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MacRumors
Jul 3, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Claims of an "iPad mini" have been circulating for some time now, with a number of the reports indicating that Apple is planning to launch the device with a 7.85-inch display later this year. While the rumors have been evolving for quite some time now, things have been beginning to firm up a bit with a report last month (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/10/7-inch-ipad-with-retina-display-coming-in-october-priced-at-200-250/) from iMore, which has offered accurate information on several topics in recent months.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/03/ipad_mini_mockup_iphone.jpg
Mockup (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/23/this-is-what-a-7-85-inch-ipad-looks-and-feels-like/) of 7.85-inch iPad next to an iPhone (courtesy of CiccareseDesign (http://www.ciccaresedesign.com/))
Unwired View now points (http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/07/02/ipad-mini-to-cost-249-299-will-come-with-7-85-inch-sharp-igzo-display-panel/) to a report (http://news.mydrivers.com/1/233/233054.htm) [Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://news.mydrivers.com/1/233/233054.htm&hl=en&langpair=auto%7Cen)] from Chinese site MyDrivers.com claiming that Apple will indeed be launching a 7.85-inch iPad later this year. According to the report's anonymous supply chain sources, the iPad mini will carry roughly the same thickness as the iPad 2, with Apple using Sharp's indium gallium zinc oxide (IGZO) technology to create a thinner and brighter display.

IGZO displays had been rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/29/apple-to-use-igzo-displays-to-achieve-a-thinner-lower-power-ipad-3/) for Apple's third-generation iPad, but they were apparently not ready in time, as Sharp did not begin mass production (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/13/sharp-begins-mass-production-of-retina-resolution-igzo-displays/) of such panels until mid-April.

Just days ago, Chinese site Apple Daily reported (via DigiTimes (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120629PB202.html)) that Apple will be refreshing the current iPad this summer with new IGZO displays. But with even DigiTimes calling the claim "highly doubtful", those waiting for such an update are likely to be disappointed.

Article Link: Apple Planning for 7.85-Inch 'iPad Mini' with IGZO Display Later This Year? (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/03/apple-planning-for-7-85-inch-ipad-mini-with-igzo-display-later-this-year/)



G5isAlive
Jul 3, 2012, 12:26 PM
I can do a mockup like that in photoshop too. But I would like to see one.

troop231
Jul 3, 2012, 12:27 PM
I'm happy with my 9.7" iPad. Can't see myself purchasing a smaller model.

Drew n macs
Jul 3, 2012, 12:27 PM
I would welcome the addition... despite others saying it wont happen.

Peace
Jul 3, 2012, 12:28 PM
I can do a mockup like that in photoshop too. But I would like to see one.

Here's one. It's called the Nexus 7. :rolleyes:

http://www4.pcmag.com/media/images/293570-google-nexus-7.jpg

koolmagicguy
Jul 3, 2012, 12:28 PM
Getting old.

xkmxkmxlmx
Jul 3, 2012, 12:28 PM
I really hope this happens. I really want a mid range tablet, but not so much that I am willing to go down the Android route.

MIDI_EVIL
Jul 3, 2012, 12:28 PM
Absolutely welcome!

9.7 is too clumsy, imho...

ThatsMeRight
Jul 3, 2012, 12:29 PM
Yippie... even more work for developers.

b3thomso
Jul 3, 2012, 12:29 PM
No need for it. iPhone for on the go. iPad for when im home/in the hotel.

adildacoolset
Jul 3, 2012, 12:29 PM
It may be good, so it can compete with the nexus 7 which is gaining traction already. And what a coincidence, I've just been thinking as to where the 7" iPad rumors are. I was about to think that it was all a hoax.

Not confirmed though, but I think there's an opportunity

PJMAN2952
Jul 3, 2012, 12:29 PM
Here's one. It's called the Nexus 7. :rolleyes:

http://www4.pcmag.com/media/images/293570-google-nexus-7.jpg

Getting the Nexus 7 :D

GekkePrutser
Jul 3, 2012, 12:30 PM
Good, this will be the perfect answer to the Nexus 7 (which was actually featured in an ad right under the news article, funny :) )

Smaller, more portable, lower price.. Of course not as low as $200, but $299 would be nice. Sounds like a winner! I wouldn't get rid of my iPad 3 but still it would be a good seller.

abhishake
Jul 3, 2012, 12:31 PM
No they're not...

doobybiggs
Jul 3, 2012, 12:31 PM
price will be key here ... hopefully apple doesnt pull the 'we are apple' pricing with it.

ChazUK
Jul 3, 2012, 12:32 PM
Could be fantastic for the education sector.

Nice to see there may be more variety in the tablet arena.

Getting the Nexus 7 :D

At £199 it's hard for me to pass the 16GB one up too. :o

zemsantos
Jul 3, 2012, 12:32 PM
And it's gonna cost $399!

Oh, wait... :D

edit: With apple selling the ipad 2, it's like the iphone mini rumor.

HarryKeogh
Jul 3, 2012, 12:33 PM
I can do a mockup like that in photoshop too. But I would like to see one.

Put your iPhone next to your iPad so they're both directly in front of your face.

Now move your iPad back about ten inches.

Voila! iPad Mini Mockup!

Moonjumper
Jul 3, 2012, 12:35 PM
Just days ago, Chinese site Apple Daily reported (via DigiTimes (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120629PB202.html)) that Apple will be refreshing the current iPad this summer with new IGZO displays. But with even DigiTimes calling the claim "highly doubtful", those waiting for such an update are likely to be disappointed.

That makes it sound as if the writer believes DigiTimes is the most reliable source around. A lot of people would disagree with that.

olowott
Jul 3, 2012, 12:37 PM
Pricing is gonna be a major factor, iPad 2 (still the best tablet ever)
sells for £299.99

its welcome 7" thought but we have to be reasonable here but then again it Apple we gossiping about

bb426
Jul 3, 2012, 12:38 PM
Why not put two rumors together... "iPad mini" is actually the AppleTV controller...

Just a thought.

Look at the time it's being released, close to the time a supposed AppleTV comes around.

adildacoolset
Jul 3, 2012, 12:38 PM
Getting the Nexus 7 :D

Umm, good for you?

emulator
Jul 3, 2012, 12:38 PM
And it's gonna cost $399!

But it will be magical. And dual core.

dynamojoe
Jul 3, 2012, 12:40 PM
I hope it happens. I want a second iPad (my daughter has taken over the first) and a smaller one would fit me a little better. If they keep it to $250 or so then I'm in for one.

Maybe Apple is going to aim for the Nook/Kindle buyer?

Dun Properly
Jul 3, 2012, 12:41 PM
My wife thinks 7" is perfect.

furi0usbee
Jul 3, 2012, 12:41 PM
Pricing is gonna be a major factor, iPad 2 (still the best tablet ever)
sells for £299.99t

You must not have an iPad 3.... the iPad 3 screen alone is better than the 2. I'd take the retina display... all by itself over the 2. So no, 2 isn't the best tablet ever I'm afraid to say.

I just used my new retina MBP side by side my year-old 15" MBP. No contest. The old 15" screen looks like the worst in the world compared to the retina screen.

Embrace innovation.

Caliber26
Jul 3, 2012, 12:42 PM
I can't see myself wanting a smaller iPad. The current size is perfect (IMO). It's not too small, where things feel cramped, but it's definitely smaller and WAY more portable than a laptop. For those times I'm on the go, and it's not convenient to bring my iPad along, I feel the iPhone is more than capable to handle all of my iOS needs.

But I guess this is good news for those who long for a smaller iPad. I certainly don't oppose it as long as it has no impact on me.

Edit: I'm wondering how this would affect the iPod Touch. Assuming they keep previous-generation iPads at the $399 price point, I'm guessing the smaller iPads would be priced somewhere in the $250-$300 range. I think most people would go for the bigger, newer, cooler iPad for just a few dollars more. Maybe they'll phase out the iPod Touch?

NTurner42
Jul 3, 2012, 12:43 PM
My wife thinks 7" is perfect.

ba dum chhh

shady825
Jul 3, 2012, 12:44 PM
I know I'm probably in the minority but I would actually really like a smaller iPad. 7.85-8 inch would be perfect in my opinion.

boomboom2
Jul 3, 2012, 12:45 PM
I don't see why people are against it. Just because you don't want one doesn't mean other people don't want it either. It's not like Apple is forcing you to give up your 9.7" iPad.

Dwalls90
Jul 3, 2012, 12:46 PM
Pass ... My iPad 3 is perfect IMO. I don't even need the portability of my laptop anymore.

In fact, next Mac I get, if I buy one ... would be a desktop as having a Macbook Pro and iPad provides too much cross over.

But I don't think this will come to fruition, it's a lot of fragmentation. Plus, with the iPhone and likely iPod growing in size this year and probably into the next few years, I don't think they need a tablet of this size.

shady825
Jul 3, 2012, 12:46 PM
I just used my new retina MBP side by side my year-old 15" MBP. No contest. The old 15" screen looks like the worst in the world compared to the retina screen.

The new iPad has destroyed my eyes. Every screen I look at now looks terrible. ;)

miniroll32
Jul 3, 2012, 12:47 PM
An iPad Mini? So at what point does an iPod Touch morph into a mini iPad?

Oh god this is like the "Half full/Half empty" argument... :(

Sensation
Jul 3, 2012, 12:48 PM
Dear Apple
Please stop stealing our ideas.
Love Google.

Poisednoise
Jul 3, 2012, 12:49 PM
That makes it sound as if the writer believes DigiTimes is the most reliable source around. A lot of people would disagree with that.

Actually I assumed the implication was that normally DigiTimes jump straight onto any rumour like this, therefore if even they think it unlikely, it's VERY unlikely...

rendevouspoo
Jul 3, 2012, 12:50 PM
With others coming out with a 7", why not? Why not take over that market as well? I know plenty of people that would buy due to the weight and size of it alone for things such as reading. Lying in bed, would you rather read from a Fire or iPad? In my opinion, just for that scenario, the Fire wins everytime. It would be smart of Apple to put this out, IMHO.

Xtremehkr
Jul 3, 2012, 12:51 PM
Jobs thought 7-inch tablets were too small. Apple’s user testing had revealed that “there are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touchscreen before users cannot reliably tap, flick, or pinch them,” Jobs said. As a result, these tiny tablets would need to be sold with sandpaper, he predicted, “so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one-quarter of their present size.” He wasn’t finished: Because most tablet owners also have a smartphone, people would find that these tiny tablets didn’t offer anything they couldn’t do on their phones. “The 7-inch tablets are tweeners: too big to compete with a smartphone, and too small to compete with an iPad,” Jobs said. As a result, they “are going to be DOA.”

This rumor is persistent but I think SJ said it best.

In his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxoAF0Jvhqc

Stetrain
Jul 3, 2012, 12:52 PM
I think that this is really probable.

A year or two ago not so much, but the Kindle Fire (and to a lesser extent the Nook tablet) have proven that there is a real market for a small, relatively cheap tablet. More an e-reader on steroids than the current iPad and other 10" tablets.

This year the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire 2 will define that market even more. If Apple can deliver a similar product with the advantages of their hardware and software design at a competing price it could sell very well.

Other companies seem to be struggling to hit that $199 price point, often making very little money on the hardware itself. I think that Apple could leverage their scale of purchase and production to make it profitable for them. They build large numbers of high quality metal casings for other products, they buy flash memory in huge quantities, and they already have a new, low cost, low power processor with the die shrunk A5 that's now shipping in the reduced price iPad 2.

hexx
Jul 3, 2012, 12:52 PM
With others coming out with a 7", why not? Why not take over that market as well? I know plenty of people that would buy due to the weight and size of it alone for things such...

for a while, it just didn't sound right :D

WeegieMac
Jul 3, 2012, 12:53 PM
Here's one. It's called the Nexus 7. :rolleyes:

http://www4.pcmag.com/media/images/293570-google-nexus-7.jpg

Yup, the device Google ARE selling at a huge loss per unit by selling it at $200, essentially having to pay people to buy one as opposed to the tens of millions willingly dropping up to £649 on an iPad. :cool:

kiljoy616
Jul 3, 2012, 12:55 PM
So any stats how many people would actually buy a large iPod Touch vs a normal iPad? :rolleyes:

jamesnajera
Jul 3, 2012, 12:55 PM
Yippie... even more work for developers.

IF it does happen, we do not even know the resolution that will be used on the smaller tablet. It could be 1024x768, which is the same resolution of the iPad 2.

polaris20
Jul 3, 2012, 12:56 PM
And it's gonna cost $399!

Oh, wait... :D

edit: With apple selling the ipad 2, it's like the iphone mini rumor.

I think that if this were to happen, it would replace the iPad 2 in the line-up. I think the continuation of the 2 was just a stop-gap measure until the Mini was ready, for that price point.

jjofc11
Jul 3, 2012, 12:58 PM
Come on guys don't insist, this rumor has been out for years and nothing, i dont see a reason to make a 2" smaller iPad

thejd
Jul 3, 2012, 12:59 PM
IGZO display? Yes. 7.85" form factor? No. After using a Galaxy Note in South Korea as a phone/tablet combo I can definitely say that size is not all it's cracked up to be. iPad for truly tablet stuff, iPhone for pure mobile. I don't see anything I between as viable.

