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pandamonia
Jul 23, 2012, 03:19 AM
After 5 generations of iPhone im selling up and moving to a GS3 for a few months. (at least)

Now is a good time to get top £££ for this 4S. The S3 comes tomorrow and its only costing me £120 over 24 months to get this S3. So its a great time to give it a go before any new iPhone comes in October time.

I really need a break from iOS. I just wish they would modernise it a little bit.. its just getting a little bit boring to look at every day.

I still have my iPad so i can use all my apps that i have collected over the years.

But i am really looking forward to Cyanogenmod 10 and the nice 4.1 Jelly Bean OS. It will be good to see both sides and then i can decide which one i like best!



Nightarchaon
Jul 23, 2012, 04:07 AM
I did this 18 months ago, went from a 3GS to a Galaxy SII,

Now I cant WAIT to get back to an iPhone in 6 months, (i may even buy out my contract early if the new iPhone 5ish is released soon)

Android is so clunky, buggy and unstable compared to the IOS experience.

Things i miss the most, the iPhone SMS app, the iPhone mail app, Mobile Safari (even chrome on IOS is more stable than chrome on SII under ICS which crashes and locks up all the time), the iPhone Contacts list, and, most of all, the Apple app store, the android store is just a minefield of buggy, shovelware.

mattopotamus
Jul 23, 2012, 04:27 AM
I did this 18 months ago, went from a 3GS to a Galaxy SII,

Now I cant WAIT to get back to an iPhone in 6 months, (i may even buy out my contract early if the new iPhone 5ish is released soon)

Android is so clunky, buggy and unstable compared to the IOS experience.

Things i miss the most, the iPhone SMS app, the iPhone mail app, Mobile Safari (even chrome on IOS is more stable than chrome on SII under ICS which crashes and locks up all the time), the iPhone Contacts list, and, most of all, the Apple app store, the android store is just a minefield of buggy, shovelware.

The things you miss are the same things I miss

maflynn
Jul 23, 2012, 05:56 AM
I was generally impressed with android, I will say the phone/carrier you choose will dictate your experience.

I owned the nexus one, and it was a great phone, the updates came and were solid. I then went over to Moto droid-x and was greatly disappointed because of the slow updates which were very buggy.

One of the things that help draw me back to iOS is the apple ecosystem. I'm more or less ingrained in the ecosystem, i.e., icloud, music, calendars, etc. and so it was a bit more work to get these components to work, it was never as seemless as with the iPhone. I also loved apple's mail app, I never really had great luck with the various offerings available for android.

I may go back to android when the nexus gets upgraded, but by then, i may already be on the iPhone 5. My point here is, they're leap frogging each other in hardware and to some extent software though I still give the edge for seamless integration to apple

The iGentleman
Jul 23, 2012, 06:22 AM
I was generally impressed with android, I will say the phone/carrier you choose will dictate your experience.

I owned the nexus one, and it was a great phone, the updates came and were solid. I then went over to Moto droid-x and was greatly disappointed because of the slow updates which were very buggy.

One of the things that help draw me back to iOS is the apple ecosystem. I'm more or less ingrained in the ecosystem, i.e., icloud, music, calendars, etc. and so it was a bit more work to get these components to work, it was never as seemless as with the iPhone. I also loved apple's mail app, I never really had great luck with the various offerings available for android.

I may go back to android when the nexus gets upgraded, but by then, i may already be on the iPhone 5. My point here is, they're leap frogging each other in hardware and to some extent software though I still give the edge for seamless integration to apple

Really I don't think Apple's solutions are any more seamless than Google's. Both platforms work well in their respective ecosystems. I think they are on par there. I do have to disagree about the leapfrogging thing though. I think from a software standpoint, there really hasn't been any leapfrogging at all. I think Android has had the edge in software for quite some time. For example, cloud connectivity has been a part of Android for years now. They have since expanded upon it making it more robust than it was previously. Updates have always been OTA, contacts had always been backed up to the cloud, wifi settings backed up to the cloud, etc. Now they have Google Music, Google +, etc. Of course Apple has the iCloud offering, but I still think it falls short in certain aspects. For example, iCloud syncs pictures, music, etc, across connected iDevices, but it doesn't truly take advantage of the cloud. Video can't actually reside in the cloud and be streamed straight from there. It's like they are taking partial advantage of the cloud, instead of using it to its full potential. Hardware wise, I don't think Apple has been doing any leapfrogging for a while now either. The last time they really leapfrogged anyone was with the retina display. Since then, hardware has long surpassed the hardware in the iPhone. I think Apple currently is playing a bit of catch up, and really needs to do something innovative. For example, I like what Google has done with Google Now, that is a very innovative feature, adding something we have yet to see in smartphones. Apple needs to do something like that, give us something innovative, new, and useful (not something gimmicky).

maflynn
Jul 23, 2012, 06:32 AM
You misunderstood my post. I meant because I am using apple products, the integration of music, iCal, mall.app photos are not as seamless with OSX->android.

Yes, android is well integrated with google's products/services but in general i don't use googe products/services. I don't like gmail, but instead use iCloud, I use iTunes for my music, iCal for my appointments, etc.

Bottom line: If you want to live with the google ecosystem, android is well integrated. If you want to live with apple's ecosystem, then iOS is well integrated. If you're crossing platforms (google->iOS or vice versa) then there's more work for you. Its possible but it requires work

The iGentleman
Jul 23, 2012, 06:37 AM
You misunderstood my post. I meant because I am using apple products, the integration of music, iCal, mall.app photos are not as seamless with OSX->android.

Yes, android is well integrated with google's products/services but in general i don't use googe products/services. I don't like gmail, but instead use iCloud, I use iTunes for my music, iCal for my appointments, etc.

Bottom line: If you want to live with the google ecosystem, android is well integrated. If you want to live with apple's ecosystem, then iOS is well integrated. If you're crossing platforms (google->iOS or vice versa) then there's more work for you. Its possible but it requires work

Oh I see what you're saying. You're right, I misinterpreted you. I totally agree with you, nothing is going to integrate into Apples ecosystem as well as Apple. If you're a person that prefers Apples ecosystem, then an iPhone is most certainly the way to go. An Android device just isn't going to integrate nearly as easily as an iDevice. On another note, I'm very curious to see what Apple's response will be to Google Now. Of course it won't be in iOS 6, but looking down the line, I am anxious to see what they do. I love competition as it makes all products better.

nataliamck
Jul 23, 2012, 06:39 AM
After 5 generations of iPhone im selling up and moving to a GS3 for a few months. (at least)

Now is a good time to get top £££ for this 4S. The S3 comes tomorrow and its only costing me £120 over 24 months to get this S3. So its a great time to give it a go before any new iPhone comes in October time.

I really need a break from iOS. I just wish they would modernise it a little bit.. its just getting a little bit boring to look at every day.

I still have my iPad so i can use all my apps that i have collected over the years.

This is exactly the same situation I am in.

My SGS3 is waiting at home for me right now (stupid work!)

I will probably be back for the next iPhone but really do need a break from iOS. Just for a bit of a change. I did the same thing last year with the S2 and I really didn't like it. But I've heard great things about the S3 so I'll give it a go for a few months. Got good money for my 4S so the new phone, which I bought outright, didn't cost me too much.

Sensamic
Jul 23, 2012, 11:40 AM
I did this 18 months ago, went from a 3GS to a Galaxy SII,

Now I cant WAIT to get back to an iPhone in 6 months, (i may even buy out my contract early if the new iPhone 5ish is released soon)

Android is so clunky, buggy and unstable compared to the IOS experience.

Things i miss the most, the iPhone SMS app, the iPhone mail app, Mobile Safari (even chrome on IOS is more stable than chrome on SII under ICS which crashes and locks up all the time), the iPhone Contacts list, and, most of all, the Apple app store, the android store is just a minefield of buggy, shovelware.

Yes... Jelly Bean is very unstable and clunky and... what else? Oh, yeah, buggy...

If you are talking about previous android version then why don't we also talk about previous iOS versions where there was no multitasking and no copy and paste and no MMS and the notifications system was... clunky?

Stop talking about the past. We are now in iOS 6 and Android 4.1.

Get real.

