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jesarg24
Jul 15, 2012, 02:19 PM
Hi Guys:
I currently have installed the Mountain Lion Golden Version, I don't have any developer account, my question is : Can I just download the appstore Mountain Lion and reinstall it in my MacBook Pro without doing anything special? Do I just download the file and install it and it will overwrite the existing files without problems? I need help, please. :confused:



kodeman53
Jul 15, 2012, 02:53 PM
I currently have installed the Mountain Lion Golden Version

It's Golden Master, not Golden Version.

I don't have any developer account,

Hopefully, you wont get any help.

Michael Goff
Jul 15, 2012, 02:55 PM
Hopefully, you wont get any help.

Why are you posting if you hope he doesn't get any help? Or are you just that rude?

kodeman53
Jul 15, 2012, 03:00 PM
Why are you posting if you hope he doesn't get any help? Or are you just that rude?

Only developers should have the GM. The OP was rude for even posting. Understand now?

pmau
Jul 15, 2012, 03:08 PM
Hi Guys:
I currently have installed the Mountain Lion Golden Version, I don't have any developer account, my question is : Can I just download the appstore Mountain Lion and reinstall it in my MacBook Pro without doing anything special? Do I just download the file and install it and it will overwrite the existing files without problems? I need help, please. :confused:

I guess you mean you want to re-download Lion and install it?
(Since Mountain Lion is not released yet.)

If you want to re-install Lion, it would be better to wipe the drive first.
Lion has no idea what files belong to Mountain Lion, it will only overwrite files that are present in both versions.

If you are asking if you can download and install Mountain Lion after it officially appears in the AppSore, you would have to buy it first and then should probably perform a clean install, too.

My guess is that the App Store version, once released, will not have the same build number even though nothing has really changed.

Experiments like the one you did should be performed on external USB drives that nowadays cost hardly any money.

Crazy Badger
Jul 15, 2012, 03:23 PM
Anyone would think the guy has just run over Tim Cooks dog!

I'm in the evil camp too - not a developer but have downloaded ML GM and have it running on a iMac that I don't use for anything too important.

From memory, when I did something similar with Lion, you can just buy the release version and it will re-install although don't expect anything too different. If not, just keep on running the GM version assuming it updates OK and simply buy a copy in the app store so you have an up to date license.

If you don't, I can't be held responsible for what the MR software licensing department might do to you ;)

Michael Goff
Jul 15, 2012, 03:26 PM
Only developers should have the GM. The OP was rude for even posting. Understand now?

He was rude coming to a website that's based on Macs asking for help? This is the sort of thing the website seems to be here for, helping people. If you're not actually going to help, and just judge, you should just not post.

There's nothing rude about asking for help, just because he's doing something he shouldn't do. What is rude is wasting everybody's time with the sort of drivel that you've posted. It's time we'll never get back.

jesarg24
Jul 15, 2012, 03:28 PM
Anyone would think the guy has just run over Tim Cooks dog!

I'm in the evil camp too - not a developer but have downloaded ML GM and have it running on a iMac that I don't use for anything too important.

From memory, when I did something similar with Lion, you can just buy the release version and it will re-install although don't expect anything too different. If not, just keep on running the GM version assuming it updates OK and simply buy a copy in the app store so you have an up to date license.

If you don't, I can't be held responsible for what the MR software licensing department might do to you ;)

Thank you very much, that is what I am actually planning to do, I will buy it from the appstore and I will reinstall it. Hope everything will be fine.

kodeman53
Jul 15, 2012, 03:29 PM
He was rude coming to a website that's based on Macs asking for help? This is the sort of thing the website seems to be here for, helping people. If you're not actually going to help, and just judge, you should just not post.

There's nothing rude about asking for help, just because he's doing something he shouldn't do. What is rude is wasting everybody's time with the sort of drivel that you've posted. It's time we'll never get back.

Then don't waste your time by replying. See how simple?

