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MacRumors
Jun 27, 2012, 12:40 PM
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At its Google I/O conference today, Google unveiled several new products intended to compete in the tablet and home entertainment markets, squarely targeting Apple's iPad and its rumored push into the living room for which the Apple TV has served as a foothold.

Google's presentation began with a spotlight on Android, noting that it is now activating more than one million Android devices per day and showing off Android 4.1 "Jelly Bean". The new version of the operating system offers a number of enhancements, including a faster interface, cleaner home screen design with resizable widgets, offline voice dictation, a new camera app, enhanced notifications, Siri-like voice search, and more.

A new "Google Now" feature keeps tracks of users' locations to automatically offer information relevant to their real-life experiences, whether it be information on subway schedules, menu recommendations at a restaurant, or other situations.

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As for Google's hardware announcements, they leaked out ahead of time through the company's own Google Play site, which confirmed (http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3120884/google-nexus-7-first-image-leak) that the Google Nexus 7 will be an ASUS-manufactured tablet priced at $199 for 8 GB of storage and $249 for 16 GB of storage. The device's 7-inch IPS display offers 1280x800 pixels and a 1.2-megapixel front-facing camera is included. The Nexus 7 will use a quad-core Tegra 3 processor and incorporate Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and NFC connectivity.

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On the home entertainment front, rumors from earlier this year (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/09/google-working-on-wireless-home-entertainment-system/) are coming to fruition today with the introduction of the Google Nexus Q (http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3120194/google-nexus-q-home-media-streamer), a spherical $299 "social streaming media player". The Nexus Q will allow users to wirelessly stream music, video, and YouTube content to their home entertainment systems. Also serving as an amplifier, the Nexus Q can be connected directly to speaker systems such as Google's new $399 Triad speakers (http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3120951/google-play-399-99-triad-speakers).

Google's keynote is still ongoing, and we will update this post with additional information as it is released.

Article Link: Google Announces $199 Nexus 7 Tablet, $299 Nexus Q Media Streamer (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/27/google-announces-199-nexus-7-tablet-299-nexus-q-media-streamer/)



mac.cali
Jun 27, 2012, 12:41 PM
Very Interesting.

Nevzorus
Jun 27, 2012, 12:42 PM
Well, that design looks nicer then the Surface but will NOT even come close to the iPad or the Surface.

nickn
Jun 27, 2012, 12:42 PM
Quad core plus decent screen for only 200?! I'm in for one!

lee14160
Jun 27, 2012, 12:43 PM
Another hat. . .

zzLZHzz
Jun 27, 2012, 12:44 PM
nexus 7 pricing is very competitive for it spec. totally blow off most existing andriod tablet.

nexus q is google answer to apple tv?

MacHiavelli
Jun 27, 2012, 12:45 PM
I want to vomit. Loathe EVERYTHING Google does.

SteveSparks
Jun 27, 2012, 12:45 PM
1. Not enough local storage. Even if expandable you need more so you don't need to expand. Don't always expect online/cloud to be available.

2. Battery Life?

Tinyluph
Jun 27, 2012, 12:45 PM
The tablet seems neat but $300 for a device that just streams playback from other devices? Calling DOA on that one.

herocero
Jun 27, 2012, 12:45 PM
it needs a bigger bezel

smoledman
Jun 27, 2012, 12:46 PM
Another me-too tablet. At least the Surface tries to be original.

Aidan5806
Jun 27, 2012, 12:46 PM
First the nexus 7 doesn't even come close to the iPad and there isn't really anything special about it. It's pretty much just a kindle fire with cameras and a barebone os, and we all know how that went.

lilo777
Jun 27, 2012, 12:46 PM
Google will soon have more hard wares to sell than Apple :eek:

iDuel
Jun 27, 2012, 12:46 PM
Let's hope Google updates their own phone immediately when they release a new Android OS version.

mono1980
Jun 27, 2012, 12:46 PM
I find it hilarious that people say Apple is so expensive, yet this "Nexus Q" costs 300% more than an AppleTV. Hmmmm.

adcx64
Jun 27, 2012, 12:47 PM
I hope the Nexus Q gains the installed base of Apple TV. It seems it has a lot of potential and I might just pick one up.

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 12:47 PM
I want to vomit. Loathe EVERYTHING Google does.

Good for you. Care to share a logical reason for your somewhat childish view other than "they know I went shopping last thursday because they recorded my location"?

zemoleman
Jun 27, 2012, 12:47 PM
Do folks think these are for real or are we looking at another Zune-like failure?

8GB? 16GB? Seems a bit skimpy in the storage dept.

I have to think that ultimately Google is no Apple in the hardware department, but let them take a tilt at the windmill.apple. Only time will tell.

KPOM
Jun 27, 2012, 12:47 PM
Google Now sounds a bit creepy. Privacy advocates will have a field day with it. That said, I suspect others will implement similar features.

Part of Google Now are obviously a direct reaction to Siri, though. It will be interesting to see how the improved Siri stacks up against it.

bushido
Jun 27, 2012, 12:47 PM
it needs a bigger bezel

then everyone would complain again that it looks just like an iPad OR like the definition of a Tablet :rolleyes:


Let's hope Google updates their own phone immediately when they release a new Android OS version.

the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S and another device which i forgot get it mid july

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 12:47 PM
First the nexus 7 doesn't even come close to the iPad and there isn't really anything special about it. It's pretty much just a kindle fire with cameras and a barebone os, and we all know how that went.

You got all that from 1 article?

BMNB1tch
Jun 27, 2012, 12:48 PM
looks like an overgrown iPod Touch

how is this not copyright infringement just like Samsung?

googblows

daviesified
Jun 27, 2012, 12:48 PM
Someone want to explain to me what I can do with the Nexus Q that I can't do with Apple TV & Airport Express?

$299 seems way overpriced.

Nexus 7 has just killed the Amazon Fire though, think Google have done well there.

Patriot24
Jun 27, 2012, 12:48 PM
Yikes, why in the world is the Q $299? Seems like it doesn't offer a lot more than an Apple TV at $99?

KPOM
Jun 27, 2012, 12:48 PM
Do folks think these are for real or are we looking at another Zune-like failure?

8GB? 16GB? Seems a bit skimpy in the storage dept.

I have to think that ultimately Google is no Apple in the hardware department, but let them take a tilt at the windmill.apple. Only time will tell.

It's going after the Kindle Fire more than the iPad, though that won't stop comparisons to the iPad. For $199 the Nexus 7 looks like a better deal than the Fire.

SurferMan
Jun 27, 2012, 12:48 PM
I love my gf's Kindle Fire size, I ended up using it more then my iPad2 I sold b/c you can comfortably hold it two handed and type and browse like it's a bigger phone, can't do that with the iPad or other 10" range tablets as it feels clumsy/awkward to do so. I just rarely used my iPad2 b/c even when I kicked back on the couch or outback or flight, always grabbed my 13" Pro instead.

Been waiting for a nice 7" tablet and it's priced well, I'd love for Apple to make a 7" iPad but doubt they will. I'll pry wait and see though as the 7" range is picking up steam and I'm sure others will be bringing out nice ones in that range as well. Only thing I didn't see that I wish it had was a micro sd slot.

These 7" tablets aren't meant to compete against the larger tablets like the iPad, Transformer, Galaxy etc.

Padraig
Jun 27, 2012, 12:49 PM
First the nexus 7 doesn't even come close to the iPad and there isn't really anything special about it. It's pretty much just a kindle fire with cameras and a barebone os, and we all know how that went.

Ans. Really well.

AppleDroid
Jun 27, 2012, 12:50 PM
Yikes, why in the world is the Q $299? Seems like it doesn't offer a lot more than an Apple TV at $99?

Yeah that's the consensus online as well. That price point makes no sense. I do think the N7 is a great attempt to kill the Kindle Fire though.

tdream
Jun 27, 2012, 12:50 PM
Think all the haters haven't even looked further than the headline.

It's going to be an amazing tablet especially for the price. Of course you can own an iPad and a Nexus 7 and still be ok about it.

One thing that impressed me about the presentation. 1 million android activations...... per day.

Nexus 7 is 1200x800 quality screen with google 4.1 for $199.... that's sound pretty good in my book.

TallGuy1970
Jun 27, 2012, 12:50 PM
Whether you're an Android fan or an Apple fan, it's always good to have competition! :)

joelypolly
Jun 27, 2012, 12:50 PM
Google has effectively set the bar for other Android manufacturers... some ways great (i.e. hardware specs) but other ways it is really going to kill some of them (mostly price and consumer expectations).

This has now cemented in people's minds that an Android tablet shouldn't cost more than 200 bucks. It is going to be a race to the bottom from here on out.

steviem
Jun 27, 2012, 12:50 PM
It looks nice, but it felt like the original iPad announcement. I'd liked to have seen them show some better apps, like Google Drive with a good Docs app as one example...

It still feels like Android tablet apps are big Android phone apps.

The Nexus Q looks interesting, but seems $200 too expensive. At that price point, an XBox 360 or PS3 makes more sense.

PeterQVenkman
Jun 27, 2012, 12:51 PM
Kindle Fire beware.

iPad is not breaking a sweat.

lilo777
Jun 27, 2012, 12:51 PM
I find it hilarious that people say Apple is so expensive, yet this "Nexus Q" costs 300% more than an AppleTV. Hmmmm.

That's because it is nothing like Apple TV. It has Bluetooth and NFC. And it works as 25-watt amplifier.

Kid A
Jun 27, 2012, 12:51 PM
Okama Gamesphere. :rolleyes:

adildacoolset
Jun 27, 2012, 12:51 PM
When I saw this, here was my reaction:

smoledman
Jun 27, 2012, 12:52 PM
So Google is now officially competing with it's OEM partners. Remains to be seen if they will pay a heavy price as Samsung goes "all in" with Microsoft.

whooleytoo
Jun 27, 2012, 12:52 PM
For me, a 7" general purpose tablet is just falling between two stools. When sitting down at home, you want a larger screen. When you're on the move, a 7" is a bit too big.

For specialised tasks (a games device, a touch-screen TV remote, or a tablet for children etc.) it makes more sense.

rsands1
Jun 27, 2012, 12:53 PM
Good luck fitting that huge ball on any entertainement shelf atop any of your devices….let alone sideways next to one. Great job Google…your designers really thought of everything when they designed a huge ball with a light on it.

tdream
Jun 27, 2012, 12:53 PM
First the nexus 7 doesn't even come close to the iPad and there isn't really anything special about it. It's pretty much just a kindle fire with cameras and a barebone os, and we all know how that went.

Kindle fire didn't even ship with ICS, it went out with 2.3 gingerbread. And Amazon doesn't support the Kindle very well. Do you think Google will support their own hardware better than Amazon's...?

saintforlife
Jun 27, 2012, 12:53 PM
So the Nexus Q is just Google's equivalent of the Apple TV? Why is it so expensive?

scottsjack
Jun 27, 2012, 12:53 PM
Social Streaming Media Player? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

iSee
Jun 27, 2012, 12:53 PM
The tablet seems really competative in the 7" tablet market.

The Q Media Streamer seems completely DOA. I guess there must be a lot more to it than what's described because otherwise it would be 3x more expensive than competing products.

ristlin
Jun 27, 2012, 12:54 PM
Have to take a closer look at the tablet, but not bad at all.

Media Streamer is overpriced IMO. Very hard to justify a $300 add-on.

kevinof
Jun 27, 2012, 12:54 PM
see post #34

So the Nexus Q is just Google's equivalent of the Apple TV? Why is it so expensive?

evalex
Jun 27, 2012, 12:54 PM
Looking at the specs and price, this seems more likely to dominate the Android market and jockey against the Kindle Fire (which is probably too Amazon-ified for Google's tastes) than compete at all with the iPad.