ThomasJL
Jul 3, 2012, 12:59 PM
I wonder if the iPad Mini is the new PowerBook G5...

kiljoy616
Jul 3, 2012, 01:00 PM
I think that this is really probable.

A year or two ago not so much, but the Kindle Fire (and to a lesser extent the Nook tablet) have proven that there is a real market for a small, relatively cheap tablet. More an e-reader on steroids than the current iPad and other 10" tablets.

This year the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire 2 will define that market even more. If Apple can deliver a similar product with the advantages of their hardware and software design at a competing price it could sell very well.

Other companies seem to be struggling to hit that $199 price point, often making very little money on the hardware itself. I think that Apple could leverage their scale of purchase and production to make it profitable for them. They build large numbers of high quality metal casings for other products, they buy flash memory in huge quantities, and they already have a new, low cost, low power processor with the die shrunk A5 that's now shipping in the reduced price iPad 2.

ROFLMAO oh thanks for that funniest of jokes.

You forget the most important thing, they don't need to. Just like the TV they just don't need to at this time. When Google or anyone else finally comes out with a real alternative that is REALLY eating into Apple's profit margins then maybe I can see them looking at doing something out of character.

If they start making garbage then like 15 years ago it will be a company in decline. I like to think they learned from history. :)

barkomatic
Jul 3, 2012, 01:01 PM
If Apple just increases the iPhone screen size to at least 4 inches -- that will be my iPad mini.

Sirhcnailuj
Jul 3, 2012, 01:02 PM
this isn't apple...

MacAgnostic
Jul 3, 2012, 01:04 PM
Mockup (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/23/this-is-what-a-7-85-inch-ipad-looks-and-feels-like/) of 7.85-inch iPad next to an iPhone (courtesy of CiccareseDesign (http://www.ciccaresedesign.com/))[/center] Funny how the bezel, home button and camera are "mini" also.:rolleyes:

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 01:05 PM
I'm happy with my 9.7" iPad. Can't see myself purchasing a smaller model.

I personally would want the smaller one for more portability.

I think the 9.7" is great for home and on vacation.

Everyday use back and forth say on metro, bike, bus, etc I'd rather have a 7".

A 7" is also perfect for many industries (restaurant, retail, etc).

They can exist side by side. And I think for sure it's coming.

TMay
Jul 3, 2012, 01:06 PM
Yup, the device Google ARE selling at a huge loss per unit by selling it at $200, essentially having to pay people to buy one as opposed to the tens of millions willingly dropping up to £649 on an iPad. :cool:



Dear Android OEM's:

We are throwing you under the bus.

Google

xTRIGGER092x
Jul 3, 2012, 01:06 PM
How many times are we going to hear this rumor?

Radio
Jul 3, 2012, 01:07 PM
Steve would never allow this

rei101
Jul 3, 2012, 01:08 PM
No need for it. iPhone for on the go. iPad for when im home/in the hotel.

...iPad mini while you make your mind.

cRuNcHiE
Jul 3, 2012, 01:08 PM
My wife thinks 7" is perfect.

She said the same about my black 9.7"

CausticPuppy
Jul 3, 2012, 01:08 PM
It'll probably be branded as an iPod rather than an iPad. Yeah it doesn't make sense, but neither does a 7.85-inch iPad.

Maybe they'll kill the iPod Touch and replace it with this?

Corrode
Jul 3, 2012, 01:08 PM
I think I'd actually be up for buying this. More because of the price point (whatever that ends up being). Coming from a tighter financial situation and not being able to justify the $500+ for an iPad, this might fit in line for people on a budget.

CausticPuppy
Jul 3, 2012, 01:09 PM
Steve would never allow this

If Steve always got his way, the iMac would have been called "MacMan."

Radio
Jul 3, 2012, 01:10 PM
So is this the new new iPad ?

batmccoy
Jul 3, 2012, 01:10 PM
If Apple is building a touch-pad with a 7-inch screen, it will be a remote for the "Apple TV". That doesn't mean it won't be able run all the existing apps, only that the package would be a flat screen TV and this new remote.

Radio
Jul 3, 2012, 01:11 PM
If Steve always got his way, the iMac would have been called "MacMan."

And he'd cry. He's such a cry baby.

Fun book

uknowimright
Jul 3, 2012, 01:11 PM
This rumor is persistent but I think SJ said it best.

In his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxoAF0Jvhqc

Jobs said a bunch of BS

yesnek
Jul 3, 2012, 01:11 PM
being an analyst rocks. every once in a while i would talk about an ipad mini or the infamous iphone nano and my name is written all over the media. awesome.

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 01:11 PM
It'll probably be branded as an iPod rather than an iPad. Yeah it doesn't make sense, but neither does a 7.85-inch iPad.

Maybe they'll kill the iPod Touch and replace it with this?

Been saying that for a year...the current iPod Touch is most likely dead and replaced with the new iPod Touch or iTouch.

iPhone
iTouch (new 7"0)
iPad

Steve would never allow this

Steve also knew when he was wrong. Back then a 7" didn't make sense but now it does. Even Steve made mistakes and admitted as much and even admitted he was wrong on things.

being an analyst rocks. every once in a while i would talk about an ipad mini or the infamous iphone nano and my name is written all over the media. awesome.

Agreed. We can say "Apple is working on a new innovative product that will change the industry" and you are now an analyst...be vague as possible.

Peace
Jul 3, 2012, 01:13 PM
Been saying that for a year...the current iPod Touch is most likely dead and replaced with the new iPod Touch or iTouch.

iPhone
iTouch (new 7"0)
iPad



Steve also knew when he was wrong. Back then a 7" didn't make sense but now it does. Even Steve made mistakes and admitted as much and even admitted he was wrong on things.


I tend to agree with the iTouch concept but don't think it will come out until just before the fabled Apple Television.

Piggie
Jul 3, 2012, 01:14 PM
I don't see why people are against it. Just because you don't want one doesn't mean other people don't want it either. It's not like Apple is forcing you to give up your 9.7" iPad.

Exactly and well said :)

This is the problem we have. Apple make the 9.7" model so by definition it HAS to be the right size as Steve Jobs said it is.

Smaller would be wrong, Bigger would be wrong as Apple don't make it.

Myself, I think humans are all different, have different preferences and like different things. That's why some want a sports car, a pick up or a micro car, and not just all buy the exact same model.

I don't see why the same should not be true in tablet, and we have far too many people in these forums trying to tell others what they should and should not like.

Hey, if Apple made a 7" a 10" and a 14" iPad, then I and many others, I can guarantee you, would buy the 14" model.

Some may prefer the 7" model to slip into a jacket pocket and some may prefer the middle 10" size.

But I'm not going to say everyone should have to pick just the one size as that would be stupid and arrogant of me.

Apple will, there is no doubt, in time, be that 1, 3, 5, 10 or 20 years offer more than just 1 tablet size/style to pick from. It's just a question of when.

hexx
Jul 3, 2012, 01:15 PM
ROFLMAO oh thanks for that funniest of jokes.

You forget the most important thing, they don't need to. Just like the TV they just don't need to at this time. When Google or anyone else finally comes out with a real alternative that is REALLY eating into Apple's profit margins then maybe I can see them looking at doing something out of character.

If they start making garbage then like 15 years ago it will be a company in decline. I like to think they learned from history. :)

it's not even that - google is and will be fighting amazon, not apple. amazon has it's own fork of android, own app store, own music store, book store and so on - that's what google is fighting

jbimler
Jul 3, 2012, 01:17 PM
Been saying that for a year...the current iPod Touch is most likely dead and replaced with the new iPod Touch or iTouch.

iPhone
iTouch (new 7"0)
iPad



Steve also knew when he was wrong. Back then a 7" didn't make sense but now it does. Even Steve made mistakes and admitted as much and even admitted he was wrong on things.



Agreed. We can say "Apple is working on a new innovative product that will change the industry" and you are now an analyst...be vague as possible.Aren't the Touchs still a top selling mp3 player? Most people aren't going to use a tablet for an on the go mp3 player.

applecomputer76
Jul 3, 2012, 01:18 PM
Makes sense. My first thought with naming the "new iPad" was that is signals an expansion of the product line. Too confusing to have iPad 3 and iPad mini 1 at the same time. That's how the Mac line works. When the mini is introduced, the iPad 2 will be discontinued or reserved for education pricing. I see lots of use with an even portable device. 9.7" doesn't really fit inside a purse, but 7.85" would be small enough. I do believe in a touch control for the TV, but I think even 7.85" is too large to always have lying on your tabletop.

notabadname
Jul 3, 2012, 01:19 PM
Would've been better to include image of the current iPad to the left so you could compare the sizes of all 3.

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 01:20 PM
Aren't the Touchs still a top selling mp3 player? Most people aren't going to use a tablet for an on the go mp3 player.

I think it's a good seller (sales are down though), but many just use their iPhone as the same thing.

I know a lot of friends 'kids' that have them but they prefer the iPad over them if they are in the same room...so I can see a 7" definitely being a hit with kids.

Stetrain
Jul 3, 2012, 01:20 PM
ROFLMAO oh thanks for that funniest of jokes.

You forget the most important thing, they don't need to. Just like the TV they just don't need to at this time. When Google or anyone else finally comes out with a real alternative that is REALLY eating into Apple's profit margins then maybe I can see them looking at doing something out of character.

If they start making garbage then like 15 years ago it will be a company in decline. I like to think they learned from history. :)

The thing is that I think that the Kindle Fire is eating into Apple's market a bit. And to be honest it's a junky device. I see lots of people who have bought them for themselves or their kids, not because it's a great device, but because it's half the price of even an iPad 2. It's also a bit more kid friendly in form factor. Closer to an e-reader in portability than a laptop.

I don't think that they will make one if it will be 'garbage'. I specifically think that what will make it a success is if they can make it a high quality product, like the rest of the iPad line, while hitting a lower price point.

If everyone else keeps making plastic junk in the $199 range, and Apple comes it at $249 or $299 with a high quality tablet in that form factor they could eat everyone's lunch.

These $200 e-reader / tablet devices are basically the only Android tablets to have any success at all. Wouldn't Apple love to squash that with a high quality product?

Apple didn't *need* to come out with the iPod in 2001, but they did. They saw an existing market (MP3 players) that was full of junk, and knew that they could do better.

Apple didn't *need* to come out with the iPhone in 2007, but they did. They saw an existing market (smartphones) that was full of junk, and knew that they could do it better.

AppleScruff1
Jul 3, 2012, 01:21 PM
I know, now it's a brilliant idea. When other companies did it it, it was stupid.

rendevouspoo
Jul 3, 2012, 01:24 PM
If everyone else keeps making plastic junk in the $199 range, and Apple comes it at $249 or $299 with a high quality tablet in that form factor they could eat everyone's lunch.



I highly, highly doubt that the Nexus 7 will be "plastic junk." Kindle Fire is, first and foremost, an e-reader. It does a fine damn job at it too.

redmac
Jul 3, 2012, 01:25 PM
Those who are already in the Apple ecosystem will be sorry if they buy a Nexus 7. I believe an iPad Mini that offers %41 more screen area for only $50-$100 more will be the right choice between the two devices.

PeterQVenkman
Jul 3, 2012, 01:26 PM
I'd get one in a heart beat.

jaison13
Jul 3, 2012, 01:26 PM
can the PLEASE give this model phone service like the note!!!

Dgail
Jul 3, 2012, 01:27 PM
I work in health care and while I do have an iPad 2, it is too large to carry in my pocket or around seeing patients. I do carry my iPhone, have medical reference apps on it, but always have to expand it for my Boomer aged eyes.

So I would welcome and pay the Apple premium for a 7 inchish tablet. I am not too afraid of fragmentation since the OS systems always seem to work seamlessly.

:apple:

Stetrain
Jul 3, 2012, 01:27 PM
I highly, highly doubt that the Nexus 7 will be "plastic junk." Kindle Fire is, first and foremost, an e-reader. It does a fine damn job at it too.

I agree that the Nexus 7 looks like a high quality device, especially compared to the Kindle Fire. There will also probably be a Kindle Fire 2 in the near future with similar polish. I think that an iPad in that product category could still beat both of them in hardware and software quality.

The original Kindle Fire is a BB Playbook stripped down to meet a price target. The Nexus 7 seems much better designed for its price point.

I think that Apple has been considering a 7-8" iPad for a long time, they've just been waiting for the evidence that there is a real market for it. Steve Jobs criticizing the idea doesn't really mean much. He also said that video on an iPod was a stupid idea, and that they weren't working on their own phone.

shanmugam
Jul 3, 2012, 01:28 PM
I am replacing my Kindle Fire with Nexus 7.

Would not mind iPad mini despite people keep saying there is no market for it.

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 01:29 PM
I work in health care and while I do have an iPad 2, it is too large to carry in my pocket or around seeing patients. I do carry my iPhone, have medical reference apps on it, but always have to expand it for my Boomer aged eyes.

So I would welcome and pay the Apple premium for a 7 inchish tablet. I am not too afraid of fragmentation since the OS systems always seem to work seamlessly.

:apple:

Yep...agreed. The 7" is much more mobile for someone like you, in the restaurant business (waiter/waitress), retail, trade shows, on video shoots, etc.

There wouldn't be any fragmentation.

hexx
Jul 3, 2012, 01:31 PM
Yep...agreed. The 7" is much more mobile for someone like you, in the restaurant business (waiter/waitress), retail, trade shows, on video shoots, etc.

