New iBooks and Powerbooks! [Archive]

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 08:02 AM

Well, arn, you have very good sources ;)

The better thing is that for an extra hundred, you can go from a combo drive to a superdrive!!! But what is this about apple saying they don't have the 5400 rpm 60 GB HD anymore?:confused: Too bad its still PC133 SDRAM, but hey, the price drop is awesome!!!:D And we gots the Radeon 9000!!! :D Although the rez is still 1280x854...but thats ok!!!

We gots superdrive!!!
We gots the 64 MB Radeon 9000!!!
We gots the 1 GHz computer baby!!!
We gots a good deep price cut baby!!!

backspinner

Nov 6, 2002, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by BeyondCloister
Just such a shame that the entry level iBook will cost me $322 more in the UK
blame _your_ government!

macuserx

Nov 6, 2002, 08:04 AM

UnixMac

Nov 6, 2002, 08:09 AM

When will CompUSA have them in??? Anyone know?

shadowfax

Nov 6, 2002, 08:09 AM

Apple is the best! i couldn't have thought of better!

Thirteenva

Nov 6, 2002, 08:10 AM

http://homepage.mac.com/thirteenva/homerdrooling.jpg

anthonymoody

Nov 6, 2002, 08:10 AM

Wow this is really fantastic. I've been thinking hard about the Panasonic T1 (from Dynamism), which still is pretty cool. However, the mid level TiBook is hard to resist. Well done Apple. Also, I think the middle iBook could be the best overall value right now, what with its bump in vram and other specs.

TM

ninjachild

Nov 6, 2002, 08:11 AM

man and here i was going to be all disappointed today

can i just say BOOOOOOYAH!!!

ibook 800mhz
WITH 32MB video card and combo drive,
256 megs of ram, a 10gig ipod...
ALL FOR $$1725!!!!

i don't even have any reservations about switching now

iShater

Nov 6, 2002, 08:14 AM

I guess I will be stopping by the Apple store today to check if they have any of the new machines in! :D

Now, to convince my wife that a new laptop will make me finish me thesis faster! :p

Anyways, Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! :D

technocoy

Nov 6, 2002, 08:15 AM

do you guys think the monitor deals apply to the new books as well?? i want a 22in display with my 1ghz but the pdf says 800mhz, and we all know how apple likes loopholes!!!

thanks,
holt

wenwess

Nov 6, 2002, 08:16 AM

One plus for being an under paid teacher: Powerbook G4 with Superdrive $2699!

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by technocoy
do you guys think the monitor deals apply to the new books as well?? i want a 22in display with my 1ghz but the pdf says 800mhz, and we all know how apple likes loopholes!!!

thanks,
holt

As far as I know...yes.

The powercouple and the double your ram for $40 still applies...which accounts for even more savings!!! ;)

SilentPanda

Nov 6, 2002, 08:18 AM

All I want to say is...

I smiled.

:D

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by wenwess
One plus for being an under paid teacher: Powerbook G4 with Superdrive $2699!

Same here, as a poor, broke student.

Almost ultimate configuration for $2644 before tax! Includes ground shipping!

PowerBook 1GHz
40GB Ultra ATA drive (4200 rpm :()
64MB Radeon 9000 :D
1GB SDRAM - 2 DIMMs (PC133) :(
Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) (1x6x8x4x24x) :D:):(
(so its slower than the regular combo drive "0x8x8x8x24x);)
1GHz PowerPC G4 :D
AirPort Card

Shipping 3-4 weeks...I'm ok with that!

$2886 - $242 (savings from doubling the ram) =
$2644!!!

This is cheaper than the average 800 MHz I was thinking about yesterday!!!

Oh yeah...and interest free loan for 180 days...boo-ya!

This price reflects the cost at my University through the apple store...its a tad cheaper than the regular Apple education store;)

gopher

Nov 6, 2002, 08:23 AM

By choosing only a 40 GB hard drive. Nice. That means $2999 becomes $2899 for the Superdrive model.

iGav

Nov 6, 2002, 08:24 AM

I'M BUYING THE ONE WITH THE SUPERDRIVE AND FILLED WITH ALL THE RAM POSSIBLE............

HEH HEH HEH!!!

1GHz POWERBOOK WITH SUPERDRIVE!!!!!!!!!! HAS A RING TO IT DOESN'T IT.............

buffsldr

Nov 6, 2002, 08:25 AM

Very nice. Just like it has been said, they gave us about everything that was expected.

I wonder where bluetooth is?

tgma

Nov 6, 2002, 08:26 AM

It seems to me that maybe Apple has decided to make Bluetooth an option extra. If you want to use it, then you have to get an adapter.

It seems to me that most of the times you are going to want to use Bluetooth, you will have to be in a relatively stable position - there aren't going to be that many times that you want to use your laptop and Bluetooth, and are not going to be in a position to take out a USB adapter and plug it in. I was going to wait for built-in Bluetooth, so that I can use iSync with my Ericsson phone, but I am going to go the adapter route, and I don't anticipate having any problems.

BTW, I am also expecting a slew of reports in 5 weeks time about problems with the slot-loading Superdrive. I can't believe that the first production run of this is going to be fault-free. This always happens when some cool new technology is implemented.

But full marks to Apple - they gave the market just about everything it wanted, and at a lower price.

medea

Nov 6, 2002, 08:26 AM

well all in all it turned out well, but I guess I'll be the first negative person and say that a regular cdrom drive with no cdr is silly, ahwell it's still good to finally have an apple laptop below a grand. Thanks apple.

demonx

Nov 6, 2002, 08:30 AM

Yes
32megs of Video:D :D

BeyondCloister

Nov 6, 2002, 08:32 AM

Very nice indeed. Just such a shame that the entry level iBook will cost me $322 more in the UK and still no fully working Sherlock or iPhoto. :mad:

Almost makes it tempting to fly to the States to pick one up!

Stelliform

Nov 6, 2002, 08:33 AM

One Superduper Powerbook on the way to my door! I wonder if the first 100 buyers get a free mousepad or something?

Tiauguinho

Nov 6, 2002, 08:35 AM

Excelent! Big Surprise! A 1Ghz Powerbook with Superdrive and a 64MB RADEON 9000! Excelent job Apple! Congratulations to the Apple Team!

srobert

Nov 6, 2002, 08:35 AM

Powerbook with Superdrive, I hereby christen thee by the name of...

SUPER-POWER

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 08:37 AM

Ok, now that I've gotten over my excitment, here are my complaints about the new powerbook:

No DDR Ram yet.
Haven't done much to improve Airport reception.
The HD is still at 4200 rpm, and the ultimate 60 GB 5400 rpm is dropped.
No USB2, just in case we need it.
No bluetooth.

Otherwise I really don't mind. Like I said, I finally switched!!!

djniche

Nov 6, 2002, 08:38 AM

just one word WoW!!

a 1ghz tibook would be excellent!!! with superdrive....
makes me think i should have waited on my 667mhz

o well.. my fiancee wants a tibook herself i think mine must just go to her and I will get the 1.2ghz with superdrive once it comes out.

Excellent upgrade though.. congrat to those who get it and we need feedback on them!!

Hmm

Nov 6, 2002, 08:42 AM

WHAT?!?!?!

No $999 1 Ghz G4 iBook with SuperDuperDrive and 15" holographic display?!?!?!?!?! No Free iPod?!?!?! What the hell is wrong with Apple!! This sucks!!! I'm selling all my Macs and buying a Dell!!!

bcar0934

Nov 6, 2002, 08:44 AM

I will just have to go out on a limb on this one and say: NO NEW POWERBOOKS for MWSF....lol :D

Just kidding, but really? What could they possibly introduce then on the powerbook?

And did someone answer why we can't get 5400 RPM drives in these? Oh well maybe aftermarket drive for me...

woodsey

Nov 6, 2002, 08:46 AM

what a tasty new portable line up.

Too bad about the australian currency conversion.

I'll only pay an extra 270 us bucks, for the entry level iBook.

oh well

Stelliform

Nov 6, 2002, 08:47 AM

Where those little slits in the case where the airport antenna is located on the older models?

I don't remember seeing them, but I am probably wrong.

Wireless photo points them out..
http://www.apple.com/powerbook/wireless.html

(Powerbook VR http://www.apple.com/hardware/gallery/pbg4_nov2002_480.html)

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by bcar0934
And did someone answer why we can't get 5400 RPM drives in these? Oh well maybe aftermarket drive for me...

Looking at the specs, thats all I see. Lemme quote the storage:

Storage
40GB or 60GB 4200-rpm Ultra ATA/66 hard drive (1)
One of the following slot-loading optical drives:
- Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW); reads DVDs at 8x speed, writes CD-R and CD-RW discs at 8x speed, reads CDs at 24x speed
- SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW); writes DVD-R discs at 1x speed, reads DVDs at 6x speed, writes CD-R discs at 8x speed, writes CD-RW discs at 4x speed, reads CDs at 24x speed

Looks like an IBM Travelstar 40GNX is in order for me ;)

ncbill

Nov 6, 2002, 08:47 AM

Here's a kludge:

1. Grab the (smaller than a chewing gum pack) Bluetooth adapter.

2. If it's really too much trouble to plug it directly into the USB slot, then:

3. Glue/velcro the Bluetooth adapter to the TiBook lid

4. Buy a short USB extention cable to connect the adapter to the USB port (this will ensure everything stays put even in "unstable" conditions, though it won't be pretty)

Originally posted by tgma
It seems to me that maybe Apple has decided to make Bluetooth an option extra. If you want to use it, then you have to get an adapter.

It seems to me that most of the times you are going to want to use Bluetooth, you will have to be in a relatively stable position - there aren't going to be that many times that you want to use your laptop and Bluetooth, and are not going to be in a position to take out a USB adapter and plug it in. I was going to wait for built-in Bluetooth, so that I can use iSync with my Ericsson phone, but I am going to go the adapter route, and I don't anticipate having any problems.

But full marks to Apple - they gave the market just about everything it wanted, and at a lower price.

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Stelliform
Where those little slits in the case where the airport antenna is located on the older models?

I don't remember seeing them, but I am probably wrong.

Wireless photo points them out..
http://www.apple.com/powerbook/wireless.html

(Powerbook VR http://www.apple.com/hardware/gallery/pbg4_nov2002_480.html)

Yeah, the slits have been there since the 500 MHz Ti-books ;)

srobert

Nov 6, 2002, 08:49 AM

Ok, who gave this thread a Negative Rating. ^_^

I'm not pointing fingers

the future

Nov 6, 2002, 08:51 AM

my powerbook future is so bright i gotta wear shades...:cool:

Gwindor

Nov 6, 2002, 08:55 AM

:cool: It looks like this PC user is finally getting a Mac. Whoo hoo!!! Way to go Apple!!! Everything I wanted in the new Pbook and more!

What a great thing to wake up to first thing in the morning. :D

Cappy

Nov 6, 2002, 08:55 AM

Sounds like Apple met *most* potential customers expectations which is a good thing. I just hope folks realize that this means no new bumps or revisions come January. We're probably talking March/April for a new rev on either model.

Rocketman

Nov 6, 2002, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Over Achiever
Well, arn, you have very good sources ;)

We gots superdrive!!!
We gots the 64 MB Radeon 9000!!!
We gots the 1 GHz computer baby!!!
We gots a good deep price cut baby!!!

Agreed. What I find interesting is the top end Powerbook is now the BEST value. 64mb vram vs 32, airport vs not, 20 more gig HD, double the memory, superdruve. BUY A LEATHER PLACEMAT for your 1.0 Ghz Powerbook. You'll need it.

Rocketman

Filling out requisition . . .

Stelliform

Nov 6, 2002, 09:04 AM

Did ya'll notice that the 1Ghz ranks at 7.5 Gigaflops? I cannot find the rating of the Intel P4 2Gigers. (But I found some docs putting desktop versions at 5Gigaflops.

I wish Apple would start using Gigaflops instead of MHz.

UnixMac

Nov 6, 2002, 09:05 AM

How much is the IBM 40GB GNX? And is it easy to upgrade? Very disapointed in the 4200 RPM Limit, I would be happy to pay more for the faster Drive...

Thirteenva

Nov 6, 2002, 09:06 AM

I wonder how they solved the heat issues with the ghz chips?

cionheart

Nov 6, 2002, 09:13 AM

Overall, a GREAT update for the iBook. Cool graphics, more speed and a price cut.

There are some persons complaining about prices outside US. As I live in Germany I also have to deal with this. But this is not totally Apples fault as we've got higher taxes, Apple has to put more effort in translation and so on.

