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Rufuss Sewell
Jul 21, 2012, 07:48 PM
It seems to me the main way Android is one-upping the iPhone is in selection. And one of the main factors of selection is screen size.

Apple fans are historically into tininess, so offer an iPhone that looks like the long iPod nano and offers phone, iPod and limited app functionality. Would that be so hard? It would sell like hotcakes at $99 or even $49 subsidized.

Then offer an upgraded version of the current iPhone as is expected.

THEN kill the Android market with a massive 4.8" quad core 128gb, 3gb ram 3 day battery for those who don't wear tight pants.

Don't tell me about fragmentation. App devs will jump on making apps for both the new models.

Then build in some pretty widgets and a bit more customisation and it's game over.

I just don't see the point of limiting people to one size of phone. They don't with iMacs, MBs, iPods, and it's looking like the iPad will be available in two sizes. The iPhone needs it the most out of those I'd say.



MacDawg
Jul 21, 2012, 07:52 PM
Stranger things have happened I suppose, but I don't see this happening
Nor do I see a need for it personally

Apple isn't about chasing the competition and offering every conceivable choice
They are very deliberate about what they do

A smaller iPad is no a certainty either, only a possiblity based on rumors

I would be disappointed to see Apple move in this direction myself

Wafflausages
Jul 21, 2012, 08:10 PM
The thing is though, their computers/tablets are aimed at different types of people. Either for casual use, school, or work. I don't think you could have a phone succeeding so well when its catered either for casual, school or work and imo the iPhone's use is catered to how people want to use it.

Rufuss Sewell
Jul 21, 2012, 08:11 PM
It's not chasing the competition. It's following the same model they use for every other mature product they sell.

ucfgrad93
Jul 21, 2012, 08:13 PM
Stranger things have happened I suppose, but I don't see this happening
Nor do I see a need for it personally


I don't think Apple would do that, and like you I don't see a need for it.

Fresh1
Jul 21, 2012, 08:21 PM
Apple won't cave due to what their competition does. They're the ones that competition copies from, not the other way around.

dejo
Jul 21, 2012, 08:24 PM
It seems to me the main way Android is one-upping the iPhone is in selection.

It's not chasing the competition.

Sounds like that what you were saying to me.

labman
Jul 21, 2012, 08:29 PM
look what Aoole does with just it's few models vs the Android Army. Seems to me they know what they are doing.

ET iPhone Home
Jul 21, 2012, 09:04 PM
I, somewhat agree, there should be a range of offerings, if a range means two choices (not just in colors). I say this, only because, when you see the next person next to you holding an iPhone, my first reaction is, "Oh they chose either (black or white).", never wondering if the have the 8GB, 16GB, 32GB, or 64GB".

There's so many that have an iPhone. It sort of lost it's cachet.

boomhower
Jul 22, 2012, 10:07 AM
Not going to happen. I don't see Apple ever offering more than one new model. They will keep older stuff in production but only offer a single new model.(form factor wise at least)

MacDawg
Jul 22, 2012, 10:14 AM
There's so many that have an iPhone. It sort of lost it's cachet.

If that is why people buy an iPhone then let them move on I say

Technarchy
Jul 22, 2012, 10:26 AM
Apple won't cave due to what their competition does. They're the ones that competition copies from, not the other way around.

Apple has no reason to chase the competiton because they are in the defeated position.

RedCroissant
Jul 22, 2012, 10:42 AM
It seems to me the main way Android is one-upping the iPhone is in selection. And one of the main factors of selection is screen size.

Apple fans are historically into tininess, so offer an iPhone that looks like the long iPod nano and offers phone, iPod and limited app functionality. Would that be so hard? It would sell like hotcakes at $99 or even $49 subsidized.

Then offer an upgraded version of the current iPhone as is expected.

THEN kill the Android market with a massive 4.8" quad core 128gb, 3gb ram 3 day battery for those who don't wear tight pants.

Don't tell me about fragmentation. App devs will jump on making apps for both the new models.

Then build in some pretty widgets and a bit more customisation and it's game over.

I just don't see the point of limiting people to one size of phone. They don't with iMacs, MBs, iPods, and it's looking like the iPad will be available in two sizes. The iPhone needs it the most out of those I'd say.

I would disagree. I think Apple fans are usually into simplicity of design, ease of use, and capability as opposed to making everything as tiny as possible The iPod shuffle is a good example of what Apple fans like that caused Apple to change it's design to reincorporate the buttons.

The version of the iPhone you though of would be cool if it could be made into a prepaid version that would work on any network, but I don't see people passing up a full-featured device for one with limited capabilities. That idea would work better for a newer iPod nano in my opinion.

And even though you said not to tell you about fragmentation, it would be an issue. Sure, people would jump n the app wagon to write apps for a smaller and less-capable device, but then the consumer would still get a more limited device in terms not just limited to functionality or capability.

I'm with you on the widgets though, and I would like to see that implemented like it is in OS X, but twits those processes running in the background, you would still end up eating away at battery life.

And as far as limiting the consumers to one size of phone, who's to say that Apple won't leave the 4S out there in addition to whatever size phone they release next? Then people would still have more choices and they don't have to waste money coming up with a smaller iPhone like phone.

ecwhite4S
Jul 22, 2012, 10:43 AM
I doubt they'd offer different sizes ever. It doesn't seem like a move Apple would make.

sk1wbw
Jul 22, 2012, 10:44 AM
It seems to me the main way Android is one-upping the iPhone is in selection. And one of the main factors of selection is screen size.



Screen sizes are not a feature of Android.

RedCroissant
Jul 22, 2012, 11:04 AM
I have a 16GB iPod Nano touch screen that cannot use the apps that are available for other devices because its capabilities are limited due to its size and desired function. Unless Apple writes more apps for it or includes others in a software update, I'll have the same 6 apps on there for as long as I own the device.

I also don't see too many developers creating iPod nano specific apps....but then again, I wouldn't expect as much since I knew what I was going to use it for and what its capabilities were when I bought it.

lordofthereef
Jul 22, 2012, 11:15 AM
Apple isn't about chasing the competition and offering every conceivable choice
They are very deliberate about what they do



While I agree, to an extent, they certainly give you choice with their Mac line, or at least a lot more choice than they do with phones and tablets.

The real question is how multiple iOS phone sizes would impact the market. I honestly think it could go either way, really.

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And to mention fragmentation that does exist within the Apple ecosystem.. I have a 16GB iPod Nano touch screen that cannot use the apps that are available for other devices because its capabilities are limited due to its size and desired function. Unless Apple writes more apps for it or includes others in a software update, I'll have the same 6 apps on there for as long as I own the device.


I don't know that this is REALLY a fair comparison. The iPod nano never was intended for applications. It's not a mini computer, as are the iPhone, and iPod touch. It's an mp3 player, with some additional features built in.

When talking fragmentation, I personally like to talk about Apple's cherry picking certain features in upcoming OS updates that will only run on certain hardware. One example might be Siri. Apple states a lot of this is due to hardware limitation. I personally suspect otherwise.

Technarchy
Jul 22, 2012, 11:28 AM
When talking fragmentation, I personally like to talk about Apple's cherry picking certain features in upcoming OS updates that will only run on certain hardware. One example might be Siri. Apple states a lot of this is due to hardware limitation. I personally suspect otherwise.

What you are describing is not close to be being fragmentation.

Until Apple releases an API for Siri that forks development into Siri and non-Siri apps, it's not fragmentation no matter how much you want it to be.

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And to mention fragmentation that does exist within the Apple ecosystem.. I have a 16GB iPod Nano touch screen that cannot use the apps that are available for other devices because its capabilities are limited due to its size and desired function. Unless Apple writes more apps for it or includes others in a software update, I'll have the same 6 apps on there for as long as I own the device.

I also don't see too many developers creating iPod nano specific apps....but then again, I wouldn't expect as much since I knew what I was going to use it for and what its capabilities were when I bought it.

Don't buy an MP3 player and pretend it's a smart device...problem solved.

thewitt
Jul 22, 2012, 11:29 AM
Not going to happen.

MacDawg
Jul 22, 2012, 11:39 AM
While I agree, to an extent, they certainly give you choice with their Mac line, or at least a lot more choice than they do with phones and tablets.

The real question is how multiple iOS phone sizes would impact the market. I honestly think it could go either way, really.

It is hard to compare the Mac lineup to the mobile device lineup IMO
But, I think the trend in their Mac offerings is towards more consolidation than expanded offerings

The Mac laptops seem to be converging
And Apple seems to be wavering on the direction of their desktops somewhat
But even so, the difference between laptops and desktops is a big gap and not specific to expanded choices

The iPhone does offer choices:
They are still selling 3 different models, the 3GS, the 4 and the 4s
They sell different colors
They sell different storage choices

Offering different screen sizes for the iPhone doesn't seem to be in the cards
And I think it would serve to dilute their brand more than expand their market
The iPhone is iconic, and one can identify it immediately out in the wild
I see other phones and have no idea what they are
But that is just speculation and opinion on my part
I'm sure they have put much more thought into than I have :)

willmtaylor
Jul 22, 2012, 12:06 PM
It seems to me the main way Android is one-upping the iPhone is in selection. And one of the main factors of selection is screen size.

Apple fans are historically into tininess, so offer an iPhone that looks like the long iPod nano and offers phone, iPod and limited app functionality. Would that be so hard? It would sell like hotcakes at $99 or even $49 subsidized.

I just don't see the point of limiting people to one size of phone. They don't with iMacs, MBs, iPods, and it's looking like the iPad will be available in two sizes. The iPhone needs it the most out of those I'd say.

To me these arguments are reminiscent of those people were making regarding why Apple needed to be in the netbook market. "Apple needs to diversify." " Apple needs to address its competitors." "Apple's products are becoming stale."

Yet, Apple's laptop profits & market share are reaching new heights almost every quarter, and everyone else is scrambling to catch up (ie. look at all of the MacBook Air copycats).

Apple makes missteps, yes, but they're not known for chasing specs and appealing to the lowest common denominator to make everyone happy; it's just not who they are.

RedCroissant
Jul 22, 2012, 12:17 PM
Don't buy an MP3 player and pretend it's a smart device...problem solved.

Come on, man. Did you read my post to see that I didn't expect smart device capabilities when I bought it? I knew what I was buying and why.

Tones2
Jul 22, 2012, 12:23 PM
Boy you iphone fanatics REALLy need to try a 4.8" Android phone. You just keep saying the SAME THING over and over. Won't fit in pocket, fragmentation, one hand use, better ecosystem, etc etc. After owning a S3 for 2 weeks, these arguments seem absolutely insane and completely naive.

In the pocket the S3 feels much LIGHTER than on an iphone. I'm 5'7" and can easily reach the entire phone with my left hand only. Fragmentation? Pff..in actuallity every single Android app that I wanted works flawlessly on my S3 - and I have now over 100+ apps. The apps just adapt to the screen size like they do in a PC. Ecosystem? Well, I was able to replace pretty much every iPhone app I had with an equal OR BETTER Android app, and I was able to easily sync my iTunes library to my phone with iSyncr. Not to mention being able to swap 64GB microsd cards and batteries and also have USB flash drives, SD cards, keyboards and a lot of other stuff work in the microUSB slot. And I'm not going to even talk about how utra cool it is to have an actual FILE SYSTEM and be able to see flash video in the browser, which works flawlessly despite all the kooky arguments against it (hey it WORKS without a hiccup and does not eat my battery excessively nor crash my system, and those are FACTS).

The iPhone is a good phone. But the screen size and lack of removal storage is going to put it at a disadvantage in the near future. Of course it will still sell and we all know WHY - look at the people defending this dated phone for some reason in this thread. But if you guys just kept an open mind and listen to suggestion like the OP had and push Apple to listen to consumer requests, the iPhone would be a BETTER phone. It just would. Until then, Apple as always will give you the minimum amount of new technology to get you to buy the new phone but hold back enough to make you buy the next phone. Come on - we ALL know that at this point. A slightly taller 4" phone? Give me a break. Note that this is with a different aspect ratio that woul fragment the market according to your own arguments, he he. But I guess it's OK when APPLE does it.

As for me, I cold care less at this point. The S3 is truly remarkable, for me at least. But be happy in your ignorant bliss. :)

Technarchy
Jul 22, 2012, 12:25 PM
Come on, man. Did you read my post to see that I didn't expect smart device capabilities when I bought it? I knew what I was buying and why.

Oh, and your initial assesment is not "fragmentation in the Apple ecosystem" either.

The Touch Nano is not on the same product line branch as OSX and iOS 5/6

Technarchy
Jul 22, 2012, 12:32 PM
Come on, man. Did you read my post to see that I didn't expect smart device capabilities when I bought it? I knew what I was buying and why.

That wasn't a pointed comment. It was just a general response to people that buy the "wrong tool for the job".

MacDawg
Jul 22, 2012, 12:35 PM
<snip long post about Android/S3/etc.>

Glad you are enjoying your phone as much as some of us enjoy our iPhone

itsmemuffins
Jul 22, 2012, 12:38 PM
It seems to me the main way Android is one-upping the iPhone is in selection. And one of the main factors of selection is screen size.

Apple fans are historically into tininess, so offer an iPhone that looks like the long iPod nano and offers phone, iPod and limited app functionality. Would that be so hard? It would sell like hotcakes at $99 or even $49 subsidized.

Then offer an upgraded version of the current iPhone as is expected.

THEN kill the Android market with a massive 4.8" quad core 128gb, 3gb ram 3 day battery for those who don't wear tight pants.

Don't tell me about fragmentation. App devs will jump on making apps for both the new models.

Then build in some pretty widgets and a bit more customisation and it's game over.

I just don't see the point of limiting people to one size of phone. They don't with iMacs, MBs, iPods, and it's looking like the iPad will be available in two sizes. The iPhone needs it the most out of those I'd say.

If you want all that crap then get an Android because that's what Android is, all that crap.

RedCroissant
Jul 22, 2012, 12:39 PM
That wasn't a pointed comment. It was just a general response to people that buy the "wrong tool for the job".

no worries, I thought that you just didn't read my post. And as far as my fragmentation argument, I was obviously not making the best comparison but my thought was that the apps on the nano are the same apps in other iOS devices but that the device's limitations make it so that other iOS apps wouldn't be able to run on it.

b166er
Jul 22, 2012, 05:39 PM
I agree all the way. They should keep making the same size they have now, and make a larger "pro" version for the supernerds. That being said, I would bet actual money on them not doing this. At least not this year, and probably not for at least a few years.

People who want larger screens have a few very nice Android devices to go to. Samsung is killing it lately. I don't mind the screen size on my iPhone at all, but if/when I decide I want something bigger I know where to look.

DanteMann
Jul 22, 2012, 06:02 PM
I'm not sure why people try to even say loyal Apple customers like simple clean designs, like small screens, etc... Bottom line is it DOESN'T MATTER. We all know the loyal Apple customer will buy ANYTHING Apple puts out. History shows the fanatic Apple customer flip flops with their opinion when it suits them and Apple. How can anyone say otherwise. Although if the speculation is true, Apple is indeed following the competition. They are increasing the screen size of the iPhone. Something SJ and Apple have been against. They may also be offering a 7 inch iPad, again, something unlike Apple. So there is no doubt they recognize their competition and need to up their game.
BUT the typical Apple customer, will just move on to something else if they don't like the next iDevice. As typical customers, we ALL GET BORED with the same thing over and over. It's the Die Hards that will buy anything from Apple. And Apple has a lot of Die Hards. Now that smartphones have plateaued along with the maturing of Android, typical shoppers are seeing there are better/equal OPTIONS for their changing needs.

lordromanov01
Jul 22, 2012, 06:09 PM
Having a small, simple product line is what Apple is all about. That is what rejuvenated them back when Jobs took over again.

Plus I don't think they are exactly suffering at the moment due to not offering enough choice.

jsbaugh
Jul 22, 2012, 06:22 PM
Boy you iphone fanatics REALLy need to try a 4.8" Android phone. You just keep saying the SAME THING over and over. Won't fit in pocket, fragmentation, one hand use, better ecosystem, etc etc. After owning a S3 for 2 weeks, these arguments seem absolutely insane and completely naive.

In the pocket the S3 feels much LIGHTER than on an iphone. I'm 5'7" and can easily reach the entire phone with my left hand only. Fragmentation? Pff..in actuallity every single Android app that I wanted works flawlessly on my S3 - and I have now over 100+ apps. The apps just adapt to the screen size like they do in a PC. Ecosystem? Well, I was able to replace pretty much every iPhone app I had with an equal OR BETTER Android app, and I was able to easily sync my iTunes library to my phone with iSyncr. Not to mention being able to swap 64GB microsd cards and batteries and also have USB flash drives, SD cards, keyboards and a lot of other stuff work in the microUSB slot. And I'm not going to even talk about how utra cool it is to have an actual FILE SYSTEM and be able to see flash video in the browser, which works flawlessly despite all the kooky arguments against it (hey it WORKS without a hiccup and does not eat my battery excessively nor crash my system, and those are FACTS).

The iPhone is a good phone. But the screen size and lack of removal storage is going to put it at a disadvantage in the near future. Of course it will still sell and we all know WHY - look at the people defending this dated phone for some reason in this thread. But if you guys just kept an open mind and listen to suggestion like the OP had and push Apple to listen to consumer requests, the iPhone would be a BETTER phone. It just would. Until then, Apple as always will give you the minimum amount of new technology to get you to buy the new phone but hold back enough to make you buy the next phone. Come on - we ALL know that at this point. A slightly taller 4" phone? Give me a break. Note that this is with a different aspect ratio that woul fragment the market according to your own arguments, he he. But I guess it's OK when APPLE does it.

As for me, I cold care less at this point. The S3 is truly remarkable, for me at least. But be happy in your ignorant bliss. :)


Couldn't agree with you more. I'm a huge Apple fan but switched to the S3 and love the thing. Perfect size and weight for a phone. My main problem with Android was the OS was laggy and not very smooth overall, but that has changed over the past year. After having a phone with a larger screen I have a hard time looking at the iphone. It just doesn't cut it anymore.

Technarchy
Jul 22, 2012, 06:37 PM
At the rate these rumors are progressing, the next iPhone will be larger, so that will give two tiers right there.

New iPhone, and iPhone 4S...take your pick.

entatlrg
Jul 22, 2012, 06:46 PM
I sincerely hope Apple does offer two sizes of iPhones.

Reason being screen size has proven to be a very personal choice.

It would make consumers happy and I don't see how in anyway it could hurt Apple's market share in the phone business.

Win-win.

Rufuss Sewell
Jul 22, 2012, 06:49 PM
I'd really like a larger screen.

BUT I tried out the SG3 and it's still laggy. Feels utterly crappy and cheap. And has an over saturated cartoon looking joke of a screen.

Not to mention it would take a lot to get me to buy all my apps again and reorganise my life for a new system.

The iPhone still seems much further ahead as far as high quality design and smooth interface.

And I don't mind jailbreaking to get extra functionality. Which seems to be 98% of the Android argument.

I just want an iPhone with a much larger screen. It seems like a ton of other people do too. That's not to say that I expect it'll happen.

ixodes
Jul 22, 2012, 06:53 PM
Apple followers usually play back the company line.

If Apple makes it, they proclaim it magical. If Apple condems it, they back them & say the same.

If later Apple changes their mind, the followers do a u-turn and loudly agree.

Apples about being dictatorial & closed. Opinionated and inflexible.

I really like the great majority of Apple products, it's the frequent episodes of hypocrisy that are a glaring characteristic of Apples operation.

If we can have size choices in laptops, we can have just two iPhones. Small & large. The weak & well worn excuse of how hard it would be on developers is pure BS. Apple sells in such massive quantities, the developers would fall all over themselves to create apps.

Besides, since when does Apple care about anyone they do business with except to grind them for the lowest pricing. They're learning from Walmart.

Apple let's their ego get in the way. If Android didn't have large spacious displays, Apple would introduce them in the same way they always do. Claiming they're Magical & Revolutionary. The masters of smoke & mirrors marketing rules through high volume & fat margins.

The possibilities are endless, but only if Apple says so. Once they offer it, the Apple faithful go out of their way to elevate it to religion.

It's a very successful formula. I give Apple a lot of credit for amassing the amazing amount of control they have over their user base, and general public.

ecwhite4S
Jul 22, 2012, 07:18 PM
I dont understand why people come onto iPhone forums and boast about how the latest Android phone blows the iPhone away, or about how Android offers more features and is more customizable or how Android has bigger screens and blah blah blah. If we wanted all of that, we would have an Android. But we have iPhones. It's all falling on deaf ears because we don't care about your Android. But it seems that you guys care an awful lot about iPhones to take the time to obsessively post on a forum and try and convince us that your phone is better than ours. If you like your phone, that's great. I like my phone too. We obviously have different wants/likes.

And to be honest, I am no Apple "fan boy" or whatever they are called. I have a 2009 Dell Laptop, a Phillips Mp3 player, and my 4S is the first iPhone I have ever had. I appreciate Apple because they are independent. You can find nearly any other phone maker with an Android phone, makes it a bit generic.

You just cant beat the iPhone when it comes to simplicity, the user interface/experience, the ease of use, and last but not least it's sleek, beautiful shell.

I'm loving my jailbroken 4S. I can do loads with it. I don't even look at Android phones and wish I had one to be honest. I am not saying they are inferior, just not for me.

Technarchy
Jul 22, 2012, 07:21 PM
Apple followers usually play back the company line.

If Apple makes it, they proclaim it magical. If Apple condems it, they back them & say the same.

If later Apple changes their mind, the followers do a u-turn and loudly agree.

Apples about being dictatorial & closed. Opinionated and inflexible.

I really like the great majority of Apple products, it's the frequent episodes of hypocrisy that are a glaring characteristic of Apples operation.

If we can have size choices in laptops, we can have just two iPhones. Small & large. The weak & well worn excuse of how hard it would be on developers is pure BS. Apple sells in such massive quantities, the developers would fall all over themselves to create apps.

Besides, since when does Apple care about anyone they do business with except to grind them for the lowest pricing. They're learning from Walmart.

Apple let's their ego get in the way. If Android didn't have large spacious displays, Apple would introduce them in the same way they always do. Claiming they're Magical & Revolutionary. The masters of smoke & mirrors marketing rules through high volume & fat margins.

The possibilities are endless, but only if Apple says so. Once they offer it, the Apple faithful go out of their way to elevate it to religion.

It's a very successful formula. I give Apple a lot of credit for amassing the amazing amount of control they have over their user base, and general public.


I think your credibility was shot once you boasted of not trusting Apple since Wozniak was there...which I am sure predates your first Mac purchase which according you was in the 90's...

b166er
Jul 22, 2012, 08:28 PM
Apple does flip flop their stance. But it's just the name of the game. They may speak out against a certain tech at first because they have to justify their reasons for not using it. Then they sit back and let other companies do the R&D for them. They see what works and what doesn't. Then they make it their own, give it a new name, and sell it. I believes this to be true when it comes to the screen size as well. Apple is rarely the first to do something, but they are often the first to make a newer tech viable and marketable. There are exceptions of course but in general I think there philosophy is to let people experience tech one way, and them introduce them to a newer, streamlined version.

Sedrick
Jul 22, 2012, 08:59 PM
The iPhone does offer choices:
They are still selling 3 different models, the 3GS, the 4 and the 4s
They sell different colors
They sell different storage choices



I would disagree that the 3 different models are 'choices'. They're older, outdated models that are cheaper. No one would 'prefer' the older models over the new if they weren't $.99.

Storage and colors I would agree with.

sulpfiction
Jul 22, 2012, 10:34 PM
Boy you iphone fanatics REALLy need to try a 4.8" Android phone. You just keep saying the SAME THING over and over. Won't fit in pocket, fragmentation, one hand use, better ecosystem, etc etc. After owning a S3 for 2 weeks, these arguments seem absolutely insane and completely naive.

In the pocket the S3 feels much LIGHTER than on an iphone. I'm 5'7" and can easily reach the entire phone with my left hand only. Fragmentation? Pff..in actuallity every single Android app that I wanted works flawlessly on my S3 - and I have now over 100+ apps. The apps just adapt to the screen size like they do in a PC. Ecosystem? Well, I was able to replace pretty much every iPhone app I had with an equal OR BETTER Android app, and I was able to easily sync my iTunes library to my phone with iSyncr. Not to mention being able to swap 64GB microsd cards and batteries and also have USB flash drives, SD cards, keyboards and a lot of other stuff work in the microUSB slot. And I'm not going to even talk about how utra cool it is to have an actual FILE SYSTEM and be able to see flash video in the browser, which works flawlessly despite all the kooky arguments against it (hey it WORKS without a hiccup and does not eat my battery excessively nor crash my system, and those are FACTS).

The iPhone is a good phone. But the screen size and lack of removal storage is going to put it at a disadvantage in the near future. Of course it will still sell and we all know WHY - look at the people defending this dated phone for some reason in this thread. But if you guys just kept an open mind and listen to suggestion like the OP had and push Apple to listen to consumer requests, the iPhone would be a BETTER phone. It just would. Until then, Apple as always will give you the minimum amount of new technology to get you to buy the new phone but hold back enough to make you buy the next phone. Come on - we ALL know that at this point. A slightly taller 4" phone? Give me a break. Note that this is with a different aspect ratio that woul fragment the market according to your own arguments, he he. But I guess it's OK when APPLE does it.

As for me, I cold care less at this point. The S3 is truly remarkable, for me at least. But be happy in your ignorant bliss. :)

Quite frankly, I think the S3 feels like garbage from a build standpoint, and IMO the screen is too large. I'm 6'2 and I cannot comfortably reach the entire screen with one hand. Ive been curios about it ever since it was launched and finally got a chance to use my friends for an extended period of time. It's a nice phone and I'm sure some people love it. But for me, wasn't anything special and definitely not even close to temp me to switch over. I'm more then happy being "ignorant" and waiting for the next iPhone. But either way, I'm happy ur enjoying it. To each his own.

buddgeez
Jul 23, 2012, 01:57 AM
Let's face it, if apple had different size ranges like OP said, then people would still buy it. People crack me up on this forum when they try to say there is no need for things like that but yet you guys would be the first ones camping out in front of an apple store if apple did have things like that.

anti-microsoft
Jul 23, 2012, 02:07 AM
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/07/19/panzarino-3gs

Tones2
Jul 23, 2012, 07:19 AM
Quite frankly, I think the S3 feels like garbage from a build standpoint, and IMO the screen is too large. I'm 6'2 and I cannot comfortably reach the entire screen with one hand. Ive been curios about it ever since it was launched and finally got a chance to use my friends for an extended period of time. It's a nice phone and I'm sure some people love it. But for me, wasn't anything special and definitely not even close to temp me to switch over. I'm more then happy being "ignorant" and waiting for the next iPhone. But either way, I'm happy ur enjoying it. To each his own.

Sorry but I don;t buy this. If you are 6'2" you would have no issues with using the phone with one hand. I have it in my hands right now and I can reach every element of the screen with my small hands. And why would your friend let you use it for "an extended period of time"? I can't think of a single scenario this would happen, unless your extended period of time is like 15 minutes. Because if you had it for several days, you would know that the build quality is absolutely fine and the iPhone starts to feel like a heavy brick in your hands and pocket. Oh well, I know I'll never convince these people to REALLY try the S3 instead of just folling around with it for several minutes. And I've had every single iPhone since the first through the 4S and stil have the 4S. I'm only saying what is true with LONG TERM comparisons.

cynics
Jul 23, 2012, 07:35 AM
I sincerely hope Apple does offer two sizes of iPhones.

Reason being screen size has proven to be a very personal choice.

It would make consumers happy and I don't see how in anyway it could hurt Apple's market share in the phone business.

Win-win.

That is a lot more overhead for apple. Look at all the parts salvaged from the 4 to the 4S. This was their "new model", if they do that for their new model then I can't imagine them making to different phones at the same time.

I have a 4S so I'm not too concerned with what they do. However I'd be more interested to see sales figures of the 3.5" screen model versus a larger screen model if sold at the same time. Finally put the "which screen size do people want" argument to rest.

sulpfiction
Jul 23, 2012, 07:40 AM
Sorry but I don;t buy this. If you are 6'2" you would have no issues with using the phone with one hand. I have it in my hands right now and I can reach every element of the screen with my small hands. And why would your friend let you use it for "an extended period of time"? I can't think of a single scenario this would happen, unless your extended period of time is like 15 minutes. Because if you had it for several days, you would know that the build quality is absolutely fine and the iPhone starts to feel like a heavy brick in your hands and pocket. Oh well, I know I'll never convince these people to REALLY try the S3 instead of just folling around with it for several minutes. And I've had every single iPhone since the first through the 4S and stil have the 4S. I'm only saying what is true with LONG TERM comparisons.

My "extended" use of the S3 was long enough for me to know that I wasn't missing anything. And believe me, im not trying to bash it in any way. It's just not for me. I don't like the plastic, light feel. Being light isn't an asset to me when it comes to phones. How can u say that the iPhone is a heavy brick?..come on now. The iPhone is quality built. The S3 can't even compare at all. Not even a little.
And I don't care how big ur hands are. There is no way u are reaching the entire screen with one hand without sliding it down in ur palm a bit, or twisting the phone to reach it. Im all for a bigger screen on the next iPhone, but not that big. 4" is perfect for me. I'm unsure about the 16:9, but the more I see the renders, the more I think I'll like. We'll see. I'm glad u love ur phone. That's all that matters. I just don't really like it.

MacDawg
Jul 23, 2012, 07:49 AM
Let's face it, if apple had different size ranges like OP said, then people would still buy it. People crack me up on this forum when they try to say there is no need for things like that but yet you guys would be the first ones camping out in front of an apple store if apple did have things like that.

This is another of those straw man criticisms of people who enjoy certain Apple products
It continues to get trotted out in threads all over the forum when there is no real substance to contribute to a discussion

RedCroissant
Jul 23, 2012, 11:13 AM
Just like both Technarchy and I said, if the next iPhone is larger, they will already have different sizes and then more choices for consumers. Because of this, this thread is going nowhere since Apple's future plans will make the OP's dreams of multiple iPhone choices come true.

I'm looking forward to seeing if the rumors of the headphone jack being on the bottom is true, because I think that would make sense for the way I use it.

buddgeez
Jul 23, 2012, 12:19 PM
This is another of those straw man criticisms of people who enjoy certain Apple products
It continues to get trotted out in threads all over the forum when there is no real substance to contribute to a discussion

Whatever dude, I don't even no what the hell your talking about.

lordofthereef
Jul 23, 2012, 02:04 PM
What you are describing is not close to be being fragmentation.

Until Apple releases an API for Siri that forks development into Siri and non-Siri apps, it's not fragmentation no matter how much you want it to be.

Or maybe it is fragmentation no matter how much you don't want it to be? :rolleyes:

At the end of the day, fragmentation is just a word. How the consumer feels about the product is what matters, right? What about the removal of other features? I can argue that if you buy the device Google intends you to buy (those which run stock Android), there is no fragmentation in Android, you will continue to receive timely updates, and Apps will "just work" as well.

My point? The fragmentation argument is so, so, SOOOOOOO overplayed by the Apple/iOS crowd it's not even funny. People love to use the fact that because Android gives you so many hardware and software choices, it is fragmented. To an extent, that's true. If you want to toss away that choice and get Google's flagship device which launches once a year (same as Apple) you are going to get a comparable experience in terms of the dreaded "fragmentation" and updates that Android is so often criticized for.

Technarchy
Jul 23, 2012, 02:23 PM
Or maybe it is fragmentation no matter how much you don't want it to be? :rolleyes:

At the end of the day, fragmentation is just a word. How the consumer feels about the product is what matters, right? What about the removal of other features? I can argue that if you buy the device Google intends you to buy (those which run stock Android), there is no fragmentation in Android, you will continue to receive timely updates, and Apps will "just work" as well.

My point? The fragmentation argument is so, so, SOOOOOOO overplayed by the Apple/iOS crowd it's not even funny. People love to use the fact that because Android gives you so many hardware and software choices, it is fragmented. To an extent, that's true. If you want to toss away that choice and get Google's flagship device which launches once a year (same as Apple) you are going to get a comparable experience in terms of the dreaded "fragmentation" and updates that Android is so often criticized for.

Fragmentation is real, and it's a problem. It just so happens that it doesn't fit your narrative so you prefer to classify it as "overplayed", which is akin to burying one's head in the sand.

Or how about a visual aid for what development has to contend with...no wonder android apps tend to be inferior to iOS...There is no target. It's more like whack a mole.

http://www-bgr-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/android-fragmentation-visualization.jpg

http://www.tmonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Screen-Shot-2012-07-03-at-9.10.42-AM.png

lordofthereef
Jul 23, 2012, 02:35 PM
Fragmentation is real, and it's a problem. It just so happens that it doesn't fit your narrative so you prefer to classify it as "overplayed", which is akin to burying one's head in the sand.

Or how about a visual aid for what development has to contend with...no wonder android apps tend to be inferior to iOS...There is no target. It's more like whack a mole.


Your abrasive choice of words makes having a discussion really difficult with you.

The stats you presented exist because people are choosing Android devices that are not sold running stock Android. I'd also be interested in seeing what percentage of those devices were inexpensive "pay as you go" devices. My point is, buy stock Android, and your problem is solved.

As far as app inferiority, do you have some examples? It certainly was the case 12+ months ago. I certainly don't agree with that assessment anymore.

And I didn't say fragmentation didn't exist. Now you are simply putting words in my mouth. What I said (now the third time), is buy stock ANDROID MUCH LIKE YOU BUY STOCK iOS, and your fragmentation woes are left in the dust.

Technarchy
Jul 23, 2012, 03:17 PM
...buy stock ANDROID MUCH LIKE YOU BUY STOCK iOS, and your fragmentation woes are left in the dust.

Yeah, that's what I thought when I had a Nexus S 4G, didn't quite turn out that way now did it...

Between Google not having an ICS update ready until after other phones got it 6 months later, and them dumping CDMA support, then changing their minds, there is no safety under the Nexus banner...

And what happened to the Nexus One, which was dumped after only 1 major update...

lordofthereef
Jul 23, 2012, 04:47 PM
Yeah, that's what I thought when I had a Nexus S 4G, didn't quite turn out that way now did it...

Between Google not having an ICS update ready until after other phones got it 6 months later, and them dumping CDMA support, then changing their minds, there is no safety under the Nexus banner...

And what happened to the Nexus One, which was dumped after only 1 major update...

I guess I was referring to the GSM models, sorry. Nexus One, was dumped after one update. iPhones and the 3G were also dumped after two. As per my own statement, that doesn't automatically make things ok. What I am saying is, going forward, we can expect 3+ version updates on Google's flagship devices just like we can expect 3+ version updates on Apple's devices.

FWIW I am not trying to argue. I am just trying to say that, going forward, Google flagship devices should be a pretty good choice in terms of those who are wanting updates, that's all. I am not here to try and drag any OS through the mud. That's just silly and all it does is cause arguments. I am here to discuss, not argue.

EDIT: I didn't mean to write all that in caps/ The capslock on the Mac keyboard is a terrible placement for me :/

batting1000
Jul 23, 2012, 04:53 PM
I guess I was referring to the GSM models, sorry. Nexus One, was dumped after one update. iPhones and the 3G were also dumped after two. As per my own statement, that doesn't automatically make things ok. What I am saying is, going forward, we can expect 3+ version updates on Google's flagship devices just like we can expect 3+ version updates on Apple's devices.

EDIT: I didn't mean to write all that in caps/ The capslock on the Mac keyboard is a terrible placement for me :/

The Nexus One didn't even get one "major" update as in a whole number change. It shipped with Android 2.1 and was only upgraded to 2.2 then 2.3.

The iPhone 3G shipped with iOS 2.0 and it's final update was iOS 4.2.1. So essentially, the 3G got 2 major updates, a more smaller updates in between.

You could argue that iOS and Android handle updates differently (Google seems to think of major updates as 0.x updates whereas Apple thinks of a major update as a whole new number), but you get the picture.

lordofthereef
Jul 23, 2012, 06:26 PM
The Nexus One didn't even get one "major" update as in a whole number change. It shipped with Android 2.1 and was only upgraded to 2.2 then 2.3.


Google does "version update numbers" differently than Apple (and, well, everyone it seems). 2.3 WAS a major update. I agree, their numbering system is pretty stupid, but that's beside the point.

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You could argue that iOS and Android handle updates differently (Google seems to think of major updates as 0.x updates whereas Apple thinks of a major update as a whole new number), but you get the picture.

Yes, that is the exact argument I am making. :)

I can call something Android 14.8.3.6.4 if I wanted to. The numbering doesn't matter, at all. It is the content within the OS that matters. Google "screwed the pooch" early on with their numbering system. Thei'r "saving grace" is that the names give a pretty good indication of "true" version jumps (ie froyo>gingerbread>ICS, etc.) I suppose it is more comparable to they way OSX version update works. 10.6 is very different than 10.7 !0.7 different than 10.8, etc. But "nobody" knows it as a number. Everyone knows it as a "big cat" much like everyone knows Android as a "sweet treat".

Ddyracer
Jul 23, 2012, 08:19 PM
Google does "version update numbers" differently than Apple (and, well, everyone it seems). 2.3 WAS a major update. I agree, their numbering system is pretty stupid, but that's beside the point.

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Yes, that is the exact argument I am making. :)

I can call something Android 14.8.3.6.4 if I wanted to. The numbering doesn't matter, at all. It is the content within the OS that matters. Google "screwed the pooch" early on with their numbering system. Thei'r "saving grace" is that the names give a pretty good indication of "true" version jumps (ie froyo>gingerbread>ICS, etc.) I suppose it is more comparable to they way OSX version update works. 10.6 is very different than 10.7 !0.7 different than 10.8, etc. But "nobody" knows it as a number. Everyone knows it as a "big cat" much like everyone knows Android as a "sweet treat".

Well said. I wish apple and Google would just call their OS by name. Much easier to remember.

mousouchop
Jul 25, 2012, 08:44 AM
I'm not sure why people try to even say loyal Apple customers like simple clean designs, like small screens, etc... Bottom line is it DOESN'T MATTER. We all know the loyal Apple customer will buy ANYTHING Apple puts out. History shows the fanatic Apple customer flip flops with their opinion when it suits them and Apple. How can anyone say otherwise.

/cut

This is not always the case. I love technology and most of the Apple products I own, but do I love all Apple products? No. I think the 11" MBA is a terrible form factor, though undoubtedly Apple's response to the netbook market. I HATE Lion, and subsequently ML (still running SL on my 4 year old MBP). I see no use for the iPad and prefer the iPod Classic over an iPod Touch.

That being said, I really hope that they DON'T change the screen size on the next iPhone iteration. But alas, all signs seem to point to this being the case.