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Jul 11, 2012, 11:56 AM
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Amazon today announced (http://www.amazonappstoredev.com/2012/07/announcing-amazon-gamecircle-a-new-gaming-experience-for-kindle-fire.html) the launch of its new "GameCircle" feature for the Kindle Fire tablet, a set of tools similar to Apple's Game Center that will allow users to chart achievements, compete with others via leaderboards, and sync game progress across devices via the cloud.GameCircle will make achievements, leaderboards and sync APIs accessible, simple and quick for you to integrate, and will give gamers a more seamless and entertaining in-game experience.
http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/amazon_gamecircle.jpg


Amazon's GameCircle appears to lack the social aspects in Game Center such as specifying groups of friends and initiating head-to-head gameplay, but its core features are otherwise very similar to what is offered in Game Center while folding in cross-device syncing that some iOS developers have embraced via iCloud.

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Meanwhile, MarketWatch provides a bit more color (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amazon-working-on-smartphone-with-asia-firms-2012-07-10) on Amazon's rumored smartphone project (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/06/amazon-planning-to-take-on-apple-in-smartphone-market/), noting that the company is currently testing prototypes with displays in the range of four to five inches.Officials at some of Amazon's parts suppliers, who declined to be named, said the Seattle-based company is testing a smartphone and mass production of the new device may start late this year or early next year. [...]

One person said that the screen of Amazon's smartphone currently being tested measures between four and five inches.As screen sizes on Android phones have increased to beyond four inches, Apple is also said to be planning a boost for the iPhone's screen that has measured 3.5 inches diagonally since the device's launch in 2007. The next-generation iPhone is said to include a screen of approximately 4 inches, with rumors suggesting that Apple will increase the height of the screen while maintain the current width.

Article Link: Amazon Launches Game Center Competitor for Kindle Fire, Testing 4-5 Inch Smartphone Displays (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/11/amazon-launches-game-center-competitor-for-kindle-fire-testing-4-5-inch-smartphone-displays/)



miniroll32
Jul 11, 2012, 11:57 AM
Hmm... to be in a circle, or not to be...

Too late - Apple have filed a patent dispute already!

sbrhwkp3
Jul 11, 2012, 11:58 AM
Laughable. Bring it on. I've played with a Kindle Fire before. It's terrible.

tigres
Jul 11, 2012, 12:00 PM
Why does Amazon what to be in the phone business?
I just find this curious.

bushido
Jul 11, 2012, 12:00 PM
i wish GameCenter would store game scores in the cloud, so annoying to use a backup if u only want your game scores back

btw i dont think ive opened GameCenter since iOS 4.0 ^^

Jonathansm
Jul 11, 2012, 12:02 PM
I think amazon just needs to stay at what there are best at being a retailer. Next thing we know eBay will release a OS.

3N16MA
Jul 11, 2012, 12:09 PM
CircleJerk.

alent1234
Jul 11, 2012, 12:10 PM
Why does Amazon what to be in the phone business?
I just find this curious.


they are in the digital media business. music and other media is going digital. if amazon doesn't adapt to keep on being able to sell digital media they lose revenue

Z400Racer37
Jul 11, 2012, 12:14 PM
I want downvoting back.

guess well just have to quote the things we don't like and just write down vote until we get out button back?? wth did they get rid of that for??:mad: we gotta make it so messy they bring it back... REBEL!!!

Dagless
Jul 11, 2012, 12:15 PM
The tone here is humorous.

Where do you think GameCenter comes from? Have a look at Steam, Xbox Live, PSN.

emceeay
Jul 11, 2012, 12:17 PM
Why does Amazon what to be in the phone business?
I just find this curious.

All for the money involved.

a.gomez
Jul 11, 2012, 12:17 PM
great... now people can show off how much time they have wasted playing some idiotic videogame on either an iOS Toy tablet and now an Android Toy tablet.

the competition for Mickey Mouse OS feature of the year is heating up :rolleyes:

hirshnoc
Jul 11, 2012, 12:17 PM
That's an extremely ugly interface, like not one I would think would be out even in the mid 90s as a Windows app. I'm wondering if it's Amazon's attempt to avoid a lawsuit by making it look as different as possible.

Hastings101
Jul 11, 2012, 12:18 PM
Awesome. Bring it on. I've played with a Kindle Fire before and it was great.

Fresh Pie
Jul 11, 2012, 12:20 PM
I wonder if they considered other names besides Game Cent—Circle, like GameMiddle or GameCentral but then realized that they sounded too much like Game Center. :rolleyes:

Blomkvist
Jul 11, 2012, 12:21 PM
The tone here is humorous.

Where do you think GameCenter comes from? Have a look at Steam, Xbox Live, PSN.

My thoughts exactly...Apple applied an already established service to their own platform.

Back to the story: I have no problem with Amazon getting into the phone space. I'm not an Android user, I don't think I ever will be. But competition is good for the marketplace...and Apple/Google/MS/others need competition to fuel innovation. Bring it.

Icaras
Jul 11, 2012, 12:21 PM
The tone here is humorous.

Where do you think GameCenter comes from? Have a look at Steam, Xbox Live, PSN.

Yes, but at least Apple didn't name it iOS Live or iOS Network.

rmwebs
Jul 11, 2012, 12:36 PM
Yes, but at least Apple didn't name it iOS Live or iOS Network.

Whats your point? Amazon didnt either...

davidgnomo
Jul 11, 2012, 12:36 PM
they are in the digital media business. music and other media is going digital. if amazon doesn't adapt to keep on being able to sell digital media they lose revenue

Plus it's good to have as much challengers as possible on the market, just to let people know that there's more choice and competition (which is always good for the customer)

alent1234
Jul 11, 2012, 12:39 PM
i'm cutting cable next month and amazon has MUCH LOWER PRICES than itunes for digital media. it was beyond awesome when amazon came to the x-box. i'll still buy an apple TV next month, but only for my wife

rei101
Jul 11, 2012, 12:44 PM
In a few years from now there are going to be studies on how technology created zombies out of people and they are going to show that promotional videos. Just turn down the volume and all you will see are zombies.