What's really worse and what makes me some kind of angry is the less on software you get outside the US: EarthLink, Quicken 2003 Deluxe, World Book 2003 Edition and more functions in iPhoto (order pictures) and Sherlock are missing :mad: It's just sad that iBooks are more expensive than in the US but come with less software.

Anyway a really COOL update - I'm going to buy an iBook soon.

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by WanaPBnow
How much is the IBM 40GB GNX? And is it easy to upgrade? Very disapointed in the 4200 RPM Limit, I would be happy to pay more for the faster Drive...

For a quick benchmark on the 40 GB GNX at barefeats, look here: click me (http://www.barefeats.com/fire30.html)

I found the Travelstar for $159 here (http://www.transintl.com/store/category.cfm?Category=351) for the 40GB model, and the 20 GB model is $115.

I suggest doing a google search for the best price, and also do a search for 2.5" Notebook HD, 5400 rpm. Just to compare specs.;)

imnoah

Nov 6, 2002, 09:22 AM

From Apple's PR Site....
www.apple.com/pr

Pricing & Availability
The 867 MHz Titanium PowerBook G4 is available now, and the 1 GHz model is expected to be available in mid-November through the Apple Store® (www.apple.com), at Apple’s retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers at the below suggested retail prices.

sparkleytone

Nov 6, 2002, 09:26 AM

o m f g

many of us, including me in some respects, are eating alot of crow today. apple pulled a fast one on us. what an amazing product...hell..what amazing products

just when people are losing the faith...they not only deliver on hardware...but price as well...

apple = 1
whiners = 0

i dont know about you guys but this makes me even more excited about the months and years to come.

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by sparkleytone
o m f g

many of us, including me in some respects, are eating alot of crow today. apple pulled a fast one on us. what an amazing product...hell..what amazing products

just when people are losing the faith...they not only deliver on hardware...but price as well...

apple = 1
whiners = 0

i dont know about you guys but this makes me even more excited about the months and years to come.

Count me in. I almost lost faith in Apple, and was seriously considering the VPR Matrix...but I'm glad I stuck with 'em.

Just imagine when the IBM 970 gets into the powerbook in a couple of years...that'll be great. And DDR as well!

anthonymoody

Nov 6, 2002, 09:31 AM

WOW I just looked at the education discounts...they're even more incredible. I cant wait to see what my university pricing is (it's usually lower than the apple ed prices)...

TM

Hawthorne

Nov 6, 2002, 09:35 AM

All of them!

This is a banner day in apple rumor history. Only the most hard-core whiners can complain now!

switchfiend

Nov 6, 2002, 09:38 AM

It seems weird that the new ibook is using the previous generation powerbook's video card, yet the external resolution (from hooking a monitor up to the vga port) is still 1024x768.

I know that the old powerbook could do 1600x1200, and that apple most likely didn't want the ibook to have a similar feature set to help distance itself from the pro model.

Still, the ibook page says "We’ve taken the powerful graphics rendering capabilities of the previous PowerBook G4 and put it in a consumer portable" yet, they must have changed it to only allow external displays to be of a lesser resolution.

That's really the only thing I don't like about my current ibook, and was hoping to see eventually changed.

Still, the argument can be made that people should buy a powerbook if that's what they are looking for. I actually much prefer the form factor of the 12" ibook to the powerbook. ah well.

drastik

Nov 6, 2002, 09:41 AM

Drastik:

(can't type becuse he is dancing around his oice and looking for a pretty girl to kiss.)

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 09:42 AM

I see you fixed your post...never mind

Thirteenva

Nov 6, 2002, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by WanaPBnow
How much is the IBM 40GB GNX? And is it easy to upgrade? Very disapointed in the 4200 RPM Limit, I would be happy to pay more for the faster Drive...

I put the 40gnx in my rev A. tibook. Pretty easy upgrade. Its faster at retrieving and writing to disk.

Now if sonnet would just release a 1ghz upgrade for the Rev. A's ;)

Then i'd be set...:D

drastik

Nov 6, 2002, 09:45 AM

Sorry about that, too fast with the typing today, need more sleep, up crying about elections. ( and drinking)

cocoa

Nov 6, 2002, 09:45 AM

wow....
no further comments needed...

----------------------------------
is it me or the rubber pieces on top of the "computer" part of the PbG4 are bigger?
That would help diminuish the "keys on the screen" problem...
Anyway

Thumbs up.

nassau

Nov 6, 2002, 09:49 AM

does anyone know for sure if u can boot up into os 9 on the new iBooks? not classic, NOT classic

is it possible to boot up into os9 and never use osx for a second?
peace

F/reW/re

Nov 6, 2002, 09:49 AM

An iBook with 128 MB RAM, hmmm
What can I do with that..? Perhaps the calculator will do it for me..

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by nassau
does anyone know for sure if u can boot up into os 9 on the new iBooks? not classic, NOT classic

is it possible to boot up into os9 and never use osx for a second?
peace

I would think so. I'm looking at the powerbook specs, and it the software it includes in OS 9 and OS X, so I don't think the boot into OS X only applys yet.

I think the iBook is the same way;)

And yeah, you can just use OS 9 if you want I suppose.

Shrek

Nov 6, 2002, 09:52 AM

This is GREAT!!! Next in line is the iMac. C'mon 19" iMac! 1.25GHz! Woohoooooooooo!

eric_n_dfw

Nov 6, 2002, 09:54 AM

I've never used a PowerBook outside of the Apple store and CompUSA, so bear with me if this is a silly question.

I know that if you hook up a NTSC monitort (TV) to the S-Video port, you can use it as a preview in Final Cut Pro. In essence, using the S-Video as a 2nd monitor in a "dual headed" or "spanned" capacitiy.

I also know that if you hook up a monitor to the DVI port, you can have dual headed/spanned displays between the PB's LCD and the monitor.

Here's my questions:
If I hook up both a DVI monitor and an S-Video one can I:
1) Have, 3 spanned monitors (2 desktops and an NTSC preview in FCP)
2) or, close the lid and just have my desktop on the DVI monitor and my preview on the S-Video one

I'm guessing #2 is correct and doubt #1 is possible.

Kilchzimmer

Nov 6, 2002, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by BeyondCloister
Almost makes it tempting to fly to the States to pick one up!

I'm panicing from the other side of the ocean. I just placed my order online (here in the States) for the PB and we fly out on Nov. 30 for Switzerland. Then I read on this list that the delivery date is 3-4 weeks at the earliest!!:( Is that true?

I was debating on whether I should just pick one up at the nearest Apple Store (Maryland), until they told me this morning that the first delivery might be 5-10 days, but they were sort of guessing on that. Didn't know what to do. Hope it get's here before the 30th! We were back in the States for 4 months (Aug-Nov) and I was waiting and waiting for this release ....

- Tim (pre-panic stage...)

ps.- I got up to check the Apple online Store at 7am EST and there was no new PB yet and I thought what a depressing day - no new PB and Rendell will be PA's Governor for the next 4 yrs.. Could it get any worse.

mmoore00

Nov 6, 2002, 09:56 AM

Bwahaha!! I AM BUYING A POWERBOOK! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Way to go MacRumors.com, I've always had faith in you.

irmongoose

Nov 6, 2002, 09:57 AM

As I have said before, and will continue to say... APPLE RULES!!!!!!!

Well I don't need this monster, but it's still great for braggin, ain't it? :p

But I'm worried... what if the cover melts?? I mean... superdrive AND 1 GHz chip man... that's gotta be quite hot.... did they add some extra cooling features?

irmongoose

woodsey

Nov 6, 2002, 09:57 AM

Get your ugly face off this formu SHREK!

We want Sulley!!!!

reyesmac

Nov 6, 2002, 09:59 AM

The cheapest Macs sold today are the G3 imac for $800 and the G3 iBook for $999. So, you telling me that an eMac with a CRT is harder and more expensive to make than a laptop? Wow. Its good to know that their computers can still have more price cuts if they need to have them.
I do like the fact that the Powerbook costs now than it cost me to get a Powermac G3 350 with a 17in monitor, now I have more choice in what to buy, and I like that.

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Kilchzimmer
I was debating on whether I should just pick one up at the nearest Apple Store (Maryland), until they told me this morning that the first delivery might be 5-10 days, but they were sort of guessing on that. Didn't know what to do. Hope it get's here before the 30th! We were back in the States for 4 months (Aug-Nov) and I was waiting and waiting for this release ....

I'm getting the same shipping time for my powerbook as well. Looks like online will be a tad slower...

The PR says that

The 867 MHz Titanium PowerBook G4 is available now, and the 1 GHz model is expected to be available in mid-November through the Apple Store www.apple.com, at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers at the suggested retail prices below...

But I expect the powerbooks to go fast;) I think you can cancel your order if it hasn't shipped yet, so try out he apple store when they get them, then cancel your order;)

demonx

Nov 6, 2002, 10:00 AM

Now my main concern is how soon will these things ship?
Apple store is showing 3-5 days, but with a new released product and so many people wanting it I wonder just how likely that will be....

CompUSA is still showing the old models and prices on thier site the last time I checked so that rules them out.

Shrek

Nov 6, 2002, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by woodsey
Get your ugly face off this formu SHREK!

We want Sulley!!!!

Well, that was some flame. You have been reported. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

vollspacken

Nov 6, 2002, 10:13 AM

...this is the happiest day in my life!
WORD!!!

Apple has fulfilled my wildest dreams (and I'm not talking about Heidi Klum here... :D )

Right now => online order!!!
:) :p :D :cool:

UnixMac

Nov 6, 2002, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by drastik
Sorry about that, too fast with the typing today, need more sleep, up crying about elections. ( and drinking)

Why? The Repubs are gonna cut my taxes so I can get a new PB!

pilotgi

Nov 6, 2002, 10:18 AM

This is a great upgrade for both portable lines, but I'm curious why apple didn't put ddr vram in both laptops. The "old" powerbook had Radeon 7500 w/32Mb ddr vram.

Why didn't they just use that in the iBook?

Oh well, I'm gonna buy an 800Mhz iBook anyway and finally get to experience OS X.

mdurell

Nov 6, 2002, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Molson
But where's the Bluetooth?

Why, where it's always been... Right here (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/21/wo/ZYnPp00z1Kvns4O8Xn/1.3.0.3.27.8.3.3.13.0).

MacBandit

Nov 6, 2002, 10:34 AM

Okay, okay enough with the spam everyone. If all you're going to say is go Apple then don't post. We already feel the same and know how you feel.

Okay to add some real input to this thread. Has anyone noticed that the top two iBook (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/292/wo/LSfJW1UI3vrLJemLrt/0.3.0.3.27.29.0.1.3.1.3.1.1.0?132,87) models at the store show 6 hours battery life. While the bottom two show 5 hours battery life. Seems odd to me.

Also here is the official press releases from Apple.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/nov/06ibook.html

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/nov/06pbg4.html

Somebody

Nov 6, 2002, 10:37 AM

Wow! I really wasn't expecting the SuperDrive or the 867/1GHz speeds. And I was seriously doubting the Radeon 9000 (especially with 64 Megs).

I was figuring that today I would be ordering a bottom-end 800MHz PowerBook for $2299, and that in January or a month or two later, a big revision would make me wish that I'd held off a little longer. I figured I'd be happy with it, but vaguely worried that in a year or less I'd be itching to upgrade again.

Instead, I've just ordered the 1GHz/Superdrive model, which I think is a great value; Normally I expect to pay more of a premium for the top-end than this. I'm super-excited, and confident that it'll be a couple of years before I even think about upgrading the machine.

alex_ant

Nov 6, 2002, 10:38 AM

In the mean time, one thing we can tell you is that if the announcements do indeed come next week, they will not include Superdrives.
-- MacOSRumors.com

MacBandit

Nov 6, 2002, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by alex_ant
MacOSRumors.com

So MacOSRumors.com is notoriously incorrect and actually worse then SpyMac who is one of the worse in the field.

sphereboy

Nov 6, 2002, 10:51 AM

crooks.

evilpenguin21

Nov 6, 2002, 11:12 AM

My powerbooks not uber anymore :(

nassau

Nov 6, 2002, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Over Achiever

I would think so. I'm looking at the powerbook specs, and it the software it includes in OS 9 and OS X, so I don't think the boot into OS X only applys yet.

