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Vegastouch
Jul 6, 2012, 01:51 PM
Not sure how long ago it was that you used Android, but I currently use it and I use Apex Launcher with ICS on my Galaxy Note, and it is perfectly stable.
This is my first Android device, so I can't speak about how it used to be, but the last 4 months with it have been just great. I wouldn't say it was any better than IOS, but I would say that it is very different and allows me to get things exactly the way I want them.

With that said......I am anxiously awaiting IP5 because I have a feeling Apple will surprise us all this time around!



I havent had my GS3 for a week yet so for the first time im using Apex and Nova launchers. Think i like Nova a little better. Both working very well and fast.
Havent even downloaded Launcher Pro or ADW Launcher EX this time around. Heard Go Launcher is good but havent tried it.



jt415105
Jul 6, 2012, 02:00 PM
Change the record. Both are fine on my S3. I have an iPad and rarely notice apps being better on iOS. If anything, more are better on Android because it's not as limited.

I'm sure they're fine I just watched a video on youtube with this guy S3 Galaxy where the battery drained 10% without him even having mobile data on LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ake1B0WPXYg

matttye
Jul 6, 2012, 02:47 PM
I'm sure they're fine I just watched a video on youtube with this guy S3 Galaxy where the battery drained 10% without him even having mobile data on LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ake1B0WPXYg

Wow a video on YouTube? That proves it, I'm sure every video on YouTube of the iPhone shows it covered in glitter and made out of pure excellence! :rolleyes:

nizmoz
Jul 6, 2012, 11:19 PM
I'm sure they're fine I just watched a video on youtube with this guy S3 Galaxy where the battery drained 10% without him even having mobile data on LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ake1B0WPXYg

Lol. 45 minutes constant use and only 10 percent isn't bad. I can make my iPhone drop faster.

SaleenS351
Jul 7, 2012, 12:55 AM
Any ideas on how I can hook up my iCloud @me account on my new SSGS3?

topherg
Jul 7, 2012, 01:27 AM
LAny ideas on how I can hook up my iCloud @me account on my new SSGS3?

Are you talking about your email? Or are you talking about the whole shabang like photo stream contacts and calender?

PacificBeach
Jul 7, 2012, 01:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aws7LT46lWk

Really impressed with the Galaxy S3

404 tech junkie
Jul 7, 2012, 02:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aws7LT46lWk

Really impressed with the Galaxy S3

Wow! Those are some pretty noticeable differences in that video. One thing I wonder is, did he make sure the lens on the iPhone was clean. Some of those pics just seemed to have a bit of a haze over them, almost as if there may have been a fingerprint on the lens. I've taken plenty of pics with the iPhone and I never have gotten hazy looking pics in the daytime.

SaleenS351
Jul 7, 2012, 02:24 AM
L

Are you talking about your email? Or are you talking about the whole shabang like photo stream contacts and calender?

Just my email account

mbell1975
Jul 7, 2012, 02:36 AM
Took the plunge and switched over to AT&T to pick up the Galaxy S3. I love my Razr Maxx but Verizon's 4G network has been problematic for over a month now and they are far too expensive. I must say that the S3 has easily become my favorite phone after just the first day. The S2 was my prior favorite. I cannot find one thing I don't like about it. Yes, the camera is amazing. I shoot photos and videos for a living and I really can't believe the quality of photos this takes.

topherg
Jul 7, 2012, 03:09 AM
Just my email account

I'm using the galaxy nexus. When I set up my email I had to use this manual method:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3397765?start=45&tstart=0

Wrathwitch
Jul 7, 2012, 07:33 AM
Change the record. Both are fine on my S3. I have an iPad and rarely notice apps being better on iOS. If anything, more are better on Android because it's not as limited.

Not to play devils advocate but so far Gameloft games do not work on SSGS3 and trying to either get news on a fix OR a refund seems unlikely.

What pisses me off about this thread now is it went from an unbiased review on a device to a "my penis is bigger than yours" post..... With the same characters that haunt every post that mentions both Android and Apple in the same thread spouting the same garbage.

Homourously enough I made a similar post requesting the mods kill the thread by reporting MY thread and they just removed the post that was similar to this one lol! It's like a juggernaut with a life of its own!

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 08:06 AM
Not to play devils advocate but so far Gameloft games do not work on SSGS3 and trying to either get news on a fix OR a refund seems unlikely.

What pisses me off about this thread now is it went from an unbiased review on a device to a "my penis is bigger than yours" post..... With the same characters that haunt every post that mentions both Android and Apple in the same thread spouting the same garbage.

Homourously enough I made a similar post requesting the mods kill the thread by reporting MY thread and they just removed the post that was similar to this one lol! It's like a juggernaut with a life of its own!

Didn't mean to derail the thread. I tend to respond to people but I don't start these conflicts :p

You probably won't want to do this but I'm going to give you the option anyway. If you root your phone you can edit a file called build.prop stored on it so that the market thinks your phone is another one - preferably something that Gameloft supports. Clearly this isn't the ideal solution as it could mean that some apps that work on the GS3 but not whatever you change yours to will no longer work. You could always change back and forth.

Would be a temporary solution until they update their games.

That said, there's no guarantee the games would run stable enough for you to enjoy them - maybe they're not on the GS3 yet for a reason.

Technarchy
Jul 7, 2012, 08:35 AM
Not to play devils advocate but so far Gameloft games do not work on SSGS3 and trying to either get news on a fix OR a refund seems unlikely.



Krait or Exynos? Or both?

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Change the record. Both are fine on my S3. I have an iPad and rarely notice apps being better on iOS. If anything, more are better on Android because it's not as limited.

I can't agree. At best, it's a wash, but more often than not the app is not optimized for a specific android device, so either the interface is not as nice, or the performance is not there.

Less than 24hrs ago I ran Flipboard on the Samsung GS3 and iPhone 4S side by side.

The iPhone 4S was faster loading, more responsive and the animations were visibly better.

Pandora certainly looks better as well.

Two fold issue on android: You can't optimize for a specific device without shrinking your market down to a sliver, and fragmentation, which means you risk the app not working at all, or working with no optimization and looking inferior to iOS.

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 08:54 AM
I can't agree. At best, it's a wash, but more often than not the app is not optimized for a specific android device, so either the interface is not as nice, or the performance is not there.

Less than 24hrs ago I ran Flipboard on the Samsung GS3 and iPhone 4S side by side.

The iPhone 4S was faster loading, more responsive and the animations were visibly better.

Pandora certainly looks better as well.

Two fold issue on android: You can't optimize for a specific device without shrinking your market down to a sliver, and fragmentation, which means you risk the app not working at all, or working with no optimization and looking inferior to iOS.

Hmm really? The S3 certainly loads as quickly as the iPad version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAuGLpu37KY&feature=plcp

Apologies for the bad quality (logitech webcam) but I think you can just about see what's going on :P I clear both apps from memory then launch them.

Then again I have the international GS3 with the Exynos...

cwwilson
Jul 7, 2012, 10:55 AM
the wait is killingggggggg meeeee. I already sold my Lumia and have been borrowing a Nexus S while I wait on my S3 to get here. It's already in my city, but UPS is going to make me wait until Monday to have it!! Two-day shipping my butt r_r

cynics
Jul 7, 2012, 11:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aws7LT46lWk

Really impressed with the Galaxy S3

Wow, I was always very impressed with my camera on my 4S but in this video its almost no comparison the S3 is better. There are a couple times in the video (low light picture of purse and garage then the video focusing on the garbage can) I've noticed downfalls in the 4S however it seems the S3 fixed those issues..,

nuckinfutz
Jul 7, 2012, 11:27 AM
Wow, I was always very impressed with my camera on my 4S but in this video its almost no comparison the S3 is better. There are a couple times in the video (low light picture of purse and garage then the video focusing on the garbage can) I've noticed downfalls in the 4S however it seems the S3 fixed those issues..,

I've always liked Samsungs HDTV. Samsung displays always have vibrant images with slightly better contrast than competing vendors. Interested to see what improvements are made with the nextgen iPhone.

vonWachtstain
Jul 7, 2012, 11:39 AM
I'm selling my iPhone 4S on CL and I already got 3 people offering me trade for their Samsung Galaxy S3 and one said his is factory unlocked!!! That makes me think those phones are no good at all.

Zaft
Jul 7, 2012, 11:44 AM
Wow, I was always very impressed with my camera on my 4S but in this video its almost no comparison the S3 is better. There are a couple times in the video (low light picture of purse and garage then the video focusing on the garbage can) I've noticed downfalls in the 4S however it seems the S3 fixed those issues..,

They use the exact same Sony camera

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 12:00 PM
They use the exact same Sony camera

They use the same camera sensor, but not the same lens, software, flash etc.

Nikhil72
Jul 7, 2012, 12:14 PM
I went to play with a GS3 yesterday finally, I very close to buying one before playing with it in the store. Walked out without one.

I didn't mind the size of the device like I thought I would, and it felt nice in the hand shape wise, but it was not a high-quality feeling device at all; the plastic did not impress me. The screen size was very nice but I definitely prefer the HTC One X and iPhone 4S LCDs to the OMELED which appeared cartoony to me. And then the OS was definitely not fluid compared to iOS; I made sure everything was closed and then tried the same tasks on both my iPhone and the GS3 and there was this stutter present on the GS3 that just ruined the experience. Reminded me a bit of the iPhone 3GS in terms of app performance; now this doesn't mean that the phone itself was slow, but that graphics for day-to-day applications (i.e. non-game) seemed sluggish. The load times themselves were great; it was the actual in-app use that was stuttery. I can imagine Jelly bean might take care of that, will have to try it out when I see a JB device in person. It just wasn't smooth. And I actually think I like iOS notifications better only because it shows me specific things like mail contents, reminders before they happen, etc. but I love the individual notifications swipe away on ICS. Again, I think Jelly Bean improves the information preview aspect a bit.

Loved loved loved LTE speeds but expect the iPhone to get that anyway.

Maybe I'll reconsider in a few weeks but I didn't feel the drive to spend the $550 I anticipated spending when I walked into the store.

mbell1975
Jul 7, 2012, 12:18 PM
I went to play with a GS3 yesterday finally, I very close to buying one before playing with it in the store. Walked out without one.

I didn't mind the size of the device like I thought I would, and it felt nice in the hand shape wise, but it was not a high-quality feeling device at all; the plastic did not impress me. The screen size was very nice but I definitely prefer the HTC One X and iPhone 4S LCDs to the OMELED which appeared cartoony to me. And then the OS was definitely not fluid compared to iOS; I made sure everything was closed and then tried the same tasks on both my iPhone and the GS3 and there was this stutter present on the GS3 that just ruined the experience. Reminded me a bit of the iPhone 3GS in terms of app performance; now this doesn't mean that the phone itself was slow, but that graphics for day-to-day applications (i.e. non-game) seemed sluggish. The load times themselves were great; it was the actual in-app use that was stuttery. I can imagine Jelly bean might take care of that, will have to try it out when I see a JB device in person. It just wasn't smooth. And I actually think I like iOS notifications better only because it shows me specific things like mail contents, reminders before they happen, etc. but I love the individual notifications swipe away on ICS. Again, I think Jelly Bean improves the information preview aspect a bit.

Loved loved loved LTE speeds but expect the iPhone to get that anyway.

Maybe I'll reconsider in a few weeks but I didn't feel the drive to spend the $550 I anticipated spending when I walked into the store.

First off, its not made of normal plastic and second, pretty much everyone is praising the S3 for how fluid it is and you found lag and stutter? Sure you did, keep your iPhone please, thanks.

Vegastouch
Jul 7, 2012, 12:31 PM
I'm selling my iPhone 4S on CL and I already got 3 people offering me trade for their Samsung Galaxy S3 and one said his is factory unlocked!!! That makes me think those phones are no good at all.

OR they are people who have been using iPhones for years and cant get used to Android. There are many in here who have made that statement.

mbell1975
Jul 7, 2012, 12:44 PM
I'm selling my iPhone 4S on CL and I already got 3 people offering me trade for their Samsung Galaxy S3 and one said his is factory unlocked!!! That makes me think those phones are no good at all.

LOL, what a load of BS. The S3 is still pretty hard to get with prices going well above retail, the 4s is a dime a dozen on CL and Ebay because there are so many of them out there. Nice try though.

Nikhil72
Jul 7, 2012, 12:59 PM
First off, its not made of normal plastic and second, pretty much everyone is praising the S3 for how fluid it is and you found lag and stutter? Sure you did, keep your iPhone please, thanks.

Look, I'm not here taking sides. I was open to switching. No need to start defending one over the othe. I'm just stating my experience. It's on par with other android devices I've tried in terms of fluidity but it's not at the iOS level yet. I clearly can't be the only one to think this since google themselves tout improved fluidity as a feature of Jelly bean. When I play around with a Jb device, I expect to have a very different experience. There's only so much a solid processor and lots of RAM can do when the operating system is not optimized.

Seriously, this automatic jump on mild criticisms is pure bull. I could come up with things about iOS that bother me but this is clearly not the post for it.