Small White Car
Jul 11, 2012, 12:47 PM
Why does Amazon what to be in the phone business?
I just find this curious.

The future will be ecosystems owned top to bottom.

Android phones, Apple phones, and Microsoft phones will serve up media in their own stores. Few will take the time to seek out an Android app and those that do will be constrained by the rules the phone-maker puts on them. (Look at how you can't buy books within Amazon's iOS app.)

Amazon will find they have fewer and fewer customers over time unless they build their own phones.

In the future a company will either own a complete phone ecosystem or they will just own an app that does a specific thing. There is no in-between...no content provider that serves up all types of media but is not in control of everything.

Amazon wants to be an all-content provider, not just an app like, say, Netflix or the NY Times. They want more than that and the only way to get more is to make your own phone.

(This is also why you should bet money on a Facebook phone sometime soon.)

kurosov
Jul 11, 2012, 12:53 PM
Did they really need to waste time creating a video aimed at developers to tell them wha amazing "features" there are in their service that is identical to virtually every other platforms.

I'm sure game developers already have experience in offing achievements and leader boards from the myriad of other platforms services already.


i wish GameCenter would store game scores in the cloud, so annoying to use a backup if u only want your game scores back

btw i dont think ive opened GameCenter since iOS 4.0 ^^

This is already available with iCloud. For some reason developers either haven't implemented it or do so in a convoluted way. I'd actually like to see it made a requirement for submitting games to the app store just to get the ball rolling.

clukas
Jul 11, 2012, 12:56 PM
this actually sounds pretty cool, I hate that when I restore my iPhone (without a backup) all my games go back to their starting position. Its discouraging and unnecessary. A perfect thing iCloud could fix ;).

daveL
Jul 11, 2012, 01:01 PM
Game scores and competitions considered "achievements"!? And people wonder why the world is in the state it's in.

Blakjack
Jul 11, 2012, 01:19 PM
Where's down voting? I want a legitimate excuse for getting rid of down voting.

bushido
Jul 11, 2012, 01:28 PM
This is already available with iCloud. For some reason developers either haven't implemented it or do so in a convoluted way. I'd actually like to see it made a requirement for submitting games to the app store just to get the ball rolling.

isnt that OpenFeint though? dont think GameCenter is capable of this

scrapple
Jul 11, 2012, 01:29 PM
slow news day?
how is this a MAC Rumor?

AZREOSpecialist
Jul 11, 2012, 01:30 PM
Remember when Amazon just sold stuff online, Google just handled search, Apple and Microsoft handled hardware and OS, and nobody really got into anyone's business (except, of course, MS and Apple)?

Why does everyone and their grandmother feel the need to make a tablet and smartphone? I mean, just making the damn thing doesn't mean it will sell - take a look at those poor Android tablets and how sales of Kindle Fire dropped off a cliff after the initial buzz wore off. It seems like Google, Amazon and Samsung are throwing darts all over the place, hoping something sticks. I'm glad these corporations have so much money to throw around on experiments that will eventually fail.

Isn't it funny how there would be no Kindle Fire or Android if there was no iOS, iPhone and iPad to precede those products? Google and Amazon would never have had the creativity and balls to do what Apple did, yet now they think they can compete simply by making a product that looks and acts similar, but without anything compelling about the rest of their ecosystems?

MacinDoc
Jul 11, 2012, 01:37 PM
Remember when Amazon just sold stuff online, Google just handled search, Apple and Microsoft handled hardware and OS, and nobody really got into anyone's business (except, of course, MS and Apple)?

Why does everyone and their grandmother feel the need to make a tablet and smartphone? I mean, just making the damn thing doesn't mean it will sell - take a look at those poor Android tablets and how sales of Kindle Fire dropped off a cliff after the initial buzz wore off. It seems like Google, Amazon and Samsung are throwing darts all over the place, hoping something sticks. I'm glad these corporations have so much money to throw around on experiments that will eventually fail.

Isn't it funny how there would be no Kindle Fire or Android if there was no iOS, iPhone and iPad to precede those products? Google and Amazon would never have had the creativity and balls to do what Apple did, yet now they think they can compete simply by making a product that looks and acts similar, but without anything compelling about the rest of their ecosystems?
All you have to do is look at Apple's financial statements over the past four years to know why everyone and their dog wants to get into the smartphone and tablet market, and why such devices are so similar to Apple's. Apple has found the goose that lays the golden eggs, and everyone else wants their own golden egg-layer.

KdParker
Jul 11, 2012, 01:38 PM
guess well just have to quote the things we don't like and just write down vote until we get out button back?? wth did they get rid of that for??:mad: we gotta make it so messy they bring it back... REBEL!!!

+1 (old school)

alent1234
Jul 11, 2012, 01:43 PM
Remember when Amazon just sold stuff online, Google just handled search, Apple and Microsoft handled hardware and OS, and nobody really got into anyone's business (except, of course, MS and Apple)?

Why does everyone and their grandmother feel the need to make a tablet and smartphone? I mean, just making the damn thing doesn't mean it will sell - take a look at those poor Android tablets and how sales of Kindle Fire dropped off a cliff after the initial buzz wore off. It seems like Google, Amazon and Samsung are throwing darts all over the place, hoping something sticks. I'm glad these corporations have so much money to throw around on experiments that will eventually fail.

Isn't it funny how there would be no Kindle Fire or Android if there was no iOS, iPhone and iPad to precede those products? Google and Amazon would never have had the creativity and balls to do what Apple did, yet now they think they can compete simply by making a product that looks and acts similar, but without anything compelling about the rest of their ecosystems?

amazon is a cloud company. most of the internet runs from amazon. if you're going to control the backend might as well control the device as well.

chances are most iOS apps that need da cloud use amazon for their cloud service

iMacFarlane
Jul 11, 2012, 01:44 PM
(This is also why you should bet money on a Facebook phone sometime soon.)

