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Jinsou
Jul 18, 2012, 04:29 PM
Yeah I'm pretty excited about the rumors of apple launching a "retina display/Siri/iTunes integrated/whatever else tv" And yeah I'll probably go out and get it. I currently own an HP Branded 32'' tv. And it's like from 2005, and it works like a charm, it was built by sharp.

I don't believe one needs to research to know that people don't just go out changing their tv's every year like most people do with their ipods/ipads/even macbooks/ and everything apple for that matter.

So what do you think Apple's plan for the TV business is? Somewhat like the Mac Pro?( and by that I mean it's the least they seem to care about when it comes to updating ) I mean people screw their Tv's to walls, do whole room changes to hook it up, it even feels like a pain just talking about it...

So.. Yearly change or maybe 2-3 years refresh?

Thoughts >>>



nuckinfutz
Jul 18, 2012, 05:34 PM
Probably a 2-3 year cycle for a HDTV. People don't upgrade every year but that doesn't matter as they don't upgrade their computers every year either.

MacDawg
Jul 18, 2012, 05:37 PM
I think they will upgrade as newer/better technology becomes available
No, people don't upgrade TV's every year, but new customers will want to buy the latest technology
Nobody will be forced to upgrade

StevenB14
Jul 18, 2012, 05:39 PM
I think they will upgrade as newer/better technology becomes available
No, people don't upgrade TV's every year, but new customers will want to buy the latest technology
Nobody will be forced to upgrade

As new customers buy the newer versions it will get to the point that there will be a different portion of the customer base wanting to upgrade their version of the TV every year. Provided this becomes a substantial amount then that would give Apple the justification to release a yearly TV upgrade.

Nitrocide
Jul 18, 2012, 05:42 PM
Yeah, I could see them updating new tech as it comes along as they do with iPhone/iPad/MacBook's etc. Probably supporting major software updates for a few years. If I still had my original G5 Powermac it would still be useable today, but stuck on leopard.

KeithJenner
Jul 18, 2012, 05:54 PM
I don't believe one needs to research to know that people don't just go out changing their tv's every year like most people do with their ipods/ipads/even macbooks/ and everything apple for that matter

Most people?

I very much doubt it.

Apple fanboy
Jul 18, 2012, 05:59 PM
My dad just updated his CRT TV this month. He is a bit of a dinosaur though. I tend to upgrade all my tech the same. When it's either broken or no longer current. Eg to slow or missing latest features I really want/need. Mostly though if its still working I just move it to some other part of the house or pass it on to someone who needs it.

Nitrocide
Jul 18, 2012, 06:02 PM
Most people?

I very much doubt it.

Indeed, I've had 3 macs since 2003 and I almost feel like that's been a bit indulgent.

xlii
Jul 18, 2012, 06:18 PM
I just upgraded our tube tv that we have owned since 1993. It still worked great but technology has passed it by and it was time to upgrade. I plan to keep this hdtv till it shows it's age. That should be at least 10 years or until they change the broadcast standards to some newer standard that it cannot receive.

waw74
Jul 18, 2012, 07:40 PM
and that's why a lot of people aren't buying the apple television rumors.



as far as retina display, most people already have one. at the distance you watch your TV from, it qualifies as retina.
a 50" 1080 becomes retina in less than 7 feet. source (http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/01/retina-display-macs-ipads-and-hidpi-doing-the-math/)

E.Lizardo
Jul 18, 2012, 07:54 PM
Yeah I'm pretty excited about the rumors of apple launching a "retina display/Siri/iTunes integrated/whatever else tv" And yeah I'll probably go out and get it. I currently own an HP Branded 32'' tv. And it's like from 2005, and it works like a charm, it was built by sharp.

I don't believe one needs to research to know that people don't just go out changing their tv's every year like most people do with their ipods/ipads/even macbooks/ and everything apple for that matter.

