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anthonymoody
Nov 6, 2002, 01:13 PM
Dont get me wrong, I'm very pleased with today's announcement (especially coupled with IBMs announcement that 7200rpm drives will be available next year q1/q2). I'm wondering two things though:
1) what does apple do next with the TiBook?
and
2) when?

I think it's reasonable to assume that MWSF will bring nothing in the way of changes. My best guess is something in late spring/early summer. As for stats, other than the obviouis (1.2ghz chips) i'm not sure what else we'd see. DDR ram? Bluetooth? Brighter/bigger/smaller screen choices? New enclosure? Better airport range? Better heat dissipation? A reminder, I am *not* saying that I'm not satisfied with what we were given today, just wondering what's next and when.

What do you guys think?

iGav
Nov 6, 2002, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by anthonymoody
Dont get me wrong, I'm very pleased with today's announcement (especially coupled with IBMs announcement that 7200rpm drives will be available next year q1/q2). I'm wondering two things though:
1) what does apple do next with the TiBook?
and
2) when?

I think it's reasonable to assume that MWSF will bring nothing in the way of changes. My best guess is something in late spring/early summer. As for stats, other than the obviouis (1.2ghz chips) i'm not sure what else we'd see. DDR ram? Bluetooth? Brighter/bigger/smaller screen choices? New enclosure? Better airport range? Better heat dissipation? A reminder, I am *not* saying that I'm not satisfied with what we were given today, just wondering what's next and when.


Hey it's a sensible topic..... no worries buddy!!

As stunning as it is aesthetically........... it's getting on abit now, I know good design is timeless, and the TiBook is still a stunner........ but half the fun with Apple is wondering what the next aesthetic revision will look like...... Any improvement in heat dissipation, engineering etc will probably influence the overall design of the next major revision!!

I can't see them making it smaller............ I reckon probably a larger screen is a good bet..... (not the next revision, but within the grand scheme of things)

The obvious speed increase......

Thinner too..... there is space inside to make it thinner.........

I personally see it sticking with the G4 until mid 2004.... I'd still like a Dual option for when filthy amounts of brute horsepower are needed!!

Improved battery technology, allowing longer run times.....

Firewire 2 (not long after the towers get it)

USB 2 (not long after the towers get it)

And if I was going to be really wanky..... a hard chrome finish.........

WICKED...... :D

Kid Red
Nov 6, 2002, 02:24 PM
Ask PowerPage.

FelixDerKater
Nov 6, 2002, 02:56 PM
Things that should be added to the next TiBook...

Lithium Polymer battery - extended battery life as power consumption increases.
200MHz+ Bus speed - no explanation needed
1.5GHz+ for the high-end
64 or 128MB GPU
Better LCD screen (brighter, higher resolution, greater viewing angle)
Much faster CD/R and DVD/R
2 FireWire Ports

Bear
Nov 6, 2002, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by FelixDerKater
Things that should be added to the next TiBook...

Lithium Polymer battery - extended battery life as power consumption increases.
200MHz+ Bus speed - no explanation needed
1.5GHz+ for the high-end
64 or 128MB GPU
Better LCD screen (brighter, higher resolution, greater viewing angle)
Much faster CD/R and DVD/R
2 FireWire Ports

We already have 64MB for the GPU with this latest revision.

I find that I usually have the screen down a couple of notches from maximum brightness. What do you want to do? Light a big room up with it?
But yes, a bit better on the viewing angle would be good if it doesn't increase the cost.

CD-R I'd like to see a 16x burn. The DVD-R well, that's less critical to me on a laptop, but a 4x burn would be good.

Why two firewire ports? Although I can see at some point having a couple of portable firewire devices, so this would be good. Especially if one or both were firewire2.

Over Achiever
Nov 6, 2002, 03:14 PM
It would be nice to have USB2 as well as Firewire2.