Unfortunate but inevitable I fear. What will they call it, PhoneBook?

LethalWolfe
Jul 11, 2012, 01:52 PM
Isn't it funny how there would be no Kindle Fire or Android if there was no iOS, iPhone and iPad to precede those products?
Yet Jobs, during the original iPad keynote, said they are standing on the shoulders of Amazon's Kindle. It's almost as if companies made products before Apple... interesting. I wonder where reading on the iPad and iBooks would be if Amazon had not apparently convinced Jobs that, yes, people still like to read.

Jessica Lares
Jul 11, 2012, 01:53 PM
Looking good. Glad there's no social involved.

EvilEvil
Jul 11, 2012, 01:56 PM
At least the UI looks 100x better than the grandma casino UI of Gamecenter.

Small White Car
Jul 11, 2012, 02:01 PM
Looking good. Glad there's no social involved.

What?

Isn't the entire point of putting scores and achievements online so that it's "social?"

If it wasn't then why not just keep it all inside the game? There's no reason to build a system that puts it all online if no one else is going to see it.

Glideslope
Jul 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
Wow, really getting desperate out there. Give it 3 months. ;)

ArcaneDevice
Jul 11, 2012, 02:09 PM
The tone here is humorous.

Where do you think GameCenter comes from? Have a look at Steam, Xbox Live, PSN.

GameCenter comes from Xbox Live. As do PSN and Steam.

Tying together games with social competition and additional rewards is one of the few things Microsoft has done that's been legitimately inspired. I'm surprised they didn't patent it. Apple would have.

hickabob
Jul 11, 2012, 02:14 PM
Games are a joke on the Fire because of the cheap touch screen. Slow and not intuitive.

ArcaneDevice
Jul 11, 2012, 02:17 PM
Remember when Amazon just sold stuff online, Google just handled search, Apple and Microsoft handled hardware and OS, and nobody really got into anyone's business (except, of course, MS and Apple)?

Why does everyone and their grandmother feel the need to make a tablet and smartphone?

You mean back when Apple made computers? Before it decided that it wanted a piece of the MP3 player pie? The music retailer pie? The cell phone pie? The social networking pie?

Apple have thrown darts around and stuck it's fingers in just as many pies as any other company and not all of them have been successful either. And you can Ping me on that as I'm watching my Apple Performa television and waiting for Apple to print my novel.

Dagless
Jul 11, 2012, 02:22 PM
GameCenter comes from Xbox Live. As do PSN and Steam.

Tying together games with social competition and additional rewards is one of the few things Microsoft has done that's been legitimately inspired. I'm surprised they didn't patent it. Apple would have.

Yup, centralising achievements and making the whole thing social was one of the best thing MS did for games.

Sensation
Jul 11, 2012, 02:31 PM
Why does Amazon what to be in the phone business?
I just find this curious.

I imagine same reason Google, HTC, Samsung, Apple, Microsoft want to be in the phone industry. TO MAKE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

Jaden10
Jul 11, 2012, 02:36 PM
i wish GameCenter would store game scores in the cloud, so annoying to use a backup if u only want your game scores back

btw i dont think ive opened GameCenter since iOS 4.0 ^^

It can. I use it in my game iStackUp (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/istackup/id493890236?mt=8) to sync the high score between multiple devices or restore it if the game is deleted and redownloaded.

Also, if a developer wanted to sync an entire high score table, they could use iCloud. It really isn't up to Apple to implement this into GameCenter because it is already possible, and any solution would require effort on part of the developers to support it.

drewyboy
Jul 11, 2012, 02:45 PM
The only problem I have is the name. Amazon is a repeat offender. They want/use App Store. No body but Apple used that and everyone stayed away from that name. Now you've got them using GameCircle. You can't tell me it's deceivingly close to GameCenter. Every other competitor has a distinctive name to their similar services, yet Amazon chooses to use ones (exactly or very very close) to what apple is using. That is my problem.

AustinIllini
Jul 11, 2012, 02:47 PM
I imagine same reason Google, HTC, Samsung, Apple, Microsoft want to be in the phone industry. TO MAKE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Amazon should work with the new Firefox OS or dig up the old WebOS or what good is left of it.

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Unfortunate but inevitable I fear. What will they call it, PhoneBook?

If they don't call it the Facebook Phone, I bet it goes the way of the Kin. If it's "meant for social networking", then say it in the name.

ArcaneDevice
Jul 11, 2012, 02:54 PM
The only problem I have is the name. Amazon is a repeat offender. They want/use App Store. No body but Apple used that and everyone stayed away from that name. Now you've got them using GameCircle. You can't tell me it's deceivingly close to GameCenter. Every other competitor has a distinctive name to their similar services, yet Amazon chooses to use ones (exactly or very very close) to what apple is using. That is my problem.

If anything Amazon are copying Samsung.

Samsung has GameHub, Amazon has GameCircle.

Apple didn't exactly break out the creativity with the GameCenter name. Even WalMart uses it. Not to mention the NHL has used the name for a long, long time.

koolmagicguy
Jul 11, 2012, 02:55 PM
CircleJerk.

No thank you.

Sensation
Jul 11, 2012, 02:59 PM
I think Amazon should work with the new Firefox OS or dig up the old WebOS or what good is left of it.

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If they don't call it the Facebook Phone, I bet it goes the way of the Kin. If it's "meant for social networking", then say it in the name.

Its better than use Android as there are more developers and applications for it.

TheMarc
Jul 11, 2012, 03:01 PM
Where's down voting? I want a legitimate excuse for getting rid of down voting.