So what do you think Apple's plan for the TV business is? Somewhat like the Mac Pro?( and by that I mean it's the least they seem to care about when it comes to updating ) I mean people screw their Tv's to walls, do whole room changes to hook it up, it even feels like a pain just talking about it...

So.. Yearly change or maybe 2-3 years refresh?

Thoughts >>>

Um,TV manufacturers release new/updated models every year.You're saying Apple shouldn't??

goMac
Jul 18, 2012, 08:30 PM
All other TV manufacturers are on a yearly upgrade cycle. I'm not sure Apple would have to be, but I'm also not sure there is a reason why it would be unusual either.

s15119
Jul 18, 2012, 08:43 PM
I think they are looking at making more money off of content than hardware.

NewbieCanada
Jul 18, 2012, 09:00 PM
The issue isn't the model cycle.

TVs are pretty much a commodity right now. You may prefer Samsung, and your neighbour may like Sony and your brother-in-law likes Panasonic, but they all do the same thing.

People are assuming:

1. People won't buy a TV just because it has an Apple logo on it. It has to be some kind of game changer.

2. If it is a game changer, there's the problem that most people who might be interested in it already have one or more large-screen TVs.

Through all the months of speculation I've yet to see an idea that seems both compelling enough to be a game-changer and possible. I am not for a minute convinced that people want to control their TV by voice or gesture, or want to use it for FaceTime. And I don't believe that Apple can deliver unique content.

robjulo
Jul 18, 2012, 09:00 PM
Probably a 2-3 year cycle for a HDTV. People don't upgrade every year but that doesn't matter as they don't upgrade their computers every year either.

I don't know a single person who is on a 2-3 year cycle to upgrade their TVs.

nuckinfutz
Jul 18, 2012, 09:05 PM
I don't know a single person who is on a 2-3 year cycle to upgrade their TVs.

Why would they? In recent times the only incentive to buying a new TV was largely size or adding a second unit.

With the advent of so called Smart TV now there's a wider feature-set that users may be accustomed to and 3 years will make a big difference in the "smart" capabilities of the TV.

Mackan
Jul 18, 2012, 09:30 PM
The more Apple products on the market, the more "forced" yearly upgrades we will see. That's how Apple's dollar business works. Will be a pain to be stuck in the Apple ecosystem when you own 5 Apple products that need yearly upgrade in order to function well together.

CocoaPuffs
Jul 19, 2012, 02:51 AM
Come on, tell the truth: if Apple makes a toilet, you and I are upgrading it every year.

wovel
Jul 19, 2012, 03:18 AM
Um,TV manufacturers release new/updated models every year.You're saying Apple shouldn't??

Yep. Within 12 months of my last TV purchase, Samsung had made two updates to the model. If anything TV manufactures are changing things at a more rapid clip than many CE markets.

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The more Apple products on the market, the more "forced" yearly upgrades we will see. That's how Apple's dollar business works. Will be a pain to be stuck in the Apple ecosystem when you own 5 Apple products that need yearly upgrade in order to function well together.

You dont own a single Apple product do you? None of them are on a "forced" yearly upgrade schedule. Apple products receive longer free software updates than any competing devices on the market. They also release less new models than every other manufacturer.

robjulo
Jul 19, 2012, 08:50 AM
Why would they? In recent times the only incentive to buying a new TV was largely size or adding a second unit.

With the advent of so called Smart TV now there's a wider feature-set that users may be accustomed to and 3 years will make a big difference in the "smart" capabilities of the TV.

Sorry, the vast percentage of consumers are not going to swap out a TV every 2-3 years to add features, especially when the large bulk of the Smart features can be had with a $75 Roku box.

ssgrif
Jul 19, 2012, 08:50 AM
My thoughts are that the new "tv" from apple is a smart tv as as such hardware wise refreshes will be around the 2-3 year cycle, simply because apple will look to provide additional functionality with software updates much like it does today with IOS.

hismikeness
Jul 19, 2012, 08:51 AM
I think they are looking at making more money off of content than hardware.