MR doesn't allow illegal activity, e.g., threads about Installous, selling UDIDs to get access to developer resources, etc. Get your facts straight next time.

jesarg24
Jul 15, 2012, 03:30 PM
He was rude coming to a website that's based on Macs asking for help? This is the sort of thing the website seems to be here for, helping people. If you're not actually going to help, and just judge, you should just not post.

There's nothing rude about asking for help, just because he's doing something he shouldn't do. What is rude is wasting everybody's time with the sort of drivel that you've posted. It's time we'll never get back.

Thanks for the support and that is exactly what I expected when I came to a place like this.

kodeman53
Jul 15, 2012, 03:31 PM
Thank you very much, that is what I am actually planning to do, I will buy it from the appstore and I will reinstall it. Hope everything will be fine.

If you actually have GM installed, the App Store version won't be different. Next time, get GM honestly.

jesarg24
Jul 15, 2012, 03:33 PM
If you actually have GM installed, the App Store version won't be different. Next time, get GM honestly.

Thanks, I will get it when it is released this month. Thanks again.

xav8tor
Jul 15, 2012, 03:38 PM
Only developers should have the GM.

Incorrect. Select customers also have had ML since day one of the first release to developers. It is called the "Apple Software Customer Seeding" program.

I don't know what the selection criteria are, but I suspect the products you own, the setting, and how you interfaced with tech support in the past plays a role. I too am curious as to what the update path is, and installs for my other Apple products. The seed docs don't say, tech support wasn't absolutely sure about it either.

All in all, it has been fun participating. I took a pass on Lion, but it did come on my wife's Air and I was not a fan of that release. Mountain Lion, on the other hand, is really, really nice.

kettlecorn
Jul 15, 2012, 03:56 PM
Only developers should have the GM. The OP was rude for even posting. Understand now?

Yeah way to go thumbs up-ing your own comment. Your signature says it all. you're just being a douche you don't really care that he's "pirating" or getting software illegally. What's it to you? If he makes that choice, he pays the consequences.

austinguy23
Jul 15, 2012, 04:08 PM
Wirelessly posted

Only developers should have the GM. The OP was rude for even posting. Understand now?

Yeah way to go thumbs up-ing your own comment. Your signature says it all. you're just being a douche you don't really care that he's "pirating" or getting software illegally. What's it to you? If he makes that choice, he pays the consequences.

Actually, he probably won't pay the consequences. People who pirate collectively hurt the economy as they are stealing but seldom get caught. Simple minded people like to think they're doing no harm because they're not stealing a tangible product.

Yeah, this guy may also buy it when it's released but who really knows. I'm sure many who pirate it will never get around to paying for it.

ericDylan
Jul 15, 2012, 04:46 PM
The OP was rude for even posting. Understand now?

The only person being rude here is you. Whether he is or is not a dev is not the issue. He asked a question. If you can't or won't answer it, then move along.

He has already made his decision to install a dev release. Nothing you or anyone else says will change that now.

Wirelessly postedYeah, this guy may also buy it when it's released but who really knows. I'm sure many who pirate it will never get around to paying for it.

So, because other people who pirate things will never get around to buying the official release, the OP is automatically guilty? And, because of this, no one should help him–he is obviously a bad person for downloading an update for his computer? Right now, aside from buying a dev account for $99, pirating is the only way to try out ML. Once it is officially released, feel free to judge away, but, until then, chill.

To answer the OP's question, the GM is the same as what will be released on the AS, so you can just buy it–paying apple for the update–without installing it since nothing will change.

SRRM
Jul 15, 2012, 04:49 PM
i have GM and not a developers
everything fine expect for the facebook and gamecenter not connection 4 me

kodeman53
Jul 15, 2012, 05:09 PM
The only person being rude here is you. Whether he is or is not a dev is not the issue. He asked a question. If you can't or won't answer it, then move along.

He has already made his decision to install a dev release. Nothing you or anyone else says will change that now.

When you own MR, I'll listen to you. And butting into a conversation that doesn't involve you is also rude.

I read the same rationalization by pirates in the iPhone Hacks section. Sadly, the only thing that keeps some people from stealing is the threat of getting caught. When the threat is low, their true nature oozes out.