I don't know the excuse or reason for it, but I can tell you the advantage: I can say you all stink, Apple products are overpriced copies of others' ideas (well-made, albeit), and that Steve Jobs was SO overrated as a tech-guru or genius or as an innovator, and my ego won't be affected by those downvotes...
:)

trunten
Jul 11, 2012, 03:02 PM
I don't know the excuse or reason for it, but I can tell you the advantage: I can say you all stink, Apple products are overpriced copies of others' ideas (well-made, albeit), and that Steve Jobs was SO overrated as a tech-guru or genius or as an innovator, and my ego won't be affected by those downvotes...
:)

-100 :p

McCaffers
Jul 11, 2012, 03:04 PM
I've got to agree with previous posts. Apple need to allow developers to store game scores in the icloud. Its laborious to implement your own set-up and preserve if the user deletes the app, especially with UDID going out the window.

drewyboy
Jul 11, 2012, 03:07 PM
If anything Amazon are copying Samsung.

Samsung has GameHub, Amazon has GameCircle.

Apple didn't exactly break out the creativity with the GameCenter name. Even WalMart uses it. Not to mention the NHL has used the name for a long, long time.

I know apple didn't do anything original, but the naming for NHL and Walmart are for different services. What Amazon is offering is the exact same service as apple's game center... that's the issue.

tigres
Jul 11, 2012, 03:07 PM
The future will be ecosystems owned top to bottom.

Android phones, Apple phones, and Microsoft phones will serve up media in their own stores. Few will take the time to seek out an Android app and those that do will be constrained by the rules the phone-maker puts on them. (Look at how you can't buy books within Amazon's iOS app.)

Amazon will find they have fewer and fewer customers over time unless they build their own phones.

In the future a company will either own a complete phone ecosystem or they will just own an app that does a specific thing. There is no in-between...no content provider that serves up all types of media but is not in control of everything.

Amazon wants to be an all-content provider, not just an app like, say, Netflix or the NY Times. They want more than that and the only way to get more is to make your own phone.

(This is also why you should bet money on a Facebook phone sometime soon.)

Well put, and this in turn does indeed clear my curiosity.

thx whitecar

mjtomlin
Jul 11, 2012, 03:14 PM
The tone here is humorous.

Where do you think GameCenter comes from? Have a look at Steam, Xbox Live, PSN.

Gaming networks have been around a long time, even before the Internet became popular. Be it local clubs/groups, mailing lists, bulletin boards, chat rooms, etc... It's natural to want to share and compete when playing games, that's one of the major "turn-ons" of it.

GameCenter doesn't come from Xbox Live or PSN, they ALL come from a social desire to compete with one another, to better ourselves at whatever it is.

The tone here is that it feels a little weird for Amazon to start getting into all of this. But more power to them and their users. Personally I don't understand why this was even posted on MacRumors?

Blakjack
Jul 11, 2012, 03:26 PM
I don't know the excuse or reason for it, but I can tell you the advantage: I can say you all stink, Apple products are overpriced copies of others' ideas (well-made, albeit), and that Steve Jobs was SO overrated as a tech-guru or genius or as an innovator, and my ego won't be affected by those downvotes...
:)

Hahahaha. I can just see the 200 down votes in my head right now.

kurosov
Jul 11, 2012, 03:28 PM
isnt that OpenFeint though? dont think GameCenter is capable of this

i said iCloud. Neither game centre or open feint.

The ability to save game save data over iCloud for syncing is no different than pages saving a document via iCloud.

Few game devs have bothered to implement it and in the case of gameloft they used their own system based on the crappy gameloft live service instead.

There is no need for apple to add the feature to game centre when it would be functionally identical to using iCloud. Games that also have a mac version could even tie into the iCloud save files too.



I've got to agree with previous posts. Apple need to allow developers to store game scores in the icloud. Its laborious to implement your own set-up and preserve if the user deletes the app, especially with UDID going out the window.

As i said, they do. The feature has been available since iCloud was launched. If you really wan't the feature then start pestering the developers of the games you play to actually add the feature and maybe they'll take notice.

faroZ06
Jul 11, 2012, 03:40 PM
They're launching a service that competes with Apple's second-biggest recent failure? Game Center is the most annoying thing I have ever experienced on iOS!

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Laughable. Bring it on. I've played with a Kindle Fire before. It's terrible.

I've played with Game Center before. It didn't take long for me to decide to kill it with parental controls.

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Where's down voting? I want a legitimate excuse for getting rid of down voting.

People spam the down-vote too much I guess. It's also annoying when I see a perfectly sensible comment that gets downvoted to the max because people misread it or because fanboys just get mad about Apple criticism.

nia820
Jul 11, 2012, 03:45 PM
I think amazon just needs to stay at what there are best at being a retailer. Next thing we know eBay will release a OS.

People said the same thing when apple announced they were making a phone.

risc
Jul 11, 2012, 03:58 PM
Why does Amazon what to be in the phone business?
I just find this curious.

Remember when Apple just made computers and software. :P

Yvan256
Jul 11, 2012, 03:58 PM
We are still waiting, after over a year, for custom screen savers for the latest e-ink Kindle.

If that's the kind of support we can expect from Amazon, I'll pass on their other hardware, thank you very much.

Dagless
Jul 11, 2012, 04:00 PM
Gaming networks have been around a long time, even before the Internet became popular. Be it local clubs/groups, mailing lists, bulletin boards, chat rooms, etc... It's natural to want to share and compete when playing games, that's one of the major "turn-ons" of it.

GameCenter doesn't come from Xbox Live or PSN, they ALL come from a social desire to compete with one another, to better ourselves at whatever it is.

The tone here is that it feels a little weird for Amazon to start getting into all of this. But more power to them and their users. Personally I don't understand why this was even posted on MacRumors?

No no no.

Xbox live introduced us to Achievements in games. Sure some games had their own built-in award system (earliest I can recall was in 2002's Smash Bros Melee but there are doubtlessly others) but it wasn't unified until them. Everyone else followed MS after Xbox Live's system. Gamecenter has Achievements, the same pop-up notification system, a unified scoreboard system... but so has Steam and PSN.

They all share the purpose of fulfilling the desire to compete, to get public goals etc. But they're all built like Microsoft's system.