Because of those big spec and price differences, I think that we'll end up with the same market split as when the Kindle Fire launched: Anybody who has already made the decision to plunk down $400+ on a 10" iPad with maybe a retina display ($500+, in that case) won't be swayed by it. At the same time, it looks like it could spell disaster for Amazon, because the UI and user experience will undoubtedly be much better.

Android in it's pure Google-y form, run on hardware picked and tuned by Google for maximum Google-ness is actually a pretty beautiful thing. It always gets mucked up and re-skinned by the hardware manufacturers. As much as I prefer the iPad, I can't be anything but happy about this tablet.

Eidorian
Jun 27, 2012, 12:55 PM
Disposable pricing. Why not? Now to determine if they make a profit on the hardware.

lilo777
Jun 27, 2012, 12:55 PM
So the Nexus Q is just Google's equivalent of the Apple TV? Why is it so expensive?

Because Google is a premium brand. Apple has become too ubiquitous.

CrAkD
Jun 27, 2012, 12:55 PM
Apple tv knockoff for $299? Ya ok.

reden
Jun 27, 2012, 12:56 PM
Just a little reminder to freshen up your memories in case you're thinking of buying one of these. Excerpt from Wikipedia:

"On July 16, 2010, Google announced that the next shipment of Nexus One smartphones would be the last to be sold on their web store, stating "While the global adoption of the Android platform has exceeded our expectations, the web store has not. It’s remained a niche channel for early adopters, but it’s clear that many customers like a hands-on experience before buying a phone." The device will continue to be sold through retail stores, and other channel partners.

As of November 1, 2010 Google have closed the Nexus One support forums, redirecting users to the Google Mobile forum, which only has categories for software. The message shown to users was: "The Nexus One forum will be archived and become read-only on November 1st. Please see the Nexus One Terms of Sale for details regarding support. If you have questions about using applications on your Nexus One post them to the Google Mobile Forum." Also worthy of note is that the link to Terms of Sale on that message has no mention of support, contrary to what the message implies.

As of the announcement of Android 4.0, Ice Cream Sandwich, HTC has announced that there will be no more software updates for the Nexus One, as the hardware is now too old to run the new version of Android effectively"

tigres
Jun 27, 2012, 12:56 PM
Who was that guy who used to be on Apple's board? :rolleyes:
Guess the notepad got through security.

steviem
Jun 27, 2012, 12:56 PM
That's because it is nothing like Apple TV. It has Bluetooth and NFC. And it works as 25-watt amplifier.

Apple TV has Bluetooth 4.0 in its chipset, just it isn't activated. I'm sorry, but a 25 watt amp and and NFC doesn't warrant a $200 premium.

DakotaGuy
Jun 27, 2012, 12:57 PM
So Google is now officially competing with it's OEM partners. Remains to be seen if they will pay a heavy price as Samsung goes "all in" with Microsoft.

Didn't that already sort of start when they bought Motorola Mobility?

Oletros
Jun 27, 2012, 12:58 PM
So Google is now officially competing with it's OEM partners

Mmm, ¿no?

rjohnstone
Jun 27, 2012, 12:58 PM
Just a little reminder to freshen up your memories in case you're thinking of buying one of these. Excerpt from Wikipedia:

"As of November 1, 2010 Google have closed the Nexus One support forums, redirecting users to the Google Mobile forum, which only has categories for software. The message shown to users was: "The Nexus One forum will be archived and become read-only on November 1st. Please see the Nexus One Terms of Sale for details regarding support. If you have questions about using applications on your Nexus One post them to the Google Mobile Forum."[106] Also worthy of note is that the link to Terms of Sale on that message has no mention of support, contrary to what the message implies.

As of the announcement of Android 4.0, Ice Cream Sandwich, HTC has announced that there will be no more software updates for the Nexus One, as the hardware is now too old to run the new version of Android effectively"
And your point is?
Even Apple has discontinued support for older devices.
Anything older than a 3GS is pretty much done.

Patriot24
Jun 27, 2012, 12:59 PM
That's because it is nothing like Apple TV. It has Bluetooth and NFC. And it works as 25-watt amplifier.

At first glance, those two hardware features don't seem to have much impact over the way that an iPhone or iPad interact with the Apple TV. Different technologies with the same outcome - control the box with a phone/tablet.

Stuipdboy1000
Jun 27, 2012, 12:59 PM
That's because it is nothing like Apple TV. It has Bluetooth and NFC. And it works as 25-watt amplifier.

And lights. Don't forget the lights.

LordJohnWhorfin
Jun 27, 2012, 12:59 PM
$14 for shipping, plus tax in CA. Total: $284. Still fairly inexpensive for a Kindle Fire killer, IMO.

rowspaxe
Jun 27, 2012, 01:00 PM
Wow, why so ugly? You would think as googles first entry there would be something destinctive approach to form factor. May Jobs is right--apple's competitors lack taste

Oletros
Jun 27, 2012, 01:00 PM
Apple tv knockoff for $299? Ya ok.

What knockoff?

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Wow, why so ugly? You would think as googles first entry there would be something destinctive approach to form factor. May Jobs is right--apple's competitors lack taste

Ugly, and how has to be?

Kurwenal
Jun 27, 2012, 01:00 PM
looks like an overgrown iPod Touch

how is this not copyright infringement just like Samsung?

googblows

How is it not? Well, for starters, the PI against Samsung involves a patent, not a copyright. And, second, the Nexus is a different product than the Galaxy Tab 10.1. There are other reasons, but those two suffice to answer your question.

Tinyluph
Jun 27, 2012, 01:01 PM
Just a little reminder to freshen up your memories in case you're thinking of buying one of these. Excerpt from Wikipedia:

"On July 16, 2010, Google announced that the next shipment of Nexus One smartphones would be the last to be sold on their web store, stating "While the global adoption of the Android platform has exceeded our expectations, the web store has not. It’s remained a niche channel for early adopters, but it’s clear that many customers like a hands-on experience before buying a phone." The device will continue to be sold through retail stores, and other channel partners.

As of November 1, 2010 Google have closed the Nexus One support forums, redirecting users to the Google Mobile forum, which only has categories for software. The message shown to users was: "The Nexus One forum will be archived and become read-only on November 1st. Please see the Nexus One Terms of Sale for details regarding support. If you have questions about using applications on your Nexus One post them to the Google Mobile Forum." Also worthy of note is that the link to Terms of Sale on that message has no mention of support, contrary to what the message implies.

As of the announcement of Android 4.0, Ice Cream Sandwich, HTC has announced that there will be no more software updates for the Nexus One, as the hardware is now too old to run the new version of Android effectively"

The Nexus One came out two years ago, that's not much different from your typical iOS cut off.

Mic'sBook
Jun 27, 2012, 01:02 PM
The Nexus Q Media Streamer looks like the Sony Ericsson MBS-100 Portable Bluetooth Speaker.
http://store.sony.com/wcsstore/SonyStyleStorefrontAssetStore/img/718x407/MBS100.png
(EDIT: black ball-shaped, a curve near the bottom, a line cutting across the sphere at an angle of about 45 degrees)

reference:
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&partNumber=MBS100#specifications

AtHomeBoy_2000
Jun 27, 2012, 01:03 PM
I'd love the Nexus Q... if I could use it at access the 100+ movies I have stored locally that I cant upload to Google to stream BACK to my Q.

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The Nexus Q Media Streamer looks like the Sony Ericsson MBS-100 Portable Bluetooth Speaker.
Image (http://store.sony.com/wcsstore/SonyStyleStorefrontAssetStore/img/718x407/MBS100.png)

reference:
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&partNumber=MBS100#specifications

If by look alike you mean they are black and ball shaped, then yes. Other than that, no.

dojoman
Jun 27, 2012, 01:03 PM
Tell me if the video in the link doesn't look like video from Apple. Copy much???

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/google-makes-the-nexus-7-tablet-official/

Navdakilla
Jun 27, 2012, 01:04 PM
at 200$ this thing will sell like hotcakes

Apple needs to release their 7" ipad asap.

Kurwenal
Jun 27, 2012, 01:05 PM
Just a little reminder to freshen up your memories in case you're thinking of buying one of these.

True, this is probably a rabbit with a questionable long-term future, assuming Google's OEMs match it. But, the significance is the price, which I hope will put pressure on Apple to drop the iPad's price.

iScott428
Jun 27, 2012, 01:05 PM
Someone want to explain to me what I can do with the Nexus Q that I can't do with Apple TV & Airport Express?

$299 seems way overpriced.

Nexus 7 has just killed the Amazon Fire though, think Google have done well there.

Could not have said it any better, bye bye Kindle Fire adoptions.

I just do not get Nexus Q, aside from an amplifier and price, what is the differentiation from Apple TV? Thing needs 1GB of RAM???

ChazUK
Jun 27, 2012, 01:05 PM
I was very surprised to hear how natural the voice synthesis was during the demo. Jellybean looks like it's going to be a nice update too.

Not a bad keynote at all.

Funkymonk
Jun 27, 2012, 01:06 PM
Nexus 7 tablet sounds amazing especially for $199. Still love my iPad 3 but I think I'll start recommending the nexus tablet to friends and family when they're looking of a tablet device. $199 is a steal. Google done good.

blumpkin
Jun 27, 2012, 01:06 PM
I don't know who competes against whom anymore.

mjtomlin
Jun 27, 2012, 01:06 PM
I do think the N7 is a great attempt to kill the Kindle Fire though.

I doubt it will. Amazon has the content, branding power, and consumer loyalty and thus far has been the only digital media store that has made any gains on iTunes. Furthermore, non-iPad tablets have proven to be poor sellers outside of the Holiday shopping season. Which means people regard them as toys or gifts for the most part.

And how far away is it before Amazon releases a newer model of the Fire more on par feature-wise with Google's? To most consumers Android is Android, whether it's 2.3 or 4.1. So I don't see that as a selling point either.

I'm sure now that Google is getting more into the hardware business, Apple will be more inclined to start competing head on with them... Meaning, expect to see a 7" iPod/iPad this Fall, along with an updated AppleTV.

bushido
Jun 27, 2012, 01:07 PM
Could not have said it any better, bye bye Kindle Fire adoptions.

I just do not get Nexus Q, aside from an amplifier and price, what is the differentiation from Apple TV? Thing needs 1GB of RAM???

maybe it will play stuff like mkv? hopefully ... for such a price

samcraig
Jun 27, 2012, 01:09 PM
I disagree with the idea set forth by the article that the tablet is in direct competition with the iPad. Yes - by nature it's a tablet - and a powerful one at that - it's more a direct competitor against the Kindle Fire, Nook and other 7" tablets. If/When Google releases a 10" tablet - then you can say they are gunning for the iPad market.

Real estate means a lot. So does price point. If you are looking for a large screen tablet - then this device is not for you. And the fact that it's cheaper won't matter much either.

duffman9000
Jun 27, 2012, 01:09 PM
it needs a bigger bezel

Hahaha.. that's the same thing I said. Hello, early 1990's calling, it wants its bezel back. :D

rjohnstone
Jun 27, 2012, 01:10 PM
Ok... I see one thing Google missed.
No external memory card support.
So it's either 8GB or 16GB.... sorry, but that's a failure in my book.

ufwa
Jun 27, 2012, 01:10 PM
Hmm no word on retail sellers.

Don't know about others but I don't buy electronics without having a chance to see/touch/hold it in person.

Menneisyys2
Jun 27, 2012, 01:11 PM
Quad core plus decent screen for only 200?! I'm in for one!

Me too. It's cheap enough not to take a big loss if I don't use it much.

Blipp
Jun 27, 2012, 01:11 PM
The tablet seems really competative in the 7" tablet market.

The Q Media Streamer seems completely DOA. I guess there must be a lot more to it than what's described because otherwise it would be 3x more expensive than competing products.