DreaminDirector
Nov 6, 2002, 03:53 PM
Is there any possibility that Apple would come out with a mini-tibook. I know this has been discussed before, but I still want a subnotebook. I think that inkwell would actually be put to use if a small touch screen powerbook came out. I dunno, I keep thinking if I wish harder enough and long enough, something may happen. As for the next step with the Powerbook, I think a redesign is in the works. Don't get me wrong, I love my Tibook, but there are minor problems with it (weak hinge, weak paint). I was reading up on the ibook and found that they make that casing from a form of bulletproof glass. That would be great if they made the TiBook less fragile and some cross between the current TiBook and the workhouse Pismo.

Again, all in my opinion.

gandalf55
Nov 6, 2002, 05:09 PM
it would be cool to be able to swivel the display around... and drive a presentation on a TiBook... so the people viewing would be on one side of the table looking at the screen and you could drive it from the other side (saying your projector was busted or something.)

i dunno...

Beej
Nov 6, 2002, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by gandalf55
it would be cool to be able to swivel the display around... and drive a presentation on a TiBook... so the people viewing would be on one side of the table looking at the screen and you could drive it from the other side (saying your projector was busted or something.)

i dunno... Uh, how would you see what you were doing?

King Cobra
Nov 6, 2002, 06:13 PM
gandalf55, have you seen any of the butt-ugly mock-ups of a swivel portable computer screen? If you haven't, grab a brown paper bag and hold it by the edge, do a search for such swivel screens, and prepare to vomit into the paper bag. :eek:

I would expect this for an updated Powerbook (not what I want, but what I expect):
1GHz and 1.25GHz portable G4s, single processor
PC2100 memory
40 and 60GB Hard Drives
32MB and 64MB VRAM
Radeon Graphics Card
Same high res.
Slightly improved Superdrive

This is a huge upgrade for the Powerbook, because it has increased 200MHz (800MHz to the 1GHz barrier) from top to top, the largest Powerbook MHz upgrade ever, and there is the option to make your own DVDs internally. You probably won't find a real huge upgrade like this again until April or May, as my guess.

job
Nov 6, 2002, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by DreaminDirector
Is there any possibility that Apple would come out with a mini-tibook. I know this has been discussed before, but I still want a subnotebook.

I think the new iBooks could be considered sub-notebooks.

I mean, just look at the specs and price..

DreaminDirector
Nov 6, 2002, 07:52 PM
I see your point, but I'm talking even smaller. Like a cross between (please please dont kill me...) a newton and a powerbook. Again, this is what I want rather than "Hey, I bet Apple's going to come out with a PDA". Trust me, I've read those threads and the members who get flamed for saying it.

I just think it would be interesting to see something that we can take every where in our daily lives. The ipod does music/contacts/calander but there's no way to input things into it without syncing it to something bigger. I have a TiBook, but I know that I don't want to take that every where I go. It's just too big. There was a great thread about a mockup of a new Powerbook Duo. The screen was 7.4 inches and it looked good. After people did some investigating, it turns out it's a Sony product over in Japan. The link is below

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13236&highlight=powerbook+image

Oh well, I'll just let this one go. A fake is a fake, nothing more. Thanks everyone for listening to me whine about this.

Ok, it's out of my system. Good times.

King Cobra
Nov 6, 2002, 09:04 PM
Why is it that when someone is asked not to be flamed I feel he wouldn't even if he didn't place that comment somewhere?

Director, I think the idea of a PDA + Powerbook into a Duo doesn't sound too bad. The only conflicts with your theory would be a diagonal 7.4 inch screen. Take a look at your monitor and your current resolution. How would that look with a 7.4 inch screen? :eek: Tell me you had your eyes placed on a laser so you can see 20/10.

I suggest increase the screen size to something like 9 or 10 inches, and maximize the res. to 800 x 600. Also, put in Jaguar, a G3 at 500MHz or so, about 320MB of RAM, a 20GB Hard Drive, and you have a sub for about $700.