The iGentleman
Jul 23, 2012, 11:52 AM
I did this 18 months ago, went from a 3GS to a Galaxy SII,

Now I cant WAIT to get back to an iPhone in 6 months, (i may even buy out my contract early if the new iPhone 5ish is released soon)

Android is so clunky, buggy and unstable compared to the IOS experience.

Things i miss the most, the iPhone SMS app, the iPhone mail app, Mobile Safari (even chrome on IOS is more stable than chrome on SII under ICS which crashes and locks up all the time), the iPhone Contacts list, and, most of all, the Apple app store, the android store is just a minefield of buggy, shovelware.

How did you switch to the GS2 18 months ago when the phone hasn't been out for 18 months? :eek:

pandamonia
Jul 23, 2012, 03:08 PM
Im going to give it a go until the new iphone comes out..

but tbh iOS 6 looks BORING and apple maps is worrying.

Plus the rumours of that iphone screen worries me.

HTC has a killer screen and tbh iphone is way behind HTC with their S-LCD

Apple needs to bring some "wow" back to the iPhone because today im feeling "meh"

i have the worry that Android catch up not because that Samsung has got much better but because Apple isnt as good as it was... and the rumours of the iPhone 5 arent looking good.

daveathall
Jul 23, 2012, 03:15 PM
I too am in the same situation, I used my wires upgrade to try out the SGS3 until the new iPhone comes out in a couple of months where I will use my upgrade. (My wife won't swap her Nokia phone that she just uses for text and speak for love nor money, so I benefit from her upgrade). I must say that my original thought would be that I would hate the SGS3, sell it and revert back to my 4S, that never happened, I will be selling my 4S. I am really hoping that Apple will bring out a phone that isn't just stretched, I myself think that they will surprise us all with a newly redesigned phone with wow features.

pandamonia
Jul 23, 2012, 03:19 PM
I too am in the same situation, I used my wires upgrade to try out the SGS3 until the new iPhone comes out in a couple of months where I will use my upgrade. (My wife won't swap her Nokia phone that she just uses for text and speak for love nor money, so I benefit from her upgrade). I must say that my original thought would be that I would hate the SGS3, sell it and revert back to my 4S, that never happened, I will be selling my 4S. I am really hoping that Apple will bring out a phone that isn't just stretched, I myself think that they will surprise us all with a newly redesigned phone with wow features.

Time will tell.

Due to the UK carrier Three mobile i can get a killer deal. basically im getting a S3 for £120 over 24 months... how cheap is that! unlimited data and 2000 mins.

Great time to take a chance

Nightarchaon
Jul 23, 2012, 03:39 PM
How did you switch to the GS2 18 months ago when the phone hasn't been out for 18 months? :eek:

Has in the UK, Got it in Feb last year, so 17months, 18 in a few days maths brain not good poop

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Yes... Jelly Bean is very unstable and clunky and... what else? Oh, yeah, buggy...

If you are talking about previous android version then why don't we also talk about previous iOS versions where there was no multitasking and no copy and paste and no MMS and the notifications system was... clunky?

Stop talking about the past. We are now in iOS 6 and Android 4.1.

Get real.

thats the problem though, iOS has been, light years ahead of each android equivalent, Google seem happy to churn out a bare bones OS, as don't care about the core apps, leaving it up to the user to trawl through the god awful, mall ware ridden dross that is the android market place in search of a usable SMS client, Mail Client, Dialer etc, only HTC seem to have had the brains to write their own usable variants of these core apps, and even then, they are not a patch on the iOS equivalents.

iOS has the polish, the "feel" and apps that work well because someone has sat down and designed them to be used, iOS has been built by software developers, to be "functional", i see it all the time, the difference between software geared at users, and software written by someone who sees the code.

anyway, Your welcome to your opinion, but IMO , having sampled both worlds, Android, like linux on desktop PCs, is just not ready for prime time, and i shall be moving back to iOS as soon as they get around to releasing the new iPhone

on the flip side, i will be getting a Microsoft Windows 8 tablet when they release that, and hopefully Hackintoshing it, because IMO the iPad (or iPhone jumbo as i call it) has too many limitations, its a shame the Macbook Air hadn't gone like the Asus Transformer.

daveathall
Jul 23, 2012, 03:43 PM
Time will tell.

Due to the UK carrier Three mobile i can get a killer deal. basically im getting a S3 for £120 over 24 months... how cheap is that! unlimited data and 2000 mins.

Great time to take a chance

How much a month please? Or is that total or the phone and monthly charge?

Nightarchaon
Jul 23, 2012, 03:44 PM
Im going to give it a go until the new iphone comes out..

but tbh iOS 6 looks BORING and apple maps is worrying.

Plus the rumours of that iphone screen worries me.

HTC has a killer screen and tbh iphone is way behind HTC with their S-LCD

Apple needs to bring some "wow" back to the iPhone because today im feeling "meh"

i have the worry that Android catch up not because that Samsung has got much better but because Apple isnt as good as it was... and the rumours of the iPhone 5 arent looking good.

i felt Meh about the iPhone when the announced the 4, which is why i went with the S2 at the time, Stunning Screen on the SII, however, the rest of the OS i had taken for granted, the stuff i was feeling MEH about, i really really miss.

pandamonia
Jul 23, 2012, 04:01 PM
How much a month please? Or is that total or the phone and monthly charge?

i was paying £25 for a One Plan sim only which i cancelled

It cost me £33 a month x 24 months for the Galaxy S3

£8 difference x 24 + £29 phone cost = £221

I bought it via Quidco.co.uk and i get £97 cashback which means im only paying £124 to get the new phone.

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i felt Meh about the iPhone when the announced the 4, which is why i went with the S2 at the time, Stunning Screen on the SII, however, the rest of the OS i had taken for granted, the stuff i was feeling MEH about, i really really miss.

4.1 looks promising and there are a ton of things i can see already that id like to see on iOS.

Going back to a 3.5" screen would suck... and i dont like the look of the thin 4" screen which looks certain from the leaks.

Also iOS is so bland id say its become boring and even dull..

5 years... 5 years... looking at the home screen.... ugghh....

daveathall
Jul 23, 2012, 04:03 PM
i was paying £25 for a One Plan sim only which i cancelled

It cost me £33 a month x 24 months for the Galaxy S3

£8 difference x 24 + £29 phone cost = £221

I bought it via Quidco.co.uk and i get £97 cashback which means im only paying £124 to get the new phone.

Nice one.:D

Renzatic
Jul 23, 2012, 04:35 PM
Also iOS is so bland id say its become boring and even dull..

5 years... 5 years... looking at the home screen.... ugghh....

I've only been in the iOS environment for a little over a year now, so it's all pretty new to me. :P

But yeah, I could probably see it getting a little boring after awhile. There's tons to like about the iDevices. The consistency, the stability, the attention to detail. Like Apple or not, you have to admit they know how to make a good UI.

Well, except for the springboard, anyway. It isn't bad, exactly. I mean it does it's job. But it's just kinda...bleh. A bunch of icons and a dock, and nothing more. It wouldn't hurt Apple to spice it up a little bit, specially after 5 freaking years of it without any real changes. Throwing in something as relatively low effort as widgets wouldn't make it any more difficult for the mom 'n pop types to use, and would make it far more useful and interesting to look at.

pandamonia
Jul 23, 2012, 05:50 PM
I've only been in the iOS environment for a little over a year now, so it's all pretty new to me. :P

But yeah, I could probably see it getting a little boring after awhile. There's tons to like about the iDevices. The consistency, the stability, the attention to detail. Like Apple or not, you have to admit they know how to make a good UI.

Well, except for the springboard, anyway. It isn't bad, exactly. I mean it does it's job. But it's just kinda...bleh. A bunch of icons and a dock, and nothing more. It wouldn't hurt Apple to spice it up a little bit, specially after 5 freaking years of it without any real changes. Throwing in something as relatively low effort as widgets wouldn't make it any more difficult for the mom 'n pop types to use, and would make it far more useful and interesting to look at.

There is a myth that iOS is stable and works.

Its better than it was... but it used to be horrible.

Its stable mostly because its so locked down that nothing can be done that apple wont want you to do.

Right now iOS is the volvo of the mobile phone world... just runs and run and runs... its beige and boring... its a volvo.