Right. I'm really missing what this device does that puts it in the $300 price range. I get frustrated that my Apple TV doesn't give me access to Hulu or Amazon Prime, this thing is only google streaming. Sharing playlists with friends is a joke of a feature as a major selling point. Those kinds of things are cool fluff that you add to already fleshed out products, you can't base your living room set top box around streaming audio playlists to people. No Netflix? C'mon. Why would anyong ever buy this over a PS3 that gives you more streaming options, local storage, a browser, blu ray, and of course games. The only thing it's missing is the playlist streaming. I just don't get it.

If someone sees something in this device that is totally flying over my head then by all means let me know. I can't imagine a room full of smart people approved this as a product at that price and limited functionality.:confused:

D.T.
Jun 27, 2012, 01:11 PM
The Nexus 7 looks like a solid entry into the low[er] cost, small tablet market, and clearly shares that marketspace with the Kindle.

I was reasonably underwhelmed by the Kindle I had (sold it in ~2 weeks), but I get where a device like this fits into the market.

The Q looks like another questionable entry into the media hub/sharing device space. Everyone it trying to create (even though I kind of hate using the term), an ecosystem of hardware/software that penetrates mobile, “lifestyle”, media distribution and subscription. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out with Apple, Google and MS.

samcraig
Jun 27, 2012, 01:12 PM
Ok... I see one thing Google missed.
No external memory card support.
So it's either 8GB or 16GB.... sorry, but that's a failure in my book.

because the 16 gig iPad is a failure?

I admit to not reading the entire spec list/etc - but I would assume, that just like the iPad - Google is banking on the cloud as being primary storage.

fig
Jun 27, 2012, 01:12 PM
Apple TV has Bluetooth 4.0 in its chipset, just it isn't activated. I'm sorry, but a 25 watt amp and and NFC doesn't warrant a $200 premium.

I'd tend to agree, you could get an AppleTV and a decent separate amp for $299. It's an interesting little package though.

For everyone dissing the Nexus 7 as not being up to iPad specs, for half the price it isn't supposed to be. It's a nice little piece of tech for $199 or 249 though, I'll probably get one just to have it around the house for browsing, Netflix, etc., and to dabble on an Android platform.

adztaylor
Jun 27, 2012, 01:12 PM
Incredible price. Have an iPad but tempted to get one of these to try out.

djharris
Jun 27, 2012, 01:14 PM
I'm guessing that as far as the tablets, and the unlocked phone they were already selling for $399, Google is taking the strategy Amazon did with the Kindle Fire, selling devices at or near cost so they can make money off selling stuff on the Play Store. Seems good for consumers.

Not sure about the ball quite yet....

BFizzzle
Jun 27, 2012, 01:14 PM
First the nexus 7 doesn't even come close to the iPad and there isn't really anything special about it. It's pretty much just a kindle fire with cameras and a barebone os, and we all know how that went.

ya ... just like a kindle fire... except a quad core cpu and 12 core gpu :rolleyes:

macrumors12345
Jun 27, 2012, 01:14 PM
Last year Google wanted to compete with the iPad. This year they want to compete with Kindle Fire. Maybe next year it will be Surface.

lilo777
Jun 27, 2012, 01:15 PM
At first glance, those two hardware features don't seem to have much impact over the way that an iPhone or iPad interact with the Apple TV. Different technologies with the same outcome - control the box with a phone/tablet.

I guess there are two main differences:
* Nexus Q is much better solution for listening to music. You connect it to speakers and that's it. It can still be connected to a TV but for music only one does not need to turn the TV on. It will also enhance sound for TV programs too (with decent speakers) although those with Home Theater setups would not need it.
* As I understand, Nexus Q can serve as a server of sorts. The promo video shows how different people may submit music requests to Nexus Q queue making it a more social experience. With 1GB of RAM Google probably can use this thing for all kinds of features.

Radio
Jun 27, 2012, 01:15 PM
I'm a little dissappionted in the childish comments made at google.

Competition is good. IMO iOS could use a rehaul

d3bruts1d
Jun 27, 2012, 01:16 PM
The Nexus 7 isn't bad, but the internal is way overpowered for that tiny screen. I expect the Kindle Fire2 to be nearly identical. Not bad, if you like that cheap, light, fragile plastic feeling in your tablets.

The Q screams "fail" and once again, Google doesn't appear to know what they are doing with their products. What is their goal for the home entertainment? Google TV or Google Q? IMO, the Q is a niche, party device. I don't see it selling very well and it certainly is not an Apple TV competitor.

boomboom2
Jun 27, 2012, 01:16 PM
The Nexus Q is so expensive because it's manufactured in the USA. Google thinks people have morals and will actually pay more because it's made by well compensated people instead of people in horrible conditions lol!

www.engadget.com/2012/google-q-is-designed-and-manufactured-in-the-u-s-a/

Worf
Jun 27, 2012, 01:18 PM
Only thing I really hate about Nexus 7 is that it's not optimized for a tablet and it's running software as if it was a phone. I don't think this will kill Kindle Fire completely, Amazon still has time to introduce their own answer to this.

bushido
Jun 27, 2012, 01:19 PM
first problem ... "US only" it seems

plus only at their online store? google needs to extend its hardware availability to something like a "google play" area at best buy etc like apple does to appeal to more people. having all google hardware (tablet, smartphones) along with 3rd party tools in one spot simply looks cooler and attracts more people

rjohnstone
Jun 27, 2012, 01:21 PM
because the 16 gig iPad is a failure?

I admit to not reading the entire spec list/etc - but I would assume, that just like the iPad - Google is banking on the cloud as being primary storage.

Cloud is fine if you have connectivity, but this is a WiFi only device.
8GB is pathetic.
16GB is usable, but I know that I personally would fill it up rather quickly.
Since they don't offer larger capacities, having an external memory card slot would have been a nice feature to have.
But I have to remember... Nexus devices have never been cutting edge.

fupresti
Jun 27, 2012, 01:21 PM
I imagine some of the cost relates to the fact it was designed and is manufactured in the USA. To all those who claim they would pay more for a product manufactured in the USA, ball is now in your court.

Eidorian
Jun 27, 2012, 01:21 PM
because the 16 gig iPad is a failure?

I admit to not reading the entire spec list/etc - but I would assume, that just like the iPad - Google is banking on the cloud as being primary storage.I believe I saw the mention of expandable storage via SD/microSD. If you are concerned about speed it is all over USB 2.0 anyways. Even the internal stuff.

GLS
Jun 27, 2012, 01:22 PM
Because Google is a premium brand.

No kidding?

Really?

Premium?

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 01:22 PM
Google has effectively set the bar for other Android manufacturers... some ways great (i.e. hardware specs) but other ways it is really going to kill some of them (mostly price and consumer expectations).

This has now cemented in people's minds that an Android tablet shouldn't cost more than 200 bucks. It is going to be a race to the bottom from here on out.

Google has been planning this ever since the Motorola buyout was announced.

Why just make money licensing 'GAPPS' when you can make the entire hardware.

Microsoft finally understood this with the announcement of the Slate. This is what the 'Post PC Era' is all about - controlling your ecosystem. Whoever controls their ecosystem the best, gets the consumer.

diamond.g
Jun 27, 2012, 01:23 PM
No one has any comment on the offline dictation?

ghettochris
Jun 27, 2012, 01:24 PM
Nexus Q-fail on price, fail on shape.

Nexus 7-fail on super fat top and bottom bezel. Also, if you have a 4.5" android phone, is there any point to this?

Eidorian
Jun 27, 2012, 01:25 PM
No one has any comment on the offline dictation?A lot of fun things require local storage to be used. Offline text to speech gets major points for me. Now add offline Wikipedia. :rolleyes:

Here's to Star Trek.

fmaxwell
Jun 27, 2012, 01:25 PM
That's because it is nothing like Apple TV. It has Bluetooth and NFC. And it works as 25-watt amplifier.

And that's so valuable because no one with a home theater setup already has an AV receiver.

lilo777
Jun 27, 2012, 01:25 PM
No kidding?

Really?

Premium?

They are. They even manufacture their stuff in US. Only premium brands can afford that.

fig
Jun 27, 2012, 01:26 PM
Tell me if the video in the link doesn't look like video from Apple. Copy much???

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/google-makes-the-nexus-7-tablet-official/

It looks like video from any company doing interviews talking about their product.

MachineShedFred
Jun 27, 2012, 01:27 PM
Nexus Q: A less functional AppleTV, that takes more space and costs 3x as much. Google TV v2.0.

25W amplifier? Seriously? Why bother - anyone that cares about audio quality will already have an amp that is way better.

$400 bookshelf speakers from a company that has exactly zero experience in acoustical engineering? For $250, I could buy a pair of Paradigm bookshelves that are likely to sound much better.

I have nothing to say about the tablet - that might work out for them, but these other two products seem like a longshot.

nefan65
Jun 27, 2012, 01:27 PM
They are. They even manufacture their stuff in US. Only premium brands can afford that.

? The only thing they've made in the U.S. is that Q thing. The Nexus tablet is ASUS, they're Asia. Same with the Nexus phone; Samsung.

andrewzz
Jun 27, 2012, 01:27 PM
iPad 7" here we come...

genovelle
Jun 27, 2012, 01:28 PM
The Nexus One came out two years ago, that's not much different from your typical iOS cut off.

Not so. The problem is the nexus came out in March of 2010 support was canceled October of 2011. 17 months! My IPhone 3G will get many new features in the fall and it's 3 years old. This is how Google gets suckers to keep updating even when there phone could have been updated.

Oletros
Jun 27, 2012, 01:28 PM
Only thing I really hate about Nexus 7 is that it's not optimized for a tablet and it's running software as if it was a phone

Source?

shiseiryu1
Jun 27, 2012, 01:28 PM
So the Nexus Q is just Google's equivalent of the Apple TV? Why is it so expensive?

Perhaps because it has a built-in amp and is touch sensitive? I guess that would explain it who cares about those features? My guess is that most people would ditch those features if they could shave $200 off the price. Besides, if you don't have an amp in your living room already you're proabably a luzer and wouldn't have the money for a $300 toy anyways.

Also, if it's made for the living room why is it a stinking ball shape?

techwhiz
Jun 27, 2012, 01:29 PM
People that say yet 7" market isn't real, are fooling themselves.
I would buy multiple 7" iPads, one for each of my kids.

Regular iPad is too big and an iPod touch is too small.
7" is the perfect size for an eReader or kids tablet.
I own 2 iPads and a Nook running vanilla android on it.
The kids love the iPads *AND* the Nook. They are agnostic and as long as one runs the the app, they do not care.

I'll be buying a Nexus 7, 16GB.

i.mac
Jun 27, 2012, 01:29 PM
because the 16 gig iPad is a failure?

I admit to not reading the entire spec list/etc - but I would assume, that just like the iPad - Google is banking on the cloud as being primary storage.

I've seen the iPad, and this gooblow crapware is no iPad.

a.gomez
Jun 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
nice... this could be a good update for my Galaxy Tab 7 from Verizon - not used my data plan much.

only keep my iPad at work for testing these days - used it 2 times on the subway and realized it made little sense... 7inch is perfect for my subway ride.

PeopleTheseDays
Jun 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
The Nexus Q is made in America. Interesting.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3121118/nexus-q-tear-down-manufactured-us

Patriot24
Jun 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
The Nexus Q is so expensive because it's manufactured in the USA. Google thinks people have morals and will actually pay more because it's made by well compensated people instead of people in horrible conditions lol!

www.engadget.com/2012/google-q-is-designed-and-manufactured-in-the-u-s-a/

We'll see how that works out for them, Cotton.

