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MacRumors
Jul 18, 2012, 08:42 AM
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Following Verizon's move to shared data plans (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/verizon-introduces-share-everything-service-plan-for-up-to-ten-devices/) last month, AT&T announced its own shift (http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=23084&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=34855&mapcode=consumer|financial) scheduled for late August. The new system offers a similar setup to Verizon's, with all plans including unlimited talk and text and monthly service pricing being based simply on the total data allotment and number and type of devices being used.With AT&T Mobile Share plans, customers start by choosing how much data they want each month, then choose up to 10 devices to attach to their shared plan, one of which must be a smartphone. Each plan includes tethering and unlimited domestic calls and texts for smartphones and basic or quick messaging phones. The larger the data bucket you choose, the less you pay per gigabyte and the less you pay for each smartphone added to the shared planhttp://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/att_shared_plans.jpg


One wrinkle for AT&T's plans is a decreasing monthly smartphone device access cost as customers step up to higher data plans. While Verizon charges a flat $40 per month per smartphone, AT&T's starts at $45 for customers using just 1 GB of data but decreases to as low as $30 for accounts with 10 GB of data or more per month. Access costs for other devices are the same between AT&T and Verizon, with feature phones requiring a flat fee of $30 per month, laptop connections $20, and tablets $10.

AT&T undercuts Verizon at the simplest level with a single smartphone on a 1 GB data plan costing $85 per month ($40 data + $45 device), compared to $90 on Verizon ($50 data + $40 device), but adding additional smartphones to that 1 GB plan is more expensive on AT&T ($45 versus $40). Verizon's and AT&T's pricing are identical at the 4 GB level, while AT&T again takes the lead on higher-level plans with more data and devices. As an example, an account with four smartphones sharing 10 GB of data would cost $240 per month on AT&T ($120 data + 4 x $30 devices) versus $260 on Verizon ($100 data + 4 x $40 devices).

AT&T is launching its new plans as of "late August", and current customers will not be required to switch to shared data, although they may do so without extending the length of their contracts. New customers will have the option of selecting from the new shared data plans or the carrier's existing individual or family plans.

Article Link: AT&T to Begin Offering Shared Data Plans in Late August (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/18/att-to-begin-offering-shared-data-plans-in-late-august/)



miniroll32
Jul 18, 2012, 08:43 AM
Cool, I guess.

jayhawk11
Jul 18, 2012, 08:44 AM
So if you're on the 450 Minutes plan, with unlimited text and 3GB of data, your bill just went up $20/month.

Awesome.

Can someone please make a prepaid that doesn't suck?

Yelmurc
Jul 18, 2012, 08:47 AM
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

alm99
Jul 18, 2012, 08:48 AM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

ohio.emt
Jul 18, 2012, 08:49 AM
So I can pay $25 more a month and have less data. Right now I pay $90 for an iphone with unlimited data 1000txt, and a basic phone. I'd pay $40+$45+30 = $105. What a deal.

robjulo
Jul 18, 2012, 08:49 AM
What about the hot spot, will it be included and, if so, at what data level?

AlfaLavala
Jul 18, 2012, 08:50 AM
I like the carriers responding to customer demands but am I the only one who'd assume there'd be a saving to be made...?

maconservative
Jul 18, 2012, 08:50 AM
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

Chromebooks?

UnseenLlama
Jul 18, 2012, 08:50 AM
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

You are able to purchase USB aircards for cellular use.

ohio.emt
Jul 18, 2012, 08:50 AM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

It would be $70+40+40 = $150

tasset
Jul 18, 2012, 08:52 AM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

Incorrect. You would be paying $70 + $40 + $40 = total of $150. Didja really think AT&T would allow you to save money?
This is price signaling/collusion at its finest folks. Welcome to corporate America.

lord patton
Jul 18, 2012, 08:52 AM
Back of the envelope calculation for my family, which has two iPhones and an iPad, suggest the monthly bill will be about the same, but with a lot more data (and flexibility).

Pretty much what I expected. Not awesome, but significantly better.

maconservative
Jul 18, 2012, 08:52 AM
This might be why ATT declined to comment on the rumor of charging for FaceTime over cellular.

My .02.

etaylor3971
Jul 18, 2012, 08:52 AM
I didn't see anything about the cost (if there is one) to tether my smartphone (ie. use my iPhone as a hotspot for my laptop, iPad, etc).

Anyone?

dlewis23
Jul 18, 2012, 08:53 AM
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

With these plans it kinda kills the market for Laptops with Cell data built in or those laptop connect cards or even 3G/4G Tablets because now that tethering is included with your pool of data you can tether the requried smart phone to a laptop or tablet.

lca355
Jul 18, 2012, 08:53 AM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

it's $45 per device so it would be $70 for the 4gb, plus $45 plus $45 equal $160 :(
Tethering is included across all levels for mobile share that's what it says in the press release.

tbrinkma
Jul 18, 2012, 08:54 AM
So if you're on the 450 Minutes plan, with unlimited text and 3GB of data, your bill just went up $20/month.

Awesome.

No, it didn't. If you're on the 450 minute plan with unlimited text and 3GB of data, you're *still* on the 450 minute plan with unlimited text and 3GB of data at exactly the same price.

These are additional options, they're not replacing the existing plans.

AidenShaw
Jul 18, 2012, 08:54 AM
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

Look at any business laptop - the Latitudes, ThinkPads, EliteBooks all have 3G/4G options. It's been a common offering since about 2006.

Latitude
Mobile Broadband

Mobile broadband allows you the freedom to stay connected almost anywhere you go. Simply select a mobile broadband card for your laptop and activate service with your preferred carrier. Upon receipt of your system, simply call Dell's wireless activation center at 1-800-228-6303 to activate your service. GPS functionality does not require carrier activation.

Select options below

None
Dell Wireless™ DW5550 HSPA+ Mini Card - AT&T [add $125.00]
Dell Wireless™ DW5630 Multi-mode HSPA-EVDO Mini Card (Gobi™ 3000) - AT&T [add $125.00]
Dell Wireless™ DW5630 Multi-mode HSPA-EVDO Mini Card (Gobi™ 3000) - Sprint [add $125.00]
Dell Wireless™ DW5630 Multi-mode HSPA-EVDO Mini Card (Gobi™ 3000) - Verizon [add $125.00]

ThinkPad

Integrated mobile broadband

[add $125.00] Qualcomm Gobi 3000
[add $250.00]Integrated Mobile Broadband (Sierra Wireless MC7700 - Gobi 4000 for AT&T LTE and HSPA+)
[add $250.00]Integrated Mobile Broadband (Sierra Wireless MC7750 - Gobi 4000 for Verizon LTE and EV-DO)

tbrinkma
Jul 18, 2012, 08:56 AM
So I can pay $25 more a month and have less data. Right now I pay $90 for an iphone with unlimited data 1000txt, and a basic phone. I'd pay $40+$45+30 = $105. What a deal.

So keep your existing plan. (Also, $105-$90 is a $15 difference, not $25. :D )

iSee
Jul 18, 2012, 08:56 AM
Why do I have the feeling my bill is about to get jacked up?

ComputersaysNo
Jul 18, 2012, 08:56 AM
$10 for a tablet or gamingdevice

...or over the air updates (trafficjams etc) for your new to come 7.85" navigationdevice... :eek:

alent1234
Jul 18, 2012, 08:57 AM
www.straighttalk.com

$40-$45 a month

or go virgin for as low as $30 a month

i'm on wifi 90% of the time so i would go to Virgin's crappy network just to save some cash.

i'm at the point where i'm even going to keep my iphone for 3 years or maybe longer. there is still lots of software that says ios 3 or 4 required so it's not like you need the latest all the time. Siri is crap and i have it turned off. don't play a lot of games.

Apple and Samsung need to share the blame too for their ridiculous prices. $649 for a phone that's costs less than $200 to make including parts. lets see how the stock price holds up when people go prepaid and keep their phones for more than 2 years. or just buy cheaper phones

not like you need quad core to run evernote or facebook and listen to spotify

nick_elt
Jul 18, 2012, 08:57 AM
HOW MUCH? ha u guys are getting screwed from both ends! Such a big market yet everything seems so expensive. Wheres the competition?

dokujaryu
Jul 18, 2012, 08:58 AM
My plan would be two smartphones and one iPad on about 6 gigs of data.

Current plan: (family share 700 two phones both with unlimited data (3gb))
First phone and Minutes: $70
First phone data plan: $30
Second Phone: $10
Second Phone Data Plan: $30
Unlimited Texting: $20
2GB iPad data plan: $30
--------------------------------------
Total: $190

The stupid part is I barely use 1GB on my phones and burn it up on the iPad.

Verizon Shared:
$80 + $40 + $40 + $10 = $170

AT&T Shared:
$90 + $35 + $35 + $10 = $170


This way I would have about 4GB for the iPad and the total cost would be about $20 less.

lou2ser
Jul 18, 2012, 08:58 AM
The real value seems to be in having a bunch of devices. My breakdowns:

Our current bill (4 iPhones, 1 dumbphone) is $230. Split 5 ways is $45 a person. The 4 iPhones use roughly 6GB a month, split between one unlimited plan and three 2GB plans. Say I want to add an iPad to the mix, it would be $30 for 3GB bringing my monthly total to $270, split 5 ways is $54.

If we add a four more, low bandwidth users it breaks down to:
10GB: $120
User 1: $30
User 2: $30
User 3: $30
User 4: $30
User 5: $30
User 6: $30
User 7: $30
User 8: $30
User 9: $30
iPad: $10
Total: $400
minus discount (24%): $96
Grand total: $304
Divided 10 ways: $30.40 + a few bucks in taxes

EDIT: The above information is probably invalid. The discount will probably only apply to the data plan portion of the bill. New breakdown as follows:

10GB: $120
User 1: $30
User 2: $30
User 3: $30
User 4: $30
User 5: $30
User 6: $30
User 7: $30
User 8: $30
User 9: $30
iPad: $10
Total: $400
minus discount (24%): $30
Grand total: $370
Divided 10 ways: $37 + a few bucks in taxes

It's not as cheap as I thought, but I'll still be saving ~$5 a month. The real savers will be extended family members who are currently on their own plans paying ~$70 a month without a data plan. They'll save $25 a month and gain access to the data pool.

nws0291
Jul 18, 2012, 08:59 AM
With these plans it kinda kills the market for Laptops with Cell data built in or those laptop connect cards or even 3G/4G Tablets because now that tethering is included with your pool of data you can tether the requried smart phone to a laptop or tablet.

Not completely. Not everyone can use their phone to tether all the time. Many who use it heavily on the go will kill their phone battery quickly. An independant usb device etc connected to a laptop running off the laptop's battery is much better.

ohio.emt
Jul 18, 2012, 09:00 AM
So keep your existing plan. (Also, $105-$90 is a $15 difference, not $25. :D ) I know I was just hoping I could get a better deal only really use around 4GB. Doh, I had $20 at first and when I went to change it I only changed the 0 to a 5 talk about a :Facepalm:

charlieegan3
Jul 18, 2012, 09:00 AM
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

Some netbooks do. Don't know of any laptops though.

CZSZSZ
Jul 18, 2012, 09:00 AM
In Austria mobile data USB stick 24 months contract costs
1GB = 5 eur = 6.2$
6GB = 10eur = 12.4$
15gb = 15 eur = 18.6$

The sim card is a micro sim, and data tethering included.

[source in german]
http://www.orange.at/Content.Node/tarife/mobiles-internet-tarife/

sfwalter
Jul 18, 2012, 09:00 AM
I didn't see anything about the cost (if there is one) to tether my smartphone (ie. use my iPhone as a hotspot for my laptop, iPad, etc).

Anyone?

I believe tethering is included: Each plan includes tethering and unlimited domestic calls and texts for smartphones and basic or quick messaging phones

Psylancer
Jul 18, 2012, 09:01 AM
Under this plan by bill will go up from 180 to 250 with this plan. Time to get serious about researching competition

Corrode
Jul 18, 2012, 09:03 AM
You'd think with the huge adoption of smart phones and the increased revenue from the already ridiculous data prices, they might lower their prices?? Like when high speed Internet was unaffordable but now has come way down in price.

I hate telecommunications companies.

William7
Jul 18, 2012, 09:04 AM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

No you cant. it is $70 just for the text, data and minutes. then EACH iphone is 40$ a month so 2 iphones is $80, 70+80=150. Sorry

alm99
Jul 18, 2012, 09:04 AM
It would be $70+40+40 = $150

Ah, now it makes sense.....way to go AT&T....:mad:

ImageWrangler
Jul 18, 2012, 09:04 AM
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

I know most people wouldn't consider it a laptop but for my job often I can forgo my MBP and simply use an iPad. I HATE typing on glass though, probably because I'm old and a touch typist hence I have a Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard and cover. After learning it's okay to learn new things regarding the experience of an iPad not only isn't that of being on a computer and that's not a bad thing at all and being open to change, I can get a lot done on my iPad and not be lugging a MBP around and nobody notices, knows, cares, and I still get my job done and make money, sooo, yeah, point being "what laptop" an iPad, that's what.

This all said and a bit more on point, I have unlimited data for my iPhone, and will do my best to never, ever, part with it, and I share that with my iPad jailbroken. I'm paying for these 1s and 0s and it's total BS and robbery these big corporations charge people extra, usually a lot extra, for something they're already paying for.

edonohoo
Jul 18, 2012, 09:05 AM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

No, its $40 per smartphone at that tier. 40 + 40 + 70 = 150

bhuwan
Jul 18, 2012, 09:06 AM
at&T = *******s

ohio.emt
Jul 18, 2012, 09:06 AM
For me it wouldn't be so bad if the basic phone price wasn't $30. I have my parents phone on my account right now it was only $10 to add it, but if I wanted to switch to shared data it would cost more. I think this is a good deal if you talk or text alot, but not if you don't. I only use maybe 50 talk minutes an month and about 100 text.

jent
Jul 18, 2012, 09:07 AM
This is so disappointing.

bender0069
Jul 18, 2012, 09:07 AM
This plan will actually save up money. I can't wait. We have unlimited talk, text and data on 2 iphones. That's about $210 a month and generally we just go over 1 to 1.5 GB, getting the 4GB plane will save us $60 a month. :cool:

zin
Jul 18, 2012, 09:08 AM
Holy hell, I've said it before but I'll say it again; prices for cellular service in the US are really high, at least on AT&T and Verizon.

Here in the UK, I can get 250 minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited data (with no throttling) for £10 per month, which is $15.60.

:eek:

ian.
Jul 18, 2012, 09:08 AM
So, no answer on the Hotspot? Is it free or will it cost? Just curious.

I'm moving over to Verizon anyway, cuz AT&T still hasn't fixed their signal issues.

mysticbluebmw
Jul 18, 2012, 09:08 AM
Incorrect. You would be paying $70 + $40 + $40 = total of $150. Didja really think AT&T would allow you to save money?
This is price signaling/collusion at its finest folks. Welcome to corporate America.

Good grief. Hate much? $5 more to go from 700 minutes to UNLIMITED and you think that's collusion, lol?

PeterQVenkman
Jul 18, 2012, 09:09 AM
I'm finally on straight talk. $45 a month. Used an AT&T iPhone 4s with the t-mobile sim swap to fix MMS without jailbreaking.

Love it to death.

jclardy
Jul 18, 2012, 09:09 AM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

Nope, $40 for each smartphone, so $150. Otherwise they would be selling g me my single iPhone plan for $40, which is never going to happen.

These plans are just here to create more confusion and make people think they are saving money by giving them unlimited things that most people don't need.

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 09:10 AM
At least people seem to be a bit calmer in looking at this plan from AT&T versus when Verizon announced the shared plan. They are virtually identical, with a few twists that makes one carrier slightly more competitive in certain situations versus the other.