It's an automated system. That's what made it special and why others follow - and rightly so. You can't say this was around for years when it there was no automation, possibility of falsifying, no unified network to directly compete.

It's like comparing messaging pigeons to SMS text messages... that are sent out automatically. To everyone.

mjtomlin
Jul 11, 2012, 04:05 PM
They're launching a service that competes with Apple's second-biggest recent failure? Game Center is the most annoying thing I have ever experienced on iOS!

That it is annoying to you, is your opinion.

That it is a failure, you couldn't be more wrong. At WWDC they announced more than 130 million active users. Hardly a failure.

kdarling
Jul 11, 2012, 04:17 PM
I know apple didn't do anything original, but the naming for NHL and Walmart are for different services.

Right, "Game Center" is a name that's been around for at least a decade, and probably longer if I go dig back through some CIS, AOL or Genie references.

Amazon's "GameCircle" is at least a bit different.

What Amazon is offering is the exact same service as apple's game center... that's the issue.

Exact same service? Not yet, anyway.

Amazon's service isn't nearly as full featured as others, because it seems to lack social features such as non-global leaderboards.

Everything else is pretty common stuff.

Jessica Lares
Jul 11, 2012, 04:42 PM
What?

Isn't the entire point of putting scores and achievements online so that it's "social?"

If it wasn't then why not just keep it all inside the game? There's no reason to build a system that puts it all online if no one else is going to see it.

Well, I can tell you that I personally HATE Game Center and have it disabled on my iPhone. When Mountain Lion comes out, I'll enable it on there, but no way will I ever put it back on my iPhone or even an iPad (when I do get one).

And I'll tell you why... It's because the way Game Center is social is like Facebook's "People You May Know" feature, but even worse. When you get a top score, EVERYONE wants to be your friend. When I got into the top 5 in one of the games I had, I had like 50 friend requests from random teenagers and tweens. It was annoying and I had to turn my phone off to stop them from draining my battery.

There are too many games out there that tell you to make friends that are playing the same game as you in order to gain benefit. When you're playing a racing or fighting game, the two player option is awesome, and it's really cool that you can do that. However, Game Center doesn't work like that, and it's more about sending your friends annoying messages to make them beat your score, and not the same kind of 2-player action you can do on an Xbox 360 or Wii.

The achievements are pretty cool though, and that's what I use it for. :rolleyes:

Pakaku
Jul 11, 2012, 05:02 PM
I think amazon just needs to stay at what there are best at being a retailer. Next thing we know eBay will release a OS.

Oh just admit it: iOS is targeted mainly at consumers, not producers. It makes perfect sense for Amazon to have their own competing OS.

Icaras
Jul 11, 2012, 05:07 PM
Whats your point? Amazon didnt either...

Game Center...Game Circle? Are you getting the comparisons now?

faroZ06
Jul 11, 2012, 05:19 PM
That it is annoying to you, is your opinion.

That it is a failure, you couldn't be more wrong. At WWDC they announced more than 130 million active users. Hardly a failure.

Sure they have a lot of users because it nags you over and over to sign in. I signed in and never used it again.

slimbek
Jul 11, 2012, 06:25 PM
I'm sure I'll cop some hate -

...but its interfaces like this that make me thankful that Apple is at least making an effort to bring colour, shape and unique design to their Apps...

Sure, sometimes they take it a bit too far(!!) but just imagine if your Calendar, Notes, Mail, Safari, Music, Stores, GameCenter, NewsStand, Settings, Weather, Photos, Clock, Maps, Video apps all looked exactly the same.


/braces for fury

unlinked
Jul 11, 2012, 08:06 PM
guess well just have to quote the things we don't like and just write down vote until we get out button back?? wth did they get rid of that for??:mad: we gotta make it so messy they bring it back... REBEL!!!

I think my inability to find the post you are quoting indicates the likely response to rebellion.

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Remember when Amazon just sold stuff online, Google just handled search, Apple and Microsoft handled hardware and OS, and nobody really got into anyone's business (except, of course, MS and Apple)?

Why does everyone and their grandmother feel the need to make a tablet and smartphone? I mean, just making the damn thing doesn't mean it will sell - take a look at those poor Android tablets and how sales of Kindle Fire dropped off a cliff after the initial buzz wore off. It seems like Google, Amazon and Samsung are throwing darts all over the place, hoping something sticks. I'm glad these corporations have so much money to throw around on experiments that will eventually fail.

Isn't it funny how there would be no Kindle Fire or Android if there was no iOS, iPhone and iPad to precede those products? Google and Amazon would never have had the creativity and balls to do what Apple did, yet now they think they can compete simply by making a product that looks and acts similar, but without anything compelling about the rest of their ecosystems?


http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

anutharoundu
Jul 12, 2012, 01:03 AM
So apple wants to make a bigger version of the iphone screen and amazon wants to make a smaller version of the kindle. Interesting...
http://self-confdence-coach.com/images/54.gif

macsmurf
Jul 12, 2012, 01:23 AM
The tone here is that it feels a little weird for Amazon to start getting into all of this. But more power to them and their users. Personally I don't understand why this was even posted on MacRumors?

There is essentially one thread on macrumors. It's the one where a legion of uninformed Apple fans make hit-and-run post claiming that <insert company here> suck and are just copying Apple. Then they disappear and more reasonable posters take over (except for a few fanatics). Then the thread slowly dies down.

Anything anybody do that can be construed as having an iOS counterpart gets posted to MacRumors as a result. The beast needs to be fed.

JarScott
Jul 12, 2012, 03:33 AM
I went into a phone shop yesterday to have a look at a working Galaxy S3 model. I was impressed with the size of the screen and its satisfying quality, but it's a shame Samsung persistently make their phones out of cheap plastic. You could see the joins and it was practically falling apart. I'm really hoping the next iPhone has AT LEAST a 4 inch screen. Apple are falling behind in the screen department.