I think the iBook is the same way;)

And yeah, you can just use OS 9 if you want I suppose.

i called apple store in sweden:

me "does the ibook boot up into os9?"
apple store "no i don't think so"
me "are u sure?"
apple store "yes i think so, 90% sure i guess"
me "cus i read that until 2003 u would still be able to"
apple store "yea, i don't know, but u can buy an os9 cd and install it"
me "oh... ok"

result:

me=confused...

does anyone know for sure?

katchow

Nov 6, 2002, 11:16 AM

Okay, okay enough with the spam everyone. If all you're going to say is go Apple then don't post. We already feel the same and know how you feel.

Okay to add some real input to this thread. Has anyone noticed that the top two iBook models at the store show 6 hours battery life. While the bottom two show 5 hours battery life. Seems odd to me.

the 14 in. iBooks have always touted 6 hr. battery lifes unless i'm mistaken...thanks for the "real input"...jes' kiddin

Apple Rules! Go Apple!

vniow

Nov 6, 2002, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by WanaPBnow
How much is the IBM 40GB GNX? And is it easy to upgrade? Very disapointed in the 4200 RPM Limit, I would be happy to pay more for the faster Drive...

Even more good news for you.

IBM announced today that they are going to be producing 7200rpm notebok drives at the end of the 1st quarter of next year.

(http://news.com.com/2100-1001-964711.html?tag=fd_top)

Inhale420

Nov 6, 2002, 11:22 AM

i've been using macs since elementary school, but the 'faster' powerbook model will be my first owned mac. can't wait. :) :) :D

sparkleytone

Nov 6, 2002, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by drastik
Sorry about that, too fast with the typing today, need more sleep, up crying about elections. ( and drinking)

i feel that...i was so happy i almost cried too.

Originally posted by F/reW/re
An iBook with 128 MB RAM, hmmm
What can I do with that..? Perhaps the calculator will do it for me..

errrm...so buy more ram...512MB of notebook memory is < $100. BFD.

Originally posted by MacBandit
Okay, okay enough with the spam everyone. If all you're going to say is go Apple then don't post. We already feel the same and know how you feel.

hey screw you buddy. if we want to gush over our favorite company so be it...you dont like it, dont read it. for me its a breath of fresh air after all the negativity flying around for the past couple months.

chibianh

Nov 6, 2002, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by evilpenguin21
My powerbooks not uber anymore :(

I feel you.... *sob*

I've been crying all morning.... and drooling at the same time.....

superdrive... *sob*
1ghz... *drool*
64mb radeon9000.... *sob* and *drool*

I still love you, my powerbook...

anthonymoody

Nov 6, 2002, 11:31 AM

Yeah, this

http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1001-964711.html?type=pt&part=msn&tag=cdf&form=base&subj=cn_fd

is good news. I may get the top PB w/ the smallest HD and buy one of these bad boys instead to swap in...

TM

davidc2182

Nov 6, 2002, 11:35 AM

What happened to the brighter screen?, thats one thing i hate about notebooks the screens are not bright enough, oh well i hope they come out with a new powerbook duo, anyway there is a cool stand out on the net that looks like an imac base without an LCD its cool now you can have the stand with your powerbook and use it as a desktop system like an imac, only its portable :-) cool huh?

robguz

Nov 6, 2002, 11:36 AM

Regarding the calculator. All I know is that the jaguar calculator on my Ti 550 512MB was too slow to be usable and couldn't even keep up with me keying in numbers! So the 700ibook with 128MB probably can't really use the calculator effectively.

Almost all the rumors were true except 13" ibook and new monitors. This is probably it until MWSF for anything new.

sucks to have bought a $3300 Ti800 in the past month. What's it worth now? $2000 maybe. hopefully the refurbs prices will drop dramatically which would bring them even lower for those who want to save $. glad I just sold my ti 550 before these were announced, otherwise who would buy that slowpoke that gets trounced by a $999 iBook?

i am so tempted to get the $1299 ibook. let's hope they can be software overclocked to 900MHz. I wonder if Apple found a way to prevent that.

Megaquad

Nov 6, 2002, 11:37 AM

This is the best day in my life!!
I must buy that powerbook!! I almost got heart attack when I checked apple.com and saw new stuff..wheehuu

ljova.com

Nov 6, 2002, 11:38 AM

Inhale420

Nov 6, 2002, 11:40 AM

Scab Cake

Nov 6, 2002, 11:43 AM

Did anyone catch the Winter in Whistler label on the DVD? Haha. That's CLASSIC!! (Note: not OS 9 classic)

Just thought that Apple's little swipe at Windows was funny.

ninjachild

Nov 6, 2002, 11:53 AM

Gelfin

Nov 6, 2002, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by ljova.com
Jee, do you think Apple delayed the release until they were sure that the Republicans would rule the government? Just curious.

Look, I'm no great fan of one party controlling the whole show (especially when that party is the modern day GOP), but... WHAT? I cannot even imagine the bizarre twists you have to put your brain through to make this sort of connection.

A typical major product launch takes a little too much advance preparation to make it contingent on a more or less zero-notice condition. And you have to assume Apple is going to want your money regardless of the political balance of the U.S. Senate.

(More to the point, *whimper* I still owe about $400 on my 667. :()

weinmatt

Nov 6, 2002, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by ljova.com
There *are* real issues, and many of them.
1) Heating/cooling
2) What is this 1GHZ processor, who made it?
3) the new Superdrive and which formats it supports
4) Which OS does the new product run?
5) AIrport improvements
6) Why are there no more 5400RPM Harddrives for TiBooks.

Ok... first off, I'm a student developer and just ordered my decked out 1GHz/1GB/60/SuperDrive Powerbook this morning at 9 am and I'm ridiculously excited...

And this is ridiculous...

1) How much worse can it get than Rev. A. -- obviously Apple figured out the heat issue for last revision.

2)I'm sorry but... "What is this 1GHZ Processor and who made it?"... I think we know this... maybe Moto got the .13nm process up and running in time for Apple

3)Obviously the same formats as the desktop SuperDrive that has been around for... oh... 2 years now

4)This is the dumbest question I've ever heard. If you're not in 10.2 yet... i'm sorry but you are out of the loop. Run classic if you need it.

5)Solved for the most part in the previous revision, anything better is bonus.

6)Because Apple has an (obviously) exclusive contract to use Toshiba hard drives (think iPod) and Toshiba does not make 60GB 5400 RPM drives... why would they offer a 40 and not be able to offer a 60? Buy a Travelstar 40GNX or wait for something faster (see earlier article on new 7200RPM drives)... Install it yourself.

I was blown away this morning... with all the crap floating around Apple really did a huge number this morning and I am ecstatic.

How exciting... 4 weeks and counting!

Matt

vixapphire

Nov 6, 2002, 11:59 AM

by the look of the apple site for the new pb's, it looks like it's only 10.2 and there's no os9 disc pictured or mentioned. does anyone know whether these machines will boot into os 9?

pgwalsh

Nov 6, 2002, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Cappy
Sounds like Apple met *most* potential customers expectations which is a good thing. I just hope folks realize that this means no new bumps or revisions come January. We're probably talking March/April for a new rev on either model. Myabe no new bumps but there could be a revision as far as looks. There's still room for Apple to play.

The new PB specs do look great!

ElRayOX

Nov 6, 2002, 12:04 PM

Oh well. This officially dates my PB 2400c. Time to upgrade...

zimv20

Nov 6, 2002, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by vixapphire
by the look of the apple site for the new pb's, it looks like it's only 10.2 and there's no os9 disc pictured or mentioned. does anyone know whether these machines will boot into os 9?

they will:

Summary
• 1GHz PowerPC G4
• 512MB SDRAM - 2 DIMMs
• 60GB Ultra ATA drive
• Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
• AirPort Card
• Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
• Mac OS X and Mac OS 9

that's for the tibook. the ibook summary has it was well (got this from applestore, after selecting a model and configuration).

Hawthorne

Nov 6, 2002, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by katchow

the 14 in. iBooks have always touted 6 hr. battery lifes unless i'm mistaken...thanks for the "real input"...jes' kiddin

Apple Rules! Go Apple!

The 14.1 in iBook has a larger battery than the 12.1in iBook, which I imagine accounts for the longer battery life.

bigjohn

Nov 6, 2002, 12:19 PM

Wow, a 1x superdrive just as the 2x drives are hitting market - a real selling point would've been to have a 2x superdrive in the PB. that way, you stay ahead of the curve... which in the area of optical drives, apple has not done forever

Chaszmyr

Nov 6, 2002, 12:20 PM

Not like it is within my ability to lose faith in Apple, but this is the first time since the new iMac came out since they did something better than I had expected :-D

GO APPLE!

vixapphire

Nov 6, 2002, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by zimv20

they will:

Summary
• 1GHz PowerPC G4
• 512MB SDRAM - 2 DIMMs
• 60GB Ultra ATA drive
• Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
• AirPort Card
• Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
• Mac OS X and Mac OS 9

that's for the tibook. the ibook summary has it was well (got this from applestore, after selecting a model and configuration).

Thanks!

vniow

Nov 6, 2002, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by bigjohn
Wow, a 1x superdrive just as the 2x drives are hitting market - a real selling point would've been to have a 2x superdrive in the PB. that way, you stay ahead of the curve... which in the area of optical drives, apple has not done forever

Notebook burners are ALWAYZ slower then their bigger counterparts.
It's the price you pay for portability. No suprises here.

dabirdwell

Nov 6, 2002, 12:26 PM

I think I'll order my iBook now.

Check out the ADC prices for students.

iBook-

$850
$1105
$1359
$1572

TiBook-
$1839
$2239
$2399-once you choose the memory upgrade this becomes $2379

Holy crap those are cheap!!

e-coli

Nov 6, 2002, 12:26 PM

wow. i'm speechless. and 512 MB of additional RAM for $40. that's insanely great.

insanely great. all of it. insanely great.

chipchen

Nov 6, 2002, 12:31 PM

so... anyone selling their old iBooks with at least a CDRW or combo drive?

drop me an email... timmy@chipchen.com

with all you buying.. there must be sellers.

sparkleytone

Nov 6, 2002, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by davidc2182
What happened to the brighter screen?, thats one thing i hate about notebooks the screens are not bright enough...

are you serious?? i keep my iBook on half brightness at all times. full on is just eyeburning and battery-chewing. i could handle more contrast, but not brightness.

Hemingray

Nov 6, 2002, 12:38 PM

And there you have it, folks... Apple put out! I must say I'm pleasantly surprised. Apple pretty much nailed all the rumors except Bluetooth and a new iBook screen size, and I wouldn't consider either of those a big deal. Awesome! I may have to get an iBook sooner than I expected. :D

kcmac

Nov 6, 2002, 12:42 PM

Apple pretty much nailed all the rumors

Now that is funny... :D

Theta138

Nov 6, 2002, 12:48 PM

Dabirdwell, how do you get the discounts so low? The lowest I see for the PowerBooks is $2,161.

fuge

Nov 6, 2002, 12:49 PM

Anyone know if this is the first notebook with a dvd-burner? Thanks.

Chaszmyr

Nov 6, 2002, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by fuge
Anyone know if this is the first notebook with a dvd-burner? Thanks.

It is not, Sony beat Apple to it, but Sony is the only other company with a DVD burner in a notebook

Upright Joe

Nov 6, 2002, 12:56 PM

I know what I'm giving me for Christmas :) I would have liked to see the 5400rpm drives still available as a BTO option but otherwise, this is absolutely the perfect laptop for me. I can't wait.

Hell, and with the price of the iBook dropping so low, I'll probably buy one for my brother for Christmas. He'll freak.

This was a great day to be an apple fanatic.

Hawthorne

Nov 6, 2002, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by ljova.com

I am waiting for reviews. Best of luck to you.

Jee, do you think Apple delayed the release until they were sure that the Republicans would rule the government? Just curious.

Best,

Ljova

Aside from the ridiculously gloomy nature of the rest of your post (hint: Eeyore is NOT a role model :) ), WTH is this comment about? Considering Steve's politics, hardly. Put down the pipe, the paranoia it causes is starting to overwhelm reason.

JamesDP

Nov 6, 2002, 12:59 PM

I love my iBook, no doubt about that, but this kinda gives me an itchy trigger finger, cuz now you can get the previous rev Powerbooks cheap (Macmall has the 667s for 1994 and 800s for 2394). I wonder if I should sell the iBook (even though I probably won't get much for it) and get me a previous rev 667 or 800. Sooooooo tempting.....

formasfunction

Nov 6, 2002, 01:02 PM

Didn't someone mention that they had just ordered a 800mhz tibook with the faster HD and it was going to be delayed because that HD was extremely back ordered? Maybe apple realized it just wasn't practical production wise to be hindered by the manufacturing of the faster drive. Just a guess.