But AT&T's announcement was totally predictable via the Verizon changes. People who felt AT&T wouldn't ever, ever go down this route can now see that the two big carriers are virtually price fixing.

This plan will actually save up money. I can't wait. We have unlimited talk, text and data on 2 iphones. That's about $210 a month and generally we just go over 1 to 1.5 GB, getting the 4GB plane will save us $60 a month. :cool:

Just like with the Verizon plans, these new shared data models benefit those customers that were already paying for unlimited minutes and texting. If you were primarily just using your phone for data purposes, the new model penalizes you by forcing a pay-per-drink plan for data consumption but giving you unlimited voice/text for a good price.

All you have to do is look at the unlimited voice/text business in the prepaid world to see where AT&T and Verizon are trying to gain market share. They want to get data hogs to pay more and they want to offer voice/texting at prepaid slash/discount rates.

duxy
Jul 18, 2012, 09:10 AM
So - could I keep my current plan and just add an iPad for $10 more a month? I would like this...

RedCroissant
Jul 18, 2012, 09:10 AM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

Nope, You'd actually end up paying a little bit more.

1)4GB plan -$70
2)1st iPhone -$40
3)2nd iPhone -$40
TOTAL =$150(+taxes and fees of course)

I wish I had looked to see how many people responded to this before I posted....

mysticbluebmw
Jul 18, 2012, 09:10 AM
Holy hell, I've said it before but I'll say it again; prices for cellular service in the US are really high, at least on AT&T and Verizon.

Here in the UK, I can get 250 minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited data (with no throttling) for £10 per month, which is $15.60.

:eek:
Yes, but remind me, how much for 4 litres of petrol?:D

edonohoo
Jul 18, 2012, 09:11 AM
I wonder how the service discounts will play in here. I know right now you don't get discounts on the messaging, just the actual minute plan and data plans (22%). I doubt the 22% discount will still apply to the whole bill, maybe just the plan you choose, or the devices added, but surely not both. Will have to wait and see

Funkymonk
Jul 18, 2012, 09:11 AM
This is just bs. I was planning on going to att for a 3 phone family plan. So that would cost me $70 for 4gb of data for all 3 phones which is garbage plus $120 for all three phones? So $210 plus fees and taxes would be what like $240ish?

Lucent336
Jul 18, 2012, 09:12 AM
Ah, now it makes sense.....way to go AT&T....:mad:

The nice thing is though, for $5/mo more, you'll be able to nearly double your data.

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 09:12 AM
Something no one seems to be talking about is now ATT is your only option (besides Sprint) if you need 15 or 20GB.

So at first they complain they can't support all these heavy usage users, but as it turns out they can... just so long as you pay out the a$$ for it.

BJMRamage
Jul 18, 2012, 09:12 AM
so $10 more per month for about the same service...
I'd go to unlimited voice (big whoop as I roll over 6,000+ minutes a month)
I'd get unlimited texting (big whoop as I iMessage mostly and 4-5 txts a month so pay for them as i get them)
and tethering to use WiFi iPad on the go, I suppose.

BUT, what is odd is that with Verizon and ATT, they should include one phone for the starting price. be it smartphone, regular phone, whatever but include on device from the start. then add phones/gadgets as you need them. if it was $85 for service and one device they'd be losing some on smartphones but gaining on tablets/dumb phones. And they could even say it goes toward the cheapest device on the plan so as to fully get all the more expensive gadgets on the additional pricing.

jman240
Jul 18, 2012, 09:13 AM
Don't forget these plans don't include taxes and fees.... Those get added after. Add a ballpark $20-40 to the plans to get the out the door costs.

Looks like I'm switching to straight talk sooner rather than later. I can easily come out ahead buying a new iPhone for full price every 2 years that way.

AidenShaw
Jul 18, 2012, 09:13 AM
Originally Posted by Yelmurc
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

Some netbooks do. Don't know of any laptops though.

Look above at http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15273292&postcount=19 ...

tasset
Jul 18, 2012, 09:14 AM
The real value seems to be in having a bunch of devices. My breakdowns:

Our current bill (4 iPhones, 1 dumbphone) is $230. Split 5 ways is $45 a person. The 4 iPhones use roughly 6GB a month, split between one unlimited plan and three 2GB plans. Say I want to add an iPad to the mix, it would be $30 for 3GB bringing my monthly total to $270, split 5 ways is $54.

If we add a four more, low bandwidth users it breaks down to:
10GB: $120
User 1: $30
User 2: $30
User 3: $30
User 4: $30
User 5: $30
User 6: $30
User 7: $30
User 8: $30
User 9: $30
iPad: $10
Total: $400
minus discount (24%): $96
Grand total: $304
Divided 10 ways: $30.40 + a few bucks in taxes

That's EXACTLY correct, and more insidious. Having so many devices means are ingrained deeper into AT&T and less likely to switch. Because with so many devices the odds are there are several people sharing that plan. Which seems great. Until one person wants to leave, it makes it financially more painful for everyone left behind. And if a device is replaced mid-contract then keeping everyone on the same contract end date is increasingly less possible, and thus less likely to break away.

lou2ser
Jul 18, 2012, 09:14 AM
I wonder how the service discounts will play in here. I know right now you don't get discounts on the messaging, just the actual minute plan and data plans (22%). I doubt the 22% discount will still apply to the whole bill, maybe just the plan you choose, or the devices added, but surely not both. Will have to wait and see

I'm in the same boat. If the service discount applies to the entire bill then these changes will save my family a TON of money.

I also wonder if we'd have to pay ETF to close another account and move the phone to this account. For example, close my mother-in-law's AT&T account and move her line to my account under the new plan.

Tronic
Jul 18, 2012, 09:15 AM
Anyone know yet if FAN discounts will be applied to the entire bill? Right now, my discount only applies to voice/text. Not sure if that's across the board. If that's changing then I stand to save about $40 per month.

Bubba Satori
Jul 18, 2012, 09:16 AM
Good thing all your content is in the cloud and keeping your money
flowing through the carriers mafiosa tollbooth every time you want to access it.
No wonder they wanted to take an early profit beating on
the subsidized phone racket when it first started. Brilliant.

AustinIllini
Jul 18, 2012, 09:16 AM
I'm in the same boat. If the service discount applies to the entire bill then these changes will save my family a TON of money.

Considering the AT&T and Verizon duopoly, whatever Verizon does, AT&T will do. Unbelievable.

NoExpectations
Jul 18, 2012, 09:16 AM
At least AT&T is offering this as an option....I like choices.

Verizon is forcing this onto their customers.

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 09:16 AM
So - could I keep my current plan and just add an iPad for $10 more a month? I would like this...

Nope. Gotta switch to shared, else pay for the iPad separately (what's that, something like $25/2GB?).

tasset
Jul 18, 2012, 09:17 AM
Good grief. Hate much? $5 more to go from 700 minutes to UNLIMITED and you think that's collusion, lol?

Collusion and price signaling. Mere weeks after Verizon drops their strategy, AT&T does the same with very fine differences? Don't pretend as if this caught AT&T with their pants down. This is an effort by AT&T and Verizon to recognize their voice minute billing cash cow is now dry and keep people from dropping to lower minute tiers, or use iMessage/Google Voice.

jayhawk11
Jul 18, 2012, 09:18 AM
I'm in the same boat. If the service discount applies to the entire bill then these changes will save my family a TON of money.

I also wonder if we'd have to pay ETF to close another account and move the phone to this account. For example, close my mother-in-law's AT&T account and move her line to my account under the new plan.

Transferring billing responsibility has no effect on contract status.

roland.g
Jul 18, 2012, 09:18 AM
That's great news. Well actually I don't really care. Costs would be about the same as I pay now.

1. Already grandfathered to unlimited data.

2. About time you got tethering.

3. You stance on FaceTime is still ridiculous. If it is data, why consider a surcharge.

4. If you don't get LTE deployed in more major cities, and stop calling your network 4G when it isn't, I'll hold off till next May when my wife's iP4 is 2 yrs old and we are out of contract and go to Verizon or Sprint. Probably less dropped calls.

zweigand
Jul 18, 2012, 09:19 AM
$30/mo. more for the same data I am paying for now?

AT&T can go suck on a skidmark...

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 09:19 AM
Something no one seems to be talking about is now ATT is your only option (besides Sprint) if you need 15 or 20GB.

Actually, not true. Verizon's shared data plans go up to 20 gbs as well, presumably further if you want. The offer to extend beyond 10GB is buried on their website and they will automatically offer it to you if you have a large multi-phone accounts or big data consumption already. When I switched, I was given the option to go as high as 18 gbs and its discounted versus just paying the $15/extra gb overage charge. Their website says you can add 2GB of data for $10/month with Share Everything which means 10GB=$100/month, 12GB=$110/month. I was offered 18GB for $140/month.

**EDIT** Found the numbers on Verizon's site:

12GB/$110, 14GB/$120, 16GB/$130, 18GB/$140, 20GB/$150.

That means that Verizon, on purely data charges, is $50/cheaper per month than AT&T at the highest published tier (20GB). The price per handset discount likely nullifies this for large multi-line accounts, however.

lou2ser
Jul 18, 2012, 09:20 AM
That's EXACTLY correct, and more insidious. Having so many devices means are ingrained deeper into AT&T and less likely to switch. Because with so many devices the odds are there are several people sharing that plan. Which seems great. Until one person wants to leave, it makes it financially more painful for everyone left behind. And if a device is replaced mid-contract then keeping everyone on the same contract end date is increasingly less possible, and thus less likely to break away.

True, but when you're bill is only $30ish a month for unlimited talk, text, and (seemingly) unlimited data who wants to leave? We've been on our current plan for 3 years and honestly, I have no idea when our contract expires. I keep track of when phone's are eligible for discounted upgrades but we're not leaving AT&T. It's my experience that everyone hates their ISP and cell phone company. They all suck, you just have to pick the one that sucks the less for you.

wkadamsjr
Jul 18, 2012, 09:20 AM
Each plan includes tethering and unlimited domestic calls and texts for smartphones and basic or quick messaging phones.

Learn to read, people.

bbeagle
Jul 18, 2012, 09:21 AM
The minimum plan seems to have gone up.

My plan is the MINIMUM for 2 smart phones:
My family plan is now $60 (700 minute plan) + $10 (phone 2) + $15 (250mb data phone 1) + $15 (250mb data phone 2) = $100 + taxes

New plan (with 1gb minimum - twice the data of my current plan):
$40 + $45 + $45 = $130 + taxes

$30 more! :eek:

I do get unlimited phone calls, and unlimited texts (which I already have with iPhone to iPhone anyways).... but looks like my bill would go up $30.

lou2ser
Jul 18, 2012, 09:21 AM
Transferring billing responsibility has no effect on contract status.

So my brother can close his account and my mother-in-law can close her account? Then they can both move to my new shared plan? With no additional fees?

This keeps getting better and better. These changes will probably shave $200 a month off my extended family's bills. :-D

GizmoDVD
Jul 18, 2012, 09:22 AM
Trying to figure if this would save me any money or not.

Currently on the 700 minute plan
iPhone UNLIMITED Data
iPhone 200MB
iPhone 200mb
iPhone 200MB
"Dumbphone" (may be an iPhone in a few weeks).

Don't really care about my Unlimited plan since I barely eek over 2GB a month anyway (currently at 54MB!). My previous bill was about $210. It would be nice to add my iPad to this as well (though it's WiFi only...so no hotspot?)

iamkarlp
Jul 18, 2012, 09:23 AM
Eh, The pricing is what I expected.

For some it will be a marginal decrease, for others it would be a marginal increase.

Basically, their customers who were paying the most (Unlimited voice/text with higher tier GB plans and tethering) stand to save a fair amount. Particularly if they are only single device, or device + tablet.

Their customers who are paying the least, low minute plan, low/no texting, and unlimited or lower tier GB without tethering; will need to stay where they are, or pay more. Now you will be getting more if you paid more, but if don't need it, stay where you are.

Their customers who have a few (less than 3) lines, probably continue to make sense on the old plans unless you have a lot of high-end features on said lines.

Their customers who have a lot (more than 5) lines will probably do quite well on this plan assuming everyone needs data.


At the end of the day it's not like its a big discount or anything, but it does what it was supposed to do: Many more people now feel like it's going to be possible to spring the 10$ for the tablet, or 20$ for the computer and use their "pool" of data.

It's also good to see tethering thrown in.

My guess is FaceTime over the air will be thrown in with this package, not available on unlimited, and either not available, free, or charged for on the per GB individual packages purely based on how they think people will react to the news about the unlimited plan.

AKA: Per GB users may be deemed as acceptable collateral damage in order to smooth over the unlimited people.

There is a good chance that whatever the plans were, they are being reformulated right now due to the chatter.

Karl P

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 09:24 AM
I'm praying the next iPhone will have WiMAX. A "cellular" network with the towers being the phones themselves-- how cool is that???

(Unfortunately, it's so cool it won't happen :rolleyes:)

Razeus
Jul 18, 2012, 09:26 AM
Why does having a basic phone, which only requires text and voice minutes, cost $30 a month????????????????????????

These guys are playing games with the pricing.

QCassidy352
Jul 18, 2012, 09:26 AM
The key point about this, buried at the end of the article, is that AT&T, unlike vzn, is not killing its existing plans. That means that for a new user who just wants one iPhone, vzn has priced themselves way above AT&T.

The plans themselves look ok. I'm on a shared plan with 3 iPhones with 2gb each and one iphone that has 4gb with tether. 700 min that we never use (4000+ rollover) and unlimited text. Total cost: $240. Exactly the same as for 4 iPhones with 10 gb data.

The differences would be: would we all get tethering, or would the one person who has it, lose it? And the new plan would make getting a 4g iPad a lot more appealing. At $30 a month it's not worth it for the limited times I need cell data, but at $10/mo I'd do it.

krashx7
Jul 18, 2012, 09:26 AM
So basically if you only have two iphones on your plan your getting screwed.. awesome

troop231
Jul 18, 2012, 09:27 AM
I think I'll pass on these plans.

Currently paying $76 a month for 450 minutes + unlimited text + 2GB of data :)

tasset
Jul 18, 2012, 09:28 AM
True, but when you're bill is only $30ish a month for unlimited talk, text, and (seemingly) unlimited data who wants to leave? We've been on our current plan for 3 years and honestly, I have no idea when our contract expires. I keep track of when phone's are eligible for discounted upgrades but we're not leaving AT&T. It's my experience that everyone hates their ISP and cell phone company. They all suck, you just have to pick the one that sucks the less for you.

Oh, on your calculation. You can bank on your discount only applying to the data bucket of $120. Not each line's access charge. That discount will only be about $30.

NoExpectations
Jul 18, 2012, 09:28 AM
I have 4 iPhones, 4 iPads (4G). This is looking good for me.


Current Plan: Total Cost = $300. Limited minutes, can't share data.

New Plan: Total Cost = $280 (10GB Plan). Unlimited minutes, and I can share data.

cvaldes
Jul 18, 2012, 09:29 AM
I think I'll pass on these plans.

Currently paying $76 a month for 450 minutes + unlimited text + 2GB of data :)
I think I'll pass on these plans.

Currently paying $45 a month for unlimited minutes + unlimited text + 2GB of data :)

NoExpectations
Jul 18, 2012, 09:29 AM
I'm praying the next iPhone will have WiMAX. A "cellular" network with the towers being the phones themselves-- how cool is that???

(Unfortunately, it's so cool it won't happen :rolleyes:)

I doubt it. Sprint is abandoning WIMAX as we speak.

lou2ser
Jul 18, 2012, 09:30 AM
Oh, on your calculation. You can bank on your discount only applying to the data bucket of $120. Not each line's access charge. That discount will only be about $30.

Do you have a source for that? Currently I'm discounted on everything except messaging.

