What is really wrong with the Democratic Patry....

[Backtothemac]

Well, there has been a lot of ideas about the recent historic election that took place. The main question is what is wrong with the Democratic party? Well, here is my take. The Party has become weak because it is attempting to represent too many people and agendas. They have no real identy and do know "stand" for anything. They have become a pack of watered down moderates, and ultra left wacko's that are out of touch with what the American People want. George Bush may not have had a mandate by the American People after the 2000 election, but he does now.

The Repbulican agenda will get pushed through the Congress, and we will find out whether George is a genius, and right, or an idiot that should not govern. I am betting on the first, but you all knew that.

Be careful what you wish for Mr. President. Now the entire world will be watching to see what you can do with power.

[Ovi]

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[diorio]

Originally posted by Ovi


well said.

very well said. The democrats are trying to reach out to everyone and are finding out that they cannot do it. The republican party on the other hand hasn't really changed its stance on any of the major issues.

[alex_ant]

I actually agree with you for once, B2tM. However, I wouldn't say the president has a mandate from the people. The majority of Americans didn't vote, probably due to distaste with the political system and a notion that it would be hopeless to try to change it, and I believe a good portion of those who did vote voted for the least undesirable candidates they could find, and those candidates happened to be Republicans.

[diorio]

Originally posted by alex_ant
The majority of Americans didn't vote, probably due to distaste with the political system and a notion that it would be hopeless to try to change it,

It's sad that so few people vote. They think that their vote doesn't matter or they don't like the system. If everyone voted than the system might change, it might not. Hopefully after this election more people will vote.

[Ovi]

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[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by diorio
It's sad that so few people vote. They think that their vote doesn't matter or they don't like the system. If everyone voted than the system might change, it might not. Hopefully after this election more people will vote.

bingo, that's why it's even more important to vote when you don't like the system. i almost didn't vote this year, only cause i wasn't sure my registration carried over properly. but i did. if you love the system, no reason to try to change it/vote.

anyone know voter turnout stats at all? as in, did more % vote in 2000 or 96 or 92, etc... i'm assuming that more people vote in general during the presidential elections......

[Ovi]

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[jelloshotsrule]

what is it generally for presidentials? higher i guess. and how did 2000 compare to previous ones?

i suppose i COULD look it up myself....

[Sun Baked]

There is nothing wrong with the Democratic Party if you're a Republican ...

[Choppaface]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
The Repbulican agenda will get pushed through the Congress, and we will find out whether George is a genius, and right, or an idiot that should not govern. I am betting on the first, but you all knew that.

"right" is a relative term and does not hold value in a community with diverse opinions. please explain

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Well, there has been a lot of ideas about the recent historic election that took place. The main question is what is wrong with the Democratic party? Well, here is my take. The Party has become weak because it is attempting to represent too many people and agendas. They have no real identy and do know "stand" for anything. They have become a pack of watered down moderates, and ultra left wacko's that are out of touch with what the American People want. George Bush may not have had a mandate by the American People after the 2000 election, but he does now.

The Repbulican agenda will get pushed through the Congress, and we will find out whether George is a genius, and right, or an idiot that should not govern. I am betting on the first, but you all knew that.

Be careful what you wish for Mr. President. Now the entire world will be watching to see what you can do with power.

actually, well said bttm

i think bush will not get passed as much as he wants though

only time will tell

for the sake of you, me, and everybody in this country...let us all get out of this recession soon

i will gladly vote for him if he makes iraq disarm peacefully and our economy goes up

[diorio]

Originally posted by Ovi
voter turnout was 38% I believe. more than last midterm election. overall one of the best in a long time.

38% and one of the best in a long time. To be honest, that sucks. Of course it's not like you can force someone to the voting place, force a pencil into their hand and force them to color in the little boxes. They have to decide that it is important enough for them to do it. Of course, maybe it's better that more people don't vote. Less of a wait to vote, and not as many people expressing their opinion. It would probably be about the same results if everyone voted, like Ovi said, but there is always that one vote that changes everything...

