websites I use on a regular basis. Some also have different features, that is why I narrowed my choices down to Safari and Camino - they are what work best for me and I like. Choice is good and I am happy not to choose IE.

[joeyboy76]

what is wrong with my safari?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/joeyboy76/weird.jpg

the same thing goes for my dashboard.. very much frustrated about it already.
but my firefox works fine

[rendezvouscp]

what is wrong with my safari?

Woah, what did you do? Seriously, there's something really wrong with Webkit on your system. I could tell you to repair permissions, but I have a feeling that won't help. :rolleyes:

Look to make sure you didn't throw anything away in the Trash, and you might need to go to Apple's website and download the latest update to Safari or Mac OS X to see if things can get straightened out. Good luck!
-Chase

[joeyboy76]

Woah, what did you do? Seriously, there's something really wrong with Webkit on your system. I could tell you to repair permissions, but I have a feeling that won't help. :rolleyes:

Look to make sure you didn't throw anything away in the Trash, and you might need to go to Apple's website and download the latest update to Safari or Mac OS X to see if things can get straightened out. Good luck!
-Chase

i did the reinstall of safari from the imac system installation disk.
no luck.
i downloaded the nightshift thingie to supposedly update the webkit
no luck.

i want the reinstallation of the whole system as my final resort.... it's such a tedious task!

[rendezvouscp]

i did the reinstall of safari from the imac system installation disk.
no luck.
i downloaded the nightshift thingie to supposedly update the webkit
no luck.

i want the reinstallation of the whole system as my final resort.... it's such a tedious task!

Don't re-install! I just zipped up the WebKit framework found at /System/Library/Frameworks/ and I'm loading it to my iDisk. Replacing mine with yours (if you're running 10.4.2) should fix things. I'll post again when I've uploaded it.
-Chase

EDIT: Woah, my iDisk is being snappier than I thought it was going to be. Here's the framework you need. Go ahead and delete the current one, then launch Safari (it won't launch, btw), then replace it with my new one, and launch it again to see if it works. WebKit.framework (http://homepage.mac.com/rendezvouscp/macrumors/WebKit.framework.zip) Good luck!
-Chase

[munkle]

Will the ability to download things from activities come back? I have to use Firefox to take embedded media files off of pages.

Just option-click the file you want to download.

[Preclaro_tipo]

Safari 2.0
10.4.2

So edmunds.com also didn't render the second page without clicking refresh.

Safari rendering does not bother me too much, i can work around it, perfect? No. Safari, and the apple platform do lack usability compared to Windows IE 5.5+ with respect to plug ins too. There are things that CANNOT be done. And IE is still the defacto standard for web development, quite sad.
I have OS choice working where i do in Commercial real estate, here is my partial list of sites that don't work correctly in safari/apple os:
(you actually may have to be a member or sign up to see the errors, which i don't expect you to do, but this post is a counter to the folks who believe there is nothing wrong with Safari)

http://www.iredonline.com (windows don't render correctly, popups don't spawn, pages don't render like MSIE 5.5 *not developed for safari)

http://www.resultsmail.com (IE for mac or windows required for log in due to the email composition tool. Also will not correctly upload a .CSV file, works using the same file in window browser only)

http://www.xdrive.com (Java based uploading for files and folders, only works once, then you must restart your browser, safari also lacks the adjustable frames that MSIE 5.5+ have.)

http://www.plexisgroup.com/efiniti/index.cfm (Click on the county links in purple on the left column. This demonstrates one of the non-existant plug-in that is available in windows browsing only. Do i think apple should be proactive in making sure there is a mac version of every plugin, yes. This plugin is from autodesk,for windows. This lack of plugin means hundreds of GIS sites won't work for mac people, look for GIS in your area, start by looking for your county homepage.)

http://www.appraisalinstitute.org/ (just an example of menu problems, minor)


http://www.aihsc.org/ (more menu issues,the menu appears at the top of the window, not next to the right arrow, again, minor i suppose)

So my boss loves the macs that i have shown him, in the store and at his office. He would like to adopt the technology. But he does see me move to a windows machine to do web stuff. He would not be happy to go back about 5 years in web technology. I estimate that the sites that are unusable (therefore not available) with safari, especially the mapping GIS ones, effectively take apple browsing back 5 years.

