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Jun 26, 2012, 09:52 AM
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AllThingsD reports (http://allthingsd.com/20120626/sprint-iphone-sales-stronger-at-big-box-retailers-than-at-apple-stores/) on an interesting survey from Consumer Intelligence Research Partners (CIRP) studying the balance of iPhone sales among the three major U.S. carriers at various points of sale such as Apple's retail stores, Best Buy, and warehouse clubs and mass market retailers.

The survey shows that AT&T remains the clear market leader for the iPhone in the United States, registering at 62% in aggregate and followed by Verizon at 26% and Sprint at just 12%. But the most interesting data pertains to the Sprint iPhone specifically, which represents just 9% of Apple retail store iPhone sales compared to 18-19% at other retailers.

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The report suggests that legacy availability is the prime reason for the difference in popularity at the different sales outlets, with customers likely to return to their previous points of purchase when it comes time to buy new phones and remain loyal to their carriers. With Sprint being the newest entrant of the three when it comes to the iPhone, its customers tend to return to Best Buy and other long-time Sprint retailers to purchase an iPhone rather going to an Apple retail store.In other words, if you bought an iPhone from Apple on AT&T or Verizon and you return to the store to buy another, you're not likely to switch carriers. And since Apple Stores have sold only AT&T and Verizon iPhones for so long, Sprint's seeing a bit less traction there than it is at retailers like Best Buy, where it has had a longer-term presence.

"Sprint is really suffering from being third to the dance," CIRP partner Michael Levin told AllThingsD. "At the Apple Store and other carrier-agnostic retailers, there is still very little switching, and Sprint just doesn't have enough existing customers walking through the door. ... AT&T's installed base of iPhone customers and Verizon's huge, satisfied customer base are proving a barrier to Sprint growing its market share."Beyond the three major carriers, Apple has also been expanding its reach by bringing the iPhone to a number of smaller regional and super-regional carriers, and most recently began an expansion into the U.S. prepaid market with Cricket (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/31/iphone-coming-to-u-s-prepaid-carrier-cricket-on-june-22/) last week and Virgin Mobile USA (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/07/virgin-mobile-usa-launching-iphone-on-june-29-with-plans-starting-at-30/) later this week.

Article Link: Sprint's Share of iPhone Sales at Big Box Retailers Double That Seen at Apple Retail Stores (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/26/sprints-share-of-iphone-sales-at-big-box-retailers-double-that-seen-at-apple-retail-stores/)



iansilv
Jun 26, 2012, 09:58 AM
Ok- but I can still buy a Sprint iPhone anywhere this October, right? Because I'm switching carriers to someone that doesn't change contract terms and has unlimited data...

BMNB1tch
Jun 26, 2012, 10:03 AM
not surprising

there are more big box retailers in rural areas than apple stores

MattMJB0188
Jun 26, 2012, 10:04 AM
Just proves nobody wants to be on Sprint's garbage network. Laughing at anyone who is on Sprint because they offer "unlimited data"

jav6454
Jun 26, 2012, 10:05 AM
So much hype and fanfare when Verizon got the iPhone. I remember those threads, "AT&Ts death".

Yet surprisingly AT&T is doing just fine and beating two carriers. Seems to show that the vocal ones were just a minority. If AT&T would be problem ridden as we were led to believe, there would be mass exodus. Something that has yet to be seen.

AustinIllini
Jun 26, 2012, 10:08 AM
So much hype and fanfare when Verizon got the iPhone. I remember those threads, "AT&Ts death".

Yet surprisingly AT&T is doing just fine and beating two carriers. Seems to show that the vocal ones were just a minority. If AT&T would be problem ridden as we were led to believe, there would be mass exodus. Something that has yet to be seen.

AT&T isn't beating Verizon. Verizon is the largest American carrier. There's no prize for winning the iPhone sales battle.

jav6454
Jun 26, 2012, 10:11 AM
I fail to see where largest carrier = winning.

Buyin out others isn't winning. Verizon isn't winning as they still can't break 30% even after a year of having an iPhone.