[3rdpath]

is there a difference between the parties anymore?

shouldn't we just call them the republicrats and be done with the two-party illusion...

they've all sold out to big business... taken money from enron and other corps( who, of course, expect "nothing" in return)...they've all squandered the first surplus the federal government has had in many years...approved pork barrel projects to pay back their big contributers...ad infinitum

its not surprising voter turn-out is so low. not that i condone apathy...thats certainly not the answer.

the answer is to take responsibility on a local level and don't depend on the politicians to have your best interests in mind...

[Ovi]

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[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Ovi
you are a democrat who kinds of wants to be a republican but feels guilty.

that is the best I can do with your post

Wow. Insightful. :rolleyes:

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Ovi
you are a democrat who kinds of wants to be a republican but feels guilty.

that is the best I can do with your post

you are a democrat who feels the need to label and bunch everyone you come across into a group with a nice little label. you want to be like martha stewart, type up little labels and everything, but that would make you feel like less of a man, and more of well, a woman.

that is the best i can do with your continued generalizations.

[Ovi]

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[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Ovi
it is way past your bed time.:D

thanks mom.

that fits, what with the whole martha stewart thing...

[Ovi]

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[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Ovi
if this was not the democratic agenda for 2002 than what was.

you guys make me laugh:D

who cares if it was the democratic agenda? i don't. since the democrats have sold out just as much as the republicans. 3rdpath was saying they are one in the same, ie, he doesn't much like republicans either.

don't put words and labels on people when it doesn't even fit. it's getting so old.

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
thanks mom.

that fits, what with the whole martha stewart thing...
Hey, wait a minute...

If Ovi is your mother...

I just engaged in steamy hot loving with your grandmother last night! Eeeeew!

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by alex_ant
Hey, wait a minute...

If Ovi is your mother...

I just engaged in steamy hot loving with your grandmother last night! Eeeeew!

Thank you for that delicious mental image right before bed...:( :eek:

[Abercrombieboy]

I am a Democrat and proud of it. Make fun of me if you want, but it is a free country and that is my beliefs and choice.

[3rdpath]

Originally posted by Ovi


you are a democrat who kinds of wants to be a republican but feels guilty.

that is the best I can do with your post

well, at least you gave it your best...its good to know one's own capabilities.

but my friend, you are incorrect.

[Ovi]

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[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by 3rdpath
but my friend, you are incorrect.

the funny thing is, i thought you made it pretty clear you aren't a democrat in your post... oh well


and alex... that's cool man. cause you ARE like 75 right? right? please say yes.....

[Toucansma]

Hi,

I would like to comment on a few things. First off if 100 percent of the eligible voters, did vote it would be a democratic win (Republicans tend to go out and vote during any condition compared to Democrats for some reason). Its all a study that the more educated a person is, the more left and democratic they are (yes obviously there are exceptions). If you do not believe any of this , refer to studies at The Eagleton Institute, CBS, University of Chicago, Yale, etc. I also find it interesting that with a horrible economy, bad job market, crippling medicaid/medicare, poor enviromental measures, etc and the people still vote back the same people... odd. Its just not a nice thought that one party has near total control and few ways to have checks and balances against them (minus filibusters, etc). Either way I can say I have no faith in George, but hopefully everything turns out alright.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Toucansma
Hi,

I would like to comment on a few things. First off if 100 percent of the eligible voters, did vote it would be a democratic win (Republicans tend to go out and vote during any condition compared to Democrats for some reason). Its all a study that the more educated a person is, the more left and democratic they are (yes obviously there are exceptions). If you do not believe any of this , refer to studies at The Eagleton Institute, CBS, University of Chicago, Yale, etc. I also find it interesting that with a horrible economy, bad job market, crippling medicaid/medicare, poor enviromental measures, etc and the people still vote back the same people... odd. Its just not a nice thought that one party has near total control and few ways to have checks and balances against them (minus filibusters, etc). Either way I can say I have no faith in George, but hopefully everything turns out alright.

fewer than 1/4 of americans have a 4 year college degree (almanac) and only a few percent have an associates and a few percent have beyond the bachelor's...that makes for a small number

i think even if the vast majority of those people vote democratic, as i have seen, the dems still need to support their main base of blue collar and working class voters who i think the republicans stole over the last twnety years

the most important migration of voters to the GOP have been white lower and middle class men who used to be more on the dems and unions' side of things

southern voters used to be democrats but not always social liberals and the dems need to get some of those voters back, too

[Quark]

Let's get this one thing straight:

ALL PARTIES ARE "DEMOCRATIC" PARTIES.