Also, the Tibook specs still claim a 5 hour battery life. Isn't this only possible in OS9, so wouldn't that mean that the Tibooks for sure will boot into 9? Also, won't apple have to stop claiming the 5 hour battery life after January unless the variable timing yada yada yada is introduced? Perhaps we will see a few small new features to accomidate this introduced after the first of the year.

How long do you think we will have to wait for a new form factor? Don't get me wrong, I love the setup and the price, but what I'm anxious to see is how apple will follow up such an amazing design. Don't think me vain, but half of many people's perceptions on how old a computer is is how close it is design wise to the current edition. The same is true with cars. BMW didn't change their car design too much for years so now you have some BMWs that are 8 years older than others but don't look any more dated.

All in all I'm very pleased with the new setup. I was waiting on the superdrive because I multitrack audio and backing up songs with 24 tracks can take GBs for each song so it makes dumping a project I just finished in order to make room for a new one much easier.

raywysocki

Nov 6, 2002, 01:04 PM

To those that are asking when the iBooks will be available.

The Montgomeryville PA CompUSA has all three models in stock!!!

I saw the update on Apples web site at 9:15 this morning. I went up to the CompUSA(where I work part time) and found they had received all three models already.
I believe they have about 8 of each.
Only problem I see is that the SKU's they are labeled with show the price at $9999.99, and they wont change untill the system gets updated overnight.
(shouldnt be too hard to get a manager to check Apples web site for correct pricing, but could be an issue)

Enjoy
Ray

ShaolinMiddleFinger

Nov 6, 2002, 01:06 PM

Oh my! I came to work this morning, checked my email, then macrumors, I saw the headline.... my reaction was "NO WAY!" I checked out apple.com

THANK YOU GOD!!!!!!!!!!!:) :) :) :) :D :D :D

time for me to put my 2001 iBook 500Mhz to sleep...

ljova.com

Nov 6, 2002, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Hawthorne

Aside from the ridiculously gloomy nature of the rest of your post (hint: Eeyore is NOT a role model :) ), WTH is this comment about? Considering Steve's politics, hardly. Put down the pipe, the paranoia it causes is starting to overwhelm reason.

oh come ON, i was only kidding, mate.
sheesh.

Celebration for all! :)

Send a Powerbook to your boy in the Army... hmm..

SilentPanda

Nov 6, 2002, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by dabirdwell
I think I'll order my iBook now.

Check out the ADC prices for students.

iBook-

$850
$1105
$1359
$1572

TiBook-
$1839
$2239
$2399-once you choose the memory upgrade this becomes $2379

Holy crap those are cheap!!

Errrr... I'm a student and I'm not seeing prices this cheap... do you have to join the Student ADC? Cause if you do I might as well... it's only $99 to join and you get a copy of WebObjects with it... which puts the PowerBook well in my price range. Let us know! :)

mariner77

Nov 6, 2002, 01:06 PM

This is one of the very few occasions that Apple actually beat the rumors! Way to go Apple! I was all set for getting an iBook but now my decision is A LOT harder. ;-)

This actually offset some of the sadness in national politics. YUCK.

srobert

Nov 6, 2002, 01:11 PM

Hullo all. I never owned a laptop because I'm on a tight budget but seing as the ibook prices are, I might just be tempted in buying one.

But first, I'd like to know if it suits me and thats's where you guys come in the picture. I would basically use it to surf the web, do some word processing, listen to mp3s, burn some CDs, spreadsheets, and play games. the first few but how will it perform running games? I see they upgraded the video card. Will I get a decent performance out of my games? Will I be able to run next year's upcoming titles good enough?

thanks for reading,

Seb

wsteineker

Nov 6, 2002, 01:11 PM

Has anyone else noticed the new iBook BATTERIES available on the Apple website. The "Crystal White" battery for 12.1" models introdused after 5/1/2001, and the "Opaque White" battery for models introduced on 11/6/2002. Has there been a color change in the iBooks? Just wondering...

SilentPanda

Nov 6, 2002, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by SilentPanda

Errrr... I'm a student and I'm not seeing prices this cheap... do you have to join the Student ADC? Cause if you do I might as well... it's only $99 to join and you get a copy of WebObjects with it... which puts the PowerBook well in my price range. Let us know! :)

WOO HOO! I found them... let's see... sell my iMac for $1500 on eBay... $300 coming in from current eBay auctions... go down to 40 GB HD... sell first born whenever I get around to getting married... = PB w/ superdrive! YAY!

dabirdwell

Nov 6, 2002, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Theta138
Dabirdwell, how do you get the discounts so low? The lowest I see for the PowerBooks is $2,161.

Not the education store, the ADC (Apple Developer Connection).

GO to http://connect.apple.com

Click membership programs.

Click Student Developer, click student diiscounts.

Scroll down a little and click ADC Student Program Hardware Discount.

Choose your country.

Click ADC Hardware Purchase Program Store.

Check it out.

Chaszmyr

Nov 6, 2002, 01:32 PM

Wow these prices are low... Any eligibility concerns that we should know about?

Rower_CPU

Nov 6, 2002, 01:39 PM

I'm blown away by the inclusion of the Superdrive on these...totally out of nowhere.

I'm chomping at the bit to order one, but I need to check out a couple things when they show up in the local Apple Store:

1) Heat - I know this has been discussed already, but it's always an issue with a new/faster chip.
2) Battery life - My 400 MHz PB gets somewhere between 3 and 4, depending on screen brightness. A 1GHz chip will really stress the battery.
3) Airport - Again, it's been discussed, but from what I've seen in the most recent revisions it's still an issue.

Theta138

Nov 6, 2002, 01:39 PM

Holy crap! Thanks a million, dabirdwell!

dabirdwell

Nov 6, 2002, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Theta138
Holy crap! Thanks a million, dabirdwell!

Believe it or not, I actually paid someone to show me that. There was somebody on eBay saying he could get 20-25% discounts from Apple and this is what it was.

For power users the savings on towers and monitors right now are amazing.

srobert

Nov 6, 2002, 01:45 PM

How does one qualify for those rebates?

SilentPanda

Nov 6, 2002, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
Wow these prices are low... Any eligibility concerns that we should know about?

You most likely have to be a student and you have to join the ADC. The price for a student membership is $99. Since you're saving $600 off the high end powerbook it's totally worth it. The downside is that you can only make one ADC hardware purchase *per lifetime*. So unless you can reincarnate yourself quickly just remember you can only do it once. So if you're a student, join the Student ADC. If you successfully join that then you're on your way to a "cheap" powerbook! WOO HOO! That's what I'm aiming for anyhow. Stupid AppleCare Protection Program sucks up $350ish dollars though... dang...

dabirdwell

Nov 6, 2002, 01:48 PM

Accessories are discounted too! You can add an Airport base station for $239.

Not sure if you have to buy a membership, but even if you do, it's only $99 and the discount is still awesome.

SilentPanda

Nov 6, 2002, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by dabirdwell
Accessories are discounted too! You can add an Airport base station for $239.

Not sure if you have to buy a membership, but even if you do, it's only $99 and the discount is still awesome.

The discount is only awesome if you are a student. Non students have to pay $500 for a membership. I'd decide if you're going to save $500+ before you become a member if you aren't a student.

But for us students out there... join... it's only $99 and the savings are a lot more than that if you're buying any of the computers.

Multimedia

Nov 6, 2002, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by dukestreet
Nice, and my wife is looking to buy a new laptop - I just need to convince her that the TiPB with the SuperDrive is the way to go.....that's a nice machine - I wonder how hot it will run?

D :D

I wonder too. Notice the SuperDrive only burns at 1x which should be as cool and as slow a SuperDrive as we're ever going to get. But that's just one component. I read yesterday Apple is overhauling the cooling system in the next refresh slated for announcement at MacWorld SF 2003. But that seems like very soon for such a big change to the line that just got changed today. I'm sure glad they reached the GHz barrier while lowering the price below $3K with a SuperDrive. But a new cooling system with a variable speed bus is something I am willing to wait for. I guess it's Spring 2003 for me to finally take the PowerBook leap OR the iBook leap according to that refresh's specs.

The iBook looks great now. But I still think they will become a GHz G4 sometime in 2003. So I may wait for that as well. I'd say today's refreshes are almost perfect. Let's get some heat reports about these 1 GHz PowerBooks. That should tell us a lot. Any reprots on what G4 processor is in the PowerBooks and if they're inherently cooler than the last set?

srobert

Nov 6, 2002, 02:08 PM

Notice the ad playing on the desktop of the iBook.

That's in the "software" section oof the iBook page on Apple US.

http://www.apple.com/ibook/software.html

joe_camel_jr

Nov 6, 2002, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by dabirdwell

Not the education store, the ADC (Apple Developer Connection).

GO to http://connect.apple.com

Click membership programs.

Click Student Developer, click student diiscounts.

Scroll down a little and click ADC Student Program Hardware Discount.

Choose your country.

Click ADC Hardware Purchase Program Store.

Check it out.

how about for U.K student ADC pricing?? the above seems to be for U.S.....
i tried choosing U.K but it just goes back to the normal apple store.... are there no discounts for ADC members outside of U.S? or are the discounts not as much as for the U.S??:confused:

Griffindor73

Nov 6, 2002, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by BeyondCloister
Very nice indeed. Just such a shame that the entry level iBook will cost me $322 more in the UK and still no fully working Sherlock or iPhoto. :mad:

Almost makes it tempting to fly to the States to pick one up!

Um, the entry level iBook is £849, which is surely not that much of a difference?- Anyway ALL laptops are more expensive here!

And iPhoto works fine???? (I must admit I haven't really used Sherlock3 much-didn't look that great- hardly worth getting worked up about!)

I would be gutted as I got a new 700Mhz about 7 weeks ago, however, work paid for it so I'm not that bothered!

PS: If you added the cost of the flight it would cost you more! :-)

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 02:28 PM

Well, for all you saying that apple should update their laptops for the holiday season, they heard you.

Joswiak said Apple planned the introduction to try and boost holiday sales.
Source: click me (http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1040-964708.html?tag=fd_top)

"We're turning up the heat today by making the iBook and Powerbook more robust and more affordable," Greg Joswiak, Apple's vice president of hardware marketing, said in an interview. He noted that the new PowerBook was the first notebook with a slot-loading drive that can burn DVDs.

railthinner

Nov 6, 2002, 02:50 PM

Kid Red

Nov 6, 2002, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Chaszmyr

It is not, Sony beat Apple to it, but Sony is the only other company with a DVD burner in a notebook

Beat apple to including a DVD burner, but Apple is the first with a slot laoding DVD burner :)

bentmywookie

Nov 6, 2002, 02:52 PM

I am impressed with the new TiBooks (although now I can get two Ibooks for close to the same price - it's time to "switch" the whole family over)

However, does anyone know if the cases will be less scratch resistant. I remember reading a while back somewhere that the next rev. of powerbooks would be incorporating a new method by apple to do the cases so they wouldn't have scratching problems. but I may have read that on macosrumors.com so who knows.

if anyone knows though . . . enlighten me.

Kid Red

Nov 6, 2002, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by ljova.com
Those of you who are ordering this instant, you guys are Soo <i>premature</i>.

HOW do you invest $999-3,000 on a new product if you haven't read one review? Cnet? ZDnet? anyone? total silence.

There *are* real issues, and many of them.
1) Heating/cooling
2) What is this 1GHZ processor, who made it?
3) the new Superdrive and which formats it supports
4) Which OS does the new product run?
5) AIrport improvements
6) Why are there no more 5400RPM Harddrives for TiBooks.

Just think back to the day when Apple charged - what - $110? - for upgrading from X to X.1. And then make your decision.

I am waiting for reviews. Best of luck to you.

Jee, do you think Apple delayed the release until they were sure that the Republicans would rule the government? Just curious.

Best,

Ljova

Oh please. This is the 3rd rev so i think they know what they are doing :rolleyes:

1)It will be slightly warmer in the winter months. :rolleyes:
2)I don't know, I've never heard of a 1.ghz processor so i have no idea who could be behind any G4 chip :rolleyes:
3) It supports the same formats as any other superdrive :rolleyes:
4)Gee, it says OSX and 9 so I guess it runs any modern mac OS :rolleyes:
5) Ah, this was a PB speed update, not an Airport update :rolleyes:
6) Because the drives are 60 gigs now :rolleyes:

What does this PB update have to do with $110 for upgrading OS X? :rolleyes:

Yea, Apple runs it's business based by rich religious redneck republicans. :rolleyes:

------------------------------------

Anyways, wWHHWHWOOoOOWOWoOWow!!! I got my 1ghz PB baby with a gig of ram!! I don't need a superdrive, my dual gig and my wife's imac have one so i didn't need to get another one. Wow, so glad i waited! I wasn't expecting the major price reduction and surely wasn't expecting the 64 DDR 9000!! Of, and no one except POWERPAGE knew about the superdrive!!