EDIT: My mistake, you're right.

Monthly Charges - Jun 27 thru Jul 26
1. FamilyTalk Nation 1400 with Rollover 9.99
2. AT&T A-LIST 0.00
3. Family Messaging Unlimited with Mobile to 0.00
4. DataPro 2GB for iPhone 25.00
5. National Account Discount 6.00CR
Total Monthly Charges 28.99

But this is still a decent deal. My bill will only drop about $5 a month, but my mother-in-law and brother's bills will drop $30 a month, plus they get data plans.

Josh125
Jul 18, 2012, 09:30 AM
So, no answer on the Hotspot? Is it free or will it cost? Just curious.

I'm moving over to Verizon anyway, cuz AT&T still hasn't fixed their signal issues.

There is no mention of it in their press release. They do discuss that users have access to X number of AT&T hotspots, which of course is not the same as a personal hotspot. It seems they would have stated hotspots were included explicitly like VZ did. I'm going to say that no, they aren't included.

The VZ plan worked well for my family. We saved money and got personal hotspots.

jman240
Jul 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
This makes Sprints plans look awesome. Also Tmobile is now the cheapest for a smart phone owner I think. Here's hoping their networks get updated soon...

For instance. Sprint charges $130 for their family everything data plan with 1500 minutes and includes 2 lines. Each additional phone is $20 and if it's a smart phone it's an additional $10. This includes unlimited data and texting.

So
1st Phone $130 (its the family plan starting price but it includes 2 phones so...) +$10
2nd Phone $140 . +$10 for smart phone data
3rd Phone $150 + $20 + $10 (if its a smart phone = premium data)
4th Phone $180 + $20 + $10
5th Phone $210 + $20 + $10

5 iPhones on sprint with UNLIMITED data, UNLIMITED texting and 1500 minutes = $240. Probably hits $260 out the door with taxes, fees, and other bs. Winner is Sprint here lol, except their network likely sucks for most people....

tigress666
Jul 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
AT&T is launching its new plans as of "late August", and current customers will not be required to switch to shared data, although they may do so without extending the length of their contracts. New customers will have the option of selecting from the new shared data plans or the carrier's existing individual or family plans.


If I were a new customer, the fact I could still go with the existing plans would be a huge plus in AT&T's factor. And I'm very relieved they aren't going to force me on the new plans either (I'm not clear on that with Verizon. Would they grandfather old plans that weren't unlimited and subsidize your phone, or were you forced to go to a new plan if you wanted to get a subsidized phone?).

ScottYelich
Jul 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
Can someone please explain to me why one must pay MONTHLY PER DEVICE to have access to a data stream that you're also paying for MONTHLY?

I could understand a one time registration fee per device, if you wanted to go there... but if I'm paying for, say, 10GB data -- and I have 10 slots where I can put in device IDs (pins? whatever) -- why do I also then have to pay MONTHLY for each of those devices -- what is the burden on the provider of keeping track of a device that seems to warrant this (insane?) cost point?

I have an LTE ipad3 -- no data plan. Why? I have unlimited data on my iphone. What I'd like to do is pay for some data amount and use it either on my ipad3 OR my iphone. But I have to pay basically $40 +/- a month PER DEVICE?

Am I crazy to think it should be something like:

$XXX base ($25? $50?)
$X per GB (where $X is far less than $15!)
20 devices [max] (free? or one time "association" fee?)
[20 devices -- family of 5 each with 2 devices still only means 10 devices]

I think I pay $85 or so a month now for my limited "unlimited" plan -- but only on my iphone. My ipad is data dead (thanks AT&T).

So, now I want to share both devices and use the LTE as a hotspot while doing 6 hrs a week on amtrak (Amtrak connect out of NYC gets 1 to 10KB down usually -- ie: 100% unusable).

$50 base
$30 10GB @ $3 per GB

$80 ...

That's close to what I pay now, both my devices would be usable, it's only 2X the "unlimited" amount (5GB, right?) and I can tether on my ipad3.

Why would this make AT&T go bankrupt? at $4 per GB it's $90 and they actually make $5 (or so) more from me.

Also, I'm interested in what happens when data reaches the limit. Are we back to insane data overage costs? or will data just be blocked unless we pony up more cash to "rectify" our data consumption addiction?

It's funny how with talk minutes, you can get some carry over -- but does this happen with data? If I'm paying for unlimited... ahem, I mean 10GB/mo and I only use < 1GB a month, can I get a bank of +10 (max?) in case I hit an overage? of course not -- there's no profit in that and I'm sure it would lead to the downfall of civilization as we know it.

Scott

Jamesesesesess
Jul 18, 2012, 09:32 AM
I can't believe how greedy US providers are :mad: prices in Europe are dirt cheap.

According to this, we'll be paying ~$10 more a month with our family plan with 3 iPhones. I guess it's not a horrible deal considering we'd be getting unlimited minutes, but we rarely make calls anyway, that's why we have 450 minutes/month :rolleyes:

tigress666
Jul 18, 2012, 09:32 AM
So basically if you only have two iphones on your plan your getting screwed.. awesome

No, unlike Verizon you just keep your old plan :). Even if you are a new customer you can pay the "old" way if you wish cause they plan on still offering the other type plans.

I agree, these family plans (Both AT&T and Verizon's) are a rip off for two phones.

nick_elt
Jul 18, 2012, 09:33 AM
Yes, but remind me, how much for 4 litres of petrol?:D

How many american soldiers died so you can get ur cheap petrol?

dugbee
Jul 18, 2012, 09:33 AM
I wish I could reduce my voice minutes. The 450 is a waste for me. Odds are if it's not iMessage or email, I'm not interested in talking unless it's in person. Just give me the data!

QCassidy352
Jul 18, 2012, 09:33 AM
This makes Sprints plans look awesome. Also Tmobile is now the cheapest for a smart phone owner I think. Here's hoping their networks get updated soon...

But sprint's coverage is terrible, and their iPhone speeds are criminal. I'd rather get gouged for service that works than get a good deal on service that doesn't.

Lord Bodak
Jul 18, 2012, 09:36 AM
How the FAN discount applies to these plans will be one of the keys for me. Wonder how/when we'll find out abou that.

jayducharme
Jul 18, 2012, 09:36 AM
People who felt AT&T wouldn't ever, ever go down this route can now see that the two big carriers are virtually price fixing.

I tend to agreed. But I too am going to have to research these prices more. On the surface, it looks like I could make out okay, though I'd have to relinquish my grandfathered unlimited data plan. We have the Family Plan, costing about $155 a month. But my wife and I rarely use over 250mb a month anyway. So if we switched to the 1 gb plan, we could conceivably shave quite a bit off our bill.

Razeus
Jul 18, 2012, 09:36 AM
A clever way to jack up prices.

I currently pay $155 for 2 iPhones and 1 basic phone, $180 after taxes and fees.
I have unlimited data on my iPhone, 2GB data on the other iPhone, unlimited texting and 450 minute plan, which I barely use and have accumulated thousands of rollover minutes - plus 9 out of 10 people I know use AT&T so my calls are free anyway.

With these new "scheme", I'd opt for 4GB, but that would cost me:
$70 (service) + $40 (iPhone 1) + $40 (iPhone 2) + $30 (basic phone fee) = $180, BEFORE the taxes and fees which would bump me up to ~$200.

For the $30 basic phone fee, I might as well get another smartphone for an extra $10! Then I have to wonder if 4GB of data is enough for the 3 of us and probably would have to bump to 6GB of data for an extra $5.

Clever way to force people into high prices, while still getting the service from a company that continues to tell me how I use the data I pay for. They BETTER not charge for Facetime over cellular, that's for damn sure.

zin
Jul 18, 2012, 09:36 AM
Yes, but remind me, how much for 4 litres of petrol?:D

You got me on that one. :p

FSUSem1noles
Jul 18, 2012, 09:37 AM
So my brother can close his account and my mother-in-law can close her account? Then they can both move to my new shared plan? With no additional fees?

This keeps getting better and better. These changes will probably shave $200 a month off my extended family's bills. :-D

Depending on the data plan you're sharing, you're going to be paying between $30-45 dollars per phone + taxes.. ATT isn't going to let you move 2 phones to a shared plan and not impose any monthly charges on it...

AppleDroid
Jul 18, 2012, 09:38 AM
Ah but what I haven't seen yet is how AT&T will handle discounts moving forward. Verizon is making more money off the same people because they now have their smartphone fee as a service charge which are exempt from discounts. AT&T looks to be doing the same thing so for the exact same plan we have now (1400/3B x2 phones) we will pay close to $24 more a month if that's true.

The real value seems to be in having a bunch of devices. My breakdowns:

Our current bill (4 iPhones, 1 dumbphone) is $230. Split 5 ways is $45 a person. The 4 iPhones use roughly 6GB a month, split between one unlimited plan and three 2GB plans. Say I want to add an iPad to the mix, it would be $30 for 3GB bringing my monthly total to $270, split 5 ways is $54.

If we add a four more, low bandwidth users it breaks down to:
10GB: $120
User 1: $30
User 2: $30
User 3: $30
User 4: $30
User 5: $30
User 6: $30
User 7: $30
User 8: $30
User 9: $30
iPad: $10
Total: $400
minus discount (24%): $96
Grand total: $304
Divided 10 ways: $30.40 + a few bucks in taxes

----------



For the $30 basic phone fee, I might as well get another smartphone for an extra $10! Then I have to wonder if 4GB of data is enough for the 3 of us and probably would have to bump to 6GB of data for an extra $5.

Clever way to force people into high prices, while still getting the service from a company that continues to tell me how I use the data I pay for. They BETTER not charge for Facetime over cellular, that's for damn sure.

Yep that's exactly what they want. Eat up that data NOMNOM!

techiegirl
Jul 18, 2012, 09:38 AM
How the FAN discount applies to these plans will be one of the keys for me. Wonder how/when we'll find out abou that.

Same here.

tigress666
Jul 18, 2012, 09:39 AM
People, read the last paragraph.

AT&T isn't forcing anyone on these new plans. Even new customers can still pay on the old plans. So they're not raising prices on you, they are giving you more options and ways to find a better plan for your needs. This is a *GOOD* thing. Unlike Verizon that is forcing everyone on their new plans and for many people the new shared plans are a ripoff (like me)

itcomesinwaves
Jul 18, 2012, 09:39 AM
I guess people were getting a little too close to understanding their cell phone bill. Thankfully AT&T and Verizon have come through with a new way to confuse your parents.

sawah
Jul 18, 2012, 09:40 AM
Well this definitely doesn't save me any money unless 5 of us, 4 with smartphones, are going to share a gig of data. It comes out to 10$ more a month to share 4 gigs.

Frobozz
Jul 18, 2012, 09:41 AM
So here's the breakdown for me. I'd need two iPhones and an iPad:

(CPG = cost per gigabyte)

1Gb for $140. CPG = $140
... Roughly the same I pay to have 250 mb on each device today, so I get another 250 mb to share for "free")

But here's where the math is clearly designed to get you buying more data:

4GB for $160. CPG = $40
6GB for $170. CPG = $28.33
10GB for $190. CPG = $19
15GB for $230. CPG = $15
20GB for $270. CPG = $13.50

So my layman's analysis is that for people who don't use a lot of 3G, stick to the lowest shared plan (1GB) and if you go over, you're saving a TON of money by just paying $15 here or there for an extra gigabyte over a guaranteed extra $20 every month.

For folks that want some data and know they will peak above 2GB every month, an upgrade to the 4GB or 6GB plan would be the best value.

Amazing Iceman
Jul 18, 2012, 09:41 AM
I think I'll pass on these plans.

Currently paying $45 a month for unlimited minutes + unlimited text + 2GB of data :)

T-Mobile? :D

Everyone keep in mind there are fees and taxes that will be added on top of the prices you calculated.

nick_elt
Jul 18, 2012, 09:41 AM
Holy hell, I've said it before but I'll say it again; prices for cellular service in the US are really high, at least on AT&T and Verizon.

Here in the UK, I can get 250 minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited data (with no throttling) for £10 per month, which is $15.60.

:eek:
Not only that, u can get free gifts from certain websites when you sign each contract, when I was living in the uk i got 2 free ps3s and a free ipod touch, the gifts are even better now i see

five04
Jul 18, 2012, 09:42 AM
Do you have a source for that? Currently I'm discounted on everything except messaging.

EDIT: My mistake, you're right.

Monthly Charges - Jun 27 thru Jul 26
1. FamilyTalk Nation 1400 with Rollover 9.99
2. AT&T A-LIST 0.00
3. Family Messaging Unlimited with Mobile to 0.00
4. DataPro 2GB for iPhone 25.00
5. National Account Discount 6.00CR
Total Monthly Charges 28.99

But this is still a decent deal. My bill will only drop about $5 a month, but my mother-in-law and brother's bills will drop $30 a month, plus they get data plans.

With AT&T, you get a discount on the data plan if your data plan is more than $30 a month. I currently get a 28% discount so when I signed up last fall I chose the enterprise 4GB+tethering option for $45. With my discount it brings it down to around $28 which is only $3 more than I would've paid for the 2GB plan.

I'm not sure what will happen with this new structure in regards to discounts, though.

lou2ser
Jul 18, 2012, 09:42 AM
Depending on the data plan you're sharing, you're going to be paying between $30-45 dollars per phone + taxes.. ATT isn't going to let you move 2 phones to a shared plan and not impose any monthly charges on it...

I understand, but $30/month + their share of the data pool ($12) is a lot less than the $70 a month they pay now.

srazz
Jul 18, 2012, 09:42 AM
I'm not sure what to make of this. I've been with AT&T for many years and I'm grandfathered in the unlimited data plan. Problem is that you can't make a single damn change otherwise I lose that and I'm with their current plans. It really sucks because I can't take advantage of some of the features unless I make the change.

Curious to see how this all shakes out. Maybe its time to leave AT&T.

jman240
Jul 18, 2012, 09:43 AM
But sprint's coverage is terrible, and their iPhone speeds are criminal. I'd rather get gouged for service that works than get a good deal on service that doesn't.

Totally agree. Which is why I am still with ATT, but just imagine if they had copied Sprint or even Tmobiles pricing structures for this.

dokujaryu
Jul 18, 2012, 09:43 AM
The real value seems to be in having a bunch of devices. My breakdowns:

Our current bill (4 iPhones, 1 dumbphone) is $230. Split 5 ways is $45 a person. The 4 iPhones use roughly 6GB a month, split between one unlimited plan and three 2GB plans. Say I want to add an iPad to the mix, it would be $30 for 3GB bringing my monthly total to $270, split 5 ways is $54.

If we add a four more, low bandwidth users it breaks down to:
10GB: $120
User 1: $30
User 2: $30
User 3: $30
User 4: $30
User 5: $30
User 6: $30
User 7: $30
User 8: $30
User 9: $30
iPad: $10
Total: $400
minus discount (24%): $96
Grand total: $304
Divided 10 ways: $30.40 + a few bucks in taxes

So, I asked Verizon about my company discount. They said it only applies to the main plan, not the device fees. He could have been mistaken since it was a Verizon reseller, but I don't know for sure.

Xenomorph
Jul 18, 2012, 09:45 AM
I've been waiting SO LONG for this!

People who understand the billing process and have Family Plans will immediately recognize the savings possible with a shared-data plan. Yes, it is possible for your phone bill to DROP with these new plans. If your phone bill would increase with these plans, then they are NOT designed for you. They are for those with family plans.

I'll finally be able to get my family iPhones now without the cost of individual data plans killing me.

Boatboy24
Jul 18, 2012, 09:46 AM
F*&k off, AT&T. I'll be switching when I upgrade.

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 09:47 AM
The key point about this, buried at the end of the article, is that AT&T, unlike vzn, is not killing its existing plans. That means that for a new user who just wants one iPhone, vzn has priced themselves way above AT&T.