Azadre
Jul 7, 2012, 01:00 PM
SGS3 is ugly compared to the SII. Frankly you're all a bunch of android fanbois here to troll/get paid to post.

SaleenS351
Jul 7, 2012, 01:43 PM
I'm using the galaxy nexus. When I set up my email I had to use this manual method:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3397765?start=45&tstart=0

Thanks. It worked like a charm. If anyone else is having this problem try this method.

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SGS3 is ugly compared to the SII. Frankly you're all a bunch of android fanbois here to troll/get paid to post.

I've been here since 2004 and i've had every iteration of the iphone. I'm not a fanboy. I just like technology and I wanted to try something differen.

matttye
Jul 7, 2012, 01:51 PM
SGS3 is ugly compared to the SII. Frankly you're all a bunch of android fanbois here to troll/get paid to post.

I spend more time looking at the screen and the design surrounding the screen, to be honest.

Plus I like the look anyway :)

3bs
Jul 7, 2012, 01:54 PM
SGS3 is ugly compared to the SII. Frankly you're all a bunch of android fanbois here to troll/get paid to post.

I am definitely not a an android fanboy nor do I own either the S2 or S3 but I think the S3 in white looks great.

Vegastouch
Jul 7, 2012, 02:03 PM
I spend more time looking at the screen and the design surrounding the screen, to be honest.

Plus I like the look anyway :)

Yeah, i think the GS3 is a great looking phone.

nizmoz
Jul 7, 2012, 02:05 PM
First off, its not made of normal plastic and second, pretty much everyone is praising the S3 for how fluid it is and you found lag and stutter? Sure you did, keep your iPhone please, thanks.

I agree. I have no lag at all on mine. It's the fastest phone I have owned, and the plastic is high quality. At least if I drop it naked, I won't worry about it shattering like the iphone would.

Faux Carnival
Jul 7, 2012, 02:17 PM
As an iPhone 4S user, I'm 100% sure that my next phone will not be an iPhone. And today I checked out Galaxy S III. I must admit, the phone is GREAT. Really good, solid build. Material felt premium to be honest. The material felt extremely hard.

The speed is unexplainable. The phone just doesn't hesitate under any condition. And the screen, it is superb. Giant, bright. And surfing with that screen is a pleasure. Though I'm sure it drains battery.

Overall, the only problem I had with the phone was TouchWiz. I just don't like 3rd party skins. I'm a pure Android guy and looking forward to the new Nexus device. Especially if Samsung makes it...

Good job Samsung!

mrfrosty
Jul 7, 2012, 02:23 PM
I have made exactly the same switch.....I have a few observations.

The phone feels much poorer than an iPhone4 in your hands, kind of slippy. Thats not to say the build quality is poor, it's just the feel is not as good.

The screen is beautiful, i do find it 'dull' sometimes though even on max brightness.....could be my wallpaper i suppose ! The screen does not feel as nice either !

Battery life is no problem for me at least.

Here is the big thing and the reason i actually made the switch.......Synching with iTunes is B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L. it's everything apple should have done in terms of simplicity and speed........For this i use iSyncr with the WIFI add on......It's just simple (as it should be) and works very quickly......Unlike wifi or even wired syncing with iPhone ! My iphone took forever to get started, this is like instant.

I miss the 'ipod' connectivity in my car, bluetooth connectivity sucks as there is no browsability.

Tasker is a fantastic application. Makes your phone do stuff depending on loads of different variables.......for instance.......if i'm at home and the battery is above 50% and i flip the phone over so it's face down it will play the dukes of hazzard car horn and wirelessly synch my playlists.

I'm glad i made the switch. I'll be jealous when iphone 5 comes out i suppose but right now I'm very very happy with this phone compared to the 4 (especially since i threw a 64Gb micro SD into it!)

thewaffle
Jul 7, 2012, 05:23 PM
I have made exactly the same switch.....I have a few observations.

The phone feels much poorer than an iPhone4 in your hands, kind of slippy. Thats not to say the build quality is poor, it's just the feel is not as good.

The screen is beautiful, i do find it 'dull' sometimes though even on max brightness.....could be my wallpaper i suppose ! The screen does not feel as nice either !

Battery life is no problem for me at least.

Here is the big thing and the reason i actually made the switch.......Synching with iTunes is B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L. it's everything apple should have done in terms of simplicity and speed........For this i use iSyncr with the WIFI add on......It's just simple (as it should be) and works very quickly......Unlike wifi or even wired syncing with iPhone ! My iphone took forever to get started, this is like instant.

I miss the 'ipod' connectivity in my car, bluetooth connectivity sucks as there is no browsability.

Tasker is a fantastic application. Makes your phone do stuff depending on loads of different variables.......for instance.......if i'm at home and the battery is above 50% and i flip the phone over so it's face down it will play the dukes of hazzard car horn and wirelessly synch my playlists.

I'm glad i made the switch. I'll be jealous when iphone 5 comes out i suppose but right now I'm very very happy with this phone compared to the 4 (especially since i threw a 64Gb micro SD into it!)


I had the Iphone 4S for 3 weeks. Absolutely loved it but Friday I went and picked up a GS3 from AT&T (I had 30 days to return the 4S plus a $35 restock fee).

At first I thought it was a bunch of hype and it took me a while to get used to the screen coming from a 4S and IP4. The colors were a bit too saturated for me but after awhile I got used to it. Let me say this - you can't see the screen in broad daylight but that's no big deal.

I made the switch for the extra screen size, 4G LTE and having the best Android device on the market (well some would say the HTC One X)

I really enjoy this phone; music on here sounds more crisp and clearer than on the IPhone and big ups to Samsung for packing some nice headphones. Visually the screen is beautiful.

Having an android phone a few years back I forgot how much goes on on the phone in the background. I've had to disable a lot of things.

There are quirks that I had to find alternatives too like crappy samsung stock keyboard and adding music (thanks for the Inysncr suggestion as I was managing my music using MediaMonkey)

Anyway there are things I love about both phones but I'm happy with my choice. Watching movies / videos for one is much more pleasant with the extra screen size. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

I will say the most frustrating thing about owning a non-IOS device is finding accessories for it. I want a nice speaker/alarm dock for my phone and it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

PacificBeach
Jul 7, 2012, 09:42 PM
They use the exact same Sony camera
Incorrect ! Same sensor but the Galaxy S3 user newer lens, newer software and flash

blackhand1001
Jul 7, 2012, 09:45 PM
I had the Iphone 4S for 3 weeks. Absolutely loved it but Friday I went and picked up a GS3 from AT&T (I had 30 days to return the 4S plus a $35 restock fee).

At first I thought it was a bunch of hype and it took me a while to get used to the screen coming from a 4S and IP4. The colors were a bit too saturated for me but after awhile I got used to it. Let me say this - you can't see the screen in broad daylight but that's no big deal.

I made the switch for the extra screen size, 4G LTE and having the best Android device on the market (well some would say the HTC One X)

I really enjoy this phone; music on here sounds more crisp and clearer than on the IPhone and big ups to Samsung for packing some nice headphones. Visually the screen is beautiful.

Having an android phone a few years back I forgot how much goes on on the phone in the background. I've had to disable a lot of things.

There are quirks that I had to find alternatives too like crappy samsung stock keyboard and adding music (thanks for the Inysncr suggestion as I was managing my music using MediaMonkey)

Anyway there are things I love about both phones but I'm happy with my choice. Watching movies / videos for one is much more pleasant with the extra screen size. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

I will say the most frustrating thing about owning a non-IOS device is finding accessories for it. I want a nice speaker/alarm dock for my phone and it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

There should be plenty of galaxy siii accessories pretty soon. All 5 versions of it have identical casing. They've already sold more than 10 million.

chiefpavvy
Jul 8, 2012, 12:01 AM
Really?....nice knowledge of a product :rolleyes:
Android doesnt ship with a blank screen and choosing another launcher takes literally 15 seconds from the market. Type in launchers, choose one, or two, or three if you like.

You entirely missed the point of my post. I don't want to mess with "launchers" AT ALL. Period. I want something that just works. iPhone has provided that to me for 4+ years now. I have zero desire to go hunting ROMs, "Launchers", "Task Killers", or any of that other crap. For the record, I don't jailbreak my iPhones either. Moral of the story I suppose, some like to tinker, some don't. I'm in the latter camp.

I guess you don't see anything wrong with someone dropping $600 or $700+ on a phone and having to hunt these things down right off the bat? Tells me there is an issue with the operating system and/or the manufacturer. Or both.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never heard some one pick up an iPhone and ask about launchers or task killers. Regular folks want nothing to do with this nonsense. What you call "flexibility" or "customization" I (and most regulars) want no part of.

404 tech junkie
Jul 8, 2012, 12:26 AM
You entirely missed the point of my post. I don't want to mess with "launchers" AT ALL. Period. I want something that just works. iPhone has provided that to me for 4+ years now. I have zero desire to go hunting ROMs, "Launchers", "Task Killers", or any of that other crap. For the record, I don't jailbreak my iPhones either. Moral of the story I suppose, some like to tinker, some don't. I'm in the latter camp.

I guess you don't see anything wrong with someone dropping $600 or $700+ on a phone and having to hunt these things down right off the bat? Tells me there is an issue with the operating system and/or the manufacturer. Or both.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never heard some one pick up an iPhone and ask about launchers or task killers. Regular folks want nothing to do with this nonsense. What you call "flexibility" or "customization" I (and most regulars) want no part of.

Your lack of knowledge of the topic you're speaking on is showing. Task killers haven't been needed on Android since around Eclair and Froyo. Don't like launchers? Don't install one. There's no law that says you must install a custom launcher. Don't like custom roms? Don't install one. Again, there's no law that says you have to. I run my Galaxy Nexus completely stock and it works perfectly. I don't have to "hunt" anything down "right off the bat", as you put it. If a person wants to, they can, but it is not nothing in even remotely necessary. On the other hand, for you to have even close to the same functionality my Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy S3 has out of the box, you will have to jailbreak and "hunt", for jailbreak apps and tweaks.

PacificBeach
Jul 8, 2012, 12:27 AM
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/dsc0199jp.jpg/

cwwilson
Jul 8, 2012, 12:41 AM
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/dsc0199jp.jpg/

nice one. Is that picture from Forza? Hard to tell games from real life these days.

Vegastouch
Jul 8, 2012, 12:53 AM
You entirely missed the point of my post. I don't want to mess with "launchers" AT ALL. Period. I want something that just works. iPhone has provided that to me for 4+ years now. I have zero desire to go hunting ROMs, "Launchers", "Task Killers", or any of that other crap. For the record, I don't jailbreak my iPhones either. Moral of the story I suppose, some like to tinker, some don't. I'm in the latter camp.

Oh no i got your point just fine. Your a simpleton who doesnt want to or cant do something simple like decide what Apps he likes best and put them on a home screen on a different launcher that takes seconds to install.

This has nothing to do with ROMs,.... AT ALL!! Thats fine, some dont like to do that but it isnt required either. You dont need to use a different launcher.
And you dont need to use a Task killer. I came from Eclair to Froyo and still didnt use one. Certainly dont need them now.

I guess you don't see anything wrong with someone dropping $600 or $700+ on a phone and having to hunt these things down right off the bat? Tells me there is an issue with the operating system and/or the manufacturer. Or both.

Wrong, it tells you that you have choices, and many of them if you dont want a simple and plain home screen like the iPhone has. And again, you dont NEED to do anything if you dont want to.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never heard some one pick up an iPhone and ask about launchers or task killers. Regular folks want nothing to do with this nonsense. What you call "flexibility" or "customization" I (and most regulars) want no part of.

Simple answer to that is because you cant ask about something you dont have.

Clearly you have NEVER used an Android so the fact that you comment on them like you do is way out of your knowledge zone. Regular folks indeed want these things unless you dont think posters in here are regular people. The other ten million that have bought just the GS3 disagree as well.

thekev
Jul 8, 2012, 01:16 AM
Eh, not really. The only true competitor is Android.


Windows Phone has failed to make a splash, despite the marketing push.
Blackberry is bleeding out like a stuck pig and RIM will probably be bought out.
Tizen isn't out yet and won't make a big splash this Fall because there's no apps on the horizon.
BootToGecko is still in Alpha state.
WebOS died an obscure death, with its top man working for Google now.
Meltemi is even more obscure than WebOS and got shelved yet again by Nokia recently.


It's still a 2 horse race. I'd like it to be 5 horses but really, Apple and Google are too mature and too ubiquitous to be reckoned with.

The Web OS thing was kind of silly. How do you pay that much for something without a plan for implementation in place? That is just terrible, and probably a combination of many failures in management.

In a purse, their bra, a coat/outerwear pocket, or in their hand for what seems to be 24/7.

I've never seen a woman put a phone in her bra. Perhaps it's the kind of women you know:p.

I'm sure they're fine I just watched a video on youtube with this guy S3 Galaxy where the battery drained 10% without him even having mobile data on LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ake1B0WPXYg

Youtube is a poor resource for such a thing.