Time to trade it in for something a little more exciting.. if it crashes who cares.

batting1000
Jul 23, 2012, 05:58 PM
Im going to give it a go until the new iphone comes out..

but tbh iOS 6 looks BORING and apple maps is worrying.

Plus the rumours of that iphone screen worries me.

HTC has a killer screen and tbh iphone is way behind HTC with their S-LCD

Apple needs to bring some "wow" back to the iPhone because today im feeling "meh"

i have the worry that Android catch up not because that Samsung has got much better but because Apple isnt as good as it was... and the rumours of the iPhone 5 arent looking good.

What's so "worrying" about the maps? Why is iOS 6 so "boring"? How is the iPhone screen way behind HTC? Why isn't Apple "as good as it was"?

Seems like another person just spewing out the default Apple hate messages without actually explaining his or herself.

Renzatic
Jul 23, 2012, 06:14 PM
There is a myth that iOS is stable and works.

Its better than it was... but it used to be horrible.

Its stable mostly because its so locked down that nothing can be done that apple wont want you to do.

Right now iOS is the volvo of the mobile phone world... just runs and run and runs... its beige and boring... its a volvo.

Time to trade it in for something a little more exciting.. if it crashes who cares.

Hey now. Don't badmouth Volvos. They used to be boxy and ugly back in the 80's and 90's, but they make some pretty swanky cars these days.

Back on topic. Yeah, there is some truth to that. The locked down nature of iOS is one of the things I really, really don't like about it. It's safer, sure. And it guarantees a (most of the time) smooth experience, but it also sacrifices a little too much utility to insure that stability. Having a few extra options never hurt anybody.

That said, even if it were a little more open, I doubt a well programmed app would crash the entire system. Underneath the simplicity is a thoroughly modern OS. It's up there with Windows, OSX, and the rest as far as base stability goes. Crashing an OS these days is a hard thing to do, and you rarely ever see it unless you're suffering from catastrophic hardware failure.

Now apps...yeah...I have apps crash on me all the time. Specially freaking Pages, which seems to go down on me (and not in the good way) at least twice a session. I'll be all typing along, moving pictures with my fingers, when...BAM...springboard. At least I've never lost any of my stuff, and it is quick to get back to. But still, it's annoying.


Seems like another person just spewing out the default Apple hate messages without actually explaining his or herself.

Eh. If I were to make a complaint, it seems Apple has gone incremental with their big updates when everyone else looks like they're trying to trailblaze in a new market. You could easily argue that Apple is a bit ahead of everyone else in the game, but you still can't help but feel a little left out when Android and MS come out with some neat new feature.

fox10078
Jul 23, 2012, 07:34 PM
What's so "worrying" about the maps? Why is iOS 6 so "boring"? How is the iPhone screen way behind HTC? Why isn't Apple "as good as it was"?

Seems like another person just spewing out the default Apple hate messages without actually explaining his or herself.

Dude we get it, you love Apple, this is Alternatives forum you know.

iOS 6 is pretty damn boring, if you have been using it you'd know that it's pretty much the same thing as iOS5 there is no massive shift in the way you use the phone like 5.0 had with the new notification center, or 4.0 had with multitasking.

Onto maps, The maps in iOS6 are woefully under detailed compared to iOS5's maps, theres quite a few threads on it already, the results from yelp are very unhelpful and business's are limited by if someone has reviewed them on yelp. No more street view, and no satellite view isn't the same thing.

And the Screen on the One X has been called one of the best screens on a mobile device today, even better than an iPhone by most reviewers.

But what do I know, I bet you'll just call me an Apple hater.

batting1000
Jul 23, 2012, 08:00 PM
Dude we get it, you love Apple, this is Alternatives forum you know.

iOS 6 is pretty damn boring, if you have been using it you'd know that it's pretty much the same thing as iOS5 there is no massive shift in the way you use the phone like 5.0 had with the new notification center, or 4.0 had with multitasking.

Onto maps, The maps in iOS6 are woefully under detailed compared to iOS5's maps, theres quite a few threads on it already, the results from yelp are very unhelpful and business's are limited by if someone has reviewed them on yelp. No more street view, and no satellite view isn't the same thing.

And the Screen on the One X has been called one of the best screens on a mobile device today, even better than an iPhone by most reviewers.

But what do I know, I bet you'll just call me an Apple hater.

Another one who assumes. I was essentially asking that the OP elaborate as he was just bashing Apple without an explanation. :rolleyes:

Ddyracer
Jul 23, 2012, 10:00 PM
There is a myth that iOS is stable and works.

Its better than it was... but it used to be horrible.

Its stable mostly because its so locked down that nothing can be done that apple wont want you to do.

Right now iOS is the volvo of the mobile phone world... just runs and run and runs... its beige and boring... its a volvo.

Time to trade it in for something a little more exciting.. if it crashes who cares.


ROFL, HILARIOUS. It is a little dull but it's fluid and fast something i wish android was. That and the practicality of ios apps.

pandamonia
Jul 24, 2012, 03:33 AM
What's so "worrying" about the maps? Why is iOS 6 so "boring"? How is the iPhone screen way behind HTC? Why isn't Apple "as good as it was"?

Seems like another person just spewing out the default Apple hate messages without actually explaining his or herself.

5 years on the iPhone i think earns me a little bit more than the credibility of the "spewing out the default Apple hate messages"

If you ever looked at the HTC screen you would know what im talking about. That screen is amazing... Super LCD is the future...

Google maps is so far ahead of apple and its a big step backward when you look at the comparisons videos of iOS 6.

Apple feels like Nokia right now when Nokia had their 6600 smartphone and the ones that followed.

Every new one that landed felt like the old one and every upgrade seemed to get less exciting than the last. This is how i feel about he iPhone today.

iOS is the most dull looking OS i have ever seen. Its never been that exciting but when i see the videos of Jelly bean and Cyanogenmod on the web it makes me sigh a little. Apple is doing what Apple does best and thats milk the hell out of something that was brilliant 3 years ago... but today just feels left behind.

i would say iOS has been reliable for about 10 months. The rest of the time its been one of the worst OS for a mobile phone i have ever used.

I have seen more calls be cut off than anything else in my life. The proximity sensor issue lasted for the whole life of the iPhone 4. i would regularly have to hard reset the OS. My phone would drop all its signal and then refuse to regain it unless i ended the call. i had 7 new iPhone 4's because of these problems.

In fact i would say the iPhone until the 4S was the worst mobile phone in the world for actually making a call on. When i spoke from my 3GS to another 3GS it was like talking on a long distance walky talky it was that bad.

None of the phones could hold a signal if my life depended on it. The batteries would be all about dead by the time 9 months had passed and you would be charging every day.

This amazing gorilla glass would get damaged and scratched no matter how careful you were so you would have to put some ugly protector on it just to be able to use it.

The plastic backs of the 3GS and 3G were so poor in quality that i had never seen one that didnt crack.

I never really did understand the whole itunes sync thing with the way it wanted to wipe your phone every time you synced or backed up. i could never understand why i had to sit there putting 100+ apps back into the order that i had them before.

Why the hell cant Apple just use drag and drop like everyone has been doing for like 25 years.

Explain to my why i cant delete a photo from the iPhone that i synced via itunes by accident? that crap got me into so much trouble when i used to have multiple naked girls photos on my PC that i used to be banging simultaneously. They couldnt be deleted until i went back to my PC.

Why cant i turn off Bluetooth, 3G and wifi with one button instead i have to go through a menu system every damn time.

Whos idea was it to make Tethering a way to rape the customer for money when it was on Nokias for like 5 years for free!

Since when did Apple invent the video call feature? It was the whole idea of 3G networks and phone from the start!! So why should Apple now enable people to charge for it! Who the hell wants to see the person your talking to anyway? unless she hot and naked then ill pass.

Why does Apple make the shortest charging leads in the world? i feel like im having to life 3 feet away from a wall socket because the battery is always dead and im usually trying to talk on the phone with the 3 inch cable attached to the plug.

I literally could go on and on about this stuff....

Its like living with a super model. Once you have tapped that ass enough times then the fun just wares off and wares off fast... then you have to live with it... and i just cant live with this any more...

batting1000
Jul 24, 2012, 01:36 PM
5 years on the iPhone i think earns me a little bit more than the credibility of the "spewing out the default Apple hate messages"

Doesn't seem those 5 years helped you...