True there is no prize, but, it just shows the vocal minority were wrong. Not everyone wanted to get off AT&T.

Norkusa
Jun 26, 2012, 10:15 AM
Anyone here actually happy with Sprint? I signed up with them when the 4S launched and have been getting terrible service ever since. Average speeds are around 0.15Mbps down/0.10Mpbs up. Filed complaints against Sprint with BBB and FCC which managed to get me a whopping $150 credit on my bill.:rolleyes:

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/78766?tstart=0

oneMadRssn
Jun 26, 2012, 10:16 AM
I love Sprint, been a customer since Sprint acquired MCI WorldCom. In a family of 5, we pay less than $40/person/month for unlimited data, unlimited text, unlimited mobile to mobile (to all carriers) and more shared minutes than god would need.

For all those people who cry "Verizon is better": Where Sprint is lacking, I can roam all day long on Verizon (including data) for free, and still pay less.

I obviously don't speak for everyone, but we always buy our phones on Sprint's own website. They ship overnight for free, and often the best promotions on prices are on there (this doesn't really apply to the iPhone as it's rarely discounted anywhere).

Also Best Buy, Apple Stores, and retail Sprint Stores always charge an "activation fee" which we have waived if we buy online (though this was something we had to ask for).

It's too bad they got rid of Sprint Premier and all those perks, but it's still the best carrier around here (Boston) imo.

kyjaotkb
Jun 26, 2012, 10:18 AM
Just proves nobody wants to be on Sprint's garbage network. Laughing at anyone who is on Sprint because they offer "unlimited data"

Stupid people

take the chill pill buddy... judging people as "stupid" on the basis of their carrier's reliability is... not very clever, is it ?

oneMadRssn
Jun 26, 2012, 10:21 AM
Anyone here actually happy with Sprint? I signed up with them when the 4S launched and have been getting terrible service ever since. Average speeds are around 0.15Mbps down/0.10Mpbs up. Filed complaints against Sprint with BBB and FCC which managed to get me a whopping $150 credit on my bill.:rolleyes:

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/78766?tstart=0

In Boston, on 3G I get 1-4 Mbps down / .5-1.25 Mbps up. It's not as fast as ATT's "4G" (actually 3.5G HSDPA) but fast enough to load websites, pictures, and facebook.

canyonblue737
Jun 26, 2012, 10:22 AM
The real issue is SPEED AND FEATURES! Sprint is the slowest iPhone right now, BY FAR. AT&T crushes it and Verizon does too even though it is slower than AT&T! That is why there is no one switching to Sprint.

As for Verizon, yeah they have a better network (3G) but it is significantly SLOWER than AT&T! And you can't do internet stuff while talking at the same time, no thanks.

That is why you see AT&T as number 1.

BUT IT IS ALL ABOUT TO CHANGE. When the new iPhone with LTE comes in to play and Verizon has a much, much larger LTE network that is super fast and doesn't have the talking/internet at the same time issue anymore then you will see a much more even playing field with AT&T which is way behind on their own LTE rollout.

robvas
Jun 26, 2012, 10:26 AM
"Poor people" shop at big box stores and more of them use Sprint?

There are more big box stores in rural areas but Sprint (and AT&T) rural reception stinks compared to Verizon.

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 26, 2012, 10:26 AM
Just upgraded my EVO4G to a 4S.

I am happy with Sprint.

Digital Skunk
Jun 26, 2012, 10:27 AM
Here we go again with more: "My choice brand is better than your brand because of XYZ and so forth and so on."

Does every thread on Macrumors have to be turned into a brand battle?

I have Sprint, only because it's the cheapest. Talking and surfing at the same time is moot for me, and if I needed super fast internet speeds I'd stick with Android, or just use my EVO as a hotspot and connect my iPad. Or I'd just go back to my Macs at home or the 108 MacPro and HP Z series workstations at my job.

There, see, I just gave a scenario where I used like four different brands. What kind of fanboy am I?