Not true. That was just a rumor which (thankfully) never came to fruition. You can still get 2GB/$30 individual plans.

ghostface147
Jul 18, 2012, 09:47 AM
I have unlimited voice/text/data (throttled over 3 gigs, but I've never hit that threshold) and after fees/taxes it's $133 a month. A 4 gig plan would save me about 10-12 bucks a month. I'm not interested in saving 10-12 bucks. The only added feature I would get is tethering, which I have never had a serious need for since I very very rarely carry my laptop outside my job or apartment.

Now when the iPhone 6 comes out with LTE, I am curious how much my internet usage will change with much faster abilities to get data. However I believe AT&T throttles LTE after 5 gigs instead of 3 for HSPA+ devices.

Dimwhit
Jul 18, 2012, 09:47 AM
Terrible plans for people who don't use a lot of data. I have two iPhones and a regular phone for my kids to use. That regular phone only costs $10/month, but now it would be $30? It doesn't even use data! And currently, I could add a new iPhone for $25/month ($10 for the extra line, $15 for 200MB of data, which we've only surpassed on one of our phones ONCE).

I currently pay a few cents under $150/month right now, taxes, etc. included.

This new plan would be $160/month PLUS taxes, etc. I was hoping to turn our third regular line into an iPhone when I upgrade mine (giving the old one to my kids for their phone), but that would be even more. Sure, I get unlimited minutes, hotspot, and more data, but I don't use our minutes as is (almost 6000 rollover minutes), I don't need hotspot service, and I don't need 1GB of data.

What a waste. I'm going to take a serious look at Sprint, T-Mobile, etc.

Razeus
Jul 18, 2012, 09:49 AM
Will this apply to AT&T's LTE when the new iPhone launches this fall?

topmounter
Jul 18, 2012, 09:52 AM
Unless AT&T is offering "unlimited" voice / text / data for $45/month, then I'm headed to Straight-Talk Pre-paid when my contract is up this fall.

Cougarcat
Jul 18, 2012, 09:53 AM
I wish I could reduce my voice minutes. The 450 is a waste for me. Odds are if it's not iMessage or email, I'm not interested in talking unless it's in person. Just give me the data!

Exactly. I wish these plans were cut in half, and the "unlimited minutes/text" was a component you added. No use for it.

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 09:54 AM
People, read the last paragraph.

AT&T isn't forcing anyone on these new plans. Even new customers can still pay on the old plans. So they're not raising prices on you, they are giving you more options and ways to find a better plan for your needs. This is a *GOOD* thing. Unlike Verizon that is forcing everyone on their new plans and for many people the new shared plans are a ripoff (like me)

From their press release:

“AT&T also is providing its customers with flexibility and choice by keeping its existing data plans and not requiring customers to move to Mobile Share unless they want to."


"Want to" means what, exactly?

-Want to get a subsidized price on the new iPhone 5?

I'd say the other shoe hasn't dropped just yet.

Speaking of other shoes, my tinfoil hat nature has me wondering if both Verizon/AT&T aren't prepping us to start paying for ALL devices that want to connect to their network regardless of HOW we want to connect. Maybe the reason they are willing to give away Hotspot right now is so they can collect all the MAC addresses of the health monitors, wifi-only devices like tablets, video game consoles, etc. and then eventually charge us per device that connects as an a la carte charge? That would totally suck but with the new share everything plans, they have the model to do that in place now.

Will this apply to AT&T's LTE when the new iPhone launches this fall?

Good question. Their website still claims that "Unlimited" users will be throttled at 3G and 4G speeds when they reach the 3GB limit, while unlimited 4G LTE customers will be throttled at the 5GB limit.

Source: http://www.att.com/esupport/datausage.jsp

"You'll still be able to use as much data as you want. That won't change. Only your data throughput speed will change if you use 3GB or more in one billing cycle on a 3G or 4G smartphone or 5GB or more on a 4G LTE smartphone."

If you are on a Mobile Share plan, presumably you can burn up to 20GB on a single phone (using up all the shared data for the entire account). I'd guess they aren't planning on throttling you in that instance but who the heck knows?

klrobinson999
Jul 18, 2012, 09:56 AM
Considering I only have one device with AT&T and I'm currently getting 3gb for $30, moving to 1 GB at $45 is quite the downgrade. Families may benefit, and those with multiple devices, but single people with a solitary device seemed screwed royally.

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and, you know they'll force you to the new plans eventually, especially at upgrade time.

NoExpectations
Jul 18, 2012, 09:56 AM
F*&k off, AT&T. I'll be switching when I upgrade.

Uhm...AT&T is not forcing this...it is an option.

Who would you go to, Verizon?....who IS FORCING these new plans? Sprint?....who is so slow and offer 4G to only 6 towns?

I'd recommend an Anger Management Class.

gotluck
Jul 18, 2012, 09:56 AM
I'm enjoying straight talk's byod program at $45 / mo ~$48 including tax on my now off contract iPhone 4.

Unlimited everything but data is unofficially capped at 2 gigs. Uses at&T's infrastructure - I'm a happy camper and my bill was more than halved.

macthetiger85
Jul 18, 2012, 09:57 AM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

2 iPhones = $40 EACH
4GB shared data = $70

Total $150 - still cheaper but not as much as you thought.

The too good to be true comment, for some it ends up cheaper (including me, I have a similar setup to yours just with the 1400 minutes, $5 texts on one phone (200) and $10 texts on the other (1000) 200MB $15 and 4GB $45.

The new plan sharing 4GB brings me from 165 to 150. (Excluding fees and what not)

Rodimus Prime
Jul 18, 2012, 09:57 AM
People, read the last paragraph.

AT&T isn't forcing anyone on these new plans. Even new customers can still pay on the old plans. So they're not raising prices on you, they are giving you more options and ways to find a better plan for your needs. This is a *GOOD* thing. Unlike Verizon that is forcing everyone on their new plans and for many people the new shared plans are a ripoff (like me)

problem is are they remove the old plans (aka if you are not grandfathered in or changed your plan you are SOL)

Like VZW plans these are crap. You are paying more for less.

The unlimited minutes is meaningless because I am willing to bet most people here are on the lowest minute plan (or could be on the lowest plan) and still have an insane amount of role over hence the reason why they give this "unlimited" crap.

Josh125
Jul 18, 2012, 09:58 AM
I agree, these family plans (Both AT&T and Verizon's) are a rip off for two phones.

How so? We gave up a collective 1GB of data (7 to 6) and gained hotspots for the same money We have two 4s phones on the plan.

Krayzie116
Jul 18, 2012, 09:58 AM
How does this work looks like I would be paying more if I do this share plan with family right? I know I don't have to go with it when I get the new iPhone right?

right now on our premier account we have 3 iPhone

$60 700 mins
$30 unlimited family text
$15 200mb data iPhone 4
$15 200mb date iPhone 4S
$30 unlimited data iPhone 4S

around $187.5 with taxes


if we go with the share plan

$90 6gb data
$35 iPhone 4
$35 iPhone 4S
$35 iPhone 4S

that would come around $190 don't think it includes taxes does it? and with the share plan we do get unlimited talk and text right?

SuperMatt
Jul 18, 2012, 09:59 AM
If only they could've made it more complicated!

BJMRamage
Jul 18, 2012, 09:59 AM
OK, just looked over my bill from last month...

starting price difference for 2 Family Talk Plans is an increase of $30/month

with all the taxes and texting charges (we don't have a texting plan) our bill was $142 for last month...which is still cheaper than the Base price for two phones to share the 4GB model.

Maybe if they had a decent 1gb or 2gb plan but the 1GB Shared Plan is still starting at $10 MORE than our current 2GB EACH plan.

sucks to be a 2-person/Phone Family with the new pricing.

robjulo
Jul 18, 2012, 10:00 AM
I agree, these family plans (Both AT&T and Verizon's) are a rip off for two phones.

Not a ripoff for everyone. It's going to save me a significant amount of money. Previously on a 4gig and 2gig plan, will get to fit both into a single 4 gig plan as the phone on the 2gig plan never came close to 2 gig usage.

techiegirl
Jul 18, 2012, 10:01 AM
problem is are they remove the old plans (aka if you are not grandfathered in or changed your plan you are SOL)




How are they removing the old plans? Verizon removed all the non shared plans. AT&T (according to the article on page 1) will give you the option of signing up for the shared plan or one of their individual or family plans.

BJMRamage
Jul 18, 2012, 10:03 AM
Not a ripoff for everyone. It's going to save me a significant amount of money. Previously on a 4gig and 2gig plan, will get to fit both into a single 4 gig plan.

but you're "losing" 2gigs of data right?

ualymerej
Jul 18, 2012, 10:05 AM
anyone notice that when you hit 6 smartphones, the 6gb and 10gb plans cost the same?

6gb plan:
$90 + $35 x 6 = $300

10gb plan:
$120 + $30 x 6 = $300

any more phones and the 10gb plan is actually cheaper... now the question is, are they still limiting 5 lines per shared plan as they do with family plans or did AT&T not really think this all the way through?

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 10:05 AM
Who would you go to, Verizon?....who IS FORCING these new plans?

Verizon removed all the non shared plans.

Grrr.... Verizon. Is. Not. Forcing. These. Plans. How many times must I say it? That was a rumor that never came to fruition.

The individual plans are not exactly heavily advertised on their website anymore (if you look under "plans," your only options appear to be "family" and "prepaid") but if you select the phone first, there is still an option for individual plans.

alent1234
Jul 18, 2012, 10:07 AM
Can someone please explain to me why one must pay MONTHLY PER DEVICE to have access to a data stream that you're also paying for MONTHLY?

I could understand a one time registration fee per device, if you wanted to go there... but if I'm paying for, say, 10GB data -- and I have 10 slots where I can put in device IDs (pins? whatever) -- why do I also then have to pay MONTHLY for each of those devices -- what is the burden on the provider of keeping track of a device that seems to warrant this (insane?) cost point?

I have an LTE ipad3 -- no data plan. Why? I have unlimited data on my iphone. What I'd like to do is pay for some data amount and use it either on my ipad3 OR my iphone. But I have to pay basically $40 +/- a month PER DEVICE?

Am I crazy to think it should be something like:

$XXX base ($25? $50?)
$X per GB (where $X is far less than $15!)
20 devices [max] (free? or one time "association" fee?)
[20 devices -- family of 5 each with 2 devices still only means 10 devices]

I think I pay $85 or so a month now for my limited "unlimited" plan -- but only on my iphone. My ipad is data dead (thanks AT&T).

So, now I want to share both devices and use the LTE as a hotspot while doing 6 hrs a week on amtrak (Amtrak connect out of NYC gets 1 to 10KB down usually -- ie: 100% unusable).

$50 base
$30 10GB @ $3 per GB

$80 ...

That's close to what I pay now, both my devices would be usable, it's only 2X the "unlimited" amount (5GB, right?) and I can tether on my ipad3.

Why would this make AT&T go bankrupt? at $4 per GB it's $90 and they actually make $5 (or so) more from me.

Also, I'm interested in what happens when data reaches the limit. Are we back to insane data overage costs? or will data just be blocked unless we pony up more cash to "rectify" our data consumption addiction?

It's funny how with talk minutes, you can get some carry over -- but does this happen with data? If I'm paying for unlimited... ahem, I mean 10GB/mo and I only use < 1GB a month, can I get a bank of +10 (max?) in case I hit an overage? of course not -- there's no profit in that and I'm sure it would lead to the downfall of civilization as we know it.

Scott

if you have a household with 2 iphones like i do and 4GB data, chances are you don't use it all. my wife is under 200MB most months. why would AT&T allow you to use that data with an ipad without charging you more?

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I can't believe how greedy US providers are :mad: prices in Europe are dirt cheap.

According to this, we'll be paying ~$10 more a month with our family plan with 3 iPhones. I guess it's not a horrible deal considering we'd be getting unlimited minutes, but we rarely make calls anyway, that's why we have 450 minutes/month :rolleyes:


you can buy a $30 unlimited data plan in the US. just go buy your iphone for $650. of wait apple with their $100 billion in cash in the bank is the good guy here and AT&T is the enemy

Dcuellar
Jul 18, 2012, 10:11 AM
It's no surprise this is going to work for some and not for others. It's a good thing this is an option.

What I like about it is that it says tethering is included. So if you were paying for tethering before you could be saving a good chunk with a shared data plan. There is also peace of mind with talk time. I don't have to worry about going over my limit and paying additional.

I'm paying $160 now after taxes for unlimited text, 750 minutes, 2 iPhones, and unlimited data with throttling after 3GB. I've always wanted tethering but wasn't willing to pay. I've also wanted to get my two daughters a smartphone. With my old plan it would have been (25 x 2) + (10 x 2) = $70 additional to add them on. So my total would be $230+taxes without tethering.

With this new plan I'm looking at $240+taxes with tethering and no worries about my daughters going over the 750 minute limit. A bit more expensive once taxes are figured in but I feel it's worth it for me because my teenage daughters talk a lot.

robjulo
Jul 18, 2012, 10:12 AM
but you're "losing" 2gigs of data right?

Correct, but based on my usage, much of it was unneeded and unused.

With the new 4 gig family plan, I'm comfortable I can fit both phones into the 4 gig and still have the hotspot (which I need).

Not saying it will work for everyone, but in my situation, its a plus.

Penn Jennings
Jul 18, 2012, 10:13 AM
Where is what I never understand about these threads. If this plan is not for you, stay with the plan that you have and you are totally unaffected. AT&T is not forcing anyone to do anything. Why do people go on a minor rant when they are ONLY being given a choice and are otherwise unaffected?

alent1234
Jul 18, 2012, 10:15 AM
It's no surprise this is going to work for some and not for others. It's a good thing this is an option.

What I like about it is that it says tethering is included. So if you were paying for tethering before you could be saving a good chunk with a shared data plan. There is also peace of mind with talk time. I don't have to worry about going over my limit and paying additional.

I'm paying $160 now after taxes for unlimited text, 750 minutes, 2 iPhones, and unlimited data with throttling after 3GB. I've always wanted tethering but wasn't willing to pay. I've also wanted to get my two daughters a smartphone. With my old plan it would have been (25 x 2) + (10 x 2) = $70 additional to add them on. So my total would be $230+taxes without tethering.

With this new plan I'm looking at $240+taxes with tethering and no worries about my daughters going over the 750 minute limit. A bit more expensive once taxes are figured in but I feel it's worth it for me because my teenage daughters talk a lot.


prepaid? $45 a month on straight talk for unlimited everything

KanosWRX
Jul 18, 2012, 10:16 AM
Anyone who thought AT$T would actually make a new plan that saved you money is delusional. They are trying to make more money off people and this is one way to do that. Create new plans that make you think your saving money but in reality your paying more. Right now for my two iPhones on my family plan I pay about 140 dollars. On their new "shared plan" I would pay 150. 70+40+40. This is no a good plan at all! Not to mention I would get less data! I have unlimited on one phone and 2GB on another. Plus don't think for a second at$t would make this unlimited everything. They will charge extra for extras like they always have. FaceTime... Just to name one. Can't wait for the new iPhone. Leaving AT$T.

unplugme71
Jul 18, 2012, 10:16 AM
So I'm basically going from 147/mo to 232/mo - only difference is I get unlimited talk vs 700 min and instead of unlimited data, I'm capped at 4GB.

Rodimus Prime
Jul 18, 2012, 10:20 AM
Grrr.... Verizon. Is. Not. Forcing. These. Plans. How many times must I say it? That was a rumor that never came to fruition.