Haha, this comment is in no way relevant to the current thread other than its minor reference to screen sizes. :D

rmwebs
Jul 12, 2012, 03:50 AM
Game Center...Game Circle? Are you getting the comparisons now?

How pathetic can people get? What should they have called it then? Amazon Circle?

Game = Games - you know the thing its intended for
Circle = Group - as in a group of people

GameCircle = an app to share your game scores with your group of friends.

Grow the heck up, we could just as easily say that GameCenter was a rip off of GameSpy, or is a rip off of the GameStation shops...it's a really pointless argument to make.

If they had called it something like 'GamingCenter' or 'GameCentral' then yes, I could see your point, but its nothing like it.

juannacho
Jul 12, 2012, 04:10 AM
It's like comparing messaging pigeons to SMS text messages... that are sent out automatically. To everyone.

That would require a phenomenal amount of pigeons. The cost in seeds & grain alone would be crippling.

PMS.

Haha.

Icaras
Jul 12, 2012, 04:34 AM
How pathetic can people get? What should they have called it then? Amazon Circle?

Game = Games - you know the thing its intended for
Circle = Group - as in a group of people

GameCircle = an app to share your game scores with your group of friends.

Grow the heck up, we could just as easily say that GameCenter was a rip off of GameSpy, or is a rip off of the GameStation shops...it's a really pointless argument to make.

If they had called it something like 'GamingCenter' or 'GameCentral' then yes, I could see your point, but its nothing like it.

Big LOL. Pathetic? Look who's getting worked up over a simple naming convention. ;)

Just wanted to point out the comparisons. Take it as you will, but no need for hostilties.

Bezetos
Jul 12, 2012, 05:04 AM
The tone here is humorous.

Where do you think GameCenter comes from? Have a look at Steam, Xbox Live, PSN.
Apple fans thinking that Apple/Steve Jobs pioneered/invented something?

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/7722455/480/lulz/impossibru.png?v0

GameCenter is basically Apple's version of OpenFeint/Gameloft Live. Seriously, nobody remembers OpenFeint? Apple basically saw that it's a good idea and [patented it] did it themselves.

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Remember when Amazon just sold stuff online, Google just handled search, Apple and Microsoft handled hardware and OS, and nobody really got into anyone's business (except, of course, MS and Apple)?

Why does everyone and their grandmother feel the need to make a tablet and smartphone? I mean, just making the damn thing doesn't mean it will sell - take a look at those poor Android tablets and how sales of Kindle Fire dropped off a cliff after the initial buzz wore off. It seems like Google, Amazon and Samsung are throwing darts all over the place, hoping something sticks. I'm glad these corporations have so much money to throw around on experiments that will eventually fail.

Isn't it funny how there would be no Kindle Fire or Android if there was no iOS, iPhone and iPad to precede those products? Google and Amazon would never have had the creativity and balls to do what Apple did, yet now they think they can compete simply by making a product that looks and acts similar, but without anything compelling about the rest of their ecosystems?

There's so many things wrong about this post I don't know where to start...

ixodes
Jul 12, 2012, 05:12 AM
Why does Amazon what to be in the phone business?
It's rather simple really, there's money to be made, lots of it.

Amazon has a stellar reputation as a company, with a huge installed base of very loyal customers. It may not be the same cult like experience, but they are very satisfied.

Besides as hard as it may be for the Apple Faithful to believe, the world does not revolve around Apple. :)

whooleytoo
Jul 12, 2012, 07:10 AM
Yes, but at least Apple didn't name it iOS Live or iOS Network.

If you're making a Games service available for iOS & Kindle devices; you kind of have to include the word "Game" in the title. Unlike the 360 & PS3, iOS & Kindle devices aren't primarily games devices, so the name has to let people know what the service is. So it's just common sense they went with "Game xxxxxxxx".

EbookReader
Jul 12, 2012, 07:39 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2012/07/08/amazons-kindle-smartphone-will-disrupt-the-carrier-model/
Amazon's Kindle Smartphone Will Disrupt the Carrier Model


Imagine something like the Galaxy Nexus unlocked and sold "at cost" and can be used with something like T-Mobile Prepaid

$45 a month for 5GB of data, unlimited text and 600 minutes.

right now, T-Mobile Prepaid has

$30 a month for 5GB of data, unlimited text and 100 minutes (so an extra $15 a month for 500 more minutes)


They can also negate the carriers other advantage – distribution. If there’s one thing that Amazon is good at, it’s selling boxes of ‘things’ and getting them to their customers as soon as possible. Their front page is one of the biggest store-fronts in the world.

Z400Racer37
Jul 12, 2012, 10:39 AM
I think my inability to find the post you are quoting indicates the likely response to rebellion.

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Image (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
lmao idk why he deleted it but the quote is in my original post

Z400Racer37
Jul 12, 2012, 10:55 AM
There's so many things wrong about this post I don't know where to start...

....<.< >.> ...like what?

Bezetos
Jul 12, 2012, 11:53 AM
....<.< >.> ...like what?

I don't want to answer another cliche statement which goes something like "there would be no Android if there wasn't iOS" since there is so much proof that Android was being developed independently from iOS.

I also don't want to go into another dispute on how other phones "try to imitate Apple products" because again, that's a load of bullocks.

To sum up, I just don't want to go there. Again. Conversations like this happend a million times. Nothing has changed.

Icaras
Jul 12, 2012, 01:27 PM
If you're making a Games service available for iOS & Kindle devices; you kind of have to include the word "Game" in the title. Unlike the 360 & PS3, iOS & Kindle devices aren't primarily games devices, so the name has to let people know what the service is. So it's just common sense they went with "Game xxxxxxxx".

That's true. Makes sense when you realize the particular eco systems we're dealing with.

Z400Racer37
Jul 12, 2012, 02:18 PM
I don't want to answer another cliche statement which goes something like "there would be no Android if there wasn't iOS" since there is so much proof that Android was being developed independently from iOS.