Glassed Silver
Jun 26, 2012, 10:28 AM
[...]
If AT&T would be problem ridden as we were led to believe, there would be mass exodus. [...]

They are! and

where to?

Glassed Silver:mac

pmz
Jun 26, 2012, 10:28 AM
AT&T isn't beating Verizon. Verizon is the largest American carrier. There's no prize for winning the iPhone sales battle.

LOL. ok

So much hype and fanfare when Verizon got the iPhone. I remember those threads, "AT&Ts death".

Yet surprisingly AT&T is doing just fine and beating two carriers. Seems to show that the vocal ones were just a minority. If AT&T would be problem ridden as we were led to believe, there would be mass exodus. Something that has yet to be seen.

As is always the case. People are not stupid. AT&T iPhone's data speed is often 3x as fast as Verizon, and 10x as fast as Sprint.

What do you want for your $data plan per month? Common sense prevails.

JHankwitz
Jun 26, 2012, 10:41 AM
This seems only logical. People that buy from Big Box stores generally purchase based on price. People that purchase from Apple stores generally purchase based on service and support. Therefore, Big Box customers would be purchasing the cheapest product while Apple customers would tend to be willing to pay a bit more for a supplier that's been in service longer.

jav6454
Jun 26, 2012, 10:41 AM
They are! and

where to?

Glassed Silver:mac

You are in Germany and someone AT&T reaches over there... Please tell me how Verizon-US has better coverage in Germany.

AustinIllini
Jun 26, 2012, 10:42 AM
LOL. ok

On what planet is AT&T "beating" Verizon? Verizon covers more area. When the iPhone with LTE comes out, all of the AT&T speed arguments will be moot point, won't they?

rkw0211
Jun 26, 2012, 10:42 AM
Not that it's important, but I have a theory on why AT&T's sales may be significantly higher than Verizon's.

First of all, AT&T had the iPhone from Day 1. This means that a. Its customers probably bought iPhones as their first smartphone and b. that some people switched from other carriers to buy the iPhone specifically. This means that AT&T has a larger "iPhone consumer base" than Verizon to begin with. On the other hand, Verizon introduced Android first and made it "cool". Its customer base likely adopted Android handsets first, which (in my opinion) makes them more likely to continue to buy Android handsets. Remember, Verizon has its own brand associated with high end Android handsets. Not to mention, Android handsets are the only phones that currently support Verizon's (far superior in terms of size) LTE network.

With 2 year contracts likely spread out among different lines on the numerous family plans, it makes it difficult to just up and switch from carrier to carrier, so the idea that there would be a mass exodus was kind of misguided in the first place.

In my opinion, AT&T customers are just more likely to buy iPhones than other types of phones such as Android.

The other thing that may play a part (though less significant) is that Verizon's iPhone base is likely still locked in contracts. For example, I pre-ordered my Verizon iPhone 4 and my upgrade is not until October. AT&T's customers have had multiple generations of iPhone upgrades that makes their upgrade dates far more spread out.

AppleFan73
Jun 26, 2012, 10:44 AM
It shouldn't matter which carrier is better. As long has the carrier you picked is working for you, thats what counts. :)

fertilized-egg
Jun 26, 2012, 10:46 AM
AT&T isn't beating Verizon. Verizon is the largest American carrier. There's no prize for winning the iPhone sales battle.

Speaking of carrier salesmanship, I've often read that part of it is that the Verizon salesforce are much more likely to push Android (or as they'd put it, Droid) over iPhone whereas AT&T sales people are usually the opposite, is that true?

On the other hand poor Windows Phone devices usually get strong dis-recommendation from sales clerks it seems.

healage
Jun 26, 2012, 10:46 AM
I fail to see where largest carrier = winning.

Buyin out others isn't winning. Verizon isn't winning as they still can't break 30% even after a year of having an iPhone.

True there is no prize, but, it just shows the vocal minority were wrong. Not everyone wanted to get off AT&T.

I bought the iPhone 4 on launch day for AT&T and I'm waiting for the next gen iPhone with 4G before making the switch to Verizon.

I bet there a lot of customers in my situation.