The individual plans are not exactly heavily advertised on their website anymore (if you look under "plans," your only options appear to be "family" and "prepaid") but if you select the phone first, there is still an option for individual plans.

so translation Verizon is making it difficult to get the old individual plans and I am willing to bet AT&T will follow suit. The fact they make it fairly difficult to get to it should speak volumes at how much of a rip off the new plans are.

gotluck
Jul 18, 2012, 10:20 AM
you can buy a $30 unlimited data plan in the US. just go buy your iphone for $650. of wait apple with their $100 billion in cash in the bank is the good guy here and AT&T is the enemy

I agree, the common sentiment here that the service providers are always greedy and apple can do no wrong is just unbelievable. Apple is just as synonymous with greed as anyone.

UFGatorMel
Jul 18, 2012, 10:21 AM
I'll have to wait to see how the FAN discounts shake out but since it includes tethering it may be a better deal for us (depending again on the discount).

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 10:23 AM
Grrr.... Verizon. Is. Not. Forcing. These. Plans. How many times must I say it? That was a rumor that never came to fruition.

The individual plans are not exactly heavily advertised on their website anymore (if you look under "plans," your only options appear to be "family" and "prepaid") but if you select the phone first, there is still an option for individual plans.

Not sure which Verizon website you are using, but on mine, when I choose a new Smartphone as a new Customer, all I'm given for plan options is the Share everything plan.

I just went in, selected the Droid Incredible (Yuck) and boom....share everything plan is my only option. Up to 20GB of data for $150/month. It looks like any smartphone requires a data plan and, therefore, the Share Everything plan.

I tried again with a basic flipphone and even THAT offers me the Share Everything plan. However, if I scroll all the way to the right, I get an option for the phone and a pay-as-you go data/text plan. 700 mins for $40/month. They calculate it as $30 for the phone + $10 for the minutes. Again, data/text is pay-as-you-go extra.

So looks to me like Verizon has totally eliminated these plans.

SteveLV702
Jul 18, 2012, 10:25 AM
I have 3 iPhone's on my Verizon Account with Unlimited Account and then had 3 iPads no way giving up Unlimited Data on my iPhones so had to create another account transfer iPads and setup shared on that account which verizon allows you can just have iPads on account... But sucks is reading this AT&T you must have atleast 1 smartphone to get their crappy shared plans.... sure glad now with AT&T anymore.

macozone
Jul 18, 2012, 10:25 AM
i *think* i am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iphone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iphone w/300mb of data - $20, total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans i could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iphones, correct?

$70+$40+$40= $150

phil-ga
Jul 18, 2012, 10:27 AM
My family's current situation is roughly $170/month after tax, tag and title for "unlimited" (of course, throttled at 3GB for 3G) data plans for both of our iPhones. We collectively use less than 3GB data/month.

Under the new plan, before tax, tag and title, we'd be paying for two smart phones at the 4GB tier (40 + 40 + 70) which comes out to being about $150/month.

In theory, we'd be saving somewhere around $4 -$10/month, depending on actual taxes/regulation costs. The point is that we likely wouldn't be paying *more* (which I think is part of their "sweet spot" for most families, though others would have older kids who have phones as well).

Yet, while adding, say, an iPad would cost $10/month for dedicated access, did anyone note that tethering is included in the above?

So, in theory, you could get a wi-fi-only iPad (maybe iPad mini later this year...?), tether it to your iPhone, use the data through the iPhone tether, and be saving $10/month, by definition. This would work in my case, because I would only be accessing data from one device at a time. Therefore, it's not a matter of data being used, it's a matter of which device is going to use the data at the time.

Are we going to switch? Don't know yet. However, the plan doesn't scare us away the way the VZ plan does. Hopefully we'll be able to grandfather all of our account details over to the new iPhone without issue, giving us a chance to see how 4G/LTE works before making said decision.

A few thoughts :)

Disclosure: I own stock in AAPL, GOOG, VZ and T so no matter how any of this goes, I intend to profit from it.

edwurtle
Jul 18, 2012, 10:28 AM
Why do the smartphones cost different depending on data bucket? Each device gets the same unlimited voice/messaging. Each device pools from same "shared data". Why doest it cost more for smaller data buckets? Each phone device should be the same price ($30) regardless of phone type (smart/basic) or data bucket. They are double charging anyone who gets the 1,4, or 6GB bucket.

Why charge for tablets? I already paid for the data. The tablet is not making phone calls or sending out text messages, so why double charge me for the data? $10/month for the privilege of bending over and taking it!

Who needs all these minutes and text messages anyways? Most customers are turning away from using minutes and messaging. So now AT$T and Veri$on roll out plans that "look cheap". However for anyone who rarely talks/messages, it's expensive.

Where's the shared data plan with shared limited minutes and shared limited messaging?

This is what I want:
Pay x$ per shared minute
Pay y$ per shared message
Pay z$ per shared GB of data
Pay 0$ per device (I'm paying for each shared minute, shared message, shared GB)

My final question was alway the case with Veri$on and AT$T: Why not offer an unsubsidized rate? If I bought my phone myself, I would be stupid to ever pay for Veri$on or AT$T. So why, after my contract is up, do they charge the same expensive "subsidized" rate?

Preemptive response: I know you currently have the option of staying with your current plan. However eventually that option won't be there. AT$T and Veri$on is moving into an era of expensive forced minutes/messages.

randy98mtu
Jul 18, 2012, 10:29 AM
I currently pay:

$60 iPhone with 550 minutes (of which we use <300 per month)
$10 for flip phone 1
$10 for flip phone 2
$30 for unlimited data on iPhone
-$12 for FAN discount
= $98

Under this new plan:
$40 for 1 GB
$45 for iPhone
$30 for flip phone 1
$30 for flip phone 2
-? discount applies to which of the above?
= $145-$10 (guess for FAN) for unlimited talk and text that I don't need.

I hope they let me stick with what I've got when I get a 4G phone...

Dcuellar
Jul 18, 2012, 10:29 AM
prepaid? $45 a month on straight talk for unlimited everything

Never heard of it. Got a link so I can check it out? How's the coverage? Internet speed? Can I use iPhones and all of its features?

paradox22
Jul 18, 2012, 10:30 AM
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

Most of them don't. You have to buy an external receiver that plugs in USB.

C.G.B. Spender
Jul 18, 2012, 10:30 AM
Rape on a clear day thatís what this is.

theBB
Jul 18, 2012, 10:30 AM
When my current contract is over, I will most likely switch to Virgin's prepaid plan, assuming they don't lock out SIM cards for international travel. The prices are getting out of hand.

natedoggfdfl
Jul 18, 2012, 10:31 AM
I love reading these comments and knowing just how stupid people are. You beg for shared data plans and when the carries give you the option you find something to complain about. If you weren't so busy trying figure out how corporate America (which you would lose your mind if you couldn't have) is screwing you, you might do the smart thing and try to figure out how these new plans will benefit you. You can't compare these plans to what you have now because they are DIFFERENT! Try thinking in a way that's DIFFERENT! It's so apparent that the more people you have on these plans, the cheaper it is. Think about how you can get your family and friends on these plans and add up how much you pay now versus what your plan could be if you combine them together. Think Bout it.

topmounter
Jul 18, 2012, 10:31 AM
Never heard of it. Got a link so I can check it out? How's the coverage? Internet speed? Can I use iPhones and all of its features?

It's an AT&T MVNO... a part of Tracfone, sold by Wal-mart.

http://www.straighttalk.com/

Mebsat
Jul 18, 2012, 10:34 AM
I'll have to wait to see how the FAN discounts shake out but since it includes tethering it may be a better deal for us (depending again on the discount).

On my bill, the discount applies only to the voice plan line. Family plan 700 for $60 = 15% discount of $9.00, I presume my discount will go down and be based on the $40 base on the 1GB plan.

I know there are various discounts so they may not all work the same, so check your bill. (But we are probably on the same, Go Gators!)

After factoring in taxes, my bill is basically identical. We have 2 phones on the older 200MB for $15 plan, so it's a bump up in data and unlimited voice, which isn't really that big of a deal to me. Free tethering is the biggest plus for us.

mantan
Jul 18, 2012, 10:34 AM
My favorite part about Mac Rumors is the diametrically opposed reactions to stories about AT&T/Verizon and Apple.

If a cell company makes a change to their pricing that may cost you an extra $2, you're ready to burn them to the ground, have congress intervene and call them vile names.

Yet in other posts, (like the recent iPad Mini threads), people have had serious hand wringing that Apple may not get a big enough profit to make the iPad mini a worthwhile product.

People have been asking for shared data for ages. But what they really meant was - create a plan that'll let me share data at a significantly cheaper cost so I can pay you less money.

The plans they released are clearly designed to keep the income stream coming...which is what big companies do. To expect anything different is naive.

Of course this is the same crowd that thinks they have a constitutional right to unlimited $30 for the rest of their life and that it should cover their ever increasing demands for data and speed.

MartyXB
Jul 18, 2012, 10:35 AM
In Israel government regulation changes allowed two new companies, with no infrastructure, to piggyback on the current cellular carriers and are offering Unlimited voice, Unlimited text and Unlimited internet for $25/mo! One of them even offers Unlimited calls to the US!

I hope this is a sign of what is possible here in the future if the current monopolies can be broken.

pandamonia
Jul 18, 2012, 10:37 AM
LOL 40$ for 1GB!!!!!

Wow what a rip off.

Mistrblank
Jul 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
These were only really meant to make things easier for the upper echelon and top payers, specifically the people paying for unlimited plans. It was never meant to save the common single person on a budget any money.

randy98mtu
Jul 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
I love reading these comments and knowing just how stupid people are. You beg for shared data plans and when the carries give you the option you find something to complain about. If you weren't so busy trying figure out how corporate America (which you would lose your mind if you couldn't have) is screwing you, you might do the smart thing and try to figure out how these new plans will benefit you. You can't compare these plans to what you have now because they are DIFFERENT! Try thinking in a way that's DIFFERENT! It's so apparent that the more people you have on these plans, the cheaper it is. Think about how you can get your family and friends on these plans and add up how much you pay now versus what your plan could be if you combine them together. Think Bout it.

I was pondering this and when I read your post I did the math. I may have to talk to my wife and her family and combine. We could pay less than they are paying for 3 unlimited phones and have 6 unlimited phones with 10 gig of data between them.

topmounter
Jul 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
In Israel government regulation changes allowed two new companies, with no infrastructure, to piggyback on the current cellular carriers and are offering Unlimited voice, Unlimited text and Unlimited internet for $25/mo! One of them even offers Unlimited calls to the US!

I hope this is a sign of what is possible here in the future if the current monopolies can be broken.

FYI: List of US MVNO's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators)

Dcuellar
Jul 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
It's an AT&T MVNO... a part of Tracfone, sold by Wal-mart.

http://www.straighttalk.com/

This is interesting. You have to do a few things to get the iPhone working on it but I guess it could work. Here are the directions I found.

http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Straight_Talk_iPhone

One thing to consider is this:
Even though Straight Talk advertises this plan as being Unlimited, numerous people have been cut off for using a lot of data. Bottom line is do not abuse your data on Straight Talk, if you do, they will close your account or disable your data. It is generally considered safe to use 2GB a month and 100MB a day. You can use My Data Usage Pro (among others) from the Appstore to keep track of your data usage.

I'm not really sure I want to do that. I use data like hell. The other 3 phones would not use nearly as much. (Around 300-500mb per month) The shared data plan is ideal because I would be able to go beyond 3-4GB per month.

alent1234
Jul 18, 2012, 10:42 AM
Never heard of it. Got a link so I can check it out? How's the coverage? Internet speed? Can I use iPhones and all of its features?


www.straighttalk.com

they are an AT&T MVNO. they use AT&T's network like virgin and boost use Sprint's. Cricket uses Verizon's network. once t-mo gets their new frequencies up and running you'll be able to use an unlocked iphone on there for $30 a month as well

only thing is iphone is in the BYOD category and you will have to change the APN file manually and supposedly MMS doesn't work which is a non-issue for imessage. basically you get no support unless you use one of their certified devices. iphone and Galaxy and other nice phones are up to you to configure properly

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This is interesting. You have to do a few things to get the iPhone working on it but I guess it could work. Here are the directions I found.

http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Straight_Talk_iPhone

One thing to consider is this:


I'm not really sure I want to do that. I use data like hell. The other 3 phones would not use nearly as much. (Around 300-500mb per month) The shared data plan is ideal because I would be able to go beyond 3-4GB per month.

i think its even easier than that since that is an old old wiki

last i heard you just install a new APN file from a server in new zealand and you are good to go. used to be able to edit and create an apn file in iOS 3 but no more

Supermacguy
Jul 18, 2012, 10:43 AM
I wish I could reduce my voice minutes. The 450 is a waste for me. Odds are if it's not iMessage or email, I'm not interested in talking unless it's in person. Just give me the data!

You can call customer service and ask for the 350 min plan. They don't advertise it, you must ask/demand it.

convergent
Jul 18, 2012, 10:45 AM
Anyone notice that if you run over your limit, this shared data plan is $15/gb vs. the $10/gb now. My biggest problem with these plans is that they seem to follow no consistent logic that you could get to by looking at the cost of providing a GB of data, and then universally applying it to pricing policy. If they can make a good profit providing 1 GB of data at $10, then why is it all of a sudden 50% more expensive when shared????

And how is it logical to charge the same fee for a dumbphone as a smartphone. I guess we are in the post-dumbphone era. With a family plan, I had been paying I think $10 for a dumbphone added.

I would love to see this shared data to provide an option without unlimited minutes. I think that is what is driving this higher. For me, with 5 phones it comes out to $10 cheaper (before corp discounts) with the new plan, but I get 2G less data (total) and unlimited minutes. Assuming the discounts are similar, I will probably go to the shared plan to be able to pool the data... but we don't use that many minutes... so I'm getting something that I won't use.

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 10:46 AM
Not sure which Verizon website you are using, but on mine, when I choose a new Smartphone as a new Customer, all I'm given for plan options is the Share everything plan.

Shop->Smartphones->SGSIII 16GB->Add to cart->New Customer->Zip Code->With Wireless Service->Individual->SGSIII [no idea why you need to do that twice, but from the checkout seems they only charge you for one]->Yes->Next->No->Individual->choose a plan->OH LOOK! $30 for 2GB!

Dcuellar
Jul 18, 2012, 10:46 AM
My favorite part about Mac Rumors is the diametrically opposed reactions to stories about AT&T/Verizon and Apple.

If a cell company makes a change to their pricing that may cost you an extra $2, you're ready to burn them to the ground, have congress intervene and call them vile names.

Yet in other posts, (like the recent iPad Mini threads), people have had serious hand wringing that Apple may not get a big enough profit to make the iPad mini a worthwhile product.

People have been asking for shared data for ages. But what they really meant was - create a plan that'll let me share data at a significantly cheaper cost so I can pay you less money.

The plans they released are clearly designed to keep the income stream coming...which is what big companies do. To expect anything different is naive.

Of course this is the same crowd that thinks they have a constitutional right to unlimited $30 for the rest of their life and that it should cover their ever increasing demands for data and speed.


I agree with most of your post about people's reactions, but I do feel that the data prices are way too high here in the states compared to other countries.

I don't understand your comments on this matter. You say this is what companies do, but clearly you are a consumer. Unless you work for one of these companies, why would you be OK with prices NOT coming down? Do you work for one of these companies?

tigress666
Jul 18, 2012, 10:47 AM
problem is are they remove the old plans (aka if you are not grandfathered in or changed your plan you are SOL)

Like VZW plans these are crap. You are paying more for less.

The unlimited minutes is meaningless because I am willing to bet most people here are on the lowest minute plan (or could be on the lowest plan) and still have an insane amount of role over hence the reason why they give this "unlimited" crap.