The Democrat party is the Democrat party.
The Republican party is the Republican party.
The Independent party, the Green party, the Liberterian party.

This is a democratic system, not a Democrat system.

Go Republicans!!

[SPG]

I've been steadily losing faith in the American people's intelligence. Politics have become so, well... political, that too many people don't see how the outcomes of the sound bites really affect their lives. Why in the world would a blue collar worker vote for the party that is willing to make it easier to ship their job off to another country? Oh wait, that was the Democratic president that supported NAFTA. Now where do they go? A tax cut! I will give you money if you vote for me, and I'll make business grow too! Doesn't sound so bad, does it? REALITY CHECK. The tax cut was about $300 dollars for the average worker? Bigger question is what are you really getting for your tax dollars to the federal government? The republicans will always carry on about welfare queens and other myths, but what about the corporate welfare? Billions given to companies who then use the money to relocate jobs to third world countries?
The middle class is dissapearing while the rich get richer, how does that serve the average voter?

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by SPG

The middle class is dissapearing while the rich get richer, how does that serve the average voter?

it doesn't and when the average middle class american, a very politically centrist group sees this, the pendulum will come back in their favor

when the middle class saw themselves shrinking after reagan's unseccessful long term trickle down theory, voters put in clinton in 92 and 96

some think clinton and his blue dog democrats were too right wing and may have let down a lot of their original base

if that original base were given some say, i don't think nader would have run or taken so many votes and the democrats would have taken the 2000 election...but still be a very narrow margin

i think clinton let down the homosexual population, the liberal wing of the medical reformists, the people who pushed for medical marijuana, and some members in the afl-cio who were against nafta which george bush sr started and clinton finished

a few too many members of the liberal wing of the democratic party got pissed off and either didn't vote or went ralph nader

a similar thing happened in 92 and 96 when ross perot took more GOP people away from the two party election than democrats...he did take away large numbers of both, but his non trickle down theory populist rhetoric really worked and was worth an oustanding 20 million votes

[Durandal7]

I have to wonder if a lot of the Democrat's problems in this election came from the way they composed themselves. It seems to me that the Wellstone funeral/rally may have hurt the Democrat party in several key races, namely Minnesota. It doesn't really matter as the Democrats will probably take the Senate back in 2004.

[Toucansma]

Let's get this one thing straight:

ALL PARTIES ARE "DEMOCRATIC" PARTIES.

The Democrat party is the Democrat party.
The Republican party is the Republican party.
The Independent party, the Green party, the Liberterian party.

This is a democratic system, not a Democrat system.

Go Republicans!!
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fewer than 1/4 of americans have a 4 year college degree (almanac) and only a few percent have an associates and a few percent have beyond the bachelor's...that makes for a small number
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My reply

I was merely using the word democratic to describe the democrat party(the whole party) not that fact the country is democratic (as its a republic as well :-) .

To the second part. Is that 1/4 of all adults, 1/4 of the population(total), etc. I was stating 100 percent of the eligible voters.

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by Durandal7
I have to wonder if a lot of the Democrat's problems in this election came from the way they composed themselves. It seems to me that the Wellstone funeral/rally may have hurt the Democrat party in several key races, namely Minnesota. It doesn't really matter as the Democrats will probably take the Senate back in 2004.
It actually wasn't a funeral - the funeral was earlier. I think the worst thing to happen to Democrats was Wellstone's death, period. He had fire and an independent streak that inspired people to vote for him. When he died, the passion and the energy and the hope for the future kind of faded a bit. Mondale was no replacement.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by alex_ant

It actually wasn't a funeral - the funeral was earlier. I think the worst thing to happen to Democrats was Wellstone's death, period. He had fire and an independent streak that inspired people to vote for him. When he died, the passion and the energy and the hope for the future kind of faded a bit. Mondale was no replacement.

Actually, on the national level, I have to say that 90% of Americans had never heard of Paul Wellstone. When he died, it did not do anything to races in other states. When the democrats made total asses out of themselves there, that did however have an effect on the races. People saw them for what they were. Opportunists!

When Sonny Bono died was it a political rally? NO! Class, that is the biggest thing lacking from the Democratic party right now. Class.