Besides, compared to the sub PC notebooks I've seen, which register as bulky or battery draining, or a combination, I think such a SubBook would work very well. There have been rumors about an eBook, but with arguments about the "eBook" with multiple various specs.

Again, DreaminDirector, great idea. I just want to alternate a few options. :)

hitman also brings up an argument: price. So far, Director has argued for screen size to be minimized, and hitman has argued for a minimal price, as a sub notebook.

Now that we have both sides of the argument, I have a question. Which would be more important for a sub notebook: screen size and resolution, or low-end model price, given that there is only one model sub notebook? Given that, how would Apple expand on the boundaries of the sub notebook to establish a reasonable and effective "eBook"?

BenderBot1138
Nov 6, 2002, 09:23 PM
I gotta admit that a swivel display scares me a little, but if anyone could pull it off, it's the shoe-horn team at Apple (how DO they get all that stuff inside that one inch thin Titanium Case?)

On a more serious note... What I want next is an autographed picture of Steve Jobs with every Titanium Powerbook!;)

jefhatfield
Nov 6, 2002, 10:23 PM
we met the wintel world at two critical junctions;

1) the sub $1,000 dollar junction
2) the 64 MB video card junction

we also went over 1 ghz for a portable, but that speed is old hat for wintel notebooks

overall, hats off to apple...i have no real complaints

next step in 2003 sometime;

1) all tibooks over 1 ghz
2) ibook with G4 processor

anthonymoody
Nov 7, 2002, 06:37 AM
Yeah I totally hear you guys on the subnotebook...I think what I want is basically an Apple version of this:

http://www.dynamism.com/t1/main.shtml

It's a Panasonic - 12 inch screen, weighs 2+ pounds, built in wifi, etc etc. Somewhat underpowered for a NB these days (in PC land anyway) but put a 1Ghz g3 or g4 in, have apple shave off more size (which you know they'd find a way to!) and I'd buy this thing in a heart beat from Apple.

I think the TiBooks are great but even 5 pounds is a lot to lug if you travel a lot for work as I do.

TM

digitalgiant
Nov 7, 2002, 07:30 AM
I have a TiBook, but I know that I don't want to take that every where I go. It's just too big.

Why do people think the Ti is to big to carry everyday. I do it day in and day out and let me tell ya,,, I would rather carry my Ti than Prismo anyday. How much room is really saved (vs an iBook) when it all goes into a backpack or case. Not to bag on anyone,,, but most people that talk about the Ti size are really talking about the price of the Ti being to big. They just cant afford them. I would never go back to an iBook for "size" sake. Only if I was on my way to Bosnia,,, the bomb-proof of it all. Hey have a great day.

backdraft
Nov 7, 2002, 08:40 AM
How about an internal 120mb Floppy Superdrive? Unfortunately floppies are standard in 90% of the computers out there and YOU must use them for work, school etc... They 120mb is plenty for photoshop (more than that use a CD-R/CD-RW or DVD-R/DVD-RW) regular floppies great for text files, word etc...

Apple wants open standards right? So how about the floppy?

-backdraft

Over Achiever
Nov 7, 2002, 08:46 AM
Apple got rid of the floppy...why would they bring it back? I'm sure apple thinks that burning a 650 MB CD is better than using a floppy...and most computers have at least a CD-ROM drive by now.

primalman
Nov 7, 2002, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by backdraft
How about an internal 120mb Floppy Superdrive? Unfortunately floppies are standard in 90% of the computers out there and YOU must use them for work, school etc... They 120mb is plenty for photoshop (more than that use a CD-R/CD-RW or DVD-R/DVD-RW) regular floppies great for text files, word etc...

Apple wants open standards right? So how about the floppy?

-backdraft

Apple killed the floppy over 4 years ago. I haven't used a floppy disk in 3 years. Dead. Done. Move on with your life.

If you need quick, recoverable transport, use a Zip anyway. The 120mb 'Superdisk' as it was called, didn't really pan out, especially on Macs.