Agreed. If there is a true game changer, I believe it will be with content delivery rather than hardware.

Macman45
Jul 19, 2012, 08:54 AM
My TV upgrade policy is...Buy the latest TV ( just done it a Sony Bravia 46" 3D ) for the living room.

Put the older TV in the bedroom.

Wait for the next MAJOR leap forward for the next upgrade. Since I just bought the Sony, and it's state of the art smart etc. I just couldn't justify the new Apple offering for at least a year.

WRP
Jul 19, 2012, 08:56 AM
I don't believe one needs to research to know that people don't just go out changing their tv's every year like most people do with their ipods/ipads/even macbooks/ and everything apple for that matter.

The MOST PEOPLE are stupid. I have a 5 year old Macbook Pro, 2010 Mac Pro (which I upgraded from Dual G5), I skip every other generation of iphone, have a 5 year old ipod and an original iPad. People who upgrade every year just want the newest shiny thing to puff their chest out, they don't NEED that crap. I bet 99% of the people who upgrade their computer every year have ZERO need to actually do so.

aarond12
Jul 19, 2012, 08:56 AM
I just upgraded my 26" CRT TV, purchased in 1996, in the bedroom to a 32" LCD TV. I'm on the bleeding edge, man! :p

nuckinfutz
Jul 19, 2012, 09:54 AM
Sorry, the vast percentage of consumers are not going to swap out a TV every 2-3 years to add features, especially when the large bulk of the Smart features can be had with a $75 Roku box.

No need to apologize. If you could truly read the future you'd be somewhere else living you life rather than sitting in front of a computer pretending you know what people are going to do the future.

Macman45
Jul 19, 2012, 09:58 AM
I just upgraded my 26" CRT TV, purchased in 1996, in the bedroom to a 32" LCD TV. I'm on the bleeding edge, man! :p

:D wow, you sure stuck with CRT a while..I'll bet you're loving that flat panel...Now try watching a CRT...it will give you an instant headache...I couldn't give my last one away....must have been 8 years ago..a top of the range Philips 32 it weighed a ton.

In the end a buddy took it for his daughter who had just left home. She even refused it, preferring a tiny LCD !

donrsd
Jul 19, 2012, 10:00 AM
The MOST PEOPLE are stupid. I have a 5 year old Macbook Pro, 2010 Mac Pro (which I upgraded from Dual G5), I skip every other generation of iphone, have a 5 year old ipod and an original iPad. People who upgrade every year just want the newest shiny thing to puff their chest out, they don't NEED that crap. I bet 99% of the people who upgrade their computer every year have ZERO need to actually do so.

i upgrade because i have the $$$ to upgrade.

when youre counting pennies, you have to watch what you spend.

i upgrade my iphone every release date and update my ipad every release date.
i wont upgrade my apple tv 2 YET due to no jailbroken apple tv 3.
no mac laptop for me. i dont use my laptop besides to surf the web with a mouse.

theSeb
Jul 19, 2012, 10:06 AM
I wonder if the software updates will make the TV slow to change channels, much like iOS 5 ruined my iPhone 4 experience and iOS 4 ruined my iPhone 3G.

pdafan
Jul 19, 2012, 10:06 AM
Yeah I'm pretty excited about the rumors of apple launching a "retina display/Siri/iTunes integrated/whatever else tv" And yeah I'll probably go out and get it. I currently own an HP Branded 32'' tv. And it's like from 2005, and it works like a charm, it was built by sharp.

I don't believe one needs to research to know that people don't just go out changing their tv's every year like most people do with their ipods/ipads/even macbooks/ and everything apple for that matter.

So what do you think Apple's plan for the TV business is? Somewhat like the Mac Pro?( and by that I mean it's the least they seem to care about when it comes to updating ) I mean people screw their Tv's to walls, do whole room changes to hook it up, it even feels like a pain just talking about it...

So.. Yearly change or maybe 2-3 years refresh?