JHankwitz
Jun 26, 2012, 10:50 AM
I have Sprint, only because it's the cheapest. Talking and surfing at the same time is moot for me, and if I needed super fast internet speeds I'd stick with Android, or just use my EVO as a hotspot and connect my iPad. Or I'd just go back to my Macs at home or the 108 MacPro and HP Z series workstations at my job.

There, see, I just gave a scenario where I used like four different brands. What kind of fanboy am I?

Inserting the work "like" in the middle of your sentence clearly identifies your age and social status.

rkw0211
Jun 26, 2012, 10:55 AM
Speaking of carrier salesmanship, I've often read that part of it is that the Verizon salesforce are much more likely to push Android (or as they'd put it, Droid) over iPhone whereas AT&T sales people are usually the opposite, is that true?

On the other hand poor Windows Phone devices usually get strong dis-recommendation from sales clerks it seems.

Yeah they pretty much do. I guess the logic is that if someone is going to buy an iPhone, they've already decided that before they walk in the door so iPhones essentially sell themselves.

jav6454
Jun 26, 2012, 10:57 AM
I bought the iPhone 4 on launch day for AT&T and I'm waiting for the next gen iPhone with 4G before making the switch to Verizon.

I bet there a lot of customers in my situation.

This excuse has been overused so much I don't even think its true anymore.

foodog
Jun 26, 2012, 11:02 AM
So much hype and fanfare when Verizon got the iPhone. I remember those threads, "AT&Ts death".

Yet surprisingly AT&T is doing just fine and beating two carriers. Seems to show that the vocal ones were just a minority. If AT&T would be problem ridden as we were led to believe, there would be mass exodus. Something that has yet to be seen.

I left AT&T with 3 iPhones

deannnnn
Jun 26, 2012, 11:03 AM
So much hype and fanfare when Verizon got the iPhone. I remember those threads, "AT&Ts death".

Yet surprisingly AT&T is doing just fine and beating two carriers. Seems to show that the vocal ones were just a minority. If AT&T would be problem ridden as we were led to believe, there would be mass exodus. Something that has yet to be seen.

I think there are a lot of people like me, who have been with AT&T since iPhone 1 and would switch to Verizon in a second, but AT&T makes that near impossible. I have five lines on my AT&T account, all with contract expirations at various times of the year. We can't afford the ridiculous term cancellation fees, and we keep signing new contracts because some of us (me) need to have the new iPhone every year! So we're stuck!

foodog
Jun 26, 2012, 11:04 AM
I love Sprint, been a customer since Sprint acquired MCI WorldCom. In a family of 5, we pay less than $40/person/month for unlimited data, unlimited text, unlimited mobile to mobile (to all carriers) and more shared minutes than god would need.

For all those people who cry "Verizon is better": Where Sprint is lacking, I can roam all day long on Verizon (including data) for free, and still pay less.

I obviously don't speak for everyone, but we always buy our phones on Sprint's own website. They ship overnight for free, and often the best promotions on prices are on there (this doesn't really apply to the iPhone as it's rarely discounted anywhere).

Also Best Buy, Apple Stores, and retail Sprint Stores always charge an "activation fee" which we have waived if we buy online (though this was something we had to ask for).

It's too bad they got rid of Sprint Premier and all those perks, but it's still the best carrier around here (Boston) imo.

Sprint works well in Atlanta too

doobybiggs
Jun 26, 2012, 11:04 AM
Speaking of carrier salesmanship, I've often read that part of it is that the Verizon salesforce are much more likely to push Android (or as they'd put it, Droid) over iPhone whereas AT&T sales people are usually the opposite, is that true?

On the other hand poor Windows Phone devices usually get strong dis-recommendation from sales clerks it seems.

I can see that .. Yes, I have never had anyone recommend a Windows phone to me lol

foodog
Jun 26, 2012, 11:06 AM
We can't afford the ridiculous term cancellation fees, and we keep signing new contracts because some of us (me) *need to have the new iPhone every year! So we're stuck!