And you know, if you need to move around a measly 1.5mb [a floppy] email it.

backdraft
Nov 7, 2002, 10:12 AM
Well would you waste a 650mb CD for s file thats 500kb? PC users wouldn't they tell me all the time, and not everyone has an internet connection so I wouldn't be able to email them the file; that would mean that I would have to go out of my way and email the file to my email account then find a PC with internet access then download the file and save it onto a floppy and then giving them the floppy and then reverse if they edit the file versus just saving it on a floppy from my Mac (much easier don't you think?). Now take into account deadlines and you should begin to see the problems that arise from not having a built-in floppy on a Mac.

-backdraft

Over Achiever
Nov 7, 2002, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by primalman
And you know, if you need to move around a measly 1.5mb [a floppy] email it.

You also get a disk on key...choose the capacity you need. Most computers have USB ports by now...and there is no drivers to install (unless its Win98...) Its perfectly compatible with both systems...if you need to move small files (so burning a CD is too much), then getting a small USB Drive is the way to go.

By USB drive i meant the little flash memory card readers thats really compact and you might even be able to put on your keychain

beatle888
Nov 7, 2002, 10:15 AM
i would like to see the LCD screen with a
contrast control option like the brightness
control option. i guess the current screen
is bright enough for IN DOOR use but NOT
out door use. we do however need more
contrast weither computing in or outside.

backdraft
Nov 7, 2002, 10:16 AM
Not all PC's have usb drives. At least OS X should be compatible with usb floppy drives, its really a pain in a PC dominated world.

I mean I have to use a floppy almost every day! = (

cubist
Nov 7, 2002, 10:19 AM
Almost three times the price of the iBook. It weighs half as much.

Superdrive? Avoid it like the plague. I have used one for a couple of years at work, and it stinks:

(a) It is very slow - it's floppy speed; :( Zip is at least ten times as fast.

(b) Worse, the disks are self-corrupting; after a couple hundred writes, they develop bad sectors, and there's no way to fix them, the format program only detects them. Bulk-erasing a disk destroys it. :mad: It's like preformatted magtape, except you need to rewrite a disk much more often.

I don't think we need anything like that in our laptops. But how about a mini-superdrive (3")? That'd be keen.

primalman
Nov 7, 2002, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by backdraft
....Now take into account deadlines and you should begin to see the problems that arise from not having a built-in floppy on a Mac.

-backdraft

Wouldn't you think that if you had a viable business and deadlines were very important, that an internet connection would seem to be mandatory in this day and age?

Again, I meet deadlines everyday and work with clients who are PC only, who give me lots and lots of small files from word et al, and I haven't used a floppy in 3 years.

beatle888
Nov 7, 2002, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by backdraft
How about an internal 120mb Floppy Superdrive? Unfortunately floppies are standard in 90% of the computers out there and YOU must use them for work, school etc... They 120mb is plenty for photoshop (more than that use a CD-R/CD-RW or DVD-R/DVD-RW) regular floppies great for text files, word etc...

Apple wants open standards right? So how about the floppy?

-backdraft


FLOPPY LOL:D :D :D :D

GeeYouEye
Nov 7, 2002, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by backdraft
Not all PC's have usb drives. At least OS X should be compatible with usb floppy drives, its really a pain in a PC dominated world.

And not all Macs don't have a floppy drive. Just everything made in the past 4 years. If whoever you need to send a floppy to doesn't have USB, it's long past time for them to get a new computer. And OS X does support USB floppy drives, just not internal ones.

beefstu01
Nov 7, 2002, 11:09 AM
Yeah, I saw ads for a keychain 2 gig HD (may have been upto 20 too, don't remember). That would be sweet to use as a floppy replacement I'd say.

Rightnow I'm in a delima-- do I buy the Ghz TiBook because the prices aren't going to get much better, or do I wait for the new revision? I'm leaning towards waiting, because I see these in the close future.