I also don't want to go into another dispute on how other phones "try to imitate Apple products" because again, that's a load of bullocks.

To sum up, I just don't want to go there. Again. Conversations like this happend a million times. Nothing has changed.

First of all, I dont know about “proof,” but whether or not it was is completely irrelevant. When Apple was able to work and deal with Cingular, they were the first people in the world that were able to make the phone that they wanted to have on the network. So why would an operating system for a phone be in development, if the biggest limiting factor to innovation in the cell phone market at the time was the ability to get the appropriate hardware out on the market? If there isn’t any hardware that doesn’t suck, why bother making the “cutting-edge” software for “cutting-edge” hardware that didn’t exist? But even assuming that android was under development while iOS was under development, it doesn’t excuse their blatant copying the features that iOS has. I’m sure Apple has “been inspired” buy a few things that android has done, but there is no excuse for android copying all kinds of major features of an entire operating system, such as look the and feel of the operating system as a whole, to things as simple as the springboard with the grid/dock view, to the blatant copying of Apple’s Siri with their “Iris” (they just spelled it backwards and made it work like crap, how shameless can they possibly get???) just a few days after Apple comes out with Siri.

I find it a little peculiar that Eric Schmidt was sitting on Apple’s board when Steve unveiled the iPhone in January of 2007, released it a few months later, and then all of a sudden android is released over a year and a half after the unveiling of the iPhone in September 2008... I find it kind of hard to believe that they were putting the “finishing touches” on an operating system that was already in development for over a year and a half. Not to mention that it still works like crap even now. My friend couldn’t even call someone on his android phone the other day, because it wouldn’t let him press the call button it has so many viruses. He had to reboot his phone. Pretty lame, and people are already getting tired of it, which is why iOS is taking share away from android so rapidly.

And then they come out with iPad in 2010, and before you know what they are 100 different tablet devices all over the place scrambling to make up for lost ground. Again. But don’t worry, people aren’t fooled by this nonsense. They recognize the fact that when they walk into there Apple store and buy a new Apple product, it is seamlessly integrated with all of their other Apple devices, and it’s nice.

And wheres their droidcloud... or acloud... im trying to figure a name that they would feel comfortable with copying... how about scloud?? Oh yeah there we go. Over a year after iCloud samsung has the vision of sCloud. Cutting edge.

You see, we don’t have to or want to think about how our products work, we just want them to work. And they do. It’s Apple’s job to figure out how it works, not ours. Android has a different philosophy. Android wants you to figure out which phone out of 100 different phones is the best one for you, which tablet out of 100 different tablets is the best one for you, which Windows platform is the best computer for you, whether you want flash on your device (and half the battery life to go with it) or not, understand what all these things mean, and figure out which group of products works best for you. Less than 5% of the population wants to deal with that nonsense, and therefore android will eventually have less than 5% of the market share. What developer is going to write software for android then?

It’s one thing if you feel like supporting an open operating system over closed operating system, but don’t try to tell us that android is the innovator of everything that is good and useful, when they can’t even copy what Apple does well enough to keep their customers happy, and prevent themselves from losing a bunch of market share when their customers switch to iOS.

By the way, I “wrote” all of this on my Mac and less than five minutes using Siri dictation. How would your fingers feel? Can’t wait until Microsoft comes out with Windows dictation eh?

Welcome to MacRumors.

Bezetos
Jul 12, 2012, 02:38 PM
(...) Derp derp uneducated opinion based on false information derp derp (...)
tl;dr

but this


By the way, I “wrote” all of this on my Mac and less than five minutes using Siri dictation. How would your fingers feel? Can’t wait until Microsoft comes out with Windows dictation eh?

Welcome to MacRumors.

Made me lol.

Siri's voice recognition is terrible outside the US. Absolutely awful. It has been criticized a multiple times.

Ever heard about Dragon NaturallySpeaking (http://www.nuance.com/dragon/index.htm)?

You know, software that allowed you voice dictation a decade before the first iPhone was released?

Or how about Google Voice Input that allowed you to dictate what you want to write years before the iPhone4S?

Welcome to the real world.

Z400Racer37
Jul 12, 2012, 02:56 PM
tl;dr

but this


Made me lol.

Siri's voice recognition is terrible outside the US. Absolutely awful. It has been criticized a multiple times.

Ever heard about Dragon NaturallySpeaking (http://www.nuance.com/dragon/index.htm)?

You know, software that allowed you voice dictation a decade before the first iPhone was released?

Or how about Google Voice Input that allowed you to dictate what you want to write years before the iPhone4S?

Welcome to the real world.

Ever hear of Nuance? I'm sure you have, it's the company that you intended to refer to who owns Dragon Dictation? I believe Apple actually partnered with them because of the fact that they have the most developed voice recognition technology in the world? So is it wrong to partner with companies or something now? Better off ripping them off and going to court over it right?

And I've actually used dragon dictation on my old Windows computer. It was that particular type of awful you were alluding to earlier. Turns out an 85% accuracy rate (at best) is kind of a pain when you can speak 500 words in a couple minutes.

And if "(...) Derp derp uneducated opinion based on false information derp derp (...)" is the most substantive argument you can bring to the table, then I think we all have a pretty good idea who's the uneducated one here. Go learn something. Or is this too long for you to read too?

Welcome to the real world.

Bezetos
Jul 12, 2012, 03:33 PM
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And if "(...) Derp derp uneducated opinion based on false information derp derp (...)" is the most substantive argument you can bring to the table, then I think we all have a pretty good idea who's the uneducated one here. Go learn something. Or is this too long for you to read too?
Listen lad.

I have literally laughed all the way through your previous comment.

I have encountered a lot of clueless people before, hence I said that I don't want to deal with such nonsense again.