Hint: People whine all the time about outsourcing labor and claim that they are willing to pay significantly more for products manufactured in the United States, but the reality is that they won't. It sounds great coming out, but money usually wins.

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
Ok... I see one thing Google missed.
No external memory card support.
So it's either 8GB or 16GB.... sorry, but that's a failure in my book.

(Note: No iPad supports any form of external storage. At least on Android you have access to the filesystem so you can setup a network drive).

You'll find that people will cope. Not everyone fills their tablet up to the brim with crap, but it is nice to have the space there as a 'just incase'.

jwsmiths
Jun 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
I guess there are two main differences:
* Nexus Q is much better solution for listening to music. You connect it to speakers and that's it. It can still be connected to a TV but for music only one does not need to turn the TV on. It will also enhance sound for TV programs too (with decent speakers) although those with Home Theater setups would not need it.
* As I understand, Nexus Q can serve as a server of sorts. The promo video shows how different people may submit music requests to Nexus Q queue making it a more social experience. With 1GB of RAM Google probably can use this thing for all kinds of features.

How is it better? I could connect my AppleTV to speakers that had optical audio-in just as easily.

Also haven't you seen that feature in iTunes called iTunes DJ? It has been there for years. iTunes makes playlists based on songs from existing playlists or the whole library and people can vote for songs and request songs....

GLS
Jun 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
They are. They even manufacture their stuff in US. Only premium brands can afford that.

Just like Lexus, or Mercedes, right?

iMacFarlane
Jun 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
looks like an overgrown iPod Touch

That's what a lot of people said when the iPad was first introduced.

You know, right before it single-handedly established tablet computing as a viable consumer market and crushed it's competition before it even had any.

piecloud
Jun 27, 2012, 01:31 PM
Yikes, why in the world is the Q $299? Seems like it doesn't offer a lot more than an Apple TV at $99?


Because it's "Made in USA". Now for all the people whining about manufacturing moving to Asia, put your money where your mouth is !

rjohnstone
Jun 27, 2012, 01:32 PM
Not so. The problem is the nexus came out in March of 2010 support was canceled October of 2011. 17 months! My IPhone 3G will get many new features in the fall and it's 3 years old. This is how Google gets suckers to keep updating even when there phone could have been updated.
Your 3G is 4 years old and will not be getting anything this fall.
You stopped getting updates after 3.1.3. ;)

Patriot24
Jun 27, 2012, 01:32 PM
No one has any comment on the offline dictation?

We're too busy barbecuing them for the low hanging fruit. As soon as we cover all of those bases, we'll get to "remember when everyone was saying Siri was a joke? What now OH SNAP" comments. Just be patient. ;)

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 01:33 PM
I'm a little dissappionted in the childish comments made at google.

Competition is good. IMO iOS could use a rehaul

Ditto!

The issue with the tablet market is that its been Apple vs everyone else. There has been no clear cut, standout competitor. IMO its about time Google got into the hardware game, it'll stop them focusing on Ads (not that there are any in Android but you get the idea) and focus on kickass hardware to backup the software.

diamond.g
Jun 27, 2012, 01:34 PM
A lot of fun things require local storage to be used. Offline text to speech gets major points for me. Now add offline Wikipedia. :rolleyes:

Here's to Star Trek.

I am curious to see of we get a change in iOS 6 at the "last" minute to enable the same feature.

PDFierro
Jun 27, 2012, 01:34 PM
Can we stop saying how this isn't as good as an iPad? I think this in a completely different market. Let's look at the iPad as more of a pro tablet, and the Nexus 7 as something a little below that. Of course, everything you can do on an iPad you can also do on this.

Given this is an Apple forum, there is bound to be backlash. Haters, people biased, etc.

I think Apple is best when it comes to Macs, but as far as the mobile space? Phones and tablets? I now think Google has them beat.

iOS does great things, but the Nexus products are so much better. That's just my opinion, but they are more for me.

Now, I'm an Apple guy through-and-through. I only recently begun looking away from iOS due to the lack of integrated transit directions in iOS 6. I also love the 7-inch form factor in a tablet, and that's why I was looking forward to the Nexus 7.

I want that clean mobile experience, and would rather have all the storage internally. As opposed to a SD card. That's what Apple provides. So much of Android is fragmented and I would never get a non-Google device, but I think the Nexus line is going to be great for people like us.

Another concern of mine was I wanted a full-blown media store. Movies, TV, etc. Google fixed that today, adding more than just being able to rent movies.

I can't say I will be getting an Android phone anytime soon, but the Nexus 7 is definitely mine.

Again, I'm not saying that Google is far and away better than Apple in the mobile space, but for the right user? Absolutely. iOS is a great platform, but for the way I see things, Google has Apple beat when it comes to phone and tablets.

I'm not sure what kind of audience the Nexus 7 is aiming for, though. It's appealing to people who would otherwise have bought a Kindle Fire, but it has the capability of an iPad.

I still love Apple and iOS, but I'm excited about trying a new platform. This is not to say I've jumped to Google, I'm just looking at this as a fan of technology.

lilo777
Jun 27, 2012, 01:34 PM
Nexus Q: A less functional AppleTV, that takes more space and costs 3x as much. Google TV v2.0.

25W amplifier? Seriously? Why bother - anyone that cares about audio quality will already have an amp that is way better.

$400 bookshelf speakers from a company that has exactly zero experience in acoustical engineering? For $250, I could buy a pair of Paradigm bookshelves that are likely to sound much better.

I have nothing to say about the tablet - that might work out for them, but these other two products seem like a longshot.

These are Triad speakers. Here is a text from Triad web site:

Handcrafted in America
Most Triad speakers are built-to-order in Portland, Oregon, and they ship to your Triad dealer within 5 work days. You get the freshest, most current model, built especially for you; not something that’s been sitting in a warehouse for two years. How many speakers are still “Made in the U.S.A.?”

Custom finishes
Most Triad speakers are available in custom paint. Send your authorized Triad dealer a paint number or sample, and we'll nail it. Our veneer finishes are the best in the business, but if you want us to match your wood to a cabinet, floor, etc., we do that, too.

High-end Custom speakers
Triad has the most complete line of premium custom speakers in the world. You can have the sound quality of the best freestanding speakers without the visual clutter. Only Triad has so many solutions.

SirLance99
Jun 27, 2012, 01:35 PM
Parachuting down to Moscone. From a blimp. Wearing Glass. In a hangout.

Your argument is invalid.

4God
Jun 27, 2012, 01:35 PM
Kindle Fire = Kills Kindle
Nexus 7 = Kills Kindle Fire, Kindle
Surface = Kills Nexus 7, Kindle Fire, Kindle
iPad = Kills them all


Google wants to be like Apple so bad it's pathetic...

Go ahead and flame, it's my opinion.

Patriot24
Jun 27, 2012, 01:36 PM
Because it's "Made in USA". Now for all the people whining about manufacturing moving to Asia, put your money where your mouth is !

Prepare for disappointment.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for jobs to come back to the U.S. and for us to become a manufacturing powerhouse again. Unfortunately, I also know enough to know that people aren't going to (quietly) pay premiums for products just because they have the "Made in the U.S.A.!" sticker on them.

I'd love to be proven wrong.

nefan65
Jun 27, 2012, 01:36 PM
Because it's "Made in USA". Now for all the people whining about manufacturing moving to Asia, put your money where your mouth is !

I've never whined. I gladly pay, and will continue to pay [less] for products made overseas, or outsourced. Quality products made in the U.S. will alway be more expensive, due to labor costs; nothing more than that really.

dokujaryu
Jun 27, 2012, 01:36 PM
I've had a Tegra 3 device with a 12 core GPU at that screen resolution and it's not really anything special. At that price, I have to believe they are going with the 1.2 Ghz version of the SoC, which would be even less impressive. Yes, it was faster than my iPhone 4, but it didn't feel any different than the iPhone 4S or the iPad 3rd gen. So, yeah, I wouldn't be all jumping up and down about the performance of Tegra 3, especially in the battery draining department. Honestly, I think I'd be more excited if it had a Snapdragon S4 with Adreno 225.

A 7" IPS display is really interesting to me. I felt like the Verizon Galaxy Tab 7.7" Super AMOLED+ was a bit of a compromise. We'll have to see how good it is when reviewed.

The device is just ugly. I'd pay another $100 for something that was all metal or at least polycarbonate PAINTED to look and feel like metal. Anodized aluminum would be the best I think. The black slate is boring. Google should mix it up with a pinstripe or something in the bezel to get me interested.

However, and I've been saying this for a while, a 7" LTE device that weighs half as much as the iPad is what I want. So far, only the Galaxy Tab 7.7 goes there, but it's on Android 3.2 and has a SAMOLED HD screen instead of IPS.

At a glance, it's a6/10 with price being its most valuable feature.

firewood
Jun 27, 2012, 01:37 PM
This will kill the current Kindle Fire for those interested mainly in tech specs.

And at half the price, will easily beat the iPad 2 in the most price conscious tablet market segment.

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 01:37 PM
Not so. The problem is the nexus came out in March of 2010 support was canceled October of 2011. 17 months! My IPhone 3G will get many new features in the fall and it's 3 years old. This is how Google gets suckers to keep updating even when there phone could have been updated.

Apple were still selling the iPod Touch 2G 1 month before they killed off its support. All companies do it. Get over yourself, its how software development works.

It is literally like saying "Mountain Lion wont work on my 2011 MacBook Air because I need a minimum of 4GB RAM".

Apple even went as far as limiting features on older devices, which when jailbroken re-enable said features which work perfectly well, despite Apple claiming it was a hardware limitation.

lilo777
Jun 27, 2012, 01:37 PM
Just like Lexus, or Mercedes, right?

We are talking about electronics and audio gear here not cars.

hobo.hopkins
Jun 27, 2012, 01:37 PM
The price is definitely competitive. We'll have to see how people take to it, but it could single-handedly own the Android tablet market.

tdar
Jun 27, 2012, 01:40 PM
The Nexus Q is so expensive because it's manufactured in the USA. Google thinks people have morals and will actually pay more because it's made by well compensated people instead of people in horrible conditions lol!

www.engadget.com/2012/google-q-is-designed-and-manufactured-in-the-u-s-a/

Sadly they will find out that we don't. We want to complain that our jobs have been outsourced, but we're not going to pay more for something because of it. Thanks Wal-Mart.

dashiel
Jun 27, 2012, 01:40 PM
That's because it is nothing like Apple TV. It has Bluetooth and NFC. And it works as 25-watt amplifier.

There are definite advantages to the Q and I quite like the industrial design. One has to ask though if there is a market for it at $300. You’re talking about a customer who has bought in to the Google Play ecosystem – a distant 4th behind Amazon, iTunes and Xbox – but doesn’t have an existing stereo system or is willing to spend the extra money on an amplifier they don’t need. Google is far smarter than me and I would assume has the demographic information to justify the design spec so we’ll see perhaps that market is large enough to support.

garysang
Jun 27, 2012, 01:40 PM
Could not have said it any better, bye bye Kindle Fire adoptions.

I just do not get Nexus Q, aside from an amplifier and price, what is the differentiation from Apple TV? Thing needs 1GB of RAM???

Its made in the United States, for one. From Engadget:
"Google didn't touch on it during its keynote, but The New York Times' John Markoff has the story on one fairly unique feature of its Nexus Q home media device: the base of the unit proudly boasts that it's "Designed and Manufactured in the U.S.A." That includes an unnamed company in the Midwest that manufactures the metal base and another in Southern California that makes the case, while the device itself was reportedly being assembled just last week at a large factory 15 minutes away from Google's HQ. According to Google, it hopes that people will be willing to pay more for the device as a result ($299, if you missed it), but it has no plans to play up the "Made in the U.S.A." angle in its marketing."