Let's all email powerpage and ask about MWSF updates :) No one got the superdrive but ATAT but i;m sure Apple put out negative rumors to make it more secretive, so i don't fault ThinkSecret on that.

prefect

Nov 6, 2002, 03:22 PM

Just locked mine in!!!

Going to be a long 3-4 weeks!!!

1 GHz
1 Gig of RAM
SuperDrive
60 GB HDD
etc

All for $2300!!

woooo hoooo!! Glad I waited!

fuge

Nov 6, 2002, 03:30 PM

Yea, Apple runs it's business based by rich religious redneck republicans. :rolleyes:

excuse me as i veer off-topic for a moment...

That has to be one of the most ignorant remarks I've ever seen on these forums ...and there have been plenty. I'm not republican or democrat, I vote for the side that's right. :D

Be nicer to those who (now) rule over you. :D

chipchen

Nov 6, 2002, 03:31 PM

how did you do that? $2300?

eric_n_dfw

Nov 6, 2002, 03:48 PM

Before you all run out and take a pottery class at your local community college and expect to get 20% off you PowerBooks, read this:

Please be sure you are adhering to the Terms and Conditions before ordering. In addition, we request that students fax a copy of student identification AND proof of current class registration in developer-related courses. Apple reserves the right to refuse access to this offer by non-students and/or non-developers.[i]

AND, as someone else pointed out, you only get one purchase - EVER - under the student ADC discount. To get it again, you need to be a "Select" or better ADC member.

Mad Baggins

Nov 6, 2002, 03:58 PM

I too am curious about the heat and battery life. The 800 PB I saw in the bookstore was pretty darn hot underneath (left side), even though I don't think any apps except Finder etc. had been running for at least 5 minutes. Not only do the new PBs have a 1GHz processor, they also have the faster Radeon 9000 video cards, with more video RAM too. That all sounds like more heat and less battery life. The same issues apply to the new iBooks, with their faster CPUs and better video cards too. :(

bikertwin

Nov 6, 2002, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Kid Red

Oh please. This is the 3rd rev so i think they know what they are doing :rolleyes:

3) It supports the same formats as any other superdrive :rolleyes:

Doesn't look like it. Look at the specs on Apple's web site. Doesn't say anything about DVD-RW. Just DVD-R and CD-R/CD-RW.

[begin edit]
Oh, wait a sec. Apple never advertises the -RW part of DVD writing. So maybe it does do -RW. Does anyone know for sure? How would you know if they aren't shipping?
[end edit]

edenwaith

Nov 6, 2002, 04:22 PM

When I remembered that the new laptops were to be announced today, I immediately checked out Apple's web site. This is better than Christmas! Apple did pull off the Superdrive in the Ti! Yea! Also I just noticed that in the two higher end PB, they have 64 MB of video RAM. Sweet. Plus they lowered the prices down. I'd probably get myself the lower end PB...why do I have to pay rent?! How annoying!

iBooks don't look too shabby either. Great price and now the iBook I was looking at about a year ago is even more affordable with a 30GB HD and a CD-RW drive. :) I'd love to trade in my current iBook for the laptop I really wanted, but it will have to wait until I finally get out of school and get a real job. Also I'll have to score the 'real job' first, which is proving to be quite an interesting feat these days, but I hope my skills and education should at least open up a few doors so I can stick my foot in before they slam it shut. Ouch!

pgwalsh

Nov 6, 2002, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by mariner77
t now my decision is A LOT harder. You can say that again!

Mr T

Nov 6, 2002, 04:29 PM

Those of you who are ordering this instant, you guys are Soo <i>premature</i>.

HOW do you invest $999-3,000 on a new product if you haven't read one review? Cnet? ZDnet? anyone? total silence.

There *are* real issues, and many of them.
1) Heating/cooling
2) What is this 1GHZ processor, who made it?
3) the new Superdrive and which formats it supports
4) Which OS does the new product run?
5) AIrport improvements
6) Why are there no more 5400RPM Harddrives for TiBooks.
----------------------------------------------------
It is obvious that you know next to nothing about Macs. This information does not have to be researched as this revision of the Tibook is minor and you just have to use common sense:

1 - Apple has had 6 months to figure out how to make it run cooler so it should not be a problem (see 2)

2- Apple has two suppliers of Chips. IBM puts out the G3 which is used in consumer line of Macs, it is the slowest chip but is extremely power efficient. Motorola puts out the G4 which is used in high end Macs. This version of the G4 has been in trails at Apple for a while so it is not new technology.

3-The new superdrive is Panasonic - it is the sole supplier to Apple of Superdrives and has same capabilities as desktop models (except it is a little slower).

4- Apple public ally stated that computers would not be able to boot OS 9 starting in 2003. Last time I looked we are in 2002

5- There are no major airport improvements or they would have mentioned this in their press release. Airport reception was a problem a while back but subsequent improvements have been incorporated in the production line.

6- Call IBM (they have announced new faster drives that will be compatible with the Ti Book but it wont be available for two or three months.

___________________________

Me thinks you don't really know enough about the Ti Book to buy one. Rest assured it is considered one of the best portables ever made (see Forbes evaluation of the upgrade - they have had a prototype for a couple of weeks and are extremely impress

:cool:

Kid Red

Nov 6, 2002, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by bikertwin

Doesn't look like it. Look at the specs on Apple's web site. Doesn't say anything about DVD-RW. Just DVD-R and CD-R/CD-RW.

I guess you don't have one? It's widely known that the superdrive is DVD-RW just Apple doesn't support it and will not mention it.

It's been shipping since it debuted what 2 years ago? I have one in my dual gig, my wife in her iMac...admittingly, I've never RW a DVD yet, only burned 4 discs so far.

Kid Red

Nov 6, 2002, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by fuge

excuse me as i veer off-topic for a moment...

That has to be one of the most ignorant remarks I've ever seen on these forums ...and there have been plenty. I'm not republican or democrat, I vote for the side that's right. :D

Be nicer to those who (now) rule over you. :D

mm, nope, not ignorant, just observant. Yes, they own me now and I am a little scared about the next 2 years. It didn't take Bush but 1/2 year to kill the deficit surplus and now it's back to where it was.

edenwaith

Nov 6, 2002, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by bentmywookie

However, does anyone know if the cases will be less scratch resistant. I remember reading a while back somewhere that the next rev. of powerbooks would be incorporating a new method by apple to do the cases so they wouldn't have scratching problems. but I may have read that on macosrumors.com so who knows.

if anyone knows though . . . enlighten me.

From what I've heard, some of the latest versions of the PB were much better in being chip-resistant. I think it was the first version or two which chipped too easily.

But since I have never had a PB, I can't say from experience. Tried to swap my iBook for a PB, but the owner of the PB just wouldn't go for it.

And if idiotic U.S. politics are to be thrown in, perhaps Apple waited until today to avoid the media attention geared towards the elections.

alex_ant

Nov 6, 2002, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Kid Red
mm, nope, not ignorant, just observant. Yes, they own me now and I am a little scared about the next 2 years. It didn't take Bush but 1/2 year to kill the deficit surplus and now it's back to where it was.
A deficit surplus? What is that, a surplus of deficits?

eric_n_dfw

Nov 6, 2002, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by alex_ant

A deficit surplus? What is that, a surplus of deficits?
Let's try to stay on topic, please!

(lest Arn will have to bring the hammer down on this thread like a week or two ago)

longday

Nov 6, 2002, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
Before you all run out and take a pottery class at your local community college and expect to get 20% off you PowerBooks, read this:

[i]

AND, as someone else pointed out, you only get one purchase - EVER - under the student ADC discount. To get it again, you need to be a "Select" or better ADC member.

Before YOU drop hella attitude I suggest you check with someone who's actually done this before, and I can tell you that it is painless. They just requested my student ID number, and wether or not you're in any classes at the time didn't matter when I did this discount earlier this year.

Mr.Hey

Nov 6, 2002, 04:54 PM

Hehehe I like this new SJ...stick it to the man steve.
Tomorrow is Microsoft's big day. In case you've missed it, the tablet PC--that odd combination of a desktop PC, a notebook PC and an overgrown personal digital assistant--is making its big debut on Nov. 7. http://forbes.com/home/2002/11/06/cx_ah_1106tentech.html (Forbes.com)

scem0

Nov 6, 2002, 05:04 PM

that was a very nice update. Too bad apple can't update all their hardware this well more often. If I was a millionare I would buy a couple :D:D:D.

ColinB

Nov 6, 2002, 05:32 PM

Hi everyone... newbie here. Just about to switch from 100MHz 486 (!) to a 1GHz PowerBook. Anyone think I will notice the difference ? :-)

Anyhow, just checked the old (pre-Nov 5th) PDF document for PB specs and the new equivalent.

Old battery was claimed to be "55.3 watt-hour lithium-ion battery...".

New battery is claimed to be "61 watt-hour lithium-ion battery...".

and there's a 9 pound hike in the spare battery cost here in the UK

ColinB

sparkleytone

Nov 6, 2002, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Kid Red

mm, nope, not ignorant, just observant. Yes, they own me now and I am a little scared about the next 2 years. It didn't take Bush but 1/2 year to kill the deficit surplus and now it's back to where it was.

im sorry, but did you just say deficit surplus ???? what the holy hell is that?

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by ColinB
Old battery was claimed to be "55.3 watt-hour lithium-ion battery...".

New battery is claimed to be "61 watt-hour lithium-ion battery...".

How ironic, I just compared the two pdfs right before I logged on...

So does this mean if the newer battery was put into an older model, they you could run the older model (say the 667 MHz) for 6, 7, maybe 8 hours? Now that'd be cool.

Take notice: The 5 hour runtime refers to the 867 MHz in "ideal" conditions...the 1 GHz in normal conditions will probably only last 3-4 hours at most.

joelc73

Nov 6, 2002, 05:51 PM

joelc73

Nov 6, 2002, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by prefect
Just locked mine in!!!

Going to be a long 3-4 weeks!!!

1 GHz
1 Gig of RAM
SuperDrive
60 GB HDD
etc

All for $2300!!

woooo hoooo!! Glad I waited!

How did you do that for $2300? Even with a student discount it's a bit more than that.

UnixMac

Nov 6, 2002, 05:57 PM

Compusa tell me they allread have the ibooks and expect the PBs in with in a "week or two"

Wow! I wonder if Apple is gonna surprise a bunch of people with PB's at their door sooner than they thought!

BTW Clinton left office with this economy in a downward spiral, and 9/11 didn't help things much, so don't blame Dubya.....he's doing everything (except Iraq) right!

ibigo

Nov 6, 2002, 06:14 PM

hello, newbie to the forum here...

anyone have an opinion on buying new the 1ghz pb's from the apple store versus online retailers? any particularly good deals out there for non-students? i see macmall and mac connection seem to be including things like printers, cases and extra batteries... what are the incentives for buying directly from the apple store?

cheers.

Hawthorne

Nov 6, 2002, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by joelc73

How did you do that for $2300? Even with a student discount it's a bit more than that.

Apple student developer price. It's quite breathtaking, but you can only buy one that low, ever. Check out the develpor link at Apple for more details.

Now excuse me as I go wipe off the drool from my keyboard :D .

MacBandit

Nov 6, 2002, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by katchow

the 14 in. iBooks have always touted 6 hr. battery lifes unless i'm mistaken...thanks for the "real input"...jes' kiddin

Apple Rules! Go Apple!

Why would an iBook with a larger screen have lower power consumption?

edit: sorry I guess this was explained in a later post. The 14" iBook is larger and has room for a larger battery thus longer battery life.

MacBandit

Nov 6, 2002, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by sparkleytone

i feel that...i was so happy i almost cried too.

errrm...so buy more ram...512MB of notebook memory is < $100. BFD.

hey screw you buddy. if we want to gush over our favorite company so be it...you dont like it, dont read it. for me its a breath of fresh air after all the negativity flying around for the past couple months.

I agree totally but I have been ragged for doing just the same thing. It is considered spam to simply reply hooray and not add input. It's fine for a couple people to do it but when the next 50 replies are basically just a three word agreement. There's just no need for that.