No they are not removing the old plans, that was my point entirely. Read the last paragraph of the OP again.

topmounter
Jul 18, 2012, 10:48 AM
This is interesting. You have to do a few things to get the iPhone working on it but I guess it could work. Here are the directions I found.

http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Straight_Talk_iPhone



It's pretty straight forward... certainly easier than what you had to do back in the day when you bought a euro / unlocked GSM phone.

maestrocasa
Jul 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
This is going to be huge for us. Definitely cheaper than what we're doing now. ATT shared data + iPhone 5 = :)

benguild
Jul 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
Great. So no matter what, if I use a shared data plan I pay way more. This is such a great upgrade thanks AT&T!

phil-ga
Jul 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
Why do the smartphones cost different depending on data bucket? Each device gets the same unlimited voice/messaging. Each device pools from same "shared data". Why doest it cost more for smaller data buckets? Each phone device should be the same price ($30) regardless of phone type (smart/basic) or data bucket. They are double charging anyone who gets the 1,4, or 6GB bucket.

Why charge for tablets? I already paid for the data. The tablet is not making phone calls or sending out text messages, so why double charge me for the data? $10/month for the privilege of bending over and taking it!

Who needs all these minutes and text messages anyways? Most customers are turning away from using minutes and messaging. So now AT$T and Veri$on roll out plans that "look cheap". However for anyone who rarely talks/messages, it's expensive.

Where's the shared data plan with shared limited minutes and shared limited messaging?

This is what I want:
Pay x$ per shared minute
Pay y$ per shared message
Pay z$ per shared GB of data
Pay 0$ per device (I'm paying for each shared minute, shared message, shared GB)

My final question was alway the case with Veri$on and AT$T: Why not offer an unsubsidized rate? If I bought my phone myself, I would be stupid to ever pay for Veri$on or AT$T. So why, after my contract is up, do they charge the same expensive "subsidized" rate?

Preemptive response: I know you currently have the option of staying with your current plan. However eventually that option won't be there. AT$T and Veri$on is moving into an era of expensive forced minutes/messages.

In my opinion, I don't think anyone will be seeing metered voice minutes or text messages, going forward. For one thing, building up and tearing down voice channels stopped being a negative technological and cost issue likely sometime around 2g/3g deployment. Secondly, text messages were *never* any sort of cost issue, because they always use the device's maintenance channel, which costs the carrier somewhere in the neighborhood of $0.000001/message (I'm exaggerating; I don't know the actual costs, but it can't be that expensive!).

What's the key point that is the make-or-break issue for cellular networks? Data. They (the telcos) have to make money with it, come hell or high water. So, you see what they offer.

Secondly, regarding the cost of devices, phones are expensive. I've heard AT&T wants to increase the "upgrade tax" from $18/line to $36/line, so you're effectively paying upwards of $100 just for the ability to upgrade two phone lines (in my case). I intend to push for as much of a credit as possible against this when we upgrade.

Now, an iPad device is, by definition, cheaper than an iPhone, certainly on an out of contract basis. Notice that you are eating the entire cost of the iPad; AT&T/VZ/whomever are providing the basic communication service (if not wi-fi), and you and I both know they're not leaving any money on the proverbial table, so they're going to charge *something* to have the thing on their network. The only "exception" I see to not pay $10/month for dedicated iPad cellular service is the soon-to-be-included tethering option on iPhones. This would seem to do away with the need to have a dedicated iPad account.

Thirdly, why is AT&T still charging out the wazzoo for data, even if you pay upwards of $800 for an unsubsidized iPhone? Because the only reason they care about the actual cost of the device is if they have to subsidize it, and you still have to pay the "upgrade tax," because that socializes (heh) the subsidization across all users. Further, subsidization of devices has zero to do with data usage. In this respect, all they care about is the fact that your device is taking up spectrum space on their towers. Therefore, you get the same pricing treatment as anyone else does.

It's all data from here on out. We'll see how the entire market reacts to these new pricing plans from the virtual duopoly we call AT&T and Verizon.

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 10:52 AM
Of course this is the same crowd that thinks they have a constitutional right to unlimited $30 for the rest of their life and that it should cover their ever increasing demands for data and speed.

Hey, VZW/ATT decided that for $30/month, they could provide me with unlimited data. UNLIMITED. Doesn't matter that my demands are increasing, I paid (and continue to pay) their asking price for UNLIMITED data. If they couldn't really offer unlimited data for $30, whose fault is that, mine or theirs?

Geckotek
Jul 18, 2012, 10:52 AM
The pricing that the carriers is placing on data is ridiculous. And it keeps going up, not down. Jacked.

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 10:52 AM
Shop->Smartphones->SGSIII 16GB->Add to cart->New Customer->Zip Code->With Wireless Service->Individual->SGSIII [no idea why you need to do that twice, but from the checkout seems they only charge you for one]->Yes->Next->No->Individual->choose a plan->OH LOOK! $30 for 2GB!

I stand corrected!

Interesting that you can only get to these options via the Shop function. I went in through the Shop/Add new Device/New Customer vector from the side navbar....totally different workflow and options.

MaxCast
Jul 18, 2012, 10:52 AM
What that chart doesn't show is throttling begins after the 1gb column. :p
So, att can't give us 3gb without getting throttled, what makes them think they can give us 10gbs?? That's right, they can't. Just another price increase built into changing data plans.

alent1234
Jul 18, 2012, 10:54 AM
Anyone notice that if you run over your limit, this shared data plan is $15/gb vs. the $10/gb now. My biggest problem with these plans is that they seem to follow no consistent logic that you could get to by looking at the cost of providing a GB of data, and then universally applying it to pricing policy. If they can make a good profit providing 1 GB of data at $10, then why is it all of a sudden 50% more expensive when shared????

And how is it logical to charge the same fee for a dumbphone as a smartphone. I guess we are in the post-dumbphone era. With a family plan, I had been paying I think $10 for a dumbphone added.

I would love to see this shared data to provide an option without unlimited minutes. I think that is what is driving this higher. For me, with 5 phones it comes out to $10 cheaper (before corp discounts) with the new plan, but I get 2G less data (total) and unlimited minutes. Assuming the discounts are similar, I will probably go to the shared plan to be able to pool the data... but we don't use that many minutes... so I'm getting something that I won't use.

texting is going away

wireless service is a commodity. AT&T and verizon are about the same. which means that they have to advertise constantly and offer new customer discounts like the penny phones on amazon.

the basic voice/text service doesn't make any profit. the data makes the profit now. texting was last decade. they need about $90 in revenue on average per customer for their profits. most people don't want to pay that much so they make up a product at insane margins that some people are willing to pay for. now its data and mostly data on tablets and other non-phone devices. people willing to spend money on the go like the impulsive purchases in supermarket lines.

but in the end the reason at&t/vzw is so expensive is they have to pay for all the dumb TV ads and the phone subsidies so apple and samsung can keep on selling their phones at ridiculous prices. and all the customer service people so you can call in complaining about an extra nickel in charges or why you went over your minutes. that's why you're paying an extra $30 or more per month compared to prepaid

UFGatorMel
Jul 18, 2012, 10:55 AM
On my bill, the discount applies only to the voice plan line. Family plan 700 for $60 = 15% discount of $9.00, I presume my discount will go down and be based on the $40 base on the 1GB plan.

I know there are various discounts so they may not all work the same, so check your bill. (But we are probably on the same, Go Gators!)

After factoring in taxes, my bill is basically identical. We have 2 phones on the older 200MB for $15 plan, so it's a bump up in data and unlimited voice, which isn't really that big of a deal to me. Free tethering is the biggest plus for us.

My discount is on the Voice and Data plans because we have the 2 GB data plans. So like I said for us I'll have to see how they apply the discounts to the new plans. But tethering would be a nice perk since I do have an iPad without 3G.

Ha ha! Yes Go Gators.

Ajones330
Jul 18, 2012, 10:55 AM
What laptops can you buy that have cellular data built in?

Once upon a time you could purchase Dell laptops with att sim cards built in for mobile data. That was years ago though...

topmounter
Jul 18, 2012, 10:55 AM
Why do the smartphones cost different depending on data bucket? Each device gets the same unlimited voice/messaging. Each device pools from same "shared data". Why doest it cost more for smaller data buckets? Each phone device should be the same price ($30) regardless of phone type (smart/basic) or data bucket. They are double charging anyone who gets the 1,4, or 6GB bucket.

Why charge for tablets? I already paid for the data. The tablet is not making phone calls or sending out text messages, so why double charge me for the data? $10/month for the privilege of bending over and taking it!

Who needs all these minutes and text messages anyways? Most customers are turning away from using minutes and messaging. So now AT$T and Veri$on roll out plans that "look cheap". However for anyone who rarely talks/messages, it's expensive.

Where's the shared data plan with shared limited minutes and shared limited messaging?

This is what I want:
Pay x$ per shared minute
Pay y$ per shared message
Pay z$ per shared GB of data
Pay 0$ per device (I'm paying for each shared minute, shared message, shared GB)

My final question was alway the case with Veri$on and AT$T: Why not offer an unsubsidized rate? If I bought my phone myself, I would be stupid to ever pay for Veri$on or AT$T. So why, after my contract is up, do they charge the same expensive "subsidized" rate?

Preemptive response: I know you currently have the option of staying with your current plan. However eventually that option won't be there. AT$T and Veri$on is moving into an era of expensive forced minutes/messages.

ting.com (http://www.ting.com)

They're a Sprint MVNO, you only pay for what you use and the phones are (more or less) unsubsidized. Unfortunately Sprint doesn't work at my house, but I use their 4G MyFi when traveling.

aneftp
Jul 18, 2012, 10:55 AM
Fairly obvious both ATT and Verizon (Sprint has been already doing this for a while).

But both ATT and Verizon are basically trying to "force" data usage via the smartphone route rather than have someone simply have an add a flip phone for $10 without data.

This is simply a money move by ATT and Verizon.

Many people (especially grandma and grandpa) are very satisfied with being a $10/line add on in a family plan. By jacking up the device to $30 for feature phones, they are basically forcing the consumers hands.

Not everyone needs a smartphone or even a tablet.

Rodimus Prime
Jul 18, 2012, 10:56 AM
maintenance channel, which costs the carrier somewhere in the neighborhood of $0.000001/message (I'm exaggerating; I don't know the actual costs, but it can't be that expensive!).


I think you over estimated the cost. I believe they have looked into it and SMS is nearly 100% pure profit. It cost the carriers next to nothing extra to handle them. They already have the equipment in place for everything else on the phone.

It is so bad that I know Verizon and AT&T both banned their internal surveying and cost analyzing services from even looking into how much it cost and profit break down. AKA VZW and AT&T do not want to generate any internal report on it for fear of it getting out. They know it would kick back a near 100% profit margin and like hell do they want that to be officially document anywhere.

everything-i
Jul 18, 2012, 10:57 AM
This seems more like a shared contract rather than a shared plan. I thought the idea of a shared plan was that you payed for some data then could attach as many devices as you liked to the plan to use that data that you purchased. But then this would stop the US carriers ripping off their customers. Glad I live in the UK where you can get an unlimited plan with no throttling for as little as £15 (about $23). The US carriers are ripping you all off and this shared plan is laughable. Trouble is, the way I see it, you have no real competition in the US so the rates are staying at a level that we haven't seen in the UK for 10 years.

ericrwalker
Jul 18, 2012, 10:57 AM
Anyone notice that if you run over your limit, this shared data plan is $15/gb vs. the $10/gb now. My biggest problem with these plans is that they seem to follow no consistent logic that you could get to by looking at the cost of providing a GB of data, and then universally applying it to pricing policy. If they can make a good profit providing 1 GB of data at $10, then why is it all of a sudden 50% more expensive when shared????


I think that part of the plan is fine. Currently it's $10 extra for each phone that goes over. If my wife and I both go over it's $20 a month now.

With a group plan, you go over together, if there are 5 phones on the plan and you go over, it's $15/gb. Sounds like a reasonable amount since all devices are pooled.

MartyXB
Jul 18, 2012, 10:57 AM
FYI: List of US MVNO's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators)

Thanks for the list. anyone of them offering iPhone capable service for blockbuster rates (NYC area if possible)?

Hakone
Jul 18, 2012, 10:59 AM
Who'll be the first to do rollover data?

Ajones330
Jul 18, 2012, 10:59 AM
I wonder how the fan discounts will apply:confused:

redscull
Jul 18, 2012, 11:02 AM
New plans are good for users with all smart phones, who need unlimited texts, and who already pay for the top-end data plans on those smart phones. All of these must be true.

The new plans are grossly overpriced for users with dumb phones on their accounts or who are using lower data plans on their smart phones.

I have 3 smart phones and 1 dumb phone on my account with 1100 minutes, which is identical to unlimited since all mobile-to-mobile calls are truly unlimited via the text plan.

$30 - unlimited messages & mobile minutes (family)
$70 - 1st phone minutes (family)
$15 - 1st phone 200MB
$10 - 2nd phone minutes
$10 - 3rd phone minutes
$25 - 3rd phone 2GB
$10 - 4th phone minutes
$15 - 4th phone 200MB

Currently $185.

These same devices on the new plan, with 2GB or 4GB data (vs current 2.4GB), would cost $220. That extra $35 gives me no value. The unlimited minutes don't provide anything above what I already have. The extra 1.6GB data is in excess of my actual needs, but I have no option not to pay for it.

I've even been contemplating upgrading that dumb phone to an iPhone, and while the old plan would go up $20-30 vs. only $10 on the plan, the new plan would still be $15-25 more expensive for no benefit.

I'm thankful that I don't actually have to move to the new plan. I'm disappointed that it's not at all compelling since I have wifi, know how to manage data usage outside of wifi, and therefor just don't need to get ripped off by $30 data plans. Because only the people being ripped off by current $30 data plans really save anything on the new plan. And really, you're just being ripped off less.

phil-ga
Jul 18, 2012, 11:03 AM
I agree with most of your post about people's reactions, but I do feel that the data prices are way too high here in the states compared to other countries.

I don't understand your comments on this matter. You say this is what companies do, but clearly you are a consumer. Unless you work for one of these companies, why would you be OK with prices NOT coming down? Do you work for one of these companies?

If I may step in on this one...

Spectrum (e.g.: licensing), towers, asset management (e.g.: land or real estate upon which towers sit), leasing, etc. are all *sunk costs* for the telcos. That is, these are required expenses that are sometimes one-time costs and sometimes ongoing, all of which sit on the Expense-side of the balance sheet.

Revenues reside on the other side of the balance sheet. Landlines no longer make money for the telcos, because enough individuals have ceased landline use to where this is, in some cases, becoming less of a revenue and more of an expensive for the telcos.

Given the current environment, where are telcos making money? Through wireless access. In order to make up for the above-mentioned sunk costs and other ongoing costs, they have to make more in revenues and, whatever they can get above the expenses, which would be considered profit.

Companies like AT&T here in the US were the first to get the iPhone. This device was such a staggeringly huge success that, within 3 years -- three years -- AT&T found themselves temporarily beyond the ability to handle 2G/3G usage with their then-current sunk costs/expenses. *They had to ramp up like mad* just to *keep up,* much less progress beyond current technology.

This is all an incredibly expensive endeavor, and if you ever get a chance to see the general expenses incurred in terms of garnering spectrum licenses, cell towers, and all the rest of the assets and costs that require massive expenses, you'll understand why T, VZ and most other telcos are, relatively speaking, *massively* in debt.

So, they (the telcos) have to take a look at their balance sheet and figure out the best way to cover *all* costs (including said debt servicing for all the fancy, schmancy new 4G/LTE equipment they *just* bought, relatively speaking) *and* be able to make enough of a profit for *new* investments (such as whatever's next to come down the pike, or maybe for dividends for we investors, etc.) in order to be able to stay in business.

The result are the plans we're seeing today.