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 01:40 PM
The price is definitely competitive. We'll have to see how people take to it, but it could single-handedly own the Android tablet market.

That would actually be a good thing. It'd certainly reduce fragmentation and hopefully settle the platform down about with a consistant UI and consistant hardware performance.

You'll still get the dirt cheap, hardly usable tablets being produced, but you'll never stop that.

GLS
Jun 27, 2012, 01:41 PM
We are talking about electronics and audio gear here not cars.

You pointed out premium goods were made in the US, I didn't. And no mention of the tablet being made in the US, only their softball sized media streamer.

Yamcha
Jun 27, 2012, 01:41 PM
That is pretty impressive for that price range, I would probably buy it..

ethana
Jun 27, 2012, 01:41 PM
I have nothing personally against Google (heck, we're developing Android apps this summer) but the announcements today at Google I/O were very weak. This tablet will go nowhere mainly because Google has no retail presence like Amazon or Apple has, and Android 4.1 is a very incremental update. The best part about Android 4.1 is the "buttery" smooth feel of the OS, which is something the iPhones have had since day one. It felt very ho-hum.

Eidorian
Jun 27, 2012, 01:42 PM
I am curious to see of we get a change in iOS 6 at the "last" minute to enable the same feature.It is possible.

Currently processing power and local storage are the hurdles for speech to text. It appears that the Galaxy Nexus can handle it. I just wonder what the CPU usage is and how much space those libraries take up.

nVidia also just introduced a new flagship variant of Tegra 3 capable of using whopping DDR3-1600 over the old DDR3-667. I expect the Nexus 7 to be using the entry Tegra 3 (T30L). On the mobile front you are still looking at single channel DDR3 and USB 2.0 for the majority of peripheral interfacing.

There was clamoring for Thunderbolt on the iPad or iPhone but what does it matter when the internal flash storage is still connected over USB 2.0? The next major improvement is going to be RAM speed and internal bus speed increases.

Skika
Jun 27, 2012, 01:42 PM
Google giving away Android devices.

Why am i not surprised :rolleyes:

tdar
Jun 27, 2012, 01:42 PM
Just like Lexus, or Mercedes, right?

Nice!

dashiel
Jun 27, 2012, 01:44 PM
at 200$ this thing will sell like hotcakes

Apple needs to release their 7" ipad asap.

Not sure I agree, the value proposition to the average customer just isn’t there. Google’s ecosystem doesn’t have the penetration of brand awareness of Amazon, Apple or Microsoft and in the case of the the Fire after spectacular initial demand sales has dropped off precipitously. Just not sure what the value proposition is over a Samsung 7" or Blackberry PlayBook or other generic 7"

Shrink
Jun 27, 2012, 01:45 PM
I want to vomit. Loathe EVERYTHING Google does.

My, my,my...such a thoughtful, well reasoned, and eloquently expressed opinion.

So impressed with the maturity and rationality of the post!:p

lilweeds
Jun 27, 2012, 01:46 PM
They might sell like ten.

Drunken Master
Jun 27, 2012, 01:46 PM
iOS is a great platform, but for the way I see things, Google has Apple beat when it comes to phone and tablets..

You keep saying that but you don't say why they are so much better.

Oletros
Jun 27, 2012, 01:48 PM
Google giving away Android devices.

Why am i not surprised :rolleyes:

And it is bad?

melendezest
Jun 27, 2012, 01:48 PM
Tablet looks interesting, if a bit derivative. I guess Google is sticking to their "this is our take on iOS devices" design paradigm. Love the black, though. Still, I'll reserve judgment until I get some actual hands-on time, and more information.

For me, three things are paramount:

1. How's the touch interface? Must be as smooth or smoother than Apple's.

2. Apps. Must enable me to do everything I can with an iPad, in an equally or exceedingly pleasurable and enjoyable way.

3. Battery life. Again, Apple sets the bar.

I am too invested in Apple's ecosystem at this point to really want this, but I love ALL tech and would like to give credit when it is due (like Microsoft; kudos for trying something actually different, in both hardware and software design).

diamond.g
Jun 27, 2012, 01:48 PM
It is possible.

Currently processing power and local storage are the hurdles for speech to text. It appears that the Galaxy Nexus can handle it. I just wonder what the CPU usage is and how much space those libraries take up.

nVidia also just introduced a new flagship variant of Tegra 3 capable of using whopping DDR3-1600 over the old DDR3-667. I expect the Nexus 7 to be using the entry Tegra 3 (T30L). On the mobile front you are still looking at single channel DDR3 and USB 2.0 for the majority of peripheral interfacing.

There was clamoring for Thunderbolt on the iPad or iPhone but what does it matter when the internal flash storage is still connected over USB 2.0? The next major improvement is going to be RAM speed and internal bus speed increases.
Average usage of the CPU in the iPhone 4S must be pretty low under most circumstances. I don't see why we can't do it on the device now.
Shoot we have been able to dictate to our computers since 1997 (maybe even longer) with no requirement for internet connection. I would like to believe our iPhone 4S is as powerful as a 1997 PC.

Eidorian
Jun 27, 2012, 01:48 PM
I have nothing personally against Google (heck, we're developing Android apps this summer) but the announcements today at Google I/O were very weak. This tablet will go nowhere mainly because Google has no retail presence like Amazon or Apple has, and Android 4.1 is a very incremental update. The best part about Android 4.1 is the "buttery" smooth feel of the OS, which is something the iPhones have had since day one. It felt very ho-hum.Average Joe just can not enjoy words like "V-sync", "120 FPS", and "Triple-buffering".

ristlin
Jun 27, 2012, 01:49 PM
Apple were still selling the iPod Touch 2G 1 month before they killed off its support. All companies do it. Get over yourself, its how software development works.

It is literally like saying "Mountain Lion wont work on my 2011 MacBook Air because I need a minimum of 4GB RAM".

Apple even went as far as limiting features on older devices, which when jailbroken re-enable said features which work perfectly well, despite Apple claiming it was a hardware limitation.

Choosing not to add a new feature on an older device and stopping support are two different things.

I was still getting updates on my original iPhone up until I got the 4S. That's considered "support." That I couldn't use Siri is completely different. Is it fair? I'd say so, the guys paying for the new device should get some things that I can't get.

evalex
Jun 27, 2012, 01:49 PM
Just like Lexus, or Mercedes, right?

Actually, yes. Both of those companies manufacture most of their US market cars in US facilities. My mom has a Mercedes that was put together in Alabama. It's a lot cheaper than shipping a complete car across the ocean.

It's actually quite funny when people argue about buying "foreign" cars that "take jobs away from Americans." Foreign car companies employ more Americans and do more of their manufacturing and assembly in the United States than any of the Big 3 US automakers do. This goes for just about all of the Japanese car companies and some of the big German ones.

On the other hand- GM, Ford, and Chrysler have historically done the bulk of their manufacture of cars destined for sale in the USA in Canada and Latin America.

ristlin
Jun 27, 2012, 01:50 PM
And it is bad?

When its packed with advertisements? Maybe.

PDFierro
Jun 27, 2012, 01:51 PM
You keep saying that but you don't say why they are so much better.

What they introduced today and have built up over the past year with their software and the Google Play store, etc.

Do I really need to go in-depth on why I prefer their software and Nexus line to iOS and the iPad? I could, but I thought we all were on here because we researched that already.

It's all about preference. Some platforms suit people better.

Eidorian
Jun 27, 2012, 01:51 PM
Average usage of the CPU in the iPhone 4S must be pretty low under most circumstances. I don't see why we can't do it on the device now.
Shoot we have been able to dictate to our computers since 1997 (maybe even longer) with no requirement for internet connection. I would like to believe our iPhone 4S is as powerful as a 1997 PC.True, even Dragon's latest requirements are in the Core 2 Duo era. (Having a dual core DOES benefit.)

That leaves the size of the dictation libraries and more so on a portable device.

DakotaGuy
Jun 27, 2012, 01:51 PM
I smell an Apple lawsuit coming in 4...3...2...

aristotle
Jun 27, 2012, 01:53 PM
I hope the Nexus Q gains the installed base of Apple TV. It seems it has a lot of potential and I might just pick one up.
It has potential? It costs 3X of the Apple TV.

hayesk
Jun 27, 2012, 01:54 PM
Good for you. Care to share a logical reason for your somewhat childish view other than "they know I went shopping last thursday because they recorded my location"?

OK, they read my email to target unwanted advertising at me. I'd rather pay for a service that doesn't do that.

I'm not sure what makes his view childish.

Bawsh
Jun 27, 2012, 01:54 PM
I have nothing personally against Google (heck, we're developing Android apps this summer) but the announcements today at Google I/O were very weak. This tablet will go nowhere mainly because Google has no retail presence like Amazon or Apple has, and Android 4.1 is a very incremental update. The best part about Android 4.1 is the "buttery" smooth feel of the OS, which is something the iPhones have had since day one. It felt very ho-hum.

Android 4.1 is an "incremental" update because that's what updates by ".1" usually are. Apple's iOS6, however, is what I would call a small update and think should be iOS5.2. The reason the iPhone has been "butter smooth" since day one is because they don't need much power to run and aren't as "resource-heavy" as Android, especially in multitasking.

brightstarbeing
Jun 27, 2012, 01:55 PM
Is it just me, or does the Nexus Q logo look suspiciously familiar?...:rolleyes:

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 01:56 PM
OK, they read my email to target unwanted advertising at me. I'd rather pay for a service that doesn't do that.

I'm not sure what makes his view childish.

No they did not read your email. You say that as if some guy is sitting there watching you. The ads are based on keywords AUTOMATICALLY picked up. The ads are also non-identifiable.

Seriously, why is this an issue? It's no different to you seeing an iAd advert relevant to the app you have open on your iPad/iPhone.

hayesk
Jun 27, 2012, 01:56 PM
That's what a lot of people said when the iPad was first introduced.


And the correct response was "the 10 inch screen makes it a good size for productivity based applications and not pocket-sized proxy versions of larger screen apps."

The small 7" screen precludes it from becoming a good productivity device (although feel free to prove me wrong), but, dare I say it, it does make it a good content consumption device. But I'm perfectly willing to be proven wrong.

samcraig
Jun 27, 2012, 01:57 PM
The Nexus Q is so expensive because it's manufactured in the USA. Google thinks people have morals and will actually pay more because it's made by well compensated people instead of people in horrible conditions lol!

www.engadget.com/2012/google-q-is-designed-and-manufactured-in-the-u-s-a/

Sorry - you're laughing at the idea that Google is employing U.S. workers to make their products? Wow.

Cloud is fine if you have connectivity, but this is a WiFi only device.
8GB is pathetic.
16GB is usable, but I know that I personally would fill it up rather quickly.
Since they don't offer larger capacities, having an external memory card slot would have been a nice feature to have.
But I have to remember... Nexus devices have never been cutting edge.

Ok - the iPod Touch comes in 16gig and doesn't have 3g. Is that a fail? And Apple has never offered external storage options.

So again - I don't see how you can call Google a fail with this product without saying Apple also failed. Not that I expect you to. I don't think either company or product is a fail. Especially the one that hasn't even been released yet.

ethana
Jun 27, 2012, 01:59 PM
Android 4.1 is an "incremental" update because that's what updates by ".1" usually are. Apple's iOS6, however, is what I would call a small update and think should be iOS5.2. The reason the iPhone has been "butter smooth" since day one is because they don't need much power to run and aren't as "resource-heavy" as Android, especially in multitasking.