Internal Bluetooth
Upgrade to the 802.11a or 802.11g standards (upto 55+ (?) MBps for wireless networking)
Firewire 2
USB 2

I think I want to hold off til USB2, because soon enough there will be more and more USB 2 devices (it took a few years to get USB fully inplemented, so it should be the same with USB 2). However, I'm not sure, it's pretty confusing. I am slightly dissapointed by the drive speed (4200 RPM? Not too bad, but IBM just announced laptop drives with their "pixie dust" technology that'll be 80+ gigs and spin at 5400 RPM's), but it's just going to be a game of wait and see.

Over Achiever
Nov 7, 2002, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by beefstu01
I am slightly dissapointed by the drive speed (4200 RPM? Not too bad, but IBM just announced laptop drives with their "pixie dust" technology that'll be 80+ gigs and spin at 5400 RPM's), but it's just going to be a game of wait and see.

IBM already has the 5400 RPM Hard drives, and they've been using "pixie dust" which is the element Rb i think for over a year now. The big announcment was that the newer drives will be even quieter than they are now (for the 5400 RPM models) that there will be 7200 RPM HDs coming early next year.

As for apple including them...don't be so sure about it. They'll be noisy, expensive, draw a lot of power, and give off a lot of heat.

sboy
Nov 7, 2002, 11:47 AM
Apple should include built-in bluetooth in the next revision of the Powerbooks and the iBooks. Microsoft has announced upcoming support in the next version of Windows, new Palms can now support bluetooth as well as newer cell phones.
I believe people will start using the easy syncing capabilities from the computer to the cell phones & other devices.

Apple needs to move on Firewire II as well as USB II.

Also, faster and larger hard drives. 4200rpm does not cut it for Audio and Video.

primalman
Nov 7, 2002, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by sboy
Apple should include built-in bluetooth in the next revision of the Powerbooks and the iBooks. Microsoft has announced upcoming support in the next version of Windows, new Palms can now support bluetooth as well as newer cell phones.
I believe people will start using the easy syncing capabilities from the computer to the cell phones & other devices.

Apple needs to move on Firewire II as well as USB II.

Also, faster and larger hard drives. 4200rpm does not cut it for Audio and Video.

A few more thought...

About the 4200rpm HDs in the TiBooks - I think that these are in there for power savings mainly. Yes, you can have faster drives, but they draw more power. If you choose to be an A/V person with a TiBook, your best bet would be to replace the drive or see if it is a BTO option to get 5400rpm.

Has anyone ever thought of the implications of a notebook with an always on Bluetooth option on an airplane? Not only is the computer creating a magnetic field with the spinning HD and battery etc [which is the reason they ask you to not have them on during takeoff and landing], but also a broadcasted radio signal with the BT. Perhaps this may be something that the computer industry and the airlines/aircraft makers are or need to address.

Just a thought...

Natron
Nov 7, 2002, 02:27 PM
I currently have a TiBook 550Mhz with a DVD drive, but I am really wanting a new 1Ghz Superdrive Ti now, but I think I'm going to TRY and wait on built-in bluetooth.

Faster Airport would probably be cool to, but it isn't essential.

As for USB 2, I don't really see the need. I've got Firewire (and soon Firewire 2) so having another high-speed port is kind of repetitive, since it's not needed for disk drives, keyboards, or mouses (I believe it's mouses when talking computers).

However, I do think Apple should implement it, if only so the lay person doesn't see that as lacking on a Mac. As USB 2 becomes more popular, people are probably getting USB 2 CD Burners and harddrives, and if they switch to the Mac, they should be able to use them at the full USB 2 speed.

I agree that the floppy is on it's way out, but I still use them, mainly for school where it's all Pee-Cee. I do like using disks, only because they are reusable and it is faster to put a small file on a disk, than to burn a small file on a CD. Also, a lot of the people I know don't have CD burners, so they will often times give me something on disk.

ALSO: Will there be Superdrive's (Pioneer drives) in the future that will burn DVD-RW's? I heard from someone that they did, but my boss confirmed that they didn't.