* want is the correct term

alent1234
Jun 26, 2012, 11:14 AM
no sprint is just a rip off. at least half if not most smart phone users are on a family plan which means everyone has different contract end dates. second sprint is a rip off on family plans and smart phone plans in general.

i know since i price out leaving AT&T once in a while. i would pay A LOT more at Sprint than AT&T. i'm looking at going pre-paid later this year.

Sprint has the dumbest management in the entire wireless industry, has had for at least a decade. and this is just the latest evidence of it.

AppleGuesser
Jun 26, 2012, 11:16 AM
take the chill pill buddy... judging people as "stupid" on the basis of their carrier's reliability is... not very clever, is it ?

I'd run my iphone on any network honestly really. I use most my data on my home wifi personally :D

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Sprint works well in Atlanta too

I agree. I use AT&T and most my friends have Verizon or Sprint. Hands down, the best, and honestly the only network that works, in Atlanta is Sprint. Especially if the Falcons, Hawks, or Braves are playing that night, or the weekend in general. AT&T and Verizon both suck tremendously in the Big ATL.

barkomatic
Jun 26, 2012, 11:22 AM
If Sprint gets its LTE network out the door and maintains true unlimited data, then I might be tempted to leave my faux AT&T unlimited data plan behind.

healage
Jun 26, 2012, 11:28 AM
This excuse has been overused so much I don't even think its true anymore.

How is that an "excuse"? There are a lot of iPhone 4 customers who didn't find the iPhone 4S a compelling enough model to update to, who are waiting for the next generation to come out before locking themselves into a new contract. I know many people in the same situation as me, personally.

I've never had any issues with AT&T and if I had to update to the 4S I would go with AT&T because data speed matters to me. This is why when I upgrade next, assuming that the next iPhone will have 4G LTE capabilities, it will be with Verizon (who has a much more advanced LTE network than AT&T.)

PinkyMacGodess
Jun 26, 2012, 11:30 AM
Could this be an indication of the types of customers that visit these venues?

I had Sprint decades ago and suffered for it. I'm not apt to trust/believe their advertisements, and wouldn't think that an iPhone with their service would be a good thing. But at the time I had Sprint their service was spotty through mid-Michigan at best. On the way to a client's office, there was a dead zone that lasted about a half hour that made life a little less than great... Oh, plus I had to do the Lion King in the middle of this client's parking lot to get anything close to a reliable connection. I'm sure I looked pretty bizarre standing in the parking lot offering my phone to the gods to talk on the phone... :D:):eek::rolleyes::confused::o

jav6454
Jun 26, 2012, 11:33 AM
How is that an "excuse"? There are a lot of iPhone 4 customers who didn't find the iPhone 4S a compelling enough model to update to, who are waiting for the next generation to come out before locking themselves into a new contract. I know many people in the same situation as me, personally.

I've never had any issues with AT&T and if I had to update to the 4S I would go with AT&T because data speed matters to me. This is why when I upgrade next, assuming that the next iPhone will have 4G LTE capabilities, it will be with Verizon (who has a much more advanced LTE network than AT&T.)



Let's keep the insults to a minimum shall we? I didn't insult you I see no reason why you should insult me.

As per the excuse it is an excuse. Every year I hear the same story over and over. People wait for next new thing, don't like it and still end up buying it on the same carrier just to later complain and whine about their decision and blame the carrier. It's a nice circle. And it happens every year with everyone.

There is just that vocal minority who already did us the favor of shutting up and leaving AT&T.

PinkyMacGodess
Jun 26, 2012, 11:39 AM
How is that an "excuse"? There are a lot of iPhone 4 customers who didn't find the iPhone 4S a compelling enough model to update to, who are waiting for the next generation to come out before locking themselves into a new contract. I know many people in the same situation as me, personally.

I've never had any issues with AT&T and if I had to update to the 4S I would go with AT&T because data speed matters to me. This is why when I upgrade next, assuming that the next iPhone will have 4G LTE capabilities, it will be with Verizon (who has a much more advanced LTE network than AT&T.)