If you ever looked at the HTC screen you would know what im talking about. That screen is amazing... Super LCD is the future...

Apple wins in the clarity department. I'm not a display maniac so I could honestly care less about how black the blacks are, how red the reds are, etc. Just my opinion. Most average consumers could care less as well.

Google maps is so far ahead of apple and its a big step backward when you look at the comparisons videos of iOS 6.

Apple feels like Nokia right now when Nokia had their 6600 smartphone and the ones that followed.

The only thing iOS 6 maps are missing is public transit (which does if you ask Siri) and street view.

Every new one that landed felt like the old one and every upgrade seemed to get less exciting than the last. This is how i feel about he iPhone today.

I'm not really sure what your expecting. Do you want the phone to print money or something? The only think it's missing that Android has is the customization so I'm not sure why you're acting like iOS is missing so much. It's a solid OS and that's it.

iOS is the most dull looking OS i have ever seen. Its never been that exciting but when i see the videos of Jelly bean and Cyanogenmod on the web it makes me sigh a little. Apple is doing what Apple does best and thats milk the hell out of something that was brilliant 3 years ago... but today just feels left behind.

Explain how it's dull. Like I said, what do you want it to do? Apple is keeping things the same because changing the UI every update does nothing but confuse the mainstream consumer. People like iOS because it's simple, looks good, and works without a hitch. Most iOS users could care less about having their the battery be a circle mod or a different color, etc.


i would say iOS has been reliable for about 10 months. The rest of the time its been one of the worst OS for a mobile phone i have ever used.

I have seen more calls be cut off than anything else in my life. The proximity sensor issue lasted for the whole life of the iPhone 4. i would regularly have to hard reset the OS. My phone would drop all its signal and then refuse to regain it unless i ended the call. i had 7 new iPhone 4's because of these problems.

You're failing to explain yourself. I'm waiting for you to actually say HOW it's been the worst OS, what it doesn't do that you want it to do, etc. I find it hard to believe you've had 7 iPhone 4's and the problem was still not solved. If that was the case, more people would be experiencing it and complaining about it.

In fact i would say the iPhone until the 4S was the worst mobile phone in the world for actually making a call on. When i spoke from my 3GS to another 3GS it was like talking on a long distance walky talky it was that bad.

None of the phones could hold a signal if my life depended on it. The batteries would be all about dead by the time 9 months had passed and you would be charging every day.

Must be the area you're in and / or your signal reception, not the phone. I honestly you're exaggerating things here, but ok. If you'rey died in 9 months, head over to an Apple store and get a replacement if you're under warranty. (Can't go to a store for an Android phone...there really aren't any!)

This amazing gorilla glass would get damaged and scratched no matter how careful you were so you would have to put some ugly protector on it just to be able to use it.

The plastic backs of the 3GS and 3G were so poor in quality that i had never seen one that didnt crack.

It will scratch if you are careless. I could take a Galaxy S3 and scratch up the plastic or the screen if I wanted to. (I could also take the battery cover and snap it in half without any effort.)

I never really did understand the whole itunes sync thing with the way it wanted to wipe your phone every time you synced or backed up. i could never understand why i had to sit there putting 100+ apps back into the order that i had them before.

Why the hell cant Apple just use drag and drop like everyone has been doing for like 25 years.

Not sure what you're talking about and it's obvious you don't either. No iOS device will have it's contents removed by iTunes every time you sync UNLESS you are syncing it with a NEW computer.

You can drag and drop in iTunes too so I'm not sure what you mean.

Explain to my why i cant delete a photo from the iPhone that i synced via itunes by accident? that crap got me into so much trouble when i used to have multiple naked girls photos on my PC that i used to be banging simultaneously. They couldnt be deleted until i went back to my PC.

Lol. You synced it in iTunes so you have to remove it with iTunes. Just goes to show you shouldn't have that stuff on your phone. Also shows you don't really know what you're talking about. :rolleyes:

Why cant i turn off Bluetooth, 3G and wifi with one button instead i have to go through a menu system every damn time.

...because it's really not that hard to click Settings and go to the toggle.

Whos idea was it to make Tethering a way to rape the customer for money when it was on Nokias for like 5 years for free!

Lol, it's not Apple's fault, it's the carriers. You have to pay on Android unless you use an illegal app to do it for free.

Since when did Apple invent the video call feature? It was the whole idea of 3G networks and phone from the start!! So why should Apple now enable people to charge for it! Who the hell wants to see the person your talking to anyway? unless she hot and naked then ill pass.

Apple never said they invented it. Apple isn't charging for it, the carriers are requiring Apple to charge for it (the carriers get the money, not Apple).

Why does Apple make the shortest charging leads in the world? i feel like im having to life 3 feet away from a wall socket because the battery is always dead and im usually trying to talk on the phone with the 3 inch cable attached to the plug.

At least they include one. Go buy a new one if it's such an issue.

I literally could go on and on about this stuff....

Its like living with a super model. Once you have tapped that ass enough times then the fun just wares off and wares off fast... then you have to live with it... and i just cant live with this any more...

:rolleyes:

BFizzzle
Jul 24, 2012, 02:33 PM
im thinking about trying out the nexus with jelly bean :)

The entire reason i have never considered an android is how "laggy" it felt on UI. but after playing with jb. Its smooth as ios.

pandamonia
Jul 24, 2012, 04:25 PM
Doesn't seem those 5 years helped you...



Apple wins in the clarity department. I'm not a display maniac so I could honestly care less about how black the blacks are, how red the reds are, etc. Just my opinion. Most average consumers could care less as well.



The only thing iOS 6 maps are missing is public transit (which does if you ask Siri) and street view.



I'm not really sure what your expecting. Do you want the phone to print money or something? The only think it's missing that Android has is the customization so I'm not sure why you're acting like iOS is missing so much. It's a solid OS and that's it.



Explain how it's dull. Like I said, what do you want it to do? Apple is keeping things the same because changing the UI every update does nothing but confuse the mainstream consumer. People like iOS because it's simple, looks good, and works without a hitch. Most iOS users could care less about having their the battery be a circle mod or a different color, etc.




You're failing to explain yourself. I'm waiting for you to actually say HOW it's been the worst OS, what it doesn't do that you want it to do, etc. I find it hard to believe you've had 7 iPhone 4's and the problem was still not solved. If that was the case, more people would be experiencing it and complaining about it.



Must be the area you're in and / or your signal reception, not the phone. I honestly you're exaggerating things here, but ok. If you'rey died in 9 months, head over to an Apple store and get a replacement if you're under warranty. (Can't go to a store for an Android phone...there really aren't any!)



It will scratch if you are careless. I could take a Galaxy S3 and scratch up the plastic or the screen if I wanted to. (I could also take the battery cover and snap it in half without any effort.)



Not sure what you're talking about and it's obvious you don't either. No iOS device will have it's contents removed by iTunes every time you sync UNLESS you are syncing it with a NEW computer.

You can drag and drop in iTunes too so I'm not sure what you mean.



Lol. You synced it in iTunes so you have to remove it with iTunes. Just goes to show you shouldn't have that stuff on your phone. Also shows you don't really know what you're talking about. :rolleyes:



...because it's really not that hard to click Settings and go to the toggle.



Lol, it's not Apple's fault, it's the carriers. You have to pay on Android unless you use an illegal app to do it for free.



Apple never said they invented it. Apple isn't charging for it, the carriers are requiring Apple to charge for it (the carriers get the money, not Apple).



At least they include one. Go buy a new one if it's such an issue.



:rolleyes:

I love how you try and make excuses for Apple. Fact is that i have probably had more iOS and Apple products that you will ever own. This makes me far more qualified to criticise apple.

5 generations of iPhone, 4 macbook Pro's and 3 iPads, 3 iPods gives me a pretty balanced view.

I have experienced many many many problems with my iPhones over the years, heck the iPhone 4 was the worst... Go google the proximity sensor problem that people were having 5-6 new phones per year with it.

To say it just "works" is highly misleading. My iPhone 4 had a serious problem also with not being able to answer calls it was just completely unresponsive.