-Natron

primalman
Nov 7, 2002, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Natron
...ALSO: Will there be Superdrive's (Pioneer drives) in the future that will burn DVD-RW's? I heard from someone that they did, but my boss confirmed that they didn't.

-Natron

Last I was hearing, the Superdrives in Macs are DVD-RW drives, but the -RW is not 'officially' supported, but can work. See http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/ for some info perhaps.

ryan
Nov 7, 2002, 03:04 PM
I too have been wondering what the next iBook, PowerBook will bring mainly in area of case design. Does everyone think it would be reasonable to expect NOT to see a major change in the design of the iBook and PowerBook until they move to the G4 and 970 PowerPC respectively in 12-18 months

backdraft
Nov 7, 2002, 03:14 PM
Upgrade over 5,000 computer's? I wish. The best outcome would be convincing them to upgrade to new Mac's. Though the IT department is full of Microsoft trained monkey's who think Windows is the be all (they quickly forget that Unix is on 63% of the servers).

They think they know everything just because they all have a piece of toiletpaper tacked on to their cubicles with Gates' signature (a.k.a MCSE Certified Certificates), if you as so much mention anything other than Windows they laugh. Nazi bastards.

They shall burn!

Ok, I got carried away but a internal floppy isn't a bad idea or better internal zip disks, which by the way are no longer available on the PowerMac's.

P.S. OS X supports usb floppies? Can OS X read PC formatted disks as well?

-backdraft

primalman
Nov 7, 2002, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by backdraft
...Ok, I got carried away but a internal floppy isn't a bad idea or better internal zip disks, which by the way are no longer available on the PowerMac's.

-backdraft

The no more internal Zip bugs me too, but a USB zip under my monitor is not a big deal.

Originally posted by backdraft
P.S. OS X supports usb floppies? Can OS X read PC formatted disks as well?

Yah! OSX still has all the disk format supports of OS9 and back. And yes, you can plug in USB disk drives of all kinds on a USB Mac, just have to plug it into the root or a powered hub if the unit has no onboard power of its own.

I bet Proline will have a Zip bezel kit for mirror doors any day now.

anthonymoody
Nov 7, 2002, 03:51 PM
Getting back to the size/weight argument, I agree that Apple has done an amazing job cramming in an incredible amount of technology into the relatively small, light spaces of their notebooks, particularly the TiBook.

But the reason I find it too big for frequent travel is not the physical size but the weight. Yes 5 pounds is on the lighter side for a very full featured notebook. But the Panasonic I cited, for instance (here again at: http://www.dynamism.com/t1/main.shtml) weighs less than half the iBook, has the same screen size as the ibook, etc. If this were an Apple, I'd get it in a heartbeat! I'd be so thrilled to cut another 2-3 pounds from my carry on, I can hardly describe how much I'd like to do this and still carry a Mac!

TM

Laurence13
Nov 7, 2002, 04:58 PM
There is absolutly no need for anyone to use a floppy. if I have a 1k file I really need to get to another computer and that computer doesn't have network access then I just burn it on a CD. CD's cost less than 10 cents each and I doubt floppies are even that cheap. Who cares if you are "wasting" all the extra space on the disk, if you look around you can find them for free (after rebate)

If the computer in question doesn't have a CD ROM drive then spend the $5-10 and get one or better yet, spend $20-30 and get a CD-RW for it.

primalman
Nov 7, 2002, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Laurence13
...if I have a 1k file I really need to get to another computer and that computer doesn't have network access then I just burn it on a CD. CD's cost less than 10 cents each and I doubt floppies are even that cheap. Who cares if you are "wasting" all the extra space on the disk, if you look around you can find them for free (after rebate).

Well, "wasting" isn't just about the space on the disk, it's the disk itself. Why the hell would a person consistently waste the products and resources they own just because its easy and cheap?