[wdlove]

When you mention the Democrats class, they are the party of the lower class of our society, non-english speakers, immigrants, lower educated, unions, & inner city!

[SPG]

Originally posted by wdlove
When you mention the Democrats class, they are the party of the lower class of our society, non-english speakers, immigrants, lower educated, unions, & inner city!

You say this like it's a bad thing!
Seriously though, what do you have against non english speakers, immigrants, "lower educated", unions, & "inner city".
What are you? Your english skills don't seem to be perfect, so maybe you are an immigrant, a non english speaker, or just less educated?
Suburban white elitist living in fear of anyone different? Bigot? How do those labels feel?
Pretty spiteful stuff coming from someone with "love" in their handle wdlove.

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by SPG
You say this like it's a bad thing!
Seriously though, what do you have against non english speakers, immigrants, "lower educated", unions, & "inner city".
What are you? Your english skills don't seem to be perfect, so maybe you are an immigrant, a non english speaker, or just less educated?
Suburban white elitist living in fear of anyone different? Bigot? How do those labels feel?
Pretty spiteful stuff coming from someone with "love" in their handle wdlove.
Well, really, he has a point. Who wants to vote for a party associated with uneducated chinks & spics who can't even speak English? The Republicans are the only party that represents good, honest, hard-working Christian American values. (Not lazy n-gger values)

[SPG]

Preemptive quote by wdlove:
Yeeeeeehaaaaa! Less go roun em up an shooot em! Den der wont be no mo problems fo nun of us! You don like dat? Go back to rusha, ya no good commy!

[Rower_CPU]

LOL!

I was hoping people would just ignore the flamebait, but this is even better!

Although, I'm sure he's too busy chasing his sister/cousin/mother/aunt/grandmother to reply to any of this. ;)

[job]

Ironically, you guys are taunting one of your own.

This guy is a Democrat. :rolleyes:

Or am I wrong? I'm not too sure now that I went back and read some of his previous posts. He says he wants to see them promote Polosi more...I dunno...I give up...

Meanwhile the supposedly hot-headed, bigoted, racist, Republican sits back and makes a simple, non-biased post in the midst of a lot flamebait..

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by hitman
Ironically, you guys are taunting one of your own.

This guy is a Democrat. :rolleyes:

Or am I wrong? I'm not too sure now that I went back and read some of his previous posts. He says he wants to see them promote Polosi more...I dunno...I give up...

Meanwhile the supposedly hot-headed, bigoted, racist, Republican sits back and makes a simple, non-biased post in the midst of a lot flamebait..

Nevermind, you edited it. I doubt he's anything but a troll...and I doubt they vote for anyone.

[wdlove]

I would hope that our immigrants today would aspire to be like immigrants of the past. They came here to be Americans, "tell me what the rules are." Learn English, get a job, & pay taxes.

[SPG]

Originally posted by wdlove
I would hope that our immigrants today would aspire to be like immigrants of the past. They came here to be Americans, "tell me what the rules are." Learn English, get a job, & pay taxes.

Do you mean like the white immigrants of the past?

[job]

Originally posted by SPG
Do you mean like the white immigrants of the past?

Does it really matter if they are white, black, or purple with yellow dots? :rolleyes:

[SPG]

Originally posted by hitman


Does it really matter if they are white, black, or purple with yellow dots? :rolleyes:

Well, that is my point exactly, but when someone says that today's imigrants aren't as good as the imigrants we hated in the good old days, they usually mean that todays imigrants are Mexican, Black, Asian, and not English speaking Europeans.

[wdlove]

There are also blacks immigrating to our country that want to know the rules. They learn English, get an education, & become productive citizens, the American Dream. As Martin Luther King, Jr. said "I dream of the day when a man is judged by his character & not the color of his skin."

[SPG]

And Dr King would still be dreaming if he were alive today.

[diorio]

Originally posted by SPG
And Dr King would still be dreaming if he were alive today.

True, while prejudice will continue to lessen as time wears on, there will always be some, no matter how little. Everyone is prejudiced against someone, or something. Someone will tell you that they are not prejudiced against anyone, but that isn't true. It is impossible, for subconsiouslessly, all that we have picked up from friends, family, and experience come into play. Dr. King wasn't as great as everyone saw him to be, though he was still an excellent civil rights activist.