They use the exact same Sony camera

It could be different software/firmware. Those things can make a big difference even in equivalent hardware. Software has improved immensely over the years in terms of how it interpret the same data. Just including the same sensor doesn't make it the same camera.

soulreaver99
Jul 8, 2012, 01:17 AM
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topherg
Jul 8, 2012, 02:18 AM
Thanks. It worked like a charm. If anyone else is having this problem try this method.

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I've been here since 2004 and i've had every iteration of the iphone. I'm not a fanboy. I just like technology and I wanted to try something differen.


Great! I'm glad it worked! On a side note I got to play with the gs3 and I'm in love! Touch wiz didn't seem to bother me....

404 tech junkie
Jul 8, 2012, 03:09 AM
I went to play with a GS3 yesterday finally, I very close to buying one before playing with it in the store. Walked out without one.

I didn't mind the size of the device like I thought I would, and it felt nice in the hand shape wise, but it was not a high-quality feeling device at all; the plastic did not impress me. The screen size was very nice but I definitely prefer the HTC One X and iPhone 4S LCDs to the OMELED which appeared cartoony to me. And then the OS was definitely not fluid compared to iOS; I made sure everything was closed and then tried the same tasks on both my iPhone and the GS3 and there was this stutter present on the GS3 that just ruined the experience. Reminded me a bit of the iPhone 3GS in terms of app performance; now this doesn't mean that the phone itself was slow, but that graphics for day-to-day applications (i.e. non-game) seemed sluggish. The load times themselves were great; it was the actual in-app use that was stuttery. I can imagine Jelly bean might take care of that, will have to try it out when I see a JB device in person. It just wasn't smooth. And I actually think I like iOS notifications better only because it shows me specific things like mail contents, reminders before they happen, etc. but I love the individual notifications swipe away on ICS. Again, I think Jelly Bean improves the information preview aspect a bit.

Loved loved loved LTE speeds but expect the iPhone to get that anyway.

Maybe I'll reconsider in a few weeks but I didn't feel the drive to spend the $550 I anticipated spending when I walked into the store.

You found lag and stutter in the GS3? Please provide specifics. Specifically what apps did you see this stutter in? And what were you doing in the apps?

DodgeV83
Jul 8, 2012, 03:20 AM
Look, I'm not here taking sides. I was open to switching. No need to start defending one over the othe. I'm just stating my experience. It's on par with other android devices I've tried in terms of fluidity but it's not at the iOS level yet. I clearly can't be the only one to think this since google themselves tout improved fluidity as a feature of Jelly bean. When I play around with a Jb device, I expect to have a very different experience. There's only so much a solid processor and lots of RAM can do when the operating system is not optimized.

Seriously, this automatic jump on mild criticisms is pure bull. I could come up with things about iOS that bother me but this is clearly not the post for it.

All three people I know who have either tried the S3 in-store, or who currently own one, have commented on the lag. One used the word "Slow", another used the word "Sluggish", and the third (the one who owns it) said "It's not as smooth as my iPhone".

So don't worry, you aren't the only one!

WeegieMac
Jul 8, 2012, 05:31 AM
I sold my iPhone 4 on Friday for 270, which I had bought SIM free direct from Apple in January 2011. iOS 6 beta had shown me that my iPhone 4 was struggling to keep up, especially with owning a new iPad and seeing how fast/smooth the A5 makes iOS run. I also wanted onto a contract so I got an upgrade every 2 years.

The question was which phone to go for yesterday when I went to the store.

I looked at the S3, it is a nice handset and 4.0 screams on it. It's fluid, fast, and responsive, but the fact the Tesco Mobile Store were doing the 4S for free on the same contract/tariff that O2 stores wanted 99 for, swayed it. Well, that along with the fact I cannot walk away from the Apple ecosystem I rely on day to day with my Mac and iPad along with my iPhone. I've invested too much money in Apps to walk away, and when using the S3, as much as I thought it was good, I still prefer iOS.

Edit: And again my point is proven. That the line "I prefer iOS" results in down voting by the Android fanboys who can't see they're the very thing they purport to hate. How very, very sad you are.

Faux Carnival
Jul 8, 2012, 05:37 AM
You found lag and stutter in the GS3? Please provide specifics. Specifically what apps did you see this stutter in? And what were you doing in the apps?

I'm waiting for this as well...

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 05:59 AM
You entirely missed the point of my post. I don't want to mess with "launchers" AT ALL. Period. I want something that just works. iPhone has provided that to me for 4+ years now. I have zero desire to go hunting ROMs, "Launchers", "Task Killers", or any of that other crap. For the record, I don't jailbreak my iPhones either. Moral of the story I suppose, some like to tinker, some don't. I'm in the latter camp.

I guess you don't see anything wrong with someone dropping $600 or $700+ on a phone and having to hunt these things down right off the bat? Tells me there is an issue with the operating system and/or the manufacturer. Or both.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never heard some one pick up an iPhone and ask about launchers or task killers. Regular folks want nothing to do with this nonsense. What you call "flexibility" or "customization" I (and most regulars) want no part of.

Android phones "just work" out of the box; the only thing is the home screens might not be set up to your liking. If you spend about ten minutes arranging them, you can put everything you need the most right in front of you :)

You don't need to actually change anything though, the phone will function perfectly fine out of the box, and to see a list of all your installed apps you just press on the app menu button, which will bring up a list of all your apps.

Task killers are actually BAD for Android and cause problems. People shouldn't use them.

matttye
Jul 8, 2012, 06:02 AM
All three people I know who have either tried the S3 in-store, or who currently own one, have commented on the lag. One used the word "Slow", another used the word "Sluggish", and the third (the one who owns it) said "It's not as smooth as my iPhone".

So don't worry, you aren't the only one!

You have an anecdote for nearly every thread :p

DroidNoMore
Jul 8, 2012, 07:12 AM
I recently changed to an iPhone after several years with various Android phones. After jailbreaking I doubt I'll ever go back to Android. iOS is so much smoother and I have yet to have a crash. My Android phones crashed all of the time.

Both OS have their advantages and disadvantages but for me battery life was a big factor. I have some friends with a Galaxy Nexus who can't make it through the day without charging their battery. My Razr was atrocious as well.

IF I were to ever go back to Android it would only be to a Nexus phone and only if that Nexus was NOT a Samsung phone.

I really dislike the way that Android phones keep getting pushed out and that phones lose support and updates after about 18 months (unless you want to rely on hacker-created ROMS).

This worries me as well...

http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

ICS has been out since December yet only 10% of Android phones have it. Google has already announced Jelly Bean when 90% of Android users don't even have ICS. That's problematic IMO.

nhlducks35
Jul 8, 2012, 07:02 PM
I recently changed to an iPhone after several years with various Android phones. After jailbreaking I doubt I'll ever go back to Android. iOS is so much smoother and I have yet to have a crash. My Android phones crashed all of the time.

Both OS have their advantages and disadvantages but for me battery life was a big factor. I have some friends with a Galaxy Nexus who can't make it through the day without charging their battery. My Razr was atrocious as well.

IF I were to ever go back to Android it would only be to a Nexus phone and only if that Nexus was NOT a Samsung phone.

I really dislike the way that Android phones keep getting pushed out and that phones lose support and updates after about 18 months (unless you want to rely on hacker-created ROMS).

This worries me as well...

http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

ICS has been out since December yet only 10% of Android phones have it. Google has already announced Jelly Bean when 90% of Android users don't even have ICS. That's problematic IMO.

Geez, we get it, you hate Android. No need to post this same comment in every thread :rolleyes:.

Wrathwitch
Jul 8, 2012, 09:51 PM
Well at least the thread got on track again for a bit.

Regarding the lag or stuttering I can honestly say tha I have experienced no such thing on mine (Canada with Telus).

I have remedied my battery issue also. I bumped the battery just once the other day and well, because I am a Android noob and deleted a crapload of widgets not knowing that it deletes the app, ended up doung a factory reset. Thing seem pretty good. With light to moderate usage (for me) I can get at least 20+ hours on the phone.

Not to say that it can't happen but I have seen no sign of a phone crash.

As far as rooting I have no idea what the hell I am doing as it is so I think I will learn to dog paddle before I take on the English Channel!

To those that switched and are enjoying it ... Yay! And to those who are keeping the flame burning with their iOS devices I say yay too!

Bobby Corwen
Jul 8, 2012, 10:47 PM
Well at least the thread got on track again for a bit.

Regarding the lag or stuttering I can honestly say tha I have experienced no such thing on mine (Canada with Telus).

I have remedied my battery issue also. I bumped the battery just once the other day and well, because I am a Android noob and deleted a crapload of widgets not knowing that it deletes the app, ended up doung a factory reset. Thing seem pretty good. With light to moderate usage (for me) I can get at least 20+ hours on the phone.

Not to say that it can't happen but I have seen no sign of a phone crash.

As far as rooting I have no idea what the hell I am doing as it is so I think I will learn to dog paddle before I take on the English Channel!

To those that switched and are enjoying it ... Yay! And to those who are keeping the flame burning with their iOS devices I say yay too!


Why do you keep insisting that it's as smooth? Touch response is still not in the same league. Loading a page fast is not the same as UI interaction. Do you even understand the difference?

I used an S3 just yesterday and it's still not as beautiful of an experience as an iPhone.

jeffe
Jul 8, 2012, 10:55 PM
Why do you keep insisting that it's as smooth? Touch response is still not in the same league. Loading a page fast is not the same as UI interaction. Do you even understand the difference?

I used an S3 just yesterday and it's still not as beautiful of an experience as an iPhone.

He probably insists it is just as smooth as that is his opinion. Maybe you two just have different opinions, have different experiences, standards, or just pay attention to things differently. Both your opinions are valid.

dbrewster
Jul 8, 2012, 10:56 PM
That's the reason why there's Project Butter, even if Android fanatics cling to the distorted reality that theirs don't lag. 😜 The SIII is a nice phone, but those who say it's as smooth as an iPhone must try both side by side. At the end of the day though, some might just not be able to discern the difference.

importfan
Jul 8, 2012, 11:16 PM
What is the definition of "smooth" in regards to an OS? Are you talking about how an app runs? how the phone behaves while swiping between home screens? The only "lag" I have ever experiences on an Android phone the past few years was when swiping thru home screens with a live wallpaper or if there were auto updating widgets that scrolled or did something when you got to a page they were loaded on. Here is a great explanation of the differences between iOS and Android and how they deal with UI renderings

http://kartik-log.blogspot.com/2012/03/understanding-and-contrasting-android.html

Bobby Corwen
Jul 8, 2012, 11:23 PM
He probably insists it is just as smooth as that is his opinion. Maybe you two just have different opinions, have different experiences, standards, or just pay attention to things differently. Both your opinions are valid.

So if a 12 year old child and an adult seasoned Fashion designer both look at the same outfit, and have differing opinions, both are equally valid in your universe? Lold.

kdarling
Jul 8, 2012, 11:23 PM
That's the reason why there's Project Butter, even if Android fanatics cling to the distorted reality that theirs don't lag.

Everyone has a distorted reality :)

My iOS devices lag and/or crash at times.

When lag happens on either iOS or Android or whatever, I'm smart enough to realize that it's almost always because it's doing something in the background that I told it that it was okay to do. Or, because they have a difference in the way that things like lists are filled.

To others, I suppose it could be irritating because they don't know what's happening.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 8, 2012, 11:34 PM
That's the reason why there's Project Butter, even if Android fanatics cling to the distorted reality that theirs don't lag. 😜 The SIII is a nice phone, but those who say it's as smooth as an iPhone must try both side by side. At the end of the day though, some might just not be able to discern the difference.

And that is exactly what makes their ridiculous "Android has passed up iPhone" comments so unbearable, because they're just not "getting it"

Its one thing if they simply don't get it, but it's another when they are so cock-sure about some supposed superiority that only exists in their minds because they couldnt even tell a crow from a fox tail.

Vegastouch
Jul 9, 2012, 12:07 AM
Why do you keep insisting that it's as smooth? Touch response is still not in the same league. Loading a page fast is not the same as UI interaction. Do you even understand the difference?

I used an S3 just yesterday and it's still not as beautiful of an experience as an iPhone.

Yes it is, you will just never admit it. and you are the King of Fanboys. You didnt like the S3 before you even touched it and you probably only used it for 5 minutes.

And that is exactly what makes their ridiculous "Android has passed up iPhone" comments so unbearable, because they're just not "getting it"

They have passed iOS up. You just need to come to grips with that. But if you dont, who cares..... nobody is trying to recruit you.

jeffe
Jul 9, 2012, 12:10 AM
So if a 12 year old child and an adult seasoned Fashion designer both look at the same outfit, and have differing opinions, both are equally valid in your universe? Lold.

Sure why not? I know people who buy $100.00 headphones b/c they can't stand how the cheap $15.00 ones sound. However, I think the $15.00 headphones sound fantastic. We don't try to tell each other are wrong...frankly we could care less what the other thinks.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 12:16 AM
Yes it is, you will just never admit it. and you are the King of Fanboys. You didnt like the S3 before you even touched it and you probably only used it for 5 minutes.