Thoughts >>>

My thoughts: Revenue not through the sales of the ATV but via the content / Ads.

WRP
Jul 19, 2012, 10:08 AM
i upgrade because i have the $$$ to upgrade.

when youre counting pennies, you have to watch what you spend.

i upgrade my iphone every release date and update my ipad every release date.
i wont upgrade my apple tv 2 YET due to no jailbroken apple tv 3.
no mac laptop for me. i dont use my laptop besides to surf the web with a mouse.

I don't upgrade because I have no need. I make 6 figures, don't own a car and rent an apartment. I have plenty of disposable income but I'd like to retire by 50 to travel the world and that is a better use of my money than new computers every year. Priorities.

theluggage
Jul 19, 2012, 12:46 PM
Um,TV manufacturers release new/updated models every year.You're saying Apple shouldn't??

All other TV manufacturers are on a yearly upgrade cycle. I'm not sure Apple would have to be, but I'm also not sure there is a reason why it would be unusual either.


With the advent of so called Smart TV now there's a wider feature-set that users may be accustomed to and 3 years will make a big difference in the "smart" capabilities of the TV.

Ding! Its about 'smart TV' features. My 2-3 year old Samsung is perfectly good as a TV and as a display for other devices, but the built-in "Smart" features were superseded by new models within a year, with no upgrade path. There have been a few firmware patches (but no significant extra features) and maybe 2-3 new "Apps" that have appeared over its lifetime.

So, while you may be fuming that your first-gen iPad won't be getting iOS 6, the 2 major OS upgrades (and no immediate prospect of getting frozen out of the App store) its had over its lifetime is substantially better than the typical "smart TV".

Also, have you seen the typical level of UI design on TVs and other AV equipment? Apple aren't perfect, but they could eat a handful of ROM chips and puke a better UI than the typical AV product. Why, for example, are they still producing remotes with a gazillion buttons when they could have on-screen menus? Why, when they produce iOS remote control Apps, do they simply re-create the existing 'static' remote instead of adding information displays and mode-sensitive controls? If Apple produce a TV I'd seriously consider it provided:

(a) it had a few Aux HDMI inputs - I don't want to throw away my disc players and PVR just yet.

(b) In the UK, BBC iPlayer is a must - and maybe YouView if it takes off (its a worthy attempt to integrate all the catch-up/ipTV services into something coherent, but has been delayed so long that it might be doomed).

(c) it doesn't have a huge icon for US baseball games stuck on the top-level menu with no option of removing it.

Of course, what would make more sense than a TV with an integrated AppleTV is a big dumb monitor with half-a-dozen HDMI inputs (and maybe a sound system) into which you could plug your $99 AppleTV and other gizmos.

tbrinkma
Jul 19, 2012, 01:21 PM
Why would they? In recent times the only incentive to buying a new TV was largely size or adding a second unit.

With the advent of so called Smart TV now there's a wider feature-set that users may be accustomed to and 3 years will make a big difference in the "smart" capabilities of the TV.

Which is all the more reason to keep the 'smart' part of the TV as a small, inexpensive, easily swapped out component. Much like the current :apple:TV.

If Apple really is doing a TV, it's probably not going to be the 'smart' part of it that makes it 'OMG special amazing!'. On the other hand, I've go absolutely no idea what else it could be, since for the most part a TV is a TV. (But then, the iPhone certainly wasn't what most people expected before it was announced, so what do we know? :p )

Elbon
Jul 19, 2012, 01:25 PM
I don't know a single person who is on a 2-3 year cycle to upgrade their TVs.

Agreed. I'm hoping to get 10 years out of the Sony Bravia flatscreen I bought in 2006. It still works and looks great - why would I replace it?

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Sorry, the vast percentage of consumers are not going to swap out a TV every 2-3 years to add features, especially when the large bulk of the Smart features can be had with a $75 Roku box.