There wouldn't be any fragmentation.

if they could make it to look as iPod Touch - that would be cool

Piggie
Jul 3, 2012, 01:32 PM
If everyone else keeps making plastic junk in the $199 range,

So if it's Plastic it's junk? Is that what you are saying?

Or do you feel good quality and well designed plastic can be a superb material for constructing things with. Far stronger, less damage resistant and lighter than say Aluminium?

Spectrum Abuser
Jul 3, 2012, 01:32 PM
How many times are they going to bring back this rumor? It's been going around since this time last year.

Xtremehkr
Jul 3, 2012, 01:33 PM
Jobs said a bunch of BS

I think in the time since he made those statements we've come to see that he was exactly right about the fragmentation in the Android market. As he was about all of the observations he made about open as opposed to integrated.

iPhone users enjoy regular upgrades to iOS while a lot of Android users are simply left out of updates unless they purchase a new phone.

Google has purchased Motorola Mobility, a company that makes phones, in a move that would bring Android closer to an integrated model. Microsoft is doing the same thing, even with the Surface, they are tightening control of software and hardware integration.

I fail to see where the BS is, other than people who have not yet realized that Android's days as an unintegrated platform are probably numbered.

Piggie
Jul 3, 2012, 01:34 PM
Yep...agreed. The 7" is much more mobile for someone like you, in the restaurant business (waiter/waitress), retail, trade shows, on video shoots, etc.

There wouldn't be any fragmentation.

This is what I was saying in a different thread yesterday.

There are many times, esp in business where being able to easily hold a tablet device with one hand, and have the other free to do things would be ideal and what's needed.

The typical response I got was along the lines of, no it's not, the current size is perfect, and you need to man up if you can't hold the current model in one hand for any length of time.

You know, the typical intelligent reply we get here from some people. :(

WLS
Jul 3, 2012, 01:35 PM
I''m thinking of getting a Nexus. I have an iPod Touch 3rd Gen and an iPad 3(rd Gen)
A larger iPod touch is still not going to be as large as this, I'd say 5 inches max so its pocketable.
An Ipad mini at this size would have to use the A5 chip - low power new version as would the Touch while the Nexus has the Tegra and GPS so that's pretty sweet. If Google sells the Nexus at cost or even at a loss like Amazon it would gain serious traction early on and Apple might decide not to enter that niche.

shanmugam
Jul 3, 2012, 01:38 PM
I''m thinking of getting a Nexus. I have an iPod Touch 3rd Gen and an iPad 3(rd Gen)
A larger iPod touch is still not going to be as large as this, I'd say 5 inches max so its pocketable.
An Ipad mini at this size would have to use the A5 chip - low power new version as would the Touch while the Nexus has the Tegra and GPS so that's pretty sweet. If Google sells the Nexus at cost or even at a loss like Amazon it would gain serious traction early on and Apple might decide not to enter that niche.
the difference is Apple buys components in Bulk, they can find ways to lower the cost and make profit out of $249/$299

NAND
A5
LCDs
Battery
and so on

iPod touch at $199 has same or similar component except the 7" display.

It is doable, when is the question?

Eriamjh1138@DAN
Jul 3, 2012, 01:39 PM
Steve would never allow this

Ah, but in true Steve-style, he would bash something as "stupid, bad idea", etc. and then turn around and release his own version.

Example? Steve said that he didn't think video was important on the iPod. At the time, it did color pictures on a tiny 2.5" screen (iPod 5th gen, I think). The next version did.

Steve never gives away his future plans. If he bashes it, it could be because he is going to do it himself. Or it's a bad idea. We don't find out until Steve does it.

Remember, four years of products in the works before he died.

WestonHarvey1
Jul 3, 2012, 01:40 PM
They're just mixing and matching bits from different rumors now. Frankenrumors.

MacAgnostic
Jul 3, 2012, 01:40 PM
Jobs said a bunch of BSAgreed, he used a lot of deceptive wording and exaggerations to make his points (read RDF):
A 7.85" screen is dimensionally 81% that of a 9.7" screen, this is what really matters; also, the pixel density would be the same as the iPhone.
If there was truth in what he said, you couldn't use an iPhone.

shanmugam
Jul 3, 2012, 01:40 PM
Steve never gives away his future plans. If he bashes it, it could be because he is going to do it himself. Or it's a bad idea. We don't find out until Steve does it.



Also people do not realize, he make them better (the same product he bashes)

F4C4
Jul 3, 2012, 01:40 PM
Why are people asking for smaller iPads and bigger iPhones?

I like a small phone, and a good size tablet...

Do you want to carry your iPad on your front pocket and your iPhone on your backpack??

Sodner
Jul 3, 2012, 01:41 PM
I say not going to happen.

MacAgnostic
Jul 3, 2012, 01:42 PM
if they could make it to look as iPod Touch - that would be coolHeh...

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 01:42 PM
This is what I was saying in a different thread yesterday.

There are many times, esp in business where being able to easily hold a tablet device with one hand, and have the other free to do things would be ideal and what's needed.

The typical response I got was along the lines of, no it's not, the current size is perfect, and you need to man up if you can't hold the current model in one hand for any length of time.

You know, the typical intelligent reply we get here from some people. :(

Ignore them.

The current iPad is great for on the couch, content consumption, vacations and even business.

But for on the go everyday or long term use during the day where you are not at a desk or counter, then a 7" is much more applicable and comfortable to use. Healthcare/hospitals, retail, restaurants, etc would all benefit from a 7" iPad/iTouch. On top of that many consumers going back and forth to work wouldn't need to carry around a bigger iPad and could slip this into a purse or pant/jacket pocket.

On top of that, don't forget that the clothing industry 'designs' around these devices. You'll see everyday jackets, pants, etc with 7" sleeves/pockets for these things.

If the 7" had a great camera/flash/recording on it, even better.

shanmugam
Jul 3, 2012, 01:43 PM
Why are people asking for smaller iPads and bigger iPhones?

I like a small phone, and a good size tablet...

Do you want to carry your iPad on your front pocket and your iPhone on your backpack??

you do not need it, then do not buy it...

there are economies paying a $499 for laptop is expensive, definitely there is a market for $249 to $299 7" Tablet device ...

hexx
Jul 3, 2012, 01:44 PM
Heh...

good one :D what I meant is the thinness of iPod, I simply like how sleek it is

apolloa
Jul 3, 2012, 01:45 PM
Too little too late and I call BS anyway.

For instance in the UK.

Ipad 2 starts from £329:
http://store.apple.com/uk/buy/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad/ipad2

iPod Touch from £169:
http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_touch/select

So JUST HOW is Apple going to price a 7" iPad when it's bottom range iPod Touch costs £10 MORE then the 8GB Nexus 7 tablet:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_8gb

If Apple did launch one, then I can only see it costing around £290 in the UK at least, in fact I think it will match the iPad 2's £329 mark.
This IS Apple, Apple do NOT do cheap. So why would anyone get one over the Nexus 7 or the impending Kindle Fire 2?

Personally I am waiting to see what Amazon launch at the end of the end of the month, if the rumours are true, because I'll be getting a kindle Fire 2 7" hopefully, if not then a Nexus 7.
In fact in the UK when Amazon launch the Fire, then Apple IS going to loose sales, especially sales of a 7" iPad. Amazons marketing strength is more then a match, plus it's Kindle range is already VERY well known.

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 01:46 PM
Why are people asking for smaller iPads and bigger iPhones?

I like a small phone, and a good size tablet...

Do you want to carry your iPad on your front pocket and your iPhone on your backpack??

The Samsung Galaxy is way too big for a phone...my friend has one and had it last night..looks ridiculous holding it up to his ear to talk.

A iPad is too big for many on the go, especially going back and forth daily to work and who don't want to carry a lot. With an iPad you need either a bigger purse or a backpack or travel case and that means holding it.

A 7" tablet is a good size for just on the go. Put it in your jacket pocket, purse, cargo pants pocket, etc. It's not too big to pull out while sitting down and it's easy to carry around and use with 1 hand.

Why are people asking for smaller iPads and bigger iPhones?

Also wanted to point out again with this...you could apply that question to anything..especially cars.

Certain sizes work for certain people and their needs.

KdParker
Jul 3, 2012, 01:46 PM
I really hope this happens. I really want a mid range tablet, but not so much that I am willing to go down the Android route.

Just curious, why do you want a smaller tablet? I thought the iPad is relatively small/light and a good replacement if you don't want all the stuff that goes with a laptop.

rowspaxe
Jul 3, 2012, 01:47 PM
i guess my question is--how is different from a phone? yes, you can hold in one hand...and do what? can we rule out content creation? even of the rudimentary ipad variety. it may be generational--i think in terms of pages--book pages, web pages, ect., but other users may embrace partial page veiws and lots of scrolling. I think the ipad is bit heavy for a lot of users--at one half its current weight it would seem "more magical".

TennisandMusic
Jul 3, 2012, 01:48 PM
Will it include a file for your fingers?

Moonjumper
Jul 3, 2012, 01:48 PM
Steve would never allow this

The Mac equivalent of Godwin's Law.

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 01:50 PM
Just curious, why do you want a smaller tablet? I thought the iPad is relatively small/light and a good replacement if you don't want all the stuff that goes with a laptop.

An iPad is 'light.'

It is not though 'small'...it is a medium sized device that usually requires a case, carrying case or backpack. It is not easily slipped into a coat or pants pocket.

Many people want something that is bigger then an iPhone and smaller then an iPad and that would be the 7" iPad/iTouch.

iPhone 4"
iTouch 7"
iPad 10"

It's the best of both worlds. If you don't need it, then you don't have to buy it. But there IS a market for it.

DoctorClaw
Jul 3, 2012, 01:50 PM
I prefer to think of it not as an 8" iPad, but rather, Apple beating Google to the punch with an 8" iPhone.

blackcrayon
Jul 3, 2012, 01:52 PM
Too little too late and I call BS anyway.
.

It may very well be BS, but if not, why would it be too little too late? It's not like the market for good general purpose 7" tablets is saturated.

kevinws
Jul 3, 2012, 01:53 PM
I really hope this happens. I know the aspect ratio will be differnet I just love the feel of the Kindle Fire in my hands. I have put a Fire and an iPad side by side and prefer the smaller size. A smaller iPad would be perfect for what I want. A full color e-reader first and a iDevice second.

If it does not happen soon Amazon or Google has a good chance of getting my cash. Most of the additional apps I use on a daily basis (evernote, dropbox, you version, and wunderlist) have versions available on the Android platform so that is not a deal breaker for me. Anything else I can access my on my iPhone.

shanmugam
Jul 3, 2012, 01:53 PM
Will it include a file for your fingers?

do they include that with your iPhone 4S purchase? :rolleyes:

deconstruct60
Jul 3, 2012, 01:55 PM
Edit: I'm wondering how this would affect the iPod Touch. Assuming they keep previous-generation iPads at the $399 price point, .... Maybe they'll phase out the iPod Touch?

This would likely be the new iPod Touch. Instead of thinking of it as a shrunken iPad picture a large iPod Touch. Only it drops the pretense of being primary a "iPod". As a handheld gaming and media browsing machine it is a big improvement over the limitations of the iPods smaller screen.

The Kindle Fire , Nook Tablet, and new Nexus 7" (and about 5-10 other tablets ) are all priced on top of the iPod Touch price zone: $199-399. That will have negative impact on Touch if it just stays as same price points and same substantially smaller screen.

The problem is those are all almost sold "at cost". The other move Apple can make it so retire the "last year's" iPad as an option and put the 7" in the upper half of the Touch's zone.

Apple doesn't need a "I can't afford an iPhone" device since the 3GS is "free" (with contract... still costs more ). The iPod Touch got almost "nothing" for an upgrade last year ( a difference case color). It wouldn't be surprising if Apple did something more than just bump the CPU/GPU core to an A5.


The bigger issue perhaps is what happens to iPod nano. If Apple used a price reduction on the Touch to "retire" that product then they could have a straightforward 4" , 7" , 10" line up similar to how the laptops go 11" , 13" , 15" .

The Touch priced below the 7" Android tablets would probably do substantially better. A 7" Apple tablet priced above the Android 7" offerings would make Apple happier ( they can probably get away with it. Just sprinkle retina and millions of apps in the hype ). Folks looking for lower cost book readers will likely be happier. ( Apple could more easily do a price point better than "last year's" iPad if the screen is smaller. ). There are full sized and paperback books in the printed book world. "one size fits all" probably isn't going to work in the eBook world.


It would be surprising for Apple to shrink the iPod nano done to $99-129 , move the Touch 'down' range in price (keeping the specs relatively constant), and slid in a new 7" screen.

The relatively weak move for the Touch would be to just simply track the "taller" iPhone screen that is predicted and some minor updates on CPU/GPU specs while sticking to the same price point. Eventually, some vendor will catch up on software/media store and wipe them out on price though if it stays stagnant on price and size. Most vendors are distracted with beating Apple on phone or large tablet. At some point someone with talent is going to recognize that the Touch is a weak point.

Navdakilla
Jul 3, 2012, 01:57 PM
I can definitely see this iPad selling like crazy. Possibly taking over the ipod touch sales, and taking over all the other tablets (Fire, Nexus etc)

I have alot of little cousins that love their ipod touch (while having a random flip phone as their phone). This would target them perfectly.