I understand this. I'm a developer.

wolfpackfan
Jun 27, 2012, 02:00 PM
I have to say I'm very impressed with the Google tablet. I am looking for a replacement for my iPad 1 and have been wanting a 7" form factor. So I guess I'll just wait and see if Apple comes out with a smaller iPad. If not, I'm going to get the Google Tablet.

barkomatic
Jun 27, 2012, 02:00 PM
From the perspective of a non-techie consumer, there is little to differentiate this tablet from the Kindle Fire or Nook. Yes, the specs are generally better and I'm sure the tablet runs much smoother, but its really just a vessel to deliver content to a consumer who doesn't care about hardware or even the operating system. They just want something to read a book, watch a movie, or play a game on in an uncomplicated way. Gaming would probably be better on this device but lets not forget an update to the Kindle Fire is on its way soon as well.

That being said, I would have loved to have purchased this device as my stop gap measure while waiting for the iPad 3. :)

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 02:00 PM
Is it just me, or does the Nexus Q logo look suspiciously familiar?...:rolleyes:

Its just you. They look nothing alike other than they share a common first letter ...Q

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=345425&stc=1&d=1340823629

wovel
Jun 27, 2012, 02:01 PM
Sorry - you're laughing at the idea that Google is employing U.S. workers to make their products? Wow.




We know the base and case are made in the US. We know it is assembled in the US. Where are the chips made? Where is the board built? I think the answers to those questions will show how far they have fallen from the "Do No Evil" slogan.

buffalo
Jun 27, 2012, 02:01 PM
I am an Android fan because of Verizon's LTE and because it is a more open OS. For example, I can use the FoxFi app to create a wifi network using my unlimited data, without having to sign up and pay the extra fee verizon charges. That's something (I'm under the impression) iPhone cannot do.

Androids big failure is lack of updates. I'm still waiting for my Droid Bionic to be upgraded to 4.0. There's no word on when that update will come. I'm tempted to purchase a Galaxy S3. However, how long (if ever) will it take for the S3 to receive the Jelly Bean update...

Oletros
Jun 27, 2012, 02:01 PM
When its packed with advertisements? Maybe.

What advertisements?

inkswamp
Jun 27, 2012, 02:03 PM
It actually looks surprisingly good for a Google product, but am I missing something or is this really WiFi-only? If so, that counts as a fatal flaw, IMO. What on earth is Google thinking hobbling a mobile device by not including mobile connectivity? Strange omission.

melendezest
Jun 27, 2012, 02:03 PM
Yeah, why use a name that conjures up images of female privates? Apple is so much smarter than that.

Image (http://cdn3.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ipad-pads.jpg)

LOL. Nice! I remember seeing a Mad TV or Saturday Night Live skit (I can't remember which) making fun of "iPad" in a similar way (although it wasn't the tablet). :D

I also found the name amusing, especially when combined with the Mac: Macs iPad (Maxipad for those that don't get it)

However, I agree with Apple in the iPad's name; its similarity and identity with the iPod name is obvious and catchy. A near-perfect product, perfectly marketed.

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 02:04 PM
When its packed with advertisements? Maybe.

Shows how clued up you are. Android has zero adverts on it, and doesn't even make its money from adverts. Google profit from Android by licensing the 'GAPPS' package, which is basically the Google apps (Gmail, GCal, Maps (includes an API license), Google Play, etc).

Next time think before making yourself look highly uneducated.

eelpout
Jun 27, 2012, 02:04 PM
Nexus Q: Look at the Logitech SqueezeBox Touch (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems) and that line of products. It's also $299. Is it overpriced?

Obese Lobsters
Jun 27, 2012, 02:04 PM
I still don't think that the nexus will sell very well. For this market I would still place my bets on the kindle fire. Amazon has done a good job in marketing and i think the skinned UI of android will be much more appealing for the average user.

notjustjay
Jun 27, 2012, 02:06 PM
For me, three things are paramount:

1. How's the touch interface? Must be as smooth or smoother than Apple's.

2. Apps. Must enable me to do everything I can with an iPad, in an equally or exceedingly pleasurable and enjoyable way.

3. Battery life. Again, Apple sets the bar.


Just as long as you keep in mind that this tablet is half the price of the iPad 2, when you make those judgements. You can't expect it to meet or exceed Apple's standards and also still cost half the price, or you're intentionally setting up the product to fail in your mind.

PDFierro
Jun 27, 2012, 02:06 PM
It actually looks surprisingly good for a Google product, but am I missing something or is this really WiFi-only? If so, that counts as a fatal flaw, IMO. What on earth is Google thinking hobbling a mobile device by not including mobile connectivity? Strange omission.

It's not a strange omission. They had to do that to keep the price low. Just like the Kindle Fire. But here, I don't think being WiFi-only will hurt it too much. Google has a good set of features where you won't miss the 3G/4G too much.

maflynn
Jun 27, 2012, 02:07 PM
Androids big failure is lack of updates. I'm still waiting for my Droid Bionic to be upgraded to 4.0. There's no word on when that update will come. I'm tempted to purchase a Galaxy S3. However, how long (if ever) will it take for the S3 to receive the Jelly Bean update...
That's not android/googles fault. That's your carrier's fault.

This is why the next android phone I get will be a nexus phone - that way you get the OS directly from google.

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 02:08 PM
It's not a strange omission. They had to do that to keep the price low. Just like the Kindle Fire. But here, I don't think being WiFi-only will hurt it too much. Google has a good set of features where you won't miss the 3G/4G too much.

Ditto. Also if its anything like other Android tablets, there are a few 3rd party 3g dongles that work with them.

IMO you're better off with a MyFi anyway if you really need 3G - that way you're not tied down to a single device with your connection.

apolloa
Jun 27, 2012, 02:10 PM
Hmmm, well I have to first say that for a press conference, it pretty much destroyed any that Apple have done, using sky divers and stunt cyclists and abseiling to introduce and demo a bleeding edge prototype was pretty exciting! especially when it's live!!

Still don't get what the glass is about, hopefully the dev community can find out? As for the Q, I think it's pretty cool, but also a me to? With the Apple TV? It will need to work with an app on iOS to be complete but it's still competing directly with iTunes and Netflix etc etc etc etc....

As for the tablet, looks great, fantastic spec, awesome price, boring user experience? I loved my vanilla Android 4 Chinese tab, but personally I think I would prefer the Kindle interface and experience? So I found the Nexus a bit meh.
Google certainly won't have to worry about Apple at that price point, and anyone who thinks Apple will sell a mini iPad below £250 to £300 in the UK is just dumb (the 8GB Nexus 7 is £159).

However, this year is ALL about tablets it seems, IMO they outshine phones in announcements.

So we have iPad 3, Microsoft Surface which seems to be a lot more like a full PC regardless of the version, now the Nexus 7, and the rumours are hotting up for an Amazon event at the end of next month for the new Kindle tablet or tablets..

Obese Lobsters
Jun 27, 2012, 02:10 PM
Nexus Q: Look at the Logitech SqueezeBox Touch (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems) and that line of products. It's also $299. Is it overpriced?

First the squeezebox line starts off much cheaper. However looking only at the squeezebox touch one can immediately justify the price (the large touch screen). The nexus q reminds me of the apple hifi, I believe the nexus q will go in the same direction as the apple hifi as the design does not tell the user what it does. At least the apple hifi looked like a large speaker

steviem
Jun 27, 2012, 02:12 PM
It's commendable that they are manufacturing the Q in the US. It also shows the premium attached to manufacturing electronics in the US. Let's see whether people's money is where there mouths are when it's released...

sesnir
Jun 27, 2012, 02:12 PM
Google profit from Android

Funny. They lost almost 100 million on Android in 2010. I'm not sure they profit from it even now...

aristotle
Jun 27, 2012, 02:14 PM
No they did not read your email. You say that as if some guy is sitting there watching you. The ads are based on keywords AUTOMATICALLY picked up. The ads are also non-identifiable.

Seriously, why is this an issue? It's no different to you seeing an iAd advert relevant to the app you have open on your iPad/iPhone.
While "some guy" did not necessarily read his email, a service running on the google emails dod "scan" or "read" the email looking for keywords. That is a violation of privacy and most people would assume that you would at least not have code running looking for keywords in your emails.

An iAd is different. It is not based your activity in the app but rather the app itself which you make a conscious choice to download and then run.

maflynn
Jun 27, 2012, 02:14 PM
Google profit from Android by licensing the 'GAPPS' package, which is basically the Google apps (Gmail, GCal, Maps (includes an API license), Google Play, etc)
I believe google is still losing money on google. Its true they receive income for the licensing, but its not enough to cover the money they spend on android.

utahman130
Jun 27, 2012, 02:15 PM
Seems like Google is really trying to compete with Amazon's Kindle Fire with the Nexus 7. Same size, shape, and price. But it will be way better because it can get the Android Market without rooting for one thing! And, you can get the Kindle app as well ;)

The Q looks pretty promising. I have an original Roku, and I have to have MAMP, which basically lets me have a mini-server, and RoConnect on my Roku, then upload everything I want to stream. The Q's design is really cool, but I think I would go with an Apple TV because the Q is only for Android, but I think they will release an iOS app. Also, Apple TV support AirPlay mirroring for when I get my new iPhone 5 this fall :D. The Q mirror Android devices?? :confused:

Sedrick
Jun 27, 2012, 02:16 PM
I really don't think there's a decent market for another tablet. They're just not that useful when it gets down to it and if you are going to get one, you'll get an iPad.

It's only a 'consuming' device to begin with. Typing on one is painfully inefficient, they don't work on half the web and you can't run anything on them but 'apps', and half the apps are painful imitations of something you'd rather really do on PC. (Using mine just makes me long for a decent laptop)

Google should just concede the 'pad' market and get into something else. They'll probably never make any money at it.

TwitchOSX
Jun 27, 2012, 02:16 PM
This makes my iPod Touch that I just got for $200 seem inadequate.

First off, this thing has a quad core CPU (iPad only has 2 cores). That's nice. 7" screen? Nice. I'm thinking this is going to eat a LOT of iPod Touch sales. They are going to have to drop the price on the iPod Touch to $150 or less and come out with a smaller iPad to match this thing.

As much as I love Apple and iOS, I also don't HATE Googles OS and might have picked up one of these over an iPod Touch. Hate to say that but thats how it is. Way more bang for the buck than an iPod Touch.

GQB
Jun 27, 2012, 02:17 PM
Nexus 7 tablet sounds amazing especially for $199. Still love my iPad 3 but I think I'll start recommending the nexus tablet to friends and family when they're looking of a tablet device. $199 is a steal. Google done good.

Glad I'm not amongst your friends or family.
You gonna be their support system?

Flitzy
Jun 27, 2012, 02:18 PM
Yawn.

What happens if Google gives a presentation and nobody cares?

eelpout
Jun 27, 2012, 02:18 PM
First the squeezebox line starts off much cheaper. However looking only at the squeezebox touch one can immediately justify the price (the large touch screen). The nexus q reminds me of the apple hifi, I believe the nexus q will go in. The same direction as the apple hifi as the design does not tell the user what it does. At least the apple hifi looked like a large speaker
With the Q being made in the USA and having a small 25 watt amp, the costs are probably a wash compared to the Touch. And it's cheaper than the Transporter SE (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/transporter-se). ;)

SurferMan
Jun 27, 2012, 02:19 PM
I am an Android fan because of Verizon's LTE and because it is a more open OS. For example, I can use the FoxFi app to create a wifi network using my unlimited data, without having to sign up and pay the extra fee verizon charges. That's something (I'm under the impression) iPhone cannot do.

Androids big failure is lack of updates. I'm still waiting for my Droid Bionic to be upgraded to 4.0. There's no word on when that update will come. I'm tempted to purchase a Galaxy S3. However, how long (if ever) will it take for the S3 to receive the Jelly Bean update...Root and flash, custom Roms (the good ones) are better anyway as the developers make them clean and fast with additional features and cool bits here and there. Stock ICS for example is fine, great OS, but the custom ICS Rom I'm on is much better.