[job]

Originally posted by SPG
And Dr King would still be dreaming if he were alive today.

I doubt there will ever be a time where we can all get together in a perfect social utopia and sing "We are the world" or "Kumbaya" or some sh*t like that.

As long as there are opinions, there will always be prejudice and racial tensions. Face it, the human race is not perfect.

[SPG]

Granted, racism is present. The only reason this came up was that the cryptic wdlove mentioned the problem with today's immigrants vs. immigrants of the past which I took as being a subtle way of announcing his/her bigotry. I don't think I'm very far off base in this assumption based on previous posts, and I haven't heard a denial yet.

[wdlove]

The Democrats have had it bad the last 2 weeks lost the election, Patriot Act, & Homeland Security!

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by wdlove
The Democrats have had it bad the last 2 weeks lost the election, Patriot Act, & Homeland Security!

I actually think that the Homeland Security initiative is fairly positive, except for a few shortcomings:
The legislation cleared a pivotal hurdle Tuesday morning when the Senate defeated 52-47 an amendment to strip out of the legislation what Democrats called seven "special-interest" provisions.

The controversial provisions, which include liability protections for pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies that develop anti-terrorism technologies, had been inserted into the legislation by House Republicans and approved by the House last week.

Republicans won the Senate vote on those provisions only after assuring some moderates they would work to eliminate three of them next year.

"We will work with senators on both sides of the aisle and the House to make some corrections and clarification," Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, told reporters.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/11/19/homeland.security/index.html

[wdlove]

New party McDemocrats, Mcain has been siding with the Democrats alot. On The new Homeland Security Bill, he's upset about a provision to protect vaccine maker against lawsuits; example Small Pox. Complainning that the Republicans are just protecting their constitiutents. The Democrats want to protect their long time constitutents lawyers, it would hurt their income, deter their ability to sue (get 10 - 50% off the top).

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by wdlove
New party McDemocrats, Mcain has been siding with the Democrats alot. On The new Homeland Security Bill, he's upset about a provision to protect vaccine maker against lawsuits; example Small Pox. Complainning that the Republicans are just protecting their constitiutents. The Democrats want to protect their long time constitutents lawyers, it would hurt their income, deter their ability to sue (get 10 - 50% off the top).

whether it's the right trying to protect their "companies" or the left trying to protect "lawyers", both sides need to protect the free world from terrorists first

...but being that we are talking about washington dc, it will be politics as usual

so if we lose a few people in the next terrorist attack, or a lot of people, the politicians who have the power will protect and care about their special interests first

politicians are in theory supposed to look out for us, but in reality, they look out for themselves and that thinking pushes out the truly honest politicians who do not fit

people like carter on the left and mccain on the right will never stay in the white house two terms, if they can even get there in the first place

[mcrain]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
whether it's the right trying to protect their "companies" or the left trying to protect "lawyers", both sides need to protect the free world from terrorists first

You don't really believe that the left's opposition to tort reform and legislation to eliminate certain causes of action is to protect lawyers do you?

The right proposes tort reform and such legislation to prevent a company that has injured someone gravely from being too severely hurt by a jury's award. On the other hand, the left wants the little guy who was injured to receive just compensation for his/her injuries.

The trial lawyers typically side with the left (not the other way around) because their livelihood is derived from the percentages off those big cases.

I would gladly trade off the huge jury awards against doctors for lower cost healthcare, but we all know that even if you eliminated those awards, reducing medical malpractice insurance costs and overhead, the cost of healthcare wouldn't change a bit. The doctors, hospitals, drug companies, etc... would eat up any cost savings.

So, the right supports tort reform which would benefit corporations, doctors, hospitals, drug companies, and insurance companies (their constituants and big contributors), while the left does not support tort reform, but does (sometimes) support nationalized healthcare.

I'm only saying the above as commentary without (much) opinion, and to try to demonstrate that neither side gives a rats a** about us lawyers. In fact, most everyone can't stand us. But, when a group of lawyers (e.g. trial lawyers) supports something or is against something, people assume that the side they are siding with is somehow supporting lawyers. This is particularly funny considering most every other type of lawyer (other than trial lawyers) often side with, or support, conservative views. However, you see enough bad things and bad deals in your time, you begin to look for the elusive fair play and overall fairness.