No I went to see to make sure you guys are just being ridiculous by hyping up your "iPhone killer" and indeed that was the case.

Just like every other year before, you guys fail to appreciate the details. Only in such a biased mindstate can one consider the two devices equals.

Maybe the Galaxy 4 will have better luck next year. Keep pushing guys. You'll get there one year.

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Sure why not? I know people who buy $100.00 headphones b/c they can't stand how the cheap $15.00 ones sound. However, I think the $15.00 headphones sound fantastic. We don't try to tell each other are wrong...frankly we could care less what the other thinks.

That wasn't even a logical on-topic allegory. It had nothing to do with the previous allegory I presented nor was it related to the point I was trying to make. The two concepts were in no way analogous.

Technarchy
Jul 9, 2012, 12:16 AM
No I went to see to make sure you guys are just being ridiculous by hyping up your "iPhone killer" and indeed that was the case.

Just like every other year before, you guys fail to appreciate the details. Only in such a biased mindstate can one consider the two devices equals.

Maybe the Galaxy 4 will have better luck next year. Keep pushing guys. You'll get there one year.

Astute assessment.

We're still talking 4S no less, and its battered all contenders that have been hyped up since its release.

Vegastouch
Jul 9, 2012, 12:18 AM
No I went to see to make sure you guys are just being ridiculous by hyping up your "iPhone killer" and indeed that was the case.

Just like every other year before, you guys fail to appreciate the details. Only in such a biased mindstate can one consider the two devices equals.

Maybe the Galaxy 4 will have better luck next year. Keep pushing guys. You'll get there one year.

You are the one with the biased mindstate....LOL, thats funny coming from you.

Nobody called the GS3 an iPhone killer. Just that iOS has fallen behind and they will continue to fall behind every year now the way they do things once a year.

Im not sure why you care so much. Use your iPhone. Nobody cares if you do.

Mac.World
Jul 9, 2012, 12:21 AM
Don't know why you guys continue to argue with one another. Obviously no one is going to change their minds. This is like a religious or political discussion. Best not to get involved.

Only thing I will say is, both phones are fast. Both phones fill the needs and expectations of the individual owner. Both phones sell like hotcakes. I always like the latest and greatest, which is why I bought an S3 the other day. And I can say it is a quality phone. It is also very fast and the screen (while not quite as good as the iPhone) is still very easy to see fine details. Camera is as good as the 4S, imo, although slightly more saturated (which is fine by me). All the apps I have on my old phone and ipad are also on my S3. Only thing that sucks is having to pay for apps again. Google Play had all of my apps though, except the niche apps, but there were equivalent apps to fill those needs.

But I will also be buying the iPhone 5 or 'The New iPhone' or whatever name they will use when it comes out. I won't say any more about the S3. I'll be keeping it and actually like it. Gotta get a 64gb sd card now. Will enjoy being able to add a lot of videos and tv shows to an 80gb phone.

Will be right back with you guys when I pre-order my iPhone 5, off-contract. Just hope it's not $799 for the 16gb model.

Technarchy
Jul 9, 2012, 12:23 AM
You are the one with the biased mindstate....LOL, thats funny coming from you.

Nobody called the GS3 an iPhone killer. Just that iOS has fallen behind and they will continue to fall behind every year now the way they do things once a year.

Im not sure why you care so much. Use your iPhone. Nobody cares if you do.

I don't see Apple hyping up project butter because iOS runs piss poor on anything but 10 cores.

iOS has not fallen behind. Not even close. Just because android is not total **** for a change doesn't mean its pretender to the thrown. Android can't fall behind because its never caught up to begin with. It just sucks less than usual.

Steve Jobs said the iPhone was 5 years ahead of anyone else, and he was so spot on.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 12:26 AM
You are the one with the biased mindstate....LOL, thats funny coming from you.

Nobody called the GS3 an iPhone killer. Just that iOS has fallen behind and they will continue to fall behind every year now the way they do things once a year.

Im not sure why you care so much. Use your iPhone. Nobody cares if you do.

How can you fall behind if you are still ahead?

They have the most stable system. The most consistent behavior. The best UI. The best touch response. The best screen when not watching movies (who does that?) and the best app stack and support.

I guess to you, the fact that Android is lacking in those areas is not a problem?

But the fact that iPhone doesn't have dork gimmicks like widgets and other useless perks is what matters right?

So the core basics don't matter but the useless extras do right?

Yeah, really falling behind someone that has not even caught up with the basics...

ntrigue
Jul 9, 2012, 12:29 AM
I have discovered a program/app called isync which allows you to sync playlists etc from iTunes to your Android device and it seems to work well, you can reverse sync also from what I read.

Take a look at DoubleTwist.

404 tech junkie
Jul 9, 2012, 12:30 AM
And that is exactly what makes their ridiculous "Android has passed up iPhone" comments so unbearable, because they're just not "getting it"

Its one thing if they simply don't get it, but it's another when they are so cock-sure about some supposed superiority that only exists in their minds because they couldnt even tell a crow from a fox tail.

How can you fall behind if you are still ahead?

They have the most stable system. The most consistent behavior. The best UI. The best touch response. The best screen when not watching movies (who does that?) and the best app stack and support.

I guess to you, the fact that Android is lacking in those areas is not a problem?

But the fact that iPhone doesn't have dork gimmicks like widgets and other useless perks is what matters right?

So the core basics don't matter but the useless extras do right?

Yeah, really falling behind someone that has not even caught up with the basics...



Yes indeed it has passed iOS, and Apple has a bit of catching up to do. Think that was unbearable? The you'll hate this. Here's a shortlist of reasons why iOS has been passed up. I wrote this before, and here it is again just for you:

In short, iOS still lacks a certain level of functionality. Here are a few examples off the top of my head:

-The notifications in iOS are still poor. Now Jellybean has added on to the notifications, and there simply is no comparison. iOS doesn't even give you a static icon that lets you know something is in the notification center. In other words, if a notification comes in and you don't deal with it right away, you could possibly forget about it, and there is nothing to remind you (unless you look at the app icon later and it shows a number on it).

-This is one I'm sure you've heard a million times, widgets. Believe it or not, they do add a level of functionality. If you'd like an example, I'd be more than happy to show you how my phone is set up (I won't put it in this post because this post will be long enough lol).

-App integration is lacking in iOS. For example, I can go to anything in my phone, click share, and have a plethora of options to share my content/data/files with (depending on what apps I have installed). In iOS that isn't possible. If I want to share in a particular app, I have to do it from that app. That severely limits my options when it comes to sharing information.

-iOS' cloud functionality still needs work. For example, I can't store videos in the cloud. If I record a video, iCloud can push it to my iCloud connected devices, but my video can't reside in the cloud like it can on Android.

-Keyboard. iOS' keyboard is in need of an update. It really just is not very good, and there are better options out there. Unfortunately, iOS will not allow you to change to a better keyboard.

-Browser. Safari sucks. There's no two ways about it. It can't reformat text to the screen, so you're stuck having to scroll side to side to read content on some pages. The download options (or lack thereof) in the browser is archaic at best. Bear in mind, Chrome is a much better browser, but you can't set it as your default browser without hacking your phone to do it.

-You can't do something as simple as creating a custom ringtone without needing to sync to your computer. While working in the field, I have met several people that don't have computers and use their iDevice as their computer. I guess those people just won't ever be able to have a custom ringtone, because it requires having to sync to a computer. That is crazy.

-Voice dictation on the iPhone needs improvement BIG TIME.

-DLNA functionality is absent. There is airplay, but that isn't compatible with the DLNA standard.

-NFC functionality is absent. Many people will say, "well there aren't a lot of businesses that have NFC enabled readers". This is true for some areas, but there are other areas that have plenty of places that do have them. I live in Atlanta, and I have used NFC to pay for things in drugs stores, fast food places, doctor's offices, and several other places. Also, it's nice to be able to automate tasks via NFC. For example, you can put an NFC tag in your vehicle mount that will put your phone in "car mode" when you place it in there.

-Handicapped bluetooth. Not being able to send a person something to their phone via bluetooth is a bit ridiculous in 2012. I've been doing that since the Windows Mobile days, and yet iOS still features handicapped bluetooth. There have been several times I wanted to give my uncle a file, and had to email it to him instead of just sending it straight to his phone via bluetooth. Also this means, I can't connect game controllers such as the PS3 controller if I want to play a game using it.

There are several other things but I'm not trying to write a book, so I'll stop listing them now lol. On another note, there are things added in ICS and in Jellybean that just push the OS further ahead. For example, in ICS they added the data manager, so you can control how much data your phone uses. It can warn you when you've consumed a certain amount of data. It can also limit the amount of data you use as a whole, thus keeping you from going over your limits. Things in Jellybean like how Google Now will automatically calculate the time of travel back home (including traffic), without you telling the phone to do anything. You don't have to schedule it, you don't have to make it a destination, it just knows to calculate it, and alert you of the time it will take and traffic along the way (that came in handy on the 4th of July, it saved me from a traffic jam). Those are a couple of things that pushed the OS further ahead, there are more, but this post has gotten long enough lol.

At this point, I'm sure you get the idea. Do I think that means the iPhone is awful? No. Do I think they have a lot of room for improvement? Yes. I think the iPhone is a decent phone for what it is, I just personally find it lacking in several areas. It has its strengths, but for me, I find it's weaknesses overshadow them, especially when compared to the Android platform. I hope I was able to answer your question a bit.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 12:30 AM
I don't see Apple hyping up project butter because iOS runs piss poor on anything but 10 cores.

iOS has not fallen behind. Not even close. Just because android is not total **** for a change doesn't mean its pretender to the thrown. Android can't fall behind because its never caught up to begin with. It just sucks less than usual.

Steve Jobs said the iPhone was 5 years ahead of anyone else, and he was so spot on.

Bolded statement!!!

Exactly!

These guys are dancing around like monkeys because finally, the iPhone clones aren't embarrassingly garbage anymore.

That's not a victory. That's insecurity.

404 tech junkie
Jul 9, 2012, 12:33 AM
I don't see Apple hyping up project butter because iOS runs piss poor on anything but 10 cores.

iOS has not fallen behind. Not even close. Just because android is not total **** for a change doesn't mean its pretender to the thrown. Android can't fall behind because its never caught up to begin with. It just sucks less than usual.

Steve Jobs said the iPhone was 5 years ahead of anyone else, and he was so spot on.

LMAO! 5 years ahead? How can you be five years ahead when you still have to send two emails just to send two different types of attachments? lol Get real, your browser doesn't even have real downloading functionality.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 01:08 AM
Yes indeed it has passed iOS, and Apple has a bit of catching up to do. Think that was unbearable? The you'll hate this. Here's a shortlist of reasons why iOS has been passed up. I wrote this before, and here it is again just for you:


Ok well I still disagree but lets see what you got...


In short, iOS still lacks a certain level of functionality. Here are a few examples off the top of my head:

-The notifications in iOS are still poor. Now Jellybean has added on to the notifications, and there simply is no comparison. iOS doesn't even give you a static icon that lets you know something is in the notification center. In other words, if a notification comes in and you don't deal with it right away, you could possibly forget about it, and there is nothing to remind you (unless you look at the app icon later and it shows a number on it).


I rarely if ever have used the notification center. In fact I forget it's there until I play a game and the slider comes up.


-This is one I'm sure you've heard a million times, widgets. Believe it or not, they do add a level of functionality. If you'd like an example, I'd be more than happy to show you how my phone is set up (I won't put it in this post because this post will be long enough lol).


Please do. I can't think of anything I need a widget for?



-App integration is lacking in iOS. For example, I can go to anything in my phone, click share, and have a plethora of options to share my content/data/files with (depending on what apps I have installed). In iOS that isn't possible. If I want to share in a particular app, I have to do it from that app. That severely limits my options when it comes to sharing information.


What do you need to share? I can't think of an example of something I would want to do that I can't do? I usually sent to Twitter or to YouTube. Sometimes email and msg. They are all there. What else is there that you need?


-iOS' cloud functionality still needs work. For example, I can't store videos in the cloud. If I record a video, iCloud can push it to my iCloud connected devices, but my video can't reside in the cloud like it can on Android.



I can't see myself needing the file in any other capacity. It's either on my phone or laptop or uploaded/shared to YouTube.



-Keyboard. iOS' keyboard is in need of an update. It really just is not very good, and there are better options out there. Unfortunately, iOS will not allow you to change to a better keyboard.



Strongly disagree. The keyboard and more importantly, the touch response is just phenomenal on iPhone. For years this was the huge demerit for android.

Ppl say well change the keyboard.

But the problem is touch response. It's just different on Android. In a bad way.

It's also a demerit that you have to go download a new keyboard out of box.



-Browser. Safari sucks. There's no two ways about it. It can't reformat text to the screen, so you're stuck having to scroll side to side to read content on some pages. The download options (or lack thereof) in the browser is archaic at best. Bear in mind, Chrome is a much better browser, but you can't set it as your default browser without hacking your phone to do it.