Rocketman
Jul 3, 2012, 01:57 PM
I think the IGZO thing is going to be like the MacBook Pro. The high res display was first released on the iPhone (analagous to the iPad7) then was released on the MacBook Pro (analagous to iMac). That would be my guess. I simply wonder how they are going to install good enough graphics in an iMac Pro (Next Generation) to support all the capabilities it will have with internal and external displays. it may be they simply minimize cost by only fully making the internal display awesome and if you add external displays it cripples the performance.

My other guess is the Best Buy rumor of a $1600 Apple TV is actually a variant of iMac, Steve's favorite Mac. His favorite device was the iPhone.

Rocketman

TennisandMusic
Jul 3, 2012, 01:58 PM
do they include that with your iPhone 4S purchase? :rolleyes:

Hey I ain't the one who said it, I agree with you.

wrkactjob
Jul 3, 2012, 01:59 PM
Not going to happen.


Even when it's in the shops and I've bought one because my ipad is great for the hotel room while on hols but a tad too big for the train, I'm still going to post:


"Not going to happen".

Stetrain
Jul 3, 2012, 01:59 PM
So if it's Plastic it's junk? Is that what you are saying?

Or do you feel good quality and well designed plastic can be a superb material for constructing things with. Far stronger, less damage resistant and lighter than say Aluminium?

No, I didn't say that. I think that the Nexus 7 looks great, and from the reviews it feels great, especially for being a plastic body.

I think it's possible to make something that is plastic that isn't junk. Personally I find the Kindle Fire to be really poor hardware, both in design and build quality. They definitely hit the right price point though.

I don't really see how you can say though that's it's 'stronger, less damage resistant, and lighter' than aluminum. Plastics tend to crack (see iPhone 3G and 3GS). You can definitely design something high quality with plastic, especially if you use other coatings for the final finish (see Nexus 7 rubberized back), but I wouldn't say that it's superior to aluminum in all cases.

blackcrayon
Jul 3, 2012, 02:00 PM
I really hope this happens. I know the aspect ratio will be differnet I just love the feel of the Kindle Fire in my hands. I have put a Fire and an iPad side by side and prefer the smaller size. A smaller iPad would be perfect for what I want. A full color e-reader first and a iDevice second.



The aspect ratio would likely not be different though. They'd use a 4:3 aspect ratio so existing iPad apps would look fine without relaying out (just somewhat smaller elements on screen).

BigMcGuire
Jul 3, 2012, 02:02 PM
Getting the Nexus 7 :D

Same. Already pre-ordered. I had the iPad 3, loved the resolution but the thing is just too big to hold for long periods of time (avid Instapaper reader and kindle reader). I kept going back to my Kindle because it's just easier to read and hold. I'm hoping the Nexus 7 will be what I've been looking for. Too bad for iPad Mini. A little late to the game. The Nexus 7's PPI is pretty good too. Since I had Android for 3 years before going with iPhone 4s last year, I'm looking to join it again without a 2 year contract at $100+/mo.

I think there's a huge market for 7 inch tablets. I know several people who almost went for the iPad 3 but wanted something smaller - they all got Galaxy Tab 2s. I know more that will join me in getting the Nexus 7. The iPad 3 is pretty big and heavy imo. Great device, but big.

shanmugam
Jul 3, 2012, 02:02 PM
Hey I ain't the one who said it, I agree with you.

okay, we are cool :cool:

frabber
Jul 3, 2012, 02:02 PM
Please make one lightweight pad, after logging some hours with my son's ipod I cannot go back to the heavy ipad 3.

A pad or pod needs to be lightweight. Everything else is secondary..

apolloa
Jul 3, 2012, 02:02 PM
It may very well be BS, but if not, why would it be too little too late? It's not like the market for good general purpose 7" tablets is saturated.

Because Apple have nothing to offer over the Nexus 7 or the Kindle Fire 2, retina screen and apps won't make people spend double just for the Apple logo. The current iPad has something to offer, but a 7" one, it won't IMO. It will be just too expensive to make it worth buying for anyone beyond Apple fans.

uknowimright
Jul 3, 2012, 02:04 PM
Same. Already pre-ordered. I had the iPad 3, loved the resolution but the thing is just too big to hold for long periods of time (avid Instapaper reader and kindle reader). I kept going back to my Kindle because it's just easier to read (holding). I'm hoping the Nexus 7 will be what I've been looking for. Too bad for iPad Mini. A little late to the game. The Nexus 7's PPI is pretty good too. Since I had Android for 3 years before going with iPhone 4s last year, I'm looking to join it again without a 2 year contract at $100+/mo.


the $25 bucks for Google Play content on top of what is already included is pretty nice too

billystlyes
Jul 3, 2012, 02:04 PM
I ordered my iPad mini over the weekend. It's called the Nexus 7...

The regular iPad is nice, but it's really too big and heavy to lug around. Plus, I would rather have a $200 device get stolen or fall and break than a $500 one.

marcusj0015
Jul 3, 2012, 02:04 PM
Yippie... even more work for developers.

No one cares about devs, you want money? work for it.

melendezest
Jul 3, 2012, 02:05 PM
This rumor just won't die. :confused:

On the other hand, if Apple builds it, then more power to them (and us). Nobody (except maybe competitors) loses if they did this. Customers get more choice, and I believe that to be a good thing. Like many here, I am too invested in the Apple ecosystem to turn to an alternative (not that I'd want to, I love their style). There's nothing wrong with alternatives, mind you. Just use what you like.

While I wouldn't be in the market for a 7" iPad, I would love a larger iPad.

As a musician, I would love to replace my MBP with a 13", 15" or even a 17" iPad (without the bezel being so thick) to be used as a touch-based sound mixer, virtual pedalboard, etc, that weighed about as much as an MBA. Just take the screen off the MBP and use that. "MaxiPad", maybe? (LOL)

I know this would not be for everyone, but as long as Apple adds lines without taking away, I can dream...can't I?;)

marcusj0015
Jul 3, 2012, 02:06 PM
Do you people realize how small an 8 inch iPad would be? It'd be smaller than our hands...

powers74
Jul 3, 2012, 02:09 PM
Maybe. If I had to guess, I see something like this replacing iPodTouch.

But then again, what the hell do I know

Piggie
Jul 3, 2012, 02:10 PM
Am I missing something here?

Apple make a nice profit on the iPad, If they did make a 7" model, which would be a little cheaper to make, case, screen etc, then it would cost them less to make.

They could decide to take less profit, and regard this as well worth it to get people on a lower budget into Apples ecosystem. After all getting customers into Apple's line of products is much more important in the long run than the odd $50 or $100 dollar profit on a low end device.

If many kids were bought them as children as they were a lot cheaper and could be afforded, perhaps multiple purchases, then those kids may grow up to buy iMacs etc, and all the software that makes Apple money also.

Look at is as almost a loss leader to get people into the store if you like.

Also.

Is there any reason why they could not just scrap the iPod Touch line and replace this with the 7" iPad instead?

charlituna
Jul 3, 2012, 02:17 PM
Getting old.

Well they are hoping if they keep repeating basically the same thing year after year eventually they will be right.

that said, they won't. Apple has gone on record saying they are NOT doing a smaller iPad. So if they do anything it will be a bigger iPod. Some folks will say that's just semantics but for developers it really isn't since a bigger iPod would be able use current iPod apps via scaling but iPad apps will have to be rewritten.

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Am I missing something here?

Apple make a nice profit on the iPad, If they did make a 7" model, which would be a little cheaper to make, case, screen etc, then it would cost them less to make.


What you are missing is that the current 7 inch tablets are all a bust. They have few sales, many complaints and returns and basically no mind share. The 10 inch iPad is already kicking their collective butts so why would Apple spend the time and effort to make something they feel would be substandard to compete with something they are already beating with the current products

rendevouspoo
Jul 3, 2012, 02:19 PM
What you are missing is that the current 7 inch tablets are all a bust.

In what way is the Kindle Fire a bust? It's one of the best reviewed tablets in the world.

charlituna
Jul 3, 2012, 02:20 PM
Could be fantastic for the education sector.



Apple already spent a great deal of effort making the 10 inch iPad THE education item. And it's working, why do anything else. Because the other boys are? Because it would be cheaper to buy? Two reasons Apple has never listened to for doing anything. Just because Steve is dead doesn't mean they will automatically change tactics because they can. That the new Macbook Pros feel like something Steve would totally approve of (including not including those blu-ray drives Steve hated) suggests that they are basically continuing Steve's Ways because they agree with the logic even though they have the power to go a different route

wolfpackfan
Jul 3, 2012, 02:22 PM
So you walk into Walmart and see the Nexus 7 or new Kindle Fire selling for $199 and the iPad mini for $299. Which would you buy? I bet most of the people walking in off the street would buy the Nexus or Kindle and Apple knows this. $199 is at the right price for most people to buy the item without thinking real hard on it, but $299 is over that threshold. That's why I don't think we will see a mini, even if I'd like to have one. It just isn't in Apple's nature to compete on price. They have always been about pay more for better quality. Ironic - I'm looking at the MacRumors reply page and what is at the top, an ad for the Nexus 7. Just my opinion for what it's worth.

apolloa
Jul 3, 2012, 02:23 PM
In what way is the Kindle Fire a bust? It's one of the best reviewed tablets in the world.

It has no fruit logo on it therefore it MUST be bust :rolleyes:

You wait, when they launch the Fire in Europe, Apple will loose sales and market share. I know several people myself who would rather have a smaller sized device.

charlituna
Jul 3, 2012, 02:26 PM
The thing is that I think that the Kindle Fire is eating into Apple's market a bit.

No it isn't. iPad sales have gone up week after week even with the Fire out there. The market share percent went down because the total units went up, nothing more or less.

And there are scads of reports of folks returning their Fire for anything else, most often an iPad.

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But for on the go everyday or long term use during the day

12-16 hours a day six days a week with a 10 inch iPad in my hand basically the whole time.

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done

apolloa
Jul 3, 2012, 02:27 PM
And there are scads of reports of folks returning their Fire for anything else, most often an iPad.

Proof????...... especially the part where you state they spend over double the price for an iPad.

deconstruct60
Jul 3, 2012, 02:29 PM
Just curious, why do you want a smaller tablet? I thought the iPad is relatively small/light and a good replacement if you don't want all the stuff that goes with a laptop.

Relative to a MBA 13" the iPad is small/light.

Relative to an iPhone/Touch the iPad is large/heavy.

The iPad is about 650-660 grams . the Kindle Fire/Nook Tablet/Nexus 7 are 413 , 399, 340 grams respectively. Relatively close to half the weight. If you hold them with one hand for 15 mins that would make a noticeable difference.

While the 7" tablet doesn't fit the "small enough for my tight jeans pocket" metric neither does the iPad. It may not work so great for spreadsheets, but with higher dpi screens photos , video, ebooks and many games work just about as well at this size.

One common way Apple presents the iPad use is with it resting on a lap , on desk , or on something else rather than being held freely.

FoxMcCloud
Jul 3, 2012, 02:31 PM
If anything they might just up the size of the ipod touch. Thats essentially an ipad mini.

charlituna
Jul 3, 2012, 02:32 PM
In what way is the Kindle Fire a bust? It's one of the best reviewed tablets in the world.

Reviews and sales are NOT the same thing.

Amazon announces sales of the Kindle line up, but not the Fire specifically. During the month of December it was something like 1 million Kindles a week and then dropped to like a quarter of that after the holidays. Supposed the Fire was the top selling model but we have no idea how many actual units were sold. Or returned as folks found out thinks like they can't log out of their Prime account or nothing works and there was no password input or parental controls and so on.

there have been post after post on all sorts of blogs about how crappy the Fire actually is and how folks were returning it within days of getting it. Telling their friends and family not to bother etc.

There have even been rumors that Amazon is talking about making a 10 inch model to compete with the iPad.

THAT is what makes it a bust.

Westside guy
Jul 3, 2012, 02:32 PM
I don't see why people are against it. Just because you don't want one doesn't mean other people don't want it either. It's not like Apple is forcing you to give up your 9.7" iPad.

Some people get their sense of validation and self-worth based on their Apple product purchases.

Think of those people's morale before you thoughtlessly purchase a 7" tablet, please.

shanmugam
Jul 3, 2012, 02:32 PM
Proof????...... especially the part where you state they spend over double the price for an iPad.

Kindle Fire returns are mainly due the Andriod 2.3 and locked to Amazon eco system, Nexus 7 Will change that ...

charlituna
Jul 3, 2012, 02:33 PM
Some people get their sense of validation and self-worth based on their Apple product purchases.

That goes both ways. Just because YOU think that a 7 inch tablet would be awesome doesn't mean that the majority agrees with you or that Apple simply has to do it to keep you happy.

Piggie
Jul 3, 2012, 02:35 PM
What you are missing is that the current 7 inch tablets are all a bust. They have few sales, many complaints and returns and basically no mind share. The 10 inch iPad is already kicking their collective butts so why would Apple spend the time and effort to make something they feel would be substandard to compete with something they are already beating with the current products

Perhaps everyone does not live in your wealthy universe and perhaps has a limited budget for "what in effect is" a toy they don't really need.

Perhaps they have 3 children and looking to buy them gifts for Christmas but $1200 is way WAY over their budget.

Hey, why does Ford make cars, we should just all go out and buy a Rolls Royce as it's better.