And I already answered the OPs question.

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Yeah way to go thumbs up-ing your own comment. Your signature says it all. you're just being a douche you don't really care that he's "pirating" or getting software illegally. What's it to you? If he makes that choice, he pays the consequences.

And you know I thumbs upped my post how? Answer: You don't. The only people my sig offends are those in the wagon. Those pulling it agree with it.

Senseotech
Jul 15, 2012, 05:09 PM
Wirelessly posted



Actually, he probably won't pay the consequences. People who pirate collectively hurt the economy as they are stealing but seldom get caught. Simple minded people like to think they're doing no harm because they're not stealing a tangible product.

Yeah, this guy may also buy it when it's released but who really knows. I'm sure many who pirate it will never get around to paying for it.

Theres yet to be any tangible proof that anything you just said is actual fact, and not just whining and BSing on the part of the requisite industries (RIAA, MPAA, etc.), but nice try sounding like you actually know anything.

austinguy23
Jul 15, 2012, 05:10 PM
So, because other people who pirate things will never get around to buying the official release, the OP is automatically guilty? And, because of this, no one should help him–he is obviously a bad person for downloading an update for his computer? Right now, aside from buying a dev account for $99, pirating is the only way to try out ML. Once it is officially released, feel free to judge away, but, until then, chill.


No, his act is bad because he is stealing software. It's very simple, guy. Entity A has something that it only wants others to have if they paid for a Dev account (for the most part and for the time being). Entity B decides to not pay for a Dev account and takes Entity A's product anyway.

That's theft. You can try to rationalize it any way you like but you cannot bend logic.

I swear, I cannot stand people with a warped sense of entitlement.

kodeman53
Jul 15, 2012, 05:12 PM
Theres yet to be any tangible proof that anything you just said is actual fact, and not just whining and BSing on the part of the requisite industries (RIAA, MPAA, etc.), but nice try sounding like you actually know anything.

The OP admitted he did not have a developer account. Read the first post. :rolleyes:

Senseotech
Jul 15, 2012, 05:14 PM
The OP admitted he did not have a developer account. Read the first post. :rolleyes:

Read my post again, I was referencing the "piracy ruins the economy!!!! OMG!!!" comments.

kodeman53
Jul 15, 2012, 05:16 PM
Read my post again, I was referencing the "piracy ruins the economy!!!! OMG!!!" comments.

Stealing raises prices. That's not theory, that's fact.

Senseotech
Jul 15, 2012, 05:21 PM
Stealing raises prices. That's not theory, that's fact.

Stealing a physical product does, not a digital copy of something, but if you insist upon applying the same standards for new distribution methods as we do for old, antiquated ones, how about we start charging a "digital shipping fee," or better yet, put DRM on everything on the internet since retailers put anti-theft tags on things, so its the same thing, right?

kodeman53
Jul 15, 2012, 05:28 PM
Stealing a physical product does, not a digital copy of something, but if you insist upon applying the same standards for new distribution methods as we do for old, antiquated ones, how about we start charging a "digital shipping fee," or better yet, put DRM on everything on the internet since retailers put anti-theft tags on things, so its the same thing, right?
Sarcasm changes nothing. By your 'reasoning', if it's not a physical item it should be free. Amazing.

canadianpj
Jul 15, 2012, 05:29 PM
Only developers should have the GM. The OP was rude for even posting. Understand now?

Not really seeing as how you're still being rude. There is explaining this to someone and then being rude about it.

Senseotech
Jul 15, 2012, 05:30 PM
Sarcasm changes nothing. By your 'reasoning', if it's not a physical item it should be free. Amazing.

No, my reasoning is that the current ideas, concepts, and models we apply to physical goods and their sale don't completely work when we try to apply them the digital world. To imply that they do, or that they're not vastly different beasts is to look like a fool stuck in the past.

canadianpj
Jul 15, 2012, 05:30 PM
Then don't waste your time by replying. See how simple?

MR doesn't allow illegal activity, e.g., threads about Installous, selling UDIDs to get access to developer resources, etc. Get your facts straight next time.