Oh yeah, we live in America where it is OK to use 25% of the energy in the world for 5% of the population. Forgot. I thought we lived in one of those advanced places.

Seriously, it is irresponsible to waste things like that. There is no reason or exuse except laziness and an uncreative approach to life's small issues.

PS, if a computer does not have regular network access, try this little trick: Use an ethernet crossover cable, or, if you are a lucky Mac owner, any old Ethernet cable will do since Macs have smart auto-sensing ports that know when you just want to network two computers. Zippy and easy, plug and play.

Also, any Mac with built-in Firewire can start up in Firewire Target Disk Mode and be a desktop, mounted volume on any other FW equiped Mac. Try it, its great.

Laurence13
Nov 7, 2002, 05:23 PM
Well, "wasting" isn't just about the space on the disk, it's the disk itself. Why the hell would a person consistently waste the products and resources they own just because its easy and cheap?

Then spend 50 cents and get a CDRW disk for file transfers or just burn a session and add more later.

I do agree that there is no excuse for wasting resources, that's why I have a few RW disks I use for this kind of thing, but I think that when you consider the manufacturing process for Floppies (moving parts, multiple types of plastic/metal) I would bet that there are far more wasted resources doing it that way.

shadowfax
Nov 7, 2002, 05:30 PM
we don't need to waste CD-Rs OR get some POS floppy crap back at us. there is this thing called CDRW, and you can't buy a Tibook without it. as it's name suggests, CD-ReWritables allow you to write over your info in similar fashion to a floppy. not to mention, they are faster and hold 700 MB. i don't kow why we are having this fight... this seems really simple. it's the DVD-Rs you can't rewrite, and i hear that the superdrives support rewritable DVD material, so i REALLY have no idea what you are fighting about. LOL. peace

Natron
Nov 7, 2002, 05:38 PM
Well, I still use floppy disks for school. For instance, in my English class we would turn in our papers on disks, he would grade them (using MS Word's Track Changes) and give us the disk back. Hey, this saves paper!! We don't have CD burners in every computer at school for miniscule uses like that.

Also, in a group project today, we had one person who was working on a file. We then saved copies of the file to each person's disk, which is much faster than burning 5 CD's, IF we had a burner.

Yea, a blank CD-R costs about 10 cents, but I do try to not burn a disk unless I'm going to fill it up.

-Natron

Natron
Nov 7, 2002, 05:42 PM
Yea, Shadowfax, since everyone has CD burners on their computers. Because I have a TiBook, I must never use other computers or know anyone who uses a computer.

-Natron

shadowfax
Nov 7, 2002, 06:04 PM
bah. so get the USB floppy drive. this is not an issue for the vast majority of the population. some small cases like your prof requiring a floppy... here is what i would do with my very outdated stuff. i would email my file to myself and check it at school and put it on a floppy there, i could alternately FTP it to my site and download it that way, i could write it to a CDRW and then take that to school... and when i get my powerbook, i'll be able to take that to school, log onto the network, and send it to other computers to save, or print.

you'd be surprised how many very convenient ways of doing this there are. i have a floppy drive right now, and i haven't used it for something that didn't relate to booting my computer to reformat or fix some stupid windows problem in well over a year. and i am a student at a high school with very nasty, old dell computers with windows 95 (98 on the very small number of crappy laptops). i have a 24X CDRW drive that i use less frequently. my mode of choice is to FTP or email my files and then print them at school.

what would be EXTREMELY inconvenient on my powerbook would be a floppy drive that added to the bulk, cut battery life (diminutively but still), and was noisy.

i think the biggest waste is floppies--they are pretty unreliable. get them too close to a magnet? wanted to store them for a really long time? the magnetic signal on them deteriorates such that at dell where my dad works they used to require that you not reads the entirety of a floppy more than 4 times before reformatting it (in their manufacturing process)... imagine how wasteful that was! now they have gotten rid of floppies in their manufacturing process.