So you are saying a 7" iPad, in your eyes, would be just as rubbish as a 7" device from a different maker of tablets are you?

rendevouspoo
Jul 3, 2012, 02:36 PM
there have been post after post on all sorts of blogs about how crappy the Fire actually is and how folks were returning it within days of getting it. Telling their friends and family not to bother etc.

There have even been rumors that Amazon is talking about making a 10 inch model to compete with the iPad.

THAT is what makes it a bust.

You've not provided a single source for you allegations. Kindle makes a great product in the Fire. Especially for the price. I know numerous people who has one that love. People can finally afford a tablet that otherwise wouldn't be able to. That's not a bad thing.

Sources are your friend though.

bushido
Jul 3, 2012, 02:36 PM
Yippie... even more work for developers.

thats their job though

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i can see why people would want a smaller iPad, its the reason why i bought a kindle (easier to carry, hold etc for reading) even though i already owned an iPad

Jaybee75
Jul 3, 2012, 02:37 PM
think about that:

- SJ said he wants to change the way kids use textbooks
- Apple has an educational sales channel
- and now there is a rumored 8" iPad

This 8" iPad could have a very light and cheap case (plastic) maybe with some rubber on the edges to make it more robust and is only sold to schools. It would be lighter, smaller, cheaper and would not cannibalise regular iPad sales. Kids usually have better eyes so the smaller UI isn't an issue.

j.

deconstruct60
Jul 3, 2012, 02:38 PM
Apple already spent a great deal of effort making the 10 inch iPad THE education item. And it's working, why do anything else. ... Because it would be cheaper to buy?


Not sure where you are, but most places worldwide governments are strapped for cash. That is one reason why Apple is selling "last year's" iPad. They needed to move down on price to get more education locations to adopt. At 7" they can sell "this year's" model not last year's ( or two years ago model. I doubt retina display is coming to the "last year's model" price point next year. For example, the iPhone 3GS is still for sale.).

cdembek
Jul 3, 2012, 02:40 PM
What is the point? IMO a 7.85" iPad would directly impact sales of the iPad. Everyone knows at least one person that has purchased the "$299" deal only to go out and buy an iPad in the end.

daneoni
Jul 3, 2012, 02:41 PM
I'd like this a lot. I personally find the 9" form factor cumbersome.

Mattsasa
Jul 3, 2012, 02:47 PM
Not happening. Just saying.

KdParker
Jul 3, 2012, 02:48 PM
An iPad is 'light.'

It is not though 'small'...it is a medium sized device that usually requires a case, carrying case or backpack. It is not easily slipped into a coat or pants pocket.

Many people want something that is bigger then an iPhone and smaller then an iPad and that would be the 7" iPad/iTouch.

iPhone 4"
iTouch 7"
iPad 10"

It's the best of both worlds. If you don't need it, then you don't have to buy it. But there IS a market for it.

that makes since....I was just curious :)

50548
Jul 3, 2012, 02:49 PM
No need for it. iPhone for on the go. iPad for when im home/in the hotel.

Absolutely. A 7" iPad is as relevant as a 27" iPhone. The moment this happens is the moment when we'll definitely know Apple has lost its way under Cook and his non-innovative leadership.

BOTTOM LINE: Short Apple while you still can.

G5isAlive
Jul 3, 2012, 02:49 PM
I highly, highly doubt that the Nexus 7 will be "plastic junk." Kindle Fire is, first and foremost, an e-reader. It does a fine damn job at it too.

better than the iPad? The e-ink devices have some advantages but the Fire doesn't seem to have their advantages and all the 'disadvantages' of the iPad, the same screen issues (but smaller) , shorter batter life, okay a bit lighter, but what else makes it a better e-reader than the iPad such that if the iPad 7" comes out I would prefer a fire over it as an e-reader?

Thunderhawks
Jul 3, 2012, 02:49 PM
But then again, what the hell do I know

That makes you an analyst.

DigiTimes says it's a definite maybe.

cdmoore74
Jul 3, 2012, 02:50 PM
My wife thinks 7" is perfect.

What a coincidence. She said the same thing to me.

kiljoy616
Jul 3, 2012, 02:55 PM
You must not have an iPad 3.... the iPad 3 screen alone is better than the 2. I'd take the retina display... all by itself over the 2. So no, 2 isn't the best tablet ever I'm afraid to say.

I just used my new retina MBP side by side my year-old 15" MBP. No contest. The old 15" screen looks like the worst in the world compared to the retina screen.

Embrace innovation.

How quickly we get use to better things and yet some will fight it till they die or are dragged to change.

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What a coincidence. She said the same thing to me.

Oh you did not, ROFL :cool:

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better than the iPad? The e-ink devices have some advantages but the Fire doesn't seem to have their advantages and all the 'disadvantages' of the iPad, the same screen issues (but smaller) , shorter batter life, okay a bit lighter, but what else makes it a better e-reader than the iPad such that if the iPad 7" comes out I would prefer a fire over it as an e-reader?

But the fandroids will buy it and drool at its magical perfections :rolleyes:

deconstruct60
Jul 3, 2012, 02:57 PM
So you walk into Walmart and see the Nexus 7 or new Kindle Fire selling for $199 and the iPad mini for $299. Which would you buy?

Depends upon how hooked into the Apple ecosystem they are.
If they have an iPhone (not replacing but will share apps), Touch ( replacing with a substantially bigger & better screen) , and/or a large iTunes DRM collection then the $100 isn't a big gap.

Likewise for the Android folks. Nexus 7" will look better (even if Apple matched the $199 price).

As a general purpose tablet the Fire has problems. If primarily using it for e-reading , some web , a video streaming , and cutesy games to pass the time then perhaps.

It just isn't in Apple's nature to compete on price.


If the 7" iPad is priced $100 more then they aren't competing on price.
They rarely just "quit" because they are priced higher though. It is only if they can't get folks to pay the premium. In most cases, they can.



They have always been about pay more for better quality.


Ironically, they can compete on less lockin. Fire is heavily locked into the Amazon store and content. Nexus 7" not as much but they will heavily push Google Play, but Apple will push "app count". On iPad can use Safari or Chrome now. ( it isn't quite real Chrome but it is somewhat integrated. )





Ironic - I'm looking at the MacRumors reply page and what is at the top, an ad for the Nexus 7. .

It isn't ironic. Ads are targeted. Because this is 7" tablet target google is paying more to advertise here.

xkmxkmxlmx
Jul 3, 2012, 03:02 PM
Just curious, why do you want a smaller tablet? I thought the iPad is relatively small/light and a good replacement if you don't want all the stuff that goes with a laptop.

I have an iPad and love it for many reasons... but it just isn't portable in my eyes. I would never whip it out on a train, for instance, and read a book. I also don't like reading books or comics on my iPhone - too small.

A 7-8" iPad would be PERFECT for reading and transporting, imo. When I am at home lounging around inside or in my yard, the 9" is great.

Piggie
Jul 3, 2012, 03:10 PM
I would never whip it out on a train, for instance........ When I am at home lounging around inside or in my yard, the 9" is great.

Isn't there some law against this? :eek:

rendevouspoo
Jul 3, 2012, 03:14 PM
better than the iPad? The e-ink devices have some advantages but the Fire doesn't seem to have their advantages and all the 'disadvantages' of the iPad, the same screen issues (but smaller) , shorter batter life, okay a bit lighter, but what else makes it a better e-reader than the iPad such that if the iPad 7" comes out I would prefer a fire over it as an e-reader?

No, if there were a 7" iPad that would come out, it probably would be better as far as e-reading goes. The Fire would still sell a lot because, being Apple, the 7" iPad would be 100 dollars more expensive.

The Fire is a much, MUCH better device for reading in bed, for example, than the iPad due to the 'a bit lighter' aspect.

deconstruct60
Jul 3, 2012, 03:16 PM
Reviews and sales are NOT the same thing.

Amazon announces sales of the Kindle line up, but not the Fire specifically. During the month of December it was something like 1 million Kindles a week and then dropped to like a quarter of that after the holidays.

Really, sales dropped off after the holidays in retail? Doom. pure doom. not.

Fires were a bit over hyped but without global countries to incrementally roll out to throughout the year it is probably going to be very cyclical.



there have been post after post on all sorts of blogs about how crappy the Fire actually is and how folks were returning it within days of getting it. Telling their friends and family not to bother etc.

Frankly, lots of folks got them as presents or had bad expectations (sold as a discount general Android tablet). That isn't necessarily a doomed product. Of the folks that do keep the Fire are they buying stuff? Is Amazon starting to break even on them. That is far more critical factors than are there some whiners about the product. If you sell a couple million they are going to be more than a few.



There have even been rumors that Amazon is talking about making a 10 inch model to compete with the iPad.

None of those rumors said Amazon was dropping the 10" for the 7" . The 10" is being positioned in addition to the 7" version. It is a chance for Amazon to chase a higher price point and perhaps something closer to break-even.


THAT is what makes it a bust.


Such a huge bust that Google quickly bought into a prototype and got something competitive out the door.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/how-the-nexus-7-came-to-be/

Blakjack
Jul 3, 2012, 03:20 PM
It'll probably be branded as an iPod rather than an iPad. Yeah it doesn't make sense, but neither does a 7.85-inch iPad.

Maybe they'll kill the iPod Touch and replace it with this?

Kinda with you. I see a bigger iPod touch instead of a smaller iPad. The iPad 9.7" is THE iPad.

hobo.hopkins
Jul 3, 2012, 03:25 PM
I can't see this happening until Apple sees some serious competition. Until then, it would only serve to muddy the waters for customers.

GorgonPhone
Jul 3, 2012, 03:39 PM
Pricing is gonna be a major factor, iPad 2 (still the best tablet ever)
sells for £299.99

its welcome 7" thought but we have to be reasonable here but then again it Apple we gossiping about

ipad 3 is the best tablet ever.:)

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 03:43 PM
What you are missing is that the current 7 inch tablets are all a bust. They have few sales, many complaints and returns and basically no mind share. The 10 inch iPad is already kicking their collective butts so why would Apple spend the time and effort to make something they feel would be substandard to compete with something they are already beating with the current products

They are busts because they are NOT APPLE and do not have the ECOSYSTEM and APPS.

If Apple makes the 7" iTouch, then it's going to do just damn fine. And many people who have and iPhone and iPad will buy it also. It serves a different niche of users.

Me for example. I'll get it and take it on the go as the day to day mobile device. I'll leave the iPad at home for home/couch/content consumption and for vacations.

Just like Audi has a A1, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7 A8...different sizes and types for different users.

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I can't see this happening until Apple sees some serious competition. Until then, it would only serve to muddy the waters for customers.

Muddy the waters how?

iPhone - 4"
iTouch - 7"
iPad - 10"

Doesn't get much clearer then that.

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I have an iPad and love it for many reasons... but it just isn't portable in my eyes. I would never whip it out on a train, for instance, and read a book. I also don't like reading books or comics on my iPhone - too small.

A 7-8" iPad would be PERFECT for reading and transporting, imo. When I am at home lounging around inside or in my yard, the 9" is great.

Yep...I agree and have been saying this is every 7" new item whenever it comes up.

The iPad is portable.

It's not IDEAL for many situations though.

A 7" is.

IzzyJG99
Jul 3, 2012, 03:47 PM
I think if they did (I doubt they will) bring out a 7.5" iPad it would sell well. Certainly would blow the Kindle Fire people out of the water. But I think the current screen size of the iPad is just perfect. Making it any bigger or smaller would just be pointless.

inkswamp
Jul 3, 2012, 03:50 PM
My wife thinks 7" is perfect.

That's not what she told me. :D ;)

hayesk
Jul 3, 2012, 03:55 PM
Muddy the waters how?

iPhone - 4"
iTouch - 7"
iPad - 10"

Doesn't get much clearer then that.


How does you ignoring the use cases for the devices make it clear? The iPhone is clearly different than the iPad, not just in size, but in suitability for functions. It's ultra-portable, fits in your pocket, and runs apps designed for a small size and one handed operation.

The iPad is portable, but less so, but the big difference is that the 10" screen enabled "page sized" interfaces allowing for higher productivity apps.

The muddy part is what the 7" model is designed for. It's not big enough to run productivity apps well and Apple won't simply scale down the UI (the widgets would be too small to touch), and it's too big to run iPhone apps without looking strange. Will there be a new category of apps on the app store? Will we need triple-ultra-binaries for apps native to iPhone/iPod, iPad, and mini iPad?

rendevouspoo
Jul 3, 2012, 03:55 PM
They are busts because they are NOT APPLE and do not have the ECOSYSTEM and APPS.


wat

inkswamp
Jul 3, 2012, 03:55 PM
Perhaps everyone does not live in your wealthy universe and perhaps has a limited budget for "what in effect is" a toy they don't really need.

Then why would they even be in the market for a tablet in the first place? It's through-and-through a luxury computing item, no matter what platform you're talking. The scenario you're painting...

Perhaps they have 3 children and looking to buy them gifts for Christmas but $1200 is way WAY over their budget.

... just doesn't make any sense. Not only would someone on a fixed budget not be looking at tablets, they also wouldn't be looking at buying one per child. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but describing it with highly unrealistic hypothetical situations doesn't help.

Glideslope
Jul 3, 2012, 03:56 PM
Time to Assimilate the 7" Market.