Exactly. To me, a TV is just a monitor that I can plug various devices into. I might want to upgrade those devices periodically to get new features or content, but not the display.

dkersten
Jul 19, 2012, 01:26 PM
I still think a set top box is the way to go, like the current ATV. Let me pick my display (a display should be just that, a display. It shouldn't come with built in components because the screen will far outlast the components inside. Plus, I would be much more willing to pay for a new set top box ever year or two than a TV every two or three, or even four years.

heisenberg123
Jul 19, 2012, 01:32 PM
this could be the most pointless thread of all time

why does sony and samsung make TVs than based on your same arguement?


so apple should only make things that people replace annually? thats pretty funny

nuckinfutz
Jul 19, 2012, 01:35 PM
Which is all the more reason to keep the 'smart' part of the TV as a small, inexpensive, easily swapped out component. Much like the current :apple:TV.

If Apple really is doing a TV, it's probably not going to be the 'smart' part of it that makes it 'OMG special amazing!'. On the other hand, I've go absolutely no idea what else it could be, since for the most part a TV is a TV. (But then, the iPhone certainly wasn't what most people expected before it was announced, so what do we know? :p )

That's the challenge. To me the Apple HDTV has to be more than just an Apple TV integrated into the chassis. It has to offer some fundamental advantages that simply aren't possible with a STB.

takeshi74
Jul 19, 2012, 02:29 PM
Come on, tell the truth: if Apple makes a toilet, you and I are upgrading it every year.
Truth isn't relevant to an imagined scenario.

The MOST PEOPLE are stupid. I have a 5 year old Macbook Pro, 2010 Mac Pro (which I upgraded from Dual G5), I skip every other generation of iphone, have a 5 year old ipod and an original iPad. People who upgrade every year just want the newest shiny thing to puff their chest out, they don't NEED that crap. I bet 99% of the people who upgrade their computer every year have ZERO need to actually do so.
You don't NEED anything you've listed above. Be careful using need as an argument.

:D wow, you sure stuck with CRT a while..I'll bet you're loving that flat panel...Now try watching a CRT...it will give you an instant headache...
Nonsense. I have an XBR970 and it doesn't give me an instant headache.

noiceT
Jul 19, 2012, 03:45 PM
Before Apple started gaining a large influence over everyone via cellphones, notebooks, and such. Upgrading every year was pretty much unheard of. Now its almost the norm.

Size and installation work, all that stuff doesn't matter. If apple markets it correctly, people will change their mindsets and upgrade TV's every year.

Back in the day when I was rocking a motorola razer, and someone said so are you upgrading your phone next year. I would say, "dude, I just bought this phone last year...what are you crazy??"

WRP
Jul 19, 2012, 03:46 PM
You don't NEED anything you've listed above. Be careful using need as an argument.

Actually, I do. Unless I want to go back to bartending I absolutely need those things. Maybe not the ipod or iphone, but the computers and ipad I do for work.

Besides, my point was, even if you need a computer to do your job, you don't need the latest and greatest every year.

CrAkD
Jul 20, 2012, 04:08 AM
I just hope they support all software features for alot longer then ios devices are supported. they can update it every year hardware wise but make sure there is a way to keep the software current for a lot longer.

donrsd
Jul 20, 2012, 09:18 AM
1st off.....why would anyone buy an apple tv if/when the picture doesnt even match that of a crappy looking led/lcd?

forget about matching the quality of a panny plasma......we know that wont happen.

plasma > led/lcd > apple tv set

this is one item i wouldnt buy. i want the best picture quality, not the best features.
i dont even use my tv's "smart features". theres no point to them.

Menel
Jul 20, 2012, 09:27 AM
Yeah I'm pretty excited about the rumors of apple launching a "retina display/Siri/iTunes integrated/whatever else tv" And yeah I'll probably go out and get it. I currently own an HP Branded 32'' tv. And it's like from 2005, and it works like a charm, it was built by sharp.

I don't believe one needs to research to know that people don't just go out changing their tv's every year like most people do with their ipods/ipads/even macbooks/ and everything apple for that matter.