anyways, i really am sorry if your teachers or your school (or some other circumstance) are trapping you into the old floppy way, but please try to see that Apple doesn't market to situations like that. this is how we achieve progress. you know why intel is so screwed up? because every darn thing they make is backwards compatible by default. and while i think this is a good thing as an option (like an emulator or an external piece of hardware) it's just not smart to waste space in a laptop on floppy, and inconsistent with apple's philosophy to put them on desktops. apple is trying to move the world forward. it's a really cool idea actually.

and much cooler than microsoft's idea of moving the world forward with them in complete control

Over Achiever
Nov 7, 2002, 11:10 PM
Ok, when I was talking about USB drives, I did not mean USB floppy drives. If you want a "cheap" solution, then buy a memory card reader for 10-20$ and a cheap memory card, saay 8 or 16 MB. Total that should cost you about $25 if you know where to look, and you have the storage space of about 10 floppies in a package as compact as a floppy. And you can use it on any computer that has USB...most computers that have floppy drives should have at least a USB port. Sure, its inconvienent to reach around to the back of the computer, but its a solution if you don't want to burn CDs. If you're required to use floppies...try to look at e-mail as an alternative. (I'm sure that teacher has internet access...so he/she can grade your paper and e-mail it back)

shadowfax
Nov 8, 2002, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by Over Achiever
(I'm sure that teacher has internet access...so he/she can grade your paper and e-mail it back)

GENIUS, man. i can't believe i didn't think of that! it's so obvious, too. lol

Padrote
Nov 8, 2002, 05:19 PM
I think the latest Powerbook and iBook release might be one of the final step before a new generation of portables will come to fruition. I used to work for an apple reseller a few months ago, and there were slight rumblings about a new G4 iBook coming out, with a completely new design and stuff. I was expecting this G4 iBook to come out this latest release.

The G3 iBook is the last computer made by apple to use the G3 Processor. I know once Apple's entire line of computers make the jump to the G4 Processor, the next transition would be to upgrade to the much anticipate G5 Processor.

Again, this sounds like a lot of speculation but then again, that's one of the fun parts about being a Mac enthusiast.

scem0
Nov 8, 2002, 05:38 PM
Things that would be nice:

BlueTooth
Gigawire
80 GB HD
Better graphics cards
Longer lasting batterys/stronget batteries
lower prices
Mac OS 10.3 (;))
An apple office program
An apple browser
(This is starting to go off into 'software-land' - I shall return to hardware)
real DDR
Faster real DDR
a g5 chip
A IBM chip
Kung Fu integration

That is about all the things I can think of. Ummmm, don't ask about Kung fu integration. I am not sure what it is yet - but it would be nice....

MisterBlack
Nov 8, 2002, 05:50 PM
I know about Kung Fu integration. It's going to be part of Gigawire:

You plug a Gigawire cable into the back of your head, and a few seconds later you're like, "Whoa, I know Kung Fu."

shadowfax
Nov 9, 2002, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by scem0
Things that would be nice:

BlueTooth
Gigawire
80 GB HD
Better graphics cards
Longer lasting batterys/stronget batteries
lower prices
Mac OS 10.3 (;))
An apple office program
An apple browser
(This is starting to go off into 'software-land' - I shall return to hardware)
real DDR
Faster real DDR
a g5 chip
A IBM chip
Kung Fu integration

That is about all the things I can think of. Ummmm, don't ask about Kung fu integration. I am not sure what it is yet - but it would be nice....

better graphics cards might be nice, except the mobility radeon 9000 is the fastest graphics card on the market today, i think... and it's maxed out on RAM, unlike that 7500. i think apple should have put the 64 in the 867 though, that was a bad move.

all your other stuff looks pretty good though. the only thing i would add is that 7200 RPM drives are a must on the next release. i'm gonna save for one of those to put in my powerbook... 4200 RPMs is... well, not much worse than 5400, but, gosh, 7200 rpms are just noticeably faster, especially with 8 MB of cache. ok, now i am drooling. anyways.