Some time in the future, people from all around the globe will be using their 7" iPads. These devices will run iControl. An application in it's infancy, destined to one day control our plethora of iOS devices.

Included will be MyHome. A suite of iOS controls for all you homes' needs. iPad, iPhone, ATV, iDVR, iTunes, iAC, iThermo, iLites.

Now Ken and Barbie can have a Home iPad and one for the purse or golf bag. The golf bag many be pushing it, but NEVER underestimate the "Power of the Purse".

I've said a 7" is coming for over a year. September should be a "Magical" month. :apple:

Carouser
Jul 3, 2012, 04:01 PM
This is what I was saying in a different thread yesterday.

There are many times, esp in business where being able to easily hold a tablet device with one hand, and have the other free to do things would be ideal and what's needed.

The typical response I got was along the lines of, no it's not, the current size is perfect, and you need to man up if you can't hold the current model in one hand for any length of time.(

Actually, the response you got wasn't that at all. Literally nobody said it, so you are just lying now. The response you got was "Apple already makes a touchscreen device you can hold in one hand, so how come neither a 3.5" nor a 10" device are appropriate but a 7" device is? In what kind of scenario are the former two unusable but the latter size is ideal?" You dodged the question as always.

AustinIllini
Jul 3, 2012, 04:05 PM
Yep...I agree and have been saying this is every 7" new item whenever it comes up.

The iPad is portable.

It's not IDEAL for many situations though.

A 7" is.

I agree with this. It just seems like 7" is better for actually doing things while moving, particularly in the healthcare field. But what do I know?

oliversl
Jul 3, 2012, 04:09 PM
I will have to touch that 7" iPad, seeing in the Apple.com website will not work for me. I have to "see" it with my hands.

If Apple release an 4,5" iPhone or 7" iPad, that will means a big change. And I don't think its a good change.

uknowimright
Jul 3, 2012, 04:09 PM
hilarious how choice hurts and confuses some of the posters here

rendevouspoo
Jul 3, 2012, 04:11 PM
Then why would they even be in the market for a tablet in the first place? It's through-and-through a luxury computing item, no matter what platform you're talking. The scenario you're painting...



If the Surface turns out like a lot of people expect, their table COULD be the future of computing items. As of right now, you can pretty much replace a computer for an average person and it would do the job.

Technology is growing more and more into a necessity rather than luxury. It's an ideal way to get jobs and help education.

Carouser
Jul 3, 2012, 04:11 PM
I agree with this. It just seems like 7" is better for actually doing things while moving, particularly in the healthcare field. But what do I know?

People who actually work in health care IT can tell you that infrastructure is already set up around smartphones, terminals, and tablets such as the iPad. The question isn't whether 7" is just 'better for moving around' than the other options, it's whether the benefits (to Apple and to customers like health IT) are worth the costs. Right now, a doc can go to an office and bring up your chart on the terminal in the office, and use a smartphone or tablet if they are away. Do you think any additional ease a 7" tablet provides is enough of a benefit to induce sufficient sales to make it worthwhile for Apple? It's not that you're wrong, but do you see why people are skeptical?

lowonthe456
Jul 3, 2012, 04:11 PM
For Retina display and 3g/4g @ $329...I'd be in IF it were to happen.

JoEw
Jul 3, 2012, 04:12 PM
$299
16GB
same display density as iPad 2
Famous 10 hour battery life

Sounds like a winner ;)

apolloa
Jul 3, 2012, 04:12 PM
They are busts because they are NOT APPLE and do not have the ECOSYSTEM and APPS.

If Apple makes the 7" iTouch, then it's going to do just damn fine. And many people who have and iPhone and iPad will buy it also. It serves a different niche of users.

Me for example. I'll get it and take it on the go as the day to day mobile device. I'll leave the iPad at home for home/couch/content consumption and for vacations.

Just like Audi has a A1, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7 A8...different sizes and types for different users.

So by your thinking many iPhone owners will buy two iPads? And many Audi owners have three Audi's do they? An A1, A3, and A6 all less then three years old?

Different models for different markets does NOT translate to different models all owned by one market.

And in case you forgot, Amazon has a damn fine ecosystem and is a very well known home brand e-reader.

mcman77
Jul 3, 2012, 04:14 PM
Yup, the device Google ARE selling at a huge loss per unit by selling it at $200, essentially having to pay people to buy one as opposed to the tens of millions willingly dropping up to £649 on an iPad. :cool:

Lol stop being a mug and spread crap. They aren't selling it at a loss. Currys here in the UK is selling it at £189 for the 16gb! that is £11 cheaper than the google play store.

They have a small profit margin....SMALL.

floobie
Jul 3, 2012, 04:14 PM
I say it every time this rumour surfaces:

Make it and I'll buy one and use the hell out of it. The size of the iPad right now is pretty much the only thing keeping me from finally buying a tablet.

fertilized-egg
Jul 3, 2012, 04:16 PM
The magic number 7.85" has been floating around since last year, indicating that Jobs was probably fully aware of this idea.

More importantly a 7.85" iPad is really an 8" tablet, not a 7". It's just a 1" difference in diagonal but makes a fairly significant difference in the size because with a 7.85" diagonal length the iPad mini's touch objects will be identical in size to iPhone's. In other words, if you have no problem using iPhone apps, the iPad mini will probably be usable.

What I'm most interested in is the amount of bezel. If Apple can really reduce the size of bezel on this tablet, it'll look much more attractive sitting next to 7" Android tablets and given iPad's strong app ecosystem, it'll be an easy purchase for many as a Christmas gift. Heck, I can already see many existing iPad owners buying this on top of their iPad, as a second tablet device.

Also it'll make a killer GPS device too.

dampfnudel
Jul 3, 2012, 04:20 PM
I was hoping Apple would reduce the weight of the iPad to a more wrist-friendly just under 1 pound weight and a 7.85" iPad may just be the ticket. Then again, it could be next year before the smaller iPad comes out which would be a long wait for me.

I just hope a 64GB version is released.

lighthouse_man
Jul 3, 2012, 04:21 PM
I don't think Apple'd ever venture with the 7" format unless they foresee market domination and so the price if this is true won't be more than 249. I don't understand how relative the iPod touch price to this argument since it is a completely different product.

Nexus 7 is confined to the US, Canada, UK and Australia. Amazon Fire is even more limited. There's a whole bigger market outside the English speaking countries to confront and Apple is already leading there.

apolloa
Jul 3, 2012, 04:23 PM
Yup, the device Google ARE selling at a huge loss per unit by selling it at $200, essentially having to pay people to buy one as opposed to the tens of millions willingly dropping up to £649 on an iPad. :cool:

Excuse Me!! I would NEVER pay that ridiculous over charge for an iPad. I would rather buy the core i5 Microsoft Surface which would eat an iPad!! And yeah, I am more then sure tens of millions of people have ALL gone out and paid for the **("£659")** for the absolute top end iPad PLUS a data contract :rolleyes:

Think you need to re-phrase that comment.

BTW: £659 = $1033

xkmxkmxlmx
Jul 3, 2012, 04:27 PM
hilarious how choice hurts and confuses some of the posters here

Exactly. If they're not interested in it, what does it matter? It isn't like it makes the current iPad obsolete in any way.

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 04:40 PM
How does you ignoring the use cases for the devices make it clear? The iPhone is clearly different than the iPad, not just in size, but in suitability for functions. It's ultra-portable, fits in your pocket, and runs apps designed for a small size and one handed operation.

The iPad is portable, but less so, but the big difference is that the 10" screen enabled "page sized" interfaces allowing for higher productivity apps.

The muddy part is what the 7" model is designed for. It's not big enough to run productivity apps well and Apple won't simply scale down the UI (the widgets would be too small to touch), and it's too big to run iPhone apps without looking strange. Will there be a new category of apps on the app store? Will we need triple-ultra-binaries for apps native to iPhone/iPod, iPad, and mini iPad?

What am I ignoring?

It's not big enough for productivity? In what? It would be the perfect size for nurses, doctors, restaurants, retail, and so on...not to mention the e-reader size for on the go. The industries are limitless that could take advantage of it. I'd love to have a 7" tablet for production shoots on the go along with checking shots and other things.

The size allows you to still hold it comfortably in one hand. The iPad is not 'comfortable' for single holding use. That is why they have kick stands, holders for it. It's a couch/desk device ideally that is portable.

Hello gaming? Most kids have a iPod Touch. They would love to have something bigger but still portable that fits into their pockets. Car dashboards is another spot.

There is a market and use for a 7" tablet. I can't help it you can't see it clearly.

-hh
Jul 3, 2012, 04:40 PM
I would welcome the addition... despite others saying it wont happen.

IMO, it is going to be adopted onto Automotive dashboards.

Mercedes has announced iOS collaboration with Apple, and their A Class prototype that's been at the auto shows has a pad on its dashboard that doesn't look to be full sized.


-hh

caseyh
Jul 3, 2012, 04:43 PM
My wife thinks 7" is perfect.

I see what you did there...

Ryth
Jul 3, 2012, 04:45 PM
So by your thinking many iPhone owners will buy two iPads? And many Audi owners have three Audi's do they? An A1, A3, and A6 all less then three years old?

Different models for different markets does NOT translate to different models all owned by one market.

And in case you forgot, Amazon has a damn fine ecosystem and is a very well known home brand e-reader.

Audi, which is considered a luxury car maker makes cars in different sizes. Some of those sizes between them are so minimal, many ask why they they even have that model. To each their own. Some want the smaller A3 vs the A4. But they are so similar that using some of the logic on this board, they would tell Audi they don't need the A3 and the A4...just pick one of the two. And yes, some people do own multiple Audis. If you got the cash.

Look at Hyundai. They have the Elantra which is a smaller Sonata and they have the Azera which is a bigger Sonata. They have their pros and cons to each but they are all similar in the family and all based off each other.

My point is that many Apple users have an iPhone and iPad and Mac Air/MacPro. That's 3 devices and some say they sure don't need an iPad and iPhone.

Let people decide what they want. Many want a 7" iTouch. It fits in between the iPhone and iPad.

Comparied to Apple's eco-system, Amazon's is ****...otherwise why would they need to take a loss on their readers if it was so good? Obviously their eco-system sure isn't selling the devices.

fertilized-egg
Jul 3, 2012, 04:45 PM
No, if there were a 7" iPad that would come out, it probably would be better as far as e-reading goes. The Fire would still sell a lot because, being Apple, the 7" iPad would be 100 dollars more expensive.


If it's $250, I'd say Fire is doomed. It already sold a bit below most expectations and combined with Nexus 7 and 8" iPad, I'd think Fire will struggle even more. Then again, maybe the new Fire will kill Nexus 7 instead.

But it's not really Apple being Apple. Both Kindle and Nexus 7 are(or were) being sold at at cost or even below the cost. It's simply both Amazon and Google didn't care about making money off selling the device but instead to grab users at all cost.

(I'm sure Samsung and Acer are excited about the new tablet market where hardware in Android is sold off below the cost, especially with Microsoft jumping in with Surface)

cdmoore74
Jul 3, 2012, 04:47 PM
I’m all for a smaller iPad but put yourself in Apple shoes. The BOM (build of material) cost for an iPad 3 16gig was $310 when it first came out. That is a $190 profit just on hardware alone. If Apple releases a high quality iPad 7.85 inch at let’s say $300 my guess is that the BOM cost would be around $200 to $225. Let’s compare. So if Apple was to sale 1000 ipad 3’s they would profit $190,000. And if apple sold 1000 iPad mini’s they would only profit $100,000. And what if Apple is only making a $50 profit on each unit sold? That would only be $50,000.
I don’t believe Apple wants to compete with the Kindle fire or let alone the Nexus 7. Sad to say but it would be more beneficial for Apple to sue the crap out of Google with the Nexus 7 then to compete toe to toe and diminish their money maker 9.7 inch model. I hope I’m completely wrong because I’m tired of seeing Apple sue everything that moves. And with these tablets being hand built I do not see a decrease in time just because the unit is smaller. The factory worker would get paid the same regardless if it’s a 7 inch or 10 inch model; no benefit to Apple.
I strongly believe that a cheap $250 to $300 iPad mini would hurt Apple’s bottom line. Investors want you to make more money; not bring in less. I was willing to pay up to $400 for an iPad mini but not after seeing the high quality Nexus 7.

rendevouspoo
Jul 3, 2012, 04:49 PM
I was willing to pay up to $400 for an iPad mini but not after seeing the high quality Nexus 7.

Ding Ding Ding. Apple would have to make an 7" within 25-50 dollars to compete with the new Nexus. That thing is slick. If they did put one out within the same cost range, I would buy it as well as the Nexus.

Squid7085
Jul 3, 2012, 05:10 PM
I wouldn't buy a 7-incher personally, but the current iPad is a bit uncomfortable for reading naturally, which is why I got a Kindle. Even if I wouldn't buy one, I think it would be great from a competitive standpoint for Apple. If it was even $299, I think most people would take a serious look at the $100 more for the iPad. The Nexus 7 isn't directly competing with the iPad, but Apple can surely compete directly with the Fire and Nexus 7.

nfl46
Jul 3, 2012, 05:18 PM
We're getting:

iMacs
New iPhone
7" iPad

in October!