I dont need you here telling me that i am wrong because to be honest i am way more experienced than most people with these products.

They can be seriously irritating in many ways and im tired of Apple selling the same phone every year with a slighly different wrapper on it.

batting1000
Jul 24, 2012, 04:40 PM
I love how you try and make excuses for Apple. Fact is that i have probably had more iOS and Apple products that you will ever own. This makes me far more qualified to criticise apple.

5 generations of iPhone, 4 macbook Pro's and 3 iPads, 3 iPods gives me a pretty balanced view.

I have experienced many many many problems with my iPhones over the years, heck the iPhone 4 was the worst... Go google the proximity sensor problem that people were having 5-6 new phones per year with it.

To say it just "works" is highly misleading. My iPhone 4 had a serious problem also with not being able to answer calls it was just completely unresponsive.

I dont need you here telling me that i am wrong because to be honest i am way more experienced than most people with these products.

They can be seriously irritating in many ways and im tired of Apple selling the same phone every year with a slighly different wrapper on it.

Oh, I'm sorry. Who are you to tell me I don't know Apple's products enough to criticize them? I've never heard anything further from the truth. Just because you've had more products than me means absolutely nothing. You've yet to demonstrate your knowledge, as I've highlighted in my previous post. Samsung has is selling the same phone with a slightly different wrapper. They kept the same camera, rounded of the edges more, made the screen 0.3 inches larger and called is a new phone.

The fact that you failed to get a replacement iPhone 4 and automatically write the iPhone off as a piece of junk does not mean it's a bad phone. I'm not saying Apple is perfect because I'm aware of the issues devices have had, but the fact that Apple has been able to rectify them quickly and even offer customers free cases for a period of time and device replacements really shows something.

I've yet to see Google even comment on the issues with the Nexus 7 and it's display becoming loose or even detaching. How about the delay of Samsung's pebble blue S3 because of the battery cover paint defects?

As I said before, you've still yet to explain your comments about how iOS is dull, etc. I'm not defending Apple, I'm merely asking for explanations.

The iGentleman
Jul 24, 2012, 05:30 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. Who are you to tell me I don't know Apple's products enough to criticize them? I've never heard anything further from the truth. Just because you've had more products than me means absolutely nothing. You've yet to demonstrate your knowledge, as I've highlighted in my previous post. Samsung has is selling the same phone with a slightly different wrapper. They kept the same camera, rounded of the edges more, made the screen 0.3 inches larger and called is a new phone.


So then what do you call the 4S?

batting1000
Jul 24, 2012, 05:46 PM
So then what do you call the 4S?

I wasn't implying that the 4S isn't the same phone with a slightly different wrapper, because I believe it is just that. I was just saying how the Galaxy S3 is like the iPhone, in that it receives minor spec bumps rather than a full redesign.

soulreaver99
Jul 24, 2012, 06:34 PM
^^ Dude do you have anything better to do than to troll every android post and justify every iphone fault? no device is perfect, not even the iphone. get over it.

batting1000
Jul 24, 2012, 06:57 PM
^^ Dude do you have anything better to do than to troll every android post and justify every iphone fault? no device is perfect, not even the iphone. get over it.

I'm not trolling anyone nor am I justifying anything. I've never said or implied the fact that the iPhone is perfect so I've got nothing to get over. The iPhone merely works better for me than Android and that's all.

So it begs the question; do you have anything better to do than ask people if they have anything better to do?

EDIT: You must've read my last post wrong. I admitted that the 4S is the same phone with a slightly different wrapper. Not sure if you saw that or not.

Wokis
Jul 24, 2012, 07:34 PM
Ah soon it's time for me to get something new. On a HTC Desire right now.

The way I see it with the bulk of android phones is that you sure do want to jump on a fairly new model as they have the latest and greatest features and in theory the longest running support.

Problem is, at least my impression is, that a seemingly fair share of high-end Android phones end up having issues after some time, often related to software updates bringing up problems that the initial software didn't show. You might also end up with a phone where the maker stops giving a crap. HTC always has a new more precious child to tend to, for example.

With Iphone you have a track record of 5 phones with no major issues. Stable software updates (or have I missed a catastrophe?). Sure, they send out that iOS-update two or three years down the road that suddenly makes your phone slow as a snail, but at least you know when to expect it ;)

Problem is the iphone costs a lot and is bundled with contracts that doesn't fit me.

batting1000
Jul 24, 2012, 07:42 PM
Ah soon it's time for me to get something new. On a HTC Desire right now.

The way I see it with the bulk of android phones is that you sure do want to jump on a fairly new model as they have the latest and greatest features and in theory the longest running support.

Problem is, at least my impression is, that a seemingly fair share of high-end Android phones end up having issues after some time, often related to software updates bringing up problems that the initial software didn't show. You might also end up with a phone where the maker stops giving a crap. HTC always has a new more precious child to tend to, for example.

With Iphone you have a track record of 5 phones with no major issues. Stable software updates (or have I missed a catastrophe?). Sure, they send out that iOS-update two or three years down the road that suddenly makes your phone slow as a snail, but at least you know when to expect it ;)

Problem is the iphone costs a lot and is bundled with contracts that doesn't fit me.

If you want an iPhone, the prices will surely drop this fall.

The iGentleman
Jul 24, 2012, 07:53 PM
I wasn't implying that the 4S isn't the same phone with a slightly different wrapper, because I believe it is just that. I was just saying how the Galaxy S3 is like the iPhone, in that it receives minor spec bumps rather than a full redesign.

I'd hardly call the GS3 a minor spec bump. Going from a low-res display to HD, is a pretty large jump. Doubling the RAM is a large difference. Two A-15 28nm cores as opposed to two A9 cores is a big difference. The material it's made with now is polycarbonate, which is a MUCH more high quality material than the plastic it was made of before (polycarbonate has hardness up there with kevlar). Double the ram, better processor, better materials, and a screen with around triple the resolution is hardly a minor spec bump. The GS3 would more of a minor spec bump coming from the Galaxy Nexus, but from the GS2, it's a significant increase.

jeffe
Jul 24, 2012, 08:11 PM
Not sure what you're talking about and it's obvious you don't either. No iOS device will have it's contents removed by iTunes every time you sync UNLESS you are syncing it with a NEW computer.

You can drag and drop in iTunes too so I'm not sure what you mean.



Lol. You synced it in iTunes so you have to remove it with iTunes. Just goes to show you shouldn't have that stuff on your phone. Also shows you don't really know what you're talking about. :rolleyes:



:rolleyes:

I personally can't stand Itunes. I never have to synchronize my phone to my computer and I think that is the way it should be.

batting1000
Jul 24, 2012, 08:13 PM
I personally can't stand Itunes. I never have to synchronize my phone to my computer and I think that is the way it should be.

Neither do I. It's great because iTunes is slow on Windows Vista for me.

pandamonia
Jul 25, 2012, 02:31 AM
Oh, I'm sorry. Who are you to tell me I don't know Apple's products enough to criticize them? I've never heard anything further from the truth. Just because you've had more products than me means absolutely nothing. You've yet to demonstrate your knowledge, as I've highlighted in my previous post. Samsung has is selling the same phone with a slightly different wrapper. They kept the same camera, rounded of the edges more, made the screen 0.3 inches larger and called is a new phone.

The fact that you failed to get a replacement iPhone 4 and automatically write the iPhone off as a piece of junk does not mean it's a bad phone. I'm not saying Apple is perfect because I'm aware of the issues devices have had, but the fact that Apple has been able to rectify them quickly and even offer customers free cases for a period of time and device replacements really shows something.

I've yet to see Google even comment on the issues with the Nexus 7 and it's display becoming loose or even detaching. How about the delay of Samsung's pebble blue S3 because of the battery cover paint defects?

As I said before, you've still yet to explain your comments about how iOS is dull, etc. I'm not defending Apple, I'm merely asking for explanations.

The iPhone 4 was junk. it wasnt even good enough to be called a phone. It was a PDA that could sometimes make a phone call. IT WAS THAT BAD!

There are manufacturing problems which everyone has and there are just down right bugs and broken software than they never fix. Apple is the worst for never admitting its broken. 7 new phones!! 7!!!! eventually they stopped giving me refurbs and sent me a retail packaged iPhone 4 which i sold right away. I had a 4S to see if the issues were fixed and guess what... they were!! Funny how a new phone fixes the bugs but they didnt fix the 4...