However. If you really want an argument, let me choose a few of your untrue statements, because I don't have time for all of them. Apologies if it's messey, but it's just hard to syphon through a lot of nonsense.

there is no excuse for android copying all kinds of major features of an entire operating system, such as look the and feel of the operating system as a whole, to things as simple as the springboard with the grid/dock view,This has been proved to be complete nonsense. The grid/dock view has been used before. The beta version of Android already had that structure. There has been a lot of proof that what you and your lot claim is simply untrue. Try again.

to the blatant copying of Apple’s Siri with their “Iris” (they just spelled it backwards and made it work like crap, how shameless can they possibly get???)This had nothing to do with Google, Android or Samsung. It was simply an app made by some random developer. So again, false information. You do realise that Android had voice input, voice commands, voice search years before iPhone4S? It just wasn't bundled up to form some gimmicky voice assistant.

Not to mention that it [Android] still works like crap even now. My friend couldn’t even call someone on his android phone the other day, because it wouldn’t let him press the call button it has so many viruses. He had to reboot his phone.It's not Android's fault that he unlocked his phone and installed unauthorised software and got viruses. Besides, it's circumstantial. My sister's iPhone 3G is pretty useless, she can't launch 75% of the apps even after restoring the phone and reinstalling everything.

and people are already getting tired of it, which is why iOS is taking share away from android so rapidly.This is another lie. Android is dominating and the trend shows that it is getting more popular than iOS. Get your facts straight.

And wheres their droidcloud... or acloud... im trying to figure a name that they would feel comfortable with copying... how about scloud?? Oh yeah there we go. Over a year after iCloud samsung has the vision of sCloud. Cutting edge.Since you have huge gaps in your knowledge, let me tell you that Android had cloud services years before iCloud. And SCloud is simply Samsung's service that offers storage. So, you're wrong again.
You see, we don’t have to or want to think about how our products work, we just want them to work. And they do. It’s Apple’s job to figure out how it works, not ours. Android has a different philosophy. Android wants you to figure out which phone out of 100 different phones is the best one for you, which tablet out of 100 different tablets is the best one for you, which Windows platform is the best computer for you, whether you want flash on your device (and half the battery life to go with it) or not, understand what all these things mean, and figure out which group of products works best for you.And that's why they call you iSheep. You don't like choice, just what Apple chooses for you.

Less than 5% of the population wants to deal with that nonsense, and therefore android will eventually have less than 5% of the market share. What developer is going to write software for android then?Another statistic that you pulled out of your ass. Have a look at real stats.
Be amazed. How wrong you are.

And I've already made fun of your voice dictation remark. Hilarious.

Now, I will not argue with you about the above, because I'm simply stating facts, not made up stories ("Less than 5% of the population wants to deal with that nonsense..."). I've dealt so many times with your kind before, that I don't have energy for this. So don't even bother replying. Just look at the facts and escape from your dream world.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

kdarling
Jul 12, 2012, 03:33 PM
First of all, I dont know about “proof,” but whether or not it was is completely irrelevant. When Apple was able to work and deal with Cingular, they were the first people in the world that were able to make the phone that they wanted to have on the network.

Perhaps Apple was the first phone provider for Cingular to make a phone the way they wanted, but worldwide, GSM makers and users had been free styling it for years.

Cingular also stated (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/01/15/apple_cingular_claim_victory_over_eachother_say_more_iphones_in_queue.html) that Apple bent over for them. Certainly, later on Apple deferred constantly to AT&T's wishes about using WiFi instead of 3G, so they were hardly working without carrier oversight.

So why would an operating system for a phone be in development, if the biggest limiting factor to innovation in the cell phone market at the time was the ability to get the appropriate hardware out on the market?

There was nothing stopping better hardware except cost. In fact, Apple made a phone that most carriers would've considered limited. It was unusual at the time for a top smartphone to have no GPS, no 3G, no video, no MMS.

... there is no excuse for android copying all kinds of major features of an entire operating system, such as look the and feel of the operating system as a whole, to things as simple as the springboard with the grid/dock view,

App grids and dock predate the iPhone. Heck, they predate GUIs; grids were used on green screen terminals. People have been putting things in boxes since man could think.

to the blatant copying of Apple’s Siri with their “Iris” (they just spelled it backwards and made it work like crap, how shameless can they possibly get???) just a few days after Apple comes out with Siri.

That was an app developer who did that. I think a lot of people instantly had the same idea, since it was so easy to do. For that matter, there've been voice assistant apps on Android since the beginning. My favorite was called "Edwin".

I find it a little peculiar that Eric Schmidt was sitting on Apple’s board when Steve unveiled the iPhone in January of 2007, released it a few months later, and then all of a sudden android is released over a year and a half after the unveiling of the iPhone in September 2008...

Many find it peculiar that Jobs invited Schmidt onto the Apple board during the middle of iPhone development. Was he keeping an eye on Android? Did he figure it would keep Google out of the phone business?

thisizjake
Jul 12, 2012, 07:36 PM
wow... really? gamecirlce? they just can't come up with their own ideas

kdarling
Jul 12, 2012, 10:24 PM
wow... really? gamecirlce? they just can't come up with their own ideas

Online score sharing and game socializing has been going on for decades. Setting up such a center is not unusual, and certainly not unique to latecomers like Apple.

So here's the question: you're the CEO of Company X and you need a name for a place / app where gamers will come together. What do you call it?

Obviously, "Game (something)" makes sense. "Game Center" is actually pretty non-innovative. There've been physical Game Centers for a long time.

What other "Game" name would you recommend? "Game Core"? "Game Box"? "Game Place"? "Game Club"? "Game Circle" reminds one of the Round Table.

sbrhwkp3
Jul 13, 2012, 11:55 AM
They're launching a service that competes with Apple's second-biggest recent failure? Game Center is the most annoying thing I have ever experienced on iOS!

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I've played with Game Center before. It didn't take long for me to decide to kill it with parental controls.

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People spam the down-vote too much I guess. It's also annoying when I see a perfectly sensible comment that gets downvoted to the max because people misread it or because fanboys just get mad about Apple criticism.

Talking about their phone project; not their game center. Couldn't care less about that.