Anyway, that's my lil rant for the day.

[wwworry]

Originally posted by wdlove
New party McDemocrats, Mcain has been siding with the Democrats alot. On The new Homeland Security Bill, he's upset about a provision to protect vaccine maker against lawsuits; example Small Pox. Complainning that the Republicans are just protecting their constitiutents. The Democrats want to protect their long time constitutents lawyers, it would hurt their income, deter their ability to sue (get 10 - 50% off the top).

So what incentive is there for the drug companies to take mercury out of the vaccines they sell?

The problem with this legislation is that the drug companies are protected even if THEY KNOW they are selling bad vaccines. My question thus is: How would you feel if the guy who built your stairs knew they would only last a year. The stairs break after a year and you get paralized. You're out of work. You can't walk and the carpenter is not penalized. You'd probably want to sue.

What then if you found out that the carpenter donated huge amounts of money to the legislator who made the law so that you could not sue the carpenter? Would you be happy that a lawyer could not make any money off your case?

Some jury awards are crazy, yes. But some companies will do anything they can just to protect their a$$es. It is easy to say they should just do the right thing but it would be a hard law to make.

[wdlove]

Sen. Tom Daschle had a real meltdown today, may need psychological help. Blammed the conservative talk show hosts for all his problems. The problem is really no plans offered by the Democrats. The scarey part is that if they get power back, their goal to to end talk shows.

[wwworry]

Originally posted by wdlove
their goal to to end talk shows.

the write shows don't go so well for the right.

Election Gives Drug Industry New Influence in Congress
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/21/politics/21DRUG.html

[wdlove]

McCain is not on the right, I wish he still was a conservative. Election reform was a 1st step to restrict the 1st admendment.

The Democrats are blamming everyone else for their losses, not taking a look at themselves & the message. After the Republican loss in 1992 they took a hard look at themselves & their message, not play the blame game.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by wdlove
Election reform was a 1st step to restrict the 1st admendment.


What? How do you figure that? Don't tell me that it is taking away your freedom of speech. People don't understand that freedom of speech means you can speak out against your government. it doesn't mean that you can buy the white house.

[sturm375]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


What? How do you figure that? Don't tell me that it is taking away your freedom of speech. People don't understand that freedom of speech means you can speak out against your government. it doesn't mean that you can buy the white house.

The current reform measuers prohibit 3rd party commercials for/against canadats within 60 days of an election, and 30 before a primary. That prohibits freedom of speech.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by sturm375


The current reform measuers prohibit 3rd party commercials for/against canadats within 60 days of an election, and 30 before a primary. That prohibits freedom of speech.

Um, no, that limits and prohibits the ultra rich in certain districts from buying their election though soft money contributions. Canidate advertisements are not protected by the freedom of speech in this case. The bill (law) provides the stipulation that is quoted, and again, no right is absolute!

[sturm375]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Um, no, that limits and prohibits the ultra rich in certain districts from buying their election though soft money contributions. Canidate advertisements are not protected by the freedom of speech in this case. The bill (law) provides the stipulation that is quoted, and again, no right is absolute!

I don't know if you're a "ditto-head", but if you are, Rush would argue with you. He has repeatedly said that it is a violation of free speech. This is one time that I'm in agreement with Mr. Limbaugh.


Hypethetical Situation:
it's less than 60 days from an election. A local politition meets with me, and makes a statement that if elected they will do X. I don't want that to happen, and want to alert others to this fact. I could have paid for a newspaper add to state this, or advertise on local radio/tv, but now I can't.


In an ideal situation, I'd suggest we get rid of all corporate lobbiest, as well as union lobbiest. I'd also suggest that each elected official get audited by the IRS, along thier office, every year. Do not allow corporate/union monies into politics at all. Allow unlimited donations by individuals (ie personal checks), annonomasly(sp?). If anyone in the campaign knows about who donated what, that amount of money is given back imeadiatly.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by sturm375


I don't know if you're a "ditto-head", but if you are, Rush would argue with you. He has repeatedly said that it is a violation of free speech. This is one time that I'm in agreement with Mr. Limbaugh.