Samsung is now outselling Apple 2 to 1 on Smartphones. I wonder why? Because people like me are getting sick and tired of the same crap year after year.

I have had my S3 for one day and yes i have crashed a few apps a few times but on the whole it seems more fun to use then my 4S. When Jelly bean comes it will be faster and smoother than currently which actually isnt bad at all right now.

Apple is going to get caught out now Android has caught up and surpassed in many ways. Apple arent doing anything worth while to the iPhone 5 in ios 6.

Im really not looking forward to a stretched out iphone 4 as the iphone 5.

batting1000
Jul 25, 2012, 10:03 AM
The iPhone 4 was junk. it wasnt even good enough to be called a phone. It was a PDA that could sometimes make a phone call. IT WAS THAT BAD!

I don't know, but myself and tons of others have absolutely no issues with phone calls. I've never had a dropped called with my 4S.

There are manufacturing problems which everyone has and there are just down right bugs and broken software than they never fix. Apple is the worst for never admitting its broken. 7 new phones!! 7!!!! eventually they stopped giving me refurbs and sent me a retail packaged iPhone 4 which i sold right away. I had a 4S to see if the issues were fixed and guess what... they were!! Funny how a new phone fixes the bugs but they didnt fix the 4...

Bugs and broken software? I've yet to find anything in iOS 4, 5, or even 6 beta 3 that was broken (maybe bugs in iOS 6 but nothing broken). Until you actually say what part of the software is buggy or broken, I don't have any reason to believe you.

Samsung is now outselling Apple 2 to 1 on Smartphones. I wonder why? Because people like me are getting sick and tired of the same crap year after year.

Apple has done nothing but add new features to the iPhone year after year, but if you're not happy with that, that's fine, it's your choice. The 4S is right up there with the S3 spec-wise.

I have had my S3 for one day and yes i have crashed a few apps a few times but on the whole it seems more fun to use then my 4S. When Jelly bean comes it will be faster and smoother than currently which actually isnt bad at all right now.

Lol, you're so contradicting. It's OK when Android apps crash, but when iOS software is buggy and broken, it's not OK and you rant about it.

Apple is going to get caught out now Android has caught up and surpassed in many ways. Apple arent doing anything worth while to the iPhone 5 in ios 6.

Explain, because as far as I'm concerned, iOS has the exact same features as Android, minus the customization.

Im really not looking forward to a stretched out iphone 4 as the iphone 5.

Suit yourself.

The iGentleman
Jul 25, 2012, 10:17 AM
Apple has done nothing but add new features to the iPhone year after year, but if you're not happy with that, that's fine, it's your choice. The 4S is right up there with the S3 spec-wise.
Those features are incremental at best. And no the 4S is not "up there with the S3 spec-wise". A15 cores > A9 cores. 2gb RAM > 512mb of RAM. 4.8" 1280x720 display > 3.5" 960x640 display. NFC > No NFC. LTE > No LTE. I'd go on, but I'm sure you get the point.


Explain, because as far as I'm concerned, iOS has the exact same features as Android, minus the customization.
No there are several things iOS does not have that Android has. Also, for the record, saying "minus the customization" is a large exclusion considering that includes keyboards, changing default browsers, etc. As for some things iOS is lacking: Can't make any changes in the camera app, can't email more than one file type in an attachment in one email (you have to send separate emails per attachment), no flash, can't mount as storage on a computer, can't sense when you're waiting on a train and give you the schedule for the next arrival, can't notify you ahead of time if there is traffic on your way to your appointment and tell you to leave early, can't make purchases by tapping, can't transfer data by tapping, can't integrate whatever app you choose into the OS, can't share between apps installed on the phone, can't download whatever file you want from the web direct to the device, and many others things where it comes up short.

batting1000
Jul 25, 2012, 11:13 AM
Customization is too obvious which is why I said to exclude that. I want to talk REAL features not unproductive things like changing launchers and theming stuff.

Can't make any changes in the camera app,

False. I can turn on and off gridlines, turn on and off flash, and turn on and off HDR. The software handles the rest for me.

can't email more than one file type in an attachment in one email (you have to send separate emails per attachment),

What do you mean? I can send as many pictures in an email as I want.

no flash,

Apparently not for Android either. Adobe is phasing out it out and will be stopping new downloads soon. As Android is updated, it may not even work properly. Plus, you gotta use the default browser for flash. Chrome is built into the Nexus 7 and doesn't have flash. Even then you'd have to get a third party app for flash, which is dumb if you use Chrome.

can't mount as storage on a computer,

Unnecessary because the iPhone doesn't have an SD card or USB storage like Android phones. Just send it to your Dropbox, Google Drive, or Box.net accounts if you need something.


can't sense when you're waiting on a train and give you the schedule for the next arrival,

True, but insignificant. Not a reason someone would buy an Android device over an iPhone. Plus, only 3 devices can currently do this out of the box. The rest have to be rooted for this feature.

can't notify you ahead of time if there is traffic on your way to your appointment and tell you to leave early,

Same as above.

can't make purchases by tapping,

Are you referring to NFC? If so, NFC isn't widespread enough for this to be useful. How many times have you actually done this? :rolleyes:

can't transfer data by tapping,

Yes I can. Bump for iPhone, iPad, and Android (works cross-platform as well). (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bump/id305479724?mt=8)


can't integrate whatever app you choose into the OS,

For what purpose?

can't share between apps installed on the phone,

For what purpose? Give examples.


can't download whatever file you want from the web direct to the device

Yes I can. Goodreader for iPhone (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/goodreader-for-ipad/id363448914?mt=8) lets me download and manage files (unzip, unrar, etc) and can even share them between Dropbox, etc. It's min purpose is for reading PDFs but it does this too.

and many others things where it comes up short.

Keep going.

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Those features are incremental at best. And no the 4S is not "up there with the S3 spec-wise". A15 cores > A9 cores. 2gb RAM > 512mb of RAM. 4.8" 1280x720 display > 3.5" 960x640 display. NFC > No NFC. LTE > No LTE. I'd go on, but I'm sure you get the point.

Please tell me how you would notice a difference between the A15 and A9. You keep bringing this up but the difference that an average consumer would notice is minimal at best.

2GB of RAM. That's a legitimate argument because more apps and such can be open. That's fine.

Screen size is a legitimate argument, but the fact that it was upped .3 inches isn't noticeable. Maybe the ppi difference between the S2 and S3 is, but that's all. The 4S still has the highest ppi.

NFC isn't anything amazing. It can only transfer data between another NFC Android device which is a downfall and isn't widespread enough for things like payments. iPhone will get it this year so maybe we'll see an increase is usage and NFC enabled places after it's released.

The iGentleman
Jul 25, 2012, 12:47 PM
Customization is too obvious which is why I said to exclude that. I want to talk REAL features not unproductive things like changing launchers and theming stuff.
You said the 4S has all the features Android has. When I gave you a list, you either gave some excuse for why it isn't needed or some half baked work around to gain a slight resemblance of the same functionality. That said, let's address your responses shall we?



False. I can turn on and off gridlines, turn on and off flash, and turn on and off HDR. The software handles the rest for me.

Not false. You cannot make any adjustments to your camera. The most you can do is set it to HDR mode. You can't turn down the megapixels if you don't want to take an 8mp picture. You can't adjust the ISO if you want to (and no the iPhone doesn't always select the best ISO setting). You have absolutely no flexibility at all in the camera app.


What do you mean? I can send as many pictures in an email as I want.

I said you can't send more than one file type in an attachment in one email. Send a pdf and a picture in the same email. You can't. You'd have to send two emails to do it. In my line of work, that is unacceptable.


Apparently not for Android either. Adobe is phasing out it out and will be stopping new downloads soon. As Android is updated, it may not even work properly. Plus, you gotta use the default browser for flash. Chrome is built into the Nexus 7 and doesn't have flash. Even then you'd have to get a third party app for flash, which is dumb if you use Chrome.

Flash still works and is still available for Jellybean. Keep holding out hope...maybe it won't work in Key Lime Pie lol.