So perhaps explain this to him, in case he did not know? We're not all, clearly, as smart as you are. No reason to be high and mighty about it. :cool:

robwilson
Jul 15, 2012, 05:38 PM
Charline Sheen Rant????:D:D:D:D

JohnDoe98
Jul 15, 2012, 05:43 PM
Stealing raises prices. That's not theory, that's fact.

A bunch of us get ML for free due to recent hardware purchases, and since the GM is likely to be identical to the final release, it's likey nothing was stolen. Only liscence agreements were broken. That doesn't raise any prices.

ericDylan
Jul 15, 2012, 05:46 PM
When you own MR, I'll listen to you. And butting into a conversation that doesn't involve you is also rude.

I read the same rationalization by pirates in the iPhone Hacks section. Sadly, the only thing that keeps some people from stealing is the threat of getting caught. When the threat is low, their true nature oozes out.

A conversation that doesn't involve me? You're kidding right? In case you didn't notice, this is a forum. And, if you'll notice, I never said what he did was socially or morally acceptable. I simply provided a possible explanation as to why he pirated.

Oh, and what does owning MR have to do with anything? Should I leave? Because I don't own MR and I am apparently not apart of this conversation. If I agreed with you, would I be apart of the conversation? This is some pretty sketchy logic that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

That's theft. You can try to rationalize it any way you like but you cannot bend logic.

I swear, I cannot stand people with a warped sense of entitlement.

Again, I never said he was a good person for downloading it. Nor did I say others should. I simply posited a possible reason for his "bad act." I am not trying to rationalize stealing. I am simply defending his right to ask questions in a forum. He already pirated. Your obvious contempt for this will not change anything. He is seeking help. If you wish to comply, then, by all means do so. If not, there is not need to be rude to him or me–an innocent bystander.

I swear, I cannot stand sanctimonious people.

kodeman53
Jul 15, 2012, 06:59 PM
I swear, I cannot stand sanctimonious people.
I swear, I cannot stand people who rationalize stealing.

JohnDoe98
Jul 15, 2012, 07:49 PM
I swear, I cannot stand people who rationalize stealing.

Who does the land you walk on today belong to?

ericDylan
Jul 15, 2012, 09:08 PM
I swear, I cannot stand people who rationalize stealing.

Ouch! I think I made need some aloe for that one... :rolleyes:

Seriously though, if you are not going to add anything positive (or at least something that substantiates your own argument), then you should just leave. You obviously don't agree with the OP's actions–you have made that clear enough.

unobtainium
Jul 16, 2012, 12:25 AM
Only developers should have the GM. The OP was rude for even posting. Understand now?



No. That doesn't make any sense. What's "rude" about the OP's post? :rolleyes: This forum is full of annoying people who care far too much about what they think other people should and shouldn't be doing. Here's a tip: no one cares.

thomaskc
Jul 16, 2012, 12:44 AM
No. That doesn't make any sense. What's "rude" about the OP's post? :rolleyes: This forum is full of annoying people who care far too much about what they think other people should and shouldn't be doing. Here's a tip: no one cares.

Totally agree... people that tries to play internet police to feel better at night really piss me off, and it has nothing to do with right on wrong, it is really a matter of when people post, they are mostly seeking advice or help, which is the purpose of these forums.

If people were asking how to get hold of cyanide to kill babies, then sure.. but it's software! everyone has it, "steals" it, borrows it, buys it... in what ever way form or shape everyone have it or have access. How or why shouldn't be the discussion to the extend that it always is on these forums.

/rant better get back to work

satchow
Jul 16, 2012, 08:51 AM
Hi Guys:
I currently have installed the Mountain Lion Golden Version, I don't have any developer account, my question is : Can I just download the appstore Mountain Lion and reinstall it in my MacBook Pro without doing anything special? Do I just download the file and install it and it will overwrite the existing files without problems? I need help, please. :confused:

Lots of bickering. Anyways, here is how I would do it but keep in mind that GM is likely to be the same thing as the official appstore version so you may not even have to do this.