Hypethetical Situation:
it's less than 60 days from an election. A local politition meets with me, and makes a statement that if elected they will do X. I don't want that to happen, and want to alert others to this fact. I could have paid for a newspaper add to state this, or advertise on local radio/tv, but now I can't.


In an ideal situation, I'd suggest we get rid of all corporate lobbiest, as well as union lobbiest. I'd also suggest that each elected official get audited by the IRS, along thier office, every year. Do not allow corporate/union monies into politics at all. Allow unlimited donations by individuals (ie personal checks), annonomasly(sp?). If anyone in the campaign knows about who donated what, that amount of money is given back imeadiatly.

Mega dittos, but no, not on this subject. The law allows to to write Op Ed pieces, or to take out an add in your own interest, but not in the interest of a candiate. You could say what you don't like about that person from a political standpoint, but not recommend another candidate. That is fair in my opinion. Personally, I think that their should not be any TV ads. They are about mud slinging, and read like an episode of Jerry Springer.

When I run for office, and I will, I will run on the issues. Not the person I am running against. I will not drop to that level.

[Durandal7]

It seems odd to me that Daschele would blame the election losses on Limbaugh. Did he not think that one through? He has pretty much said that Limbaugh has more power over election results then the Democrat party. It seems like a silly move to me. It would be like George Bush losing an election and saying it was because of Barbra Streisand.

[wdlove]

Daschel's basic fear is that he will loose his income! The taxpayer is paying his salary.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by wdlove
Daschel's basic fear is that he will loose his income! The taxpayer is paying his salary.

Really? I thought it was the special interests and lawyers who were paying his salary...
;)

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Really? I thought it was the special interests and lawyers who were paying his salary...
;)

They make big contributions to his re-election campaign & the DNC. Thereby influencing his opinions!

[wdlove]

Racism: the practrice of racial discrimination, persecution, etc., based on racialism.

Racialism: a doctrine or feeling of racial antognisms, with reference to supposed racial supperority or puritiy; racial prejudice, hatred, or discrimination.

Discrimination: the act of making or percieving differences & distictions, showing of favortiism in treatment.

Websters New World Dictionary of the American Language 1967 edition

I plead guility to discrimination, a learned behavior for self preservation.
If I see muslim dressed young males or young blacks males, I take a second look; try to be observant.

I have friends that are black, have great respect for them. Consider them my brother. I consider myself to be superior to other animals, dogs etc.

Slavery was wrong, Abraham Lincoln was brave in his beliefs. The Republicans got on the wrong side of this issue in the 1970's. I believe the Republicans will have the 1st female & the 1st black President of the United States. Colin Powell or Condalesa Rice are possible. Likely Dick Cheney will step down prior to the 2004 election for health reasons. Either one would be great Vice Presidential candidates. Condalesa Rice could be Secretary of State in the 2nd Bush Administration, put her in a more visible roll.

[sturm375]

Originally posted by wdlove
Daschel's basic fear is that he will loose his income! The taxpayer is paying his salary.

Congressional Pension=Tax-payers pay for his salery for life. He's not worried about losing this salery. Possibly the perks of meeting with all the lobbiests.

[3777]

What is wrong with the Democrats is that they are all a bunch of left wing commie pinko wackos who should be executed.:o

[job]

Originally posted by 3777
What is wrong with the Democrats is that they are all a bunch of left wing commie pinko wackos who should be executed.:o

Well...maybe Pelosi....and Daschle... ;) :p

They're not all that bad...

You know what Lenin called people like them?

"Useful idiots."

[wdlove]

I think they realize that their message isn't selling as it once did.

[wdlove]

MA Democrat Party ponders their direction. Defeat on 11/5 triggers debate among MA Democrats. Conservative & Liberal Democrats are scraping over control and direction of their party.

In a state run by Democrats, there has been 4 consecutive Republicans elected governor. At a Democratic State Committee Meeting last Wednesday, the 'big tent party,' activists from both sides met to decide on the party's course for the future.

The meeting spent most of the time arguing about wording to establish a commission on ways to broaden the party. They want to appeal to SUV driving surbanites that deserted the party in droves on November 5th. They spent more than an hour deciding on the nuance of words that some found offensive.

About 165 member attended the meeting, which is half of the full membership.

Dwindling registered MA Democrats

Party Registration:
Democrats Unenrolled Republicans
1984 48.5% 38.7% 12.7%
1988 46.4% 40.1% 13.5%
1992 40.2% 46.2% 13.3%
1996 38.2% 47.8% 13.8%
2000 36.6% 48.8% 14.0%
2002 36.3% 49.5% 13.4%

The independent voters tend to vote Republican in the governor's races.

The party was strong enough to win all 12 Congressional seats, and have a 6 to 1 majority on Beacon Hill Legislature.

Feeling ov voters: "I used to be a Democrat, but you've drifted way to far to the left"

It does seem that MA is becoming more like the rest of the country, a good prospect for me. Bill O'Rielly "This country is changing slowly, its leaving the Democrat party!

[robguz]

Well, we now know that there wasn't some great rise in conservatism among the voters, but rather, the exit polls revealed that more voters were Republicans, meaning that they turned out, while the Democrats didn't. I'm sure part of it is spineless losers like Gephardt and Daschle who are about as liberal as Barry Goldwater. Another part of it is that when Democrats had great turnout in 2000 and elected Gore, Bush became appointed anyway. Democrats let things go and don't build on their base's anger. If Gore ended up in office, there is no way the republicans would have ever let up, not for one second, they would have said he didn't really win and would have blamed him for Sept 11th! They are pitbulls and they keep winning, even though the voters largely disagree with them on the issues, especially when they learn the truth about their right wing causes, like the estate tax, which actually only affected the richest 1%. Democrats need pitbulls and they need to start realizing that on the vast majority of issues, polls show their views are preferred. Electing Pelosi was a good start, although she's considered somewhat conservative by many in San Francisco.

Democrats need to destroy the idea that Republicans aren't "tax and spend". They spend far more than democrats, and they do tax, but just by shifting the true burden onto the poor and middle class. By slicing taxes but then making universities so poor that the true tuition costs to parents go up 30% a year (a colossal, but hidden tax). Or by ignoring social services so that crime goes up and people pay their new "tax" by being victims of crimes.

it took Bush less than 2 years to get us back into record deficit territory. Even after the democrats totally dismantled the welfare state and hurt the poorest of the poor so rich people could enjoy their capital gains taxes. Now what will have to be cut to bring the budget back in line? Medicare, social security. All social programs have been cut to the bone after 12 years of reagan/bush and 8 years of the spineless right winger Clinton under a republican congress. It's all downhill from here folks.

By the way, where are all the republicans saying we should leave social security up to Wall St? I thought they loved the idea. I almost wished they'd rammed that through early in 2001 so that seniors would be demanding the heads of republicans and young people would never vote for those losers again after seeing their futures had been squandered.

Daschle needs to go. Gore needs to not run. Liebernazi, I mean Lieberman needs to switch to the party that really reflects his views. McAuliffe ought to be exiled. Democrats need someone with courage, convictions, and freedom from personal scandals. Too bad Wellstone died because he was one of the few democrats worth voting for.

Democrats didn't turn out this time because there was almost no difference in the parties in this election. Now they'll suffer the consequences personally, but at least they'll be able to afford an extra 6 pack a week to drown their sorrows after more tax cuts go into effect. Hooray!

[wdlove]

A government surplus means that they are taxing us too much, a deficit is better, after all it is our money. The governement has no money it belongs to us. Proposal government will pay 1st 2 years of college or universal healthcare it is the taxpayer that wiil foot the bill. The Democrats are referring to the middle class "You are rich if make >$50,000/year."

[SPG]

Originally posted by wdlove
A government surplus means that they are taxing us too much, a deficit is better, after all it is our money. The governement has no money it belongs to us. Proposal government will pay 1st 2 years of college or universal healthcare it is the taxpayer that wiil foot the bill. The Democrats are referring to the middle class "You are rich if make >$50,000/year."

wdlove, what is your credit card balance? Keep spending in deficit forever and see where you wind up.
If the government has no money and it belongs to us, then so does the government's debt. As well as the debt, the interest piles up and soon you wind up paying more in interest on the debt than just about anything else, except military of course.
Universal health care would of course be paid for by the taxpayer, so would any proposal to fund college for everyone. I'd gladly pay those taxes so that I wouldn't have to pay the exorbitant amounts that health car coverage costs and live in a more educated society. I'm not so thrilled at where my tax money currently goes.