MacBandit

Nov 6, 2002, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by bigjohn
Wow, a 1x superdrive just as the 2x drives are hitting market - a real selling point would've been to have a 2x superdrive in the PB. that way, you stay ahead of the curve... which in the area of optical drives, apple has not done forever

It would suck more power and create more heat. If Apple has created a Powerbook that can burn a DVD on battery power alone they are already ahead of the curve. The Sony laptps with DVD burner need to be plugged in to burn.

Macmaniac

Nov 6, 2002, 06:47 PM

This is totally awsome!! I hope I can convince the head of my schools AV department to buy a TiBook with a super drive for on the go video editing:) Even my die hard PC friends will be drooling over DVDs that can be burned on a laptop and 7.4 gigaflops is another great number:) Now finally I can afford an iBook with a big screen and fat graphics card:)
I just had a feeling that those Apple engineers could find a way to make the superdrive fit.

How did they get the new iBooks to use less power?

MacBandit

Nov 6, 2002, 06:50 PM

DELETED: Bad post answered by reading all previous posts.

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
I wonder what the difference is. This is all USD and I'm in Oregon so there is no sales tax.

It depends on the school. I personally know that my prices are a tad lower than the regular store. And the colleges in CA seem to have the best prices of all;)

Oregon has no sales tax? Thats nice...that money must be coming from somewhere tho'.

DavPeanut

Nov 6, 2002, 08:02 PM

I'm in high school and I got one of those 600 Mhz iBooks in August, though it was for 1080. Now I could get, for 220 more, an 800 with a combo, 32 MB video, and 10 extra gigs.

Oh well, I can get a 6 Ghz G6 when I go to college

friendlyghost

Nov 6, 2002, 08:19 PM

This is great, but no Bluetooth? Come on!
This is hardly an elegent solution:
A stick of gum protruding from your laptop (http://a1728.g.akamai.net/7/1728/51/6fb84726359a6d/www.apple.com/bluetooth/images/howitworks11052002.jpg)

axehat

Nov 6, 2002, 09:18 PM

I had ordered my PowerBook two weeks ago. They sent me a message Monday saying it wouldn't get here until December. What they were really doing is stalling me to make me get the new ones. Well, I did, and still saved 300 dollars. Way to go Apple. You are the winbest. Can't wait till it comes in.

moo083

Nov 6, 2002, 10:09 PM

First off....I think due to the thing about them coming in Mid November, I think we'll see them sooner than you think.

Secondly, I am a college student, and ordered mine today at 8:30. I've been walking around campus today and all my friends were like, what are you so excited about? I guess they didn't like the answer because they either gave me a wierd look or told me I was a nerd. I think its funny. Yeah, I'm a total nerd, but so is everyone who would post to a BB like this. And a proud nerd at that!

This is my first portable (unless you include my iPod and Visor Prism), but, unfortunately, not much of a wireless network on campus, but I think this will be a pimped out PB. The 1 Ghz and the 1Gb ram (not too hard to afford with the $40 double your memory deal).

Also, I didn't think any of that guy's questions were relevant except the Airport one. He was not asking about Airport 802.11g. He was talking about antenna for whoever it was that said it wasn't a airport upgrade.

Luckily, I was one of those people who stayed on track, so to speak, and never lost faith in Apple. Granted, they overdid what I was expecting, but only in one field: The Graphics Card.

On an unrelated topic: YOu would not believe how heavy eMacs get after the 20th one when you are lifting them. My job as Mac Tech at UCSC is anything but the steriotyped image of a lazy computer guy stratching his @$$ while staring at his screen and not moving for hours. :)

scem0

Nov 6, 2002, 10:18 PM

Does it have that feature with the name that I forgot, that saves battery life :p ? I forgot what it is called, but it monitors how much of the system resources are being used, and then it assignes that much resources, and doesn't use the rest, and in turn it saves battery life. It was something like that. Do the new tiBooks and iBooks have it?

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by scem0
Does it have that feature with the name that I forgot, that saves battery life :p ? I forgot what it is called, but it monitors how much of the system resources are being used, and then it assignes that much resources, and doesn't use the rest, and in turn it saves battery life. It was something like that. Do the new tiBooks and iBooks have it?

Variable bus timing, right? Then the answer is no, not yet

scem0

Nov 6, 2002, 10:41 PM

Yeah, that was what I was talking about. I posted the question in the varaible bus timing thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13912). Thanks for answering so promptly!

bentmywookie

Nov 6, 2002, 10:43 PM

I just wanted an opinion from people who have used the TiBooks with the mobility 7500. Do you think this chip will help make the IBook less sluggish in Jaguar? In general, I'm curious as to whether or not these new Ibooks will be able to run jaguar nice and smoothly with no sluggishness. any thoughts and opinions are appreciated.

pnz999

Nov 6, 2002, 10:47 PM

when do u think apple will re-design their laptop, iBook and PowerBook? it has been 2 years now, since Apple introduce this "design" for ice dual iBook

bretm

Nov 6, 2002, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Over Achiever

Yeah, the slits have been there since the 500 MHz Ti-books ;)

My 400mhz TiBook has the slots. Airport reception sucks compared to my buddy's Pismo.

vixapphire

Nov 6, 2002, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Over Achiever

How ironic, I just compared the two pdfs right before I logged on...

So does this mean if the newer battery was put into an older model, they you could run the older model (say the 667 MHz) for 6, 7, maybe 8 hours? Now that'd be cool.

Take notice: The 5 hour runtime refers to the 867 MHz in "ideal" conditions...the 1 GHz in normal conditions will probably only last 3-4 hours at most.

funny, i have a now-ancient pentium 266 (with "mmx"!) laptop with a 14" screen (one of the first with said screensize) and a battery that weighs in like Tyson and it gets me at best around 1.75 hours... 3 to 4 hours in something as handsome and light as the new pb is really pretty impressive, considering the power of the thing.

Over Achiever

Nov 6, 2002, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by vixapphire
funny, i have a now-ancient pentium 266 (with "mmx"!) laptop with a 14" screen (one of the first with said screensize) and a battery that weighs in like Tyson and it gets me at best around 1.75 hours... 3 to 4 hours in something as handsome and light as the new pb is really pretty impressive, considering the power of the thing.
I know how you feel. My 550 MHz AMD-K6-II barely gets over an hour of light use...less than 20 minutes at full CPU! So yeah, funny how technology changes...

Anyway, has anyone ever put a battery intended for a newer powerbook into an older, slower one? I'd imagine the battery life would go over the 5 hours apple expects...

bretm

Nov 6, 2002, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by ibigo
hello, newbie to the forum here...

anyone have an opinion on buying new the 1ghz pb's from the apple store versus online retailers? any particularly good deals out there for non-students? i see macmall and mac connection seem to be including things like printers, cases and extra batteries... what are the incentives for buying directly from the apple store?

cheers.

None. Absolutely none. Have you ever seen it be cheaper to buy directly from the manufacturer than on of it's retailers?

Let's not forget that MacMall, ClubMac, etc. also doesn't charge you sales tax. And they sometiems throw in triple the ram for free. Many many extras.

And many people don't realize you can call them on the phone and haggle on top of all that... "hey man, I'm gettin all this stuff... can you throw in Norton?" Doesn't always work, but sometimes. If I know people make a commission, sometimes I just cut to the chase and ask flat out "Hi, I'm prepared to buy the new Powerbook from you right now. What's the best price you gave give me?"

shadowfax

Nov 6, 2002, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by bentmywookie
I just wanted an opinion from people who have used the TiBooks with the mobility 7500. Do you think this chip will help make the IBook less sluggish in Jaguar? In general, I'm curious as to whether or not these new Ibooks will be able to run jaguar nice and smoothly with no sluggishness. any thoughts and opinions are appreciated.

the mobility 7500 with 32 MB is an awesome deal for an iBook. it's dated for a powerbook, but i promise you won't complain any with the Quartz extreme perfromance. it should be a dramatic improvement over the previous iBook's videao processor. in fact, it's not much worse than the 9000. don't worry at all:)

not that i have any real experience but in-store with the "old" powerbooks & radeon 7500, but... i think my opinion is valid. i was really surprised apple put them in iBooks even now-- they aren't economy laptop video processors.

bretm

Nov 6, 2002, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Over Achiever

I know how you feel. My 550 MHz AMD-K6-II barely gets over an hour of light use...less than 20 minutes at full CPU! So yeah, funny how technology changes...

Anyway, has anyone ever put a battery intended for a newer powerbook into an older, slower one? I'd imagine the battery life would go over the 5 hours apple expects...

If you want full battery life that they advertise you'll have to do a few things. #1 run OS9 instead of X. X lessens the life by about a half an hour. Why I don't know.

#2 Run your screen at it's dimmest.

#3 Scale the processor speed back in energy saver. On my 400mhz PB I did an AE test at the slower processor speed. It rendered the same speed as a 604e running 300mhz. I had just gotten my PB at the time and wanted to see how fast it was. I was quite irritated until I realized it was using the slow processor speed because it was on battery!

With all those things done the longest estimate my PB EVER showed me in the battery life clock was just over 4 hours. In OSX, running normally with a full screen I get 2 hours. When it gets down to a few minutes I can dim the screen and grab an extra10-20 minutes.

You can bet that when Apple did the tests to get the 5 hour result they did all the above and probably some other trick like turn off all the extensions, make the desktop black (there's a thought!) and then lie a little.

MacBandit

Nov 6, 2002, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Over Achiever

It depends on the school. I personally know that my prices are a tad lower than the regular store. And the colleges in CA seem to have the best prices of all;)

Oregon has no sales tax? Thats nice...that money must be coming from somewhere tho'.

Yeah from property and income tax. :mad:

I was confused about the prices because at the time I didn't realize they were not normal student prices they were student developer prices.

MacBandit

Nov 6, 2002, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by scem0
Does it have that feature with the name that I forgot, that saves battery life :p ? I forgot what it is called, but it monitors how much of the system resources are being used, and then it assignes that much resources, and doesn't use the rest, and in turn it saves battery life. It was something like that. Do the new tiBooks and iBooks have it?

Yes and no. They have had variable cpu timing for years. What the current thing is is variable bus timing. So in affect it will control the entire system rather than just the CPU. This will hopefully save even more power.

vixapphire

Nov 7, 2002, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by bretm

If you want full battery life that they advertise you'll have to do a few things. #1 run OS9 instead of X. X lessens the life by about a half an hour. Why I don't know.

#2 Run your screen at it's dimmest.

#3 Scale the processor speed back in energy saver. On my 400mhz PB I did an AE test at the slower processor speed. It rendered the same speed as a 604e running 300mhz. I had just gotten my PB at the time and wanted to see how fast it was. I was quite irritated until I realized it was using the slow processor speed because it was on battery!

With all those things done the longest estimate my PB EVER showed me in the battery life clock was just over 4 hours. In OSX, running normally with a full screen I get 2 hours. When it gets down to a few minutes I can dim the screen and grab an extra10-20 minutes.

You can bet that when Apple did the tests to get the 5 hour result they did all the above and probably some other trick like turn off all the extensions, make the desktop black (there's a thought!) and then lie a little.

that's some very interesting info, and quite useful.

on the last point, though, wouldn't it actually require more energy to make the desktop black because the computer would be 'activating' (or whatever) the liquid crystal display's surface to make it black, which requires more energy than leaving it blank/white? just a thought.

designpro

Nov 7, 2002, 01:04 AM

what a surprise move by apple aint it? I love it but only for one thing...
i got home from work and eagerly went to the apple store in costa mesa, ca. was going to buy the 867TiBook with double the ram and everything. only to find out from the saleswoman that if i want to double the ram and subtract the $60 installation fee, then i'd have to buy $350/3years of apple care...
this is my first time try buying anything from the Apple store and when i heard of that, everything just went up in the air.
i mean it's great to have apple care and all but dont make me buy it to waive the installation charge.(its not the case if you order it online thru apple, which will ship within 3-5 days compare to the 1-2days early this release-morning)
pretty bumped-out, but i think i'll order it from clubmac or somewhere along that line where you can get 768MB of RAM at $2333,99(?), only thing is that i have to wait for it instead of instantly at apple store. oh well.

MacBandit

Nov 7, 2002, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by vixapphire

that's some very interesting info, and quite useful.

on the last point, though, wouldn't it actually require more energy to make the desktop black because the computer would be 'activating' (or whatever) the liquid crystal display's surface to make it black, which requires more energy than leaving it blank/white? just a thought.

I don't think the LCD would require more power with either choice. The power savings comes with the lack of processing needed to draw a solid color.