First I would make a Time Machine backup, then after purchasing Mountain Lion I would make a USB stick install from the .dmg file. I would then boot up the stick, use Disk Utility to erase the GM partition, reinstall ML then restore the TM backup.

Razeus
Jul 16, 2012, 03:18 PM
So basically this update is just a bunch of iOS apps for the Mac that integrate with my iPhone and iPad? Apple is losing their touch.

SamSmith
Jul 20, 2012, 04:22 PM
I don't know if it will be the same for ML, but here is a tutorial for Lion.

http://viktorpetersson.com/2011/07/20/how-to-upgrade-from-mac-os-x-lion-gm-to-final-release/

JKK photography
Jul 21, 2012, 01:47 PM
Then don't waste your time by replying. See how simple?

MR doesn't allow illegal activity, e.g., threads about Installous, selling UDIDs to get access to developer resources, etc. Get your facts straight next time.

What a pompous jerk you are being. You are correct: MacRumors, a site that you have been part of for a whopping two months, doesn't support any of that. However, there are ways to convey this message without coming across as rude.

This site doesn't need that attitude. No, I'm not a moderator, but I've seen sites that have that type of attitude towards questions, and they inevitably end up in the same place: the toilet.

OP: While the above poster was incredibly arrogant and rude towards your question, he is technically correct. You shouldn't have the developer builds unless you are a developer or a tester. Since you are neither, I would suggest downgrading and then waiting for the official release. You will have to perform a complete wipe to downgrade, though.

kodeman53
Jul 21, 2012, 01:52 PM
What a pompous jerk you are being. You are correct: MacRumors, a site that you have been part of for a whopping two months, doesn't support any of that.
Sorry, I forgot, being a member since 2009 brings wisdom. Like a pointless response long after the thread is over. Got that off your check now? :rolleyes: EDIT: i almost forgot to wish you a very happy third anniversary on MR.

Fry-man22
Jul 21, 2012, 02:23 PM
Last year I installed the 10.7 GM on my MBP before public release. ONce it went public the machine just kept receiving updates like it was an app store install.

If you install the GM there is a good possibility you won't have to do anything when it is released.

JKK photography
Jul 21, 2012, 03:57 PM
Sorry, I forgot, being a member since 2009 brings wisdom. Like a pointless response long after the thread is over. Got that off your check now? :rolleyes: EDIT: i almost forgot to wish you a very happy third anniversary on MR.

No, no - not wisdom. It doesn't bring anything. However, just being a decent person does bring one thing: kindness, my friend. Kindness. Now, please - get the chip off your shoulder.

:) And thank you! I almost hadn't even noticed!

Lvivske
Jul 22, 2012, 02:16 AM
Stealing raises prices. That's not theory, that's fact.

Which is why the cost of music and movies has gone down since pirating hit the mainstream.

kodeman53
Jul 22, 2012, 05:02 AM
Which is why the cost of music and movies has gone down since pirating hit the mainstream.

and the rooster crowing causes the sun to come up in the morning. Brilliant logic.

the8thark
Jul 22, 2012, 10:55 AM
Charline Sheen Rant????:D:D:D:D
Ah but who's winning?

*************

Advice to the OP.
Next time don't admit you have something you didn't pay to have the rights to own. What people don't know won't hurt them. At least your honest. That's something.

Major.Robto
Jul 22, 2012, 10:59 AM
Who the hell cares if he is a dev or not?
Why all of this fighting, its ****ing stupid!

Op just asked if he could install a X.8 over the gold master.

To be honest, I think you could be able to if it was 10.8.1

But the gold master is the app store canadate.
So it will be the same, and I also think we will get a update if anything changes between them. '


its like we are on 10.8.-1 at the moment.

cocky jeremy
Jul 22, 2012, 11:34 AM
Wirelessly posted



Actually, he probably won't pay the consequences. People who pirate collectively hurt the economy as they are stealing but seldom get caught. Simple minded people like to think they're doing no harm because they're not stealing a tangible product.