NICE!!! :D:D

hissyfit
Jul 3, 2012, 05:43 PM
I'd be al over this!!! Ditch my !0 inch for the 7inch ??? Yes please :apple:!

penguy
Jul 3, 2012, 05:53 PM
$299
16GB
same display density as iPad 2
Famous 10 hour battery life

Sounds like a winner ;)

but the iPad 2 pixel density is 132 vs Kindle Fire at 169 vs Nexus 7 at 216 vs iPad 3 at 264.

We only have the iPad 3 at home which is beautiful to look at...but if you compare my iPhone 4 (326) to my wife's iPhone 3GS which is 163, the 3GS looks terrible. We are getting spoiled by the improvements (I thought my 3GS was fantastic when it came out, but now...)

My point is, if/when Apple introduces a ~7" iPad, it will need to have a resolution comparable to the latest iPad, or at least the Nexus 7, or it will disappoint a lot of people.
A previous MacRumors article indicated that a logical size for a smaller iPad would be 7.85" and would yield the same 163PPI as the non-retina iPhone, assuming the same resolution as the iPad 2 but squeezed into the smaller screen, better than the iPad 2, the same as the 3GS, but signficantly worse than the Nexus.

If that occurs, I think I would go with the Nexus 7, even though I am firmly in the Apple eco-system. Assuming the Nexus is as smooth as it appears to be, it looks like it can do what I want at the right price point...I am a little surprised that so many people in this thread don't think this will fly off the shelves

The Tech Fish
Jul 3, 2012, 05:57 PM
Apple Planning for 7.85-Inch 'iPad Mini' with IGZO Display Later This Year?

Deja Vu much?

apolloa
Jul 3, 2012, 06:18 PM
My point is that many Apple users have an iPhone and iPad and Mac Air/MacPro. That's 3 devices and some say they sure don't need an iPad and iPhone.

Let people decide what they want. Many want a 7" iTouch. It fits in between the iPhone and iPad.

Comparied to Apple's eco-system, Amazon's is ****...otherwise why would they need to take a loss on their readers if it was so good? Obviously their eco-system sure isn't selling the devices.

You said:

If Apple makes the 7" iTouch, then it's going to do just damn fine. And many people who have and iPhone and iPad will buy it also. It serves a different niche of users.

Me for example. I'll get it and take it on the go as the day to day mobile device. I'll leave the iPad at home for home/couch/content consumption and for vacations.

Just like Audi has a A1, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7 A8...different sizes and types for different users.

So basically YOU stated that MANY people who already own an iPhone and iPad WILL buy a 7" iPad as well.
Then YOU used Audi cars in the same comment as an example of this. You said this, not me.

Sure people have 3 or more Audi's all under 3 years old, but they hardly make up the 'many' that you are implying in your comment!
What the many would do is sell the normal iPad and then buy a 7" one, to think many people would have two iPads is daft really and makes no sense, you would have a computer and an iPad, but the majority of people would not personally have two iPads.

As for the eco system, I know PLEEENNNTTTTTYYYYY more people who use a Kindle E-Reader, the Fire has that same access to Amazons legendary books and magazines, and it has a healthy app store, as for the apps IMO Apple has far too much shovel ware pointless rubbish. Many people would do just fine with Amazon's app store.
And since when has Amazon made a loss on it's e-readers? Fire is probably sold at close to wholesale, Kindles no, and when your Kindles are the number one selling device amongst thousands of other items, your doing something right.

Many many many people have stated Amazon can take Apple on because of it's eco system, plus it has house hold names even your mums heard of. I doubt it will beat the current iPad, but a 7" iPad costing over twice as much would find it tough, Amazon can more then match Apple's advertising clout. And I haven't mentioned the Nexus even.....

I am talking about new sales by the way.

TheMarc
Jul 3, 2012, 06:46 PM
Why the new rumors now? Could it be that it's true, and that Apple would hope to make some potential Nexus 7 buyers wait for an ipad mini? It's sort of working for me, at least.

knucklehead
Jul 3, 2012, 07:02 PM
If Apple is building a touch-pad with a 7-inch screen, it will be a remote for the "Apple TV". That doesn't mean it won't be able run all the existing apps, only that the package would be a flat screen TV and this new remote.

The 7.xx iPad will become the "real" iPad transforming the 9.7 iPad into the remote for the "Apple TV" that hasn't been released yet.
The current iPad is already couch potato's friend -- why not make it the TV remote? The 7.xx iPad will be the device you actually get up off your rump and walk out the door with --- a Real Man's (or Woman's) iPad!

Just kidding ... but not really ....

AppleScruff1
Jul 3, 2012, 07:11 PM
Maybe the 7" iPad will be the new iPhone? Apple will outdo everyone on screen size and have the biggest smartphone of all. Imagine the bragging rights!!

knucklehead
Jul 3, 2012, 07:14 PM
Will it include a file for your fingers?

The same one that's included with the iPhone/Touch.

sineplex
Jul 3, 2012, 07:29 PM
by the time this gets released if ever, it will be too little too late.

djrod
Jul 3, 2012, 07:29 PM
Maybe the 7" iPad will be the new iPhone? Apple will outdo everyone on screen size and have the biggest smartphone of all. Imagine the bragging rights!!

Does include a backpack to carry the thing?

sulpfiction
Jul 3, 2012, 07:50 PM
iPad 2 (still the best tablet ever)

My iPad 3 is much nicer then my iPad 2..Just sayin.

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Maybe the 7" iPad will be the new iPhone? Apple will outdo everyone on screen size and have the biggest smartphone of all. Imagine the bragging rights!!

Are u joking? Bragging rights?? I would be totally embarrassed to carry a 7" iPhone. Worst idea I've read in a while.

Kruegstar
Jul 3, 2012, 08:41 PM
man i hope they make that screen bezel smaller... it bothers me

Roxygirl354
Jul 3, 2012, 09:46 PM
I have 2 ipads the ipad 2 and the new ipad (ipad 3) and I'm very happy with them, I also have a mini ipad its called an ipod touch it basicaly does the same but its a LOT smaller.

iapplelove
Jul 3, 2012, 10:40 PM
Absolutely welcome!

9.7 is too clumsy, imho...

Lol the user is clumsy not the device..

Millions sold and yet I have never heard it being "clumsy"

MACdaddy859
Jul 3, 2012, 11:31 PM
Yippie... even more work for developers.

thats what they get paid for

AustinIllini
Jul 3, 2012, 11:36 PM
Deja Vu much?

http://nmap.org/movies/matrix/trinity_hacking_crop.jpg

"That means they've changed something."

WeegieMac
Jul 4, 2012, 01:36 AM
Excuse Me!! I would NEVER pay that ridiculous over charge for an iPad. I would rather buy the core i5 Microsoft Surface which would eat an iPad!! And yeah, I am more then sure tens of millions of people have ALL gone out and paid for the **("£659")** for the absolute top end iPad PLUS a data contract :rolleyes:

Think you need to re-phrase that comment.

BTW: £659 = $1033

No, £649 = £649.

I don't get paid in dollars, never use dollars, and people (mainly UK citizens who visit the US) who bitch about Americans "paying less" because of the $ to £ comparison do my nut in. People who compare prices in currencies they'll never be paid in or use are idiots.

And I use a PAYG GiffGaff sim for data, so ram that where the sun doesn't shine.

And as for buying a Surface? I'd rather wipe my piles with sandpaper after having a curry.

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Lol stop being a mug and spread crap. They aren't selling it at a loss. Currys here in the UK is selling it at £189 for the 16gb! that is £11 cheaper than the google play store.

They have a small profit margin....SMALL.

Only reporting what was reported elsewhere.

Everything I have to say is said in this article:

http://gizmodo.com/5922043/you-cant-beat-the-ipad-just-by-losing-money

karlwig
Jul 4, 2012, 03:43 AM
price will be key here ... hopefully apple doesnt pull the 'we are apple' pricing with it.

I'm sure they won't. I don't see Apple compete at $199 for the mini, but they will probably offer it at $299.

That would cover almost all bases in the tablet market:

iPad mini $299
iPad 2 $399
Retina iPad $499 and up

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Maybe the 7" iPad will be the new iPhone? Apple will outdo everyone on screen size and have the biggest smartphone of all. Imagine the bragging rights!!

In all seriouslness, I think an iPadphone would be pretty cool. With handsfree you could just have it in your bag and it wouldn't look so stupid when you walk around and talk.

SpyderBite
Jul 4, 2012, 05:36 AM
Maybe the 7" iPad will be the new iPhone? Apple will outdo everyone on screen size and have the biggest smartphone of all. Imagine the bragging rights!!

Oh please. I'm already scared for my life on the road with all the texting while driving idiots out there. I can only imagine a whole new batch of them in the wrong lane and on the sidewalk while texting with a 7" iPhone in their lap. :eek:

apolloa
Jul 4, 2012, 06:03 AM
No, £649 = £649.

I don't get paid in dollars, never use dollars, and people (mainly UK citizens who visit the US) who bitch about Americans "paying less" because of the $ to £ comparison do my nut in. People who compare prices in currencies they'll never be paid in or use are idiots.

And I use a PAYG GiffGaff sim for data, so ram that where the sun doesn't shine.

Typical language from a Scot, I'll just 'RAM' your mother thanks :D and in Scotland you must have a special website because, I can plainly see here the iPad IS £659:

64GB WiFi + Cellular: http://store.apple.com/uk/buy/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad/new_ipad

And I also stated the value of £659 in dollers for the American people on here, Christ I'm surprised your not shouting and stomping your feet for no one talking in 'legal tender Scottish currency' :rolleyes:

pinchez
Jul 4, 2012, 07:00 AM
I have a the new iPad and absolutely love it, one of the best things I've ever bought :cool:

I also used to be an iPhone owner for the past 4 years but this year I switched to the Samsung Galaxy S3 simply because it was a better phone, bigger screen and I wanted the customization options that come with ICS.

IMO there is no need for a iPad Mini but there's every need for a bigger iPhone. Apple could have a 3.5" iPhone, 5" iPhone/Touch and maintain it's current iPad Range. Think this would keep everyone happy :)

knucklehead
Jul 4, 2012, 10:06 AM
Think this would keep everyone happy :)

Only if the larger iPhone was 7.xx" and ran iPad apps ... and came without a 2 year contract.:p

O.G.Q
Jul 4, 2012, 10:31 AM
Lol stop being a mug and spread crap. They aren't selling it at a loss. Currys here in the UK is selling it at £189 for the 16gb! that is £11 cheaper than the google play store.

They have a small profit margin....SMALL.

i havent seen it being sold for that price on the currys website ?

Bregalad
Jul 4, 2012, 02:03 PM
I have a the new iPad and absolutely love it, one of the best things I've ever bought :cool:

I also used to be an iPhone owner for the past 4 years but this year I switched to the Samsung Galaxy S3 simply because it was a better phone, bigger screen and I wanted the customization options that come with ICS.

IMO there is no need for a iPad Mini but there's every need for a bigger iPhone. Apple could have a 3.5" iPhone, 5" iPhone/Touch and maintain it's current iPad Range. Think this would keep everyone happy :)

I think the following would cover almost the entire market:

3.5" iPhone - for those who insist anything bigger is too big
4.5" iPhone - current iPhone LCD panels cut to 720p would be this size
7.85" iPad - for those who want a lighter iPad and more capable book reader
9.7" iPad

For my middle aged eyes the best device on the market is the Samsung Galaxy S II with 800x480 spanning 4.3", but I'm not a fan of Android.

Che Castro
Jul 4, 2012, 02:08 PM
Are these IGZO sharp screens the same as retina?

Im planning on selling my new ipad to get the mini is it does come out

Medic311
Jul 4, 2012, 02:21 PM
i would definitely consider selling my iPad 2 and getting the smaller iPad. the smaller iPad would actually fit into the accessory pocket in my Camelbak hydro bag

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Are these IGZO sharp screens the same as retina?

Im planning on selling my new ipad to get the mini is it does come out

same here, i'm planning on selling my iPad 2 to get the smaller iPad model

wolfpackfan
Jul 4, 2012, 02:27 PM
i would definitely consider selling my iPad 2 and getting the smaller iPad.

But haven't you heard, there will be no demand for such a device, so Apple won't make one (at least that is what the detractors are saying).

Bregalad
Jul 4, 2012, 02:32 PM
I'm sure they won't. I don't see Apple compete at $199 for the mini, but they will probably offer it at $299.

That would cover almost all bases in the tablet market:

iPad mini $299
iPad 2 $399
Retina iPad $499 and up

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In all seriouslness, I think an iPadphone would be pretty cool. With handsfree you could just have it in your bag and it wouldn't look so stupid when you walk around and talk.

And there is what I consider the fundamental problem: having to carry a bag. A device that I need to have with me all the time simply must fit into a pocket or belt clip.

If it's small enough to fit into a jacket pocket then it's probably too small to be an iPad. Then you've just got a really big phone. I wouldn't mind that, but big phones attract a lot of ridicule from others.

I don't understand the fixation with small phones that don't sit anywhere near your mouth. It makes people shout at their phones when a more traditional design would allow them to speak softly. The worst has to be the people with Bluetooth earpieces that walk down the street speaking loudly at everybody and nobody at the same time.

AngerDanger
Jul 4, 2012, 11:35 PM
Dear Apple
Please stop stealing our ideas.
Love Google.

Dear Google
You first.

http://www.designer-daily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/iphone-before-after.jpg

—Apple

Fatboy71
Jul 5, 2012, 02:22 AM
Handy size for some, but not for me, I prefer the 9.7 inch screen.

