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Roy G Biv
Jul 12, 2012, 09:13 PM
I am a happy iPad 3 owner, but I am also in constant want. I'm thinking of getting a shiny Nexus 7 for actual portable use--take it places without the fear. Please, be open-minded.

However, I'd like very much to be dissuaded. Aside from the obvious lack of access to all media purchased for my iOS devices, what else? I hope there would be some drag-and-drop ability between my iMac and this Android device for music and podcasts. Should I, loving Apple, expect shock and horror from the Jelly Bean user experience? Be fair.



brentsg
Jul 12, 2012, 09:14 PM
Having very little on-board storage and no mobile data capability has to hurt the usage on the go.

Rodster
Jul 12, 2012, 09:20 PM
I am a happy iPad 3 owner, but I am also in constant want. I'm thinking of getting a shiny Nexus 7 for actual portable use--take it places without the fear. Please, be open-minded.

However, I'd like very much to be dissuaded. Aside from the obvious lack of access to all media purchased for my iOS devices, what else? I hope there would be some drag-and-drop ability between my iMac and this Android device for music and podcasts. Should I, loving Apple, expect shock and horror from the Jelly Bean user experience? Be fair.

No reason to be dissuaded. The Nexus 7 has solid hardware specs and is getting rave reviews for both the hardware and software. Jelly Bean and Project Butter have generated lots of positive buzz.

I own both an iPad 2 and 3. I would have NO problems buying a Nexus 7. My only issue is the size. I prefer Tablets the size of the iPad.

If you are going to get a Nexus 7, get the 16GB version. Here's hoping we see a Nexus 10 next year. :)

w00t951
Jul 13, 2012, 05:57 AM
I was about this -> | | close to buying a Nexus 7. Then I realized I require mobile data, and I skipped.

kaydot
Jul 13, 2012, 02:32 PM
I am a happy iPad 3 owner, but I am also in constant want. I'm thinking of getting a shiny Nexus 7 for actual portable use--take it places without the fear. Please, be open-minded.



I'm still on the fence for buying a Nexus 7. Android/Jelly Bean is great, if Ice Cream Sandwich is any indication.

But if you want to be discouraged...

The thing that is silly is that the Nexus 7 will not have the apps that you've already invested in on the iPad. Do you really want to go and spend all that money again? Some apps just plain aren't available on Android at all. And never mind that the Nexus 7 does not have a way to hook up to a larger screen. Even most smartphones have that option.

Most importantly, you already have the best tablet on the market. Try as you might, you basically can't damage it. If you're still afraid, take the $200 and get a sleeve/case, and take the remaining $150 and buy a ton of great apps.

Rodster
Jul 13, 2012, 03:17 PM
I'm still on the fence for buying a Nexus 7. Android/Jelly Bean is great, if Ice Cream Sandwich is any indication.

But if you want to be discouraged...

The thing that is silly is that the Nexus 7 will not have the apps that you've already invested in on the iPad. Do you really want to go and spend all that money again? Some apps just plain aren't available on Android at all. And never mind that the Nexus 7 does not have a way to hook up to a larger screen. Even most smartphones have that option.

Most importantly, you already have the best tablet on the market. Try as you might, you basically can't damage it. If you're still afraid, take the $200 and get a sleeve/case, and take the remaining $150 and buy a ton of great apps.

It's a different ecosystem and I like both actually. ;)

Don't forget you get a $25 coupon toward future purchases on the Play Store. One thing I like about Google and I wish they did more of it are the 10 cent app sales. I bout a bunch of $7 games for 49 cents. I wish they had more of that.

Also if a person already has a Google account all of your stuff meaning games and apps you purchased transfer over to the Nexus 7. :)

Che Castro
Jul 13, 2012, 05:00 PM
Cant you tether the nexus 7 with your iphone's 3g connection?

bhags8
Jul 13, 2012, 05:32 PM
I'm still on the fence for buying a Nexus 7. Android/Jelly Bean is great, if Ice Cream Sandwich is any indication.

But if you want to be discouraged...

The thing that is silly is that the Nexus 7 will not have the apps that you've already invested in on the iPad. Do you really want to go and spend all that money again? Some apps just plain aren't available on Android at all. And never mind that the Nexus 7 does not have a way to hook up to a larger screen. Even most smartphones have that option.

Most importantly, you already have the best tablet on the market. Try as you might, you basically can't damage it. If you're still afraid, take the $200 and get a sleeve/case, and take the remaining $150 and buy a ton of great apps.

But, most apps are free on Android. Well that was the case about a year ago, I remember there being a lot of free apps that I paid for in iTunes.

Rodster
Jul 13, 2012, 05:46 PM
But, most apps are free on Android. Well that was the case about a year ago, I remember there being a lot of free apps that I paid for in iTunes.

That's still the case. In fact a dirty little secret is most free games i.e. ad supported is the full version. I turn off my wifi and never have to deal with a popup ad. :p

And while the App Store still has a ton of stuff the Google Play Store has enough for everyone.

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Cant you tether the nexus 7 with your iphone's 3g connection?

Only wifi for the Nexus 7.

Che Castro
Jul 13, 2012, 07:22 PM
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Only wifi for the Nexus 7.

But i can do it now on my wifi only ipad using my iphones 3g connection

Rodster
Jul 13, 2012, 08:58 PM
But i can do it now on my wifi only ipad using my iphones 3g connection

Then tbh I don't see why not.

Roy G Biv
Jul 13, 2012, 11:48 PM
There are just a few apps that I really use much, so re-purchasing would only apply to a few things. What about the browser and touch screen responsiveness? The iPad screen is fantastically responsive, while the browser is good, if not great.

Rodster
Jul 14, 2012, 03:34 AM
There are just a few apps that I really use much, so re-purchasing would only apply to a few things. What about the browser and touch screen responsiveness? The iPad screen is fantastically responsive, while the browser is good, if not great.

I think Google ties your Google account to you so the stuff you purchased elsewhere on another device may carry over.

cdmoore74
Jul 14, 2012, 09:34 AM
I was about this -> | | close to buying a Nexus 7. Then I realized I require mobile data, and I skipped.