So what do you think Apple's plan for the TV business is? Somewhat like the Mac Pro?( and by that I mean it's the least they seem to care about when it comes to updating ) I mean people screw their Tv's to walls, do whole room changes to hook it up, it even feels like a pain just talking about it...

So.. Yearly change or maybe 2-3 years refresh?

Thoughts >>>
Most people change out iPod/iPad/Macbooks every year? You are seriously delusional.

I'm considered a pretty serious geek in my area, my desktop is a Core2 I built in 2006. My iPod is 4yrs old, my iPhone is from 2010, and there is nothing in the rumors that even tickles my interest about the one this fall. This could be a 3-5 year phone for me.

And those times extend drastically for the vast majority of the population who are not into tech gadgets.

The point. If Apple produces a revised TV every year, the choice to buy it is yours alone.

PM Harold Saxon
Jul 20, 2012, 09:48 AM
Come on, tell the truth: if Apple makes a toilet, you and I are upgrading it every year.

Yeah, definitely.

"Siri, flush." *Toilet flushes* "Leigh, consider me flushed" "Okay, now put the seat down." "Done."

Navdakilla
Jul 20, 2012, 10:40 AM
I agree with everyone in here

Apple released a yearly TV will not work well. At my house we have LCD's from when they first came out, no plans on upgrading.

I prefer the apple tv how it is now, works perfectly for my needs. If only they could come out with apps like rumored. (even without that I am satisfied with my 100$ box)

jonnyz
Jul 20, 2012, 11:58 AM
Apple has basically shown they are a consumer electronics company now, and I'm sure they will behave like one in regards to TVs as well. If you look around the TV marketplace, most companies already do yearly or bi-yearly refreshes to their TV models / lineups, so Apple would be no different there.

As for my TV upgrade cycle? Mine is "the old one broke", and I'm sure some others have that same cycle, yet TVs still manage to sell.

Seamaster
Jul 20, 2012, 12:39 PM
Probably a 2-3 year cycle for a HDTV. People don't upgrade every year but that doesn't matter as they don't upgrade their computers every year either.

I got 12 years out of my last Sony Trinitron Wide.

I only bought a new TV when a new broadcast/media technology (HD) required it. Otherwise, I'd have kept that damn thing till it died.

spiderman0616
Jul 20, 2012, 02:20 PM
Being the recent purchaser of an Apple TV (gen 3), I see more potential in that hardware than I do a full blown TV. With Apple TV, Apple can turn ANY TV into an Apple TV. Samsung is making smart TVs? Apple can say "Who cares? Attach an Apple TV to it and it becomes ours again!"

I switched from a Roku to an Apple TV simply because everything else I do is in iOS and I wanted something that would interface better with all my content. There are others who would do the same. I think the current Apple TV is a terrific little media hub and they should focus their TV efforts on that. If Apple can get the content deals in place that they need, I think that they can disrupt the entire cable industry with a little black hockey puck sized Apple TV.

I think the skeptics are right, and I can't imagine that Apple isn't well aware of that. Who is going to buy a TV a year? Almost nobody.

BaldiMac
Jul 20, 2012, 02:34 PM
My theory for Apple's business model around an Apple TV would be that they will sell an Apple-branded display panel with an integrated dock for something similar to the current Apple TV box. The box would be useable with any HDTV, but could integrate with the Apple display for a better experience. The box could take advantage of various sensors or a FaceTime camera and allow direct control of the display including power, volume, settings, etc.

This way, you can upgrade the box every few years while keeping the more expensive display around for much longer.

iEvolution
Jul 20, 2012, 02:43 PM
Unless there is some great deals on content packaging with the Apple TV I just simply do not see it posing a threat in the market. Of course the same thing was probably said about the iPod, iPad and iPhone.

Content packaging is going to be the key to success since the prices with satellite and especially cable have gotten so ridiculously out of hand.