Insulting the help isn't winning friends... I saw little value in upgrading to the 4s as well, except for the opportunity to purchase an unlocked iPhone, finally.

I've had issues with AT&T sporadically since I have had them. One that plagued me for years was that their 'micro-cell' wouldn't work right. If I roamed into, or out of, the 'cell' created by the device, I'd lose the call. EVERY TIME!!! It was driving us nuts... I was at the AT&T store many times, and even the Genius Bar. Now, after popping my 'toy budget' for six months, and getting the 4s, the problems have disappeared. No longer do I have to sit at the end of the driveway to save my in-process call from being booted.

So upgrading has been 'interesting'.

Lately I am getting the old 'no ring, and no idea you missed a call unless they leave voicemail that causes the phone to chime' shtick. I am familiar with that one from an earlier phone...

As for Verizon: I stood in their showroom once, the only person there, for over 20 minutes while sales people buzzed around as if I was invisible. I don't want them to wash my feet, but acknowledging me as a customer with a question, someone seeing me, would have been damn nice...

Spanky Deluxe
Jun 26, 2012, 11:43 AM
The final column in that table is soooo useful.

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 26, 2012, 12:07 PM
Here we go again with more: "My choice brand is better than your brand because of XYZ and so forth and so on."

Does every thread on Macrumors have to be turned into a brand battle?

I have Sprint, only because it's the cheapest. Talking and surfing at the same time is moot for me, and if I needed super fast internet speeds I'd stick with Android, or just use my EVO as a hotspot and connect my iPad. Or I'd just go back to my Macs at home or the 108 MacPro and HP Z series workstations at my job.

There, see, I just gave a scenario where I used like four different brands. What kind of fanboy am I?

Some people like to blindly over pay for things. I guess thats why we are on MacRumors :D

Arcsylver
Jun 26, 2012, 12:14 PM
Been with Sprint now for over 7 years and have never had the cll reliability issues that both AT&T and Verizon have had.

I have had both family member and coworkers who could not get enough signal to place or keep phone calls at their homes, workplaces etc. where my phone had plenty of signal. That is why i have stuck with Sprint for this long.

And according to the emails Sprint has been spamming me with the past couple of weeks they have begun the rollout of their own LTE network so hopefully by the time the new iPhone rolls out it will be available in my area and I will continue to use it with my first ever iPhone.

For me at least the reason why I bought a smart phone was first as a phone second as an alternate data device for when I need things like maps and directions of quick google searches. Not for streaming media onto a small screen. That is what my iPad is for and I use wi-fi for that.

blumpkin
Jun 26, 2012, 12:36 PM
Um, isn't it obvious that Benita simply doesn't have an Apple store within a 200-mile radius? How can you go that far when your welfare check will only take you ~30 or so miles before you have to tap into your crack reserves? To the Sprint store it is.

ericinboston
Jun 26, 2012, 12:37 PM
This has to be the most MEANINGLESS article I've seen on MR in 2 years.

There is absolutely no point to having an article state "More people buy an iPhone on a Sprint system at big box retailer instead of the Sprint store."...on this website.

Upcoming articles we're likely to see on MR:

1)AT&T Sells 1.5x More iPhone Case Covers at AT&T Stores Compared To Walmart

2)Air Conditioning At Apple Stores 2 Degrees Cooler Than Other Retailers

3)Best Buy Carpets Necessitate 60% More Vacuum Cleaning Than Walmart

4)AT&T Stores' Weekday Hours 3 Hours Longer Than Big Box Stores

5)Farting In Phone Stores Occurs 70% More Often If Store Exists In Mall With Food Court

AppleDroid
Jun 26, 2012, 12:42 PM
Sprint's issue is purely it's network. Their CS is miles away from the atrocity it was a few years ago but their lack of a real 4G network, and declining 3G speeds, are killing their sales.

In my area I've seen my 3G data speeds drop from an average of 500-700kps to about 100kpbs in the same region with 4-5 bars of signal. This has been a well known issue and continues to be.