JohnDoe98
Jun 27, 2012, 02:19 PM
Looks nice. If it runs smooth, I'd say this will be a hit for google. I still prefer my ipad 3 but I can see a bunch of people going for this instead. Impressive screen, decent battery, build quality seem good, and the price is very aggressive.

For the first time, I'll say well done Google. Welcome to the Tablet market.

yeah
Jun 27, 2012, 02:21 PM
Here's the problem. Yeah, yeah Google released their own tablet, but how many apps will be able to support the tablet?

It's all about apps/OS, not the hardware.

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 02:22 PM
Funny. They lost almost 100 million on Android in 2010. I'm not sure they profit from it even now...

I believe google is still losing money on google. Its true they receive income for the licensing, but its not enough to cover the money they spend on android.

Fair enough, however my point was more along the lines of Android doesn't have adverts and never has - still find it bizarre that people play that card.

Oletros
Jun 27, 2012, 02:22 PM
That is a violation of privacy and most people would assume that you would at least not have code running looking for keywords in your emails.

Under what law is a violation of privacy?

maflynn
Jun 27, 2012, 02:22 PM
Here's the problem. Yeah, yeah Google released their own tablet, but how many apps will be able to support the tablet?

It's all about apps/OS, not the hardware.

That logic worked up until the Kindle fire which really took off. I can't say if google got its ducks in a row, but it sounds like they are making sure the content is there for the consumers.

Oletros
Jun 27, 2012, 02:23 PM
Yawn.

What happens if Google gives a presentation and nobody cares?

Yap, nobody cared :rolleyes::rolleyes:

melendezest
Jun 27, 2012, 02:23 PM
Just as long as you keep in mind that this tablet is half the price of the iPad 2, when you make those judgements. You can't expect it to meet or exceed Apple's standards and also still cost half the price, or you're intentionally setting up the product to fail in your mind.

Price is not an issue for me in this case, as I said before. But clearly, it is for you. In this situation consider value instead. If the Nexus (or any) tablet does not meet the criteria I specified, then its value is 0, regardless of price.

I believe that this is a significant difference between the typical Apple customer and those who complain about their prices. An Apple customer sees the value in how Apple (or any company, really) implements their ideas (in hardware and software) and makes the purchasing decision based on that, not on actual price alone. In this case, I define "value" as price x features. They must be considered together.

As such, they (like myself) rather save up to purchase an Apple product than to save money to get something that is cheaper, but does the same thing, just not as well.

So, yes, I must expect it to meet or exceed Apple's standards, because to me it's not worth it if it doesn't.

lifeinhd
Jun 27, 2012, 02:23 PM
The iPad will be fine.

But the Fire just got extinguished.

;)

Lindsford
Jun 27, 2012, 02:24 PM
My main gripe is amount of internal storage and no micro sd.

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 02:25 PM
While "some guy" did not necessarily read his email, a service running on the google emails dod "scan" or "read" the email looking for keywords. That is a violation of privacy and most people would assume that you would at least not have code running looking for keywords in your emails.

An iAd is different. It is not based your activity in the app but rather the app itself which you make a conscious choice to download and then run.

Its actually not a violation of privacy.

Take Facebook. Facebook serves up ads based on your likes, interests, post content, etc.

Yahoo Mail serves up ads exactly the same was as Gmail, as does Hotmail - both were doing this years before Gmail existed.

Explain to me the actual violation here. What are you loosing by having these ads personalised? Are you less well off because of it? No. Its a way of paying for a service. If you aren't happy paying via ads, then go with a paid mail service.

Or just use POP3/SMTP and you'll never have to see an advert. OR just do what 99% of gmail users do - dont let something as pathetic as a bit of text ruin your life.

d3bruts1d
Jun 27, 2012, 02:26 PM
But the Fire just got extinguished.

;)

I really don't think so. That is, assuming that the Fire2 is around the corner. I could see Amazon releasing something similar to the Nexus at a lower price. Perhaps keeping the original fire around at a heavy discount with ads.

JohnDoe98
Jun 27, 2012, 02:26 PM
Here's the problem. Yeah, yeah Google released their own tablet, but how many apps will be able to support the tablet?

It's all about apps/OS, not the hardware.

If you build it, they will come.

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 02:26 PM
Here's the problem. Yeah, yeah Google released their own tablet, but how many apps will be able to support the tablet?

It's all about apps/OS, not the hardware.

Generally older apps will work fine on it. Its the new ones that'll have to support it. However as long as they support the likes of the galaxy tab range it'll work fine.

xkmxkmxlmx
Jun 27, 2012, 02:27 PM
Here's the problem. Yeah, yeah Google released their own tablet, but how many apps will be able to support the tablet?

It's all about apps/OS, not the hardware.

Huh? Isn't Android based? It will have access to the entire Android app market, right?

URFloorMatt
Jun 27, 2012, 02:29 PM
Apple TV has Bluetooth 4.0 in its chipset, just it isn't activated. I'm sorry, but a 25 watt amp and and NFC doesn't warrant a $200 premium.Why would I even need these things in my living room?

rmwebs
Jun 27, 2012, 02:30 PM
Still don't get what the glass is about, hopefully the dev community can find out?

Glass is undescribably awesome. Seriously, it really is a whole new monster. Imagine a HUD while you walk around, with a camera built in so you can look at something and it takes a photo.

Its clearly still under heavy development, but its looking awesome.

Take a look at this as it gives a small insight: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/sergey-brin-demos-project-glass-on-stage-at-google-i-o/

Here's the concept video from a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6W4CCU9M4

samcraig
Jun 27, 2012, 02:30 PM
Huh? Isn't Android based? It will have access to the entire Android app market, right?

Shhhhhh. No one wants your silly logic here ;)

tbrinkma
Jun 27, 2012, 02:31 PM
Huh? Isn't Android based? It will have access to the entire Android app market, right?

Yep. With all the brand new apps that take advantage of features introduced as recently as 2.3! :D

notabadname
Jun 27, 2012, 02:31 PM
Not impressed. The Kindle certainly seems like a better value for the size, and a 16GB Refurb iPad 2 can be easily had on BestBuy.com for $299

Obese Lobsters
Jun 27, 2012, 02:33 PM
With the Q being made in the USA and having a small 25 watt amp, the costs are probably a wash compared to the Touch. And it's cheaper than the Transporter SE (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/transporter-se). ;)

The nexus q just seems so similar to the apple hifi sans speakers. If this was going to compete the selling point shouldn't he the 25 watt amp, like the apple hifi the sound should be the selling point so I think at that price speakers should have been included, especially if a social playlist is the selling point. I don't see made in USA as a great selling point either as google isn't associated with luxury products.

guspasho
Jun 27, 2012, 02:35 PM
What use is NFC on the Nexus Q?

Renzatic
Jun 27, 2012, 02:36 PM
Tell me if the video in the link doesn't look like video from Apple. Copy much???

Apple invented going up on stage to talk about things. Everyone knows this. They even have a patent for it. Way to copy, Google! LOL FAIL! You're going to jail!

Okay, making fun of people for obviously wrong and dumb opinions aside, I think it's a pretty snazzy little device. Asus made, almost ridiculously low priced, yet still a sturdy, quality product. Even though I have a constantly used iPad lying around, I'm tempted to pick one up.

Not impressed. The Kindle certainly seems like a better value for the size, and a 16GB Refurb iPad 2 can be easily had on BestBuy.com for $299

Hardwarewise, the nexus trumps both the Fire, and the furb iPad 2 for the exact same price. Why would anyone consider a previously used repaired iPad and the weaker, comparatively limited Kindle Fire a better buy for the same price?

Obese Lobsters
Jun 27, 2012, 02:40 PM
Glass is undescribably awesome. Seriously, it really is a whole new monster. Imagine a HUD while you walk around, with a camera built in so you can look at something and it takes a photo.

Its clearly still under heavy development, but its looking awesome.

Take a look at this as it gives a small insight: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/sergey-brin-demos-project-glass-on-stage-at-google-i-o/

Here's the concept video from a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6W4CCU9M4

I understand how neat glass is but I think the real question is how's the device realistically working? I mean if the glasses are the only device you have to carry for the experience to work that would be amazing, however I do not believe this to the the case.
I think that at best the glasses relay the information from an android phone via NFC meaning the glasses would be a supplementary device to the phone. If thats the case why wear the classes instead of pulling out your phone.
I dont mean to be so down on google but their products must be looked realistically and if the glasses only supplement the phone experience what's the selling point. Wont these end up like bluetooth headsets?

JohnDoe98
Jun 27, 2012, 02:42 PM
Hardwarewise, the nexus trumps both the Fire, and the furb iPad 2 for the exact same price. Why would anyone consider a previously used, and repaired iPad and the weaker, comparatively limited Kindle Fire a better buy for the same price?

Can you explain to me why this trumps the ipad 2? It isn't obvious to me, in fact I think they are pretty comperable.

dba415
Jun 27, 2012, 02:42 PM
Gotta love MacRumors, the sure sign that apple fanboys feel threatened is when they decide to bash the opposition continuously. By the way this thread is going, apple fanboys are threatened. Similar to how the Surface thread went.

Don't even try to deny it.

mojothemonkey
Jun 27, 2012, 02:44 PM
Not impressed. The Kindle certainly seems like a better value for the size, and a 16GB Refurb iPad 2 can be easily had on BestBuy.com for $299

This is for power users. The kindle fire sucks for the same reason the ipad sucks, in the eyes of people who like to tinker and configue - you're basically using a glorified app launcher that is loosely called an OS.

This will give you the raw Android OS, with all of its customizeability and cooperative, cross-app functionality. I mean come on, the desire for one of these can be driven by something as simple as wanting to install a software keyboard of your choice.

----------

Can you explain to me why this trumps the ipad 2? It isn't obvious to me, in fact I think they are pretty comperable.

When he says "hardware-wise" I'm pretty sure he's referring to the processing power. On that note, he's correct in giving the advantage to the quad core Tegra chip.

Twixt
Jun 27, 2012, 02:44 PM
1. Not enough local storage. Even if expandable you need more so you don't need to expand. Don't always expect online/cloud to be available.

2. Battery Life?

Though I like price tag, it comes at the expense of storage size. 16 GB is ridiculously small !!
I need 256 GB, best case even more, where and when could we get descent memory size ?! :/

JohnDoe98
Jun 27, 2012, 02:45 PM
This is for power users. The kindle fire sucks for the same reason the ipad sucks, in the eyes of people who like to tinker and configue - you're basically using a glorified app launcher that is loosely called an OS.

This will give you the raw Android OS, with all of its customizeability and cooperative, cross-app functionality. I mean come on, the desire for one of these can be driven by something as simple as wanting to install a software keyboard of your choice..

still no flash though?

As for your second point, smaller screen, no cellular and shorter battery life still make the ipad 2 a good competitor hardware wise, I'd say

wovel
Jun 27, 2012, 02:46 PM
I understand how neat glass is but I think the real question is how's the device realistically working? I mean if the glasses are the only device you have to carry for the experience to work that would be amazing, however I do not believe this to the the case.
I think that at best the glasses relay the information from an android phone via NFC meaning the glasses would be a supplementary device to the phone. If thats the case why wear the classes instead of pulling out your phone.
I dont mean to be so down on google but their products must be looked realistically and if the glasses only supplement the phone experience what's the selling point. Wont these end up like bluetooth headsets?

I think it is neat too, but I am not sure glass itself would every really take off. I think it has some potential as a starting point. It is actually the first original thing Google has done, we should give them some credit. It is hard to go out on take the risk on an entirely new type of product.

Glideslope
Jun 27, 2012, 02:46 PM
Good for you. Care to share a logical reason for your somewhat childish view other than "they know I went shopping last thursday because they recorded my location"?