Remember way back when (maybe all of 10 years ago?) when you couldn't "roll over" your *voice* minutes, and then Cingular (at the time) got the idea that they could be kept for a certain period of time? I think one day data will do the same thing.

The point is that newer technologies make older technologies obsolete, which frees up expenses for other expenses (!), and, over time, as the market changes what it wants in terms of technology, the technology providers ultimately adjust.

aneftp
Jul 18, 2012, 11:04 AM
Shop->Smartphones->SGSIII 16GB->Add to cart->New Customer->Zip Code->With Wireless Service->Individual->SGSIII [no idea why you need to do that twice, but from the checkout seems they only charge you for one]->Yes->Next->No->Individual->choose a plan->OH LOOK! $30 for 2GB!

I think individuals still have option on Verizon to going tiered data.

Those wanting to add family plans do not have the option.

Duh, Verizon doesn't care about individuals cause those people end up paying $100 anyways if they were to go to the 2GB/$30 option.

But family plans were the bigger savings especially for those who still wanted 1-3 feature phones (with no data). Now, Verizon doesn't give new family plans that option.

Individuals do still get the options cause Verizon will still make the same profits off individuals. But not Families with the older plans who want to use feature phones.

wovel
Jul 18, 2012, 11:06 AM
So if you're on the 450 Minutes plan, with unlimited text and 3GB of data, your bill just went up $20/month.

Awesome.

Can someone please make a prepaid that doesn't suck?

It clearly says you are not required to switch..

Waxhead138
Jul 18, 2012, 11:06 AM
You'd think with the huge adoption of smart phones and the increased revenue from the already ridiculous data prices, they might lower their prices?? Like when high speed Internet was unaffordable but now has come way down in price.

I hate telecommunications companies.

Yeah...one would think. I worked for VZW for almost 7 years, ending in mid '08. The other thing that KILLS me is this: as a sales rep, and a manager...we were trained to push the unlimited data plans / smart phones...to essentially get a market established that wasn't directly business related. So, lets fast forward 4 years: The attitude from all the big carriers (minus Sprint) is always something like "Oh well the consumer is using too much mobile data this, we didn't expect the demand that." Its always posed as though they were taken by surprise...and in a very subtle way the consumer is blamed simply for using a product they paid for. Needless to say all, I'm throwing the ************ flag. This was the desired effect, they have what they want, and we literally will continue to pay for it.

I can't wait for the day a viable prepaid option is there, that can provide the stability of service that at least VZW and ATT can (in most cases.) Its the last edge they have left, and it isn't enough to keep alot of people happy even today.

TechMcGregor
Jul 18, 2012, 11:07 AM
its simple...if you dont like the plans....then DONT GO TO THEM!!!!! QUIT YOUR CRYING....

Nicksd84
Jul 18, 2012, 11:09 AM
This is just bs. I was planning on going to att for a 3 phone family plan. So that would cost me $70 for 4gb of data for all 3 phones which is garbage plus $120 for all three phones? So $210 plus fees and taxes would be what like $240ish?

That's not your only option. Look at the standard family plans, the data won't be shared. It'll be per device, but will be cheaper.

unlimitedx
Jul 18, 2012, 11:10 AM
Nope, won't save any money :(

SpyderBite
Jul 18, 2012, 11:10 AM
I upgraded my iPhone the other night fully expecting to 1. Lose my unlimited data 2. Switched to a Share Everything plan.

This is my 3rd subsidized upgrade since VZW switched to limited data plans.

However, the rep told me that I could keep my current family plan & my unlimited data. When I told him that I actually wanted the share everything he reminded me about an abandoned line that was still on contract until November & that I'd actually save money as well as retain my unlimited data on two grandfathered lines if I waited until nov to change the plan.

So, I guess the lesson here is.. Don't make assumptions. You know the rest.

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 11:11 AM
OK so I just did the math to see if I'm still better off on VZW than AT&T's new plans. There's some notable differences between the two "sharing" plans:

1) AT&T doesn't offer linear data plans. They offer 1,4,6,10,15 and 20GB plans. Verizon, by comparison, offers 300MB,1,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18 and 20GB plans. So you've got a lot more "pricing tiers" for data plans on Verizon than on AT&T (making it more complex, for sure, but also likely easier to ensure you don't go over/under your allotted plan). Depending on your particular use case, Verizon's additional pricing tiers could bring your price down further than anything achievable on AT&T.

2) Verizon's straight data rates are significantly cheaper at the upper tiers versus same from AT&T.


3) AT&T is offering you a discount on the monthly per-line access fee if you pre-pay a larger chunk of data. Or at least I think I'm reading that chart correctly.

So comparing apples to apples:

4 Smartphones, Unlimited Talk/Text and 10GB shared:

Verizon: ($40x4)+$100 shared data = $260/month
AT&T: ($30x4) + $120 shared data = $240/month

If you jumped the data up to 20GB for both (5GB per phone):
Verizon=$310/month
AT&T=$320/month

So even with the discounts for extra handsets, Verizon comes out a bit cheaper on the high data consumption end.

Am I interpreting AT&T's "discount for each additional handset" clause correctly? The price per smartphone is tiered based on shared data package you purchase, and not really a "discount for additional lines)?

Attaching Verizon 12-20GB pricing plans for Share Everything for those that haven't seen them:

TimTheEnchanter
Jul 18, 2012, 11:12 AM
A clever way to jack up prices.

I currently pay $155 for 2 iPhones and 1 basic phone, $180 after taxes and fees.
I have unlimited data on my iPhone, 2GB data on the other iPhone, unlimited texting and 450 minute plan, which I barely use and have accumulated thousands of rollover minutes - plus 9 out of 10 people I know use AT&T so my calls are free anyway.

With these new "scheme", I'd opt for 4GB, but that would cost me:
$70 (service) + $40 (iPhone 1) + $40 (iPhone 2) + $30 (basic phone fee) = $180, BEFORE the taxes and fees which would bump me up to ~$200.

For the $30 basic phone fee, I might as well get another smartphone for an extra $10! Then I have to wonder if 4GB of data is enough for the 3 of us and probably would have to bump to 6GB of data for an extra $5.

Clever way to force people into high prices, while still getting the service from a company that continues to tell me how I use the data I pay for. They BETTER not charge for Facetime over cellular, that's for damn sure.

Exact situation I'm in and not seeing any benefit for me, rather it benefits them.

Geckotek
Jul 18, 2012, 11:12 AM
I think that part of the plan is fine. Currently it's $10 extra for each phone that goes over. If my wife and I both go over it's $20 a month now.

With a group plan, you go over together, if there are 5 phones on the plan and you go over, it's $15/gb. Sounds like a reasonable amount since all devices are pooled.

A GB is a GB. So if you go over, it should be the same price per GB. Why is it suddenly more expensive??

gba2000
Jul 18, 2012, 11:14 AM
I wonder if FAN(company) discounts apply. I know Family Texting doesn't, I am hoping discounts apply.

schizbomb
Jul 18, 2012, 11:14 AM
This would benefit me only if the basic phones still cost $9.99 per line. Otherwise having 3 flip phones for my grandparents and uncle pushes it way over what I cost now.

Waxhead138
Jul 18, 2012, 11:15 AM
If I may step in on this one...

Spectrum (e.g.: licensing), towers, asset management (e.g.: land or real estate upon which towers sit), leasing, etc. are all *sunk costs* for the telcos. That is, these are required expenses that are sometimes one-time costs and sometimes ongoing, all of which sit on the Expense-side of the balance sheet.

Revenues reside on the other side of the balance sheet. Landlines no longer make money for the telcos, because enough individuals have ceased landline use to where this is, in some cases, becoming less of a revenue and more of an expensive for the telcos.

Given the current environment, where are telcos making money? Through wireless access. In order to make up for the above-mentioned sunk costs and other ongoing costs, they have to make more in revenues and, whatever they can get above the expenses, which would be considered profit.

Companies like AT&T here in the US were the first to get the iPhone. This device was such a staggeringly huge success that, within 3 years -- three years -- AT&T found themselves temporarily beyond the ability to handle 2G/3G usage with their then-current sunk costs/expenses. *They had to ramp up like mad* just to *keep up,* much less progress beyond current technology.

This is all an incredibly expensive endeavor, and if you ever get a chance to see the general expenses incurred in terms of garnering spectrum licenses, cell towers, and all the rest of the assets and costs that require massive expenses, you'll understand why T, VZ and most other telcos are, relatively speaking, *massively* in debt.

So, they (the telcos) have to take a look at their balance sheet and figure out the best way to cover *all* costs (including said debt servicing for all the fancy, schmancy new 4G/LTE equipment they *just* bought, relatively speaking) *and* be able to make enough of a profit for *new* investments (such as whatever's next to come down the pike, or maybe for dividends for we investors, etc.) in order to be able to stay in business.

The result are the plans we're seeing today.

Remember way back when (maybe all of 10 years ago?) when you couldn't "roll over" your *voice* minutes, and then Cingular (at the time) got the idea that they could be kept for a certain period of time? I think one day data will do the same thing.

The point is that newer technologies make older technologies obsolete, which frees up expenses for other expenses (!), and, over time, as the market changes what it wants in terms of technology, the technology providers ultimately adjust.

I don't disagree with any of what you've stated....however I will never provide one iota of sympathy to any of the major carriers, after having worked for one. They will keep themselves well insulated....for example....ETFs for smartphones double to 350$ (I admit here I'm not factoring in the monthly tick down on the ETF)... activation fees are never waived anymore, you pay an upgrade "fee" now, and restocking fees...not to mention, the wage structure at VZW at least is worse than it once was.

Again, you're correct....but the cell companies nickel and dime us in such a fashion, so damned arrogantly...that its tantamount to spitting in our faces. Everything is conducted with a silent "whatcha gonna do about it?" attitude.

Nabooly
Jul 18, 2012, 11:15 AM
Hmm just got an idea. Teaming up with another family with these share plans that VZ and ATT introduced. Splitting the bill and potentially making it cheaper for both families.

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 11:18 AM
A GB is a GB. So if you go over, it should be the same price per GB. Why is it suddenly more expensive??

Because, presumably, they are now offering you UNTHROTTLED GB's at tiered pricing levels. In other words, you could now get a 2-line Mobile Sharing plan with 20GB's of unthrottled data for $260/month.

Assuming you pre-pay for that data, of course. Otherwise, the $15/GB overage is a "convenience" penalty charge.

jlc1978
Jul 18, 2012, 11:18 AM
In Austria mobile data USB stick 24 months contract costs
1GB = 5 eur = 6.2$
6GB = 10eur = 12.4$
15gb = 15 eur = 18.6$


Good rates. Does it allow cross border roaming?

For example,can you go from Sydney to Rome or Muenchen w/o addtionl charges?

-Fiaker

wovel
Jul 18, 2012, 11:20 AM
What about the hot spot, will it be included and, if so, at what data level?

It is. At all levels.

Incorrect. You would be paying $70 + $40 + $40 = total of $150. Didja really think AT&T would allow you to save money?
This is price signaling/collusion at its finest folks. Welcome to corporate America.

Huh? I save money under the plan. Nearly everyone with multiple devices that reviews their actual usage will too. You clearly don't understand what collusion is either.

it's $45 per device so it would be $70 for the 4gb, plus $45 plus $45 equal $160 :(
Tethering is included across all levels for mobile share that's what it says in the press release.

It is $40 per phone under the 4GB data plan.

Under this plan by bill will go up from 180 to 250 with this plan. Time to get serious about researching competition


You really need to look at what you are actually using for Data on all of your phones/devices. We have 3 iPhones with 2GB plans and 1 with the 200MB. We also have an iPad with a 2GB plan. Sure that looks like we need to use the 10GB plan. In reality the 6GB is still a lot of over-kill. Most of our moves from 200MB to 2Gb were people using 500MB/mo. If you take each persons highest usage month and total them up, you still come out under 4GB/mo.

We will save about $10/mo with the new plan. When we add another phone and another iPad this fall, it will be even better (even if we then go to 10GB). These plans allow you to better pay for the data you actually need.

alent1234
Jul 18, 2012, 11:21 AM
If I may step in on this one...

Spectrum (e.g.: licensing), towers, asset management (e.g.: land or real estate upon which towers sit), leasing, etc. are all *sunk costs* for the telcos. That is, these are required expenses that are sometimes one-time costs and sometimes ongoing, all of which sit on the Expense-side of the balance sheet.

Revenues reside on the other side of the balance sheet. Landlines no longer make money for the telcos, because enough individuals have ceased landline use to where this is, in some cases, becoming less of a revenue and more of an expensive for the telcos.

Given the current environment, where are telcos making money? Through wireless access. In order to make up for the above-mentioned sunk costs and other ongoing costs, they have to make more in revenues and, whatever they can get above the expenses, which would be considered profit.

Companies like AT&T here in the US were the first to get the iPhone. This device was such a staggeringly huge success that, within 3 years -- three years -- AT&T found themselves temporarily beyond the ability to handle 2G/3G usage with their then-current sunk costs/expenses. *They had to ramp up like mad* just to *keep up,* much less progress beyond current technology.

This is all an incredibly expensive endeavor, and if you ever get a chance to see the general expenses incurred in terms of garnering spectrum licenses, cell towers, and all the rest of the assets and costs that require massive expenses, you'll understand why T, VZ and most other telcos are, relatively speaking, *massively* in debt.

So, they (the telcos) have to take a look at their balance sheet and figure out the best way to cover *all* costs (including said debt servicing for all the fancy, schmancy new 4G/LTE equipment they *just* bought, relatively speaking) *and* be able to make enough of a profit for *new* investments (such as whatever's next to come down the pike, or maybe for dividends for we investors, etc.) in order to be able to stay in business.

The result are the plans we're seeing today.

Remember way back when (maybe all of 10 years ago?) when you couldn't "roll over" your *voice* minutes, and then Cingular (at the time) got the idea that they could be kept for a certain period of time? I think one day data will do the same thing.

The point is that newer technologies make older technologies obsolete, which frees up expenses for other expenses (!), and, over time, as the market changes what it wants in terms of technology, the technology providers ultimately adjust.

except that with rollover minutes my bill stayed the same, now its going up

if the telco's want to free up cash cut down on the TV ads and the new customer costs like penny android phones. and get rid of the retail stores

Waxhead138
Jul 18, 2012, 11:22 AM
I upgraded my iPhone the other night fully expecting to 1. Lose my unlimited data 2. Switched to a Share Everything plan.

This is my 3rd subsidized upgrade since VZW switched to limited data plans.

However, the rep told me that I could keep my current family plan & my unlimited data. When I told him that I actually wanted the share everything he reminded me about an abandoned line that was still on contract until November & that I'd actually save money as well as retain my unlimited data on two grandfathered lines if I waited until nov to change the plan.

So, I guess the lesson here is.. Don't make assumptions. You know the rest.

Glad to hear they are silently, at least for now, still letting people keep what is better for them. I wonder if that attitude will remain the same when the new Iphone is released....or in general when older 4G phones go clearance / free.

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 11:22 AM
That means that Verizon, on purely data charges, is $50/cheaper per month than AT&T at the highest published tier (20GB). The price per handset discount likely nullifies this for large multi-line accounts, however.

For >5 handsets, yup. And if you're buying 20GB, you probably have >5 handsets.

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 11:23 AM
Hmm just got an idea. Teaming up with another family with these share plans that VZ and ATT introduced. Splitting the bill and potentially making it cheaper for both families.

All sounds fine until Junior from family A blows the data cap and everyone gets throttled. Family Feuds have been started over much lesser grievances.

For >5 handsets, yup. And if you're buying 20GB, you probably have >5 handsets.

5 handsets, 20GB shared data:

Verizon: ($40x5) + $150/20GB = $350
AT&T ($30x5) + $200/20GB = $350

Now you tell me these two bozo's don't sit in the same room and laugh over their stogies together?

marksman
Jul 18, 2012, 11:27 AM
The minimum plan seems to have gone up.