Arch_mac

Nov 7, 2002, 01:05 AM

I ordered my PB....yes. I needed mine for school and I am getting into rough areas without it right now. I couldn't wait for the 3-4 weeks. So I ordered the custom setup without the superdrive so that I can get it in 5-7 days. Besides, it was what I could afford with all that tax added on.

Best part of it all. I called apple to see if the 3-4 weeks was firm and told him I wasn't ready to make my mind up and he gave me an extra 75 dollars off my buy. So I got the custom PB, apple care, and the Kensington MicroSaver Security System for 2967.95. With tax it was 3,160.87. Promotional savings of 317.00. That was all I could afford. So even if I wanted the superdrive..I couldn't pull it right now. Oh I am a student as well. So call them on the phone, they may just hook you up a little more than online.

robguz

Nov 7, 2002, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by pnz999
when do u think apple will re-design their laptop, iBook and PowerBook? it has been 2 years now, since Apple introduce this "design" for ice dual iBook

Almost, but not quite. The ibook came out in April or may of 01, so just barely 18 months old. The Ti came out in Jan 01 with many not actually getting them until Feb 02 so still shy of 2 years. They are both among the best designs Apple has ever produced and I believe still have some life in them. I think if subsequent updates add bluetooth, USB2, Firewire2, better and faster optical drives and such, better battery technology-the basic case doesn't have to change much and the macs will still be able to keep up with all the new technologies.

irmongoose

Nov 7, 2002, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by robguz
...The Ti came out in Jan 01 with many not actually getting them until Feb 02...

Feb 02??? What the ****** are you smokin??

(or perharps, it's a typo... I do hope so...)

irmongoose

User X

Nov 7, 2002, 07:21 AM

Did any body notice that the superdrive only burns dvd's at 1x speed? I wonder why they couldn't incorperate the 2x version...maybee heat or size issues...oh well still very cool.

UnixMac

Nov 7, 2002, 08:30 AM

If I install the IBM 40GB GNX, and boot the PB, what will I get?? Does it then que you to install OS 9/X????

Don't want to go down this road with out a road map..........

Also, do you think apple went with 4200RPM for heat issues?

Postal

Nov 7, 2002, 08:40 AM

User X:

You're right, it's just the nature of the technology at the moment. I would suppose that it's just the necessity of squeezing in the appropriate read/write head(s) into not just a portable form, but a slot-loading portable form.

It's not going to be a rocket, but there are undoubtedly many people (especially in southern California!) who would love the ability to shoot video footage, edit it if necessary, and then burn a copy of it before even returning to the office. It's a bit of a pain that it would take as much time to burn the footage to DVD as it would to play it all back, but before DVD-R laptops it wasn't even an option.

Me, I'd be quite content with a Combo drive. I'm more likely to burn my fingers while lighting a candle than to burn a DVD. :p

mr evil brkfast

Nov 7, 2002, 08:58 AM

Pleasantly surprised that the powerbook specs were bumped in both models. I really thought that Apple might wimp out with bumps to 800 and 933 with no superdrive.

The ibooks were pretty much as predicted but are a much better deal than they were before. For $300 dollars less Canadian I can get a model that has 16mb better graphic card, a 100mhz boost and a 10G larger hard drive. The combo drive looks like it has better specs too- am I wrong about that? Hopefully for non-altivec applications it will run close to the old 800 PB.

My order is in!

Theta138

Nov 7, 2002, 09:09 AM

Anyone notice the prices for the ADC members gone way up?

ncbill

Nov 7, 2002, 09:21 AM

ATI's website has the 7500 Mobility 2.5x than the original Mobility
(9000 is rated at 3.5x faster)

Originally posted by bentmywookie
I just wanted an opinion from people who have used the TiBooks with the mobility 7500. Do you think this chip will help make the IBook less sluggish in Jaguar? In general, I'm curious as to whether or not these new Ibooks will be able to run jaguar nice and smoothly with no sluggishness. any thoughts and opinions are appreciated.

ncbill

Nov 7, 2002, 09:26 AM

Plus when you go through ebates.com (register first) you'll find that many of the below vendors also get you a 2% rebate through ebates.

Originally posted by bretm

None. Absolutely none. Have you ever seen it be cheaper to buy directly from the manufacturer than on of it's retailers?

Let's not forget that MacMall, ClubMac, etc. also doesn't charge you sales tax. And they sometiems throw in triple the ram for free. Many many extras.

And many people don't realize you can call them on the phone and haggle on top of all that... "hey man, I'm gettin all this stuff... can you throw in Norton?" Doesn't always work, but sometimes. If I know people make a commission, sometimes I just cut to the chase and ask flat out "Hi, I'm prepared to buy the new Powerbook from you right now. What's the best price you gave give me?"

eric_n_dfw

Nov 7, 2002, 09:36 AM

von mac

Nov 7, 2002, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by prefect
Just locked mine in!!!

Going to be a long 3-4 weeks!!!

1 GHz
1 Gig of RAM
SuperDrive
60 GB HDD
etc

All for $2300!!

woooo hoooo!! Glad I waited!

How the heck'd you get that price? Just bought the exact same config via apple.com last night and paid $3000 plus $250. in sales tax (which, unlike tax-free macmall doesn't come up until you click purchase)

warlock

Nov 7, 2002, 03:18 PM

Personally i'm a little suspicious that the discount on the top end Powerbook is a mistake:

the prices listed for the 3 Ti models are:

$1,839, $2,799 and $2,399.

Whilst putting in the order, i got a price of $2,999 on the next page, but it then shows $2,399 on the final screen, but if you select the memory upgrade the 2,399 jumps up to 2,999, and stays there.

So i've ordered it without the upgrade and i'm currently waiting for apple to call me back about it.

Theta138

Nov 7, 2002, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by warlock
Personally i'm a little suspicious that the discount on the top end Powerbook is a mistake:

the prices listed for the 3 Ti models are:

$1,839, $2,799 and $2,399.

Whilst putting in the order, i got a price of $2,999 on the next page, but it then shows $2,399 on the final screen, but if you select the memory upgrade the 2,399 jumps up to 2,999, and stays there.

So i've ordered it without the upgrade and i'm currently waiting for apple to call me back about it.

The high-end price is correct ($2399). It shouldn't change though. The moddle-end price is the one that is really wrong. Just yesterday is was barely above $2000.

WasteGate

Nov 7, 2002, 04:27 PM

This is my first post, good news for me is I'll be switching back to a mac (havn't used one since my quadra 610), but one thing I noticed on the Ti Book specs is at http://www.apple.com.au/powerbook/graphics.html down the bottom right corner it says "Quake performance:
3D games push the graphics processing unit harder than any other application. And of these 3D games, Quake performance has come to be the benchmark against which all graphics processors are measured. So you’ll be pleased to hear that when playing the Quake III Arena version 1.30, in millions of colours, at 1024x768 resolution, the 1GHz PowerBook G4 blazes away at a scorching 76 frames per second".

Thats not scorching especially for a Radeon 9000 with 64Mb.
I have been holding off buying a Ti Book for 6 months waiting for this beast to come along and I'm sure that this was the same score for the older model with the Radeon 7500 32Mb.
Any thoughts?

npongratz

Nov 7, 2002, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by warlock
Personally i'm a little suspicious that the discount on the top end Powerbook is a mistake:

the prices listed for the 3 Ti models are:

$1,839, $2,799 and $2,399.

Whilst putting in the order, i got a price of $2,999 on the next page, but it then shows $2,399 on the final screen, but if you select the memory upgrade the 2,399 jumps up to 2,999, and stays there.

So i've ordered it without the upgrade and i'm currently waiting for apple to call me back about it.

Yeah, I was suspicious too, so I called Apple and asked them about the price irregularities. They said that they're having a problem with the powerbook section of the store, and things will allegedly be fixed by the end of today (11-7-02). Hopefully their "fix" isn't an increase in the price!

Just thought y'all might like to know.

shadowfax

Nov 7, 2002, 05:04 PM

sorry WasteGate, that's how it is. the 9000 isn't THAT much faster than the 7500 , and the rating with the 7500 was 71 frames per second optimally, according to the articles i have read. i don't think the 3d engine on the 9000 is that much better, it just adds some features, and probably runs better on other areas like antialiasing. all in all though, it's the fastest on the market, if not by much, and i am sure the 64 MB DDR will help in other places.

sorry about that Npongratz, i don't know how the heck i managed to respond to the post of the guy before you and use your name..... i'm getting far to careless lol.

Theta138

Nov 7, 2002, 05:50 PM

Thanks, npongratz. I appreciate the update. :)

Telomar

Nov 7, 2002, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by longday

Before YOU drop hella attitude I suggest you check with someone who's actually done this before, and I can tell you that it is painless. They just requested my student ID number, and wether or not you're in any classes at the time didn't matter when I did this discount earlier this year. Then you lucked out. Normally they will ask for a transcript or some other evidence when you try to actually buy the hardware.

Apple has the right to ask for proof and have done previously so all the guy was doing is warning them.

Edit: Just in case you don't believe Apple wants proof from the developer site itself.

Please be sure you are adhering to the Terms and Conditions before ordering. In addition, we request that students fax a copy of student identification AND proof of current class registration in developer-related courses. Apple reserves the right to refuse access to this offer by non-students and/or non-developers.

You can thank someone else for that added bit over here. (http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001687) I just borrowed it from their thread :p

barkmonster

Nov 7, 2002, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by BeyondCloister
Just such a shame that the entry level iBook will cost me $322 more in the UK

blame _your_ government!

That is the dumbest comment I've ever read.

It's not our government that's overcharging us, we expect to pay 17.5% V.A.T. (sales tax) on every luxury item we buy, it's the fact that before the V.A.T. is even added Apple are charging us $3,249.99 for the high end TiBook, that's direct from the FT currency converter and it's quite a bit more than the $2,999.00 it costs in the US.

Either way, £170 or $200 more for the superdrive and doubling the RAM to 1Gb is very good value as far as the high end model is concerned. It's just a shame Apple (NOT our government) are screwing us on the price.

UnixMac

Nov 7, 2002, 07:38 PM

My CompUSA guy just told me that I could be getting mine as soon as two weeks. He said that his Apple man at corporate said that (as with OS X, and the Duel Processor 1.25Ghz G4's) they will likely have theirs before Apple ships to their customers. He said that basically, they are viewed as a very big customer and as such, get their stuff ASAP.

I hope he's right, cause I'm chompin at the bit for this thing!

He also, had 4 tablet PC's there on hold for some customers and said that the one they took out to display as already crashed....they are trying to figure out why the screen doesn't respond to any touch.

As for the GNX 40G, I called Apple and asked a tech if it was a heat issue that kept them out, and he said that it was pure cost, and to go ahead and drop in any drive I want.

Multimedia

Nov 7, 2002, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by WanaPBnow
My CompUSA guy just told me that I could be getting mine as soon as two weeks. He said that his Apple man at corporate said that (as with OS X, and the Duel Processor 1.25Ghz G4's) they will likely have theirs before Apple ships to their customers. He said that basically, they are viewed as a very big customer and as such, get their stuff ASAP.

I hope he's right, cause I'm chompin at the bit for this thing!

What "thing"? You are completely unclear about what it is you are talking about. iBook which one or PowerBook which one?

Please.

UnixMac

Nov 7, 2002, 08:40 PM

Sorry, I made the assumption that people would read my signature....and deduce it. My bad.

I am expecting a 1.0Ghz Superdrive PB they are due "with-in two weeks" at their store. As for the ibooks, they are already there!

robguz

Nov 7, 2002, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by WasteGate
This is my first post, good news for me is I'll be switching back to a mac (havn't used one since my quadra 610), but one thing I noticed on the Ti Book specs is at http://www.apple.com.au/powerbook/graphics.html down the bottom right corner it says "Quake performance:
3D games push the graphics processing unit harder than any other application. And of these 3D games, Quake performance has come to be the benchmark against which all graphics processors are measured. So you’ll be pleased to hear that when playing the Quake III Arena version 1.30, in millions of colours, at 1024x768 resolution, the 1GHz PowerBook G4 blazes away at a scorching 76 frames per second".

Thats not scorching especially for a Radeon 9000 with 64Mb.
I have been holding off buying a Ti Book for 6 months waiting for this beast to come along and I'm sure that this was the same score for the older model with the Radeon 7500 32Mb.
Any thoughts?

Well, 1.32 is out, maybe that would boost it further. Still not bad for a portable. Sure better than the Radeon 16MB of just 7 months ago.

robguz

Nov 7, 2002, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by barkmonster

That is the dumbest comment I've ever read.