Aldaris
Jul 20, 2012, 02:49 PM
It is easier for apple to infiltrate the family room with a $99 iOS device than a $1000+ television set. As well as a lot more feasible for a regular upgrade/update cycle for consumers.

Furthermore, why on earth do we need a retina tv? there is no content for consumers at such a resolution, and apple just within the last year started to support 1080p for iTunes content... I don't think that is on the horizon yet.

Irishman
Jul 20, 2012, 03:21 PM
Yeah I'm pretty excited about the rumors of apple launching a "retina display/Siri/iTunes integrated/whatever else tv" And yeah I'll probably go out and get it. I currently own an HP Branded 32'' tv. And it's like from 2005, and it works like a charm, it was built by sharp.

I don't believe one needs to research to know that people don't just go out changing their tv's every year like most people do with their ipods/ipads/even macbooks/ and everything apple for that matter.

So what do you think Apple's plan for the TV business is? Somewhat like the Mac Pro?( and by that I mean it's the least they seem to care about when it comes to updating ) I mean people screw their Tv's to walls, do whole room changes to hook it up, it even feels like a pain just talking about it...

So.. Yearly change or maybe 2-3 years refresh?

Thoughts >>>

I don't see Apple selling an HDTV with things as they are.

macs4nw
Jul 20, 2012, 11:03 PM
It is easier for apple to infiltrate the family room with a $99 iOS device than a $1000+ television set. As well as a lot more feasible for a regular upgrade/update cycle for consumers.

Agreed. I too believe that the rumored Apple TV will be an add-on to existing tv's with the accent being on content delivery and the user experience. There is a lot of room for improvement in those areas. It just makes a lot more sense. Maybe the future will prove me wrong.

sperry1988
Jul 21, 2012, 07:35 PM
I highly doubt Apple is going to release a "Retina" TV. If they release a TV it will most likely be 1440p, which they may consider "Retina"

steve-p
Jul 22, 2012, 04:13 AM
I don't upgrade because I have no need. I make 6 figures, don't own a car and rent an apartment. I have plenty of disposable income but I'd like to retire by 50 to travel the world and that is a better use of my money than new computers every year. Priorities.
Renting somewhere to live is probably not the best use of your money though. It's not going to get you something you can rent out while travelling, or sell to fund it. I do respect your position apart from that though. I also spent a period of time keeping costs down with one goal: owning my house outright as early as possible, which I had achieved by 35. Since then, almost all my income is disposable. Life is much different with no rent or mortgage to pay. So I do update my Apple gear regularly nowadays even though I don't really need to. I have actually updated the main TV twice in the last three years, too. I'm still not particularly interested in an Apple branded TV set however. Apple TV as a separate box that you can add to any TV works better for me.

xlii
Jul 22, 2012, 06:13 PM
Why would they? In recent times the only incentive to buying a new TV was largely size or adding a second unit.

With the advent of so called Smart TV now there's a wider feature-set that users may be accustomed to and 3 years will make a big difference in the "smart" capabilities of the TV.

Instead of buying a new TV to keep up with the "Smart" improvements you can buy a box to connect to your HDTV via hdmi. Many blu ray players now come with Apps and a USB bus you can use to connect an external disk drive. Plus both the Apple TV and the Roku (which I own) add functionality to older or less expensive HDTVs.

P4G
Jul 22, 2012, 10:51 PM
As a consumer I agree, I am much happier keeping my AppleTV separate from my TV and having them on different life cycles. But isn't the problem for Apple that someday Samsung (and other tv manufacturers) make the Apps on their tv good enough to replace the AppleTV. That will mean that 1) Apple will start to lose iTunes tv revenue and 2) will take away some of the unique advantages of the iPhone over Android phones.

So it may be that Apple has to do this as a defensive ploy to protect their revenue streams...

iMacFarlane
Jul 23, 2012, 09:04 AM
Come on, tell the truth: if Apple makes a toilet, you and I are upgrading it every year.