My plan is the MINIMUM for 2 smart phones:
My family plan is now $60 (700 minute plan) + $10 (phone 2) + $15 (250mb data phone 1) + $15 (250mb data phone 2) = $100 + taxes

New plan (with 1gb minimum - twice the data of my current plan):
$40 + $45 + $45 = $130 + taxes

$30 more! :eek:

I do get unlimited phone calls, and unlimited texts (which I already have with iPhone to iPhone anyways).... but looks like my bill would go up $30.

With unlimited texts, phone calls and tethering included. Oh yeah and twice as much data from a single flexible pool.

You don't have to upgrade but those changes might be worth 30 dollars for some people.

unlimitedx
Jul 18, 2012, 11:27 AM
hmm suddenly families can use over 20gb a month and it won't affect at&t's network, yet unlimited data plans are throttled at 3gb :p

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 11:30 AM
hmm suddenly families can use over 20gb a month and it won't affect at&t's network, yet unlimited data plans are throttled at 3gb :p

Yup, the message should be very, very clear to Unlimited contract holders by now.

Your business is not welcome. Your days are numbered. We will bribe you to switch (take away subsidies), limit the usefulness (throttling) and eventually force you to switch or leave. We don't want you around.

vpro
Jul 18, 2012, 11:34 AM
Ridonculous or bogus or scam you pick the description for this service fee hike, really people, there is NO COMPETITION when it comes to mobility and connectivity in this part of the world (Canada/USA). My gal'pals overseas pay near NOTHING for connectivity and usually get A LOT and no one is eating one less meal a day either to afford a better than the best plan equivalent in CAN or US.

I use free wifi everywhere and don't even have a phone plan and I'm one of the most efficient and productive human beings in my circle of friends at least, I have friends who feel its okay to play $90 - $1800 a month and have an eyefone in one had, a gooseberry tucked between one finger, balancing an ayepad between her legs and dangling a laptop off her right retina display!

Yes that was absurd -- but not as absurd as this ATNT service scam. This message and connection made possible by free wifi on the bus. Have a GREAT connection day?!

Peace and Care lots.

faroZ06
Jul 18, 2012, 11:34 AM
I just want data without voice and text. Is it possible to make it so you just can't receive text messages and can't get charged? Because if you don't have a plan, you're supposed to just pay per message (a lot).

ericrwalker
Jul 18, 2012, 11:36 AM
A GB is a GB. So if you go over, it should be the same price per GB. Why is it suddenly more expensive??

Not sure you're got what I said, yes a GB is a GB but now it's allowing all devices to go over with only 1 extra charge. In the past only one 1 device got to use the extra GB, now multiple devices can.

faroZ06
Jul 18, 2012, 11:38 AM
Yup, the message should be very, very clear to Unlimited contract holders by now.

Your business is not welcome. Your days are numbered. We will bribe you to switch (take away subsidies), limit the usefulness (throttling) and eventually force you to switch or leave. We don't want you around.

I don't blame them. Unlimited users slow it down a lot. My friend still has his old unlimited plan from when they were offering it, and he chews data with video and audio streaming constantly. Luckily for them, he doesn't feel like tethering, but 4G LTE seems to be faster than his home wifi, so I told him he should just tether all the time.

unlimitedx
Jul 18, 2012, 11:38 AM
at&t will still offer the old plans as well to new customers? that is good, at least at&t gives customers a choice versus verizon..

for some reason i doubt at&t's shared data plans would be so expensive if verizon hadn't introduced their plans first

faroZ06
Jul 18, 2012, 11:40 AM
so i can pay $25 more a month and have less data. Right now i pay $90 for an iphone with unlimited data 1000txt, and a basic phone. I'd pay $40+$45+30 = $105. What a deal.

90 + 25 = 115.

PracticalMac
Jul 18, 2012, 11:40 AM
http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/att_shared_plans.jpg

Cheaper to stay with my individual plans! :mad::mad::mad:

3 phones, $45 total/600MB, vs $130/1GB

Geckotek
Jul 18, 2012, 11:41 AM
Because, presumably, they are now offering you UNTHROTTLED GB's at tiered pricing levels. In other words, you could now get a 2-line Mobile Sharing plan with 20GB's of unthrottled data for $260/month.

Assuming you pre-pay for that data, of course. Otherwise, the $15/GB overage is a "convenience" penalty charge.

You missed my point and should refer back to the post I quoted.

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 11:42 AM
I just want data without voice and text. Is it possible to make it so you just can't receive text messages and can't get charged? Because if you don't have a plan, you're supposed to just pay per message (a lot).

That's what we all want.

But there's no money in giving us what we want :rolleyes:

---

I think tmob used to (still does?) offer a $30/month unlimited data-only SIM for BB customers. Now _that_ would be perfect (slotted into a non-BB phone, of course :p)

faroZ06
Jul 18, 2012, 11:43 AM
Holy ****, I've said it before but I'll say it again; prices for cellular service in the US are really high, at least on AT&T and Verizon.

Here in the UK, I can get 250 minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited data (with no throttling) for £10 per month, which is $15.60.

:eek:

That's crazy low! $15.60 for unlimited everything, counting 250 minutes as basically unlimited, is totally worth it.

cvaldes
Jul 18, 2012, 11:45 AM
I'm enjoying straight talk's byod program at $45 / mo ~$48 including tax on my now off contract iPhone 4.

Unlimited everything but data is unofficially capped at 2 gigs. Uses at&T's infrastructure - I'm a happy camper and my bill was more than halved.
Yes, it's a good deal, although I'm hoping that AT&T's move will persuade Straight Talk to reduce the price of their unlimited monthly plan, or to allow smartphones on the cheaper $30 per month plan. The latter would actually be better for me. I use very few voice minutes per month and I don't really care about texting since I use Google Voice.

However, I really wish AT&T would bring back data packages for smartphones back to their GoPhone Pay As You Go service. It's doubtful they would do so, they weren't making much money from users like me (I was averaging about $13 per month in cellular services).

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 11:45 AM
I just want data without voice and text. Is it possible to make it so you just can't receive text messages and can't get charged? Because if you don't have a plan, you're supposed to just pay per message (a lot).

Given how my kids use their smartphones, my guess is that AT&T and Verizon both realize that Text messaging far, far outweighs voice usage. So they aren't likely to separate the two plans and offer a smartphone "data only" package even though they offer a tablet "data only" package.

Frankly, for your needs, I'd buy a tablet SIM plan and just put it into your smartphone, assuming you are able to do that. Then start using Google Voice for your texting needs. Problem solved.

rdb1976
Jul 18, 2012, 11:46 AM
Why do I have the feeling my bill is about to get jacked up?
Only if you want it to be. If you do nothing, your bill won't change. These are optional, not replacements.

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 11:47 AM
at&t will still offer the old plans as well to new customers? that is good, at least at&t gives customers a choice versus verizon..

I was corrected earlier on this by another poster, but you are wrong. Verizon still offers all their old plans as well as the new Share Everything plan...you just have to know how to use the right Shop feature on their website. They are all still there under "Individual Plans."

faroZ06
Jul 18, 2012, 11:47 AM
That's what we all want.

But there's no money in giving us what we want :rolleyes:

---

I think tmob used to (still does?) offer a $30/month unlimited data-only SIM for BB customers. Now _that_ would be perfect (slotted into a non-BB phone, of course :p)

People have got to stop using SMS. We're ripping ourselves off here.

I couldn't find a $30/month unlimited data plan on their site, but that might just be because their site looks like Yahoo.com.

iSee
Jul 18, 2012, 11:53 AM
Only if you want it to be. If you do nothing, your bill won't change. These are optional, not replacements.

For now.
I'm normally not one to fear the worst, but AT&T has a pattern here.

lifeinhd
Jul 18, 2012, 11:55 AM
People have got to stop using SMS. We're ripping ourselves off here.

I never use SMS. I just use Google Voice. Free, and much more flexible (I rarely answer texts on my phone, I usually answer them from the computer or my iPad. And I've been doing that long before Apple rolled out iMessage).

I couldn't find a $30/month unlimited data plan on their site, but that might just be because their site looks like Yahoo.com.

I didn't think they would still have it. This was several years ago, when people still used BBs.

unlimitedx
Jul 18, 2012, 11:55 AM
I was corrected earlier on this by another poster, but you are wrong. Verizon still offers all their old plans as well as the new Share Everything plan...you just have to know how to use the right Shop feature on their website. They are all still there under "Individual Plans."

Individual plans? What about their old family plans?

ScottYelich
Jul 18, 2012, 11:57 AM
if you have a household with 2 iphones like i do and 4GB data, chances are you don't use it all. my wife is under 200MB most months. why would AT&T allow you to use that data with an ipad without charging you more?
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you can buy a $30 unlimited data plan in the US. just go buy your iphone for $650. of wait apple with their $100 billion in cash in the bank is the good guy here and AT&T is the enemy


This is the family plan, right?

So I have *1* data plan and two devices. I didn't pay for a data plan on the ipad3 LTE because why should I pay for a separate data plan for each device -- as you say -- if I never come close to those data limits? If I pay for X GB, does it really matter if I get that X GB via 1 device or 2? or 3?

I had to get a data plan for my iphone. I didn't have to get one for my ipad. My iphone doesn't allow tethering. My iPad can't use the data account that I paid for with my iPhone.

Now, with the family plan, I *should* be able to pay for one X GB amount, and use it with both my iPhone and my iPad ... but I have to pay for each device $30 a month? why?

mantan
Jul 18, 2012, 11:59 AM
Hey, VZW/ATT decided that for $30/month, they could provide me with unlimited data. UNLIMITED. Doesn't matter that my demands are increasing, I paid (and continue to pay) their asking price for UNLIMITED data. If they couldn't really offer unlimited data for $30, whose fault is that, mine or theirs?

AT&T offered iPhone users unlimited data as an stipulation to be an exclusive carrier of the original iPhone.

They continued to grandfather people under the old contract (despite speculation it would end each iPhone) even though data speeds/usage has increased 5-10 fold and network users have increase several hundred times that amount.

It's been nice while it lasted, but expecting unlimited access to a limited commodity isn't a rational business offering and I people should realistically expect that day would end.

MrXiro
Jul 18, 2012, 12:01 PM
No, it didn't. If you're on the 450 minute plan with unlimited text and 3GB of data, you're *still* on the 450 minute plan with unlimited text and 3GB of data at exactly the same price.

These are additional options, they're not replacing the existing plans.

Not that you know of at least... Why would you defend AT&T either way?

tasset
Jul 18, 2012, 12:02 PM
I just want data without voice and text. Is it possible to make it so you just can't receive text messages and can't get charged? Because if you don't have a plan, you're supposed to just pay per message (a lot).

Oh my friend, they DO offer this. It's exactly what I do. I use an iPhone 4S with the APN info changed to the iPad and pay the $30 data prepaid. All voice and texts go through Skype/Google Voice/iMessage.

note235
Jul 18, 2012, 12:03 PM
i wonder if premiere discounts will apply to the whole bill now?

and if retention can get any offers haha

mantan
Jul 18, 2012, 12:04 PM
I agree with most of your post about people's reactions, but I do feel that the data prices are way too high here in the states compared to other countries.

I don't understand your comments on this matter. You say this is what companies do, but clearly you are a consumer. Unless you work for one of these companies, why would you be OK with prices NOT coming down? Do you work for one of these companies?

I'd absolutely love for prices to come down. Just like I'd love the DirecTV bill to come down, the price of gas to come down and the cost of groceries to come down.

But I don't expect those things to happen unless there is a business incentive to see it happen. The point of my post (well one of them anyway) was that AT&T is a big business. And in an environment where minutes/texting/ring tones and other revenue streams aren't growing - data is the one place where they can grow income. (And consequently the one area that drives infrastructure/development costs.) I just think it was naive for anyone to expect either VZW or AT&T were going to implement a shared data plan that significantly cut our costs/their revenue.

tasset
Jul 18, 2012, 12:10 PM
I'd absolutely love for prices to come down. Just like I'd love the DirecTV bill to come down, the price of gas to come down and the cost of groceries to come down.

But I don't expect those things to happen unless there is a business incentive to see it happen. The point of my post (well one of them anyway) was that AT&T is a big business. And in an environment where minutes/texting/ring tones and other revenue streams aren't growing - data is the one place where they can grow income. (And consequently the one area that drives infrastructure/development costs.) I just think it was naive for anyone to expect either VZW or AT&T were going to implement a shared data plan that significantly cut our costs/their revenue.

The problem as I see it is that a utility company should not be entitled to make 30-40% profit margins on a necessity. I would argue cable television is a frivolous privilege (especially with the amount of crap on it), gasoline does not have that much margin. At one time you could argue cell phones were a luxury. But given they and the internet are now people's increasingly only choice to communicate (landlines are to be phased out in the next decade), it does seem that the European model is better which is to control the infrastructure and let companies compete on price to access.

Navdakilla
Jul 18, 2012, 12:12 PM
Sounds good to me, I eventually want to upgrade my ipad and get one with 3g in it. can't afford it right now tho

paduck
Jul 18, 2012, 12:15 PM
I *think* I am saving money by going with the shared data if this truly does include unlimited minutes and messaging from reading this post. There has to be a gotcha, seems to good to be true.

Currently we pay for two lines:
700 minutes - $70, unlimited messaging - $30, 1st iPhone w/2gb of data - $25, 2nd iPhone w/300mb of data - $20, Total bill is $145.

So with the shared data plans I could go with the 4gb plan for $110 for two iPhones, correct?

I think you have $70 + $40 + $40 = = $150. They don't include phone #1 in the base price.

OriginalClone
Jul 18, 2012, 12:18 PM
What about tethering?

ReallyBigFeet
Jul 18, 2012, 12:20 PM
What about tethering?

From AT&T's Mobile Share website:

Includes Unlimited Talk & Text for all phones, FREE Mobile Hotspot for capable smartphones and tablets, and no roaming or long distance charges nationwide!

Eddie Bombay
Jul 18, 2012, 12:23 PM
The 40$ charge per smartphone is just nuts. For 40 per phone they need to up the data to at least 8 GB instead of 4. For 20$ more my current plan can go from 5.25 GB of data to 9 GB. I understand that's not shared but that's still bs. I'm willing to take the 1 GB loss for shared, not 4 GB though.

My fam bam plan atm:

Data: 250 MB, 3GB, 2GB.
Phone #1: 60 + 30 + 15
Phone #2: 10 + 30
Phone #3: 10 + 25 = 180$

4 GB plan:
70 + 40*3 = 190$

The tethering for free is cool though, but not worth the extra 10$ to share.

alent1234
Jul 18, 2012, 12:25 PM
The problem as I see it is that a utility company should not be entitled to make 30-40% profit margins on a necessity. I would argue cable television is a frivolous privilege (especially with the amount of crap on it), gasoline does not have that much margin. At one time you could argue cell phones were a luxury. But given they and the internet are now people's increasingly only choice to communicate (landlines are to be phased out in the next decade), it does seem that the European model is better which is to control the infrastructure and let companies compete on price to access.

in europe you have to buy your own iphone for $650 plus 20% VAT. tim cook even said he was in favor of the US contract model because it hides the cost of the device and lets apple maintain their prices

greytmom
Jul 18, 2012, 12:25 PM
If tethering is included, why would anyone pay a fee to add a tablet or computer to their plan?

JHankwitz
Jul 18, 2012, 12:26 PM
This is still way too complicated. Why not simply charge enough to cover phone financing each month, plus a flat fee per gigabite actually used. Using a complex matrix is nothing more than a way to confuse customers and screw low data users.

Vesian
Jul 18, 2012, 12:27 PM
I believe admiral ackbar said it best: "IT'S A TRAP!"