It's not our government that's overcharging us, we expect to pay 17.5% V.A.T. (sales tax) on every luxury item we buy, it's the fact that before the V.A.T. is even added Apple are charging us $3,249.99 for the high end TiBook, that's direct from the FT currency converter and it's quite a bit more than the $2,999.00 it costs in the US.
... It's just a shame Apple (NOT our government) are screwing us on the price.

I totally agree. Apple's sales figures are even worse in Europe. You'd think they'd actually drop the price a bit to compensate given the VAT. Unfortunately Apple has already treated non-US markets as somewhat of an afterthought, though I think with OSX and it's multi-lingual abilities built in, some of the product delays aren't as bad as they used to be. Go to Apple's feedback pages and tell them what you think. Tell them you'd spend more and buy more frequently if they didn't jack upthe prices, which while less profit per machine would result in greater sales and more total profit.

npongratz

Nov 8, 2002, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by npongratz

Yeah, I was suspicious too, so I called Apple and asked them about the price irregularities. They said that they're having a problem with the powerbook section of the store, and things will allegedly be fixed by the end of today (11-7-02). Hopefully their "fix" isn't an increase in the price!

Just thought y'all might like to know.

The ADC online store now seems fixed (keeping the prices as low as they were yesterday), and I have just purchased my first mac! With the ADC student developer discount I was able to get the absolute top-of-the-line powerbook for only $2379:

1GHz PowerPC G4
1GB SDRAM - 2 DIMMs
60GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
AirPort Card

What a deal!

WasteGate

Nov 8, 2002, 05:03 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shadowfax
[B]sorry WasteGate, that's how it is. the 9000 isn't THAT much faster than the 7500 , and the rating with the 7500 was 71 frames per second optimally, according to the articles i have read. i don't think the 3d engine on the 9000 is that much better, it just adds some features, and probably runs better on other areas like antialiasing. all in all though, it's the fastest on the market, if not by much, and i am sure the 64 MB DDR will help in other places.

But I wonder if Id is going to release Doom III for the mac, if so this should show all the eye candy.
Not that I'm buying this baby exclusivley to play games on, thx anyway for that.

UnixMac

Nov 8, 2002, 07:49 AM

Those frame rates on the PB have got to be wrong, cause to be wrong.... I'll bet Apple didn't use the proper demo or something. I have to think it can get 100fps easy if benched right......lets wait for barefeets...

On a side note, Jiust got Max Payne last nite......runs great on my 500mhz DP, I don't know if it's multiprocessor aware, but I have the graphics all maxed out, and running at 800X600, and its about 35-40 fps...

lelereb

Nov 8, 2002, 09:24 AM

PowerBook Superdrive burns DVD-RW?

lmalave

Nov 8, 2002, 11:32 AM

Hooray!!!

I had been thinking about making the switch to Mac for a while now, and the new iBooks sealed the deal. I am not a power graphics user, so the mid-range iBook is perfect. 800 MHz iBook I bought is replacing a 600MHz Pentium III Dell Inspiron 5000. Though the 2-year old Inspiron performs quite well (MHz is sooooooooo overrated, nobody needs all these high-powered machines unless they are gamers or pro graphics users), but I am literally holding the Dell together with duct tape - the cheap case has cracks everywhere after only 2 years. Plus the underside of the Dell gets so hot it has literally burned me, and only gets about 2 hrs battery life. Compare this to the iBook with its rugged case and cool-running G3 CPU. The main difference, though, is the OS. I'm a longtime Unix geek since my college days and can't wait to have a laptop running Unix natively that can still run Office apps, work easily with peripherals, etc. I hope people can appreciate what Apple has managed to do. Pulling off a low-priced, easy-to-use, consumer-ready Unix machine is a small miracle, if you ask me.

GO APPLE! I'm never going back to Windoze!

Over Achiever

Nov 8, 2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by lelereb
PowerBook Superdrive burns DVD-RW?

Yes it does. Its just that the iDVD software doesn't officially support DVD-RW, so they don't mention it. There are ways to get around it. Go through the support forums for iDVD, you find various tricks.

Go here for the forums (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@100.UfbYay3Hfq7.6@.eebeb28).

Some relevant discussions...
How to write onto DVD-RW media (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?13@100.UfbYay3Hfq7.14@.3bbb9ff1)
Erasing your DVD-RW media (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@100.UfbYay3Hfq7.8@.3bbbc782)
So take a look around the support forum...you'll find a lot of answers there.

atomwork

Nov 8, 2002, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by backspinner

blame _your_ government!

guys... Even back in Germany the prices are higher. But don't foget that we all have to pay tax on the US products when we buy them in a store. I am not sure if there is local and states tax there and its from state to state different. So the 17 % Tax in Europe will almost be there to after tax here.

However you don't pay tax when you buy it over macwarehouse.com or other internet seller. Apple.com still have tax:(

bkassing

Nov 9, 2002, 10:14 PM

The Apple store lists a 1ghz models with the combo drive for $200 less than the superdrive. None of the other vendors seem to offer this configuration at the 1ghz level. I don't really see why I want a superdrive. I don't anticipate burning dvds anytime soon and when I do, want an external. Can somebody enlighten me as to why I'd want a superdrive?

I guess what it comes down to is that the apple store charges tax. So a 1ghz at 2799 plus tax comes to 2999. Buying from a vendor without tax gives me a superdrive for the same price I get the combo drive. And the combo drive powerbook is available now and not in 3-4 weeks.

How big a risk that the superdrive will suck because it's new for powerbooks?

Multimedia

Nov 9, 2002, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by bkassing
The Apple store lists a 1ghz models with the combo drive for $200 less than the superdrive. None of the other vendors seem to offer this configuration at the 1ghz level. I don't really see why I want a superdrive. I don't anticipate burning dvds anytime soon and when I do, want an external. Can somebody enlighten me as to why I'd want a superdrive?

I guess what it comes down to is that the apple store charges tax. So a 1ghz at 2799 plus tax comes to 2999. Buying from a vendor without tax gives me a superdrive for the same price I get the combo drive. And the combo drive powerbook is available now and not in 3-4 weeks.

How big a risk that the superdrive will suck because it's new for powerbooks?

Well when you are ready to spend that much money, you might as well get the SuperDrive. Think of it as a way to have a spare 4.5 GB hard drive. With Toast you can write to it in multiple sessions Ñ even rewrite to a rewriteable dvd. It's like having 6 CDs on one platter. Apple isn't likely to offer their first Portable's Internal SuperDrive with something they haven't tested extensively to their satisfaction. I wouldn't worry about it sucking.

It only writes CDRs @ 8X. But you may regret not getting it later and it might not be easily ungradable. Have you seen what you can do with iDVD? It's pretty cool. We Cube users are hankering for one of those slotload SuperDrives as soon as we can find Apple's source. I hope we see 2x slotloads by Summer 2003 and 4x slotloads in a year.

shadowfax

Nov 10, 2002, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by Multimedia

It also writes CDRs @ 16X you know. You may regret not getting it later and it might not be easily ungradable. Have you seen what you can do with iDVD? It's pretty cool. We Cube users are hankering for one of those slotload SuperDrives as soon as we can find Apple's source. I hope we see 2x slotloads by Summer 2003 and 4x slotloads in a year.

since when does it write at 16x? i would have paid another 200$ just for that! does the powermac superdrive write at CDs at 16x? because you are way off. i just read the tech specs, and the superdrive reads DVDs at 6, CDs at 24, writes at 8, and writes CDRW at 4, while the combo drive reads dvds at 8, CDs at 24, and writes both CDR and CDRW at 8x... that's the reason i chose the combo, because i knew i would be watching DVDs and writing CDRWs a lot more than writing DVDs.. it takes a LONG time to write a DVD, if i am not much mistaken, and the only thing i would ever write to it is my music library, which is 4.4 GB...

there are plenty of reasons for someone to get a superdrive, of course, but i didn't really feel like it. the regret it later thing doesn't hold up either; i am sure MCE will sell it for 300$ or less in a few months, and even the 800 MHz users will be able to get it.

Rower_CPU

Nov 10, 2002, 02:41 AM

TiBook Superdrive:
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW); writes DVD-R discs at 1x speed, reads DVDs at 6x speed, writes CD-R discs at 8x speed, writes CD-RW discs at 4x speed, reads CDs at 24x speed

PowerMac Superdrive:
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW); writes DVD-R discs at 2x speed, reads DVDs at 6x speed, writes CD-R discs at 8x speed, writes CD-RW discs at 4x speed, reads CDs at 24x speed

Looks like 8x CDR burning to me...

Multimedia

Nov 10, 2002, 02:57 AM

Originally posted by Shadowfax

since when does it write at 16x? i would have paid another 200$ just for that! does the powermac superdrive write at CDs at 16x? because you are way off. i just read the tech specs, and the superdrive reads DVDs at 6, CDs at 24, writes at 8, and writes CDRW at 4, while the combo drive reads dvds at 8, CDs at 24, and writes both CDR and CDRW at 8x... that's the reason i chose the combo, because i knew i would be watching DVDs and writing CDRWs a lot more than writing DVDs.. it takes a LONG time to write a DVD, if i am not much mistaken, and the only thing i would ever write to it is my music library, which is 4.4 GB...

there are plenty of reasons for someone to get a superdrive, of course, but i didn't really feel like it. the regret it later thing doesn't hold up either; i am sure MCE will sell it for 300$ or less in a few months, and even the 800 MHz users will be able to get it.

My bad. I apologize. It's only an 8x4x24x CDR drive. I was thinking of the new iBook's 16x8x24x CDRW/8x DVD read Combo drive. Excuse me. Nevertheless I think if you are spending that much money it's still worth the extra $200 to have an internal DVD writer even if it does only write 1x to DVD-Rs and RWs and 8x to CDRs.

the future

Nov 10, 2002, 03:03 AM

Pulling off a low-priced, easy-to-use, consumer-ready Unix machine is a small miracle, if you ask me.

You're just so RIGHT, man! Apple + Unix = a marriage made in heaven! Have fun with your iBook!

shadowfax

Nov 10, 2002, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Multimedia

My bad. I apologize. It's only an 8x4x24x CDR drive. I was thinking of the new iBook's 16x8x24x CDRW/8x DVD read Combo drive. Excuse me. Nevertheless I think if you are spending that much money it's still worth the extra $200 to have an internal DVD writer even if it does only write 1x to DVD-Rs and RWs and 8x to CDRs.

of course, but i prefer the faster RW rates of the Combo drive... for 200$ less. as i said though, opinions, opinions... that stinks that only the iBook has faster burn rates though. i would pay an extra 200$ to have a 16x CDR rate in the powerbook. oh well. everything else is faster.

scem0

Nov 10, 2002, 02:25 PM

I prefer my 40x10x40x :D. It is fast as hell. I burned 26 Kung Fu
movies in one night. They took about 1 hour to burn - that is
about 2 minutes per CD, but they only took a minute to burn. It
was the organizing and writing the labels that took longer.

I love Kazaa :D :D :D ;)

Multimedia

Nov 10, 2002, 02:27 PM

I just had a thought that perhaps the slotload SuperDrive in the PowerBook is slow because of HEAT issues. Maybe that's the only way they can keep the PowerBook case from melting when writing DVDs or CDRs. Any thoughts on that angle?

Multimedia

Nov 10, 2002, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by scem0
I prefer my 40x10x40x :D. It is fast as hell. I burned 26 Kung Fu
movies in one night. They took about 1 hour to burn - that is
about 2 minutes per CD, but they only took a minute to burn. It
was the organizing and writing the labels that took longer.

I love Kazaa :D :D :D ;)

How are you burning Movies to CDRs and what is Kazaa? I'm picking up a 52x24x52x CDR drive this afternoon for $69 after $10 rebate at Fry's.

scem0

Nov 10, 2002, 02:31 PM

That is why I think it is so slow... I am suprised nobody has
mentioned it yet, other then yourself. I would look through
previous posts to see if anone else has mentioned heat issues
being the cause of the slow speeds but I am lazy.;)

scem0

Nov 10, 2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Multimedia

How are you burning Movies to CDRs and what is Kazaa?

Im not burning movies so I can put them in a DVD player and
watch them. I am burning the files onto a CDR, and so I can put
the CDR in my CDROM drive and watch them if I want to.

Kazaa is a file sharing client on PCs. It is soooooo great. There
isn't a version for Macs (but there is a shadow client called Neo
which sucks), and one needs to be developed because it is on
the fasttrack network which is soooo much better then Gnutella.