Can't see myself needing text wrapping but maybe it could be useful. Can't see myself complaining about that but Chrome is there. Usually 99% of the time I browse I started with the browser so the default browser thing is a stretch of a criticism IMO.


-You can't do something as simple as creating a custom ringtone without needing to sync to your computer. While working in the field, I have met several people that don't have computers and use their iDevice as their computer. I guess those people just won't ever be able to have a custom ringtone, because it requires having to sync to a computer. That is crazy.



On no this problem is crazy bad.!!!

It's also 2005 right now!



-Voice dictation on the iPhone needs improvement BIG TIME.

-DLNA functionality is absent. There is airplay, but that isn't compatible with the DLNA standard.

-NFC functionality is absent. Many people will say, "well there aren't a lot of businesses that have NFC enabled readers". This is true for some areas, but there are other areas that have plenty of places that do have them. I live in Atlanta, and I have used NFC to pay for things in drugs stores, fast food places, doctor's offices, and several other places. Also, it's nice to be able to automate tasks via NFC. For example, you can put an NFC tag in your vehicle mount that will put your phone in "car mode" when you place it in there.

-Handicapped bluetooth. Not being able to send a person something to their phone via bluetooth is a bit ridiculous in 2012. I've been doing that since the Windows Mobile days, and yet iOS still features handicapped bluetooth. There have been several times I wanted to give my uncle a file, and had to email it to him instead of just sending it straight to his phone via bluetooth. Also this means, I can't connect game controllers such as the PS3 controller if I want to play a game using it.



The rest of those are also hard for me to imagine caring about. I usually just browse the web, listen to music, check social networks, play some games while pooping, and send and receive messages. I have a calendar, an alarm clock, a calculator, and they are all very nice in iCloud. I am very organized yet it is seamless and simple and a joy to use, just staring at the glass/glass shinyness.


There are several other things but I'm not trying to write a book, so I'll stop listing them now lol. On another note, there are things added in ICS and in Jellybean that just push the OS further ahead. For example, in ICS they added the data manager, so you can control how much data your phone uses. It can warn you when you've consumed a certain amount of data. It can also limit the amount of data you use as a whole, thus keeping you from going over your limits. Things in Jellybean like how Google Now will automatically calculate the time of travel back home (including traffic), without you telling the phone to do anything. You don't have to schedule it, you don't have to make it a destination, it just knows to calculate it, and alert you of the time it will take and traffic along the way (that came in handy on the 4th of July, it saved me from a traffic jam). Those are a couple of things that pushed the OS further ahead, there are more, but this post has gotten long enough lol.



I dunno I have unlimited data. Dont need that.


At this point, I'm sure you get the idea. Do I think that means the iPhone is awful? No. Do I think they have a lot of room for improvement? Yes. I think the iPhone is a decent phone for what it is, I just personally find it lacking in several areas. It has its strengths, but for me, I find it's weaknesses overshadow them, especially when compared to the Android platform. I hope I was able to answer your question a bit.

So now we are left with a list of strengths that I don't care about.

But there are a lot of weaknesses that I sure damn do care about such as:

Generic amateur UI design
Low res touch response technology
Dull screen feel
Uninspired hardware
Inconsistent behavior if not unstable. Buggy.
Ugly Apps/trashware
That damn echoey click sound when you click stuff
Does not understand the importance of the statement: simplicity is the height of prefessionalism in its design philosophy.

Android still has a lot of cathing up to do in CRITICAL areas.

404 tech junkie
Jul 9, 2012, 01:24 AM
[QUOTE=404 tech junkie;15210326]Yes indeed it has passed iOS, and Apple has a bit of catching up to do. Think that was unbearable? The you'll hate this. Here's a shortlist of reasons why iOS has been passed up. I wrote this before, and here it is again just for you:
[quote\]

Ok well I still disagree but lets see what you got...



I rarely if ever have used the notification center. In fact I forget it's there until I play a game and the slider comes up.



Please do. I can't think of anything I need a widget for?



What do you need to share? I can't think of an example of something I would want to do that I can't do? I usually sent to Twitter or to YouTube. Sometimes email and msg. They are all there. What else is there that you need?



I can't see myself needing the file in any other capacity. It's either on my phone or laptop or updated to YouTube?



Strongly disagree. The keyboard and more importantly, the touch response is just phenomenal on iPhone. For years this was the huge demerit for android.

Ppl say well change the keyboard.

But the problem is touch response. It's just different on Android. In a bad way.

It's also a demerit that you have to go download a new keyboard out of box.



Can't see myself needing text wrapping but maybe it could be useful. Can't see myself complaining about that but Chrome is there. Usually 99% of the time I browse I started with the browser so the default browser thing is a stretch of a criticism IMO.


On no this problem is crazy bad.!!!

It's also 2005 right now!



The rest of those are also hard for me to imagine caring about. I usually just browse the web, listen to music, check social networks, play some games while pooping, and send and receive messages. I have a calendar, an alarm clock, a calendar, and they are all very nice in iCloud. I am very organized yet it is seamless and simple and a joy to use, just staring at the glass/glass shinyness.


I dunno I have unlimited data. Dont need that.

Those were all piss poor responses. Try again with something a bit more thought out.


So now we are left with a list of strengths that I don't care about.

But there is a least of weaknesses that I sure damn do care about such as:

1. Generic amateur UI design
2. Low res touch response technology
3. Dull screen feel
4. Uninspired hardware
5. Inconsistent behavior if not unstable. Buggy.
6. Ugly Apps/trashware
7. That damn echoey click sound when you click stuff
8. Does not understand the importance of the statement: simplicity is the height of prefessionalism in its design philosophy.

Android still has a lot of cathing up to do in CRITICAL areas.

1. Android's UI looks much better than the cartoony bubbly looking iOS UI, and is ten times better than looking at the wall of icons you call a home screen. Staring at your home screen is like staring at my app drawer. Why would I want to constantly be in my app drawer? Show me something useful.
2. You have no idea what you're talking about. Try sticking to things you actually have knowledge of.
3. Dull screen feel? Could be any more vague than that? That statement is pitiful, and will not even be dignified with a response.
4. The hardware in the GS3 is better than the 4S, so if it's uninspired, then the 4S is flat out saddening.
5. Name these bugs. I'd love to hear them. What recent high-end Android device has been unstable? I'll wait on that answer.
6. Some are, some aren't. I've seen plenty of garbage apps on iOS too. It comes with the territory of smartphones. Every app isn't elegant and every app isn't ugly.
7. Now you're really reaching. To that, I'd say the only phone with a hardware button on the face is the GS3, all the other are capacitive. That said, the GS3's home button makes no noise. On another note, the iPhone's home button is garbage, and is known for failing...so much for build quality ;)
8. If simplicity is so important, then explain to me why you can't attach whatever attachments you want inside an email. If you want to send more than one attachment, you have to send multiple emails. That doesn't sound simple, that sounds tedious. Explain why I must use a computer to create my own ringtone. That doesn't sound very simple. Why do you have to hack your phone just to change your default browser? That doesn't sound very simple either.

That's the best you've got? That attempt was pathetic. Take your time and come with something more well thought out than that sad attempt you just made.

Technarchy
Jul 9, 2012, 01:33 AM
Bolded statement!!!

Exactly!

These guys are dancing around like monkeys because finally, the iPhone clones aren't embarrassingly garbage anymore.

That's not a victory. That's insecurity.

I've been in the android camp, and still dabble in it during "Root weekends", but nothing about it can sway me back into being an android consumer.

I think it is bad software.

Mac.World
Jul 9, 2012, 01:51 AM
Ok well I still disagree but lets see what you got...

Please do. I can't think of anything I need a widget for?
i don't like widgets either, for the most part, but I do have one that I use. It shows how much data I use on my wifi and on 4g and sets itself for my cycle. Pretty useful feature. Most other widgets are crap though, i agree.


What do you need to share? I can't think of an example of something I would want to do that I can't do? I usually sent to Twitter or to YouTube. Sometimes email and msg. They are all there. What else is there that you need?
Anyone can share photos with each other regardless of phone type with the app 'Bump'. However, iOS is limited in where it can share things.


I can't see myself needing the file in any other capacity. It's either on my phone or laptop or uploaded/shared to YouTube.



Strongly disagree. The keyboard and more importantly, the touch response is just phenomenal on iPhone. For years this was the huge demerit for android.
This is my biggest issue with ios. No predictive keyboard. No customization for the keyboard. Auto-correct is archaic. i need ios to correct my mistakes when I miss spaces or add too many spaces. Right now, it takes me a while to correct everything manually. I turn everything off, cause it is just unbearqble for me.
I just downloaded the Swiftkey keyboard and Oh my god! This is how I want all of my keyboards from now on!!!


But the problem is touch response. It's just different on Android. In a bad way.
I have not noticed this? In fact, I like the haptic feeedback I get when typing. Touch response on both phones is equal imo.

It's also a demerit that you have to go download a new keyboard out of box.

why would this be a demerit. If there is a different keyboard that allows you to be more functional, I see that as a possitive. Apple really should allow more keyboard options.


So now we are left with a list of strengths that I don't care about.

But there are a lot of weaknesses that I sure damn do care about such as:

Generic amateur UI design ??? Both OS's look similar. I don't understand this?
Low res touch response technology - low res? The S3 is 1.5 inches bigger, but isonly 20ppi lower than the smaller iphone. Imo, both screens look great, but the iphones is crisper. Response from touch is equal.
Dull screen feel -> don't know what this means either?
Uninspired hardware -> What hardware would inspire you?
Inconsistent behavior if not unstable. Buggy. -> Again, not something I have noticed.
Ugly Apps/trashware -> as opposed to the fart apps in the ios app store. All these type of stores have crap apps. Apple's reg apps tend to be the best though.

Android still has a lot of cathing up to do in CRITICAL areas.[/QUOTE]

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 01:54 AM
[QUOTE=Bobby Corwen;15210459]
Those were all piss poor responses. Try again with something a bit more thought out.



1. Android's UI looks much better than the cartoony bubbly looking iOS UI, and is ten times better than looking at the wall of icons you call a home screen. Staring at your home screen is like staring at my app drawer. Why would I want to constantly be in my app drawer? Show me something useful.
2. You have no idea what you're talking about. Try sticking to things you actually have knowledge of.
3. Dull screen feel? Could be any more vague than that? That statement is pitiful, and will not even be dignified with a response.
4. The hardware in the GS3 is better than the 4S, so if it's uninspired, then the 4S is flat out saddening.
5. Name these bugs. I'd love to hear them. What recent high-end Android device has been unstable? I'll wait on that answer.
6. Some are, some aren't. I've seen plenty of garbage apps on iOS too. It comes with the territory of smartphones. Every app isn't elegant and every app isn't ugly.
7. Now you're really reaching. To that, I'd say the only phone with a hardware button on the face is the GS3, all the other are capacitive. That said, the GS3's home button makes no noise. On another note, the iPhone's home button is garbage, and is known for failing...so much for build quality ;)
8. If simplicity is so important, then explain to me why you can't attach whatever attachments you want inside an email. If you want to send more than one attachment, you have to send multiple emails. That doesn't sound simple, that sounds tedious. Explain why I must use a computer to create my own ringtone. That doesn't sound very simple. Why do you have to hack your phone just to change your default browser? That doesn't sound very simple either.

That's the best you've got? That attempt was pathetic. Take your time and come with something more well thought out than that sad attempt you just made.


1. I'm talking every detail. Buttons, color scheme choices, shapes, details. Every aspect is just poor and ugly and generic. Why are you talking about widgets when I'm talking UI design?

2. Um touch response? It's not rocket science. iPhone touch response is like what 1080P is to Android being like DVD quality. It just feels like its less responsive and is operating in a lower "resolution" of speed and smoothness. Nice bailout on that answer.

3. Yeah it looks like depressing. Again nice bailout due to no existing rebuttal.

4. Way to pass an oposite opinion as a rebuttal. Nothing is as beutiful as the fancy glass/glass with the metal band. Many people spend time just staring at the shocking beauty and elegance of the iPhone. That's pretty common.

5. I always see people complain and Android suffers from the same thing any other open system like windows does such as slowing down after adding lots of software and getting bloaty and changing over time like a bad spouse. iPhone in the other hand is the same consistent performance speed as the day I got it factory stock despite what I load on it.

6. Some are some aren't but the question is how many? The garbage apps on ios are just anomalies here and there but the mainstream app market is the best on earth. Vs the Android even the mainstream apps are B-squad iterations and is overall filled with trash. Not to mentioned delayed releases. And they are just not popular with the best devs. All the cool devs make stuff for iPhone where all the cool consumers are at. That's the gold one consumer base everyone is after.

7. I'm talking about the software buttons sound effect as a a small nitpick representative of little details that are overlooked and just not Apple status perfectly thought out and evaluated.

8. I've never had to email like that. If I did I would use my laptop most likely. Which is also portable.

chewietobbacca
Jul 9, 2012, 01:54 AM
i don't like widgets either, for the most part, but I do have one that I use. It shows how much data I use on my wifi and on 4g and sets itself for my cycle. Pretty useful feature. Most other widgets are crap though, i agree.