Unnecessary because the iPhone doesn't have an SD card or USB storage like Android phones. Just send it to your Dropbox, Google Drive, or Box.net accounts if you need something.

So because you can't do it, it's unnecessary? That's some interesting logic you've got there. Sending something to cloud storage doesn't do you any good if the computer you are on doesn't have an internet connection. In my line of work, we have to get computers up and connected. Sometimes that requires loading drivers onto a computer. I can't do that if I can't mount my phone as storage. Your method simply would not work. This is a great example of what I meant at the top, when I said you provided some half baked attempts at workarounds to gain something you hope would resemble the same functionality. It's not the same. iOS doesn't have this feature, period point blank.



True, but insignificant. Not a reason someone would buy an Android device over an iPhone. Plus, only 3 devices can currently do this out of the box. The rest have to be rooted for this feature.

You call it insignificant, I call it quite nice to have. The rest having to be rooted makes no difference. The bottom line is the functionality is available on the Android platform, whereas it isn't on iOS. Remember, you said iOS has every feature Android has.....that obviously was incorrect, as illustrated on this post and the one before it.


Same as above.

See above statement.


Are you referring to NFC? If so, NFC isn't widespread enough for this to be useful. How many times have you actually done this? :rolleyes:

Living in a major city, I have used it many times. My doctor's office has Paypass, some gas stations have it at the pump, plenty of fast food restaurants, drugs stores, best buy, grocery store, and footlocker to name a few places I've used it. True enough it isn't mainstream, but I definitely use it. Also, this isn't about how widespread it is...again, you staid iOS has every feature Android does...again this obviously is not the case.


Yes I can. Bump for iPhone, iPad, and Android (works cross-platform as well). (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bump/id305479724?mt=8)

No, you can't. That isn't even close to being the same thing. Your solution really has nothing to do with tapping the phones. It's just a peer to peer app. Your solution requires you to upload the data to the bump server, and it be downloaded onto the recipient's device. That is hardly ideal. I could tap my phone against another Android phone and transfer a 1gb file in 3 min. Using your method (if bump even allows files that large), you'd have to wait a long time while that 1gb file uploads, then the recipient would have to wait for that 1gb file to download. Bear in mind you don't have LTE, so if you're on a cellular connection that's going to be one painfully slow process. Again, that's some half-baked attempt at replicating the same functionality to try to imitate an actual feature. Bottom line is iOS doesn't have that feature.



For what purpose?

For integrating whatever app I want in the OS. What if I don't like the Facebook app? Maybe when I click share, I don't want to use the facebook app but instead want to use Friendcaster. Integrating any app I want into the OS allows me the flexibility of using what I want. So instead of being limited to Twitter and Facebook, I can have linkedin, friendcaster, or any other app I want. So from anywhere in the OS I can post to those things because it's integrated into the OS.


For what purpose? Give examples.

It allows apps to interact with each other. For example, I was using the facebook app and someone posted a picture of a statue that had some misinformation in the caption. I tapped the picture, tapped share, and tapped Google Goggles, which instantly scanned the picture I was looking at and returned results for the picture. This gave me the information I was looking for. My Facebook app and my Google Goggles app were able to work together and communicate to get my information I needed.



Yes I can. Goodreader for iPhone (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/goodreader-for-ipad/id363448914?mt=8) lets me download and manage files (unzip, unrar, etc) and can even share them between Dropbox, etc. It's min purpose is for reading PDFs but it does this too.

Yet another half-baked work around to attempt to achieve something that is lacking in the OS. No that doesn't accomplish the same thing. I'm sorry but it simply isn't. Besides, the average person won't know to go get Goodreader, which is a pdf reader app, and use that as a workaround to download a file. As stated before, iOS is lacking the feature that's the bottom line. You said iOS has every feature when that obviously is not the case.


Keep going.

I think I've noted enough things to make my point, but here's a couple more for you: Send a file over bluetooth, Wifi Direct, Manage your data use, Allow any app I choose to use background data, and facial recognition (and I don't mean face unlock, I mean where your phone can learn people's faces, so if you take a picture of that person or have a picture of that person, your phone will know who they are).
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Please tell me how you would notice a difference between the A15 and A9. You keep bringing this up but the difference that an average consumer would notice is minimal at best.

The a15 is noticeably faster. On an iPhone you wouldn't notice the difference because you're only dealing with a grid of icons and no multitasking. On a system where several things can run concurrently and several things can be active on a home screen at once, the additional horsepower is ostensible.

2GB of RAM. That's a legitimate argument because more apps and such can be open. That's fine.

Right.


Screen size is a legitimate argument, but the fact that it was upped .3 inches isn't noticeable. Maybe the ppi difference between the S2 and S3 is, but that's all. The 4S still has the highest ppi.
It's actually quite noticeable. The 4S can have the highest ppi, however it's at the point that ppi makes no difference anyway. The thing you have to remember is over 300ppi the human eye can't discern individual pixels anyway, so anything over 300ppi is overkill. That said, the GS3 is 306ppi, over the 300ppi threshold, so the whole ppi argument goes out the window. 326ppi (iPhone) is no better than 306 (GS3), because after 300ppi the human eye can't discern a difference anyway.


NFC isn't anything amazing. It can only transfer data between another NFC Android device which is a downfall and isn't widespread enough for things like payments. iPhone will get it this year so maybe we'll see an increase is usage and NFC enabled places after it's released.
Yet, there are enough NFC enabled devices now where it can come in handy. Everyone in my household has an NFC enabled phone, and so do the majority of my relatives. At the 4th of July cookout, it was nice to be able to tap phones to exchange our new numbers and email addresses. That's much better than doing it manually. Regarding the purchasing part of NFC, see the above NFC related statement. Also, you're forgetting NFC also can be used for device automation. You can have an NFC sticker in your car cradle that turns on Pandora, turns up the volume, and puts the phone in "car mode", all by just sitting the phone in the cradle.

Sensamic
Jul 25, 2012, 01:14 PM
Wow batting... wow...

For what purpose? Did you really ask that seriously? That confirms to me that you just don't see past iOS...

Igentleman it's not worth it. Leave him alone. After reading "for what purpose" there's no need to keep trying...

And saying iOS had the same features as Android also proves you have zero idea what your talking about. I won't even bother answering you since then your will say "for what purpose?" or "no one needs that" or some other BS.

batting1000
Jul 25, 2012, 01:33 PM
Not false. You cannot make any adjustments to your camera. The most you can do is set it to HDR mode. You can't turn down the megapixels if you don't want to take an 8mp picture. You can't adjust the ISO if you want to (and no the iPhone doesn't always select the best ISO setting). You have absolutely no flexibility at all in the camera app.

The iPhone is for the mainstream consumer and this is obvious. If you feel the need to change the ISO (most don't even know what this is) or for some reason change the MP the picture is, you need a DSLR or any camera that's not a phone. It's obvious the iPhone still takes amazing pictures without all that nonsense.


I said you can't send more than one file type in an attachment in one email. Send a pdf and a picture in the same email. You can't. You'd have to send two emails to do it. In my line of work, that is unacceptable.

Ok, that's fine. But it begs the question: How is the iPhone crushing Android in enterprise use if doing the above is tedious and / or unacceptable?

Flash still works and is still available for Jellybean. Keep holding out hope...maybe it won't work in Key Lime Pie lol.

It should still work with Android 4.2. :)

So because you can't do it, it's unnecessary? That's some interesting logic you've got there. Sending something to cloud storage doesn't do you any good if the computer you are on doesn't have an internet connection. In my line of work, we have to get computers up and connected. Sometimes that requires loading drivers onto a computer. I can't do that if I can't mount my phone as storage. Your method simply would not work. This is a great example of what I meant at the top, when I said you provided some half baked attempts at workarounds to gain something you hope would resemble the same functionality. It's not the same. iOS doesn't have this feature, period point blank.

How is it half baked? It's the same exact thing you just don't connect your phone to the computer? When would you be on a work computer without an internet connection?

You call it insignificant, I call it quite nice to have. The rest having to be rooted makes no difference. The bottom line is the functionality is available on the Android platform, whereas it isn't on iOS. Remember, you said iOS has every feature Android has.....that obviously was incorrect, as illustrated on this post and the one before it.

What if the area you're in, such as a subway, has bad signal and therefore can't get information about the incoming train?