Yeah, this guy may also buy it when it's released but who really knows. I'm sure many who pirate it will never get around to paying for it.

If you "Steal" something, it can't be replaced. He just made a copy of something. It costs Apple nothing. Quit being such a baby.

kodeman53
Jul 22, 2012, 12:04 PM
If you "Steal" something, it can't be replaced. He just made a copy of something. It costs Apple nothing. Quit being such a baby.

Save your rationalization for the pirate sites.

Senseotech
Jul 22, 2012, 12:06 PM
Save your rationalization for the pirate sites.

Save your sanctimonious attitude for somewhere where people actually care.

Lvivske
Jul 22, 2012, 12:09 PM
and the rooster crowing causes the sun to come up in the morning. Brilliant logic.

You really should try logic sometime before getting your foot in your mouth.

Senseotech
Jul 22, 2012, 12:13 PM
You really should try logic sometime before getting your foot in your mouth.

Eh, he's nothing more than a political troll, intelligence, logic, and thought are all words he doesn't seem to understand. His single goal it seems, from the various posts I've seen, is to brashly attack someone in a thread and then watch the entire thing devolve into a fight of "who's opinion is the right one?" that only he can win.

Major.Robto
Jul 22, 2012, 12:39 PM
You guys, calm the hell down who in there right mind gives a flying ****?

stop fighing for apple, they can fight there own pirate battles. They dont need anoying people like you to fight for them.

You make it seem worse.

I pirated 10.8 and guess what, I dont care. Big deal

If some one wants to run pirated software its there choice not some other peoples choice.

so you all take a chill pill and relise this is stupid to fight over.

kodeman53
Jul 22, 2012, 12:44 PM
Eh, he's nothing more than a political troll, intelligence, logic, and thought are all words he doesn't seem to understand. His single goal it seems, from the various posts I've seen, is to brashly attack someone in a thread and then watch the entire thing devolve into a fight of "who's opinion is the right one?" that only he can win.

Tsk, tsk, name calling, the last resort of people who are wrong.

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You really should try logic sometime before getting your foot in your mouth.
Please explain how piracy causes prices to fall. I can't wait to hear and learn from your wisdom.

PhoenixMac
Jul 22, 2012, 01:08 PM
I'm pretty sure streaming caused prices of media to fall.

Lvivske
Jul 22, 2012, 03:33 PM
Tsk, tsk, name calling, the last resort of people who are wrong.

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Please explain how piracy causes prices to fall. I can't wait to hear and learn from your wisdom.

Saturation of the marketplace. This is basic supply and demand, pal.

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I'm pretty sure streaming caused prices of media to fall.

streaming was a result of piracy and a means to monetizing digital media

domino effect

kodeman53
Jul 22, 2012, 03:48 PM
Saturation of the marketplace. This is basic supply and demand, pal.
So, the pirates steal so much the market is saturated. Right, pal.:rolleyes:

Lvivske
Jul 22, 2012, 08:24 PM
So, the pirates steal so much the market is saturated. Right, pal.:rolleyes:

Um...yes.

cocky jeremy
Jul 22, 2012, 10:02 PM
Save your rationalization for the pirate sites.

Save yours for the RIAA/MPAA. :rolleyes:

j-a-x
Jul 22, 2012, 10:50 PM
Incorrect. Select customers also have had ML since day one of the first release to developers. It is called the "Apple Software Customer Seeding" program.

I don't know what the selection criteria are, but I suspect the products you own, the setting, and how you interfaced with tech support in the past plays a role. I too am curious as to what the update path is, and installs for my other Apple products. The seed docs don't say, tech support wasn't absolutely sure about it either.

All in all, it has been fun participating. I took a pass on Lion, but it did come on my wife's Air and I was not a fan of that release. Mountain Lion, on the other hand, is really, really nice.

I'm a member of the customer seeding program (called AppleSeed) as well. I don't know what the criteria is either but Apple randomly invited me to join it after the first developer preview of ML. I am an iOS developer and I do a limited amount of Mac OS development (just not via the App Store or with an Apple Mac Developer account), so maybe that's why they picked me.