Let's see

ipad 16gig LTE = $629

vs

Nexus 7 16gig = $250

If these are your choices today you would have already bought the iPad before Nexus 7 was even released. Is mobile data worth $379 when most phones can already tether? Heck, buy a iPhone 5 for $200 and buy the Nexus for $250. Your still $129 ahead of the game.

Rodster
Jul 14, 2012, 09:47 AM
I just picked up a Nexus 7 from Office Depot. I haven't opened it yet because i'm not sure if it comes with the $25 coupon for the Google Play Store. The employee who was helping bordered on "NO CLUE" throughout the transaction.

I was told they will start selling them in 2 months. That's when I said i'll go to Staples and he said let me check with my manager, lol. Yup 'how about that we are officially selling them today'. :D

Chic0
Jul 14, 2012, 12:50 PM
Been thinking about getting one of these for a few days. Finally took the plunge and placed my order yesterday.

Had many Apple products over the years. I've also used many handsets, including Android, as part of my last two jobs and haven't been impressed with Android.....until now that is. From what I've been reading about Jelly Bean it sounds as if Google have finally upped their game.

I had an iPad2 up until a few months ago. I found that I hardly used it and always went back to my MBP and iPhone 4. Think I prefer the 7" size, but time will tell I suppose.

Also getting bit bored of IOS. Not saying it's rubbish, but just fancy something fresh. Looking forward to getting the Nexus :)

nuckinfutz
Jul 14, 2012, 01:04 PM
Would buy a Nexus but gonna wait until this fall to see if an iPad mini is truly coming.

I'm not really a fan of 16x9 tablets. I prefer the 4:3 aspect ratio. I'd love to trim down my current iPad to just my essential apps and quarantine my games to a smaller iPad.

If no iPad mini is coming i'll grab a Nexus.

Rodster
Jul 14, 2012, 02:49 PM
Quick impressions :D

Yup just setup my Nexus 7, used my Gmail account and it gave me my $25 credit.

It's doing a system update v4.1.1 which I read was already available. This is no question a sweet tablet. The screen is just plain gorgeous and Jelly Bean is liquid smooth just like iOS. So far very impressed.

Wow one very cool feature is the zoom in effect. When you first zoom (2 taps) in it makes that area a bit larger. In certain areas if you zoom in again it balloons the text to SUPER SIZE. So essentially pinch to zoom isn't required on the Nexus 7 in certain areas of a web page.

* My 16GB has 13.2 remaining even with the Transformer movie and several preloaded magazines.

ucfgrad93
Jul 14, 2012, 03:14 PM
I just picked up a Nexus 7 from Office Depot. I haven't opened it yet because i'm not sure if it comes with the $25 coupon for the Google Play Store. The employee who was helping bordered on "NO CLUE" throughout the transaction.

I was told they will start selling them in 2 months. That's when I said i'll go to Staples and he said let me check with my manager, lol. Yup 'how about that we are officially selling them today'. :D

I have heard over at Android Central that the Nexus 7's being sold at GameStop do come with the $25 credit. It isn't an actual coupon, however. When you register the Nexus 7 it gives a credit to the account you set it up with.

Rodster
Jul 14, 2012, 03:18 PM
I have heard over at Android Central that the Nexus 7's being sold at GameStop do come with the $25 credit. It isn't an actual coupon, however. When you register the Nexus 7 it gives a credit to the account you set it up with.

Yeah, actually every Nexus 7 sold comes with a $25 credit once you register the device with your new or existing Gmail account. I have several Gmail accounts. I wonder if I can get $25 credit for each account? :D

Fruit Cake
Jul 14, 2012, 06:11 PM
I'm getting one, I have a 64 gig AT&T lte iPad I'll use hotspot feature on if I need cellular on the nexus.

w00t951
Jul 14, 2012, 06:22 PM
Let's see

ipad 16gig LTE = $629

vs

Nexus 7 16gig = $250

If these are your choices today you would have already bought the iPad before Nexus 7 was even released. Is mobile data worth $379 when most phones can already tether? Heck, buy a iPhone 5 for $200 and buy the Nexus for $250. Your still $129 ahead of the game.

What makes you think I want a 9.7" tablet? I used to have a 3rd Gen LTE and OG 3G iPad, and got rid of both.

And dude, stop and think for a moment. With AT&T cracking down on tethering apps, I'll have to buy a $50/month tethering plan or risk losing my account. Will that extra cash be worth the inconvenient use of tethering? I just want a device that I can pull out of my bag in the morning and turn on for a stable cellular connection - not one that also requires me to pull my phone out and enable tethering.

Roy G Biv
Jul 14, 2012, 09:39 PM
Quick impressions :D

Yup just setup my Nexus 7, used my Gmail account and it gave me my $25 credit.

It's doing a system update v4.1.1 which I read was already available. This is no question a sweet tablet. The screen is just plain gorgeous and Jelly Bean is liquid smooth just like iOS. So far very impressed.

Good to hear! Would you say the screen is wide enough for most pages to browse in portrait, or do you switch to landscape? Also, did you try any graphically-intensive games?

Rodster
Jul 14, 2012, 10:33 PM
Good to hear! Would you say the screen is wide enough for most pages to browse in portrait, or do you switch to landscape? Also, did you try any graphically-intensive games?

I stick to portrait and there is enough room to read a page. Although my eyesight is not what it used to be so reading small print is nearly impossible for me. :(

The text is very clear and sharp. Jelly Bean is a dream for Android users. OMG it's buttery smooth from swipes to finger touches. Everything is precise. I had a chance to compare an ASUS Transformer running ICS and then the Nexus 7 and it was NO contest. Jelly Bean destroys ICS in every way. If you like the smoothness, predictability and precision of iOS like everyone else does then you'll feel right at home using a Nexus 7. Best of all it's a stripped OS with virtually NO bloat sans the free movie and magazines that are preloaded.

No games yet as I was pulled away to take care of family chores and i've been playing EA's NCAA Football.

I witnessed something on the Nexus 7 today I have never seen before on any other Tablet Android or iOS:

I was on a website and double tapped and it zoomed in as it does on any other Tablet. I scrolled over to a vertical row of links to hop into the forums. So I double tapped again and the Nexus 7 zoomed in like SUPER TEXT. :eek:

It took up 3/4 of the screen and was like this is where you want to go you can't possibly touch the wrong link. It was MAGIC to me. That's been the one standout experience so far. Every thing else I expected. The screen is gorgeous, colorful, the tablet runs buttery smooth and is a delight to use.

Also unlike the iPad as nice as it looks the backing if the Nexus 7 is a dark grey rubberized backing so you can't scratch the back of the Tablet. And Gorilla Glass II just feels great. :cool:

This tablet is without a doubt a steal at $249. The icing on the cake would have been a MicroSD slot, that's it and 3G/4G for those with data plans.

Roy G Biv
Jul 15, 2012, 02:15 AM
Excellent. You're making this all the more tempting, Rod.

I suppose by viewing most pages in portrait, you probably have to cut off the sides, which are typically ads or site links you don't need to see constantly? This is a big concern to me because I figure landscape browsing would require a lot of scrolling and be kind of a pain.

knucklehead
Jul 15, 2012, 08:21 AM
I'm going to see if I can get my hands on one today.

It's much more limited than something I really want, with low storage, no cell data and lack of back camera. I figure I can try it out for a couple of weeks, and easily sell it for just a small loss.

It looks to be a real sweet performer for anyone who can live with it's limitations.

Rodster
Jul 15, 2012, 08:28 AM
Excellent. You're making this all the more tempting, Rod.

I suppose by viewing most pages in portrait, you probably have to cut off the sides, which are typically ads or site links you don't need to see constantly? This is a big concern to me because I figure landscape browsing would require a lot of scrolling and be kind of a pain.

Any 7" tablet will have it's limitations which is why the first iPad was introduce was 9.7"

I find it's a much more pleasant web experience using the Nexus 7 over the Kindle Fire. But i'll take my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 for web browsing any day. :)

knucklehead
Jul 15, 2012, 02:52 PM
Anyone having any luck finding these in stock anywhere?

Here in Austin the response I'm getting is that the first shipment sold out everywhere in about 5 minutes, the the stores are getting hammered by calls about when it will be back in stock.

I'm interested in trying one out, but not interested in fighting mobs, and running all over town trying to get one. Perhaps I'll get lucky with the Best Buy that's within waling distance from me ...

Rodster
Jul 15, 2012, 03:07 PM
Anyone having any luck finding these in stock anywhere?

Here in Austin the response I'm getting is that the first shipment sold out everywhere in about 5 minutes, the the stores are getting hammered by calls about when it will be back in stock.

I'm interested in trying one out, but not interested in fighting mobs, and running all over town trying to get one. Perhaps I'll get lucky with the Best Buy that's within waling distance from me ...

They sold out really fast yesterday. I guess the glowing reviews helped the hype along with the price. Within 1 hour yesterday morning Office Depot and Staples were out of stock. I'm sure more are on the way.

ASUS is not a small company. It's a nice problem to have, not having enough stock. I'm sure the Google execs must be smiling. :cool:

AppleHater
Jul 15, 2012, 03:15 PM
Having very little on-board storage and no mobile data capability has to hurt the usage on the go.

More than half of my iPad's storage is filled with my music. Since I can store my music with Google Music Player (up to 20,000 songs), I don't think I need a lot of space especially for my next phone.

I just ordered the 7. Hopefully, it'll live up to the hype.

knucklehead
Jul 15, 2012, 03:16 PM
They sold out really fast yesterday. I guess the glowing reviews helped the hype along with the price. Within 1 hour yesterday morning Office Depot and Staples were out of stock. I'm sure more are on the way.

ASUS is not a small company. It's a nice problem to have, not having enough stock. I'm sure the Google execs must be smiling. :cool:

I'm sure they'll be selling these things as fast as they can make them.

Office Depot gave me Tuesday as their next shipment date, but advised strongly to be there before opening time -- not quite the sort of thing I'm into. Perhaps at Best Buy which I can just walk to easily enough.

Rodster
Jul 15, 2012, 03:30 PM
I just ordered the 7. Hopefully, it'll live up to the hype.

I think it will :)

info
Jul 15, 2012, 03:52 PM
Many of the apps are available on both platforms and you will quite often find your data syncing perfectly between Android and iOS. Of course you would have to buy the same programs twice but it's more often than not well worth it.

Android has many unique powers and, these days, it is unwise to limit oneself to a single platform. As a user and admirer of Apple products myself, I feel almost certain that you would not regret adding Android to your toolbox.

AppleHater
Jul 15, 2012, 04:03 PM
Nexus 7 will be test case. If it work out well, my next phone will be the next Nexus phone instead of iPhone 5.

rmhop81
Jul 15, 2012, 04:11 PM
Check out sams club. Picked mine up today from there. No preorder either

knucklehead
Jul 15, 2012, 04:26 PM
Check out sams club. Picked mine up today from there. No preorder either

Just checked - the store close to me is sold out. I'm not going to bother checking the others -- but I'd bet they're out too.

Thanks for the suggestion.

brentsg
Jul 15, 2012, 05:08 PM
More than half of my iPad's storage is filled with my music. Since I can store my music with Google Music Player (up to 20,000 songs), I don't think I need a lot of space especially for my next phone.

I just ordered the 7. Hopefully, it'll live up to the hype.

I'd agree with a phone. I doubt I'll have more than a 16GB model going forward. Heck, I wouldn't really mind a "dumb" phone now that I carry my iPad everywhere.

But I've got a 64GB iPad mostly full with no music at all.

Everyone's usage will be different but man.. I can't imagine a tablet with 16GB.

info
Jul 15, 2012, 08:38 PM
...Everyone's usage will be different but man.. I can't imagine a tablet with 16GB.

I totally agree and am more than a bit surprised at this limitation. I also have a 64Gig iPad and already feel somewhat confined. It shouldn't take Google long to expand the memory out though... probably before year end I would imagine.

Rodster
Jul 15, 2012, 11:27 PM
Google released another very small update. I was told it's nothing major though.

OK an update on some things I noticed and liked:

1) You can disable screen lock in the options setting.....sweetness :D

2) You'll have to enable auto-tilt in the settings

3) It has GPS as well as NFC enabled.

4) Click on the Chrome icon and up pops up a menu with other icons that are in a group. Think of it as a folder you created in iOS.

5) There's a frame inside a frame icon to the right of the Home icon. Touch that and it brings up your recent activity list which you can hot jump to the app.

6) A Nice assortment of widgets you can drag to the home screen.

7) And best of all. All of your previously purchased apps are available for download on the Nexus 7.

8) Someone asked me if you can view an entire webpage in Portrait. Yes you can !

9) I haven't timed it yet but this thing looks like it boots up in under 10 seconds. :cool:

christophermdia
Jul 15, 2012, 11:50 PM
I am 24 hours in and I could already see this as my go to tablet for around town, where I normally bring my iPad. As I just said in another post, if the iPad mini came out, i would certainly get it and think it would add a nice addition to the family, especially if they made it a 3G version. Being very entwined in the google environment with gmail, picasa, and others....I think its a great complement to my iPad 3. Now to get work done, I think the 7 is too small and the iPad 3 is an amazing productivity device. On short work trips, all I bring is my ipad. with the integrations of google drive and dropbox I feel like I have no need for a laptop. Plus the thing I always hated most about android tablets was the custom rom's and the slow updates. Nexus 7 eliminates that.

For the price, I say go for it. If the iPad mini comes out and serves your needs then great. All your apps will transfer and you should be just as happy. For now, ill stick with the Nexus and see what the future of the iPad mini holds....

davidnyjets
Jul 19, 2012, 07:13 AM
Been watching reviews and unboxings all over Youtube and am extremely close to picking of these up.

I just got a MBA which I love. I'd use this tablet primarily to browse web, Youtube app, eReader, etc. -- I don't want to take too much use away from a sweet laptop I just spent $1200+ on. I've never owned a tablet but the idea of lying on the couch or in bed just screwing around on this thing is enticing to me.

Lastly, anyone buy the 8gb model and is happy with their choice? I don't plan on putting any music on here, as my iPhone has that -- and all I plan on using it for primarily is browsing and eBooks.

Thoughts? Help a brother out! :)

urkel
Jul 19, 2012, 08:54 AM
But I've got a 64GB iPad mostly full with no music at all.

Everyone's usage will be different but man.. I can't imagine a tablet with 16GB.
But how much of that 64GB do you use on a daily basis?

I recently decided to try to look at what I carry around on my iPad 3 64GB and realized I became a mobile hoarder. 95% of it is stuff I rarely/never use like "Bargain" impulse buy apps, way too many videos, a decade of photos etc. So I decided to get rid of it and take over my daughters 16GB iPad2 (she got bored of it a while ago).

What I realized in moving to 16GB is that I'm actually much more efficient since I only have Apps/Videos that I actually want to use and I got money to save for my next toy. Personally, the only thing stopping me from getting a Nexus7 is the pricing of Surface RT. Heck, with the $700 I made from selling my iPad3 then I could probably buy both, but I'm holding back until we see if an iPad 7" actually comes out because thats always been my dream machine.

Zetaprime
Jul 19, 2012, 05:47 PM
I was about this -> | | close to buying a Nexus 7. Then I realized I require mobile data, and I skipped.

If you hang at places with wi-fi it doesn't matter. I can easily do without a data plan.

darngooddesign
Jul 19, 2012, 05:51 PM
One thing I like about Google and I wish they did more of it are the 10 cent app sales. I bout a bunch of $7 games for 49 cents. I wish they had more of that.

I'm more of a fan of free apps on iOS. :D

Rodster
Jul 19, 2012, 06:35 PM
I'm more of a fan of free apps on iOS. :D

So am I like Amazon's FAOTD. :)

flyguy206
Jul 19, 2012, 07:09 PM
The funny thing is all my android friends are not as hype over it as the iOS friends that got it. Sometimes you need a change in os.

Lindenhurst
Jul 20, 2012, 08:06 AM
I was about this -> | | close to buying a Nexus 7. Then I realized I require mobile data, and I skipped.

It does have mobile data...it's called tethering from your Android device or your iPhone.

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Been watching reviews and unboxings all over Youtube and am extremely close to picking of these up.

I just got a MBA which I love. I'd use this tablet primarily to browse web, Youtube app, eReader, etc. -- I don't want to take too much use away from a sweet laptop I just spent $1200+ on. I've never owned a tablet but the idea of lying on the couch or in bed just screwing around on this thing is enticing to me.

Lastly, anyone buy the 8gb model and is happy with their choice? I don't plan on putting any music on here, as my iPhone has that -- and all I plan on using it for primarily is browsing and eBooks.

Thoughts? Help a brother out! :)

I have the 8gb and I have only filled up 1gb of space. I stream my video and music, don't keep my photo library on it( on my iMac) and only play games once in awhile. I'll never fill it up.
I'm amazed at people who get these devices and load all of their movies that they have seen numerous times and their 300 games that they never play and then say it doesn't have enough space!

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The funny thing is all my android friends are not as hype over it as the iOS friends that got it. Sometimes you need a change in os.

Bingo!

w00t951
Jul 20, 2012, 08:50 AM
It does have mobile data...it's called tethering from your Android device or your iPhone.

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I have the 8gb and I have only filled up 1gb of space. I stream my video and music, don't keep my photo library on it( on my iMac) and only play games once in awhile. I'll never fill it up.
I'm amazed at people who get these devices and load all of their movies that they have seen numerous times and their 300 games that they never play and then say it doesn't have enough space!

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Bingo!

My Nexus doesn't really last with tethering on... And I don't care how much space it has, because the majority of my media is on Hulu/Netflix/Spotify. I would also love to use the Internet on the go.

mfr1340
Jul 20, 2012, 09:12 AM
My Nexus doesn't really last with tethering on... And I don't care how much space it has, because the majority of my media is on Hulu/Netflix/Spotify. I would also love to use the Internet on the go.

I got the Nexus 7 yesterday at office depot. It is great. I have the new IPad and I will get the IPad Mini when it comes out. I just wanted to try jelly bean. I gave my wife and daughter IPad2's so I just wanted something different to play with.

Scarpad
Jul 20, 2012, 09:53 AM
I am a happy iPad 3 owner, but I am also in constant want. I'm thinking of getting a shiny Nexus 7 for actual portable use--take it places without the fear. Please, be open-minded.

However, I'd like very much to be dissuaded. Aside from the obvious lack of access to all media purchased for my iOS devices, what else? I hope there would be some drag-and-drop ability between my iMac and this Android device for music and podcasts. Should I, loving Apple, expect shock and horror from the Jelly Bean user experience? Be fair.

I bought a 16gb one and love it, its a fantastic tablet, I love the size and been carrying it around all week, today I took my Ipad and I really am longing for the Nexus, It's just the perfect size and I'm doing everything on it, the Ipad does have a gorgeous screen thou thats hard to beat. I can't wait till Ipad has the smalller size out , the nexus has made me realize I want to get that. If you really want to stay with the Apple Ecosystem then just wait a few months and get the smaller Ipad.

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I just picked up a Nexus 7 from Office Depot. I haven't opened it yet because i'm not sure if it comes with the $25 coupon for the Google Play Store. The employee who was helping bordered on "NO CLUE" throughout the transaction.

I was told they will start selling them in 2 months. That's when I said i'll go to Staples and he said let me check with my manager, lol. Yup 'how about that we are officially selling them today'. :D

The "Coupon" is a credit you'll get when you log the nexus in for the first time to the Play store

Eddie Bombay
Jul 20, 2012, 11:18 AM
So am I like Amazon's FAOTD. :)

Pretty sure he's talking about Installus. Not that kinda free.

freudling
Jul 20, 2012, 11:58 AM
I am a happy iPad 3 owner, but I am also in constant want. I'm thinking of getting a shiny Nexus 7 for actual portable use--take it places without the fear. Please, be open-minded.

However, I'd like very much to be dissuaded. Aside from the obvious lack of access to all media purchased for my iOS devices, what else? I hope there would be some drag-and-drop ability between my iMac and this Android device for music and podcasts. Should I, loving Apple, expect shock and horror from the Jelly Bean user experience? Be fair.

I've had mine for a few days now. I've "tried" to use it as much as possible but there's no compelling reason to use it at all. It's not good at anything. My iPhone kills it. Jobs is right. These things are tweeners and are a fail. In other words, dress it up with as many features as you want, it'll still be a useless because the form factor is a dead end.

For instance, last night I was laying on the couch with it sitting beside me. I was surfing with my iPhone. I picked up the Nexus 7 and started using the Web. "Why am I holding this with two hands?" Because it's too big to hold with 1 hand yet the Web looks like crap on it. My smartphone... the Web looks better because many sites are formatted for it... and I can one handed use it... scrolling and selecting with just my thumb. I realized right away that the smartphone was a better browsing experience.

In could go on. In other words, it's worthless no matter how good the specs are because it doesn't have a reason to live. I'd bet everything in the world that the Nexus 7 will meet the same fate as the Kindle Fire: initial traction from hype for 6 weeks then sales will fall off of a cliff. Don't waste your time.

Scarpad
Jul 20, 2012, 12:47 PM
I've had mine for a few days now. I've "tried" to use it as much as possible but there's no compelling reason to use it at all. It's not good at anything. My iPhone kills it. Jobs is right. These things are tweeners and are a fail. In other words, dress it up with as many features as you want, it'll still be a useless because the form factor is a dead end.

For instance, last night I was laying on the couch with it sitting beside me. I was surfing with my iPhone. I picked up the Nexus 7 and started using the Web. "Why am I holding this with two hands?" Because it's too big to hold with 1 hand yet the Web looks like crap on it. My smartphone... the Web looks better because many sites are formatted for it... and I can one handed use it... scrolling and selecting with just my thumb. I realized right away that the smartphone was a better browsing experience.

In could go on. In other words, it's worthless no matter how good the specs are because it doesn't have a reason to live. I'd bet everything in the world that the Nexus 7 will meet the same fate as the Kindle Fire: initial traction from hype for 6 weeks then sales will fall off of a cliff. Don't waste your time.

I have absolutely no problem holding the nexus with one hand, perhaps a strengthening course is required, and if you think a 3.5 inch screen looks better for browsing the web... I don't know how to respond to that.

Rodster
Jul 20, 2012, 12:52 PM
I've had mine for a few days now. I've "tried" to use it as much as possible but there's no compelling reason to use it at all.

I agree with this but not for any of the reasons you quoted lol. My biggest problem with the N7 is that when I compare it to my Kindle Fire the Fire is far and away the better choice for me even with the weak hardware.

I have an Amazon Prime membership and use the Fire daily including all the Apps I got for free. I knew after the newness wore off the N7 was going to be shelved.

Fortunately for me my N7 suffered from the separated glass and I got a full refund because the retailer did not have any more in stock.

freudling
Jul 20, 2012, 02:19 PM
I have absolutely no problem holding the nexus with one hand, perhaps a strengthening course is required, and if you think a 3.5 inch screen looks better for browsing the web... I don't know how to respond to that.

First, what I really mean by holding it in one hand is: using it while holding it with one hand. I can use my iPhone with 1 hand, scrolling with my thumb on the Web, selecting Apps, etc. It's not really possible to reliably do this with the Nexus 7 Tweener. I realized just how killer it is to be able to use a device with just 1 hand. And I mean for a multitude of things. It can't be understated.

Second: the Web does look good on the smartphone because many sites have mobile versions specifically formatted for them. That means no need to pinch and zoom, etc. on those sites. But even full blown sites look good: pinching and zooming in iOS is great. On Android it's just ok. And there aren't really any sites that are formatted specifically for the tweener. And the Retina screen blows anything about of the water: everything looks so much better on the iPhone.

Ergo: the browsing experience is better on the iPhone.

brentsg
Jul 20, 2012, 02:21 PM
Ergo: the browsing experience is better on the iPhone.

That's quite subjective though. I hate browsing on the iPhone and I know I'm not alone.

freudling
Jul 20, 2012, 05:28 PM
That's quite subjective though. I hate browsing on the iPhone and I know I'm not alone.

Objectivity:

1. The Web has several sites where they're specifically formatted for mobile phones: the content comes out and doesn't need to be pinched and zoomed. This is not the case for tweeners.
2. You cannot consistently read fullblown webpages on a Tweener without pinching and zooming.

In other words, you're essentially having to do the exact same things on a Tweener as you are on a smarpthone, yet, you can't reliably one hand hold and use the device at the same time. Because of this, you get virtually zero benefit online by using a Tweener and make the one big compromise of not being able to one hand hold and use it at the same time.

MacNowhere
Jul 20, 2012, 05:54 PM
Objectivity:

1. The Web has several sites where they're specifically formatted for mobile phones: the content comes out and doesn't need to be pinched and zoomed. This is not the case for tweeners.
2. You cannot consistently read fullblown webpages on a Tweener without pinching and zooming.

Both 1 & 2 are wrong. Nexus 7 is a 1280x800 device. It actually displays more content on the screen than 1024x768 iPad. Sure, the screen elements are smaller than 9.7" screen, but not too small. You don't need to pinch & zoom anything, any more so then when you use iPad.

Nexus 7 Chrome browser and overall web browsing experience is excellent by the account of all major reviews (The Verge, Ars Technica, etc), and confirmed by my personal experience. So I don't know where you come up with this stuff.

And please enough with the "Tweener" terminology already. No need to parrot everything Jobs uttered. It gets tiresome.

knucklehead
Jul 20, 2012, 05:58 PM
and he'll shoot himself in the foot with it...


freudling's bizarre take on Objectivity:

1. The Web has several sites where they're specifically formatted for mobile phones: the content comes out and doesn't need to be pinched and zoomed. This is not the case for tweeners.

You said it yourself, several sites. Let's see ... that's out of say about 612,843,429 sites on the internet. http://www.howmanyarethere.org/how-many-websites-are-there-in-2012/ Now that's quite some advantage for the iPhone ... In your "objective" opinion of course ...

2. You cannot consistently read fullblown webpages on a Tweener without pinching and zooming.

Again, you manage to forget about the vast majority of the internet, where any tweener will work better than the iPhone.

brentsg
Jul 20, 2012, 06:06 PM
Both 1 & 2 are wrong.

Not only that but a lot of the forced-mobile sites that get served up are simply terrible.

freudling
Jul 21, 2012, 01:18 AM
Both 1 & 2 are wrong. Nexus 7 is a 1280x800 device. It actually displays more content on the screen than 1024x768 iPad. Sure, the screen elements are smaller than 9.7" screen, but not too small. You don't need to pinch & zoom anything, any more so then when you use iPad.

Nexus 7 Chrome browser and overall web browsing experience is excellent by the account of all major reviews (The Verge, Ars Technica, etc), and confirmed by my personal experience. So I don't know where you come up with this stuff.

And please enough with the "Tweener" terminology already. No need to parrot everything Jobs uttered. It gets tiresome.

First, you have no clue what you're talking about. You lack a basic understanding of pixels, resolution, etc. Because the pixels are so much smaller than an iPad 1/2, Websites become tiny on the 7" screen as it sandwiches everything on that size screen. You MUST pinch and zoom. I'm willing to bet you don't own a Nexus 7. I do.

You MUST pinch and zoom. You MUST pinch and zoom. Anyone who says they don't is either lying, delusional, hospitalized, or all of these three.

freudling
Jul 21, 2012, 01:29 AM
You said it yourself, several sites. Let's see ... that's out of say about 612,843,429 sites on the internet. http://www.howmanyarethere.org/how-m...there-in-2012/ Now that's quite some advantage for the iPhone ... In your "objective" opinion of course ...

Who cares how many Websites exist in the world. People frequent a specific subset every day. Vancouver Sun. Macrumors, Travelocity, The Verge, Engadget... the popular sites that people visit everyday... many have mobile versions specifically formatted for smartphones. This is a fact. It's called HTML5 and has taken the world by storm. These sites allow a person to hit these Websites, have tailored content for their smartphone, where they can one handed hold and use the device without the need to pinch and zoom. And even if there were none of these, it doesn't change the fact: you MUST pinch and zoom on tweeners because of how small everything is. So add in 2 handed holding, a lack of sites specifically formatted for them, a ton of pinching and zooming, and you land in tweenerville. This is all a fact.

2. You cannot consistently read fullblown webpages on a Tweener without pinching and zooming.

Again, you manage to forget about the vast majority of the internet, where any tweener will work better than the iPhone.

Show me. Show me how it works better than the iPhone. Show us with your Nexus 7 or whatever tweener you own. Oh, wait! You don't actually own one! But you argue vehemently like you do. Some may refer to people like you as a troll.

Here's how flawed your statement is. When you use a tweener, you lose the ability to:

1. One handed use the device (on the iPhone, for instance, you can use the device with 1 hand, using your thumb to tap, touch, scroll...). And you can take advantage of all of the mobile sites out there.

2. One handed hold. It's much harder to hold a tweener with 1 hand for any length of time.

What do you gain? Nothing. Websites are sandwiched on the screen, you must pinch and zoom... all with a bigger device that needs to be held and used with 2 hands. In other words, it doesn't offer any benefit over your smartphone and makes you compromise.

Keep coming knucklehead, I'll school you like I did last time.

And I'm serious: I'll post pictures of what this Website looks like on a Nexus 7 next to an iPad 2. And once I do that, you'll be running for the hills like last time.

MacNowhere
Jul 21, 2012, 09:14 AM
I'm willing to bet you don't own a Nexus 7. I do.

No you don't. You don't own Nexus 7. Probably never ever seen one in person. You have been ranting and raving about "useless 7" tablets" for weeks on MacRumors. So you just made up "owning" one, to add credibility to your rants.

Just like you made up some BS about "custom software testing 7" iPad" in the other thread you created. You have already been called on your lies (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15261296&postcount=384) and thoroughly discredited in that thread. So now, you come to other threads to spread your BS.

Do us all a favor and get lost. You have absolutely no credibility on this subject.

Night Spring
Jul 21, 2012, 09:54 AM
One handed use

I asked this in another thread, but what is this fascination you have with one-handed use? So iPhone, you can use with one hand. iPad you hold with both hands, and extend your fingers from the sides. Or you prop it up against something, like a stand, a pillow, your knees, etc. A seven-inch tablet, you hold with one hand and tap with the other. I don't see how any of these modes is inherently superior to another. It all depends on the context you are using the device in. Standing on a crowded train with one hand grasping the rail, yes, one-handed usage would be needed. There may be several other such situations, but in situations where you have both hands free, then it doesn't matter that you need two hands to use a tweener tablet. And hopefully, people who buy tweeners recognize that ahead of time, and take that into consideration when deciding if a tweener works for them or not.

nishishei
Jul 21, 2012, 12:35 PM
Sure, the screen elements [on ghe nexus 7] are smaller than 9.7" screen, but not too small. You don't need to pinch & zoom anything, any more so then when you use iPad.

Absolutely not true!!!

I have both. The small text rendering on the nexus 7 is horrific. You cant read a science journal PDF on the nexus 7 without zooming. The text is a blur otherwise. I found myself panning all over the place and worse there was serious lag zooming and panning PDFs on the nexus 7 and I tried several apps. What could be read on one page on the new iPad turned into an exercise on the nexus identical to reading on my phone with slower rendering in addition.

info
Jul 21, 2012, 02:59 PM
But how much of that 64GB do you use on a daily basis?

I recently decided to try to look at what I carry around on my iPad 3 64GB and realized I became a mobile hoarder. 95% of it is stuff I rarely/never use like "Bargain" impulse buy apps, way too many videos, a decade of photos etc. So I decided to get rid of it and take over my daughters 16GB iPad2 (she got bored of it a while ago).

What I realized in moving to 16GB is that I'm actually much more efficient since I only have Apps/Videos that I actually want to use and I got money to save for my next toy. Personally, the only thing stopping me from getting a Nexus7 is the pricing of Surface RT. Heck, with the $700 I made from selling my iPad3 then I could probably buy both, but I'm holding back until we see if an iPad 7" actually comes out because thats always been my dream machine.

A "mobile hoarder" is a very appropriate term for the age we live in. I too seem to suffer from the same affliction.

maflynn
Jul 21, 2012, 03:28 PM
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knucklehead
Jul 21, 2012, 04:21 PM
You said it yourself, several sites. Let's see ... that's out of say about 612,843,429 sites on the internet. http://www.howmanyarethere.org/how-m...there-in-2012/ Now that's quite some advantage for the iPhone ... In your "objective" opinion of course ...

Who cares how many Websites exist in the world.

People with open, functional, minds.

People frequent a specific subset every day. Vancouver Sun. Macrumors, Travelocity, The Verge, Engadget... the popular sites that people visit everyday... many have mobile versions specifically formatted for smartphones. This is a fact.

Yep. It's also a fact that many of the apps are worse than the websites.

I had an iPad app subscription to the NY Times that I canceled because the app was worse than the website -- and they charged extra for it. I much preferred the much more powerful navigation of the website, combined with saving articles to Instapaper or Readability for a much better and customizable reading experience than the app gave. Also, any customized apps that can be made for the iPhone sized web experience, could also be made geared to a mid sized device.

I can appreciate that some people might prefer training wheels, and not even realize how much flexibility they are giving up having them bolted on.


It's called HTML5 and has taken the world by storm. These sites allow a person to hit these Websites, have tailored content for their smartphone, where they can one handed hold and use the device without the need to pinch and zoom. And even if there were none of these, it doesn't change the fact: you MUST pinch and zoom on tweeners because of how small everything is. So add in 2 handed holding, a lack of sites specifically formatted for them, a ton of pinching and zooming, and you land in tweenerville. This is all a fact.

And it's a fact that many people are fine with that. I already zoom on websites on my iPad, and I'd be fine doing it a bit more on a somewhat smaller device.

You keep mentioning 2 handed holding like it's some sort of fact -- You're clearly wrong there.


2. You cannot consistently read fullblown webpages on a Tweener without pinching and zooming.

Again, you manage to forget about the vast majority of the internet, where any tweener will work better than the iPhone.

Show me. Show me how it works better than the iPhone. Show us with your Nexus 7 or whatever tweener you own. Oh, wait! You don't actually own one! But you argue vehemently like you do. Some may refer to people like you as a troll.

I don't own a Nexus 7. I'm looking for one, but they're all sold out in Austin as far as I've seen. Where have I ever argued that I do. You're connection to reality seems to be highly idiosyncratic.

Here's how flawed your statement is. When you use a tweener, you lose the ability to:

1. One handed use the device (on the iPhone, for instance, you can use the device with 1 hand, using your thumb to tap, touch, scroll...).

Yes, it 's obviously larger than an iPhone, and would have to be used a bit differently -- So what?


And you can take advantage of all of the mobile sites out there.

That statement simple doesn't make any sense, as discussed above.

2. One handed hold. It's much harder to hold a tweener with 1 hand for any length of time.

But better than a full size iPad.

What do you gain?

Again, see comment above.

Nothing. Websites are sandwiched on the screen, you must pinch and zoom... all with a bigger device that needs to be held and used with 2 hands.

More nonsense statements in there that I shouldn't need to point out again.


In other words, it doesn't offer any benefit over your smartphone and makes you compromise.

It will offer much of the benefits that a lager size device such as an iPad offers over an iPhone, while offering one handed holding, and increased portably over the iPad.

Keep coming knucklehead, I'll school you like I did last time.

I'm still laughing about your last efforts ... Keep it up!

And I'm serious: I'll post pictures of what this Website looks like on a Nexus 7 next to an iPad 2. And once I do that, you'll be running for the hills like last time.

I'm not runnig for any hills freudling -- just not wasting my time wading through your never ending BS.

"But even though you can't really figure anything out, you will be responsible for it on the midterm"
Once again - A Serious Man 2011

freudling
Jul 21, 2012, 06:05 PM
"But even though you can't really figure anything out, you will be responsible for it on the midterm"
Once again - A Serious Man 2011

People with open, functional, minds.

Unicorns are interesting. This has more meaning than the above.

People frequent a specific subset every day. Vancouver Sun. Macrumors, Travelocity, The Verge, Engadget... the popular sites that people visit everyday... many have mobile versions specifically formatted for smartphones. This is a fact.

Yep. It's also a fact that many of the apps are worse than the websites.

I had an iPad app subscription to the NY Times that I canceled because the app was worse than the website -- and they charged extra for it. I much preferred the much more powerful navigation of the website, combined with saving articles to Instapaper or Reeder for a much better and customizable reading experience than the app gave. Also, any customized apps that can be made for the iPhone sized web experience, could also be made geared to a mid sized device.

Sure they could be made for tweeners. I'd like to see developers waste their time developing for a deadend category though. Until then, the Web is the way it is, and it's not optimized for tweeners. But besides that, fullblown Websites look BETTER on my iPhone than they do on the Sexus.

I can appreciate that some people might prefer training wheels, and not even realize how much flexibility they are giving up having them bolted on.

Making sense? Good old knuck.

And it's a fact that many people are fine with that. I already zoom on websites on my iPad, and I'd be fine doing it a bit more on a somewhat smaller device.

If you had to pick a device that was smaller than an iPad as you were being carted off to a deserted island, and someone put a tweener and a smartphone in front of you... I'd bet you'd take the smartphone. The point is that I do more pinching and zooming on the Tweener than my iPhone because:

1. The way the text is rendered on the tweener is very small, in some cases SMALLER than how it appears on my iPhone.
2. The screen is nowhere near as sharp as it is on my iPhone.
3. The tweener's screen is small enough that Webpages get squished down to a awkwardly small size: small enough to offer effectively zero benefit over my smartphone in most cases.

You keep mentioning 2 handed holding like it's some sort of fact -- You're clearly wrong there.

You cannot reliably pinch, tap, zoom, scroll, etc. the tweener with only one hand while holding it with just 1 hand. You can with a smartphone, which is what makes it so useful in daily life because of the portability.

I don't own a Nexus 7. I'm looking for one, but they're all sold out in Austin as far as I've seen. Where have I ever argued that I do. You're connection to reality seems to be highly idiosyncratic.

Maybe Alex Jones has one?

Yes, it 's obviously larger than an iPhone, and would have to be used a bit differently -- So what?

The big so what is that the smartphone offers the full Internet in such a small, pockeable form factor that can be used almost anywhere: busy streets, the subway while you're holding food in another hand, running through an airport... the Tweener has much more limited use because of how big it is yet if offers no better a Web experience compared to the smartphone. So you compromise by using a device much larger and heavier without gaining anything in the Web department. I actually can't think of 1 thing that the tweener is better at compared to a smartphone, and I've been trying as hard as I can using the Sexus over the past 3 days to find one.

Let's look at it. How about reading freudling? Yeah... I tried, tried to read some PDFs on the Sexus and it was a waste of time: same pinch and zoom affair as it is on the iPhone, but the iPhone renders the PDFs much better. What about book books? I can use my thumb to swipe from page to page in iBooks Author on the iPhone, meanwhile the tweener requires two hands and it's heavier. On and on.

That statement simple doesn't make any sense, as discussed above.

It does make sense.

But better than a full size iPad.

But much worse than a smartphone which is the point. You're stuck with this unweildly device just like the iPad. Yet, you get nary any of the benefits of an iPad but several of its compromises. If I'm going to scale up, I'm going for the iPad because it offers such a large screen. My Sexus just collects dust on the table. Jobs was spot on with his comments:

Tablets are tweeners, too big to compete with a smartphone and too small to compete with an iPad.

More nonsense statements in there that I shouldn't need to point out again.

The only nonsense statements are statements made, like yours, that are unqualified and have zero support behind them.

It will offer much of the benefits that a lager size device such as an iPad offers over an iPhone, while offering one handed holding, and increased portably over the iPad.

Let's see how wrong you are:

1. The Sexus's screen is less than half the surface area compared to the iPad. When you try and read things like PDFs or even fullblown Websites, everything is squished and small on the screen you have to pinch and zoom everywhere. Therefore, the size of the screen offers very little benefit over a smartphone.
2. You cannot 1 hand hold the device and use it at the same time. And in our usability test yesterday, the girls we tested it on in the office (there was only 4 so sample size is basically nothing), found it to be heavy quickly when holding it in one hand. Regardless, to use it properly, it's a device that demands 2 hands. Therefore, no benefit here either: the same compromise as the iPad with a tiny screen in comparison.
3. Portability: yes, it's smaller. But since it's not pocketable, it's not that portable and ends up in the same places as the iPad: suitcase, bag, etc.

I'm still laughing about your last efforts ... Keep it up!

And I'm laughing at your attempt to pretend like you're a UI designer, trying to use Fitts that I introduced you to, etc. Now that was a laugh.

I'm not runnig for any hills freudling -- just not wasting my time wading through your never ending BS.

The only never ending BS is what flies onto your computer screen from your paws.

"But even though you can't really figure anything out, you will be responsible for it on the midterm"
Once again - A Serious Man 2011

Once again, knucklehead earns his name.

knucklehead
Jul 22, 2012, 06:11 PM
I don't own a Nexus 7. I'm looking for one, but they're all sold out in Austin as far as I've seen. Where have I ever argued that I do. You're connection to reality seems to be highly idiosyncratic.

Maybe Alex Jones has one?



Way to go freudling!

I almost missed this, what with the way all your repetitious drivel only serves to put one to sleep at this point ...

I don't see a store named "Alex Jones" in the area. Could you provide me with the contact info please? I'll head there tomorrow!