[cgc]

Name them. I've never seen a single site that I "just can't view." That's poppycock.

I use Safari for 99% of my needs, but I simply cannot view stuff on start.veruzon.net (I think it uses ActiveX or something) and I cannot upload photos to my Yahoo Briefcase. there are a handful of other sites that don't behave with Safari, but they are few and far between.

[joeyboy76]

Don't re-install! I just zipped up the WebKit framework found at /System/Library/Frameworks/ and I'm loading it to my iDisk. Replacing mine with yours (if you're running 10.4.2) should fix things. I'll post again when I've uploaded it.
-Chase

EDIT: Woah, my iDisk is being snappier than I thought it was going to be. Here's the framework you need. Go ahead and delete the current one, then launch Safari (it won't launch, btw), then replace it with my new one, and launch it again to see if it works. WebKit.framework (http://homepage.mac.com/rendezvouscp/macrumors/WebKit.framework.zip) Good luck!
-Chase

i have downloaded it, but how do i replace it?

[cgc]

i have downloaded it, but how do i replace it?

Get NightShift...it auto DLs and preps WebCore...

[rendezvouscp]

i have downloaded it, but how do i replace it?

Go to /System/Library/Frameworks and delete the current WebKit.framework (it'll ask for an admin password, and make sure that Safari isn't running). Then go ahead and put in the one you downloaded once you open up the .zip file. It'll ask for an admin password too. Then launch Safari, and hopefully all will be well. Post here if it works too. :)
-Chase

[strale]

They really should get rid of khtml, or at least offer to use the Gecko engine. Safari is good for browsing news site, but when it comes to java sites, like map24.com ... it just sucks. Sometines, after using Safari a lot, it uses 100% CPU.

Firefox - while not as snappy as Safari - is still the better browser.

[rendezvouscp]

They really should get rid of khtml, or at least offer to use the Gecko engine. Safari is good for browsing news site, but when it comes to java sites, like map24.com ... it just sucks. Sometines, after using Safari a lot, it uses 100% CPU.

Firefox - while not as snappy as Safari - is still the better browser.

Ah, so easy for someone to say, but I'm sure you're making a few web developers cringe. Why? Well, I'm partial to Safari because I think that the team behind it is fantastic, and now that it's open source, there's going to be even more improvements made. Safari has some fantastic standards compatibility that really makes things easier sometimes. Sure, it's not the best browser out there for most people because of the rendering engine, but I think that it's a great app. It's got some problems like using way too many resources, but those will be worked out with time. Hopefully.
-Chase

[beatle888]

yeah..sometimes i'll just make a new tab and then bam!! the beachball..

one thing that REALLY annoys me about safari is it's inability to force-refresh. sometimes i visit a page which I KNOW has changed (normally because i've just changed it myself..) and safari will load the same thing. Apple + refresh..nothing..empty cache..nothing..

is it really that hard to do? works fine in firefox..



safari is very stable for me but i dont really use tabs. till today, i had a bunch of tabs open, using them to surf the web for hours today and it did end up crashing on me. i was very surprised. maybe it crashes more if you use tabs?

[Bodie]

Name them. I've never seen a single site that I "just can't view." That's poppycock.

How amazing it is that you must have visited EVERY web site and opened EVERY web page.

Safari 1.2 (OSX 10.3.9) Has display problems with portions of eBay. Particularly with some of their help pages. When I encounter those problems, I use Firefox. eBay has been notified and Apple has been sent a bug report.

Glad to hear an update is coming.