The iFlush. It'll be their #2 seller.

dgalvan123
Jul 23, 2012, 11:04 AM
. . .Since I just bought the Sony, and it's state of the art smart etc. I just couldn't justify the new Apple offering for at least a year.

Avoiding the first version of a new product is probably a good idea anyway.

The first iPhone was very nice, but it didn't have GPS or 3G. And the price point was way too high and was adjusted down by $200 (33% of the original $600 price!) within two months.

Since Apple has a business model (at least within the last 10 years) of being a game-changer and introducing what turn out to be revolutionary products (whether they deserve to be or not), I always wait for the next version of the hardware before jumping in so they can work out all the bugs. Kudos to you who are early-adopters for taking the risk, which I am unwilling to do. You are the ones who prove to Apple there is a reason to make a version 2.

dgalvan123
Jul 23, 2012, 11:32 AM
. . .But isn't the problem for Apple that someday Samsung (and other tv manufacturers) make the Apps on their tv good enough to replace the AppleTV. That will mean that 1) Apple will start to lose iTunes tv revenue and 2) will take away some of the unique advantages of the iPhone over Android phones.

So it may be that Apple has to do this as a defensive ploy to protect their revenue streams...

This.

Apple has several options:
1. Sell the Apple TV software pre-installed on hardware TVs, partnering with a TV manufacturer like Samsung, Sony, LG, or whoever. Knowing Apple they'd probably negotiate with the partner such that they would brand the entire unit as an Apple product, even though Apple doesn't make the TV hardware itself, just the software. Upgrades to the software would be available via online-download.
2. Partner with a satellite content company like Dish or DirecTV to bundle Apple TV set top boxes (or "DishDVR's with Apple TV software") with their service, since satellite services are national).
3. Keep selling Apple TV set top boxes at low cost without partnering with everyone, and keep calling it a "hobby". This allows them to keep researching the ideal solution, while not allowing themselves to be compared to other TV content providers because Apple can claim they "are just hobbyists".

At the All Things Digital seminar a couple years ago, Steve Jobs talked about the challenges of Apple moving into the TV business, saying that the content providers (Cable companies) had produced a "Balkanized" landscape. That is, the cable companies had monopolies in different geographical regions. When asked by an audience member if Apple could partner with a content provider to sell Apple TVs (set top boxes or television sets) at a subsidized rate (like Apple did with the iPhone by partnering with AT&T). Jobs responded that there was no TV content provider that was nation-wide. (That's not completely true: while cable districts are indeed balkanized, DirectTV and Dish Network have nationwide coverage. Apple could potentially partner with one of them and get nationwide availability.)

Also, those companies typically offer DVR set-top boxes for small monthly fees, making it less attractive for a consumer to purchase a premium set-top box. (That is, if you're already paying for cable TV, and they offer you a DVR box for $5/month, it doesn't make much sense for you to buy a premium DVR box like Tivo for $100+ because it will be 20+ months before you recoup your costs, and by then the technology you bought may be obsolete anyway.)

So, if Apple wants to play in the TV content/hardware business, they indeed need to come up with some way to bundle their product ("content":the iTunes Store, "hardware": Apple TV set top box functionality including AirPlay and Home Sharing) in a way that it will make sense for consumers to buy it.

Personally, I have a 37 inch 1080p Sharp TV in my living room that is ~6 years old. I also have a 27 inch Sharp CRT in my bedroom, which is ~12 years old. I have Apple TV's hooked up to both of them. I do enjoy not having the Apple TV functionality built into the TV set, but on the other hand if Apple does put out an integrated set in the next couple years, I may grab one for my living room, move my 37 inch into the bedroom, and get rid of the 27 inch CRT.

Death-T
Jul 23, 2012, 11:42 AM
Hopefully Apple doesn't become too involved with the TV industry. If they were making TVs 10 years ago they probably would have tried to patent High-Def. :rolleyes: My small Apple TV-media box does everything I need it to--I'll let Sony, Samsung, et al make my TVs.