What do you need to share? I can't think of an example of something I would want to do that I can't do? I usually sent to Twitter or to YouTube. Sometimes email and msg. They are all there. What else is there that you need?
Anyone can share photos with each other regardless of phone type with the app 'Bump'. However, iOS is limited in where it can share things.


I can't see myself needing the file in any other capacity. It's either on my phone or laptop or uploaded/shared to YouTube.



Strongly disagree. The keyboard and more importantly, the touch response is just phenomenal on iPhone. For years this was the huge demerit for android.
This is my biggest issue with ios. No predictive keyboard. No customization for the keyboard. Auto-correct is archaic. i need ios to correct my mistakes when I miss spaces or add too many spaces. Right now, it takes me a while to correct everything manually. I turn everything off, cause it is just unbearqble for me.
I just downloaded the Swiftkey keyboard and Oh my god! This is how I want all of my keyboards from now on!!!


But the problem is touch response. It's just different on Android. In a bad way.
I have not noticed this? In fact, I like the haptic feeedback I get when typing. Touch response on both phones is equal imo.

It's also a demerit that you have to go download a new keyboard out of box.

why would this be a demerit. If there is a different keyboard that allows you to be more functional, I see that as a possitive. Apple really should allow more keyboard options.


So now we are left with a list of strengths that I don't care about.

But there are a lot of weaknesses that I sure damn do care about such as:

Generic amateur UI design ??? Both OS's look similar. I don't understand this?
Low res touch response technology - low res? The S3 is 1.5 inches bigger, but isonly 20ppi lower than the smaller iphone. Imo, both screens look great, but the iphones is crisper. Response from touch is equal.
Dull screen feel -> don't know what this means either?
Uninspired hardware -> What hardware would inspire you?
Inconsistent behavior if not unstable. Buggy. -> Again, not something I have noticed.
Ugly Apps/trashware -> as opposed to the fart apps in the ios app store. All these type of stores have crap apps. Apple's reg apps tend to be the best though.

Android still has a lot of cathing up to do in CRITICAL areas.[/QUOTE]

Ignore the troll, really...

"Uninspired hardware?"

Demerit for keyboard alternatives?

Heaven forbid, people have a CHOICE in what they want their phone to do for them! The horror! :eek:

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 02:03 AM
Ignore the troll, really...

"Uninspired hardware?"

Demerit for keyboard alternatives?

Heaven forbid, people have a CHOICE in what they want their phone to do for them! The horror! :eek:

Reported for trying to say I'm trolling because you don't agree with my POV which is against the forum rules.

And yes, the stock Android keyboard is terrible so you're forced to go change it which is unprofessional.

404 tech junkie
Jul 9, 2012, 03:27 AM
[QUOTE=404 tech junkie;15210508]

I've never had to email like that. If I did I would use my laptop most likely. Which is also portable.

You've got to run to your laptop?! Just to send an email with 2 attachments? lol Well while you're lugging around a laptop and having to go boot it up just to send a simple email, I'll be finished doing it on my phone, and be back to my day. lol @ needing a laptop just to send an email. Not exactly making your beloved iPhone look very good right there Bobby.. :p

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 06:23 AM
[QUOTE=404 tech junkie;15210508]


8. I've never had to email like that. If I did I would use my laptop most likely. Which is also portable.

Smartphones, especially the iPhone, are marketed as convergence devices. There's no point in having a smartphone if you're going to carry around a laptop and resort to using that. :confused:

reefoid
Jul 9, 2012, 07:06 AM
[QUOTE=404 tech junkie;15210508]
4. Way to pass an oposite opinion as a rebuttal. Nothing is as beutiful as the fancy glass/glass with the metal band. Many people spend time just staring at the shocking beauty and elegance of the iPhone. That's pretty common.

Really? You know people who just sit and stare at their phone because they think it looks good? Weird, but I suppose it takes all sorts. Anyway, beauty is in the eye of the beholder so is totally subjective and pointless to debate about.

5. I always see people complain and Android suffers from the same thing any other open system like windows does such as slowing down after adding lots of software and getting bloaty and changing over time like a bad spouse. iPhone in the other hand is the same consistent performance speed as the day I got it factory stock despite what I load on it.

Rubbish. Maybe you shouldn't base your arguments on other people's complaints. I've got a SGS2 that is still as fast as the day I got it a year ago. If people are going to have loads of stuff running in the background, obviously there will be a hit. But with normal usage your statement is incorrect.


6. Some are some aren't but the question is how many? The garbage apps on ios are just anomalies here and there but the mainstream app market is the best on earth. Vs the Android even the mainstream apps are B-squad iterations and is overall filled with trash. Not to mentioned delayed releases. And they are just not popular with the best devs. All the cool devs make stuff for iPhone where all the cool consumers are at. That's the gold one consumer base everyone is after.

So its all about being cool? Whatever. All major apps are available on both platforms, and the quality is usually equal. There isn't one app I use on my work 4S that I can't get on Android.

8. I've never had to email like that. If I did I would use my laptop most likely. Which is also portable.

Really, that's the best you can do? Yeah, I really want to carry both my phone and laptop around with me on the off chance I get asked to mail multiple attachments whilst I'm on the beach/down the pub/out shopping.

jayenh
Jul 9, 2012, 08:24 AM
1. I'm talking every detail. Buttons, color scheme choices, shapes, details. Every aspect is just poor and ugly and generic. Why are you talking about widgets when I'm talking UI design?

this is like arguing between tea and coffee.... different people have different tastes. personally i don't think android is ugly and generic at all.


2. Um touch response? It's not rocket science. iPhone touch response is like what 1080P is to Android being like DVD quality. It just feels like its less responsive and is operating in a lower "resolution" of speed and smoothness. Nice bailout on that answer.


not sure if you have used an android device lately, but this just isn't true any more. when i used my GF's android device 2 from 2 years ago i thought the same thing. there was lag, no question. the response between moving your finger and the app or page or whatever scrolling was noticeable, but it doesn't exist any more. even before jelly bean, ICS seemed to fix this for the most part, and even before ICS the hardware out this time last year was smoothening the experience


3. Yeah it looks like depressing. Again nice bailout due to no existing rebuttal.


you're doing the exact same thing.... and again, you're arguing opinion and taste as fact.


4. Way to pass an oposite opinion as a rebuttal. Nothing is as beutiful as the fancy glass/glass with the metal band. Many people spend time just staring at the shocking beauty and elegance of the iPhone. That's pretty common.


do you read your own posts before making comments like this....? again, you're doing the exact same thing. the majority of your list for the other guy was all opinion based.


5. I always see people complain and Android suffers from the same thing any other open system like windows does such as slowing down after adding lots of software and getting bloaty and changing over time like a bad spouse. iPhone in the other hand is the same consistent performance speed as the day I got it factory stock despite what I load on it.


never come across this any more than an iphone. take the iphone 4, which begins to suffer from the same performance issues you are talking about when you start to fill it with apps. hell, even my ipad 3 has its slow downs. you will always get this. for the most part things will be smooth, but with ANY system you will get moments were things slow down.


6. Some are some aren't but the question is how many? The garbage apps on ios are just anomalies here and there but the mainstream app market is the best on earth. Vs the Android even the mainstream apps are B-squad iterations and is overall filled with trash. Not to mentioned delayed releases. And they are just not popular with the best devs. All the cool devs make stuff for iPhone where all the cool consumers are at. That's the gold one consumer base everyone is after.


try browsing any category by top free or top paid. unless you know exactly what you want both stores are as bad as each other, ie 90% garbage and 10% what you actually want, that is not an "anomaly". i find it easier to google the type of app and then go in to the store after i have found one i like the look of and search for it by name. both stores are horrible to browse.

as for delays, there are plenty of apps were this is the other way round. and in most cases the delays are days/weeks, that's nothing.

by the way, "all the cool devs" just sounds so blind. you make this sound like a "my dad is bigger than your dad" kids fight and, again, turn your argument in to an opinion. your idea of a "cool" dev might not be someone elses. personally i care more about the product itself than the company that makes it

7. I'm talking about the software buttons sound effect as a a small nitpick representative of little details that are overlooked and just not Apple status perfectly thought out and evaluated.


taste again. although the hardware failure of the home button is a valid point by the other guy, its why i had to get a new phone.

8. I've never had to email like that. If I did I would use my laptop most likely. Which is also portable.

if your laptop is so portable why do you have a smartphone?

Wrathwitch
Jul 9, 2012, 08:44 AM
Why do you keep insisting that it's as smooth? Touch response is still not in the same league. Loading a page fast is not the same as UI interaction. Do you even understand the difference?

I used an S3 just yesterday and it's still not as beautiful of an experience as an iPhone.

LOL!! I love your attitude Bobby, you never cease to put in a reply that makes this whole thread a pi***ng contest. Why I insist on saying it is smooth IS BECAUSE IT IS!!!! It's not like I have never used an iPhone, iPad or iMac in my life. I have carried and loved my iP4 for 2 years, I own a new gen iPad (which DOES stutter using Pulse news reader when I scroll). I think what you fail to realize that ALL tech devices INCLUDING APPLE have some minute stutters. If I was to just look at my phone and evaluate it completely on how SMOOOOOOTH my scrolling or app opening or menu or home page swapping was I would never have ANY phone!!!! To me it is smooth, I have yet to notice ANY lag that is noticeable or remarkable enough to note. Meaning, there is not one thing on this phone that I have tried to enable, activate, or start that has caused me any discernible lag or pauses. Sheesh! Just because you see things differently from me is no reason to assume that my vision is faulty because I don't see things the way you do. If I did, I think I would be a miserable person.

And that is exactly what makes their ridiculous "Android has passed up iPhone" comments so unbearable, because they're just not "getting it"

Its one thing if they simply don't get it, but it's another when they are so cock-sure about some supposed superiority that only exists in their minds because they couldnt even tell a crow from a fox tail.

Because the WHOLE mobile phone market is completely contingent upon YOUR desires eh? Well I am glad to know that, perhaps you can go tell Tim Cook to stand down because you have it all under control and know what everyone wants!!

Ok well I still disagree but lets see what you got...



I rarely if ever have used the notification center. In fact I forget it's there until I play a game and the slider comes up.



Please do. I can't think of anything I need a widget for?



What do you need to share? I can't think of an example of something I would want to do that I can't do? I usually sent to Twitter or to YouTube. Sometimes email and msg. They are all there. What else is there that you need?



I can't see myself needing the file in any other capacity. It's either on my phone or laptop or uploaded/shared to YouTube.



Strongly disagree. The keyboard and more importantly, the touch response is just phenomenal on iPhone. For years this was the huge demerit for android.

Ppl say well change the keyboard.

But the problem is touch response. It's just different on Android. In a bad way.

It's also a demerit that you have to go download a new keyboard out of box.



Can't see myself needing text wrapping but maybe it could be useful. Can't see myself complaining about that but Chrome is there. Usually 99% of the time I browse I started with the browser so the default browser thing is a stretch of a criticism IMO.


On no this problem is crazy bad.!!!

It's also 2005 right now!



The rest of those are also hard for me to imagine caring about. I usually just browse the web, listen to music, check social networks, play some games while pooping, and send and receive messages. I have a calendar, an alarm clock, a calculator, and they are all very nice in iCloud. I am very organized yet it is seamless and simple and a joy to use, just staring at the glass/glass shinyness.


I dunno I have unlimited data. Dont need that.



So now we are left with a list of strengths that I don't care about.

But there are a lot of weaknesses that I sure damn do care about such as:

Generic amateur UI design
Low res touch response technology
Dull screen feel
Uninspired hardware
Inconsistent behavior if not unstable. Buggy.
Ugly Apps/trashware
That damn echoey click sound when you click stuff
Does not understand the importance of the statement: simplicity is the height of prefessionalism in its design philosophy.

Android still has a lot of cathing up to do in CRITICAL areas.

404 Tech guy put in a very well thought out post and I believe you just skimmed it and looked at it in a "I don't use this, I don't like that, I am the center of the universe" He wasn't criticizing anyone but laid out some very interesting facts. I know it sounds like I am bashing you Bobby, but what I am bashing is the fact that you have to sink your teeth into every Android post with complete biased attitude, without even giving creditability to others that may not choose the same as you. So rather than saying something like "Good points dude, lets agree to disagree" you just keep plowing on like a kid who wants a candy. MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM!!!

Reported for trying to say I'm trolling because you don't agree with my POV which is against the forum rules.

And yes, the stock Android keyboard is terrible so you're forced to go change it which is unprofessional.

As much as I LOVED my iP4 the keyboard was not the best for me and I would have LOVED the chance to modify it just a bit to work for my hands. Is it really unprofessional to modify our own personal tools to work in the way that provides us with the best user experience?