What is it with you Britt's and Apple? Not being very Cheeky.
It's like Apple is a Bespoken Enemy?

Blimey, I'd say you were going to drop a Biggie over it Old Boy. ;)

Twixt
Jun 27, 2012, 02:46 PM
Here's the problem. Yeah, yeah Google released their own tablet, but how many apps will be able to support the tablet?

It's all about apps/OS, not the hardware.

AAPL is no more no less than an hardware selling company...
iOS is just an anecdote to well serve the previous described purpose!

wolfpackfan
Jun 27, 2012, 02:50 PM
Seems like Google is really trying to compete with Amazon's Kindle Fire with the Nexus 7. Same size, shape, and price. But it will be way better because it can get the Android Market without rooting for one thing! And, you can get the Kindle app as well ;)


Exactly. That is what has kept me from getting a Kindle Fire or a Nook Tablet. With the Nexus 7, you will be able to ready books purchased both from Amazon, B&N and Google. You can't do that with either the Kindle or Nook. To me this is a biggie as I now do all my reading on the iPad using these apps and have purchased books for both.

steviem
Jun 27, 2012, 02:50 PM
What is it with you Britt's and Apple? Not being very Cheeky.
It's like Apple is a Bespoken Enemy?

Blimey, I'd say you were going to drop a Biggie over it Old Boy. ;)

What's a Britt?

gnasher729
Jun 27, 2012, 02:51 PM
Because Google is a premium brand. Apple has become too ubiquitous.

Google is a premium brand? You make me laugh.

Nobody pays for anything with "Google" on it. To customers, "Google" is free (in reality, paid for with advertisement).

Renzatic
Jun 27, 2012, 02:52 PM
Can you explain to me why this trumps the ipad 2? It isn't obvious to me, in fact I think they are pretty comperable.

A just released 7" quad core Tegra 3 tablet for $249 vs. the older iPad 2 for $399 (comparing 16GB to 16GB here). If I were still out shopping for a tablet, I'd either get this as the best bang for the buck option, or spend the extra $100, and get an iPad 3.

Fraaaa
Jun 27, 2012, 02:53 PM
What use is NFC on the Nexus Q?

Probably to share stuff with the Galaxy SIII by touching it.

AAPL is no more no less than an hardware selling company...
iOS is just an anecdote to well serve the previous described purpose!

It's both, at most Apple is a software company providing their own hardware.

mojothemonkey
Jun 27, 2012, 02:53 PM
still no flash though?

As for your second point, smaller screen, no cellular and shorter battery life still make the ipad 2 a good competitor hardware wise, I'd say

the smaller screen is a plus for some people for portability. That's a preference issue.

Cellular-equipped ipads cost a lot more than the prices shown here.

battery life is still to TBD.

tech4all
Jun 27, 2012, 02:55 PM
You can tell schools out now!

I want to vomit. Loathe EVERYTHING Google does.

Oh get over it child. :rolleyes:

Jelly Bean is slang for clitoris . . . seems a strange name choice.

Advertising slogan: You've got to be a complete and utter c*** to have a Jelly Bean.

Yea and pu$$y cat be another name for all of these big cats for OS X.


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Google is a premium brand? You make me laugh.

Nobody pays for anything with "Google" on it. To customers, "Google" is free (in reality, paid for with advertisement).

Still a brand though.

Menneisyys2
Jun 27, 2012, 02:56 PM
Do folks think these are for real or are we looking at another Zune-like failure?

The $200 tablet will sell like hot cakes, that's for sure. It's so much better than anything in the same or somewhat higher price category (Fire or Samsung Tab 2 7"). $200 isn't much money, particularly not for a IPS 1280*800 screen and a quad core CPU - even diehard iOS fans will surely think of picking up one.

crawler1975
Jun 27, 2012, 02:56 PM
Image (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/27/google-announces-199-nexus-7-tablet-299-nexus-q-media-streamer/)


At its Google I/O conference today, Google unveiled several new products intended to compete in the tablet and home entertainment markets, squarely targeting Apple's iPad and its rumored push into the living room for which the Apple TV has served as a foothold.

Google's presentation began with a spotlight on Android, noting that it is now activating more than one million Android devices per day and showing off Android 4.1 "Jelly Bean". The new version of the operating system offers a number of enhancements, including a faster interface, cleaner home screen design with resizable widgets, offline voice dictation, a new camera app, enhanced notifications, Siri-like voice search, and more.

A new "Google Now" feature keeps tracks of users' locations to automatically offer information relevant to their real-life experiences, whether it be information on subway schedules, menu recommendations at a restaurant, or other situations.

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/nexus_7_banner.jpg)


As for Google's hardware announcements, they leaked out ahead of time through the company's own Google Play site, which confirmed (http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3120884/google-nexus-7-first-image-leak) that the Google Nexus 7 will be an ASUS-manufactured tablet priced at $199 for 8 GB of storage and $249 for 16 GB of storage. The device's 7-inch IPS display offers 1280x800 pixels and a 1.2-megapixel front-facing camera is included. The Nexus 7 will use a quad-core Tegra 3 processor and incorporate Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and NFC connectivity.

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/nexus_q_banner.jpg)


On the home entertainment front, rumors from earlier this year (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/09/google-working-on-wireless-home-entertainment-system/) are coming to fruition today with the introduction of the Google Nexus Q (http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3120194/google-nexus-q-home-media-streamer), a spherical $299 "social streaming media player". The Nexus Q will allow users to wirelessly stream music, video, and YouTube content to their home entertainment systems. Also serving as an amplifier, the Nexus Q can be connected directly to speaker systems such as Google's new $399 Triad speakers (http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/27/3120951/google-play-399-99-triad-speakers).

Google's keynote is still ongoing, and we will update this post with additional information as it is released.

Article Link: Google Announces $199 Nexus 7 Tablet, $299 Nexus Q Media Streamer (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/27/google-announces-199-nexus-7-tablet-299-nexus-q-media-streamer/)



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I doubt if this will make a dent on Ipad sales... Personally I think the Surface have a fighting chance to compete with the Ipad...

JohnDoe98
Jun 27, 2012, 02:57 PM
A just released 7" quad core Tegra 3 tablet for $249 vs. the older iPad 2 for $399 (comparing 16GB to 16GB here). If I were still out shopping for a tablet, I'd either get this as the best bang for the buck option, or spend the extra $100, and get an iPad 3.

Do people care that much for hardware specs like quad core tegra 3? The ipad 2 still runs very fast, has a bigger screen, and better battery life. You are right regarding "bang for buck" though, but in the bang for buck considerations software plays a great deal. Anyway, I do foresee this beeing rather successful. By the time the surface comes to market, almost everyone will already have tablets. I'm concerned for Microsoft.

Renzatic
Jun 27, 2012, 02:57 PM
...battery life is still to TBD.

I'm expecting 8+ hours at least. Asus has the longest lasting Android tablet on the market with the Transformer Prime. I seriously doubt they skimped on this front for the Nexus, specially considering it's being used as Google's flagship tablet.

JohnDoe98
Jun 27, 2012, 02:59 PM
the smaller screen is a plus for some people for portability. That's a preference issue.

Cellular-equipped ipads cost a lot more than the prices shown here.

battery life is still to TBD.

Right, though I thought it was reported 8 hours battery.

wovel
Jun 27, 2012, 02:59 PM
Does anyone know where the OMAP 4 is made? I am pretty sure the only SoC made in the USA is the Apple A5 (at Samsung in Texas). My guess would be the SoC in the Q is made in Taiwan or Korea. Certainly the memory is. Maybe the sticker can say "everything but the hard stuff is made in the USA".

quickmac
Jun 27, 2012, 03:00 PM
It'll be dead faster than the Microsoft Zune.

And what's with this Q thing? $300 bucks for a wireless receiver and internet device? Apple TV is 99 bucks.

Less then 5 years, Android will be a memory and these Android devices finally gone.

diamond.g
Jun 27, 2012, 03:03 PM
True, even Dragon's latest requirements are in the Core 2 Duo era. (Having a dual core DOES benefit.)

That leaves the size of the dictation libraries and more so on a portable device.

Yup, we will see what Apple does (or to be more correct, when).

gmanist1000
Jun 27, 2012, 03:03 PM
It'll be dead faster than the Microsoft Zune.

And what's with this Q thing? $300 bucks for a wireless receiver and internet device? Apple TV is 99 bucks.

Less then 5 years, Android will be a memory and these Android devices finally gone.

They made it look pretty so they had an excuse to charge so much for it.

Oletros
Jun 27, 2012, 03:03 PM
It'll be dead faster than the Microsoft Zune.

And what's with this Q thing? $300 bucks for a wireless receiver and internet device? Apple TV is 99 bucks.

Less then 5 years, Android will be a memory and these Android devices finally gone.

And this is when the alarm rings and you wake and lose your sweet dreams

olowott
Jun 27, 2012, 03:04 PM
I just bought the apple TV

Damn am so happy it was cheap

Larrywb
Jun 27, 2012, 03:05 PM
I have a 2 year old son that loves watching movies on my iPhone. I need to buy a device to keep him occupied on a 16 hour flight to see his grandparents. Should I buy a iPod touch or this? The iPad is too big for him to hold (I'm not buying him one anyways) I'm wondering if this 7" will be great for movies - also wondering about the battery life....

Any thoughts? My wife is traveling alone with him, and he's a very active boy and I'm worried about the traveling.

bossxii
Jun 27, 2012, 03:05 PM
Not that I would buy one, but at $199 should sell a few tablets. The Q at $299 seems like an absolute joke. Either go at Apple TV with a $99 or forget it, why would you drop that kind of money for what a Xbox or PS3 or many sub $99 BluRay players will already steam. Netflix drives many/most (maybe a wrong assumption) people to buy a stand alone streaming device. Cheap gets you in living rooms for what another device in your house can do. Unless then offer in some kind of seriously affordable and broad access to media my money is against the Q.

I enjoy plenty of Google products but the Q imo is going to struggle.

mkwilson68
Jun 27, 2012, 03:05 PM
Google is like a headless chicken right now, diversifying more and more away from its core strengths. These moves will prove to be spectacular mistakes. Google - get some focus and start doing core things right. A home media streamer? Really? A cheap tablet? Frickin' speakers???

Time to sell my Google shares - they've lost the plot.

dawiyo
Jun 27, 2012, 03:07 PM
Just pre-ordered the 16gb Nexus 7. We will see. :D

w00master
Jun 27, 2012, 03:07 PM
Gotta love MacRumors, the sure sign that apple fanboys feel threatened is when they decide to bash the opposition continuously. By the way this thread is going, apple fanboys are threatened. Similar to how the Surface thread went.

Don't even try to deny it.

Yup. Soon, you'll start seeing posts like: "This is Google news.... why am I seeing this stuff on MacRumors?"

To them I give this response: if you didn't actually care... why post?

There is a TON of insecurity that the Apple fandom has. It's truly bizarre.

w00master

hot spare
Jun 27, 2012, 03:07 PM
It'll be dead faster than the Microsoft Zune.

And what's with this Q thing? $300 bucks for a wireless receiver and internet device? Apple TV is 99 bucks.

Less then 5 years, Android will be a memory and these Android devices finally gone.

I exactly know what you are feeling right now -- inferiority complex :)

1 million Andrioid activation per day (yea, solid number announced today in IO). You will get over it. Let your anger settle down. You will realize that resistance is futile.

lilo777
Jun 27, 2012, 03:08 PM
Google is like a headless chicken right now, diversifying more and more away from its core strengths. These moves will prove to be spectacular mistakes. Google - get some focus and start doing core things right. A home media streamer? Really? A cheap tablet? Frickin' speakers???

Time to sell my Google shares - they've lost the plot.

Agree. It's just like Apple - a computer company - diversifying into cell phones. What are they thinking?