I like my tablet to have a considerable larger screen than my smartphone.

ChazUK
Jul 5, 2012, 02:44 AM
Dear Google
You first.

Image (http://www.designer-daily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/iphone-before-after.jpg)

—Apple
Still after the iPhone:
http://www.htc.com/managed-assets/www/smartphones/htc-chacha/marquee/handphone.png

Renzatic
Jul 5, 2012, 02:50 AM
Dear Google
You first.

—Apple

Dear Apple

Quit being so smug.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3018396/LG_Prada.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3018396/LG_Prada_2.jpg

-LG

(info, cuz I know you're gonna ask)

LG Prada: Announced December 12, 2006, released January 18, 2007
Apple iPhone: Announced January 9, 2007, released June 29, 2007

So the iPhone is completely unique? The first touchscreen driven smartphone to ever exist, and every phone that came out afterwards is a complete ripoff of it? Nope. Like I said before, all smartphones were heading in the general direction of the iPhone. It was one of the first, but not THE first.

ChazUK
Jul 5, 2012, 03:09 AM
Dear Apple

Quit being so smug.


I was going to say, if stupid pictures are the thing of the day....

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/991312/stupidpoint1.png - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/991312/stupidpoint2.png

(Names of pictures aptly named: stupidpoint1 and stupidpoint2)

Renzatic
Jul 5, 2012, 03:14 AM
Excellent stupid point, man! :D

If only this were enough to get everyone to shut up about the whole who copied who thing. It's completely pointless, and incredibly ignorant. Everyone copies everyone in the tech industry. And if they're not copying, they're coming up with about the same thing at about the same time. Arguing who did what first is a waste of time for everyone involved.

...but it'll eventually come back around. Sooner or later (likely sooner, like tomorrow sometime). So I'm saving your stupid points for when it happens again. :P

jessicajes
Jul 5, 2012, 04:45 AM
The California based computer and mobile equipment manufacturer, Apple is working on a smaller version of the popular iPad tablet. The display size of this smaller tablet apparently will be similar to all the other tablets in the market and will feature a 7-8 inch display. It has been reported that Apple Inc. plans to debut a smaller, cheaper iPad by year-end. They are trying to maintain dominance of the tablet market as Google and Microsoft prepare competing handheld devices. The resolution of the smaller iPad will not differ because of the smaller size and will be similar to the one featured on the older iPad 2 with a 1024 x 768 pixel resolution.

for more information: http://gm.kochar.com/post/apple-working-on-ipad-mini-report.aspx :apple:

nishishei
Jul 5, 2012, 05:27 PM
What I'm most interested in is the amount of bezel. If Apple can really reduce the size of bezel on this tablet, it'll look much more attractive sitting next to 7" Android tablets and given iPad's strong app ecosystem, it'll be an easy purchase for many as a Christmas gift.

Typical form over function. Bezels are actually quite useful on a tablet with capacitative touch.

twoodcc
Jul 5, 2012, 05:39 PM
this just doesn't seem like apple. i would like to see this happen, but i doubt it will

boomboom2
Jul 5, 2012, 05:42 PM
I don't see this happening. Steve hated 7" tablets and Apple doesn't cater to marker demand. The market caters to Apple.

knucklehead
Jul 5, 2012, 07:09 PM
Typical form over function. Bezels are actually quite useful on a tablet with capacitative touch.

It's not at all that simple. And it's not just about looking cool or whatever...

The overall width of a 7.85 iPad is a critical issue in how it will be used. The 7.85 screen itself is fight about the size where it can easily be held in the palm of most adult hands. The wider bezels you put on the sides, the more you start reduce it's "degree of palmability" for adults. It also reduces it's "degree of pocket ability". The 7.85 screen size is right at the size where it can still be slid into a fair amount of what would be considered standard size pockets. The wider you make it with side bezels, the less common the pocket size it will slip into.

All this is at odds with how kids would use it, which would be holding it by the edges, which is where the wide bezel would come in handy.

So there's a bit of a dilemma here -- Will the iPad Mini be made as a productivity device for adults on the move, or a wider device device geared to the lowest common denominator? (now the I typed it out that way, I'm afraid I might know the answer...)

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I don't see this happening. Steve hated 7" tablets and Apple doesn't cater to marker demand. The market caters to Apple.

What makes you so sure he hated them?
He obviously knew he was throwing out a load of BS with the "sandpaper for fingertips" antislogan.

fertilized-egg
Jul 5, 2012, 08:10 PM
Typical form over function. Bezels are actually quite useful on a tablet with capacitative touch.

Thinner bezel actually serves a rather useful purpose. A 7.85" tablet with iPad's proportion is much wider than 7" Android tablets. My guess is that Apple will try to cram as much display surface with thin bezel left and right.

I've been using RIM PlayBook, a 7" tablet, for a while and the bezel is much too wide on this thing. I don't think a 7" tablet needs that much bezel because they are much lighter and easier to hold than a 10" tablet.


So the iPhone is completely unique? The first touchscreen driven smartphone to ever exist, and every phone that came out afterwards is a complete ripoff of it? Nope. Like I said before, all smartphones were heading in the general direction of the iPhone. It was one of the first, but not THE first.

I've tried a number of touch feature phones starting with the LG Prada followed by Samsung AMOLED Haptic, LG New Chocolate, etc, and their all touch interface was atrocious.

They were terrible devices that often felt more like using older touch screen PDAs in many ways. The iPhone really was unique in its UI.


I was going to say, if stupid pictures are the thing of the day....


Something tells me that first phone in that picture was a 100% Motorola device. Not to mention Prada and iPhone came out at about the same time.

Kwill
Jul 5, 2012, 08:16 PM
This rumor is persistent but I think SJ said it best.

In his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxoAF0Jvhqc

I think the correct link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI

Some points may be debatable.

ixodes
Jul 5, 2012, 08:24 PM
This topic seems split between the open minded, and Steve's disciples.

Only in the Garden of Apple does one man have so much power over others. It's amazing to witness. I wonder how many years will pass before the hero worship fades.

P0stalTek
Jul 5, 2012, 08:25 PM
I hope it happens. I want a second iPad (my daughter has taken over the first) and a smaller one would fit me a little better. If they keep it to $250 or so then I'm in for one.

Maybe Apple is going to aim for the Nook/Kindle buyer?

This was my thought. Since I got my new Mac, my wife has posted up on the iPad for the last 6 months. I mentioned that I would get the iPad Mini if it turns out to be true and it is reasonably priced.

But now she is plotting on that toy too :(

knucklehead
Jul 5, 2012, 08:26 PM
I think the correct link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI

Some points may be debatable.

For folks that might not want to sort through it themselves -- Start at 3:45 - 3:50

Edit: Additional Hint -- focus on 3:46 - 3:47

Edit 2: Steve's escape clause blessing is upon you!

kdarling
Jul 5, 2012, 09:01 PM
Something tells me that first phone in that picture was a 100% Motorola device.

??? That's the ROKR, the phone that Apple worked on with Motorola to be iTunes compatible.

Among other problems, Apple crippled it by requiring a 100 song limit (!) so it could not compete with the iPod.

Here's a YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWSRgsk2oaw) of an obviously unexcited Steve Jobs introducing "the iTunes phone" as the "one more thing" in September 2005.

fertilized-egg
Jul 5, 2012, 09:33 PM
??? That's the ROKR, the phone that Apple worked on with Motorola to be iTunes compatible.


Exactly. It was a phone that was given "iTunes compatibility". Apple had nothing to do with it otherwise. By writing "Apple's phone effort", the image implies that Apple actually had something to do with the phone's hardware and software whereas there was nothing Apple-y about it other than being iTunes compatible.

kdarling
Jul 5, 2012, 10:13 PM
Exactly. It was a phone that was given "iTunes compatibility". Apple had nothing to do with it otherwise.

Oh sure, of course they would say that after it flopped ;)

At its intro, Apple wrote this press release (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/09/07Apple-Motorola-Cingular-Launch-Worlds-First-Mobile-Phone-with-iTunes.html), including the statement:

“We’ve worked closely with Motorola to deliver the world’s best music experience on a mobile phone,” said Steve Jobs.

By writing "Apple's phone effort", the image implies that Apple actually had something to do with the phone's hardware and software whereas there was nothing Apple-y about it other than being iTunes compatible.

As you probably noticed, ChazUK was mocking all the other "stupid pictures" that get posted here all the time, with supposed before and after correlations :)

URFloorMatt
Jul 5, 2012, 10:54 PM
I wonder if this will signal the death knell for the iPod line. I could see them finally (officially) killing the iPod shuffle and the iPod classic and rebranding the nano and the touch under the iPad moniker. That would leave:

iPad nano
iPad touch
iPad mini
iPad

and iPhone

I think this is supported especially if the touch is going to get the same screen-size bump the iPhone is.

Also worth considering that when the iTV is finally out there, either iTunes or iPod is likely going to get dropped from the navigation on Apple.com. And even if the future of iTunes on Mac is to be disassembled into its constituent parts so that it actually is easy to use and navigate, on PCs its always going to remain the singular iTunes hub, which means that's probably not getting dropped.

iPod makes up no sales now, and investors don't care what happens to it. Suddenly creating new iPad products that boost the bottom line in the highly competitive tablet market, however, would surely please investors.

ChazUK
Jul 5, 2012, 11:58 PM
As you probably noticed, ChazUK was mocking all the other "stupid pictures" that get posted here all the time, with supposed before and after correlations :)

Someone gets it!

This is one of my favourites:

http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tablets-before-and-after-ipad.jpg

Leaves out so many other iPad like tablets (and seems to heavily feature ruggedised tablets) to get an agenda driven point across. Why not include tablets like the TC1100 which has a uniform design in these comparisons?

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7095/6903383192_fb2d580ed2_z.jpg

:D

writeronfire
Jul 6, 2012, 09:37 AM
I used to work in logistics, and part of the company shipped out electrical goods. We always dealt with the latest tech and, after the iPad had been out for a while, I thought Samsung's efforts were good. I think this mini ipad will sell well if it's cheaper than it's daddy version.

fertilized-egg
Jul 6, 2012, 12:38 PM
Oh sure, of course they would say that after it flopped ;)
...
“We’ve worked closely with Motorola to deliver the world’s best music experience on a mobile phone,” said Steve Jobs.

And that's the iTunes compatibility. It didn't even look like the contemporary iPod.


As you probably noticed, ChazUK was mocking all the other "stupid pictures" that get posted here all the time, with supposed before and after correlations :)

Which I understand except the image posted by ChazUK is even more "stupid". The evidence presented by that image wasn't even an Apple design.

And does anyone think there's actually no correlations between Apple products' success and immediate followers? Apple might or might not be the first one to bring out the basic form factor of iPhone or iPad but it's such an obvious thing that everyone else is copying Apple's success. I don't know why that's even debatable. Yes, I know people hate the smugness of Apple supporters and that Apple isn't the only creative company in the world, but they deserve the full credit for going full in with design decisions first.




Leaves out so many other iPad like tablets (and seems to heavily feature ruggedised tablets) to get an agenda driven point across. Why not include tablets like the TC1100 which has a uniform design in these comparisons?
:D

Simple. Nobody copied TC1100 when it was around because it wasn't particularly successful. The current tablets look much more like iPad, not TC110. The same thing can be said for Sony Vaio Z. It had some elements of current Ultrabooks but current Ultrabooks are so obviously heavily influenced by MBA not Vaio Z.

knucklehead
Jul 6, 2012, 02:47 PM
I think the correct link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI

Some points may be debatable.

Seing as so many use this as "proof" that Steve would never allow the 7.85 iPad to be released, could one of those folks give me an example of what he's saying here actually applying to the 7.85 iPad?
All I hear is him bashing the competitors smaller 7" tablets using a salesman's sometimes creative approach to the truth.
The only argument that really seems to apply to the 7.85 is calling it a tweener ... which is precisely why many folk's want it -- you trade a bit of extra squint and pinch and zoom for extra portability (and lower cost) .

MIDI_EVIL
Jul 7, 2012, 05:23 AM
Lol the user is clumsy not the device..

Millions sold and yet I have never heard it being "clumsy"

Hey iapplelove, read it again. I said in my humble opinion. I'm entitled to believe that it's clumsy whether the rest of the world agrees.

Of course you aren't going to see my point being the owner of 2 iPads... :rolleyes:

mcman77
Jul 11, 2012, 02:38 PM
i havent seen it being sold for that price on the currys website ?

There was a voucher going round...its finished now

Well actually the 13s (previous generation) outsold both the 15s and the MacBook Air by a huge margin, despite arguably combining the worst parts of each rather than the best.

I think though, that if there is a smaller iPad, it will broaden the category, rather than cannibalize it. I don't think Apple will match the competition on price, but go for about $50 higher, in order to make it a more desirable, premium product, even in the lower end of the market.

That still sounds attractive to me. I hope they go for it but doubt they will.
IF they do, it will be low res. or something silly will be missing, the first gens always are.

Thats with a thirdparty hack with an app called Ultimate rotation. I have not used it so I am not sure how to effects the device as a whole. Google wants you to use it mostly in protrait view. Funny how people say Android is so open and flexible comparied to iOS.


Thats because it is 'open'...as open as you get today anyway. If you want to change it, change it....iOS if you want to change it, then...just want to cause you won't be able to!