I actually really like Sprint as a company. They gave me a free Airave because my home is in a dead zone (5 minutes out and it's full go figure) and waived the monthly fee. They even upgraded me to a new one when the Airvana came out. Despite this I'm still jumping to Verizon next month because I get dropped calls and little to no data speed even in best-coverage zones.

NoExpectations
Jun 26, 2012, 12:53 PM
AT&T isn't beating Verizon. Verizon is the largest American carrier. There's no prize for winning the iPhone sales battle.

Verizon is only "larger" because of their last merger/takeover of Alltel (Dec 2008).

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Just upgraded my EVO4G to a 4S.

I am happy with Sprint.

Then you are a lucky Sprint customer. See link below....Sprint's own forum on iPhone issues (almost 1 million hits)....speed is a major issue.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/78766?start=0&tstart=0

AppleDroid
Jun 26, 2012, 12:58 PM
Then you are a lucky Sprint customer. See link below....Sprint's own forum on iPhone issues (almost 1 million hits)....speed is a major issue.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/78766?start=0&tstart=0

As I stated because they are finally increasing sales/customers but not their network. My area has dropped down to 2G speeds or worse dead zones.

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 26, 2012, 01:14 PM
Verizon is only "larger" because of their last merger/takeover of Alltel (Dec 2008).

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Then you are a lucky Sprint customer. See link below....Sprint's own forum on iPhone issues (almost 1 million hits)....speed is a major issue.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/78766?start=0&tstart=0

I live in one of the largest Metros in the country. The issue is people are expecting the NEW IPHONE to make everything faster and better and have no clue how the technology really works.

Kaibelf
Jun 26, 2012, 01:36 PM
Frankly, Sprint is cheapest (and some would argue that you get what you pay for), so the people who would use them would probably shop at places that have a lower price point than an Apple Store in general.

pmz
Jun 26, 2012, 01:41 PM
On what planet is AT&T "beating" Verizon? Verizon covers more area. When the iPhone with LTE comes out, all of the AT&T speed arguments will be moot point, won't they?

"Coverage" is a non-issue for 90% of people.

I can get "coverage" on any of these carriers, anywhere I go.

All I care about is data speed. Its 2012, for crying out loud. 1.5 Mbps from Sprint is garbage....3.5 Mbps from Verizon is also junk.

Varying speeds of 4 Mbps to 12 Mbps on AT&T is all I want to hear about. Apparently, the overwhelming majority of customers agree, unsurprisingly.

People with "coverage" issues can make their own decisions. Clearly, its not (and never was) the fantasy that people on forums made it out to be.

LethalWolfe
Jun 26, 2012, 01:52 PM
Then you are a lucky Sprint customer. See link below....Sprint's own forum on iPhone issues (almost 1 million hits)....speed is a major issue.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/78766?start=0&tstart=0

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that Sprint has the slowest data speeds. With that being said the speed is good enough that I can stream YouTube and Netflix on my 4s and rarely have a problem. Sure, the initial buffering is a little longer but it's not like the wireless data is useless. The only time that I really notice the slow speed is if I try to download an app, or some other large chunk of data, when I'm not on WiFi. I'm typically on WiFi though so it's a nonissue for me. If I was a heavy data user and I was rarely on WiFi I'm sure the data speed would drive me nuts, but that's just not my situation.

The network, which includes free roaming on Verizon's towers, has been solid in my experience (and I've been w/Sprint for many years in multiple parts of the country) and a plan w/AT&T or Verizon that would accommodate my typical phone usage would cost me about $20 more a month than what I pay for Sprint.

When my contract expired and I decided I wanted a 4s I spent weeks analyzing my usage patterns and compared that to plans from AT&T and Verizon and finically it just didn't make sense to spend so much more money for basically faster data speeds when the Sprint data speeds, while the slowest, still met my needs.

blumpkin
Jun 26, 2012, 01:56 PM
I don't think anyone is disagreeing that Sprint has the slowest data speeds. With that being said the speed is good enough that I can stream YouTube and Netflix on my 4s and rarely have a problem. Sure, the initial buffering is a little longer but it's not like the wireless data is useless. The only time that I really notice the slow speed is if I try to download an app, or some other large chunk of data, when I'm not on WiFi. I'm typically on WiFi though so it's a nonissue for me. If I was a heavy data user and I was rarely on WiFi I'm sure the data speed would drive me nuts, but that's just not my situation.