TroyBoy30
Jul 9, 2012, 08:47 AM
ive had an imported gsm gnex since it came out and I cant wait to get rid of it. Battery life is terrible, gps barely works, the phone gets hot and the OS has no consistency. even the menu button changes places depending on what you are doing. I also though I would like widgets but most are simply glorified shortcuts same as going into the app itself.

Wrathwitch
Jul 9, 2012, 09:02 AM
ive had an imported gsm gnex since it came out and I cant wait to get rid of it. Battery life is terrible, gps barely works, the phone gets hot and the OS has no consistency. even the menu button changes places depending on what you are doing. I also though I would like widgets but most are simply glorified shortcuts same as going into the app itself.

too bad it didn't work out for you but I am sure you will love iPhone if that is the way you decide to go. I really enjoyed mine for the 2 years I had it! I also agree with you a bit on widgets. I recently learned in a painful factory reset kinda way that if you delete widgets you delete the apps. I haven't found a widget I like enough or want enough to put on my home screen!!!

I have also heard that Windows phones now are on par for OS fluidity and solidity with iOS now. I just don't care for the UI.

maflynn
Jul 9, 2012, 09:04 AM
I have also heard that Windows phones now are on par for OS fluidity and solidity with iOS now. I just don't care for the UI.
I don't like the metro UI as well, but I have heard positive reviews of the OS. I wold recommend avoiding a windows phone until they release WP8. The reason is that MS has decided not to upgrade existing windows phones to windows 8. Why spend $$, and/or be locked into a phone with limited upgrades (they promised point updates to provide added features).

Wrathwitch
Jul 9, 2012, 09:09 AM
I don't like the metro UI as well, but I have heard positive reviews of the OS. I wold recommend avoiding a windows phone until they release WP8. The reason is that MS has decided not to upgrade existing windows phones to windows 8. Why spend $$, and/or be locked into a phone with limited upgrades (they promised point updates to provide added features).

I agree with you totally. Lumia is a beautiful design, I kind of wish that Nokia went with Android vs Microsoft I would have LOVED that form factor for my S3!

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 12:20 PM
I recently learned in a painful factory reset kinda way that if you delete widgets you delete the apps.

Are you talking about removing a widget from your home screens or from the app manager? If you press and hold a widget and drag it to "remove" it won't delete the app, it will just remove it from the home screen. As for in the app manager, widgets are usually installed as part of an app so they're one and the same, i.e. you only have "Facebook" installed and not "Facebook" and "Facebook widget" :)

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 03:06 PM
You've got to run to your laptop?! Just to send an email with 2 attachments? lol Well while you're lugging around a laptop and having to go boot it up just to send a simple email, I'll be finished doing it on my phone, and be back to my day. lol @ needing a laptop just to send an email. Not exactly making your beloved iPhone look very good right there Bobby.. :p

In my whole life, I dont remember ever needing to send two different types of attachments. To the point that if I had to do it, it would be so rare that having to send 2 (TWO!) whole emails wouldnt matter. I only send pictures or word documents. That is it.

If I was ever taking care of business further than the scope of pictures or word documents (like music files or something) it would be done on my Macbook.

And if for some reason I dont have access to my laptop Ill just use my phone and dammmit... open up TWO whole emails.

Bring the pain!



Smartphones, especially the iPhone, are marketed as convergence devices. There's no point in having a smartphone if you're going to carry around a laptop and resort to using that. :confused:

Well in a pinch, I could still do it from my phone. I dont see what I would need to do, but whatever it is, it is still executable and achievable. Whatever theoretical thing that might be.



Really? You know people who just sit and stare at their phone because they think it looks good? Weird, but I suppose it takes all sorts. Anyway, beauty is in the eye of the beholder so is totally subjective and pointless to debate about.

Yes I do. I do it. Many people do it. Jealous?



Rubbish. Maybe you shouldn't base your arguments on other people's complaints. I've got a SGS2 that is still as fast as the day I got it a year ago. If people are going to have loads of stuff running in the background, obviously there will be a hit. But with normal usage your statement is incorrect.

So you agreed there will be a hit. Well, I doubt you ever owned an iPhone based on the fact that you dont realize it doesnt have to be that way. With Android, since its such an open system (cue angel choir) now you have more work to do and stress out in your mind everytime you install something. Is this gonna slow down my system?? With Steve Jobs devices, you dont have to EVER worry about that.


So its all about being cool? Whatever. All major apps are available on both platforms, and the quality is usually equal. There isn't one app I use on my work 4S that I can't get on Android.

Fair enough but it is still nice to know that the iOS side is the most supported side and you will never run into unpleasant surprises and roadblocks. Its the premier app store and it feels good knowing that you are working with the best software the developers of our generation have to offer. The superior elegance really makes itself count in this area.

Really, that's the best you can do? Yeah, I really want to carry both my phone and laptop around with me on the off chance I get asked to mail multiple attachments whilst I'm on the beach/down the pub/out shopping.

why would that ever happen???? What kind of mission critical scenario are you talking about?

"Marcus, I know youre at the beach but I need you to email me that "???" file and that other "???" file.

"Dang it!!!! Im gonna have to send you two emails Marv! Cr@p!!!"



this is like arguing between tea and coffee.... different people have different tastes. personally i don't think android is ugly and generic at all.

No thats like comparing an Aston Martin to a Toyota and saying "well I dont think the Toyota is ugly."

not sure if you have used an android device lately, but this just isn't true any more. when i used my GF's android device 2 from 2 years ago i thought the same thing. there was lag, no question. the response between moving your finger and the app or page or whatever scrolling was noticeable, but it doesn't exist any more. even before jelly bean, ICS seemed to fix this for the most part, and even before ICS the hardware out this time last year was smoothening the experience

Im not talking about "lag" im talking about "touch response" and "feel"

Yes it is still there I just checked two days ago and I being an iPhone owner I can feel a percievalbe difference. Its like a lower framerate of behavior. A small detail. But a very important one since it permeates into everything you do on the device.

you're doing the exact same thing.... and again, you're arguing opinion and taste as fact.

do you read your own posts before making comments like this....? again, you're doing the exact same thing. the majority of your list for the other guy was all opinion based.

you just did that in the first paragraph in this very post though.. lol lol lol

never come across this any more than an iphone. take the iphone 4, which begins to suffer from the same performance issues you are talking about when you start to fill it with apps. hell, even my ipad 3 has its slow downs. you will always get this. for the most part things will be smooth, but with ANY system you will get moments were things slow down.

I think now you are making the Android platform seem more stable than it is. Its just not built that way and no, on iPhone 4S and iPad 3 there is no changes in behavior because it is a closed system.

try browsing any category by top free or top paid. unless you know exactly what you want both stores are as bad as each other, ie 90% garbage and 10% what you actually want, that is not an "anomaly". i find it easier to google the type of app and then go in to the store after i have found one i like the look of and search for it by name. both stores are horrible to browse.

Store browsing experience is different than store content but I agree, I also just research outside of the store first.

as for delays, there are plenty of apps were this is the other way round. and in most cases the delays are days/weeks, that's nothing.

Tiny Wings

by the way, "all the cool devs" just sounds so blind. you make this sound like a "my dad is bigger than your dad" kids fight and, again, turn your argument in to an opinion. your idea of a "cool" dev might not be someone elses. personally i care more about the product itself than the company that makes it

Well this is valid because the best devs = the best products and apps. So its important.

if your laptop is so portable why do you have a smartphone?
I use both for different things. Also the iPad has its golden place.


LOL!! I love your attitude Bobby,
THANKS!

you never cease to put in a reply that makes this whole thread a pi***ng contest. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Why I insist on saying it is smooth IS BECAUSE IT IS!!!! WRONG!

It's not like I have never used an iPhone, iPad or iMac in my life. I have carried and loved my iP4 for 2 years, I own a new gen iPad (which DOES stutter using Pulse news reader when I scroll). I think what you fail to realize that ALL tech devices INCLUDING APPLE have some minute stutters. But they are not the same! iOS is still smoother because of the way its built as a closed system!

If I was to just look at my phone and evaluate it completely on how SMOOOOOOTH my scrolling or app opening or menu or home page swapping was I would never have ANY phone!!!! To me it is smooth, I have yet to notice ANY lag that is noticeable or remarkable enough to note. Meaning, there is not one thing on this phone that I have tried to enable, activate, or start that has caused me any discernible lag or pauses. Sheesh! Just because you see things differently from me is no reason to assume that my vision is faulty because I don't see things the way you do. If I did, I think I would be a miserable person.

Im not saying youre blind silly, just saying that the feel is more rewarding and intutitive based on a few various factors of detail that all come together to make a more "responsive" experience. Thats different than not seeing it. Its that youre not "feeling' it. You feel me??



Because the WHOLE mobile phone market is completely contingent upon YOUR desires eh? Well I am glad to know that, perhaps you can go tell Tim Cook to stand down because you have it all under control and know what everyone wants!!

If Phil Schiller needs some help he can always ask me questions I would be glad to give my feedback on anything he needs.

404 Tech guy put in a very well thought out post and I believe you just skimmed it and looked at it in a "I don't use this, I don't like that, I am the center of the universe" He wasn't criticizing anyone but laid out some very interesting facts. I know it sounds like I am bashing you Bobby, but what I am bashing is the fact that you have to sink your teeth into every Android post with complete biased attitude, without even giving creditability to others that may not choose the same as you. So rather than saying something like "Good points dude, lets agree to disagree" you just keep plowing on like a kid who wants a candy. MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM!!!

Its not that Im not giving their side a chance, its that its all been pre-evaluated and discussed before in great detail so I already know all their potential arguments. I also know all their potential biases and hidden agendas which motivate them to take these stances which upon further inspection turn out to be insecurites which influence their decisions. So I went to the store and looked at an S3 and it is still lacking from a consumer standpoint. I am a lot less biased than you might think. My main talent in life is understanding consumers mindstates. And it is from that vantage point that I am able to criticize their opinions because the moment that Android DOES catch up (if it does) I will be the first to notice it and admit it. Until then, it continues to be a foregone conclusion and a product of anti-establishment insecurity bias of wanting Android, (anybody) to be better than Apple which influences their choices, as a consumer, in a skewed way.

As much as I LOVED my iP4 the keyboard was not the best for me and I would have LOVED the chance to modify it just a bit to work for my hands. Is it really unprofessional to modify our own personal tools to work in the way that provides us with the best user experience?

Id rather it just works. I have lots of girls to message and send pictures to. I dont have time to fiddle around with techie stuff


I don't care so much about what the phone can do as it currently does everything I need it to do, the rest are just bells I'll never ring and whistles I'll never blow.

Fireblade
Jul 9, 2012, 03:06 PM
Steve Jobs said the iPhone was 5 years ahead of anyone else, and he was so spot on.

Of course the iPhone ist still 5 years ahead, but the question is ahead of what.

iPhone is about 2010, so it is 5 years ahead of this (Nokia 1600, 2005).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Nokia1600_01.jpg/200px-Nokia1600_01.jpg

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 03:19 PM
Well in a pinch, I could still do it from my phone. I dont see what I would need to do, but whatever it is, it is still executable and achievable. Whatever theoretical thing that might be.

You talk like sending multiple attachments in an email is some bizarre thing that nobody ever does... I have to do that multiple times a day in my job. In honesty, I don't need to use my phone to do it because I have a desk job, but it would be such a nightmare on the iPhone if I was mobile.

If I wanted to attach a spreadsheet and a word processed document to an email, I'd have to send two different emails, and I cant attach either of those types of files from the email app, I'd have to go into each individual app (pages, numbers) and send them that way.

I've been able to attach multiple files to a single email since I started using computers like 15 years ago.

I'm not trying to convince you the iPhone isn't right for you or whatever, just concede that there are things that can be improved upon.

dgree03
Jul 9, 2012, 03:41 PM
I don't care so much about what the phone can do as it currently does everything I need it to do, the rest are just bells I'll never ring and whistles I'll never blow.

ahh now we get to the basis of your entire argument. You don't care about features you dont use, so therefore that cannot make the S3 better than the iPhone... because YOU don't USE the features extra features on the S3.

SO why don't you list what apps or functions you do use your phone for, then someone can create a pointed rebuttal at your "CORE NEEDS"... but I can tell you from experience.. there isn't much even in that arena that the iPhone bests the S3 in.

But hey you can try, right?

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You talk like sending multiple attachments in an email is some bizarre thing that nobody ever does... I have to do that multiple times a day in my job. In honesty, I don't need to use my phone to do it because I have a desk job, but it would be such a nightmare on the iPhone if I was mobile.

If I wanted to attach a spreadsheet and a word processed document to an email, I'd have to send two different emails, and I cant attach either of those types of files from the email app, I'd have to go into each individual app (pages, numbers) and send them that way.

I've been able to attach multiple files to a single email since I started using computers like 15 years ago.

I'm not trying to convince you the iPhone isn't right for you or whatever, just concede that there are things that can be improved upon.

I mean isn't the iPhone a "SMARTPHONE"? what is so smart about not being able to attach multiple document types to one email?

No smart dial?

Having to drill into setting to turn on and off bluetooth and airplane mode?

