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baaadboy
Jul 15, 2012, 04:27 AM
Hi there folks,

I have been an iPhone user since iPhone 3G and owned every iPhone iteration ever since.

In the meantime I would always check out competing android phones before each upgrade to see if they caught up to iPhone. The deal breaker for me then was that android phones didn't have as fluid UI as iphone.

After seeing the leaked images of iPhone 5 parts, i decided to finally jump ship. Making a phone just taller doesn't cut it for me. I use my phone in portrait mode 95 percent of the time and not increasing the width is a deal breaker.

I have finally bought an international version of Samsung Galaxy S3 with Quad-Core CPU.

What I liked about S3:

1. Amazing 4.8 inch screen. Before I bought S3, I always had to carry my iPad just in case if I needed to surf the net on the go because surfing on 3.5 screen is very uncomfortable. Now since I have S3, I haven't touched my iPad for weeks. While 4.8 screen can't replace an iPad, it's usable enough to not have to carry iPad wherever I go.

2. I can finally access files on my device(it has a file manager).

3. Can transfer files over bluetooth.

4. Don't have to use iTunes, I can just drag and drop mp3 files onto the device as I would do with a thump drive.

5. It has "true" multi-tasking.

6. Android doesn't lag in UI as it used to in 2.2 and 2.3. Overall the UI is as fluid as iPhone's

What I miss on S3:

1. iOS copy and paste is arguable slightly more usable, but maybe I am just not used to Android's implementation yet.

2. Slightly better selection of games in the App Store.


Overall I was very tired of the same old iOS. After seeing iOS 6 announcement, I finally realized how far ahead Android is.

At this rate of people jumping ship, I would be very worried if I were Apple.

I am not bashing Apple, I love their products, but I really couldn't wait another 1-2 years until they add features that have been available on android since 2.3



roxxette
Jul 15, 2012, 04:54 AM
The things you point really are making me do the switch either to android or win7 phones but theres other thing to consider atleast for me regarding the money spent in the appstore plus the "solid" integration with my other apple devices and macs.

Be sure to update your post after more days of usage, im sure theres a lot of us interested what you miss or what have you replaced.

Baytriple
Jul 15, 2012, 05:10 AM
I just saw a friends phone. The one you are talking about. It was pretty impressive to look at. The screen is weird though. It's not a phone it's a mini iPad wannabe.

Way to big to be classed as something you can stick in your jeans pocket! I'll keep my iPhone thanks but enjoy your tech. ;-)

bristleworm
Jul 15, 2012, 05:20 AM
Nice to hear you're happy with Android. While I personally don't want a phone bigger than my current 4S, I can understand why some people like a bigger screen.


At this rate of people jumping ship, I would be very worried if I were Apple.


I think it would be really interesting to get numbers on this. But I have no idea where to find something on this and I don't know of any study on it.

ixodes
Jul 15, 2012, 05:40 AM
but theres other thing to consider atleast for me regarding the money spent in the appstore plus the "solid" integration with my other apple devices and macs.
I use & enjoy both an iPhone 4S and a new Galaxy S III.

I've been using Android along with iOS for a few years now. I keep up with iOS because I'm a longtime Mac user. Yet I must admit when it comes to smartphones this new Galaxy S III has really made a giant leap forward in both hardware & the Andoid OS.

What many non-Android users are unaware of is that Android smartphones are stand alone computers that don't require being backed up to another computer like iPhones do. Nor are they dependent on another device to be setup or activated like iOS has been.

Android being a fully functional computer with a file system is a stand alone device that interfaces beautifully with each of my Macs. Being a completely independent device is a huge advantage for Android. And believe me I'm a die hard MacBook Pro user that has been using Apple computers since 1991.

I'd never bash an iPhone OR an Android. They each have their merits.

As far as saying "while I already have so much invested in iOS apps". Yes that's true and I know how you feel. But that's like saying I've already invested so much, I'm going to let that hold me back from progressing to an even greater experience.

Believe me, once you get a new Galaxy S III you are so happy you quickly forget what you've spent in the past.

Finally, I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy an Android, that's a personal decision. I'm not an "us vs them" type of enthusiast. I like all forms of devices & platforms.

What I am interested in is setting the record straight by sharing my knowledge in a neutral fashion so people have good information with which to make their own decision.

ixodes
Jul 15, 2012, 05:59 AM
I just saw a friends phone. The one you are talking about. It was pretty impressive to look at.

Way to big to be classed as something you can stick in your jeans pocket! I'll keep my iPhone thanks but enjoy your tech. ;-)

Let's use the facts.

The Galaxy S III is only: 1/2" wider & a bit over 3/4" taller. See below

Galaxy S III - 4.8" display
137.6 x 71.6 x 8.6 mm

iPhone 4S - 3.5" display
115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3 mm

137.6 = Height
115.2
22.4mm = 0.88" taller

71.6 = Width
58.6
13.0mm = 0.51" wider

This _proves_ that you can have a gorgeous & very spacious 4.8" display... in a phone only marginally larger than a tiny iPhone.

I find my Galaxy S III just as easy to carry & use as my iPhone 4S.

Moccasin
Jul 15, 2012, 06:17 AM
Let's use the facts.

The Galaxy S III is only: 1/2" wider & a bit over 3/4" taller. See below

Galaxy S III - 4.8" display
137.6 x 71.6 x 8.6 mm

iPhone 4S - 3.5" display
115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3 mm

137.6 = Height
115.2
22.4mm = 0.88" taller

71.6 = Width
58.6
13.0mm = 0.51" wider

This _proves_ that you can have a gorgeous & very spacious 4.8" display... in a phone only marginally larger than a tiny iPhone.

I find my Galaxy S III just as easy to carry & use as my iPhone 4S.

Having helped set up my brother's fiancee's S3 yesterday, I really can't agree that its only slightly bigger than the iPhone - its about 20% larger in both height and width.

I keep my phone in my pocket most of the time and would not be able to do that with the S3 - its too big to keep there and be comfortable or to avoid being worried about breaking it.

That's my feeling - I'm sure others have other views. I would be reluctant to change to a much bigger phone than I have now.

roxxette
Jul 15, 2012, 07:04 AM
The size of the phone is hardly a problem, i see people saying they cant put a phone just a little bigger than the iphone in pants pocket a lot but personally i call that bs...... Unless you use extremely tight pants :) or i guess you didnt have a cellphone back in the day or never owned the big boys of nokia.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 07:28 AM
At this rate of people jumping ship, I would be very worried if I were Apple.

Lol. I assure you, Apple has nothing to worry about.

mproudfoot
Jul 15, 2012, 08:09 AM
I, too, made the switch to the S3 yesterday from the Iphone (I've had the original iPhone, a 3Gs and a 4). Well, I say switch but I'm currently running them both until I decide which to stick with.

Some observations:


Without rooting the S3, it's not quite as customizable out of the box as many would have you believe. You're pretty limited as to what you can show on the lockscreen in terms of notifications - e.g. when I wake my IP4 up, it shows me recent emails/Fb notifications etc on the screen. The S3 just shows me a tiny icon at the top (and flashes an LED which is like something I didn't use in the 90s never mind now). You can do all sorts with the UI when you root it but then, my IP4 is jailbroken and I'm fairly sure I could do just as much on that.

I'm having real issues pairing the S3 to my car (Lexus IS220d) - it pairs, but when if i do anything else with bluetooth (e.g. stream music or copy address book entries), it loses the phone profile and won't reconnect until I remove the pairing and re-pair it. Googling and looking up various forums indicates that it's a common issue with no real fix yet.

That said, it *is* nice to be able to send address book entries via BT - something my IP4 cannot manage without a JB app (to the Lexus at least)

Google Play is ok to navigate through but the content is not a patch on the App Store, most of the apps i use regularly on iOS are there but I find most to be slightly more expensive.. I thought it would be the other way around.

I do like that I can set default apps for specific actions - for example when I click on a url in any app, it asks me which browser I want to use (and can be set as default).

The stock music app is "ok" but misses a lot of features such as gapless audio. AVRCP 1.3 is supported in the S3 but USB audio is not (at least until Jelly Bean and I'm not talking about USB storage file access but actually media streaming through USB as per iPod/iPhone).

The samsung email app has issues with some exchange server configurations. I cannot get it to connect to my client's exchange server at all where my IP4/iPad has no issues. To get around it, I installed the leading Android Exchange client which was £12 - a touch pricey for something I take for granted as a built in feature in iOS.

I agree that the plastic back does not feel as good as the IP4.. however, I consider that a small price to pay for being able to replace the battery (and even the back cover if I choose to).

WiFi seems a little weaker than my IP4 - putting both side by side or swapping one with the other in the same location and the S3 seems to indicate a much lower signal strength. It might just be the way it's displayed but it does seem to drop the wifi connection way before my IP4 does.

The quick access to various fuctions (flight mode, mobile data etc) from the drop down notifications (even when locked) is excellent - negates the need for something like SBSettings to avoid digging into iOS menus.



Looking up, I realise many of these are negatives towards the S3. However, I do actually like the device - the screen is very nice for pretty much any activity, it feels good in the hand and I've not experienced any performance issues. Battery performance seems to be roughly on par with the IP4 (still being tested though) and I way prefer having a MicroUSB connection to the proprietary Apple one (i can now share a charging cable between my Kindle, S3 and MyFi mobile broadband device).

My plan is to probably pass the IP4 to my partner (and she will retire the 3GS) and stick with the S3 until late fall and make a decision about whether to grab an IP5 or not.

baaadboy
Jul 15, 2012, 08:28 AM
Lol. I assure you, Apple has nothing to worry about.

With 59 percent android marketshare, It really does!

Besides , samsung sold just as many S2's last year as apple did iPhones.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-sales-triple-in-last-year-beat-iphone-sales-50007807/

iosuser
Jul 15, 2012, 09:16 AM
Well, Apple prefers to let their pocketbook do the talking, not so much with market share.. That 59% figure is from God knows how many different Android devices combined, versus Apple's one iPhone. I avoided Android like a plague since the 3GS, but I am very impressed with Jelly Bean on the Nexus. Unless Apple surprises everyone with a bigger screen horizontally, I suspect even more will jump ship.

After living with ICS and now Jelly Bean for a week, some things really are much easier than on the iPhone. One thing I was semi afraid to give up is Photo Stream. I take quick snaps on the 4S and edit on my MBP to post online quite often. It is just great when I open iPhoto on my Mac that the photos are already there. Well, a quick search on Google Play store I found countless file managers with SMB access. So now I can do the same on my PC and just grab the photos from my network share, or watch a video stored on the network.

Admittedly I've never looked into accessing Windows shares from my iPhone. I just assumed this is not something Apple will allow.

With 59 percent android marketshare, It really does!

Besides , samsung sold just as many S2's last year as apple did iPhones.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-sales-triple-in-last-year-beat-iphone-sales-50007807/

phpmaven
Jul 15, 2012, 09:29 AM
Lol. I assure you, Apple has nothing to worry about.

Well, I can assure you that they do. I'm not saying anything crazy like "Apple is doomed!". They will always be wildly successful as a company and make great products, but if the new form factor for the iPhone turns out to be true, it will be one of the biggest blunders they have ever made.

The competition has gotten so much better in the last year and more and more people are jumping ship or thinking about it. You can tell a lot just from the overall attitude towards android phones on these forums just in the last few months.

Sure they will sell lots of them, but I can really see the tide turning to where they will have a smaller and smaller percentage of the market. Not just because of the ridiculously stupid idea of just making the phone taller, but because of how much better the competition's phones and OS are lately. Not to mention Windows 8 phone OS which is coming soon and looks very good.

Ya, they have a lot to worry about.

sk1wbw
Jul 15, 2012, 09:29 AM
With 59 percent android marketshare, It really does!

Besides , samsung sold just as many S2's last year as apple did iPhones.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-sales-triple-in-last-year-beat-iphone-sales-50007807/

People don't "buy" Android. They "buy" HTC or Samsung or any of the other brands out there. This is a tired argument just like the Windows vs Mac thing.

-A-P-M-
Jul 15, 2012, 11:02 AM
I get really bored with iPhone 4S especially when I saw that iOS6 looks same again. I sold iPhone 4S for a good price and decided to try Samsung Galaxy S3 (i9300, internation version) and if I wouldn't like it, I could trade it for next iPhone in a few months. But I was blown away with SGS3, its stunning phone. Android really did great step forward, ICS is really polished (Gingerbread was ugly, but ICS looks great, is fast and polished). Display on iPhone is a joke compared to SGS3 screen. Also SGS3 have very ergonomic design so it doesn't feel too big in a hand - actualy it feels better than iPhone 4S and got better grip. Also everything is much more open, I can set MP3 as ringtone or alarm tone without any problems (for example, in iPhone I had to jailbreak it, then bought PlayAwake tweak in Cydia and then I was able to set MP3 as a ringtone). Anyway, in SGS3 I can do almost everything I want, everything is polished, very easy to use, works without any force closes (on iPhone I had a lot of force closes and "LowMemory" issues in Diagnostic). So It was right choice to get SGS3, because its stunning phone.

xraydoc
Jul 15, 2012, 11:05 AM
After living with ICS and now Jelly Bean for a week, some things really are much easier than on the iPhone. One thing I was semi afraid to give up is Photo Stream. I take quick snaps on the 4S and edit on my MBP to post online quite often. It is just great when I open iPhoto on my Mac that the photos are already there. Well, a quick search on Google Play store I found countless file managers with SMB access. So now I can do the same on my PC and just grab the photos from my network share, or watch a video stored on the network.


A Photostream "replacement" on Android, I've discovered, can be had with either Google+ or Dropbox. Both offer automatic upload of photos via either wifi only or over wifi+cellular. Going the Dropbox route makes importing in to iPhoto pretty easy since they're already mirrored on your Mac's Dropbox folder.

jkim3691
Jul 15, 2012, 11:59 AM
I also decided to leave iOS after having it ever since the first iPhone came out. The deal breaker for Android for me was the laggy UI as well. After Jelly Bean came out and seeing what iOS6 added along with the rumors for the iPhone 5, I was done. I've always been someone that liked to tweak my phone to make it the way I want it so this was my perfect opportunity.

super michael
Jul 15, 2012, 01:14 PM
Its not the size of the samsung galaxy 3 that is the problem, the problem is that some shorts and trouser pockets are too small. Heck I want to buy short jeans but the pocket is too small, my Samsung galaxy ace which is 3.5 like an Iphone can fall out easy.

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 01:28 PM
Lol. I assure you, Apple has nothing to worry about.

Yes and no...they will still sell well no doubt but the fact that they keep suing tells me they are worried. They werent suing anybody when they were still king of the mountain. Now that mountain is geting crowded and they are sliding down and dont like it.

So, are they going to be in trouble? NO, but they are going to lose a lot of customers in the phone market and already have. The new iPhone will sell very well, that goes without argument but the fact that 4" is still too small for many, they wont retain a good portion of their fanbase.

Not to mention there will be leaks and mentions of the new Nexus while the new iPhone is coming out and some will wait for that too which is said to be in November.

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 01:42 PM
I, too, made the switch to the S3 yesterday from the Iphone (I've had the original iPhone, a 3Gs and a 4). Well, I say switch but I'm currently running them both until I decide which to stick with.

Some observations:


Without rooting the S3, it's not quite as customizable out of the box as many would have you believe. You're pretty limited as to what you can show on the lockscreen in terms of notifications - e.g. when I wake my IP4 up, it shows me recent emails/Fb notifications etc on the screen. The S3 just shows me a tiny icon at the top (and flashes an LED which is like something I didn't use in the 90s never mind now). You can do all sorts with the UI when you root it but then, my IP4 is jailbroken and I'm fairly sure I could do just as much on that.

I'm having real issues pairing the S3 to my car (Lexus IS220d) - it pairs, but when if i do anything else with bluetooth (e.g. stream music or copy address book entries), it loses the phone profile and won't reconnect until I remove the pairing and re-pair it. Googling and looking up various forums indicates that it's a common issue with no real fix yet.

That said, it *is* nice to be able to send address book entries via BT - something my IP4 cannot manage without a JB app (to the Lexus at least)

Google Play is ok to navigate through but the content is not a patch on the App Store, most of the apps i use regularly on iOS are there but I find most to be slightly more expensive.. I thought it would be the other way around.

I do like that I can set default apps for specific actions - for example when I click on a url in any app, it asks me which browser I want to use (and can be set as default).

The stock music app is "ok" but misses a lot of features such as gapless audio. AVRCP 1.3 is supported in the S3 but USB audio is not (at least until Jelly Bean and I'm not talking about USB storage file access but actually media streaming through USB as per iPod/iPhone).

The samsung email app has issues with some exchange server configurations. I cannot get it to connect to my client's exchange server at all where my IP4/iPad has no issues. To get around it, I installed the leading Android Exchange client which was £12 - a touch pricey for something I take for granted as a built in feature in iOS.

I agree that the plastic back does not feel as good as the IP4.. however, I consider that a small price to pay for being able to replace the battery (and even the back cover if I choose to).

WiFi seems a little weaker than my IP4 - putting both side by side or swapping one with the other in the same location and the S3 seems to indicate a much lower signal strength. It might just be the way it's displayed but it does seem to drop the wifi connection way before my IP4 does.

The quick access to various fuctions (flight mode, mobile data etc) from the drop down notifications (even when locked) is excellent - negates the need for something like SBSettings to avoid digging into iOS menus.



Looking up, I realise many of these are negatives towards the S3. However, I do actually like the device - the screen is very nice for pretty much any activity, it feels good in the hand and I've not experienced any performance issues. Battery performance seems to be roughly on par with the IP4 (still being tested though) and I way prefer having a MicroUSB connection to the proprietary Apple one (i can now share a charging cable between my Kindle, S3 and MyFi mobile broadband device).

My plan is to probably pass the IP4 to my partner (and she will retire the 3GS) and stick with the S3 until late fall and make a decision about whether to grab an IP5 or not.

Its only been 1 day. You will find many other things as days go by that you can do that you didnt know about. I also want to point out that the plastic back also allows for NFC functions. It wouldnt work with an aluminum or metal back cover.

The stock music player is ok by me but i use PowerAmp.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 01:44 PM
Well, I can assure you that they do. I'm not saying anything crazy like "Apple is doomed!". They will always be wildly successful as a company and make great products, but if the new form factor for the iPhone turns out to be true, it will be one of the biggest blunders they have ever made.

The competition has gotten so much better in the last year and more and more people are jumping ship or thinking about it. You can tell a lot just from the overall attitude towards android phones on these forums just in the last few months.

Sure they will sell lots of them, but I can really see the tide turning to where they will have a smaller and smaller percentage of the market. Not just because of the ridiculously stupid idea of just making the phone taller, but because of how much better the competition's phones and OS are lately. Not to mention Windows 8 phone OS which is coming soon and looks very good.

Ya, they have a lot to worry about.

Yes and no...they will still sell well no doubt but the fact that htey keep suing tells me they are worried. They werent suing anybody when the were still king of the mountain. Now that mountain is geting crowded and they are sliding down and dont like it.

So, are they going to be in trouble? NO, but they are going to lose a lot of customers in the phone market and already have. The new iPhone will sell very well, that goes without argument but the fact that 4" is still too small for many, they wont retain a good portion of their fanbase.

Not to mention there will be leaks and mentions of the new Nexus while the new iPhone is coming out and some will wait for that too which is said to be in November.

That's why they'll never really be in worried. People will always buy iPhones and there will always be new customers. There are also many people on Android who are are just there till the iPhone gets a bigger screen or LTE. You cannot tell me people aren't going to be the next iPhone because of the design as though it's a flawed one or ugly one. The Galaxy S has only received tweaks over the years as have devices live The EVO and the Nexus, yet people still buy them.

The reason people are dissatisfied is because they are expecting too much of Apple. They want this size screen, that camera, this feature, and that feature when they know that's not something Apple would do. Since Apple started with the iPhone / iPhone OS, they've always released feature packed software updates.

Look at this picture:

http://cdn.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/field/image/2012/07/ios_vs_ios_comparison_chart.jpg

The past two OS updates have each had roughly / over 200 new features. Find me an Android update that had that many new features / tweaks / enhancements in one OS update, or one with 10 new major features. Apple is trying to appeal to the average consumer, not people who like to manage file systems and do all this other complicated stuff with widgets and all that. It's all to cumbersome which is why Apple has stuck to tweaking interface stuff slightly over the years alongside trying to add features that everyone wants, rather than overhauling the UI year of year like Android and the manufacturer skins do.

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 01:46 PM
Well, Apple prefers to let their pocketbook do the talking, not so much with market share.. That 59% figure is from God knows how many different Android devices combined, versus Apple's one iPhone. I avoided Android like a plague since the 3GS, but I am very impressed with Jelly Bean on the Nexus. Unless Apple surprises everyone with a bigger screen horizontally, I suspect even more will jump ship.

After living with ICS and now Jelly Bean for a week, some things really are much easier than on the iPhone. One thing I was semi afraid to give up is Photo Stream. I take quick snaps on the 4S and edit on my MBP to post online quite often. It is just great when I open iPhoto on my Mac that the photos are already there. Well, a quick search on Google Play store I found countless file managers with SMB access. So now I can do the same on my PC and just grab the photos from my network share, or watch a video stored on the network.

Admittedly I've never looked into accessing Windows shares from my iPhone. I just assumed this is not something Apple will allow.

Thats what Dropbox will do for you. Any picture i take with my phone(with DB on it as well) goes to my Dropbox on my PC.

ahfu25
Jul 15, 2012, 01:48 PM
I just saw a friends phone. The one you are talking about. It was pretty impressive to look at. The screen is weird though. It's not a phone it's a mini iPad wannabe.

Way to big to be classed as something you can stick in your jeans pocket! I'll keep my iPhone thanks but enjoy your tech. ;-)

mini ipad wannabe? omg what are these forums coming to?

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 01:58 PM
That's why they'll never really be in worried. People will always buy iPhones and there will always be new customers. There are also many people on Android who are are just there till the iPhone gets a bigger screen or LTE. You cannot tell me people aren't going to be the next iPhone because of the design as though it's a flawed one or ugly one. The Galaxy S has only received tweaks over the years as have devices live The EVO and the Nexus, yet people still buy them.

The reason people are dissatisfied is because they are expecting too much of Apple. They want this size screen, that camera, this feature, and that feature when they know that's not something Apple would do. Since Apple started with the iPhone / iPhone OS, they've always released feature packed software updates.

Its asking too much of Apple to keep up with everyone else? :rolleyes: Your kidding right? Apple is asking premium prices for something that is behind.

People want more and are seeing it from Android. The only thing keeping many other from Android was it just wasnt as stable. That has changed and their OS has exceeded Apples and with how they push out and have dedication to makinig it better, they will continue to keep leaping forward while Apple does their once a year thing.....and keeps falling behind.

The new iPhone looks pretty much like the last two devices but a half inch taller and it doesnt look like the iOS will look much different either. People get bored and it has been mentioned many times here.

I mean a 4" screen was so 2010 :D

And it always going to be locked down.

The past two OS updates have each had roughly / over 200 new features. Find me an Android update that had that many new features / tweaks / enhancements in one OS update, or one with 10 new major features. Apple is trying to appeal to the average consumer, not people who like to manage file systems and do all this other complicated stuff with widgets and all that. It's all to cumbersome which is why Apple has stuck to tweaking interface stuff slightly over the years alongside trying to add features that everyone wants, rather than overhauling the UI year of year like Android and the manufacturer skins do.

No problem. Too many to list so you will have to use the link. And remember, those are changes just from ICS which some have been improved. So your wrong again, Enjoy!
Also, i dont see 200 new features in your picture.

Jelly Bean Updates (http://www.android.com/about/jelly-bean/)

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 02:20 PM
Its asking too much of Apple to keep up with everyone else? :rolleyes: Your kidding right? Apple is asking premium prices for something that is behind.

People want more and are seeing it from Android. The only thing keeping many other from Android was it just wasnt as stable. That has changed and their OS has exceeded Apples and with how they push out and have dedication to makinig it better, they will continue to keep leaping forward while Apple does their once a year thing.....and keeps falling behind.

The new iPhone looks pretty much like the last two devices but a half inch taller and it doesnt look like the iOS will look much different either. People get bored and it has been mentioned many times here.

I mean a 4" screen was so 2010 :D

And it always going to be locked down.

No, it's only behind because you think it's behind. Apple is moving at a steady pace. Apple is asking the same price for the iPhone as Samsung is asking for the Galaxy S3 and the One X and other Android devices. The only reason Android is moving so fast is because there are so many companies manufacturing devices, most of which can't even keep up with Google's software development. Sure it's moving fast, but it's obvious it's way too fast, which is why people think Apple is moving slow. The Galaxy S3 looks pretty similar to the last two models; a middle button and two capacitive button. The difference is the corners are more rounded. Otherwise it's the same plastic / polycarbonate (still looks like plastic, you wouldn't know the difference), the same TouchWiz except more gimicky features you'll probably never use.

Again, Apple is moving at a steady and controllable pace while Android is all over the place. They have a plan with what they are releasing and when whereas with Android you've got one company making an Android 4.0 device months after it was announced, and then the next software iteration announced a few days later by Google (which isn't announced the same time every year), and it's just a mess. Devices being released left and right and software updates being released inconsistently and not to all devices. It's crazy.

I think a majority of people (most being average consumers) will stay with the iPhone while the small percentage of users will move away, those being the "geeks" or people like us on this forum (not me :P). The iPhone just proves how unnecessary the features Android phones have are, even though they're nice to have. Sure Apple will announce their own version of Android stuff but that's just what companies do and it's not just Apple.

And back to what you said before about Apple suing companies. When you've got a patent, you want to protect it, whether outsiders think it hinders the advancing of technology or not. "We filed for over 200 patents for all the inventions in iPhone and we intend to protect them." There's no other way to explain it. I'm sure if you had a company and someone infringed on your patents you'd want to protect them too. It's just that Apple is a larger and more renown company which is why when they do something to protect a patent, it's magnified greatly.

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No problem. Too many to list so you will have to use the link. And remember, those are changes just from ICS which some have been improved. So your wrong again, Enjoy!
Also, i dont see 200 new features in your picture.

Jelly Bean Updates (http://www.android.com/about/jelly-bean/)

That's not what the picture is meant to show. If you read it, you'd see it only mentions tentpoles, which are the major features.

Wikipedia has a running list of each and every tentpole with all the tweaks and enhancements under them. I know you won't look, but here's the link nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#Version_history:_portable_iOS_devices

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 02:36 PM
No, it's only behind because you think it's behind. Apple is moving at a steady pace.

LOL, its behind at the steady pace of once a year which is slower than the compitition.

Apple is asking the same price for the iPhone as Samsung is asking for the Galaxy S3 and the One X and other Android devices.

Really? Go try and buy all three right now off contract and let me know which is the most expensive. You will find it is the oldest one.

The only reason Android is moving so fast is because there are so many companies manufacturing devices, most of which can't even keep up with Google's software development.

What? Seems the new devices are coming along fine. Its the demand that has it slowed. You know, like when Apple couldnt keep up with demand on the new phones.

Sure it's moving fast, but it's obvious it's way too fast, which is why people think Apple is moving slow. The Galaxy S3 looks pretty similar to the last two models;a middle button and two capacitive button. The difference is the corners are more rounded. Otherwise it's the same plastic / polycarbonate (still looks like plastic, you wouldn't know the difference), the same TouchWiz except more gimicky features you'll probably never use.

Right....dude the GS3 is a big change. Much more than the iP5 change will be from their last two phones. Same look, half inch taller with feature YOU will never use. Seems all you need is a flip phone, not a smartphone.


And back to what you said before about Apple suing companies. When you've got a patent, you want to protect it, whether outsiders think it hinders the advancing of technology or not. "We filed for over 200 patents for all the inventions in iPhone and we intend to protect them." There's no other way to explain it. I'm sure if you had a company and someone infringed on your patents you'd want to protect them too. It's just that Apple is a larger and more renown company which is why when they do something to protect a patent, it's magnified greatly.

They didnt seem to care when they were on top. Funny how that works.

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That's not what the picture is meant to show. If you read it, you'd see it only mentions tentpoles, which are the major features.

Wikipedia has a running list of each and every tentpole with all the tweaks and enhancements under them. I know you won't look, but here's the link nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#Version_history:_portable_iOS_devices


Regardless, you asked to show you one update that had as many features and i showed you one. You were wrong again!

Technarchy
Jul 15, 2012, 02:40 PM
Been down the android road, never going back. The operating system itself is not a very good product.

It's like moving out of the ghetto. You might have a couple of fond memories but you wouldn't want to live there again.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 02:54 PM
LOL, its behind at the steady pace of once a year which is slower than the compitition.

Nope, still just as steady as the competition: Nexus (released once every year), Galaxy S (released once every year), Evo (released once every year), Atrix (I think there has been one once a year for 3 years). Then there's the random ones which are released sporadically throughout the year like the Droid Razr, various HTC devices, etc.


Really? Go try and buy all three right now off contract and let me know which is the most expensive. You will find it is the oldest one.

I wasn't referring to the off contract price, but on contract, they're all 199.99 for the lowest model. Off contract they're each different, but most people don't buy them off contract anyway. The 4S is the most expensive one, but only by a hundred bucks. If you're gonna buy it off contract, 100 bucks probably wouldn't be a huge deal anyway. But yes, the 4S is the most expensive, even though a majority of purchase on contract anyway.



What? Seems the new devices are coming along fine. Its the demand that has it slowed. You know, like when Apple couldnt keep up with demand on the new phones.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how manufacturers are releasing so many Android models and Google is releasing updates so sporadically that the manufacturers can't update each phone in a timely manner.

Apple is able to keep up because they make both the hardware and software. They can't keep up with the demand for the actual device because they can't make them fast enough. Not sure why you're making that out to be a bad thing... :confused:


Right....dude the GS3 is a big change. Much more than the iP5 change will be from their last two phones. Same look, half inch taller with feature YOU will never use. Seems all you need is a flip phone, not a smartphone.

Not really. The only major change is a bigger screen. Otherwise it has a similar design, the same camera, and nearly identical software. Then there's Samsung's attempt at a Siri competitor which is terrible, lol.

They didnt seem to care when they were on top. Funny how that works.

Not sure what you mean by that because it had nothing to do with what I said, but ok. :)

Regardless, you asked to show you one update that had as many features and i showed you one. You were wrong again!

I don't see 200 new features on that page, pretty close though. Still not bad though.

Sensamic
Jul 15, 2012, 03:02 PM
Lol. I assure you, Apple has nothing to worry about.

Then why are they so eager to ban the Galaxy Nexus and Samsung tablets? If they are not worried...

Vegasryn
Jul 15, 2012, 03:05 PM
Hi there folks,

As a small developer on the side, I have an S3 as well as having had every iPhone. A friendly rebuttal if I may

What I liked about S3:

1. Amazing 4.8 inch screen. Before I bought S3, I always had to carry my iPad just in case if I needed to surf the net on the go because surfing on 3.5 screen is very uncomfortable. Now since I have S3, I haven't touched my iPad for weeks. While 4.8 screen can't replace an iPad, it's usable enough to not have to carry iPad wherever I go. How is it uncomfortable? It IS a Phone after all.

2. I can finally access files on my device(it has a file manager). What files do you need access to that something like dropbox couldn't handle? Yes you can download files directly to the S3 but is it a REAl necessity? Remember it's a phone.

3. Can transfer files over bluetooth.
So can iPhone 4s with Bluetooth 4.0

4. Don't have to use iTunes, I can just drag and drop mp3 files onto the device as I would do with a thump drive. The issues with iTunes are long gone - especially with WiFi sync. The issues with android file system still leaves some novice users wondering why their 32GB sd card cant hold ALL of their stuff as some programs won't install to SD. Yes the S3 has 16GB built in, but you are eventually going to have to uninstall things you dont want to have to, simply because of the poor file system.

5. It has "true" multi-tasking.
Not sure what makes it "true" over superior memory management in iOS. You hold down the home button, your running apps display vs you double tap the home and have your running apps display - both allowing you to close anything.

6. Android doesn't lag in UI as it used to in 2.2 and 2.3. Overall the UI is as fluid as iPhone's

Agreed, and it's supposedly only going to get better with "Project Butter."

What I miss on S3:

1. iOS copy and paste is arguable slightly more usable, but maybe I am just not used to Android's implementation yet.

2. Slightly better selection of games in the App Store.


Overall I was very tired of the same old iOS. After seeing iOS 6 announcement, I finally realized how far ahead Android is.

At this rate of people jumping ship, I would be very worried if I were Apple.
My cousin who works for a major retailer says that iPhone is still the most popular phone and Android having the majority market share is only due to 120934320432490324 different handsets. Just a tiny snapshot, but I think to say "so many" jumping ship based on a few forum posts isn't accurate.

I am not bashing Apple, I love their products, but I really couldn't wait another 1-2 years until they add features that have been available on android since 2.3 .

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Then why are they so eager to ban the Galaxy Nexus and Samsung tablets? If they are not worried...

Not worried, they are protecting their patents. Blame the system for allowing silly things like "slide to unlock" to be patented.

Technarchy
Jul 15, 2012, 03:05 PM
Then why are they so eager to ban the Galaxy Nexus and Samsung tablets? If they are not worried...

You can't ban something arbitrarily. Each case is the result of android stealing intellectual property from iOS, supported by a legal ruling.

Apple must defend their intellectual property or risk being sued by the shareholders, being subject to FTC investigations, and losing access to those IP rights forever.

Don't steal, don't get banned. Easy as pie.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 03:06 PM
Then why are they so eager to ban the Galaxy Nexus and Samsung tablets? If they are not worried...

This is such a poor excuse from Android users. Like I said, every patent-related move by Apple is magnified because they are such a large company. Tell me honestly, if you owned Apple and someone infringed on your patents, whether it be something basic or something advanced, what would you do? Would you let them go ahead and do what they wanted or would you take action, even in an industry with such tight competition?

Dontazemebro
Jul 15, 2012, 03:19 PM
Been down the android road, never going back. The operating system itself is not a very good product.

It's like moving out of the ghetto. You might have a couple of fond memories but you wouldn't want to live there again.

This is as ignorant as a statement can get. Keep enjoying your bliss.

Sensamic
Jul 15, 2012, 03:19 PM
You can't ban something arbitrarily. Each case is the result of android stealing intellectual property from iOS, supported by a legal ruling.

Apple must defend their intellectual property or risk being sued by the shareholders, being subject to FTC investigations, and losing access to those IP rights forever.

Don't steal, don't get banned. Easy as pie.

And its not stealing copying androids notification system? Or the reject call with an SMS? Or the camera lockscreen icon from Windows mobile?

Everyone copies everyone.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 03:21 PM
And its not stealing copying androids notification system? Or the reject call with an SMS? Or the camera lockscreen icon from Windows mobile?

Everyone copies everyone.

There's only so many ways to do certain functions. Plus, they have to be patented. You can't just be like "they stole our features!!!! :'(" and expect to get a ban.

chambone
Jul 15, 2012, 03:27 PM
This _proves_ that you can have a gorgeous & very spacious 4.8" display... in a phone only marginally larger than a tiny iPhone.

This proves that a gs3 is 20% taller and 20% wider than a 4s. Have you looked up the definition of marginal lately?

348140

In order to accurately describe the difference in size between these two phones, I would like to propose the adjective 'significant'.

mattopotamus
Jul 15, 2012, 03:38 PM
I picked up an s3 today and cannot even begin to describe how much better I like it compared to my 4S. Screen size and having real websites is alone worth the transition to me

depths
Jul 15, 2012, 03:38 PM
Strange that they went after the Nexus just as the price dropped to $350 on the play store and it was due to get Jelly Bean.

Universal search is not exclusively to that device.

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 03:39 PM
Nope, still just as steady as the competition: Nexus (released once every year), Galaxy S (released once every year), Evo (released once every year), Atrix (I think there has been one once a year for 3 years). Then there's the random ones which are released sporadically throughout the year like the Droid Razr, various HTC devices, etc.

Their iOS is once a year. Androids is not. The iphone doesnt appear to get a different look...lol. Three years now, same look.




I wasn't referring to the off contract price, but on contract, they're all 199.99 for the lowest model. Off contract they're each different, but most people don't buy them off contract anyway. The 4S is the most expensive one, but only by a hundred bucks. If you're gonna buy it off contract, 100 bucks probably wouldn't be a huge deal anyway. But yes, the 4S is the most expensive, even though a majority of purchase on contract anyway.

I was. How else are you going to compare. Apple still charges more than everyone else for a nearly year old phone so that $100 more is ridiculous. You can get a off contract GNexus for almost half of the 4S.


I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how manufacturers are releasing so many Android models and Google is releasing updates so sporadically that the manufacturers can't update each phone in a timely manner.

If the manufacturers would let just Samsung shoot it to the devices, it would be fine. They send it to HTC, AT&T etc, and it is up to them to get it out. Much like AT&T made you wait for months to have MMS after Apple released it.

Apple is able to keep up because they make both the hardware and software. They can't keep up with the demand for the actual device because they can't make them fast enough. Not sure why you're making that out to be a bad thing... :confused:

They dont make them. They are made in China and they dont keep up. There are weeks with no way to get them after the release so its no different. I dont know why you are making it out to be a bad thing either.


Not really. The only major change is a bigger screen. Otherwise it has a similar design, the same camera, and nearly identical software. Then there's Samsung's attempt at a Siri competitor which is terrible, lol.


:rolleyes: Sure, ok. Ask a GS2 owner how different it is. Sure got a big reaction here as well when the first pictures were released. Anywhere from ugly to beautiful. I guess it looked just like the GS2, huh? :rolleyes:

I dont really care if you are a fanboy but please....those two phones are hardly alike as the new iPhone is to the 4 & 4S.

So your saying ICS is near identical to Gingerbread? :rolleyes:

As for the Siri competitor, you mean Google Now which shows to be much more efficient than Siri? Oh thats right, you dont mind using the links when it dont talk to you. You think it does the exact same thing :rolleyes: Wow


Not sure what you mean by that because it had nothing to do with what I said, but ok. :)

Sure it did. you just ignored it. When they were on top with virtually no competition, they didnt seem to care or sue anyone. Then they copied Androids notifications and drop window.

I don't see 200 new features on that page, pretty close though. Still not bad though.

So you counted them? Did you count the updates for Apple? Ill say no and, no. Id say it is right there with them while you werent expecting much til i showed you, which means, you really dont know and are guessing on these things.

Technarchy
Jul 15, 2012, 03:39 PM
This proves that a gs3 is 20% taller and 20% wider than a 4s. Have you looked up the definition of marginal lately?

348140

In order to accurately describe the difference in size between these two phones, I would like to propose the adjective 'significant'.

To some people having a platter for a phone is a good thing. No thanks.

This is no small size difference either.

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/06/06/279730.jpg

cynics
Jul 15, 2012, 03:41 PM
You can't ban something arbitrarily. Each case is the result of android stealing intellectual property from iOS, supported by a legal ruling.

Apple must defend their intellectual property or risk being sued by the shareholders, being subject to FTC investigations, and losing access to those IP rights forever.

Don't steal, don't get banned. Easy as pie.

But then you have to ask. Why not sue the Chinese iPhone knock offs?

http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/expand_giant_iphone.jpg

Because they aren't even worried if the are even replicas....

Dontazemebro
Jul 15, 2012, 03:45 PM
I used to be all android, ever since the days of the original G1. Never really liked the apple business model but I still appreciated their creativity and product. Now I own an iPhone 4 which is a wonderful device as well as an HTC One X.

At the end of the day though, both operating systems are equally as good. If you haven't delved into android lately it's miles apart from the days of eclair and froyo. Thing is, all the gripes I hear from iphone users don't even exist on today's android platform. Yea you have bugs but I also have the same issues with my iphone.

The days of "it just works" are gone and I wish people would stop using that as an excuse as if android is incapable of performing just as smooth. Trust me android works just as well.

Technarchy
Jul 15, 2012, 03:46 PM
But then you have to ask. Why not sue the Chinese iPhone knock offs?

Image (http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/expand_giant_iphone.jpg)

Because they aren't even worried if the are even replicas....

You are comparing android to the Chinese counterfeit industry?

I can live with this.

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 03:52 PM
To some people having a platter for a phone is a good thing. No thanks.

This is no small size difference either.

Image (http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/06/06/279730.jpg)

I agree, the GS3 is much nicer to use since it isnt so small. Seriously, it isnt as big as i thought it was going to be and though it makes my 4" screen Vibrant look small, it is very usable with one hand and i dont have real big hands.

ahfu25
Jul 15, 2012, 03:56 PM
To some people having a platter for a phone is a good thing. No thanks.

This is no small size difference either.

Image (http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/06/06/279730.jpg)

That S3 looks sexy to me!

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:00 PM
Their iOS is once a year. Androids is not. The phone doesnt appear to get a different look...lol. Three years now, same look.

Yes, but the year is worth the wait. Like I said, at least it's not sporadic and you can expect an OS update. Anyone who bought an Android device within the last few months morethan likely isn't on the latest OS, had to root to get the latest OS, or won't be getting Android 4.0/.1. The reason iOS has maintained almost the same look for years is because changing too many things just startles the user and confuses them. With Android, it isn't an issue because A. most people don't get the latest OS so no one is confused or B. no one is confused because 75% of Android users are tech geeks who love huge overhauls.

I was. How else are you going to compare. Apple still charges more than everyone else for a nearly year old phone so that $100 more is ridiculous. You can get a off contract GNexus for almost half of the 4S.

Ok, well you changed the subject from what I was talking about so you could say you were right. I already knew the 4S was more expensive off contract which is why I wasn't comparing those prices. Sure you can get a Gnex for 350, but not everyone can use an unlocked device. You can't use an unlocked device on Sprint or Verizon. The 4S has the same technologies as the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, and the One X, so how could you say it's an "old phone"?

If the manufacturers would let just Samsung shoot it to the devices, it would be fine. They send it to HTC, AAT&T etc, and it is up to them to get it out. Much like AT&T made you wait for months to have MMS after Apple released it.

But they don't and that's the issue. Plus, most devices can't support Android 4.0. ALSO, Samsung has to code the update too and optimize their bulky user sin to work with the Android update. It's not like they snap their fingers and it all works. That's why manufacturers take months and months to get an update out while Google shoots it right out.

They dont make them. They are made in China and they dont keep up. There are weeks with no way to get them after the release so its no different. I dont know why you are making it out to be a bad thing either.

You know what I mean. I didn't mean Apple builds them at an office in California...:rolleyes: I know they can't keep up and it's because of the high demand, which is why they start production months before release. Apple is not the only company in the world which can't keep up with the demand. Plus, the demand isn't as high after the first few weeks. Like right now, Apple is able to keep up because devices aren't being sold from stores and online as quickly as they were during preorders and when they were first released. My point is, it's hard for all companies to keep up when you have such a high demand for a product. This is nothing bad or abnormal.

:rolleyes: Sure, ok. Ask a GS2 owner how different it is. Sure got a big reaction here as well whe the first pictures were released. I guess it looked just like the GS2, huh? So your saying ICS is near identical to Gingerbread? :rolleyes:
As for the Siri competitor, you mean Google Now which shows to be much more efficiant than Siri? Oh thats right, you dont mind using the links when it dont talk to you. You think it does the exact same thing :rolleyes: Wow

The S3 is so similar to the S2, they were able to fit it into an enlarged S2 shell to keep it a secret as we all saw with the leaks. This was made possible by a similar form factor and more rounded off edges. Yes, I do thing Gingerbread is like ICS but on a TOUCHWIZ device because of how the UI looks. If it had the Gingerbread font, it's be pretty much identical sans the home screen launcher.

When did I mention Google Now anywhere in my replies? I mentioned S Voice ("Samsung's attempt at a Siri competitor"). Lol, you're just twisting my words to make your answers sound better. I've already expressed my thoughts on Google Now in that other thread you and I were apart of about Google Now so I won't respond here.

Sure it did. you just ignored it.

Explain it, because it sounded irrelevant to me.

So you counted them? Did you count the updates for Apple? Ill say no and, no. Id say it is right there with them while you werent expecting much til i showed you which means, you really dont know and are guessing on many of thee things.

I had actually read that page when it was first posted about a few days ago. No I didn't count them, but the lists don't look as comprehensive as the Wikipedia one.

jeffe
Jul 15, 2012, 04:01 PM
Thats what Dropbox will do for you. Any picture i take with my phone(with DB on it as well) goes to my Dropbox on my PC.

Dropbox will do this for you. You can also get a similar result with having it automatically upload to a private album within your google plus account.

cynics
Jul 15, 2012, 04:01 PM
You are comparing android to the Chinese counterfeit industry?

I can live with this.

No, I haven't mentioned Android in this thread. I'm not infatuated with it... :)

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:02 PM
But then you have to ask. Why not sue the Chinese iPhone knock offs?

Image (http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/expand_giant_iphone.jpg)

Because they aren't even worried if the are even replicas....

They don't impact Apple sales-wise or in any other way. Who knows, they may be suing them and we may not know.

skidbubble
Jul 15, 2012, 04:03 PM
The Galaxy S3 is larger, yes but not by much. The naysayers are acting as if one needs to rent a U-Haul trailer to carry the thing around. It looks good to me. The screen alone looks as big or bigger than the entire iPhone, top & bottom bezels included. I've already lost 10% of my vision from squinting at the iPhone tiny screen, so a larger one would be welcome.

Technarchy
Jul 15, 2012, 04:03 PM
No, I haven't mentioned Android in this thread. I'm not infatuated with it... :)

Who else steals from Apple Mobile and gets sued on large scale other than android?

jeffe
Jul 15, 2012, 04:08 PM
Look at this picture:

Image (http://cdn.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/field/image/2012/07/ios_vs_ios_comparison_chart.jpg)

The past two OS updates have each had roughly / over 200 new features. Find me an Android update that had that many new features / tweaks / enhancements in one OS update, or one with 10 new major features. A


This is not really an equal or fair comparison. Apple users had to update IOS to receive in-app purchases according to your chart.

Android users just had to download an update to Google Play. This did not require an entire update to the Android framework. So it seems that some features that might require an entire IOS update on apple are just simply an app update on Android.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:10 PM
This is not really an equal or fair comparison. Apple users had to update IOS to receive in-app purchases according to your chart.

Android users just had to download an update to Google Play. This did not require an entire update to the Android framework. So it seems that features that might require an entire IOS update on apple are just simply an app update on Android.

It's because an in-app purchase on Android brings you to the Play Store to confirm billing info, etc. The iPhone does it all in-app, thus requiring extra to be added to the OS to fully support it.

Edit: Why is it not an equal comparison?

Dmunjal
Jul 15, 2012, 04:11 PM
Strange that they went after the Nexus just as the price dropped to $350 on the play store and it was due to get Jelly Bean.

Universal search is not exclusively to that device.

That's interesting. Didn't Android have Universal Search since 1.0? Why didn't Apple go after the original Nexus?

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:12 PM
That's interesting. Didn't Android have Universal Search since 1.0? Why didn't Apple go after the original Nexus?

Because now that the Galaxy Nexus has the potential to impact sales, they decided to do it now. It was strategic to wait to it out to see how well Android did before jumping the gun.

cynics
Jul 15, 2012, 04:16 PM
Who else steals from Apple Mobile and gets sued on large scale other than android?

Just companies that make them worry (point of our discussion). I mean that's a given, a company doesn't spend a fortune in lawyer fees, court cost, bad press, etc etc to sue an insignificant no threat company.

jeffe
Jul 15, 2012, 04:18 PM
Because now that the Galaxy Nexus has the potential to impact sales, they decided to do it now. It was strategic to wait to it out to see how well Android did before jumping the gun.

Apple was not granted the patent until December 2011 so I think that might have been probably a greater factor.

Dontazemebro
Jul 15, 2012, 04:21 PM
Yes, but the year is worth the wait. Like I said, at least it's not sporadic and you can expect an OS update. Anyone who bought an Android device within the last few months morethan likely isn't on the latest OS, had to root to get the latest OS, or won't be getting Android 4.0/.1. The reason iOS has maintained almost the same look for years is because changing too many things just startles the user and confuses them. With Android, it isn't an issue because A. most people don't get the latest OS so no one is confused or B. no one is confused because 75% of Android users are tech geeks who love huge overhauls.

Your information is just flat out wrong. Most android updates thru various manufactures do not change the UI. Sense running gingerbread to sense running ice cream sandwich is not going to confuse the end user as well as touchwiz. Tweaks have been made but there's nothing alarming there like you mentioned. Pure asop is another thing but this is where choice comes into play. You may want to call it fragmentation but I like to see it as having options. Thing is you can't make a blanket statement because not all android devices are one and the same. You're relating to android from an iPhone perspective and it doesn't work like that.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:22 PM
Apple was not granted the patent until December 2011 so I think that might have been probably a greater factor.

I wasn't aware of that. That's probably a more likely reason.

jeffe
Jul 15, 2012, 04:24 PM
It's because an in-app purchase on Android brings you to the Play Store to confirm billing info, etc. The iPhone does it all in-app, thus requiring extra to be added to the OS to fully support it.

Edit: Why is it not an equal comparison?

Because apple updates are not the equivalent to Android updates. Android users benefit from Google updating many its Android apps through Google Play without Google updating its entire framework.

For instance, I can now rent and buy tv shows, I can now subscribe and view magazines. I could not do this a few weeks ago and yet my android OS has not been updated one bit.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:26 PM
Your information is just flat out wrong. Most android updates thru various manufactures do not change the UI. Sense running gingerbread to sense running ice cream sandwich is not going to confuse the end user as well as touchwiz. Tweaks have been made but there's nothing alarming there like you mentioned. Pure asop is another thing but this is where choice comes into play. You may want to call it fragmentation but I like to see it as having options. Thing is you can't make a blanket statement because not all android devices are one and the same. You're relating to android from an iPhone perspective and it doesn't work like that.

Sense 3.0 to Sense 4.0 has the potential to confuse the consumer. All of the notification pulldown setting toggles are gone, there is a new multitasking UI, a new widget / shortcut adding screen, there's a new way to make folders and with the newer HTC devices, there's no menu button. Now I'm pretty tech savvy and I know how my way around Sense 4.0 because of videos I've watched and having used Sense 4 devices, but to the average consumer who doesn't do that, I could see it as confusing.

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Because apple updates are not the equivalent to Android updates. Android users benefit from Google updating many its Android apps through Google Play without Google updating its entire framework.

For instance, I can now rent and buy tv shows, I can now subscribe and view magazines. I could not do this a few weeks ago and yet my android OS has not been updated one bit.

Only the Play Store is capable of this. You can't have new software features without updating the phone.

EnderTW
Jul 15, 2012, 04:28 PM
I use & enjoy both an iPhone 4S and a new Galaxy S III.

I've been using Android along with iOS for a few years now. I keep up with iOS because I'm a longtime Mac user. Yet I must admit when it comes to smartphones this new Galaxy S III has really made a giant leap forward in both hardware & the Andoid OS.

What many non-Android users are unaware of is that Android smartphones are stand alone computers that don't require being backed up to another computer like iPhones do. Nor are they dependent on another device to be setup or activated like iOS has been.

Android being a fully functional computer with a file system is a stand alone device that interfaces beautifully with each of my Macs. Being a completely independent device is a huge advantage for Android. And believe me I'm a die hard MacBook Pro user that has been using Apple computers since 1991.

I'd never bash an iPhone OR an Android. They each have their merits.

As far as saying "while I already have so much invested in iOS apps". Yes that's true and I know how you feel. But that's like saying I've already invested so much, I'm going to let that hold me back from progressing to an even greater experience.

Believe me, once you get a new Galaxy S III you are so happy you quickly forget what you've spent in the past.

Finally, I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy an Android, that's a personal decision. I'm not an "us vs them" type of enthusiast. I like all forms of devices & platforms.

What I am interested in is setting the record straight by sharing my knowledge in a neutral fashion so people have good information with which to make their own decision.
This sums it up for me word for word.

I think iOS is great I just don't think they're doing enough in the hardware or software realm for my personal taste.

Dontazemebro
Jul 15, 2012, 04:30 PM
Because apple updates are not the equivalent to Android updates. Android users benefit from Google updating many its Android apps through Google Play without Google updating its entire framework.

For instance, I can now rent and buy tv shows, I can now subscribe and view magazines. I could not do this a few weeks ago and yet my android OS has not been updated one bit.

Which is another reason why fragmentation is not that big of an issue. End users running older versions can still enjoy many of the features that are being released in newer versions.

cynics
Jul 15, 2012, 04:32 PM
That's why they'll never really be in worried. People will always buy iPhones and there will always be new customers. There are also many people on Android who are are just there till the iPhone gets a bigger screen or LTE. You cannot tell me people aren't going to be the next iPhone because of the design as though it's a flawed one or ugly one. The Galaxy S has only received tweaks over the years as have devices live The EVO and the Nexus, yet people still buy them.

The reason people are dissatisfied is because they are expecting too much of Apple. They want this size screen, that camera, this feature, and that feature when they know that's not something Apple would do. Since Apple started with the iPhone / iPhone OS, they've always released feature packed software updates.

Look at this picture:

Image (http://cdn.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/field/image/2012/07/ios_vs_ios_comparison_chart.jpg)

The past two OS updates have each had roughly / over 200 new features. Find me an Android update that had that many new features / tweaks / enhancements in one OS update, or one with 10 new major features. Apple is trying to appeal to the average consumer, not people who like to manage file systems and do all this other complicated stuff with widgets and all that. It's all to cumbersome which is why Apple has stuck to tweaking interface stuff slightly over the years alongside trying to add features that everyone wants, rather than overhauling the UI year of year like Android and the manufacturer skins do.

Just to note, Android native apps and features are updated without the OS. So if Gmail or say the maps apps are updated they are updated separately to the OS. So you don't need a different version of the OS to get an updated YouTube app.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:33 PM
Which is another reason why fragmentation is not that big of an issue. End users running older versions can still enjoy many of the features that are being released in newer versions.

Yeah, if you care about what features the Play Store has. Lol.

Dontazemebro
Jul 15, 2012, 04:36 PM
Sense 3.0 to Sense 4.0 has the potential to confuse the consumer. All of the notification pulldown setting toggles are gone, there is a new multitasking UI, a new widget / shortcut adding screen, there's a new way to make folders and with the newer HTC devices, there's no menu button. Now I'm pretty tech savvy and I know how my way around Sense 4.0 because of videos I've watched and having used Sense 4 devices, but to the average consumer who doesn't do that, I could see it as confusing.[COLOR="#808080"]

In my opinion those are tweaks. Sense still has the same social integration and the overall look is nearly identical. Also as soon as you start using sense 4.0 there are a plethora of on screen tutorials that walk you thru these changes. Trust me it's not as confusing as you're making it out to be.

jeffe
Jul 15, 2012, 04:36 PM
Yeah, if you care about what features the Play Store has. Lol.

Google updates many of there apps continually through the play store. More examples, Google voice updated to allow ICS users voicemail integration within the Phone app in March of 2012.

Google maps is often updated without requiring an update as well. 3D maps, compass mode, indoor mode are just a few updates that became available which I don't recall required an update to the Android framework.

Dontazemebro
Jul 15, 2012, 04:40 PM
Yeah, if you care about what features the Play Store has. Lol.

If you mean by Gmail, Google maps, Google play music, Google Books, Google Currents, Google Talk, Google Reader, Google plus, Google drive, YouTube, Google messenger, Chrome browser etc. Then yea I do care :)

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:43 PM
In my opinion those are tweaks. Sense still has the same social integration and the overall look is nearly identical. Also as soon as you start using sense 4.0 there are a plethora of on screen tutorials that walk you thru these changes. Trust me it's not as confusing as you're making it out to be.

I don't believe Sense 4.0 has any on screen tutorials. Sense 4.0 is not a tweaked UI, it's pretty much an overhaul of the things I mentioned.

Google updates many of there apps continually through the play store. More examples, Google voice updated to allow ICS users voicemail integration within the Phone app in March of 2012.

Google maps is often updated without requiring an update as well. 3D maps, compass mode, indoor mode are just a few updates that became available which I don't recall required an update to the Android framework.

If you mean by Gmail, Google maps, Google play music, Google Books, Google Currents, Google Talk, Google Reader, Google plus, Google drive, YouTube, Google messenger, Chrome browser etc. Then yea I do care :)

Unfortunately you have to actually update those yourself. They don't automatically update like the Play Store .apk does itself. You can tell it to auto update if you want though. That wasn't even what I was talking about. I was talking about FEATURES of the Play Store, not the apps in the Play Store.

jeffe
Jul 15, 2012, 04:46 PM
Unfortunately you have to actually update those yourself. They don't automatically update like the Play Store .apk does itself.

Android will notify the user that an update is available and they then have the option to allow updates to install automatically in the future if they so decide. It is really not so unfortunate as you describe. Why does this even matter anyways?

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:47 PM
Why does this even matter? It is really not so unfortunate as you describe. Android will notify the user that an update is available and they then have the option to allow updates to install automatically in the future if they so decide.

Well you randomly brought up a list of Google apps you like which I wasn't even talking about so I replied even though what you said was irrelevant.

Dontazemebro
Jul 15, 2012, 04:49 PM
I don't believe Sense 4.0 has any on screen tutorials. Sense 4.0 is not a tweaked UI, it's pretty much an overhaul of the things I mentioned.


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Yes it does. As soon as you log in with your Gmail account, there are on screen tutorials that walk you thru. If you choose to dismiss them, that's your prerogative.


unfortunately you have to actually update those yourself. They don't automatically update like the Play Store .apk does itself.

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Wrong again

Settings > auto update apps.

It's really that simple.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:54 PM
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Yes it does. As soon as you log in with your Gmail account, there are on screen tutorials that walk you thru. If you choose to dismiss them, that's your prerogative.

Is that the case after updating, though? That'd be where it's more important. I know the S3 has them, but it only explains two things; "this is your home screen" and "this is your app drawer".



Wrong again

Settings > auto update apps.

It's really that simple.

No need to be smart. I updated my post before your reply after realizing that. Either way, I wasn't talking about that before you guys brought it up. I was referring to the FEATURES of the Play Store, not the apps in it.

jeffe
Jul 15, 2012, 04:55 PM
Well you randomly brought up a list of Google apps you like which I wasn't even talking about so I replied even though what you said was irrelevant.

Oh really when did I do that?

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I was referring to the FEATURES of the Play Store, not the apps in it.

That is the confusion, None of us were just talking about the features of the play store.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 04:57 PM
Oh really when did I do that?

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That is the confusion, None of us were just talking about the features of the play store.

I wasn't referring to you directly. I meant you and Dontazemebro in general which is who posted the apps.

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The post I originally quoted wasn't talking about apps.

"Which is another reason why fragmentation is not that big of an issue. End users running older versions can still enjoy many of the features that are being released in newer versions."

Dontazemebro
Jul 15, 2012, 05:00 PM
Is that the case after updating, though? That'd be where it's more important. I know the S3 has them, but it only explains two things; "this is your home screen" and "this is your app drawer".



Sense is more integrated which is why I prefer it to touchwiz and yes it does apply to full updates.


No need to be smart. I updated my post before your reply after realizing that. Either way, I wasn't talking about that before you guys brought it up. I was referring to the FEATURES of the Play Store, not the apps in it.

Sorry wasn't trying to be smart. Like I said I'm also an iPhone user and I'm not insinuating that one platform is more superior than the other. Just trying to inform where a lot of people are otherwise misinformed.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 05:04 PM
Sense is more integrated which is why I prefer it to touchwiz and yes it does apply to full updates.




Sorry wasn't trying to be smart. Like I said I'm also an iPhone user and I'm not insinuating that one platform is more superior than the other. Just trying to inform where a lot of people are otherwise misinformed.

Ok, gotcha.

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 06:19 PM
Yes, but the year is worth the wait. Like I said, at least it's not sporadic and you can expect an OS update.

Sure if you like being behind the competition. I know you dont mind since you like a simpleton phone that just calls, emails and texts but most everyone likes more features and iOS is behind in that regard. And yeah, the iP4 will get an update, but not the full update so it isnt as rosey as you want it to be.

Anyone who bought an Android device within the last few months morethan likely isn't on the latest OS, had to root to get the latest OS, or won't be getting Android 4.0/.1. The reason iOS has maintained almost the same look for years is because changing too many things just startles the user and confuses them. With Android, it isn't an issue because A. most people don't get the latest OS so no one is confused or B. no one is confused because 75% of Android users are tech geeks who love huge overhauls.

The flagship phones will get them. The GS3 is going to get JB, the GS2 got ICS and i dont know if it will get JB. The Motorola phones are being updated to ICS. No word on JB but the point is, they arent that old and are getting updates just ike th iPhone is...who only get one once a year.

Ok, well you changed the subject from what I was talking about so you could say you were right.

No i didnt. I said the iPhone cost more. No kidding that they all are the same subsidized. But if you want one off contract, the P4S still costs more than the newer Androids. There is just nothing to not understand about that.

I already knew the 4S was more expensive off contract which is why I wasn't comparing those prices.

LOL...well that was the point wasnt it? Of course you didnt want to compare those prices. Because you know Apple dont care about you. And before you say they do, please lets go back and mention the two years it took to get MMS, Copy and Paste, and the years it took to get other things that Android has had for years that their customers keep asking for.
They didnt think they were neccessary.
They were probably reluctant to give a bigger screen and even in doing so, only made it longer. Its still too small.



Sure you can get a Gnex for 350, but not everyone can use an unlocked device. You can't use an unlocked device on Sprint or Verizon. The 4S has the same technologies as the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, and the One X, so how could you say it's an "old phone"?

What does that have to do with the high price of a IP4S off contract? So Apple can screw those who have CDMA?

There are many who would love to have a unlocked phone for $350 and those who have a GSM network can. And the IP4S has many things lacking from the GS3 and HTC X and GNex so how can you say it is even close? The only things it has better than the GNex is the camera and screen clarity. But it is a tiny screen.

Dont get me wrong, it is a nice device but it is far behind those phones.


You know what I mean. I didn't mean Apple builds them at an office in California...:rolleyes: I know they can't keep up and it's because of the high demand, which is why they start production months before release. Apple is not the only company in the world which can't keep up with the demand. Plus, the demand isn't as high after the first few weeks. Like right now, Apple is able to keep up because devices aren't being sold from stores and online as quickly as they were during preorders and when they were first released. My point is, it's hard for all companies to keep up when you have such a high demand for a product. This is nothing bad or abnormal.

OK, i wont argue there but Apple fell behind with some features they wanted to adsd to the 4S and they didnt get them because they couldnt get them done on time. I dont have specifics but you can do a search. I have seen articles on this before so they arent as efficient as you think.



The S3 is so similar to the S2, they were able to fit it into an enlarged S2 shell to keep it a secret as we all saw with the leaks. This was made possible by a similar form factor and more rounded off edges. Yes, I do thing Gingerbread is like ICS but on a TOUCHWIZ device because of how the UI looks. If it had the Gingerbread font, it's be pretty much identical sans the home screen launcher.

Um, no. Maybe you need to go back to Wikipedia and look it up because you are wrong!

When did I mention Google Now anywhere in my replies? I mentioned S Voice ("Samsung's attempt at a Siri competitor"). Lol, you're just twisting my words to make your answers sound better.

Actually you never said a thing about S Voice. I just figured you were talkingabout Google Now since you kept claiming Siri did the exact same thing. I will agree however that S Voice isnt that great.
But Google Now is better than Siri.



I had actually read that page when it was first posted about a few days ago. No I didn't count them, but the lists don't look as comprehensive as the Wikipedia one.

To someone biased, it wouldnt. To somebody who isnt biased, it would.

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 06:38 PM
Because now that the Galaxy Nexus has the potential to impact sales, they decided to do it now. It was strategic to wait to it out to see how well Android did before jumping the gun.

This is what i meant when i said it didnt bother them before til Android started catching up. Now they start to sue everyone and in turn are getting sued by other companies that nobody has heard of.

It wasnt strategic, its called worrying and them needing to do something by tying to ban other products.

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Only the Play Store is capable of this. You can't have new software features without updating the phone.

Wrong again. You say your tech savy? Seems you dont know much about Android and yet keep making these claims that many keep correcting you on.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 07:01 PM
Sure if you like being behind the competition. I know you dont mind since you like a simpleton phone that just calls, emails and texts but most everyone likes more features and iOS is behind in that regard. And yeah, the iP4 will get an update, but not eh full update so it isnt as rosey as you want it to be.

iOS is not behind the competition in my mind, nor do I think it is ahead. iOS and the iPhone has just as much purposeful function as Android. Sure I can't add widgets or manage device files, but that's not what you focus on when using a phone. You focus on using it as a phone and keeping yourself entertained with apps, with a bit of customization here and there. You don't focus on manage SD card files and downloading this .apk and unzipping this or adding this widget, etc. I do admit it's nice to have a cool clock widget or whatever, but again that's all personal preference.

Sure, the 4 IS getting the update showing Apple is still committed to supporting it for as long as possible. It may not be getting the new Maps, but that's pretty much it, it's getting everything else, all the little enhancements here and there and all the new features. At least Apple knows you're spending all this money and they know you want to use it as long as possible. There's also a bit of marketing strategy thrown in there which takes a feature or two out to get you to buy the newest model, but still. Then there's the 3 year old 3GS on it's 3rd major OS update. That shows commitment.

The flagship phones will get them. The GS3 is going to get JB, the GS2 got ICS and i dont know if it will get JB. The Motorola phones are being updated to ICS. No word on JB but the point is, they arent that old and are getting updates just ike th iPhone is...who only get one once a year.

Yeah, of course the LATEST devices will get JB, but who knows which features it will or will not get. It's likely Samsung could exclude Google Now because they already have S Voice, and Now is one of the marquee features. Then there's the question of how long it'll take. The Epic 4G Touch just got it's ICS update this past week after 40 test builds. Compare that to 4 to 7 developer betas where most of the major bugs are removed after the first few. You're wrong there, iPhones get more than one update each year, whether it be a 0.1 update, a 0.2 update, or security fixes. Yes, they get one major upgrade a year, but that's certainly not the only one.

No i didnt. I said the iPhone cost more. No kidding that they all are the same subsidized. But if you want one off contract, the P4S still costs more than the newer Androids. There is just nothing to not understand about that.

Didn't say I didn't understand. Again, 90 percent of people buy phones when they are eligible for an upgrade. I'm not denying the iPhone isn't more expensive, but I'm just pointing that out.

LOL...well that was the point wasnt it? Of course you didnt want to compare those prices. Because you know Apple dont care about you. And before you say they do, please lets go back and mention the two years it took to get MMS, Copy and Paste, and the years it took to get other things that Android has had for years that their customers keep asking for.
They didnt think they were neccessary.
They were probably reluctant to give a bigger screen and even in doing so, only made it longer. Its still too small.

My original post said "Apple is asking the same price for the iPhone as Samsung is asking for the Galaxy S3 and the One X and other Android devices." I never mentioned the unsubsidized price.

Google must not care about you guys. Look how long it took them to make the UI smooth, lol. They probably didn't think it was necessary. I bet they wouldn't have released Google Now for a few more years if it weren't for Siri.

What does that have to do with the high price of a IP4S off contract? So Apple can screw those who have CDMA?

There are many who would love to have a unlocked phone for $350 and those who have a GSM network can. And the IP4S has many things lacking from the GS3 and HTC X and GNex so how can you say it is even close? The only things it has better than the GNex is the camera and screen clarity. But it is a tiny screen.

Dont get me wrong, it is a nice device but it is far behind those phones.

I never mentioned an unlocked iPhone 4S anywhere in any of my posts. You love putting words into my mouth.

What does it have lacking hardware wise? I want to know. :rolleyes:

OK, i wont argue there but Apple fell behind with some features they wanted to adsd to the 4S and they didnt get them because they couldnt get them done on time. I dont have specifics but you can do a search. I have seen articles on this before so they arent as efficient as you think.

You don't have the specifics, lol. It's called laying out all your features across multiple OS updates / multiple hardware models. They aren't gonna put every possible feature into one OS update or one hardware update.

Um, no. Maybe you need to go back to Wikipedia and look it up because you are wrong!

Explain.


Actually you never said a thing about S Voice. I just figured you were talkingabout Google Now since you kept claiming Siri did the exact same thing. I will agree however that S Voice isnt that great.
But Google Now is better than Siri.

Read this post: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15253691#post15253691

I didn't explicitly state "S Voice", but I did say "Samsung's attempt at a Siri competitor"

To someone biased, it wouldnt. To somebody who isnt biased, it would.

Ok, lol.

jeffe
Jul 15, 2012, 07:03 PM
Hi there folks,


4. Don't have to use iTunes, I can just drag and drop mp3 files onto the device as I would do with a thump drive.



You might also be interested in using either google play music (or even amazon). You just upload your mp3 to the service and they then become available through the google play app on your phone and through the web app on your browser. You can also store a local copy of the music on the device itself so you don't have to stream. There is currently a 20,000 song limit I think.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 07:03 PM
This is what i meant when i said it didnt bother them before til Android started catching up. Now they start to sue everyone and in turn are getting sued by other companies that nobody has heard of.

It wasnt strategic, its called worrying and them needing to do something by tying to ban other products.

You don't understand the concept of intellectual property. When you do, talk with me.

Wrong again. You say your tech savy? Seems you dont know much about Android and yet keep making these claims that many keep correcting you on.

Ok. Tell me how you can get a software update or the features from one without updating your phone. For example, how can I get Project Butter onto a Galaxy Nexus without updating it?

Darthdingo
Jul 15, 2012, 07:10 PM
Lol. I assure you, Apple has nothing to worry about.

I bet RIM/BlackBerry said the same thing about the iPhone 5 years ago. I hope Apple doesn't stay too cocky, and think no one will best them, with that attitude, just a matter of time.

As if right now, I personally think the Galaxy Nexus running Jellybean, is the best smartphone on the market right now, until the iPhone 5 + Nexus-Four come out this Fall

jeffe
Jul 15, 2012, 07:15 PM
Ok. Tell me how you can get a software update or the features from one without updating your phone. For example, how can I get Project Butter onto a Galaxy Nexus without updating it?

You update the App, not the phone.. Something like project butter requires an update to the Android framework. Something like being able to use google maps offline which is a new feature might only require an update to the Android app, but not the Android framework.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 07:16 PM
You update the App, not the phone.. Something like project butter requires an update to the Android framework. Something like being able to use the google maps offline feature might only require an update to the Android app, not the Android framework.

That's my point. I wasn't talking about apps. I know you can update those without updating the phone, lol.

Vegastouch
Jul 15, 2012, 07:40 PM
iOS is not behind the competition in my mind, nor do I think it is ahead. iOS and the iPhone has just as much purposeful function as Android.

Fair enough. You say you wouldnt use the features so to you, it isnt behind. To most others not wearing the rose colored glasses, it is. Even those doing reviews.

Sure I can't add widgets or manage device files, but that's not what you focus on when using a phone. You focus on using it as a phone and keeping yourself entertained with apps, with a bit of customization here and there. You don't focus on manage SD card files and downloading this .apk and unzipping this or adding this widget, etc. I do admit it's nice to have a cool clock widget or whatever, but again that's all personal preference.

You act like these are tough tasks to do. And you dont need to unzip anything if you dont want to.


Yeah, of course the LATEST devices will get JB, but who knows which features it will or will not get. It's likely Samsung could exclude Google Now because they already have S Voice,and Now is one of the marquee features.

Why would they do that? Its a part of JB and its better than S Voice. Remember, JB is an update to ICS and when they do give you an update, i dont recall them ever giving you just pieces of it. They give you the whole thing.

Then there's the question of how long it'll take. The Epic 4G Touch just got it's ICS update this past week after 40 test builds. Compare that to 4 to 7 developer betas where most of the major bugs are removed after the first few. You're wrong there, iPhones get more than one update each year, whether it be a 0.1 update, a 0.2 update, or security fixes. Yes, they get one major upgrade a year, but that's certainly not the only one.

Yes, updates can be slow but they seem to really be wanting to make a big slash with this. Step one is telling the US carriers they arent going to put out 4 versions of the GS3. Trying to make things simpler and it was already announced that the GS3 was getting JB in Q4 so if i get it in Oct, ....im happy.

Google must not care about you guys. Look how long it took them to make the UI smooth, lol. They probably didn't think it was necessary. I bet they wouldn't have released Google Now for a few more years if it weren't for Siri.
Google has added new people to their team and thus making things better. If you watch th Nexus 7 video about JB, they say in there that they have declared a war on lag and JB runs flawlessly.

I never mentioned an unlocked iPhone 4S anywhere in any of my posts. You love putting words into my mouth.

You said "Sure you can get a Gnex for 350, but not everyone can use an unlocked device. You can't use an unlocked device on Sprint or Verizon."

I never mentioned an unlocked 4S either :confused:

What does it have lacking hardware wise? I want to know. :rolleyes:


Where did i use the word "hardware"?


Explain.


You said Gingerbread was pretty much just like ICS so i told you that maybe you need to go back to Wikipedia so you look up the updates like you did for iOS. I didnt think it was confusing.



Read this post: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15253691#post15253691

I didn't explicitly state "S Voice", but I did say "Samsung's attempt at a Siri competitor"


True but you were pretty vocal about Siri being just like Google Now and that were the same so thats what i thought you meant.

You don't understand the concept of intellectual property. When you do, talk with me.

Says the tech savy guy who is wrong on many of his claims.



Ok. Tell me how you can get a software update or the features from one without updating your phone. For example, how can I get Project Butter onto a Galaxy Nexus without updating it?

That isnt what you have been talking about. You have been corrected on the things you were talking about and now you say "I wasn't talking about apps. I know you can update those without updating the phone, lol." .....but the Apps is exactly what you were talking about.

batting1000
Jul 15, 2012, 07:58 PM
Fair enough. You say you wouldnt use the features so to you, it isnt behind. To most others not wearing the rose colored glasses, it is. Even those doing reviews.

If I had them, I might use them but it's nothing I'd say when trying to get someone to buy a phone or when suggesting a phone to someone, etc.

"Omg!!! This Android phone is so cool! I can have a clock and weather widget on home front screen!!!"

You act like these are tough tasks to do. And you dont need to unzip anything if you dont want to.

I don't act like they're tough. I'm merely pointing out how unnecessary is and how cumbersome they are. The iPhone and other phones without those features prove it's all unnecessary.



Why would they do that? Its a part of JB and its better than S Voice. Remember, JB is an update to ICS and when they do give you an update, i dont recall them ever giving you just pieces of it. They give you the whole thing.

Yes, updates can be slow but they seem to really be wanting to make a big slash with this. Step one is telling the US carriers they arent going to put out 4 versions of the GS3. Trying to make things simpler and it was already announced that the GS3 was getting JB in Q4 so if i get it in Oct, ....im happy.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/360526/20120707/samsung-galaxy-s3-android-jelly-bean-release.htm

Looks like it was just a rumor and Samsung is still evaluating whether the S3 will get it or not. The next Nexus will be out by the end of the year with Android 4.2 or 5.0 and 4.1 will be old and obsolete. Manufacturers won't have even released 4.1 to their devices yet. Just wait... :rolleyes:

Google has added new people to their team and thus making things better. If you watch th Nexus 7 video about JB, they say in there that they have declared a war on lag and JB runs flawlessly.

I know that, I was saying how it took a long time to stop the lag. Why couldn't they do the vsync and triple buffering earlier?


You said "Sure you can get a Gnex for 350, but not everyone can use an unlocked device. You can't use an unlocked device on Sprint or Verizon."

Yeah, what's your point? It's the truth, you can't use an unlocked device on CDMA carriers.

Where did i use the word "hardware"?

You didn't, but since we are already talking about software, I figured I'd ask how the One X, Gnex, or GS3 is better than the 4S hard-ware wise because you said:

"And the IP4S has many things lacking from the GS3 and HTC X and GNex so how can you say it is even close? The only things it has better than the GNex is the camera and screen clarity."


You said Gingerbread was pretty much just like ICS so i told you that maybe you need to go back to Wikipedia so you look up the updates like you did for iOS. I didnt think it was confusing.

The version history on Wikipedia for Android is significantly smaller than the iOS one.

Compare the feature lists for both:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history

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Says the tech savy guy who is wrong on many of his claims.

You don't understand that when companies have patents, they intend to protect them. The fact that the Galaxy Nexus is infringing on then just gives Android fanboys an excuse to bash Apple for doing so.

That isnt what you have been talking about. You have been corrected on the things you were talking about and now you say "I wasn't talking about apps. I know you can update those without updating the phone, lol." .....but the Apps is exactly what you were talking about.

I was talking about the Play Store and it's features, not the apps in the Play Store.

Wrathwitch
Jul 15, 2012, 08:06 PM
The size of the phone is hardly a problem, i see people saying they cant put a phone just a little bigger than the iphone in pants pocket a lot but personally i call that bs...... Unless you use extremely tight pants :) or i guess you didnt have a cellphone back in the day or never owned the big boys of nokia.

This is a lie. Unless you have an ass the size of Manhattan. I can ONLY carry it in my back pocket if I don't plan on sitting down. I cannot safely put it in my front pocket. I do not wear skinny jeans. I am a female and don't wear gangsta pants.

The fact is the phone is too large to be a pocket device without a great risk of damage. I still really like it, but now I carry a purse more often.

jvmxtra
Jul 15, 2012, 10:02 PM
Wirelessly posted

Obviously I rather have bit of change in ios along with different choice of size.

Apple will not do this and this will be the reason I move back to droid. I will go for samsung note 2

jvmxtra
Jul 15, 2012, 10:06 PM
Wirelessly posted

In iPhone we have created the monster. It used to be we bought them because they were so awesome. Now we buy them because of the brand. Almost like Microsoft. It needs overhaul

phil989
Jul 15, 2012, 10:28 PM
I also recently switched to Android. Once my 3GS broke I didn't want to wait for the next iPhone and I was getting pretty bored of iOS, so I bought a Galaxy Nexus.

There are many great things about this phone. Jelly Bean is indeed very nice. However....I want my iPhone back! Here's why I'm planning to sell my Nexus and buy the next iPhone in a month or so's time:


The Nexus screen is so large that I find it hurts my hands to use it
Similarly, because the keyboard is so wide single-handed typing is inaccurate for me
Jelly Bean is better but....the thing lags. Android and iOS lag in different ways, but this phone lags with simple things like loading the keyboard or loading the task switcher. It's not awful or anything, but It just feels laggy and unresponsive - and this is coming from a 3GS owner with iOS 5...
Android apps really lack polish compared to iOS apps - even when the app maker is good and follows Google's design standards. Some apps are great, and most ae just about useable - but honestly it's more like owning a computer than a phone, with wildly different standards and design decisions between apps
I honestly don't find the customization as useful as I thought I would. Live wallpaper is pointless unless you want to slow down the experience even more, as are complex widgets. Rooting it voids the warranty....no thanks.
I experience a lot more frustration. Apple phones are locked down and limited, which means they can only annoy you in a set number of ways and you quickly learn to avoid or expect torublesome situations. With the Nexus, it's pot luck between apps and situations what the experience will be like.
Ergonmics. I've touced on it before but the iPhone is a much nicer size. Perhaps it's just me, but I simply cannot get used to this large phone. The whole physical and software experience just seems less pleasant to me versus the iPhone


That's about all I can think of for now. What it comes down to is this though:

I mostly need a phone for: Texting, emailing, phone calls, calendar, todo, browsing the web.

Browsing the web is quite nice on the Nexus because of the big screen, but it's not as pelasant and consistent across sites as Safari (stock browser, chrome, dolphin, opera, firefox - i don't think any are quite as simple and 'just works').

Calendar and email integration on Android is great when you use google calendar and google mail even with multiple accounts and advanced features like importance / labels.

But simple TYPING a message is difficult with such a large screen, as is holding the phone comfortably when reading text.

Oh and good luck finding software like this on Android.... http://www.realmacsoftware.com/clear/

Sensamic
Jul 15, 2012, 10:49 PM
And then people say iOS is stable and secure and all...

My iPad 1 running 5.1.1 just froze completely while in the IMDB app. The whole system froze and couldnt get out of the app. I had to press at the same time home button and power button a few seconds for the device to reboot.

IOS is so stable, right?

onthecouchagain
Jul 15, 2012, 10:59 PM
And then people say iOS is stable and secure and all...

My iPad 1 running 5.1.1 just froze completely while in the IMDB app. The whole system froze and couldnt get out of the app. I had to press at the same time home button and power button a few seconds for the device to reboot.

IOS is so stable, right?


Heck, my third gen iPad running 5.1 gets hung up really badly and crashed Safari when I tried to load the desktop Gizmodo site.

depths
Jul 15, 2012, 11:10 PM
Oh and good luck finding software like this on Android.... http://www.realmacsoftware.com/clear/

Clear is a gorgeous app, I watched its development on dribble. Any.DO is a worthy alternative on IOS and Android, have you tried it?

bocomo
Jul 16, 2012, 08:25 AM
Hi there folks,


5. It has "true" multi-tasking.



explain, please

JayTruth
Jul 16, 2012, 09:12 AM
First of all let me say that I've never had in iPhone, but I have used many of them with friends. However; I have had both 2nd and 4th gen iPod touches which I used to use everyday, before bed, while brushing my teeth, after waking up, during breakfast, dinner, everywhere lol, so I do know the iOS experience. I had a dummy phone accompanying me with the touch back then.

This summer I decided it was time to get a smartphone, so after lots of research I went with the Galaxy Nexus vs iPhone 4S straight from google and got tmobile's $30 plan with 100 mins. I mainly wanted it for the bigger screen for web browsing since that's mainly what I used my iPod for, and this was replacing my iPod and phone. Also, the iPhone doesn't get 3G speeds on tmobile, yet. I was very very happy at first. I have Jellybean now and it is a whole lot better. Very smooth, but I still miss iOS, obviously because I was so used to it. Everything phil989 mentioned above is true for me. For someone that was already so used to iOS, android just feels off. So this is some insight for anyone thinking about purchasing an android phone vs iOS.

Anyway, once the novelty of having a new experience wore off, the charm of iOS, the uniformity, cleanliness is tapping my shoulder. The main thing I miss is the smaller amount of apps, which I knew going in. It is not google's fault though; iOS came first and made its solid footprint. Many games usually release on iOS first and overall look better on the iPhone, because every iPhone has the type of screen (640x960 and the previous 320x480), which works because it's divided by four. Because of this fact, the app store apps look to be more polished. That's an obvious benefit which I don't know how google can get around.

Comes this fall, I do plan on selling my gnex and getting the next gen iPhone, whether or not it gets the bigger screen. It will be much appreciated though if it does. I really like the two tone design and elongated screen so I do want that. I don't want them to widen the phone, otherwise it might fragment the app store. They could just keep the resolution of the screen the same and widen it though, but apps may look odd. Overall, I'd rather them just make it tall, unless magic happens and apps still look perfect on a taller and wider new resolution phone. Either way, I do hope the leaked design is true and hope Apple has some secret feature to remove some of the recent bad blood people have toward them. That sounds kinda fanboyish but whatever lol. I am glad Samsung and others have brought the heat to what will be the biggest battle yet this fall. Oh ya and this was my first post!

gapperonduty
Jul 16, 2012, 09:57 AM
I was also on the fence on this one...however after extended use with the gf's S3 I have changed my mind.

Correct me if I am wrong but the userfriendlyness that Android has been boasting eg: customizability, etc...is it not equally matched and in some case surpassed by a jailbreak of the iphone?

most of everything that android has, you can get the same with the jailbreak...

so the only selling point of an android phone, imo, is just the big and beautiful screen!:D

mattopotamus
Jul 16, 2012, 09:59 AM
I was also on the fence on this one...however after extended use with the gf's S3 I have changed my mind.

Correct me if I am wrong but the userfriendlyness that Android has been boasting eg: customizability, etc...is it not equally matched and in some case surpassed by a jailbreak of the iphone?

most of everything that android has, you can get the same with the jailbreak...

so the only selling point of an android phone, imo, is just the big and beautiful screen!:D

true. Jailbreaking can make your phone go a long way in terms of customizing, but i like to use my phones stock as they are. I won't jail break my droid and i only did it once on my iphone.

xraydoc
Jul 16, 2012, 10:56 AM
Hi there folks,

I have been an iPhone user since iPhone 3G and owned every iPhone iteration ever since.

In the meantime I would always check out competing android phones before each upgrade to see if they caught up to iPhone. The deal breaker for me then was that android phones didn't have as fluid UI as iphone.

After seeing the leaked images of iPhone 5 parts, i decided to finally jump ship. Making a phone just taller doesn't cut it for me. I use my phone in portrait mode 95 percent of the time and not increasing the width is a deal breaker.

I have finally bought an international version of Samsung Galaxy S3 with Quad-Core CPU.

What I liked about S3:

1. Amazing 4.8 inch screen. Before I bought S3, I always had to carry my iPad just in case if I needed to surf the net on the go because surfing on 3.5 screen is very uncomfortable. Now since I have S3, I haven't touched my iPad for weeks. While 4.8 screen can't replace an iPad, it's usable enough to not have to carry iPad wherever I go.

2. I can finally access files on my device(it has a file manager).

3. Can transfer files over bluetooth.

4. Don't have to use iTunes, I can just drag and drop mp3 files onto the device as I would do with a thump drive.

5. It has "true" multi-tasking.

6. Android doesn't lag in UI as it used to in 2.2 and 2.3. Overall the UI is as fluid as iPhone's

What I miss on S3:

1. iOS copy and paste is arguable slightly more usable, but maybe I am just not used to Android's implementation yet.

2. Slightly better selection of games in the App Store.


Overall I was very tired of the same old iOS. After seeing iOS 6 announcement, I finally realized how far ahead Android is.

At this rate of people jumping ship, I would be very worried if I were Apple.

I am not bashing Apple, I love their products, but I really couldn't wait another 1-2 years until they add features that have been available on android since 2.3
I, too, am currently test driving a Galaxy SIII (Verizon LTE). I very much agree with everything posted.

• The accessible file system makes juggling documents easier. While GoodReader on the iPhone does a fair job, there's no issue whatsoever about passing a document from one app to another and attaching documents to emails.

• The screen is every bit as good looking as the iPhone 4/4S retina display, or at least it is to my 42 year-old eyes. And the someone bigger text is a pleasant side effect.

• The keyboard & predictive text system that comes as standard on the Samsung TouchWiz UI is horrible and choppy (it is not the standard Google Android keyboard). SwiftKey from the Google market (Play Store) on the otherhand is fantastic. Much better IMHO than Apple's implementation. And the size of the screen makes accurate typing in portrait orientation effortless.

• Samsung S-voice isn't even in the same league as Siri. May not matter to some people, but I found Siri to be useful for reading aloud text messages is the car without ever looking away from the road.

• Evernote, an app I use constantly, seems to be better on Android than on iOS.

• The calendar app included with TouchWiz is much, much better than the standard Android calendar and also much better than the iOS calendar IMHO. I rely heavily on my calendar.

• Ability to set alternate default apps of course is something iOS doesn't allow.

• Pinch/Zoom in email is better on iOS. It's only fair on the standard TouchWiz email app and virtually non-existent in Google's Gmail app (which I'm not using as a result). For non-HTML email, I'd say it's a draw between iOS and the GSIII.

• The camera and camera app on the GSIII is superior to the 4S.

• Battery life is good, but not as good as the iPhone. I used to get through a full work day with 60% left on the iPhone. I'm at about 40% with the GSIII so far. We'll see how tweaking a few things helps.

• iCloud with Pages/Numbers/Keynote is great on iOS - fortunately still have my iPad for this, though Dropbox + any app on Android works nearly as well (or perhaps better in some situations).

I'll post more as the week goes on...

walie
Jul 16, 2012, 11:11 AM
I was also on the fence on this one...however after extended use with the gf's S3 I have changed my mind.

Correct me if I am wrong but the userfriendlyness that Android has been boasting eg: customizability, etc...is it not equally matched and in some case surpassed by a jailbreak of the iphone?

most of everything that android has, you can get the same with the jailbreak...

so the only selling point of an android phone, imo, is just the big and beautiful screen!:D

I expect you to show me how an iphone is able to match the customizability of android on the day iOS6 is released then.

batting1000
Jul 16, 2012, 11:15 AM
I expect you to show me how an iphone is able to match the customizability of android on the day iOS6 is released then.

I expect you to show me your Android home screen as it is now. I want to see all your "customizations".

alent1234
Jul 16, 2012, 12:25 PM
I expect you to show me how an iphone is able to match the customizability of android on the day iOS6 is released then.

a lot of us don't care about the customization, the live wall paper or any of the other cartoon stuff you can make your android phone look like. its 2012, a moving picture that moves from side to side is not that cool

iOS 5 penetration is something like 90% of the iOS installed base. android ICS is only 10% of the installed base. all the apps are still being coded for gingerbread. iOS 6 is going to have optimized apps come out for it before it ships. within a few months all the most popular apps will have been recompiled for the iOS 6 SDK

Google showed a nice OS but don't expect to see a good number of apps that take advantage of the new features until late 2013 at the earliest.

jeffe
Jul 16, 2012, 09:37 PM
For the curious since it was brought up.

Customized android homescreens
http://mycolorscreen.com/popular/?os=android#

and

Customized IOS homescreens

http://mycolorscreen.com/popular/?os=ios

onthecouchagain
Jul 16, 2012, 11:12 PM
For the curious since it was brought up.

Customized android homescreens
http://mycolorscreen.com/popular/?os=android#

and

Customized IOS homescreens

http://mycolorscreen.com/popular/?os=ios


Some of those Android home screens are seriously beautiful. Great resource, man. +1

Calidude
Jul 16, 2012, 11:31 PM
Some of those Android home screens are seriously beautiful. Great resource, man. +1
With freedom comes beauty. :D

The iGentleman
Jul 17, 2012, 12:17 AM
Yeah, of course the LATEST devices will get JB, but who knows which features it will or will not get. It's likely Samsung could exclude Google Now because they already have S Voice, and Now is one of the marquee features.
That's quite a bit of speculation you're doing there. Especially considering, there's no precedent to back it up. I'd say it's much more likely it would be included, than not.

I bet they wouldn't have released Google Now for a few more years if it weren't for Siri.
The same sort of statements could be said about iOS. One could say Apple would not have added navigation, if not for Google Navigation. One could say Apple would never have added Siri if not for Google Voice Search. The same can be stated about iOS' notification center, multitasking, new quick messages (in iOS 6), and several other things.



I never mentioned an unlocked iPhone 4S anywhere in any of my posts. You love putting words into my mouth.

What does it have lacking hardware wise? I want to know. :rolleyes:

As much as I like the 4S, I can answer this with: NFC, HD display, notification light, and LTE to name a few.

-NFC is great for not only making purchases, but also for automating tasks on your phone using NFC tags.
-HD display - Watching a TV show or movie in HD is a better experience that not watching in HD...that simple.
-Notification Light - Something so simple is so useful. It's great to be able to look across the room and see if you have a text message, see if your phone is still charging, etc.
-LTE is just plain awesome, and now with the current generation of LTE chips, it isn't as battery hungry as before.

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Correct me if I am wrong but the userfriendlyness that Android has been boasting eg: customizability, etc...is it not equally matched and in some case surpassed by a jailbreak of the iphone?

most of everything that android has, you can get the same with the jailbreak...

so the only selling point of an android phone, imo, is just the big and beautiful screen!:D
No. A jailbreak can imitate the stock features of Android, but it cannot match the level of customization of a rooted Android phone. For example, a jailbroken phone cannot overclock or underclock the cpu. As for jailbreaking to match Android features and customization, the issue I have with this argument is this: Why should a person have to hack their phone for basic features? The features iOS users have to hack their phones to get, Android users have out of the box, so you can't really compare the two. You can't compare a hacked phone with one that isn't hacked. If you compare a hacked iPhone to a hacked Android phone, the Android is going to have the greater customization potential.

The iGentleman
Jul 17, 2012, 12:33 AM
With freedom comes beauty. :D

Agreed. I like this one the best.
http://mycolorscreen.com/wp-content/uploads/homescreens_2012/101683/GalaxyNexusPres_GlowDock.png

roxxette
Jul 17, 2012, 08:10 AM
I dont understand why people keep saying the iphone jailbreak is on par with android costums.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 08:54 AM
For the curious since it was brought up.

Customized android homescreens
http://mycolorscreen.com/popular/?os=android#

and

Customized IOS homescreens

http://mycolorscreen.com/popular/?os=ios

I have to say most of those are the ugliest things I have ever seen (and not just the Android ones).

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 08:58 AM
No. A jailbreak can imitate the stock features of Android, but it cannot match the level of customization of a rooted Android phone. For example, a jailbroken phone cannot overclock or underclock the cpu. As for jailbreaking to match Android features and customization, the issue I have with this argument is this: Why should a person have to hack their phone for basic features? The features iOS users have to hack their phones to get, Android users have out of the box, so you can't really compare the two. You can't compare a hacked phone with one that isn't hacked. If you compare a hacked iPhone to a hacked Android phone, the Android is going to have the greater customization potential.

That's the thing, they aren't basic features. Basic features would be email, texting, browsing the web, downloading apps, etc. Androids customization features are add-ons/bonus features, not basic features. You may think they are basic because they are built in but that's incorrect.

tigert07
Jul 17, 2012, 10:03 AM
And its not stealing copying androids notification system? Or the reject call with an SMS? Or the camera lockscreen icon from Windows mobile?

Everyone copies everyone.

Google's Android is open, they can't sue people for taking their ideas. Their greatest feature is also one of their biggest downfalls

onthecouchagain
Jul 17, 2012, 10:07 AM
With freedom comes beauty. :D


And not only that, but after spending time customizing it, your device truly feels like your device. :)

frag2
Jul 17, 2012, 10:32 AM
a lot of us don't care about the customization, the live wall paper or any of the other cartoon stuff you can make your android phone look like. its 2012, a moving picture that moves from side to side is not that cool

iOS 5 penetration is something like 90% of the iOS installed base. android ICS is only 10% of the installed base. all the apps are still being coded for gingerbread. iOS 6 is going to have optimized apps come out for it before it ships. within a few months all the most popular apps will have been recompiled for the iOS 6 SDK

Google showed a nice OS but don't expect to see a good number of apps that take advantage of the new features until late 2013 at the earliest.

And herein lies the problem with Android-too much fragmentation to the point app devs don't know how to cater to when building software.

Having used both Android [even in its infancy] and IOS, IOS just works albeit in a fixed fashion. With Jelly Bean, Android has caught up, for the most part, to IOS in all but the apps part. The latter an issue mainly in quality.

I see it like this: Apple and Windows phone is all about the experience first, then specs. Android phones is all about specs [hence fragmentation amongst manufacturers], then the experience. The gap Android has between Specs and Experience has significantly shrunken in the last year though.

Apple does need to up their screen to 4-4.5in and introducing some new aspects to their homescreens IMO to "keep" up. There will still be the fanboys that hound all Apple goods but to those discounting Android simply because its not Apple made is stupid.

tbayrgs
Jul 17, 2012, 03:51 PM
At this rate of people jumping ship, I would be very worried if I were Apple.

I haven't read this entire thread so my apologies if previously mentioned--based on this very recent survey (http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/17/piper-jaffray-80-million-iphone-5s-sales-are-already-in-the-bag/), I don't think Apple has anything to worry about.

I think everyone here tends to forget that in general tech blog/forum readers are probably a bit more well versed in the use of their tech and represent a pretty small portion of the overall consumer market. Most smartphone owners barely scratch the surface of their devices capabilities and could care less about customizing/jailbreaking/rooting, have no idea what a file system is, wouldn't know how or need to transfer a file over bluetooth, think pentile is some sort of malady only affecting men, and probably couldn't tell you anything about the specs of their device if their life depended on it. Heck, if I mention to any of my family or friends that a new version of an OS is available and ask if they've updated yet, I usually get a blank stare like I was speaking another language. The point is, most, if not all of these great advancements are great but lost on the general consumer.

I just picked up a Galaxy Nexus to check out Jellybean and think it's a pretty great device but put it in the hands of any of my family and most of my friends and I guarantee they wouldn't think it's anything special.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 04:00 PM
And not only that, but after spending time customizing it, your device truly feels like your device. :)

So does my iPhone. :)

lordofthereef
Jul 17, 2012, 04:05 PM
So does my iPhone. :)

To each his own I suppose. My iPhone looks almost identical to my fiance's, which looks almost identical to my friend's. Some people don't like this. Some days I don't care, others I am on the fence. If UI customization is an important factor in feeling like "your phone is your phone", anything running iOS is not the phone to choose. I think we can agree on that much.

SR45
Jul 17, 2012, 04:20 PM
I haven't read this entire thread so my apologies if previously mentioned--based on this very recent survey (http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/17/piper-jaffray-80-million-iphone-5s-sales-are-already-in-the-bag/), I don't think Apple has anything to worry about.

I think everyone here tends to forget that in general tech blog/forum readers are probably a bit more well versed in the use of their tech and represent a pretty small portion of the overall consumer market. Most smartphone owners barely scratch the surface of their devices capabilities and could care less about customizing/jailbreaking/rooting, have no idea what a file system is, wouldn't know how or need to transfer a file over bluetooth, think pentile is some sort of malady only affecting men, and probably couldn't tell you anything about the specs of their device if their life depended on it. Heck, if I mention to any of my family or friends that a new version of an OS is available and ask if they've updated yet, I usually get a blank stare like I was speaking another language. The point is, most, if not all of these great advancements are great but lost on the general consumer.

I just picked up a Galaxy Nexus to check out Jellybean and think it's a pretty great device but put it in the hands of any of my family and most of my friends and I guarantee they wouldn't think it's anything special.

You just described me, and I can bet a great number of others that buy the Apple phone in record numbers, and just about laugh ourselves onto the floor reading from those jail breaking,rooting and customizing enthusiast that cannot live without bashing the iPhone because Apple doesn't play with the other manufactures model, but follows their own path of simple incremental improvements, and that is the way I really like it, and the reason I will purchase the new updated iPhone 5.

I like the iPhone and what it does for me, and like it more than any Android phone because of its size, mature appearance, and iOS that is simple to use. I do not customize nor root nor jailbreak. For those that want the other, by all means buy it, enjoy it, play with it, and find the other forums to post on with others that are just like you.

Sensamic
Jul 17, 2012, 04:29 PM
I like the iPhone and what it does for me, and like it more than any Android phone because of its size, mature appearance, and iOS that is simple to use. I do not customize nor root nor jailbreak. For those that want the other, by all means buy it, enjoy it, play with it, and find the other forums to post on with others that are just like you.

Actually... Android is easier to use than iOS. People think its otherwise but its not.

On iOS you have to go to the photos app to send them in an email, and you cant share any File to any app (like a photo to another app from within the photos app). You also cant change the default browser for when opening a Link in an email. To check your rss feeds you need to open a certain app. On android you can see them on a widget (the same with news, social updates, etc).

On iOS you need to Double tap for multitasking. On android one simple click on the multitasking button. On android you also have the back button which makes working easier and all.

Android is easier to use.

Mac.World
Jul 17, 2012, 04:40 PM
Google's Android is open, they can't sue people for taking their ideas. Their greatest feature is also one of their biggest downfalls

Incorrect. The reason Google hasn't sued Apple for the notification center (yet!) is because the patent Google applied for in 2008 hasn't been approved yet. When it is though, Apple will be in a world of hurt.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 04:44 PM
Have fun with your 3.5 screen! Oh wait...

I am having fun because it works better for me than a larger screen. That's not a bad thing.

Eddie Bombay
Jul 17, 2012, 04:50 PM
Only two things you need, an iPad 2/3 and a Galaxy S III.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Skika
Jul 17, 2012, 04:52 PM
Only two things you need, an iPad 2/3 and a Galaxy S III.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Why would one need 2 tablets?

skidbubble
Jul 17, 2012, 04:56 PM
Why would one need 2 tablets?

I'm pretty sure when he used '/' he meant 'and / or' as in:

iPad 2 and / or 3.

oBMTo
Jul 17, 2012, 05:15 PM
I have to say most of those are the ugliest things I have ever seen (and not just the Android ones).

Yeah this is really beautiful:
http://breztech.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/iphone-screen-shot.jpg

:rolleyes:

Anymore biased posts?

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 05:16 PM
Yeah this is really beautiful:
Image (http://breztech.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/iphone-screen-shot.jpg)

:rolleyes:

Anymore biased posts?

I admit to that being ugly, but the latest version of iOS is more appealing to me. Why didn't you just show a screenshot of iOS 5.1.1 or 6.0 beta 3 if it's the same?

Eddie Bombay
Jul 17, 2012, 05:16 PM
I'm pretty sure when he used '/' he meant 'and / or' as in:

iPad 2 and / or 3.

Thought he was making fun of the size of the Galaxy S3. Was going to say the difference in screen size between the two is night and day to me.

http://img.tapatalk.com/4b53570e-e44f-2a0d.jpg

tbayrgs
Jul 17, 2012, 06:20 PM
Have fun with your 3.5 screen! Oh wait...



Actually... Android is easier to use than iOS. People think its otherwise but its not.

On iOS you have to go to the photos app to send them in an email, and you cant share any File to any app (like a photo to another app from within the photos app). You also cant change the default browser for when opening a Link in an email. To check your rss feeds you need to open a certain app. On android you can see them on a widget (the same with news, social updates, etc).

On iOS you need to Double tap for multitasking. On android one simple click on the multitasking button. On android you also have the back button which makes working easier and all.

Android is easier to use.

Easier is a matter of perspective for each individual user. Takes as many touches (one) to open email as it does photos and probably takes same number of steps in both. What you're describing is functionality, not necessarily ease of use. Does Android offer more options to get an end result? In most cases, yes, probably. But I could probably come up with some examples of things it's easier to do in iOS as well. For example, how do you switch audio output in Android? How do I send audio, video, or an actual mirror of my screen to my Apple TV with my Android phone? What about syncing my Safari desktop bookmarks with Safari on Andr...oh, wait.

Personally, I find iOS a bit more intuitive, but again, that's just my opinion and other's may certainly vary.

lordofthereef
Jul 17, 2012, 06:41 PM
For example, how do you switch studio output in Android? What Is studio output?

How do I send audio, video, or an actual mirror of my screen to my Apple TV with my Android phone? HTC has something like this, though I forgot what it's called. I have done this all of twice on my iPhone though, both times just to "mess around". But then, we have a Home Theater PC. There is literally nothing I would ever want to airplay because it's all on the HTPC anyway. I agree, for those that use Airplay, and iOS device is probably the best choice.

What about syncing my Safari desktop bookmarks with Safari on Andr...oh, wait. Chrome

Personally, I find iOS a bit more intuitive, but again, that's just my opinion and not other's may certainly vary. I respect the opinion, but it is hard for me to understand. Email, Internet, Phone calls, SMS, downloading/launching apps... all of these things are nearly identical between iOS and Android. Again, not attempting to argue or prove anyone wrong, just understand.

Responses in bold

Sensamic
Jul 17, 2012, 06:58 PM
Easier is a matter of perspective for each individual user. Takes as many touches (one) to open email as it does photos and probably takes same number of steps in both. What you're describing is functionality, not necessarily ease of use. Does Android offer more options to get an end result? In most cases, yes, probably. But I could probably come up with some examples of things it's easier to do in iOS as well. For example, how do you switch studio output in Android? How do I send audio, video, or an actual mirror of my screen to my Apple TV with my Android phone? What about syncing my Safari desktop bookmarks with Safari on Andr...oh, wait.

Personally, I find iOS a bit more intuitive, but again, that's just my opinion and not other's may certainly vary.

Isnt Apple the one who doesnt allow anyone to connect to an Apple tv? I mean, are there other devices apart from iPhone, iPad and Mac that can connect to the Apple tv? I dont know. If not, then its apples fault.

I dont see Windows mobile phones connecting to the Apple tv.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 07:05 PM
Responses in bold

That's if you use Chrome. If you don't, you'd have to download Chrome, import your bookmarks, then download Chrome for the phone.

tbayrgs
Jul 17, 2012, 07:30 PM
I wasn't actually looking for answers to these questions, knowing full well that the answers favored iOS, but rather just trying to show that I can too come up with examples of easier tasks as the the first poster did. Remember, the context of that post was easier, not 'can it be done?'. As you were kind enough to take the time to reply, I felt obliged to do the same, responses in blue. And likewise, not trying to argue, just clarify.

Originally Posted by tbayrgs
For example, how do you switch studio output in Android? What Is studio output?. Sorry, typo on my part, should have said audio output.

How do I send audio, video, or an actual mirror of my screen to my Apple TV with my Android phone? HTC has something like this, though I forgot what it's called. I have done this all of twice on my iPhone though, both times just to "mess around". But then, we have a Home Theater PC. There is literally nothing I would ever want to airplay because it's all on the HTPC anyway. I agree, for those that use Airplay, and iOS device is probably the best choice. You have an HTPC on all of your TVs? I have Apple TVs on all of ours and it's great when the kids want to play a game with their friends (mirroring or AirPlay) or many times I'll come back from one of my kids sports/events and can immediately share a video or photos with the family on any TV. Also, can immediately stream other video sources (web or apps) to a TV. Again, not something everyone uses but trying to do this with Android is not possible.

What about syncing my Safari desktop bookmarks with Safari on Andr...oh, wait. Chrome I didn't ask for another browser. I prefer Safari. And how is changing to an entirely new browser on all my devices easier?

Personally, I find iOS a bit more intuitive, but again, that's just my opinion and other's may certainly vary. I respect the opinion, but it is hard for me to understand. Email, Internet, Phone calls, SMS, downloading/launching apps... all of these things are nearly identical between iOS and Android. Again, not attempting to argue or prove anyone wrong, just understand. Sure, the differences are subtle--more likely it's just a feeling. I have admittedly only played with ICS and JB for a little over a week and unfamiliarity after using another OS for a few years probably likely had more of an impact than anything. I think the stock phone app on iOS is far better than stock JB dialer and Safari better than stock browser or Chrome. but again, I'll qualify this as just my opinion, not trying to state it as FACT as so many try to do here with their own opinions.

chris2k5
Jul 17, 2012, 07:39 PM
I'd rather have the Galaxy Nexus. Jellybean is more worthwhile than getting the Galaxy S3.

tbayrgs
Jul 17, 2012, 07:40 PM
Isnt Apple the one who doesnt allow anyone to connect to an Apple tv? I mean, are there other devices apart from iPhone, iPad and Mac that can connect to the Apple tv? I dont know. If not, then its apples fault.

I dont see Windows mobile phones connecting to the Apple tv.

Doesn't matter if it's allowed or not, it's something I use quite a bit that cannot be easily replicated using Android. Your claim was Android is easier and gave a bunch of supposed examples. I'm doing the same thing to show its not.

lordofthereef
Jul 17, 2012, 08:06 PM
I wasn't actually looking for answers to these questions, knowing full well that the answers favored iOS, but rather just trying to show that I can too come up with examples of easier tasks as the the first poster did. Remember, the context of that post was easier, not 'can it be done?'. As you were kind enough to take the time to reply, I felt obliged to do the same, responses in blue. And likewise, not trying to argue, just clarify.

Ok, I am still not sure where you are going with audio output. Do you mean audio over bluetooth versus audio over anaolog headphones or something? Legitimately confused here, sorry! If that is what you mean, a simple toggle will take care of that. You can even have it on the home screen if that makes you happy.

As for HTPC on every TV, no. I have an Apple TV 2 jailbroken which runs XBMC (streams from HTPC). In another room I just got a raspberry Pi, which is superior in every way (IMO). $50 with SD card and power source, and it does everything my Apple TV does while running linux. It also has USB input as well as a spot for expandable inputs. It really is a wonderful little device. Admittedly, it's probably not for the every day Apple product user. It certainly isn't plug and play. If those two options still aren't good enough, there is now XBMC support with Android set top boxes. They run Jellybean, basically look like a clone of Apple TV, because they are one. Again, not saying not to go with Apple, I am just saying there are options (as I felt it was implied there may not be any).

As far as your explanation of "intuitive", I appreciate it, but honestly still don't understand. What about the stock dialer and browsers are better? Intuitive is essentially defined as being able to use something without thinking about it. How is Android different than iOS in those respects?

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That's if you use Chrome. If you don't, you'd have to download Chrome, import your bookmarks, then download Chrome for the phone.

Well of course it's if you use chrome bud. That is implied. He wants bookmark import. I gave an example of bookmark import. Saying you refuse to use chrome over safari is like saying you refuse to use Android over iOS. You can certainly decide you don't want to, but he was wanting examples of said functionality on Android. I gave them.

Why do I use chrome? Because I can sync all of that information irregardless of what OS I am on.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 08:07 PM
Ok, I am still not sure where you are going with audio output. Do you mean audio over bluetooth versus audio over anaolog headphones or something? Legitimately confused here, sorry!

As for HTPC on every TV, no. I have an Apple TV 2 jailbroken which runs XBMC (streams from HTPC). In another room I just got a raspberry Pi, which is superior in every way (IMO). $50 with SD card and power source, and it does everything my Apple TV does while running linux. It also has USB input as well as a spot for expandable inputs. It really is a wonderful little device. Admittedly, it's probably not for the every day Apple product user. It certainly isn't plug and play. If those two options still aren't good enough, there is now XBMC support with Android set top boxes. They run Jellybean, basically look like a clone of Apple TV, because they are one. Again, not saying not to go with Apple, I am just saying there are options (as I felt it was implied there may not be any).

As far as your explanation of "intuitive", I appreciate it, but honestly still don't understand. What about the stock dialer and browsers are better? Intuitive is essentially defined as being able to use something without thinking about it. How is Android different than iOS in those respects?

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Well of course it's if you use chrome bud. That is implied. He wants bookmark import. I gave an example of bookmark import. Saying you refuse to use chrome over safari is like saying you refuse to use Android over iOS. You can certainly decide you don't want to, but he was wanting examples of said functionality on Android. I gave them.

Why do I use chrome? Because I can sync all of that information irregardless of what OS I am on.

Well yes. I only said that because he didn't mention he wanted to use Chrome, nor would it be easier to do so than use Safari in the first place.

lordofthereef
Jul 17, 2012, 08:14 PM
Doesn't matter if it's allowed or not, it's something I use quite a bit that cannot be easily replicated using Android. Your claim was Android is easier and gave a bunch of supposed examples. I'm doing the same thing to show its not.

With the hardware you currently own, no it cannot. I think everyone's point here though is that if you make the choice to go with other hardware, you can get these features.

I mentioned my HTPC. Thanks to a third party developer I can get Apple's airplay working on that too. As mentioned, I have used it all of twice. It's a neat party trick to show off AirPlay on a Windows machine though :)

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Well yes. I only said that because he didn't mention he wanted to use Chrome, nor would it be easier to do so than use Safari in the first place.

If we are starting on level ground, they are equally easy. If you are starting with safari already set up this way, it stands to reason that it will be more work to set up a new web browser than it would be to just keep using what you have now, right?

Sensamic
Jul 17, 2012, 08:17 PM
Doesn't matter if it's allowed or not, it's something I use quite a bit that cannot be easily replicated using Android. Your claim was Android is easier and gave a bunch of supposed examples. I'm doing the same thing to show its not.

So... you say android is not easier because it cant connect to your Apple devices? Okay...

Can Apple devices connect to other devices like TVs with DLNA or USB? No, right? Then they are not easier either...

Only way to stream iOS content to a TV is with the Apple tv. No other options available for anyone that doesnt want to buy an Apple tv. Thats not easier Id say... Its more difficult.

The iPhone cant even connect with other iPhones or mobile devices as far as Im concerned: no NFC (android Beam), no Bluetooth for sending files to another phone or PC, etc.

The only way in iOS to send files to another device is with iMessage (and only to people with iOs devices and only pictures and photos and you have to give away your Apple ID) or email (and you have to give away your email). You cant send files to a phone thats not an iphone.

Can you send a mp3 song to a non iOS device? Its a very simple task... or should be...


And my Chrome bookmarks and open tabs are synced in all my devices: iPad, iMac, SGS3 and Windows PC. I guess that beats Safari... Plus it lets me download files directly from the browser. On iOS you need a third parte app to download stuff from the web... That is easier also on iOS right...

lordofthereef
Jul 17, 2012, 08:19 PM
Only way to stream iOS content to a TV is with the Apple tv. No other options available for anyone that doesnt want to buy an Apple tv. Thats not easier Id say... Its more difficult.



There is, as I mentioned above, at least on Windows. As long as you have your machine networked, you need no (additional) hardware. But that isn't thanks to Apple. It's thanks to third party devs.

tbayrgs
Jul 17, 2012, 08:20 PM
Ok, I am still not sure where you are going with audio output. Do you mean audio over bluetooth versus audio over anaolog headphones or something? Legitimately confused here, sorry! If that is what you mean, a simple toggle will take care of that. You can even have it on the home screen if that makes you happy.

As for HTPC on every TV, no. I have an Apple TV 2 jailbroken which runs XBMC (streams from HTPC). In another room I just got a raspberry Pi, which is superior in every way (IMO). $50 with SD card and power source, and it does everything my Apple TV does while running linux. It also has USB input as well as a spot for expandable inputs. It really is a wonderful little device. Admittedly, it's probably not for the every day Apple product user. It certainly isn't plug and play. If those two options still aren't good enough, there is now XBMC support with Android set top boxes. They run Jellybean, basically look like a clone of Apple TV, because they are one. Again, not saying not to go with Apple, I am just saying there are options (as I felt it was implied there may not be any).

As far as your explanation of "intuitive", I appreciate it, but honestly still don't understand. What about the stock dialer and browsers are better? Intuitive is essentially defined as being able to use something without thinking about it. How is Android different than iOS in those respects?

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Well of course it's if you use chrome bud. That is implied. He wants bookmark import. I gave an example of bookmark import. Saying you refuse to use chrome over safari is like saying you refuse to use Android over iOS. You can certainly decide you don't want to, but he was wanting examples of said functionality on Android. I gave them.

Why do I use chrome? Because I can sync all of that information irregardless of what OS I am on.

In the iOS dialed, immediate tab for favorites as well as voicemail and all tabs are labeled, don't see either functionality in the Android dialer and nothing is lableled. Safari has soft keys for all functions right at the bottom of the screen while you need to touch an options button (unlabeled with 3 vertical dots) to get to additional functionality. These are 2 cases where I find iOS more intuitive. Hopefully that clarifies.

And the speak to your reply to batting1000, you were mistaken as I wasn't looking for functionality. My original reply spoke to ease of use and my example was meant to illustrate a situation that was not easy in Android. I honestly do prefer Safari and if I want to sync my Safai bookmarks with my phone browser and keep them synced, I cannot easily do so.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 08:25 PM
If we are starting on level ground, they are equally easy. If you are starting with safari already set up this way, it stands to reason that it will be more work to set up a new web browser than it would be to just keep using what you have now, right?

Yeah, that was pretty much my point.

AdamskiUK
Jul 17, 2012, 08:26 PM
Call me an idiot, and perhaps lazy for not Googling this but I wanted a straight-up clear answer.

Why is it important/why have people opted to buy an 'international' SGS3 as opposed to just an upright off the shelf normal one from their local shop/contract people?

I own a 4S. My first ever iPhone. I really wanted an Android before hand because of all the additional capabilities, but now it's come to pass I've realised I really don't care about seeing the weather on my home screen. I suppose it's all personal, but I hated how the old OS was inherently laggy - which was a big no no for me. iOS was smooth, fluid-like and efficient, with a much wider app-support base.

Recently, however, I saw the SGN running 4.1 and I was quite surprised. Jellybean has got this 'Butter' thing up and running and the entire UI is just impeccably quick. People say iOS 6 is playing catch up with the rest of the world, and to some extent I agree, but at least they nailed what 'Butter' has taken countless iterations to achieve.

Another question I have, if anyone might help, is that if I decided to jump-ship due to Apple's poor offering this Autumn (it might happen, and it's looking that way), if I bought a Google Nexus phone, would I still be given regular and fast updates to the latest Android OS as opposed to a bog-standard phone which doesn't get the OS update?

Cheers :)

tbayrgs
Jul 17, 2012, 08:30 PM
With the hardware you currently own, no it cannot. I think everyone's point here though is that if you make the choice to go with other hardware, you can get these features.

I mentioned my HTPC. Thanks to a third party developer I can get Apple's airplay working on that too. As mentioned, I have used it all of twice. It's a neat party trick to show off AirPlay on a Windows machine though :)

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If we are starting on level ground, they are equally easy. If you are starting with safari already set up this way, it stands to reason that it will be more work to set up a new web browser than it would be to just keep using what you have now, right?

All right guys, let's just call this discussion completed and agree to disagree as we clearly are just sort of going in circles. My original post was only to reply to Sensamic's statement that Android is EASIER and that I thought ease of use is simply a matter of one's perspective, nothing else. He gave examples where he though Android was easier, i gave alternate examples where its not, nothing more. I never claimed iOS was more functional, I'm not that naive.

Enjoyed the lively discussion, even if we really didn't ended up anywhere other than where we started. ;)

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 08:31 PM
Call me an idiot, and perhaps lazy for not Googling this but I wanted a straight-up clear answer.

Why is it important/why have people opted to buy an 'international' SGS3 as opposed to just an upright off the shelf normal one from their local shop/contract people?

The international version is quad-core, versus a dual-core with 2GB here in the States.

I own a 4S. My first ever iPhone. I really wanted an Android before hand because of all the additional capabilities, but now it's come to pass I've realised I really don't care about seeing the weather on my home screen. I suppose it's all personal, but I hated how the old OS was inherently laggy - which was a big no no for me. iOS was smooth, fluid-like and efficient, with a much wider app-support base.

Recently, however, I saw the SGN running 4.1 and I was quite surprised. Jellybean has got this 'Butter' thing up and running and the entire UI is just impeccably quick. People say iOS 6 is playing catch up with the rest of the world, and to some extent I agree, but at least they nailed what 'Butter' has taken countless iterations to achieve.

Another question I have, if anyone might help, is that if I decided to jump-ship due to Apple's poor offering this Autumn (it might happen, and it's looking that way), if I bought a Google Nexus phone, would I still be given regular and fast updates to the latest Android OS as opposed to a bog-standard phone which doesn't get the OS update?

Yes, that's the point of the Nexus line of devices.

Cheers :)

Responses bolded and underlined. :p

lordofthereef
Jul 17, 2012, 08:36 PM
In the iOS dialed, immediate tab for favorites as well as voicemail and all tabs are labeled, don't see either functionality in the Android dialer and nothing is lableled. Safari has soft keys for all functions right at the bottom of the screen while you need to touch an options button (unlabeled with 3 vertical dots) to get to additional functionality. These are 2 cases where I find iOS more intuitive. Hopefully that clarifies.

And the speak to your reply to batting1000, you were mistaken as I wasn't looking for functionality. My original reply spoke to ease of use and my example was meant to illustrate a situation that was not easy in Android. I honestly do prefer Safari and if I want to sync my Safai bookmarks with my phone browser and keep them synced, I cannot easily do so.

So in one instance (the dialer), illustrations is important. In Safari, there is no illustration, Just soft buttons. Why is that an issue in Android, but not iOS?

In terms of Safari use, that's great. Use the browser that is best for you. If you are set on Safari, yes, iOS is going to be the only mobile OS you can use it on. Might as well forget about even mentioning bookmark syncing though, because a device that isn't allowed to use Safari is never going to sync with Safari at all. That's why I took the duplicate functionality stance in the first place. I thought bookmark syncing is what mattered to you, not specifically using Safari which allows bookmark syncing into Safari.

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All right guys, let's just call this discussion completed and agree to disagree as we clearly are just sort of going in circles. My original post was only to reply to Sensamic's statement that Android is EASIER and that I thought ease of use is simply a matter of one's perspective, nothing else. He gave examples where he though Android was easier, i gave alternate examples where its not, nothing more. I never claimed iOS was more functional, I'm not that naive.

Enjoyed the lively discussion, even if we really didn't ended up anywhere other than where we started. ;)

If you want to end the discussion, that's fine. As far as I can tell, it's a civil one, without any hurt feelings, so why ask others to stop?

I don't think we disagree on a whole lot. I don't think Android does many things easier than iOS. Just differently. I think both OS's can do largely the same things at this point in time. It's largely a preference of HOW you want to do those things, really.

tbayrgs
Jul 17, 2012, 08:43 PM
Call me an idiot, and perhaps lazy for not Googling this but I wanted a straight-up clear answer.

Why is it important/why have people opted to buy an 'international' SGS3 as opposed to just an upright off the shelf normal one from their local shop/contract people?

I own a 4S. My first ever iPhone. I really wanted an Android before hand because of all the additional capabilities, but now it's come to pass I've realised I really don't care about seeing the weather on my home screen. I suppose it's all personal, but I hated how the old OS was inherently laggy - which was a big no no for me. iOS was smooth, fluid-like and efficient, with a much wider app-support base.

Recently, however, I saw the SGN running 4.1 and I was quite surprised. Jellybean has got this 'Butter' thing up and running and the entire UI is just impeccably quick. People say iOS 6 is playing catch up with the rest of the world, and to some extent I agree, but at least they nailed what 'Butter' has taken countless iterations to achieve.

Another question I have, if anyone might help, is that if I decided to jump-ship due to Apple's poor offering this Autumn (it might happen, and it's looking that way), if I bought a Google Nexus phone, would I still be given regular and fast updates to the latest Android OS as opposed to a bog-standard phone which doesn't get the OS update?

Cheers :)

The international version uses a different CPU (quad core vs. dual core in US variants). Us Yanks are stuck with the dual core due to the quad core's incompatibility with LTE (for now). Obviously then, the international version also isn't LTE compatible.

As far as the Google Nexus goes, I just dealt with this very same issue. Depending on where the GNex is sources from, it will come with a different OS build--takju is the US version sold through Google Play, yakju is the version sold in Western Europe, while versions from other parts of the world will have yakjuxx with xx being various other letters depending where it came from. Only takju and yakju are maintained by Google and will receive the updates first. The remainder are reliant upon Samsung for their OS updates.

I bought my GNex through Newegg here in the States and it came with the yakjuxw build so unfortunately I wasn't getting JB with all the other Google maintained builds. Problem was easily solved by unlocking the bootloader and flashing a copy of takju ICS 4.04. As soon as I had that installed, I checked for a system update and voila, had JB downloading and installed in a matter of minutes.

iosuser
Jul 17, 2012, 08:45 PM
I'd rather have the Galaxy Nexus. Jellybean is more worthwhile than getting the Galaxy S3.

I guess grass is always greener next door lol :p I've been using a Gnex for 1.5 weeks now. Since Jelly Bean it is completely lag-free, every bit as fast and smooth as the 4S, in fact the browser feels faster than the 4S. BUT I've been itching to try the S3 the entire time, for the better camera, micro SD slot and perhaps the better battery life. The only thing holding me back is the two times that I demoed the S3 were less than impressive (surprising lag and ran hot). I'm having to restrain everyday not to blow my upgrade on the S3, hoping to save that upgrade just in case Apple surprises everyone with a bigger iPhone in both dimensions, but I'm perfectly comfortable with Jelly Bean now.

Sensamic
Jul 17, 2012, 08:51 PM
I guess grass is always greener next door lol :p I've been using a Gnex for 1.5 weeks now. Since Jelly Bean it is completely lag-free, every bit as fast and smooth as the 4S, in fact the browser feels faster than the 4S. BUT I've been itching to try the S3 the entire time, for the better camera, micro SD slot and perhaps the better battery life. The only thing holding me back is the two times that I demoed the S3 were less than impressive (surprising lag and ran hot). I'm having to restrain everyday not to blow my upgrade on the S3, hoping to save that upgrade just in case Apple surprises everyone with a bigger iPhone in both dimensions, but I'm perfectly comfortable with Jelly Bean now.

CM10 Jelly Bean ROM just released for the SGS3.

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 08:51 PM
CM10 Jelly Bean ROM just released for the SGS3.

Except it's an alpha.

tbayrgs
Jul 17, 2012, 09:07 PM
So in one instance (the dialer), illustrations is important. In Safari, there is no illustration, Just soft buttons. Why is that an issue in Android, but not iOS? I was only comparing app to app. Sure there's no labels in either browser but I don't have to hit a soft key in Safari to list all of the functions, they're within thumbs reach at the bottom of the screen.


In terms of Safari use, that's great. Use the browser that is best for you. If you are set on Safari, yes, iOS is going to be the only mobile OS you can use it on. Might as well forget about even mentioning bookmark syncing though, because a device that isn't allowed to use Safari is never going to sync with Safari at all. That's why I took the duplicate functionality stance in the first place. I thought bookmark syncing is what mattered to you, not specifically using Safari which allows bookmark syncing into Safari.

If you want to end the discussion, that's fine. As far as I can tell, it's a civil one, without any hurt feelings, so why ask others to stop?My apologies, didnt mean to imply any ill feeling directed your way. I'm beat and off to bed, just wanted to wrap it up rather than appear to be ignoring it.

I don't think we disagree on a whole lot. I don't think Android does many things easier than iOS. Just differently. I think both OS's can do largely the same things at this point in time. It's largely a preference of HOW you want to do those things, really.My original intended point, exactly. I just take issue with someone trying to impose their opinion as absolute fact and that's how I interpretated Sensamic's original post. Thanks for clearly stating what I was obviously unable to do.

roxxette
Jul 17, 2012, 09:11 PM
I admit to that being ugly, but the latest version of iOS is more appealing to me. Why didn't you just show a screenshot of iOS 5.1.1 or 6.0 beta 3 if it's the same?

Looks same to me :p

http://img.tapatalk.com/ba061a7e-1b77-26fa.jpg

batting1000
Jul 17, 2012, 09:18 PM
Looks same to me :p

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/ba061a7e-1b77-26fa.jpg)

All the icons look more polished, especially Settings and Maps. The wallpaper gives the cons added flair as well. The original home screen doesn't really have substance if you know what I mean.

roxxette
Jul 17, 2012, 09:34 PM
@batting yeah i understand what you say, true the icons looks a bit more polish and god knows the mandatory black wallpaper was quite boring.

Ive been using that wallpaper for more than a year know :) dont know but it feels right and make the screen more "happy" hehehe

JamesHP
Jul 18, 2012, 06:47 AM
I too switched to the GS3 after having used iPhones for three years (3GS/4). I had a HTC Desire in between the two iPhones and absolutely hated it; Android and HTC Sense were clunky, the phone had terrible battery life even compared to the 3GS, there was virtually no storage for apps and the camera was rubbish - so I switched back to the iPhone when the 4 launched. Had that for two years, and coming onto the Galaxy S3 is a breath of fresh air for me. Android has become so much more refined than it was when I had the Desire, the entire internal storage can now be used for apps (finally) and I have the option to expand using the MicroSD slot (which I have done, for the camera and music).

In terms of the Galaxy S3 handset itself, I'm in love. The screen is every bit as lovely as the iPhone 4's, while being much bigger. I really like the UI and the widgets, and the phone itself is lightning fast. Battery life is better than my old iPhone's (the biggest gripe I had with the Desire) and all of the apps I used regularly on my iPhone are on the Desire; there's nothing at all I miss.

The two gripes I had with the GS3 when I first got it have been solved for me now. The first was the keyboard; I found I was much slower typing on it than the iPhone 4's, despite the larger size. The autocorrect feature wasn't a patch on the iPhone implementation. Fortunately, I found Jelly Bean Keyboard (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jellybeankeyboard.f.g&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImplbGx5YmVhbmtleWJvYXJkLmYuZyJd) on the Play Store, which is much nicer to type on than the stock Samsung keyboard. The autocorrect feature is comparable to the iPhone in terms of accuracy, and will correct spaces, something the stock keyboard didn't do (and something I really missed from the iPhone!). Second is the issue of my speaker dock, but I've bought a Belkin bluetooth audio receiver, which makes that no issue at all now.

Overall, I'm extremely happy with it so far and think I've made the right choice.

pilot1226
Jul 18, 2012, 07:57 AM
I know it's been said a bunch of times: My reason for staying with an iPhone is simple: it seamlessly integrates with all of my other things. While I am certainly aware that there are options for Windows PC's to synchronize and such, it's considerably more "burdensome."

While Apple certainly has a price premium compared to its counterparts, I would say that I'm happy getting something "that just works."

Dontazemebro
Jul 18, 2012, 08:32 AM
I was also on the fence on this one...however after extended use with the gf's S3 I have changed my mind.

Correct me if I am wrong but the userfriendlyness that Android has been boasting eg: customizability, etc...is it not equally matched and in some case surpassed by a jailbreak of the iphone?

most of everything that android has, you can get the same with the jailbreak...

so the only selling point of an android phone, imo, is just the big and beautiful screen!:D

This is correct but then rooting gives you more options. Some of which can't be accomplished with jailbreak.

jlwilsonjr
Jul 18, 2012, 08:40 AM
I guess grass is always greener next door lol :p I've been using a Gnex for 1.5 weeks now. Since Jelly Bean it is completely lag-free, every bit as fast and smooth as the 4S, in fact the browser feels faster than the 4S. BUT I've been itching to try the S3 the entire time, for the better camera, micro SD slot and perhaps the better battery life. The only thing holding me back is the two times that I demoed the S3 were less than impressive (surprising lag and ran hot). I'm having to restrain everyday not to blow my upgrade on the S3, hoping to save that upgrade just in case Apple surprises everyone with a bigger iPhone in both dimensions, but I'm perfectly comfortable with Jelly Bean now.

I really wanted the gnex but decided on the S3 due to the micro sd slot. This phone is amazing I've had it for 2 weeks now, super fast, great camera, screen is crazy clear. Just orderedva 64gig card for it off of amazon for 60 bucks can't beat that!

Sensamic
Jul 18, 2012, 11:23 AM
The two gripes I had with the GS3 when I first got it have been solved for me now. The first was the keyboard; I found I was much slower typing on it than the iPhone 4's, despite the larger size. The autocorrect feature wasn't a patch on the iPhone implementation. Fortunately, I found Jelly Bean Keyboard (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jellybeankeyboard.f.g&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImplbGx5YmVhbmtleWJvYXJkLmYuZyJd) on the Play Store, which is much nicer to type on than the stock Samsung keyboard. The autocorrect feature is comparable to the iPhone in terms of accuracy, and will correct spaces, something the stock keyboard didn't do (and something I really missed from the iPhone!). Second is the issue of my speaker dock, but I've bought a Belkin bluetooth audio receiver, which makes that no issue at all now.

Overall, I'm extremely happy with it so far and think I've made the right choice.

Download Swiftkey 3 and Swype keyboard. I use this last one and it will blow your mind away. Now I write 2x faster than on any keyboard.

If Apple could add Swype to its iOS devices it would be awesome.

onthecouchagain
Jul 18, 2012, 11:30 AM
Speaking of keyboards... the Jelly Bean keyboard is a step back from the ICS keyboard. Strangely, it's more like iOS' keyboard now.

My complaints:
Backspacing is a ton slower;

It doesn't catch autocorrection as reliably as it used to (I shouldn't ever see "thr" which typically autocorrects to "the" but it sometimes misses it);

It misses keys where in ICS it never did.


I don't fully understand what's happening on a programing level (maybe they changed the algorithms or whatever to aid predictive text thus making it slower? Don't know..) but the stock JB keyboard is a step back.

I'm hoping it's just early glitches in JB, but something tells me it's not.

Sensamic
Jul 18, 2012, 12:10 PM
Seeing how the first Galaxy S is getting JB ROMS Im sure the SGS3 will get at least two more OS updates via ROMS after JB. With its high end hardware CM will probably keep releasing their ROMS on it after JB, so the phone has at least 3 more years of life updates (outside Samsung obviously).

Just a guess.

Mac.World
Jul 18, 2012, 12:15 PM
Speaking of keyboards... the Jelly Bean keyboard is a step back from the ICS keyboard. Strangely, it's more like iOS' keyboard now.

My complaints:
Backspacing is a ton slower;

It doesn't catch autocorrection as reliably as it used to (I shouldn't ever see "thr" which typically autocorrects to "the" but it sometimes misses it);

It misses keys where in ICS it never did.


I don't fully understand what's happening on a programing level (maybe they changed the algorithms or whatever to aid predictive text thus making it slower? Don't know..) but the stock JB keyboard is a step back.

I'm hoping it's just early glitches in JB, but something tells me it's not.
I will never understand why anyone uses those stock keyboards. They are all crap compared to Swiftkey 3. Besides, the predictive text, I like the fact that all the special keys are right there on the keyboard and require a slightly longer press to engage them. No flipping between keyboard for @ or $ or ().
Of course, just telling your Android phone what to type is a lot easier too.

Biggest gripe for me is the iOS keyboard. I hate the stock one and the 5 row one, but only because the auto correct and auto capitilize are complete PITA!

onthecouchagain
Jul 18, 2012, 12:21 PM
I will never understand why anyone uses those stock keyboards. They are all crap compared to Swiftkey 3. Besides, the predictive text, I like the fact that all the special keys are right there on the keyboard and require a slightly longer press to engage them. No flipping between keyboard for @ or $ or ().
Of course, just telling your Android phone what to type is a lot easier too.

Biggest gripe for me is the iOS keyboard. I hate the stock one and the 5 row one, but only because the auto correct and auto capitilize are complete PITA!

I've always been impressed by Swiftkey, but it also felt like I was getting my messages done slower. You had to keep an eye on the suggestion bar and if it got it wrong, you had to type it in yourself. It sort of breaks the flow.

Just me though.

studmule
Jul 18, 2012, 01:55 PM
I switched from the 4S to the Galaxy S3. I just returned it though, and switched back to my 4S. I loved everything about the S3, except for the poor screen visibililty outside in the sunlight. on a bright sunny day the screen is barely visible, even when the brightness was at it's highest. My 4S screen is much easier to see in bright sunlight.

BruceiD
Jul 18, 2012, 02:09 PM
I bought an iPhone 4S in February and I've loved it and still loving it, I agree that the hardware is not as incredible as the Samsung Galaxy S3 but Software... Touchwiz no thanks.
To me the deal breaker when I had to choose was 'after you buy the phone': the cases, the apps, the accessories in general.
In my opinion the design of the 4S is still very nice but a bigger screen is something that it is lacking.
If the rumors are true that the next gen. iPhone will be just taller I think that Apple will lose a big market share. Obviously all the fanboys will be loving it and saying that a 3,5" was way to small (while they used to say that a 3,5" was perfect). But is it innovative? Is Apple taking a risk when they announce an iPhone that's just slightly taller?
No.
Anyways I love my 4S, if I had a Samsung Galaxy S3, I'd love it, it all depends on what you like/prefer and what you want.
The real difference is not in specs, it's in how it functions for you.

Sensamic
Jul 18, 2012, 03:42 PM
I bought an iPhone 4S in February and I've loved it and still loving it, I agree that the hardware is not as incredible as the Samsung Galaxy S3 but Software... Touchwiz no thanks.
To me the deal breaker when I had to choose was 'after you buy the phone': the cases, the apps, the accessories in general.
In my opinion the design of the 4S is still very nice but a bigger screen is something that it is lacking.
If the rumors are true that the next gen. iPhone will be just taller I think that Apple will lose a big market share. Obviously all the fanboys will be loving it and saying that a 3,5" was way to small (while they used to say that a 3,5" was perfect). But is it innovative? Is Apple taking a risk when they announce an iPhone that's just slightly taller?
No.
Anyways I love my 4S, if I had a Samsung Galaxy S3, I'd love it, it all depends on what you like/prefer and what you want.
The real difference is not in specs, it's in how it functions for you.

If the taller screen in the new iPhone is true then content will still seem smaller despite the increase in screen. Think about it: text will look just the same (more líneas of text will appear but the overall size of text will still be the same. It will still be difficult to read). Its kind of an illusion. Its a bigger screen but everything will still look small.

That is why I changed for the S3 also. I can change the size of the font to make it bigger or smaller if I chose too.

lordofthereef
Jul 18, 2012, 03:56 PM
I was only comparing app to app. Sure there's no labels in either browser but I don't have to hit a soft key in Safari to list all of the functions, they're within thumbs reach at the bottom of the screen.

My point was, that Safari's buttons took some getting used to. It's probably second nature to you now, as it is to me. I have been using it for five years. I'd be interested in how "intuitive" these features are to someone who has never used a smartphone. When I visit the parents, I'd consider showing my mom. Problem is, she is completely inept when it comes to technology, so she might be a worse-than-average candidate! :p


My apologies, didnt mean to imply any ill feeling directed your way. I'm beat and off to bed, just wanted to wrap it up rather than appear to be ignoring it.
No worries. I basically disappeared too! LOL. Didn't realize the time clock was telling me it's time to go home too! :)


My original intended point, exactly. I just take issue with someone trying to impose their opinion as absolute fact and that's how I interpretated Sensamic's original post. Thanks for clearly stating what I was obviously unable to do.

As mentioned, there are a handful of (what I consider) small things that one OS can do that the other can not (this goes both ways). Your examples of Airplay were spot on. While the function can certainly be duplicated with certain handsets, it is not ubiquitous throughout Android. Simple things like sending files via email, however, are completely absent in iOS, as was mentioned in another's example. We will at least be able to attach multiple pictures easily via iOS6 which, admittedly, is 99% of what I attach to emails anyway, but it's shocking that this sort of functionality isn't just baked in, at least to me.

At the end of the day, when a person asks me (and this often happens) whether they should go with Android or iOS, I always ask them what their general computer aptitude is as well as what other products they have in their home. If they have never used either OS (and don't have a bundle of other Apple products at home) I feel like the playing feel today is pretty level. We need to remember that this person who is new to smartphones probably isn't going to be as nit picky about certain specific features as a power user would be.

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If the taller screen in the new iPhone is true then content will still seem smaller despite the increase in screen. Think about it: text will look just the same (more líneas of text will appear but the overall size of text will still be the same. It will still be difficult to read). Its kind of an illusion. Its a bigger screen but everything will still look small.

That is why I changed for the S3 also. I can change the size of the font to make it bigger or smaller if I chose too.

With that screen, text will be the same size, but we will have more of it per page. personally I expect them to do push content consumption, assuming the screen is as the rumors showcase it. True widescreen HD video playback.

Personally, I have never had a problem with text size. I have always wanted more space for content on the page. That said, I would have liked it wider too, namely for adding keyboard area.

cwwilson
Jul 18, 2012, 06:50 PM
Download Swiftkey 3 and Swype keyboard. I use this last one and it will blow your mind away. Now I write 2x faster than on any keyboard.

If Apple could add Swype to its iOS devices it would be awesome.

I love swype on my SGS3 but this keyboard on the Nexus 7 is quite good as well. I feel its word prediction is at least on par with the iPhone.

harcosparky
Jul 18, 2012, 06:56 PM
Way to big to be classed as something you can stick in your jeans pocket! I'll keep my iPhone thanks but enjoy your tech. ;-)


It's like a Smart Phone for the visually impaired.

Not trying to insult anyone, I looked at it because of my eye sight.

It would be great, but as a phone it is just too damn big.

Eddie Bombay
Jul 18, 2012, 07:20 PM
Just orderedva 64gig card for it off of amazon for 60 bucks can't beat that!

Gimme a link!

iosuser
Jul 18, 2012, 08:34 PM
So I went to a T-Mobile store today to borrow their sim card to test my 4S' unlock. Worked great, connected to Tmo's network right away. On my way out I played with their demo S3. It did not lag and run hot like my previous two demos at two other stores. Drove straight to Bestbuy and got myself an S3 :D Compared to the Nexus on Jelly Bean there's still the occasional hiccup, the Nexus on JB is fast and smooth everywhere all the time, faster than the 4S. But I'll trade it for the much better camera, SD slot, and longer battery life. LTE just a bonus I don't yet care for. I do have to find out why this keyboard lags when I try to type fast, no lag on the Nexus like this.

As soon as I connected it to my home wifi, it found my shared music and recorded TV shows on my HTPC, I didn't have to do a thing. I guess the extra bloat Samsung put on is not all completely useless.

This transition to Android is much easier and smoother than I thought, the toughest thing now is the couple hundred bucks worth of apps and games I give up for it, but I still have my iPad for my iOS fix.

lordofthereef
Jul 18, 2012, 08:39 PM
I love swype on my SGS3 but this keyboard on the Nexus 7 is quite good as well. I feel its word prediction is at least on par with the iPhone.

I find the stock ICS and JB keyboards to have better word pridiction than the iPhone too.

Vegastouch
Jul 18, 2012, 08:48 PM
I do have one negative about the GS3. Screen is nearly unreadable for me in sunlight. The screen though it is nice, isnt bright enough for me in the sun. Its not a real big deal really as im not usually trying to use it in direct sunlight but it was annoying today.

bandofbrothers
Jul 19, 2012, 12:55 AM
Bye bye then !

Glad you got all that off ya chest.

Faux Carnival
Jul 19, 2012, 03:14 AM
I know it's been said a bunch of times: My reason for staying with an iPhone is simple: it seamlessly integrates with all of my other things. While I am certainly aware that there are options for Windows PC's to synchronize and such, it's considerably more "burdensome."

While Apple certainly has a price premium compared to its counterparts, I would say that I'm happy getting something "that just works."

Well, you have been in Steve Jobs' reality distortion field too long. Have fun with your "seamlessly integrating" igadgets which "just work". Ah and which have the brilliant, awesome, excellent, perfect "Retina Display".

wovel
Jul 19, 2012, 03:20 AM
Hi there folks,

I have been an iPhone user since iPhone 3G and owned every iPhone iteration ever since.

In the meantime I would always check out competing android phones before each upgrade to see if they caught up to iPhone. The deal breaker for me then was that android phones didn't have as fluid UI as iphone.

After seeing the leaked images of iPhone 5 parts, i decided to finally jump ship. Making a phone just taller doesn't cut it for me. I use my phone in portrait mode 95 percent of the time and not increasing the width is a deal breaker.

I have finally bought an international version of Samsung Galaxy S3 with Quad-Core CPU.

What I liked about S3:

1. Amazing 4.8 inch screen. Before I bought S3, I always had to carry my iPad just in case if I needed to surf the net on the go because surfing on 3.5 screen is very uncomfortable. Now since I have S3, I haven't touched my iPad for weeks. While 4.8 screen can't replace an iPad, it's usable enough to not have to carry iPad wherever I go.

2. I can finally access files on my device(it has a file manager).

3. Can transfer files over bluetooth.

4. Don't have to use iTunes, I can just drag and drop mp3 files onto the device as I would do with a thump drive.

5. It has "true" multi-tasking.

6. Android doesn't lag in UI as it used to in 2.2 and 2.3. Overall the UI is as fluid as iPhone's

What I miss on S3:

1. iOS copy and paste is arguable slightly more usable, but maybe I am just not used to Android's implementation yet.

2. Slightly better selection of games in the App Store.


Overall I was very tired of the same old iOS. After seeing iOS 6 announcement, I finally realized how far ahead Android is.

At this rate of people jumping ship, I would be very worried if I were Apple.

I am not bashing Apple, I love their products, but I really couldn't wait another 1-2 years until they add features that have been available on android since 2.3

So you really like files. Cool. Enjoy.

By the way, that was the only advantage you listed.

LIVEFRMNYC
Jul 19, 2012, 03:25 AM
I know it's been said a bunch of times: My reason for staying with an iPhone is simple: it seamlessly integrates with all of my other things. While I am certainly aware that there are options for Windows PC's to synchronize and such, it's considerably more "burdensome."

While Apple certainly has a price premium compared to its counterparts, I would say that I'm happy getting something "that just works."

Well, you have been in Steve Jobs' reality distortion field too long. Have fun with your "seamlessly integrating" igadgets which "just work". Ah and which have the brilliant, awesome, excellent, perfect "Retina Display".

There was no reason for that. Attacking everyone who gives an opinion of why they choose an iPhone in an iPhone thread just shows your own fanboyish insecurities.

jlwilsonjr
Jul 19, 2012, 02:42 PM
Gimme a link!

Here ya go!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WTAJTO/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=

pilot1226
Jul 19, 2012, 03:03 PM
There was no reason for that. Attacking everyone who gives an opinion of why they choose an iPhone in an iPhone thread just shows your own fanboyish insecurities.

Heh, thanks. I don't mind the criticism. I know first hand the hours I've spent both troubleshooting Apple and Windows based machines, and while they both have their strengths and weaknesses, I would say I've spent at least ten times the amount of time trying to get something working on a Windows machine. Macs tend to be more plug and play friendly, and this is something I've encountered first-hand. No fanboyism or emo rant on a message board is going to change my personal experience.

Dreamer2go
Jul 19, 2012, 10:43 PM
I too am thinking of switching over to Android, especially GIII.
I have been using the iPhone 3G, to 3GS, to 4 and now 4S for the past 4 years....

after seeing iOS6 and all these new iPhone 5 rumors, I am not impressed.
The GIII seems to be a huge improvement as a phone...

The only thing I'm afraid to let go is all my Whatsapp history.
There is no way to back it up and transfer the chat history over :(
That's the sad part.

roxxette
Jul 20, 2012, 04:48 AM
I too am thinking of switching over to Android, especially GIII.
I have been using the iPhone 3G, to 3GS, to 4 and now 4S for the past 4 years....

after seeing iOS6 and all these new iPhone 5 rumors, I am not impressed.
The GIII seems to be a huge improvement as a phone...

The only thing I'm afraid to let go is all my Whatsapp history.
There is no way to back it up and transfer the chat history over :(
That's the sad part.

I was digging last year with iphone files and im pretty sure the history logs of whatsapp are in clear txt, you can backup but not sure if theres a way to transfer to another phone.

tyson2011
Jul 20, 2012, 07:24 AM
Look at this picture:

Image (http://cdn.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/field/image/2012/07/ios_vs_ios_comparison_chart.jpg)




Sorry, bit off topic, but... How good was the os3 update.

I remember getting up real early (in Australia) just to sit in front of my computer to download the os and update my iPhone 3G. It took a good couple of hours back then.

Spotlight search, MMS, landscape mode, copy/paste.. At the time it was awsome. I remember being more excited about the update then any other.

Am I wrong??

Just looking at the old iphone3G now.. So slow.. Can't wait for the new one!!

The iGentleman
Jul 20, 2012, 07:57 AM
Sorry, bit off topic, but... How good was the os3 update.

I remember getting up real early (in Australia) just to sit in front of my computer to download the os and update my iPhone 3G. It took a good couple of hours back then.

Spotlight search, MMS, landscape mode, copy/paste.. At the time it was awsome. I remember being more excited about the update then any other.

Am I wrong??

Just looking at the old iphone3G now.. So slow.. Can't wait for the new one!!

I remember looking at that update and laughing so hard about the excitement people had about it. The functionality people were so happy about, I'd had in my phone 3 years prior to that. It was quit amusing at that time to see people so worked up over basic features.

Sensamic
Jul 20, 2012, 06:38 PM
I remember looking at that update and laughing so hard about the excitement people had about it. The functionality people were so happy about, I'd had in my phone 3 years prior to that. It was quit amusing at that time to see people so worked up over basic features.

And iPod Touch users had to pay for it. I remember I had to pay through iTunes to receive the update.

Compton
Jul 20, 2012, 07:25 PM
I would switch to SGS3 but I've just been too lazy to learn a new OS :o
I would also miss OmniFocus on Android.

bandofbrothers
Jul 21, 2012, 12:22 AM
And iPod Touch users had to pay for it. I remember I had to pay through iTunes to receive the update.

+1

I remember not being too impressed paying for a couple of updates with one being around £14 either for my 1st generation iPod touch , which I'm still using !

And then I can't update past the 3.1.3 firmware.

SamSmith
Jul 21, 2012, 04:26 AM
I personally disagree with you, as I like the simplicity of iOS. However, it is good to have access to the file system and 'true' multitasking. That's when we jailbreak.

mattopotamus
Jul 21, 2012, 06:03 AM
I personally disagree with you, as I like the simplicity of iOS. However, it is good to have access to the file system and 'true' multitasking. That's when we jailbreak.

That is the good thing about the nexus....has the simplicity of the iPhone but the customization of android. It really does do a great job at combining both worlds. I can see why apple would be so pissed about some of the software "stealing". I will most likely pick up an i5 too, but this year old phone is a boss!

maflynn
Jul 21, 2012, 06:09 AM
That is the good thing about the nexus....has the simplicity of the iPhone but the customization of android.

I owned the original Nexus and loved it, The current design of the Nexus doesn't really excite me, but for the price and the ability to customize it, I can see why people opt for it.

I too am waiting for the iPhone 5, but I am keeping an eye out for any new possible Nexus phones.

Latt SD
Jul 22, 2012, 12:42 AM
I too switched to the Galaxy S3 and was a little apprehensive about the larger screen with apple talking about their countless hours of research and determination that the iPhone screen size was ideal but found that the GS3 larger screen to be quite pleasant. It's much easier to read and surf the web on the screen. Those worried about the extra size in their jeans need not worry as it actually feels smaller with the rounded edges. I wear raw denim and the sharp edges of my old brick shaped iPhone leave and outline of a rectangle on my front pocket... and with a case on the iPhone would feel even more like a brick. That was one of the big reasons I switched also, the iPhone shape is just ugly and uncomfortable to hold. My new GS3 feels and looks just like a small iPad 3 but with a few added features. Like others I am very disappointed with the leaked new iPhone parts and felt it was not worth waiting for since with apple's recent "updates" like iPhone 4 to 4S and iPad 2 to new iPad... Im not expecting much change, just 1 thing different and that looks to be the taller screen. Its not that I dislike apple, I still have their computers and iPad and love them...but apple updates as of lately have left me wanting more.

freudling
Jul 22, 2012, 02:58 AM
Let's use the facts.

The Galaxy S III is only: 1/2" wider & a bit over 3/4" taller. See below

Galaxy S III - 4.8" display
137.6 x 71.6 x 8.6 mm

iPhone 4S - 3.5" display
115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3 mm

137.6 = Height
115.2
22.4mm = 0.88" taller

71.6 = Width
58.6
13.0mm = 0.51" wider

This _proves_ that you can have a gorgeous & very spacious 4.8" display... in a phone only marginally larger than a tiny iPhone.

I find my Galaxy S III just as easy to carry & use as my iPhone 4S.

1/2" wider 3/4" taller? That's a HUGE jump from the iPhone. This is not minor. Can you one handed hold and use it? I doubt it, because I had the Nokia Lumia 900 and that was close to the same size as this beast and I couldn't reliably use it with just one hand.

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I too switched to the Galaxy S3 and was a little apprehensive about the larger screen with apple talking about their countless hours of research and determination that the iPhone screen size was ideal but found that the GS3 larger screen to be quite pleasant. It's much easier to read and surf the web on the screen. Those worried about the extra size in their jeans need not worry as it actually feels smaller with the rounded edges. I wear raw denim and the sharp edges of my old brick shaped iPhone leave and outline of a rectangle on my front pocket... and with a case on the iPhone would feel even more like a brick. That was one of the big reasons I switched also, the iPhone shape is just ugly and uncomfortable to hold. My new GS3 feels and looks just like a small iPad 3 but with a few added features. Like others I am very disappointed with the leaked new iPhone parts and felt it was not worth waiting for since with apple's recent "updates" like iPhone 4 to 4S and iPad 2 to new iPad... Im not expecting much change, just 1 thing different and that looks to be the taller screen. Its not that I dislike apple, I still have their computers and iPad and love them...but apple updates as of lately have left me wanting more.

You realize that nobody usually ever knows what Apple is going to release? That the countless rumours end up being absurd and some of it planted by Apple as disinformation?

In other words, nobody knows what the iPhone 5 will be.

revelated
Jul 22, 2012, 10:26 AM
Hi there folks,

I have been an iPhone user since iPhone 3G and owned every iPhone iteration ever since.

In the meantime I would always check out competing android phones before each upgrade to see if they caught up to iPhone. The deal breaker for me then was that android phones didn't have as fluid UI as iphone.

After seeing the leaked images of iPhone 5 parts, i decided to finally jump ship. Making a phone just taller doesn't cut it for me. I use my phone in portrait mode 95 percent of the time and not increasing the width is a deal breaker.

I have finally bought an international version of Samsung Galaxy S3 with Quad-Core CPU.

What I liked about S3:

1. Amazing 4.8 inch screen. Before I bought S3, I always had to carry my iPad just in case if I needed to surf the net on the go because surfing on 3.5 screen is very uncomfortable. Now since I have S3, I haven't touched my iPad for weeks. While 4.8 screen can't replace an iPad, it's usable enough to not have to carry iPad wherever I go.

2. I can finally access files on my device(it has a file manager).

3. Can transfer files over bluetooth.

4. Don't have to use iTunes, I can just drag and drop mp3 files onto the device as I would do with a thump drive.

5. It has "true" multi-tasking.

6. Android doesn't lag in UI as it used to in 2.2 and 2.3. Overall the UI is as fluid as iPhone's

What I miss on S3:

1. iOS copy and paste is arguable slightly more usable, but maybe I am just not used to Android's implementation yet.

2. Slightly better selection of games in the App Store.


Overall I was very tired of the same old iOS. After seeing iOS 6 announcement, I finally realized how far ahead Android is.

At this rate of people jumping ship, I would be very worried if I were Apple.

I am not bashing Apple, I love their products, but I really couldn't wait another 1-2 years until they add features that have been available on android since 2.3


Are you that guy from the Samsung Superbowl commercial? The Asian guy getting into the cab?


Jokes aside, welcome to Android. If you're happy with Ice Cream Sandwich, you'll be even more impressed when it gets Jelly Bean.

ON the flip side though, be aware that you will not get OS updates as frequently as you're used to. That may not be as big a deal as it was in the past, since the evolution of Android has been significant. But it is rather trying when phones are just now upgrading to Ice Cream Sandwich after Jelly Bean gets released.


To each his own I suppose. My iPhone looks almost identical to my fiance's, which looks almost identical to my friend's. Some people don't like this. Some days I don't care, others I am on the fence. If UI customization is an important factor in feeling like "your phone is your phone", anything running iOS is not the phone to choose.

Not just phones. iOS in general is just too "same". I literally cannot stand this.

I have the 4th gen iPod Touch. Don't use it because it doesn't work with Amazon MP3. Also the audio fidelity of the Touch is extremely poor compared to every other device I've used, and even the Zune HD blows the Touch away in terms of true audio quality.

I had one of the first gen iPads so I could give it a fair shot. It really was a "big old iPod Touch" in every sense of the word. The whole experience was identical to what the Touch brought, just in a bigger form factor. Returned that.

When iPhone came to Verizon I bought one to give it a fair shot. Again, identical to the iPod Touch except that it made and received phone calls. Returned that.

I have a RAZR MAXX and I'm the only one in my company who owns one. I like that. For others who have other types of Android phones their home screens/lock screens/etc look absolutely nothing like mine, and I love that.


Tons of people at work have iPhones and they seem to like them, but they're all the same. Same lock screen, same look and feel, sometimes the same apps. It's annoying...a bit scary too. Like Borg. Or Camazotz (plus points to whoever gets that reference). I'm constantly hearing people wishing they could have certain widgets, or cool features such as Google Now. I think people are just intimidated to put in the effort.

revelated
Jul 22, 2012, 11:41 AM
merged

Vegastouch
Jul 22, 2012, 01:24 PM
1/2" wider 3/4" taller? That's a HUGE jump from the iPhone. This is not minor. Can you one handed hold and use it? I doubt it, because I had the Nokia Lumia 900 and that was close to the same size as this beast and I couldn't reliably use it with just one hand.

You must have small hands. I can use mine one handed and i dont have big hands. Id say they are average to maybe a bit below average even and though it isnt as easy to use one handed as my 4" screen Vibrant, ....i still can. Anyone with big hands shouldnt have an issue at all using it with one hand.

freudling
Jul 22, 2012, 04:02 PM
You must have small hands. I can use mine one handed and i dont have big hands. Id say they are average to maybe a bit below average even and though it isnt as easy to use one handed as my 4" screen Vibrant, ....i still can. Anyone with big hands shouldnt have an issue at all using it with one hand.

I'm over 6 feet. I find it hard to believe you can use it with one hand reliably.

TheMacBookPro
Jul 22, 2012, 04:13 PM
I'm over 6 feet. I find it hard to believe you can use it with one hand reliably.

I find it hard to believe that you can't... my hands are smaller than average yet I can use my HTC One X (which is only 1mm smaller, width wise, than the S III) comfortably.

freudling
Jul 22, 2012, 04:24 PM
I find it hard to believe that you can't... my hands are smaller than average yet I can use my HTC One X (which is only 1mm smaller, width wise, than the S III) comfortably.

Do you want me to post video of us trying to use the S III with 1 hand or should I save us all the trouble of showing why you're wrong? I haven't used the HTC One X so I can't comment on that though.

You can use the S III with 1 hand but not reliably. You have to slightly shuffle your hand to reach around the screen and it's easier to fumble and drop the device, specially if you're in a busy area and holding something else in your other hand. The device's footprint is also much bigger than the iPhone's making it less portable. However, I do like the larger screen here for certain things. It's an interesting device I will say that.

Vegastouch
Jul 22, 2012, 05:49 PM
Do you want me to post video of us trying to use the S III with 1 hand or should I save us all the trouble of showing why you're wrong? I haven't used the HTC One X so I can't comment on that though.

You can use the S III with 1 hand but not reliably. You have to slightly shuffle your hand to reach around the screen and it's easier to fumble and drop the device, specially if you're in a busy area and holding something else in your other hand. The device's footprint is also much bigger than the iPhone's making it less portable. However, I do like the larger screen here for certain things. It's an interesting device I will say that.

Discribe reliably in your words. I can text with it one hand no problem but i use both hands often even with my Vibrant. It is a bit of a stretch with my thumb to pull down the window but it isnt a big deal. Maybe its just the way i hold it that i dont feel im going to drop it if thats what you mean. I have my pinky finger under the bottom and just reach up with my thumb. It isnt hard at all.

Im not sure what your talking about but i can use it one handed reliably for me and i am under 6' .

Mac.World
Jul 22, 2012, 06:06 PM
I'm over 6 feet. I find it hard to believe you can use it with one hand reliably.

I'm over 6 foot tall as well and use my S3 with one hand all the time. Granted that upper left corner is a stretch, so I understand your point of view. Sometimes I shuffle my hand to get up to that corner and other times I use 2 hands. Primarily though, I use one hand.

Still I know where you are coming from. I find the iphone to be really small, but never realized it until I started using the S3.

tremlock
Jul 22, 2012, 07:38 PM
I made the same switch this week. What a surprise when I found out I could talk and use data at the same time on Sprint. I forgot how much I missed that.

TheMacBookPro
Jul 22, 2012, 10:25 PM
Do you want me to post video of us trying to use the S III with 1 hand or should I save us all the trouble of showing why you're wrong?

Please do. I'm curious as to see whether you have undersized hands for your height or I have oversized hands for mine.

freudling
Jul 22, 2012, 11:00 PM
Please do. I'm curious as to see whether you have undersized hands for your height or I have oversized hands for mine.

I can't reliably touch the top band of pixels on the device without readjusting my hand.

TheMacBookPro
Jul 22, 2012, 11:31 PM
I can't reliably touch the top band of pixels on the device without readjusting my hand.

I can pull down the notification panel with my thumb then tap the home button, all in one go. [This is with my One X, shrouded in a relatively bulky case which adds much more than 1mm to the width (meaning it should actually be larger than a naked S III).]

freudling
Jul 22, 2012, 11:49 PM
I can pull down the notification panel with my thumb then tap the home button, all in one go. [This is with my One X, shrouded in a relatively bulky case which adds much more than 1mm to the width (meaning it should actually be larger than a naked S III).]

Show us a video of you doing this on a Galaxy S III WITHOUT adjusting your hand in anyway.

TheMacBookPro
Jul 23, 2012, 12:00 AM
Show us a video of you doing this on a Galaxy S III WITHOUT adjusting your hand in anyway.

I've never said that I would post a video, but you have. Why don't you post the video you promised first?

freudling
Jul 23, 2012, 12:11 AM
I've never said that I would post a video, but you have. Why don't you post the video you promised first?

I'm asking you to post video instead of hand waving with zero support for your claims.

TheMacBookPro
Jul 23, 2012, 12:15 AM
I'm asking you to post video instead of hand waving with zero support for your claims.

And I'm asking you to go through with your promise first, before taking on a challenge you've set out for me. What's the issue with that?

freudling
Jul 23, 2012, 12:28 AM
And I'm asking you to go through with your promise first, before taking on a challenge you've set out for me. What's the issue with that?

I post videos, and provide all support. You just wave your arms with no backing. I will post the video, yes. You post yours too. Of you using the SIII with just one hand/thumb reaching to the very top WITHOUT adjusting your hand.

TheMacBookPro
Jul 23, 2012, 12:30 AM
I post videos, and provide all support. You just wave your arms with no backing. I will post the video, yes. You post yours too. Of you using the SIII with just one hand/thumb reaching to the very top WITHOUT adjusting your hand.

Sure, right after you do.

It's not a matter of me not wanting to provide proof, it's a matter of who claimed they would post a video first, and in this case it's you.

Using your logic, at this point, we're both just waving our arms with no backing.

The iGentleman
Jul 23, 2012, 05:34 AM
I'm asking you to post video instead of hand waving with zero support for your claims.

Allow me.... http://youtu.be/AHQA8O2dwss

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Discribe reliably in your words. I can text with it one hand no problem but i use both hands often even with my Vibrant. It is a bit of a stretch with my thumb to pull down the window but it isnt a big deal. Maybe its just the way i hold it that i dont feel im going to drop it if thats what you mean. I have my pinky finger under the bottom and just reach up with my thumb. It isnt hard at all.

Im not sure what your talking about but i can use it one handed reliably for me and i am under 6' .

I hold it the same way you described, and as you can see in the video, I have no problems at all reaching the top. My guess is he either is lying or has extremely small hands.

The iGentleman
Jul 23, 2012, 11:01 PM
Sure, right after you do.

It's not a matter of me not wanting to provide proof, it's a matter of who claimed they would post a video first, and in this case it's you.

Using your logic, at this point, we're both just waving our arms with no backing.

He's obviously speaking about something of which he has no first hand knowledge of. He's purely speculating...unfortunately his speculation only backs his agenda.

TheMacBookPro
Jul 24, 2012, 02:50 AM
Allow me.... http://youtu.be/AHQA8O2dwss

Thank you for saving me a 20 minute drive to Best Buy :)

He's obviously speaking about something of which he has no first hand knowledge of. He's purely speculating...unfortunately his speculation only backs his agenda.

His posts are pure speculation... with a sprinkling of insults. Big surprise he's in time-out now :p

Lyn2012
Jul 24, 2012, 05:12 AM
I'm thinking of replacing my 4S with GS 3 and played with a GS 3 in 3 Store yesterday. Apart from being slightly too large for easy one hand use, my major dislike is the screen display. I really dislike white text on black background but nobody was able to tell me if it's possible to change to black text throughout, (not just browser), like iOS. Colour inversion under Accessibility leaves you with strange looking photos which isn't good. I didn't even get as far as looking at compatibility with iCal, Address Book etc. Does anyone here know the answer to get black text on white background? I'm aware of the possible decrease in battery life but I would still prefer black text.

bembol
Jul 24, 2012, 07:00 AM
Not even two months owning the Note, I sold it because I love the Pebble Blue so much.

Dreamer2go
Jul 24, 2012, 09:40 PM
I finally made the switch as well to the Galaxy S3 from 4S
Really like the phone so far, except for cut/copy/paste and the keyboard. iPhone's keyboard is a lot easier to use...

other than that, I love the customization.
With iPhone, it was such a hassle to jailbreak and download winter board etc... it made me feel like the phone will lag with all these jailbreak apps.

both phones got strengths and weaknesses, so now when my friends asks me, I can be more neutral about the OS and the phone itself....

jojoba
Jul 25, 2012, 04:59 AM
I find the stock ICS and JB keyboards to have better word pridiction than the iPhone too.

This, coupled with screen size, are the two main factors that's keeping me with android. I'm currently torn between getting a GS3 now or hanging on until the iPhone update later this year to see what that is like and then decide. I would love to have my phone integrated with my Air and iPad, but if the screen is just taller and the predictive text is still crap, I'm not switching to iPhone.

kevinof
Jul 25, 2012, 06:10 AM
Do yourself a favour and install swiftkey from the market.


I finally made the switch as well to the Galaxy S3 from 4S
Really like the phone so far, except for cut/copy/paste and the keyboard. iPhone's keyboard is a lot easier to use...
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daveathall
Jul 25, 2012, 06:24 AM
Do yourself a favour and install swiftkey from the market.

Fully agree.

jojoba
Jul 25, 2012, 07:11 AM
Fully agree.

I third that. Excellent app, and saves me about 80% of my typing compared to my iPad.

Dreamer2go
Jul 26, 2012, 06:06 AM
Do yourself a favour and install swiftkey from the market.

sure, when it has emoji + traditional chinese keyboard support!

Vegastouch
Jul 26, 2012, 06:44 AM
sure, when it has emoji + traditional chinese keyboard support!

I use SwiftKey with Handcent Sms and it supports emoji.

freudling
Jul 26, 2012, 05:22 PM
Allow me.... http://youtu.be/AHQA8O2dwss

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I hold it the same way you described, and as you can see in the video, I have no problems at all reaching the top. My guess is he either is lying or has extremely small hands.

Awkward: proves my point. Streeeeeetcccch.

batting1000
Jul 26, 2012, 05:26 PM
Allow me.... http://youtu.be/AHQA8O2dwss[COLOR="#808080"]

How about going to all the corners and not having your pinky at the bottom so the phone doesn't fall out of your hand from stretching your finger too high.

jlwilsonjr
Jul 26, 2012, 05:43 PM
I use & enjoy both an iPhone 4S and a new Galaxy S III.

I've been using Android along with iOS for a few years now. I keep up with iOS because I'm a longtime Mac user. Yet I must admit when it comes to smartphones this new Galaxy S III has really made a giant leap forward in both hardware & the Andoid OS.

What many non-Android users are unaware of is that Android smartphones are stand alone computers that don't require being backed up to another computer like iPhones do. Nor are they dependent on another device to be setup or activated like iOS has been.

Android being a fully functional computer with a file system is a stand alone device that interfaces beautifully with each of my Macs. Being a completely independent device is a huge advantage for Android. And believe me I'm a die hard MacBook Pro user that has been using Apple computers since 1991.

I'd never bash an iPhone OR an Android. They each have their merits.

As far as saying "while I already have so much invested in iOS apps". Yes that's true and I know how you feel. But that's like saying I've already invested so much, I'm going to let that hold me back from progressing to an even greater experience.

Believe me, once you get a new Galaxy S III you are so happy you quickly forget what you've spent in the past.

Finally, I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy an Android, that's a personal decision. I'm not an "us vs them" type of enthusiast. I like all forms of devices & platforms.

What I am interested in is setting the record straight by sharing my knowledge in a neutral fashion so people have good information with which to make their own decision.
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You nailed it. I love my apple products but for me and for what I need a phone to do I love my S3 running ICS and only see it getting further ahead.

The iGentleman
Jul 26, 2012, 10:19 PM
Awkward: proves my point. Streeeeeetcccch.

You're seeing what you wanted to see. I reached the top of the screen with ease. It wasn't a stretch by any means. Do better. You were proven wrong and now you're REACHING lol. :rolleyes:

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How about going to all the corners and not having your pinky at the bottom so the phone doesn't fall out of your hand from stretching your finger too high.

I can hold my phone however I want to. I've been holding ALL my smartphones the same way since before you probably even held a smartphone. Come with something better than telling someone to hold the phone in a different manner. :rolleyes:

Mac.World
Jul 26, 2012, 10:56 PM
How about going to all the corners and not having your pinky at the bottom so the phone doesn't fall out of your hand from stretching your finger too high.

I've only seen iPhone apologists try and slam other phones for being bigger. Somehow you equate bigger, better screens to be bad, because they don't fit within your Apple paradigm.

Some of us don't have little girl hands and have no issue with the S3 being used with one hand. I have no complaints and quite frankly neither do millions of others.

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I can hold my phone however I want to. I've been holding ALL my smartphones the same way since before you probably even held a smartphone. Come with something better than telling someone to hold the phone in a different manner. :rolleyes:

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I can hold my phone however I want to. I've been holding ALL my smartphones the same way since before you probably even held a smartphone. Come with something better than telling someone to hold the phone in a different manner. :rolleyes:
Dude, you were holding your phone wrong. Steve once tried an Android phone one handed. It was too big though and it gave his hands cramps. This is why no iphone was allowed to be bigger than 3.5"

http://blog.wirelessground.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/steve-jobs-heart-attack1.jpg

The iGentleman
Jul 26, 2012, 11:13 PM
Dude, you were holding your phone wrong. Steve once tried an Android phone one handed. It was too big though and it gave his hands cramps. This is why no iphone was allowed to be bigger than 3.5"

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lmao. How silly of me to have forgotten, iPhones have a certain way they must be held lol. Thanks for reminding me. Batting1000 saw that video, and he's like "wait a minute...that guy isn't holding his phone correctly....he's holding it all wrong lol" :D

dmelgar
Jul 26, 2012, 11:30 PM
I'm going the other way. I've been using Android for years. Had a HTC G1, then HTC Incredible, then HTC Thunderbolt.

Android manufacturers and carriers have the appliance take it or leave it attitude. Once you bought it, you're stuck with it. No updates, no fixes.

My Incredible has tons of flash memory on it, I can't remember, 8 or 16GB, yet I couldn't install apps because of some lame 300MB partition filled up. The fix? There is no fix. Buy a new phone.

Bought a Thunderbolt. The thing regularly reboots even without touching it. It regularly loses data connectivity. Only way to fix that is to reboot which takes 5 minutes. I've always had to buy an extended battery to get a days use out of any of these phones. My Thunderbolt weights a ton and looks like it has a tumor.

HTC promised to provide an OS upgrade to ICS, but last weekend, 8 months after the OS came out, they now claim the user experience would suffer and won't release the new OS at all. This was for a similar phone to the Thunderbolt. No official word on that yet.

The "play" store is like the Wild West. Apps have horrendous intrusive ads like WeatherBug playing video ads you can't stop. It doesn't do that in their iPad app. More and more apps are asking for more and more permissions so that everything sounds like a privacy risk. Anyone minding the store? I don't think so.

Have an issue with the phone? Who's responsible, Verizon? HTC? Google? No one cares. They have your money, buy a new phone.

The Samsung Galaxy S3 looks the same. A giant boat of a phone. Years ago people laughed at the idea of a Dell 5" phone. But now the 4.8" S3 somehow seems reasonable. Like holding an iPad to your ear. Screen looks great!

Samsung is known for cheap plastic. The UI has always been a blatant copy of iOS UI. I much prefer stock Android, or even HTCs Sense. Using an S3 the other day, it looks nice but seems gimmicky. The S voice is just meant as a cheap imitation of Siri. Voice sounded bad. Home screen animations look cheesy. What sort of fancy useless animation can we create.

It's the typical case of folks trying to copy Apple without understanding what they're copying.

I didn't like the software, but I will admit the hardware is impressive. The screen is beautiful, the phone is barely larger than the screen. The reported battery life is very impressive especially for an Android phone known for runaway processes. It is light weight and thin. But really folks, it's supposed to be a phone, not a tablet. It's still too big.

Mac.World
Jul 27, 2012, 12:01 AM
I'm going the other way. I've been using Android for years. Had a HTC G1, then HTC Incredible, then HTC Thunderbolt.

Android manufacturers and carriers have the appliance take it or leave it attitude. Once you bought it, you're stuck with it. No updates, no fixes.

My Incredible has tons of flash memory on it, I can't remember, 8 or 16GB, yet I couldn't install apps because of some lame 300MB partition filled up. The fix? There is no fix. Buy a new phone.

Bought a Thunderbolt. The thing regularly reboots even without touching it. It regularly loses data connectivity. Only way to fix that is to reboot which takes 5 minutes. I've always had to buy an extended battery to get a days use out of any of these phones. My Thunderbolt weights a ton and looks like it has a tumor.

HTC promised to provide an OS upgrade to ICS, but last weekend, 8 months after the OS came out, they now claim the user experience would suffer and won't release the new OS at all. This was for a similar phone to the Thunderbolt. No official word on that yet.
I see a theme here. How about NOT buying HTC! Think you would have learned that lesson a bit quicker?

The "play" store is like the Wild West. Apps have horrendous intrusive ads like WeatherBug playing video ads you can't stop. It doesn't do that in their iPad app. More and more apps are asking for more and more permissions so that everything sounds like a privacy risk. Anyone minding the store? I don't think so.,
I think you are confusing ad based 'free' apps with ad free 'paid' apps. I don't have a problem with ads because I actually buy all of my apps, including WeatherBug Elite. You do need to pay attention to permissions though, because that allows you to control what goes on your phone. Can't do that with the iphone, and when malware gets into the app store, well you saw what happened. To bad iphone users can't see what permissions their apps ask for.


Samsung is known for cheap plastic. The UI has always been a blatant copy of iOS UI. I much prefer stock Android, or even HTCs Sense. Using an S3 the other day, it looks nice but seems gimmicky. The S voice is just meant as a cheap imitation of Siri. Voice sounded bad. Home screen animations look cheesy. What sort of fancy useless animation can we create.
Android UI a blatant copy of iOS? I wonder where Apple got the idea for a grid of icons on a touch screen? This looks kind of familiar and it is from 2003!
http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/cellphone_design/dkmb86g_480fbz9f9hb_b.jpg
And of course Blackberry
http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/cellphone_design/dkmb86g_407dmfxq6gk_b.jpg



It's the typical case of folks trying to copy Apple without understanding what they're copying.
Turn your iphone on. Look at your notification center. Like it? Find it useful? Have you done an ota os update yet. Every used the split keyboard? How about a wireless sync of your phone? All these things Apple copied from Android. Just say thank you.


I didn't like the software, but I will admit the hardware is impressive. The screen is beautiful, the phone is barely larger than the screen. The reported battery life is very impressive especially for an Android phone known for runaway processes. It is light weight and thin. But really folks, it's supposed to be a phone, not a tablet. It's still too big.
So this is your main complaint? The S3 is too big? :confused:

freudling
Jul 27, 2012, 12:13 AM
You're seeing what you wanted to see. I reached the top of the screen with ease. It wasn't a stretch by any means. Do better. You were proven wrong and now you're REACHING lol. :rolleyes:

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I can hold my phone however I want to. I've been holding ALL my smartphones the same way since before you probably even held a smartphone. Come with something better than telling someone to hold the phone in a different manner. :rolleyes:

Stretchy stretchy... as he drops his phone on the pavement.

The iGentleman
Jul 27, 2012, 12:22 AM
Stretchy stretchy... as he drops his phone on the pavement.

Not sure what video you watched, but there was no stretching. I effortlessly pulled down the notification panel. I did it quickly and with no trouble at all. I actually can easily touch the Samsung logo above the screen. If I "stretch" I can touch the top of the phone. Pulling down the notification panel isn't hard to do one-handed, and there's no stretching involved. Find something else to try to harp on, because you're barking up the wrong tree with this one.

nooaah
Jul 27, 2012, 12:35 AM
Not sure what video you watched, but there was no stretching. I effortlessly pulled down the notification panel. I did it quickly and with no trouble at all. I actually can easily touch the Samsung logo above the screen. If I "stretch" I can touch the top of the phone. Pulling down the notification panel isn't hard to do one-handed, and there's no stretching involved. Find something else to try to harp on, because you're barking up the wrong tree with this one.
It's a pain in the ass to reach all corners with my S3, and my hands definitely aren't small.

The iGentleman
Jul 27, 2012, 12:47 AM
I'm going the other way. I've been using Android for years. Had a HTC G1, then HTC Incredible, then HTC Thunderbolt.

Android manufacturers and carriers have the appliance take it or leave it attitude. Once you bought it, you're stuck with it. No updates, no fixes.

My Incredible has tons of flash memory on it, I can't remember, 8 or 16GB, yet I couldn't install apps because of some lame 300MB partition filled up. The fix? There is no fix. Buy a new phone.
That is an old phone. Heck it's essentially a Sense version of the Nexus One. I wouldn't judge today's phone by anything that dated. Things have come a VERY long way since then. The 3GS was the iPhone out when the Nexus One was released, and I wouldn't judge the current or next iPhone based on my horrible 3GS experience (I hated that phone).



Bought a Thunderbolt. The thing regularly reboots even without touching it. It regularly loses data connectivity. Only way to fix that is to reboot which takes 5 minutes. I've always had to buy an extended battery to get a days use out of any of these phones. My Thunderbolt weights a ton and looks like it has a tumor.
I'm not trying to be facetious, but you got hustled. The Thunderbolt was nothing but the Evo with LTE instead of WiMax. The Evo was already a year old when the Thunderbolt was released. It was an old phone when you bought it. It was out of date when it was released. I'm sorry but that phone should have been a free phone, but since it was their first LTE phone, so many people got hustled into buying it.



HTC promised to provide an OS upgrade to ICS, but last weekend, 8 months after the OS came out, they now claim the user experience would suffer and won't release the new OS at all. This was for a similar phone to the Thunderbolt. No official word on that yet.
I don't see it getting ICS because of the hardware it has. Like I said, it's the same phone as the Evo, so it has the exact same limitations. Verizon had no business selling that phone, as it was already old when they released it.


The "play" store is like the Wild West. Apps have horrendous intrusive ads like WeatherBug playing video ads you can't stop.
Vote by uninstalling it and leaving a poor rating for the app. Use apps that don't have intrusive ads. Nobody is forcing you to use apps that have intrusive ads. None of the apps on my phone have any intrusive ads.

More and more apps are asking for more and more permissions so that everything sounds like a privacy risk. Anyone minding the store? I don't think so.
The difference between that and iOS is, in iOS you could be granting similar permissions but there's nothing notifying you of it. Similar to how they found out iOS developers were getting phone numbers from people's contacts. Just because you don't see the permissions being granted in iOS doesn't mean they don't have access.


Have an issue with the phone? Who's responsible, Verizon? HTC? Google? No one cares. They have your money, buy a new phone. Typically, if it's a carrier phone, they have no problem exchanging it under your warranty. Often times, they will swap you a totally different phone if you continue having problems with the same model phone.


The Samsung Galaxy S3 looks the same. A giant boat of a phone. Years ago people laughed at the idea of a Dell 5" phone. But now the 4.8" S3 somehow seems reasonable. Like holding an iPad to your ear. Screen looks great!
There's nothing even similar to what you mentioned above in the GS3. It's a totally different animal all together. As for Dell...the Dell streak was a horrible phone. It was huge, it was ugly, and the software sucks. On the other hand, the GS3 isn't huge despite the large screen, it's very attractive, and the software is pretty good.


Samsung is known for cheap plastic.
The GS3 is made of polycarbonate, there's nothing cheap about that. Polycarbonate has hardness ranking up there with kevlar. I'd take polycarbonate over glass any day of the week.


The UI has always been a blatant copy of iOS UI. I much prefer stock Android, or even HTCs Sense.
I will say the original Galaxy S' UI seemed to be a copy of iOS, but I can't say the GS3 is. They don't look alike and don't behave alike. That said, I too prefer vanilla Android.


Using an S3 the other day, it looks nice but seems gimmicky. The S voice is just meant as a cheap imitation of Siri. Voice sounded bad. I hated S Voice initially as it was quite slow and performed horribly. Since I've had the phone, S Voice has improved dramatically, to the point I don't mind using it. I don't know if Samsung made some network changes on their end or what, but it's actually not bad now. As for the voice, I don't find the voice sounds any worse than Siri's voice. They both sound quite robotic. The difference is, you can install a more natural sounding voice if you so choose, whereas on Siri you're stuck with it. For the record, Google Now has the best sounding voice hands down. It almost sounds real, it's that good.


Home screen animations look cheesy. What sort of fancy useless animation can we create.
I was with you for a while, but now you're reaching.


It's the typical case of folks trying to copy Apple without understanding what they're copying.
I don't see where something was copied, except perhaps S Voice.


I didn't like the software, but I will admit the hardware is impressive. The screen is beautiful, the phone is barely larger than the screen. The reported battery life is very impressive especially for an Android phone known for runaway processes. It is light weight and thin. But really folks, it's supposed to be a phone, not a tablet. It's still too big.
Perhaps if you have baby hands it's too big. My girl has no problem handling the phone with one hand, and she's a small lady. So either you're overstating the size thing or you must have some really minuscule hands. :eek:

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It's a pain in the ass to reach all corners with my S3, and my hands definitely aren't small.
I was talking to that fraudling guy, who for some reason seems to think it's difficult to reach the notification panel.
BTW, for the record, I can reach all four corners. The very TIP of the far left corner is as effortless, but then again there's no reason to tap the VERY Tip of the far left corner lol. Note: I can reach the far left corner with no problem (notice I said the very tip).

batting1000
Jul 27, 2012, 09:44 AM
I've only seen iPhone apologists try and slam other phones for being bigger. Somehow you equate bigger, better screens to be bad, because they don't fit within your Apple paradigm.

Some of us don't have little girl hands and have no issue with the S3 being used with one hand. I have no complaints and quite frankly neither do millions of others.

Nope. You just can't accept the fact that not everyone wants to be holding something that large in their hands / not everyone has the same hand size as you. Mock us because we can't control the size of our hands. You're being irrational.

daveathall
Jul 27, 2012, 09:52 AM
I posted this in the wrong thread before, so deleted it and reposted it here, sorry if you have read it before.

I'm a convert, Ive now had my SGS3 for nearly a month, I changed from a 4S, I found the transition fairly easy which is a good thing for me me because I am not technically gifted, I do not jail break or Flash either of the phones, I prefer them as they are and am not confident in my own abilities to mess with the internal workings of either phone.

I found the UI to be quite intuitive which was a surprise, I have read the stories of woe when others have tried the transition from iOS to Android, I have to say that out of the operating systems, iOS is the easiest out of the two to understand and use straight from the box, having said that, it only took me about half day to understand and be confident in my actions with ICS.

Build quality has come in for some negative comments, in my experience it is a non issue, true, the back cover does flex once removed but I tend to spend most of the time with the cover fitted, and then it feels solid, in fact the only time it was removed was to insert my sim card. It feels and looks like a premium product. TBH, the phone, IMHO feels as well constructed as my iPhone 4S, just made of different materials. Those that think different IMHO haven't really lived with the phone for any length of time, they have probably felt a display model without the battery for a couple of minutes at most.

The size and quality of the screen is superb, I cannot imagine going back to the very much smaller screen of the 4S. The thin dimensions and curvature of the phone make it seem smaller in the hand than the dimensions would suggest, I can use it one handed for texting etc but prefer to use two, the same way I used my iP4S. Certainly on this quad core international version there is no lag apps start instantaneously, and scrolling through pages of apps is silky smooth.

The only app that doesn't work as well for my use is 1Password3 which I could synchronise with my MBP, iPad and 4S quite easily, there is the app in the play store but it doesn't work the same, I installed aWallet that works similar. Kindle, Tapatalk and the Sonos app work flawlessly.

Battery I have not tested but have not found any problems using the phone during 8 hours at work.

E mail texting and using the phone to talk to people is the same as my iPhone 4S, the clarity of calls for both devises has been the same, bluetooth connections with my car has been the same.

I dont watch much video or play games but a quick look out of curiosity has assured me that if I were that way inclined the size and quality of the screen would be enhanced over that of my 4S.

Notifications TBH are a much as a muchness, I can take or leave either iOS or Android solutions.

I find that photography to be better on my 4S than on the SGS3. I use Adobe Lightroom 4 and find that it was very easy to import photos from my iPhone straight into LR4 that is installed on my MBP, Kies installed on my MBP, IMHO, doesn't work as well for me, although I can use photo editing apps and upload to photobucket using their dedicated app, I prefer the LR4 and MBP solution that I previously mentioned. I am sure that with some more experience that I will become proficient.

When I changed I had some reservations, I thought it was going to be very difficult to master Android after iOS, it wasn't, I thought that pride of ownership would be diminished, it hasn't been in any way, I thought that after two or three weeks that I would sell my SGS3 and return back to my iP4S, I haven't.

I am not saying that either phone is better, I have my opinion, and that is that I prefer the SGS3 at this moment in time, others will have very different opinions, and they are quite entitled to it. I do own and have used both phones so can compare them like for like and am not illustrating something that I have seen or felt in a showroom for a couple of minutes.

If the new iPhone is better than this S3 I will probably move back, I still have an upgrade, if its not I will wait for a newer Android version, as far as I can tell the Google nexus phone is not sold in the UK which is a shame.

Mac.World
Jul 27, 2012, 10:32 AM
Nope. You just can't accept the fact that not everyone wants to be holding something that large in their hands.
Every woman has said the same thing to me.

batting1000
Jul 27, 2012, 10:33 AM
Every woman has said the same thing to me.

Very funny...

freudling
Jul 27, 2012, 10:57 AM
Not sure what video you watched, but there was no stretching. I effortlessly pulled down the notification panel. I did it quickly and with no trouble at all. I actually can easily touch the Samsung logo above the screen. If I "stretch" I can touch the top of the phone. Pulling down the notification panel isn't hard to do one-handed, and there's no stretching involved. Find something else to try to harp on, because you're barking up the wrong tree with this one.

Stretchy stretchy.

AustinIllini
Jul 27, 2012, 01:19 PM
I used to be all android, ever since the days of the original G1. Never really liked the apple business model but I still appreciated their creativity and product. Now I own an iPhone 4 which is a wonderful device as well as an HTC One X.

At the end of the day though, both operating systems are equally as good. If you haven't delved into android lately it's miles apart from the days of eclair and froyo. Thing is, all the gripes I hear from iphone users don't even exist on today's android platform. Yea you have bugs but I also have the same issues with my iphone.

The days of "it just works" are gone and I wish people would stop using that as an excuse as if android is incapable of performing just as smooth. Trust me android works just as well.

I was shocked how far ahead ICS is. My understanding of Android prior was just a less stable iOS. It is now FAR more than that.

Zaft
Jul 27, 2012, 01:43 PM
i have played around with my freinds GS3, i dont see any form of copying in the Ui besides S voice.

But for me its just too big, IMO 4" - 4.3" is the sweet spot for a phone.

dmelgar
Jul 27, 2012, 01:46 PM
That is an old phone. Heck it's essentially a Sense version of the Nexus One. I wouldn't judge today's phone by anything that dated. Things have come a VERY long way since then. The 3GS was the iPhone out when the Nexus One was released, and I wouldn't judge the current or next iPhone based on my horrible 3GS experience (I hated that phone).



I'm not trying to be facetious, but you got hustled. The Thunderbolt was nothing but the Evo with LTE instead of WiMax. The Evo was already a year old when the Thunderbolt was released. It was an old phone when you bought it. It was out of date when it was released. I'm sorry but that phone should have been a free phone, but since it was their first LTE phone, so many people got hustled into buying it.



I don't see it getting ICS because of the hardware it has. Like I said, it's the same phone as the Evo, so it has the exact same limitations. Verizon had no business selling that phone, as it was already old when they released it.

The point isn't about the particular phones. Its the pattern of buy a phone and don't fix it. Expect the customer to buy a newer phone. You help make the case. A 1yr old phone is ancient. Meanwhile the 3yr old iPhone 3GS will be getting iOS6. The point is that Apple tries harder to support previous phones. Most Android manufacturers don't try much at all.


Vote by uninstalling it and leaving a poor rating for the app. Use apps that don't have intrusive ads. Nobody is forcing you to use apps that have intrusive ads. None of the apps on my phone have any intrusive ads.

Again, the point is the comparison between apps in the Android market vs. Apple appstore. They seem more reserved with bad behavior in iOS because Apple is reviewing and may complain.


The difference between that and iOS is, in iOS you could be granting similar permissions but there's nothing notifying you of it. Similar to how they found out iOS developers were getting phone numbers from people's contacts. Just because you don't see the permissions being granted in iOS doesn't mean they don't have access.

Apple has been more forceful is disallowing access to data which can be considered privacy concerns. They impose new restrictions on developers. No use of device ID, no access to contacts without asking permission, no access to location data without asking permission. As a developer for both platforms, I think Apple does a better job protecting the consumer. The Android model sounded good, but Google hasn't refined it to keep it useful. The permissions should be further subdivided so that someone needing some benign permission isn't forced to ask for too much. And the all or nothing model isn't good either. Reminds me of Windows Vista User Access Control. If it warns too often, folks just turn it off or ignore the warnings.


I was with you for a while, but now you're reaching.
My point is that the animation I saw on the GS3 seems pointless. The overall intent of the iPhone UI is to make you feel like youre interacting with a physical object. You touch something and when you drag it, it moves tracking your finger as if you're really moving an object. Various animations are intended to indicate some physical 3d model. Clipboard flipping, even swiping as if something slid over it or slid across, etc.

On the GS3 the animation between home screens is of a board that flips back while its sliding to the side. It looks cool, but it doesn't map to any real 3d physical model I can think of. Its someone trying to make it look neat without having a good UI design behind it.


Perhaps if you have baby hands it's too big. My girl has no problem handling the phone with one hand, and she's a small lady. So either you're overstating the size thing or you must have some really minuscule hands. :eek:

I never said anything about hands, although it can be a challenge to reach all corners with one hand.
Its more about the size. I always have a case for my phones on a belt clip. The Thunderbolt is huge already. A similar case around the GS3 would be enormous. Remember way way back in the day when people tried to make small phones. What happened to those days.
If I want a giant screen to surf the web, I'm more than happy to use my iPad3. For maps, navigation, light web surfing, iOS6 & iPhone 5 should be plenty.

Mac.World
Jul 27, 2012, 02:01 PM
I never said anything about hands, although it can be a challenge to reach all corners with one hand.
Its more about the size. I always have a case for my phones on a belt clip. The Thunderbolt is huge already. A similar case around the GS3 would be enormous. Remember way way back in the day when people tried to make small phones. What happened to those days.
If I want a giant screen to surf the web, I'm more than happy to use my iPad3. For maps, navigation, light web surfing, iOS6 & iPhone 5 should be plenty.

http://www.youjustmademylist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/cell_phone_belt.jpg

The iGentleman
Jul 27, 2012, 02:13 PM
The point isn't about the particular phones. Its the pattern of buy a phone and don't fix it. Expect the customer to buy a newer phone. You help make the case. A 1yr old phone is ancient. Meanwhile the 3yr old iPhone 3GS will be getting iOS6. The point is that Apple tries harder to support previous phones. Most Android manufacturers don't try much at all.

The Thunderbolt got updated to what it could physically handle, same with the other phones. The 1 year old phone was hardly top of the line. It consisted of old internals. The age of the phone doesn't matter when it's got old hardware. It can only run what it's capable of. That would be like buying a low-end phone today, then wondering why it can't be upgraded to a something new in the future. It has its limitations. You knew what was in it (or at least you should have) when you bought it. (I'm not talking about you in particular, I'm speaking in general)


Again, the point is the comparison between apps in the Android market vs. Apple appstore. They seem more reserved with bad behavior in iOS because Apple is reviewing and may complain.
I think you're really overstating this, as there is only an extremely small percentage of the apps that have this.



Apple has been more forceful is disallowing access to data which can be considered privacy concerns. They impose new restrictions on developers. No use of device ID, no access to contacts without asking permission, no access to location data without asking permission. As a developer for both platforms, I think Apple does a better job protecting the consumer. The Android model sounded good, but Google hasn't refined it to keep it useful. The permissions should be further subdivided so that someone needing some benign permission isn't forced to ask for too much. And the all or nothing model isn't good either. Reminds me of Windows Vista User Access Control. If it warns too often, folks just turn it off or ignore the warnings.

History calls you a liar. It has already happened. Apple failed to properly sandbox developers and they had been gaining access to unknowing iPhone owner's contacts.


My point is that the animation I saw on the GS3 seems pointless. The overall intent of the iPhone UI is to make you feel like youre interacting with a physical object. You touch something and when you drag it, it moves tracking your finger as if you're really moving an object. Various animations are intended to indicate some physical 3d model. Clipboard flipping, even swiping as if something slid over it or slid across, etc.
How can an animation seem pointless? How can an animation have a point? It's an animation. It isn't necessary, and it doesn't have a point. It's purely eye candy.


On the GS3 the animation between home screens is of a board that flips back while its sliding to the side. It looks cool, but it doesn't map to any real 3d physical model I can think of. Its someone trying to make it look neat without having a good UI design behind it.
That's just really nitpicky there. You don't like the animation, just say that.


I never said anything about hands, although it can be a challenge to reach all corners with one hand.
Its more about the size. I always have a case for my phones on a belt clip. The Thunderbolt is huge already. A similar case around the GS3 would be enormous. Remember way way back in the day when people tried to make small phones. What happened to those days.
If I want a giant screen to surf the web, I'm more than happy to use my iPad3. For maps, navigation, light web surfing, iOS6 & iPhone 5 should be plenty.
You're grossly overstating the size of a holster. It actually isn't very much larger than a holster for a 4.3" phone. There have been plenty of times I picked up the wrong holster in the morning because it looks so close to my old one. You're way off on that one.

dmelgar
Jul 27, 2012, 06:51 PM
The Thunderbolt got updated to what it could physically handle, same with the other phones. The 1 year old phone was hardly top of the line. It consisted of old internals. The age of the phone doesn't matter when it's got old hardware. It can only run what it's capable of. That would be like buying a low-end phone today, then wondering why it can't be upgraded to a something new in the future. It has its limitations. You knew what was in it (or at least you should have) when you bought it. (I'm not talking about you in particular, I'm speaking in general)


I think you're really overstating this, as there is only an extremely small percentage of the apps that have this.



History calls you a liar. It has already happened. Apple failed to properly sandbox developers and they had been gaining access to unknowing iPhone owner's contacts.


How can an animation seem pointless? How can an animation have a point? It's an animation. It isn't necessary, and it doesn't have a point. It's purely eye candy.


That's just really nitpicky there. You don't like the animation, just say that.


You're grossly overstating the size of a holster. It actually isn't very much larger than a holster for a 4.3" phone. There have been plenty of times I picked up the wrong holster in the morning because it looks so close to my old one. You're way off on that one.

Now I see the light, you're completely right! Thank you for enlightening me!
I get it. You don't like iOS, like Android. I give.

iEvolution
Jul 28, 2012, 03:34 AM
I cant see how it would be difficult at all to reach all aspects of the screen at 4.8 inches, I have no problem reaching all over the screen on 7 inch tablet, unless we are talking one handed.

Zaft
Jul 28, 2012, 03:46 AM
I cant see how it would be difficult at all to reach all aspects of the screen at 4.8 inches, I have no problem reaching all over the screen on 7 inch tablet, unless we are talking one handed.

Pretty sure it's common sense that you can reach any part of the screen when using two hands.

NJRonbo
Aug 26, 2012, 09:46 AM
Reviving this thread.

For the past week or so my mind has been dominated with the decision of whether to upgrade (from the iPhone 4) to the new iPhone 5 -or- switch over to the Samsung Galaxy S3.

This wouldn't have become the focus of my attention if not for two co-workers recently purchasing their GS3. It's hard not to fall in love with that phone.

From what we *think* we know about the upcoming iPhone 5, it doesn't look very appealing. It looks like someone took a rolling pin and stretched out its screen so now it's taller. Personally, I would rather Apple release the same size screen as the GS3, but we know that it could not be supported by the Retina display.

Unless Apple totally pulls a rabbit out of their hat next month and surprises us with a totally revamped look, I am not expecting a game-changer here.

The biggest fear I have about switching over to Android is leaving the Apple ecosystem that keeps my iMac, Macbook Pro and iPad in perfect sync. While I understand that the Google Cloud would probably work as well as iCloud does for all these devices, my fear is that information syncing would not be immediate and not without bugs.

Most of the stories I read from former iPhone users who switched to Android are mostly positive. The one thing I keep reading in post after post is how much more fluently the iOS platform works -and- how much better its Apps are over the Android counterpart.

If Apple doesn't reinvent the iPhone next month, I'll probably be switching over to the Galaxy S3 or wait for the plus version of it. In the meantime, I hope to read more reviews from iPhone users who have made the switch.

Technarchy
Aug 26, 2012, 09:55 AM
I wonder where Apple got the idea for a grid of icons...


They got it from...themselves...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Apple_Macintosh_Desktop.png

SlCKB0Y
Aug 26, 2012, 10:08 AM
They got it from...themselves...

Image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Apple_Macintosh_Desktop.png)

Two can play at that game...

http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/2009/03/xerox-8010-star.gif

Technarchy
Aug 26, 2012, 10:23 AM
Two can play at that game...

Image (http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/2009/03/xerox-8010-star.gif)

What game? Some silly person pontificates on why iOS features a grid of icons...Apple has been doing icons on a grid since 1984.

The presumption that it came from Blackberry is idiotic, and posting a pic from Xerox is irrelevent because it has no bearing on the question of why Apple uses a grid of icons in iOS. No one questioned where the first elements of the GUI came from.

Mac.World
Aug 26, 2012, 11:23 AM
They got it from...themselves...

Image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Apple_Macintosh_Desktop.png)

Not the same thing and you know it. Nor are those gridded icons anyway. Nor are they uniform. Why would Apple do this:

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article/2010/10/15/142228-jobs_original_ipod.jpg

Instead of this? Tech was readily available, in fact this was a year 2000 BB 957. The success of the other platforms and styling of the icons is why Steve stole the idea.

http://dealbreaker.com/uploads/2010/06/blackberry-957.jpg

Technarchy
Aug 26, 2012, 11:56 AM
Not the same thing and you know it. Nor are those gridded icons anyway. Nor are they uniform. Why would Apple do this:

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article/2010/10/15/142228-jobs_original_ipod.jpg)

Instead of this? Tech was readily available, in fact this was a year 2000 BB 957. The success of the other platforms and styling of the icons is why Steve stole the idea.

Image (http://dealbreaker.com/uploads/2010/06/blackberry-957.jpg)

Apple has been doing an icon based GUI for nearly 30 years. This notion that RIM of all firms was the progenitor is beyond absurd.

As for the iPod, it's interface was a clear case of form follows function, and nothing more. However, since you insist with this muttonheaded fallacy, which you say "was a year 2000 BB 957"...

Lets go back to 1993...grid layout, uniform icons...

http://ouriel.typepad.com/myblog/newton.jpg