The network, which includes free roaming on Verizon's towers, has been solid in my experience (and I've been w/Sprint for many years in multiple parts of the country) and a plan w/AT&T or Verizon that would accommodate my typical phone usage would cost me about $20 more a month than what I pay for Sprint.

When my contract expired and I decided I wanted a 4s I spent weeks analyzing my usage patterns and compared that to plans from AT&T and Verizon and finically it just didn't make sense to spend so much more money for basically faster data speeds when the Sprint data speeds, while the slowest, still met my needs.
k. My data speeds with Sprint are literally unusable.

AustinIllini
Jun 26, 2012, 01:57 PM
"Coverage" is a non-issue for 90% of people.

I can get "coverage" on any of these carriers, anywhere I go.

All I care about is data speed. Its 2012, for crying out loud. 1.5 Mbps from Sprint is garbage....3.5 Mbps from Verizon is also junk.

Varying speeds of 4 Mbps to 12 Mbps on AT&T is all I want to hear about. Apparently, the overwhelming majority of customers agree, unsurprisingly.

People with "coverage" issues can make their own decisions. Clearly, its not (and never was) the fantasy that people on forums made it out to be.

You can't possibly think that LTE won't get faster data rates when the next iPhone comes out. HSPA+ will be a thing of the past because most markets that have it will be covered in LTE.

pmz
Jun 26, 2012, 02:20 PM
You can't possibly think that LTE won't get faster data rates when the next iPhone comes out. HSPA+ will be a thing of the past because most markets that have it will be covered in LTE.

Uh...clearly LTE changes the entire ballgame.

But there is no LTE iPhone, is there?

When there is, maybe the discussion changes.....or maybe, possibly, the multi billion dollar carriers are NOT idiots, and will come up with incentives to stay, rather than jump ship.

blumpkin
Jun 26, 2012, 02:32 PM
I have the 4s on sprint and I have the the iPad 2 with AT&T - the sprint 4s is just as fast as the AT&T service on my iPad. It's 3G you guys. It's never been and never will be very fast.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/78766?start=0&tstart=0

Glassed Silver
Jun 26, 2012, 02:52 PM
You are in Germany and someone AT&T reaches over there... Please tell me how Verizon-US has better coverage in Germany.

Please, as if I had to reside in the US to know how the carriers screw you and how bad they are.
It's not like I've never been there or don't have friends over in the US.

So, how is my home country of much relevance?
Can I do a test myself NOW this second? No.
But do I know what the carriers are like over there? You bet so.

Sidenote: funny joke in the end from you! :p ^^

Glassed Silver:mac

blumpkin
Jun 26, 2012, 03:16 PM
okay. Make your point.

I say that most of them had an unrealistic expectation from 3g. What now?
k

gnasher729
Jun 26, 2012, 06:28 PM
Inserting the work "like" in the middle of your sentence clearly identifies your age and social status.

The use of "social status" so like identifies what you think of yourself, whereas the five downvotes tell us what others think of you :D

DakotaGuy
Jun 26, 2012, 07:49 PM
So much hype and fanfare when Verizon got the iPhone. I remember those threads, "AT&Ts death".

Yet surprisingly AT&T is doing just fine and beating two carriers. Seems to show that the vocal ones were just a minority. If AT&T would be problem ridden as we were led to believe, there would be mass exodus. Something that has yet to be seen.

So are you suggesting that Apple should have stayed exclusively with AT&T? If so I don't agree with that.

chr1s60
Jun 27, 2012, 02:01 AM
Sprint is suffering by being Sprint. They are smaller and less people have experience with them. It's easy to get a recommendation from someone who has used Verizon or AT&T, Sprint is just less known amongst consumers.