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 03:50 PM
You talk like sending multiple attachments in an email is some bizarre thing that nobody ever does... I have to do that multiple times a day in my job. In honesty, I don't need to use my phone to do it because I have a desk job, but it would be such a nightmare on the iPhone if I was mobile.

So how many people of the population of Earth you think have jobs where they have to send multiple types of attachments and dont have a laptop? And would need to do it from a phone instead?

Think for a second, what would you say that % is?

If I wanted to attach a spreadsheet and a word processed document to an email, I'd have to send two different emails, and I cant attach either of those types of files from the email app, I'd have to go into each individual app (pages, numbers) and send them that way.

Oh no, thats a nightmare!

ahh now we get to the basis of your entire argument. You don't care about features you dont use, so therefore that cannot make the S3 better than the iPhone... because YOU don't USE the features extra features on the S3.

Its not just me, its the majority of consumers. My girlfriend doesn't use any of that stuff besides phone, text, contacts, web, facebook app.

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 03:59 PM
So how many people of the population of Earth you think have jobs where they have to send multiple types of attachments and dont have a laptop? And would need to do it from a phone instead?

Think for a second, what would you say that % is?

Doctors, lawyers, politicians, anyone that owns their own business... basically anyone that doesnt have a sit down job.


Oh no, thats a nightmare!

It is when you have to do it multiple times a day. Why are you so against improvements? You seem to revel in the fact that things are more difficult on iOS? You are strange.

importfan
Jul 9, 2012, 04:09 PM
How can you fall behind if you are still ahead? They have the most stable system. The most consistent behavior. The best UI.

Just sayin

http://www.bgr.com/2012/02/03/ios-apps-crash-more-than-android-apps-study-shows/

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 04:19 PM
You seem to revel in the fact that things are more difficult on iOS?

I wouldn't phrase it like that.

Lol at doctors needing to do their work on an iPhone and supposedly sending complex email attachments from a cell phone.

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Just sayin

http://www.bgr.com/2012/02/03/ios-apps-crash-more-than-android-apps-study-shows/

Are you also gonna mention the caveat or should I?

importfan
Jul 9, 2012, 04:22 PM
Are you also gonna mention the caveat or should I?

By "caveat" do you mean a delusional response you have concocted to try and spin the facts? Sure, why not. I could use a good laugh

dgree03
Jul 9, 2012, 04:29 PM
So how many people of the population of Earth you think have jobs where they have to send multiple types of attachments and dont have a laptop? And would need to do it from a phone instead?

Think for a second, what would you say that % is?



Oh no, thats a nightmare!



Its not just me, its the majority of consumers. My girlfriend doesn't use any of that stuff besides phone, text, contacts, web, facebook app.

You + your GF = Everybody.. ok got it...:rolleyes:

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 04:29 PM
I wouldn't phrase it like that.

Lol at doctors needing to do their work on an iPhone and supposedly sending complex email attachments from a cell phone.

Doctors sometimes have to spend entire days out of the office, for example when they have to attend court to give expert evidence. Is it so hard to believe they'd use a smartphone to send emails?

You're very narrow minded if you don't believe that.

I never said anything about complex attachments either, I'm talking bog standard ones like word documents, spreadsheets, and other such files that are used every day in the workplace.

rendevouspoo
Jul 9, 2012, 04:31 PM
Whenever I'm out of the office I may get emails that need to be forwarded with numerous attachments. Civil Engineers really need that feature.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 04:32 PM
By "caveat" do you mean a delusional response you have concocted to try and spin the facts? Sure, why not. I could use a good laugh

That study was done inmediately right after a major iOS overhaul so the data was skewed and not indicative of any real world experiences.

We're you plannin to disclose that or no?

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Doctors sometimes have to spend entire days out of the office, for example when they have to attend court to give expert evidence. Is it so hard to believe they'd use a smartphone to send emails?

You're very narrow minded if you don't believe that.

I never said anything about complex attachments either, I'm talking bog standard ones like word documents, spreadsheets, and other such files that are used every day in the workplace.

They can do all of that from the iPhone if they need to. Nothing is stopping them. I dont see what the issue is.

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 04:34 PM
That study was done inmediately right after a major iOS overhaul so the data was skewed and not indicative of any real world experiences.

We're you plannin to disclose that or no?

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They can do all of that from the iPhone if they need to. Nothing is stopping them. I dont see what the issue is.

Only 28.64% of the crashes occurred on iOS 5 :p

Yes they can, it's just awkward. There's nothing wrong with improving existing features is there?

It's like..why add folders when apps could be accessed anyway without them? Why implement iCloud when you can just sync?

Mac.World
Jul 9, 2012, 04:39 PM
They can do all of that from the iPhone if they need to. Nothing is stopping them. I dont see what the issue is.

Believe he is saying that it isn't possible for a doctor with an iphone to receive a word doc about a patient from one of his interns, open the doc, make changes and then email it back with an additional attachment. As in it is not possible on a non-jailbroken iphone to add attachments to an email. Something like that?

It's been a long time since I have had a non-jailbroken iDevice, so I have always been able to add any attachment I wanted or open an attachment via multiple apps, edit in multiple apps, etc....

nefan65
Jul 9, 2012, 04:40 PM
Doctors sometimes have to spend entire days out of the office, for example when they have to attend court to give expert evidence. Is it so hard to believe they'd use a smartphone to send emails?


Not sure about the UK or other countries, but in the U.S. HIPPA regs limit what can and cannot be sent via email. Usually it's just a link to a secure web site.

But I would like iOS to include multi attachments. It would be handy.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 9, 2012, 04:41 PM
Believe he is saying that it isn't possible for a doctor with an iphone to receive a word doc about a patient from one of his interns, open the doc, make changes and then email it back with an additional attachment. As in it is not possible on a non-jailbroken iphone to add attachments to an email. Something like that?

It's been a long time since I have had a non-jailbroken iDevice, so I have always been able to add any attachment I wanted or open an attachment via multiple apps, edit in multiple apps, etc....

I've never had to do that so I never jailbreaked. But it's nice to know I can unlock my phone to do that If I desperately needed to.

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 04:48 PM
Not sure about the UK or other countries, but in the U.S. HIPPA regs limit what can and cannot be sent via email. Usually it's just a link to a secure web site.

But I would like iOS to include multi attachments. It would be handy.

That was just an example, it's by no means the scenario where you might need to send multiple files other than images and video.

Not heard of a law like that here!

nefan65
Jul 9, 2012, 04:51 PM
That was just an example, it's by no means the scenario where you might need to send multiple files other than images and video.

Not heard of a law like that here!

Here? Not sure where you're at? :)

It's a big deal in the US. Protection of medical records. I only know because I was a Director of IT for over 12 years in a hospital.

matttye
Jul 9, 2012, 05:04 PM
Here? Not sure where you're at? :)

It's a big deal in the US. Protection of medical records. I only know because I was a Director of IT for over 12 years in a hospital.

UK.

There's the data protection act but that only specifies who can access data, not how it's shared.

nefan65
Jul 9, 2012, 05:08 PM
UK.

There's the data protection act but that only specifies who can access data, not how it's shared.

Ohhhh...similar verbiage in HIPAA, with guidelines for what I mentioned above.

walie
Jul 9, 2012, 11:38 PM
I've never had to do that so I never jailbreaked. But it's nice to know I can unlock my phone to do that If I desperately needed to.

you're getting your terminology mixed up again

as usual

bigsexyy81
Jul 10, 2012, 01:33 AM
Decided the Galaxy S3 is my next phone.

Now how to get one of these bad boys...

TroyBoy30
Jul 10, 2012, 07:52 AM
In the past the apple app store was way ahead of the android market. Not so much now since they pretty much mirror each other. the major difference now is the apps on android simply do not have the high quality of the apple apps.

Stuntman06
Jul 10, 2012, 12:44 PM
I agree with you totally. Lumia is a beautiful design, I kind of wish that Nokia went with Android vs Microsoft I would have LOVED that form factor for my S3!

Me, too. I used to use a Nokia N97 as my primary phone. I love the physical build of the device. Unfortuantely, the OS and software sucked for the most part other than Ovi Maps which is one of the main reasons I got it. I still like the physical aspect of this phone more so than my current HTC Desire Z. If Nokia made an Android phone, I would have considered another Nokia at the time.

The latest word from Nokia is that they expect their WP phones to pick up in popularity next spring. I'm still skeptical, but that may be the time that I will be looking for a new phone. If they come out with a phone with a good landscape slider keyboard, I will give it some serious consideration. I love the keyboard on my old N97 more so than my Desire Z.

NikeTalk
Jul 10, 2012, 03:00 PM
Had the S3 for two weeks and gave it up to wait and see what the iPhone 5 has in store. The S3 is a great phone and I regret my decision everyday. With no word of anything about the iPhone 5 outside of rumors and speculation I might go back to the S3 and make that my new permanent phone. Starting to be annoyed by Apple's whole secrecy deal :mad:

BFizzzle
Jul 10, 2012, 03:04 PM
Had the S3 for two weeks and gave it up to wait and see what the iPhone 5 has in store. The S3 is a great phone and I regret my decision everyday. With no word of anything about the iPhone 5 outside of rumors and speculation I might go back to the S3 and make that my new permanent phone. Starting to be annoyed by Apple's whole secrecy deal :mad:

ive been thinking about the s3 for other reasons.
im fairly sure all companies keep their phones secret until announced lol..

batting1000
Jul 10, 2012, 03:08 PM
In the past the apple app store was way ahead of the android market. Not so much now since they pretty much mirror each other. the major difference now is the apps on android simply do not have the high quality of the apple apps.

How does the Play Store mirror the App Store then? You kinda contradict yourself.

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Had the S3 for two weeks and gave it up to wait and see what the iPhone 5 has in store. The S3 is a great phone and I regret my decision everyday. With no word of anything about the iPhone 5 outside of rumors and speculation I might go back to the S3 and make that my new permanent phone. Starting to be annoyed by Apple's whole secrecy deal :mad:

That's pretty much what all companies do, or try to, anyway. It's sad that you're mad about that. It's not just Apple.

Stuntman06
Jul 10, 2012, 03:16 PM
Had the S3 for two weeks and gave it up to wait and see what the iPhone 5 has in store. The S3 is a great phone and I regret my decision everyday. With no word of anything about the iPhone 5 outside of rumors and speculation I might go back to the S3 and make that my new permanent phone. Starting to be annoyed by Apple's whole secrecy deal :mad:

It's hard to compare an actually released product with one that is only speculated. What happens if you don't think the next iPhone is that great? You would have deprived yourself of what you described as a "great phone" for the next few months.

Vegastouch
Jul 10, 2012, 08:28 PM
Reported for trying to say I'm trolling because you don't agree with my POV which is against the forum rules.

And yes, the stock Android keyboard is terrible so you're forced to go change it which is unprofessional.

No, you change it because you can...and there are many others that yes, are better than the stock keyboard. The keyboard that is awful imo is the iPhone keyboard. Purely dreadful.

Zaft
Jul 10, 2012, 08:51 PM
No, you change it because you can...and there are many others that yes, are better than the stock keyboard. The keyboard that is awful imo is the iPhone keyboard. Purely dreadful.

What's so dreadful about it? I have zero problems with it

Vegastouch
Jul 10, 2012, 08:56 PM
What's so dreadful about it? I have zero problems with it

I hated typing on my iPhone. First of all it was too small, it lagged when you turned it horizontal to have a bigger keyboard and the auto correct was a pain in th a**. It was typo city everytime and made texting un-enjoyable.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 10, 2012, 09:25 PM
No, you change it because you can...and there are many others that yes, are better than the stock keyboard. The keyboard that is awful imo is the iPhone keyboard. Purely dreadful.

What's so dreadful about it? It's the best feel.

TroyBoy30
Jul 11, 2012, 12:24 PM
How does the Play Store mirror the App Store then? You kinda contradict yourself.

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That's pretty much what all companies do, or try to, anyway. It's sad that you're mad about that. It's not just Apple.

you used to could argue that google play store was lacking a ton of apps that the app store had. that is no longer the case IE they now mirror each other in app selection. what google play is lacking still is the quality of those apps that it finally offers

everyone saying the keyboard choices on android are superior, i disagree. I have both swype and swifkey, which are supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread, on my gnex. they both suck. The keys on swiftkey are too small and swype still auto corrects words incorrectly that have been added manually. IMO typing on the iphone was much better.

Stuntman06
Jul 11, 2012, 01:41 PM
everyone saying the keyboard choices on android are superior, i disagree. I have both swype and swifkey, which are supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread, on my gnex. they both suck. The keys on swiftkey are too small and swype still auto corrects words incorrectly that have been added manually. IMO typing on the iphone was much better.

Keyboard choices on Android are superior. On Android, I have the option of having a phone with a physical keyboard. Just my personal preference. I like to actually feel the keys under my fingers.

I wonder if there will be any left when I get my next phone. There seem to be fewer and fewer of them every year now.

TroyBoy30
Jul 11, 2012, 03:55 PM
I like to actually feel the keys under my fingers.



so you're the one! :eek: