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Seth Mac Fan
Jul 18, 2012, 04:56 AM
What is the deal with mountain lion ? It looks like it adds a couple apps and no UI changes . Is there anything new under the hood of the os or is it just basically like a software update ? I am not bashing mountain lion but I am just curious why some many people are excited about such little change . Dont get me wrong I love apple lol it just seems they are pushing us mac users to the side and focusing on IOS mainly anymore . We are the ones who believed and supported in apple all of these years the good times and bad times .



ixodes
Jul 18, 2012, 04:59 AM
The Apple crowd can be very emotional :)

WhackyNinja
Jul 18, 2012, 05:00 AM
I do know there ARE some subtle UI changes. And Mountain Lion is known to be faster than Lion and have a lot of improvements. What are they? I do not know cause I haven't tested Mountain Lion. But if you are a Lion user, Mountain Lion is a GREAT update and for $19.99 thats a great price!

Seth Mac Fan
Jul 18, 2012, 05:02 AM
I just feel like mac is fading away and being replaced by tablets and phones . But I guess you could say that about all operating systems right now . Maybe im old fashioned but I like a keyboard and mouse for computing . If the world does go all tablet that there will be a way to hook up your tablets to a big monitor and it would turn into a classic desktop mode , and use a keyboard and mouse that would be a great solution for people who want to get things done efficiently .

heisenberg123
Jul 18, 2012, 06:49 AM
Your correct they are focusing more on the iOS side, there is a lot of money to be made on those devices, that said it only makes good business sense for apple to make their mac os work flawlessly with those devices

Seth Mac Fan
Jul 18, 2012, 08:01 AM
Your correct they are focusing more on the iOS side, there is a lot of money to be made on those devices, that said it only makes good business sense for apple to make their mac os work flawlessly with those devices

I agree but I think they are really moving too fast , I dont know ohh well lets just hope apple develops a way to use ios with a mouse and keyboard in a desktop mode with a external display .

heisenberg123
Jul 18, 2012, 09:15 AM
I agree but I think they are really moving too fast , I dont know ohh well lets just hope apple develops a way to use ios with a mouse and keyboard in a desktop mode with a external display .

im sure we will always have mice and keyboards on our laptops/desktops but the new Mac OS features will continue to be geared towards how it can be more in sync and compatible to whats going on your iOS device

mabaker
Jul 18, 2012, 09:30 AM
I just feel like mac is fading away and being replaced by tablets and phones . But I guess you could say that about all operating systems right now . Maybe im old fashioned but I like a keyboard and mouse for computing . If the world does go all tablet that there will be a way to hook up your tablets to a big monitor and it would turn into a classic desktop mode , and use a keyboard and mouse that would be a great solution for people who want to get things done efficiently .

You feel right. That is exactly what is happening. Steve Jobs creed was to advance as fast as possible leaving all the old technology behind. You can't advance without letting go of the past, as much as it hurts.

jmdwifi
Jul 18, 2012, 12:42 PM
You feel right. That is exactly what is happening. Steve Jobs creed was to advance as fast as possible leaving all the old technology behind. You can't advance without letting go of the past, as much as it hurts.

It pisses people off when you leave old technology behind that someone bought a year ago. I am not complaining. I love my Macbook pro. I had a macbook a few years ago and hated it. This one is bad ass

steve-p
Jul 18, 2012, 12:53 PM
We are the ones who believed and supported in apple all of these years the good times and bad times .
Although... believing in and supporting Apple's computers and computer operating systems doesn't count for all that much if you're still using a G5.

Seth Mac Fan
Jul 18, 2012, 06:35 PM
Although... believing in and supporting Apple's computers and computer operating systems doesn't count for all that much if you're still using a G5.

Thing is with the G5 it is still a pretty decent machine , It could handle most of todays technology for a AVERAGE user if it was still being supported by apple and other software company's. I plan on getting a mini next year or late this year that is if they don't discontinue it like they might be with the mac pro .

By the way I am a supporter of apple I bought my powermac g5 years years ago and it has served me well for all of this time . I have also bought a macbook but sold it in 2010 because I used my G5 more and like desktops more . I also have bought lots of ipods during all of these years but I just don't see the need to use a ios device as my main computing machine I think apple is going leave us mac users in the dust because we are not the majority of there customer base . I understand apple in trying to simplify things but they are just moving too fast for my taste . But this is not just apple it is every operating system out today . They are thinking everybody wants a tablet and touch interface and I just do not believe that is the case .

Nitrocide
Jul 18, 2012, 06:41 PM
I see 10.8 Mountain Lion as the 10.6 Snow Leopard to Leopard. 10.5 Leopard to 10.7 Lion IMO has a lot of big interface changes (some that have kept friends of mine from updating altogether).

Next time they may shake things up a bit more.

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I have also bought a macbook but sold it in 2010 because I used my G5 more and like desktops more .

I'm surprised the lack of software support didn't swing you. I recently sold my old PM G5 due to developers not supporting Power PC architecture any more. Depends on your needs thought I suppose! It definitely is still a capable machine.

Seth Mac Fan
Jul 18, 2012, 07:04 PM
I'm surprised the lack of software support didn't swing you. I recently sold my old PM G5

Yeah it is a little annoying but right now I only really listen and watch podcasts and web browse and occasionally do some light video editing and some other things , but I will need a new mac for college and plan on getting the cheapest mac mini from apple and a decent monitor . Im sure that $599 mini will blow my G5 away in many ways . But for right now my G5 still serves me well and does what I need it for . I just wish it was supported more widely at least by the open source community but even in that area power pc is loosing support fast . Lets just hope apple does not discontinue the Mac mini if they do I will have to buy it used which I do not want to do . Hopefully they upgrade the mini late this year or early next year so I will have a faster machine then they offer now . Also for youtube watching on the pwoer pc there is a great application called Mactubes it will run on power pc macs and it runs youtube video's flawlessly it is a great app if you have a g5 or older .

Seth Mac Fan
Jul 18, 2012, 07:50 PM
I see 10.8 Mountain Lion as the 10.6 Snow Leopard to Leopard. 10.5 Leopard to 10.7 Lion IMO has a lot of big interface changes (some that have kept friends of mine from updating altogether).


I know I seen what they did it looked kind of dumb , I don't see how steve jobs liked some of the things they did to lion . You would think he would have wanted a cleaner look for some of those apps they changed the look for .

bedifferent
Jul 18, 2012, 09:38 PM
This is not about old tech being left behind, this is about the professionals being left behind. As a Mac user for over a decade, I need power systems and screen real estate for editing/work/etc. Sorry but HD rendering on MacBook Pro's or even a Core i7 iMac is painfully slow. My 12-Core Mac Pro (now 2010 parts, how's Apple leaving that old tech behind?), gets through my work, and time=money for my projects.

Tablet's and mobile devices are handy, but they will never, ever replace desktop workstations. This Apple notion that the desktop is dead in a "post-PC era" is so ludicrous it's amazing. Five years ago, if such a statement had been made from a non-Steve Jobs source there would have been angry mobs. Since Jobs pushed it, and since the company has made billions on cheaper MacBook Pro's, iPhone's, and iPad's compared to the PowerMac G4/5's and three CCFL LCD's that once garnered Apple praise from the design industry, it must be true. I had 2 23" Apple CCFL LCD's that lasted 7 years, I replaced them with the [then] 24" LED LCD's that were basically iMac panel's in a smaller form factor. The cables are so short I had to buy Mini-Display Port and USB extension cables to reach my Mac Pro. Add the external monitor needed for my work, and no, iPad's and ultrabooks will never cut it. Not any time soon. I couldn't imagine working on anything smaller than 24".

Just because a company neglects a market while making money on the mobile market (which has always been lucrative) doesn't mean OS X and pro-systems are dead. There will need to be room at the table for both, period.

As for OS X, it's disgraceful that OpenGL 4.0 Core support is lagging, HFS+ is in dire need of a replacement (and shame as Leopard beta's had ZFS but Apple was late in the game with SunSystems), 10.8 has improved memory management but still needs work, and the iOS features HAVE taken engineering focus away from improving an overall OS X experience. Lion was a disaster, and I've been a developer for a long time. I cannot believe they removed full support for iPhoto image retrieval within the app via "Time Machine", I couldn't care less about Facebook integration, and not supporting full 64-bit systems on 10.8 with an EFI64 is disgraceful as many Mac Pro's were advertised as full 64-bit. This will lead to issues for Apple, who seems as of late more focused on spending their billions in cash on lawsuits than innovation.

When Jobs returned to Apple, he cut back and focused on four segments:

When Jobs returned to Apple after the departure of John Sculley, he quickly realizes that product development had gone out of control and the company was spending resources on huge variety of products without any focus. Jobs cut through the red tape by deciding they should narrow their focus to four targets, and drew a grid to illustrate it. On the x axis he included "professional" and "consumer" users and on the vertical he had "desktop" and "portable" computers. This simple grid was able to focus resources on designing features for specific users, rather than target a product at the entire market.


This has not changed. Apple simply brought on consumers with iPhones and iOS, the professionals never left, Apple decided on shaking them when he told pro's after buying "Shake" "their opinion will no longer be needed."

This idea that desktops and such are done is an Apple concept. While the mobile market has grown, it's important to analyze the figures not my numbers but in relativity to markets and other vendors. So Apple is now a consumer company, professionals and businesses will have to spend their millions on system and software license upgrades else where.

Thunderbird
Jul 18, 2012, 10:05 PM
Anyone know if there is a third party app to add more color to the GUI, instead of all the grey? Is this even possible?

Seth Mac Fan
Jul 18, 2012, 11:18 PM
This is not about old tech being left behind, this is about the professionals being left behind.

I completely agree , though I am not in any way a professional I understand the annoying issues you have to deal with because of apple . They are alienating there professional base even though it is like 1% of there market share which I doubt is a true number I believe it to be higher than that . When it all said and done I think apple will stop making the computers by 2015 maybe earlier and I now believe they will discontinue the mac pro . They will probably come out with 1 or two more upgrades between two years from now . I think the only solution in the 3-5 years will be professionals moving to open source linux for a true workstation desktop environment . I am just really going to miss the Mac OS , I absolutely can not stand IOS at all and would absolutely not use IOS as a main os because you are loosing all of your freedom . If mountain lion is the last Mac OS I will move to linux for my work and that will work for me when software is no longer being made for mountain lion , linux is looking like a better solution to me at every day . Do not get me wrong I love Mac and Apple but if they stop making computers and a real desktop I will be leaving them as I could care less about apples mobile devices . I like Apple for there operating system not there little mobile toy computers that they are trying to pass of as real computers .

clukas
Jul 19, 2012, 12:19 AM
I completely agree , though I am not in any way a professional I understand the annoying issues you have to deal with because of apple . They are alienating there professional base even though it is like 1% of there market share which I doubt is a true number I believe it to be higher than that . When it all said and done I think apple will stop making the computers by 2015 maybe earlier and I now believe they will discontinue the mac pro . They will probably come out with 1 or two more upgrades between two years from now . I think the only solution in the 3-5 years will be professionals moving to open source linux for a true workstation desktop environment . I am just really going to miss the Mac OS , I absolutely can not stand IOS at all and would absolutely not use IOS as a main os because you are loosing all of your freedom . If mountain lion is the last Mac OS I will move to linux for my work and that will work for me when software is no longer being made for mountain lion , linux is looking like a better solution to me at every day . Do not get me wrong I love Mac and Apple but if they stop making computers and a real desktop I will be leaving them as I could care less about apples mobile devices . I like Apple for there operating system not there little mobile toy computers that they are trying to pass of as real computers .

I was thinking a similar thing earlier, but I think apple knows that they would sign their own grave with this. The professional market is much more than 1%, almost all major news papers around the world use Macs alone. If windows continues on its current catastrophic path (win8) and apple stops producing Macs as we know them today, it will be time to move on to linux. Ubuntu's golden years could be ahead.

GimmeSlack12
Jul 19, 2012, 12:25 AM
What is the deal with mountain lion ? It looks like it adds a couple apps and no UI changes . Is there anything new under the hood of the os or is it just basically like a software update ? I am not bashing mountain lion but I am just curious why some many people are excited about such little change . Dont get me wrong I love apple lol it just seems they are pushing us mac users to the side and focusing on IOS mainly anymore . We are the ones who believed and supported in apple all of these years the good times and bad times .

Well, it's only $20 so not sure what you really expect. I'd have to say that they're making OS X cheaper and cheaper so it's easier to for Mac users to have the most up to date version of iTunes. Kind of like a "free to play" sort of approach to software.

Regardless, I've got my work flow down. New features be damned, it doesn't affect me much either way.