Living in a major city, I have used it many times. My doctor's office has Paypass, some gas stations have it at the pump, plenty of fast food restaurants, drugs stores, best buy, grocery store, and footlocker to name a few places I've used it. True enough it isn't mainstream, but I definitely use it. Also, this isn't about how widespread it is...again, you staid iOS has every feature Android does...again this obviously is not the case.

It is the case because iOS 6 has Passbook and the new iPhone will surely have NFC. I guess it just depends where you live. Few places around me in Florida have the equipment to pay using NFC.

No, you can't. That isn't even close to being the same thing. Your solution really has nothing to do with tapping the phones. It's just a peer to peer app. Your solution requires you to upload the data to the bump server, and it be downloaded onto the recipient's device. That is hardly ideal. I could tap my phone against another Android phone and transfer a 1gb file in 3 min. Using your method (if bump even allows files that large), you'd have to wait a long time while that 1gb file uploads, then the recipient would have to wait for that 1gb file to download. Bear in mind you don't have LTE, so if you're on a cellular connection that's going to be one painfully slow process. Again, that's some half-baked attempt at replicating the same functionality to try to imitate an actual feature. Bottom line is iOS doesn't have that feature.

Doesn't matter how fast or slow it is, the functionality is still there. You "bump" the two phones together and the data is sent. How is that so different? Besides, have you even tried the app to see how slow or fast it really is? Doubt it.

For integrating whatever app I want in the OS. What if I don't like the Facebook app? Maybe when I click share, I don't want to use the facebook app but instead want to use Friendcaster. Integrating any app I want into the OS allows me the flexibility of using what I want. So instead of being limited to Twitter and Facebook, I can have linkedin, friendcaster, or any other app I want. So from anywhere in the OS I can post to those things because it's integrated into the OS.

It allows apps to interact with each other. For example, I was using the facebook app and someone posted a picture of a statue that had some misinformation in the caption. I tapped the picture, tapped share, and tapped Google Goggles, which instantly scanned the picture I was looking at and returned results for the picture. This gave me the information I was looking for. My Facebook app and my Google Goggles app were able to work together and communicate to get my information I needed.

Ok, I'll give you that one.

Yet another half-baked work around to attempt to achieve something that is lacking in the OS. No that doesn't accomplish the same thing. I'm sorry but it simply isn't. Besides, the average person won't know to go get Goodreader, which is a pdf reader app, and use that as a workaround to download a file. As stated before, iOS is lacking the feature that's the bottom line. You said iOS has every feature when that obviously is not the case.

Again, how is it half baked? It does the same thing. It let's you manage files and do actions such as unraring and unzipping. It's not a hidden feature; it's stated right in the description. Managing files isn't really built into Android either. You have to download an app (Like Astro or EZ File manager) to manage files on your SD card and such. Sure you can do it, but it's not built in.


I think I've noted enough things to make my point, but here's a couple more for you: Send a file over bluetooth, Wifi Direct, Manage your data use, Allow any app I choose to use background data, and facial recognition (and I don't mean face unlock, I mean where your phone can learn people's faces, so if you take a picture of that person or have a picture of that person, your phone will know who they are).

Send a file over bluetooth? Yep: itunes.apple.com/us/app/bluetooth-u/id526268815?mt=8

WiFi direct: Coming in the next iPhone, but unnecessary. Never met or seen anyone actually use that.

Manage data use? Yep: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/my-data-manager/id477865384?mt=8

Have an app use background data? That just uses up battery life and uses up your data.

Facial recognition? Explain how this would be useful / make something easier to do.



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Yet, there are enough NFC enabled devices now where it can come in handy. Everyone in my household has an NFC enabled phone, and so do the majority of my relatives. At the 4th of July cookout, it was nice to be able to tap phones to exchange our new numbers and email addresses. That's much better than doing it manually.

I can do this with Bump.

pandamonia
Jul 25, 2012, 02:39 PM
Using this S3 and 4S side by side i can see some major things missing.

Widgets!
Live Wallpapers
Chrome as a browser (not the gimped ios version)
Gmail Sync
ROMS!
Better text input and user changeable keyboard apps
Google Navigation and all of the Maps apps that Android has.
Full customisation
4.8" v 3.5" screen
Quad core 1.4ghz v 800mhz dual core
1GB ram v 512mb
SD card 16GB for £6!!! v £100 for 16GB on iPhone
Spare battery option
50GB free drop box
Swipe unlock

This is just what i have found so far. Im sure there is more to android.

batting1000
Jul 25, 2012, 02:59 PM
Using this S3 and 4S side by side i can see some major things missing.

Widgets! - Battery wasters, I can go into the app and get the information I need just as quick as an Android user can go to the widget. App provides more info than widget.

Live Wallpapers - Waste battery, slow down the home screen and launching apps

Chrome as a browser (not the gimped ios version) - Gimped? The iOS version can run on more devices than the Android version. Isn't that sad? Either way, it has the exact same features so I'm not sure how it's gimped.

Gmail Sync - Uh, I can get Gmail on my iPhone. There's an app for it or I can use the built in Mail app.

ROMS! - Have to root for this which you risk bricking your phone. Not for the average consumer so this is not user friendly.

Better text input and user changeable keyboard apps - How does it have better text support? I've had 3 Android devices and thought my typing was faster and more accurate on the iPhone. The Android phones couldn't keep up with my typing (HTC Evo, Nexus S 4G, Epic 4G Touch).

Google Navigation and all of the Maps apps that Android has - iOS has turn-by-turn as well, in addition to TomTom, Garmin, Waze, etc. (iOS has pretty much the same Map apps so I'm not sure where you pulled this one from).

Full customisation - "Meh" to me because I can't be bothered to theme this and theme that, change this keyboard, change that icon, etc, although I do know there are people that this matters to. Changing my wallpaper is good enough for me. I like spending more time in my apps than worrying about the theme of my home screen, etc.

4.8" v 3.5" screen - 4.8 is way too big to me, but 4 inches is perfect so I'll be all over the new iPhone.


Quad core 1.4ghz v 800mhz dual core - You wouldn't notice a difference except for in graphics. iOS is already fast so even if the iPhone was quad-core, it wouldn't be huge. Apps might open a half second faster, but that's all.

1GB ram v 512mb - Again, iOS is already smooth and manages background apps and data fine so more RAM isn't a big deal, although it would be fine to have.


SD card 16GB for £6!!! v £100 for 16GB on iPhone - Can't comment on pricing, but when you choose a storage amount, it's usually more than enough for most people.

Spare battery option - Unnecessary on iPhone. Battery never has to be removed and put back in. If you need more power, get a Mophie. If you need a new battery, will will replace it for free within your warranty.

50GB free drop box - for two years. After two years, you don't get to keep it. Who needs 50GB anyway, especially when you have your SD card in your S3 or 64GB storage on your iPhone.

Swipe unlock - Uh, iPhone has this. What's so amazing about it?

My opinions above which correlate with why iOS works better for me.

pandamonia
Jul 25, 2012, 03:15 PM
My opinions above which correlate with why iOS works better for me.

Originally Posted by pandamonia
Using this S3 and 4S side by side i can see some major things missing.

Widgets! - Battery wasters, I can go into the app and get the information I need just as quick as an Android user can go to the widget. App provides more info than widget. Err no you cant! i can see 4 different apps on my widget page giving me info and updates including the weather on my homescreen

Live Wallpapers - Waste battery, slow down the home screen and launching apps i have used 30% battery all day so i guess thats wrong. Also seems fast as ever in the S3

Chrome as a browser (not the gimped ios version) - Gimped? The iOS version can run on more devices than the Android version. Isn't that sad? Either way, it has the exact same features so I'm not sure how it's gimped. YES it IS. it cant get access to the low level API that it needs like i can on Android.

Gmail Sync - Uh, I can get Gmail on my iPhone. There's an app for it or I can use the built in Mail app. im not talking about Just Gmail. My google account seems to sync up chrome with my mac and also othet stuff too

ROMS! - Have to root for this which you risk bricking your phone. Not for the average consumer so this is not user friendly. I rooted my S3 in 5 mins and its fine? never did it before either

Better text input and user changeable keyboard apps - How does it have better text support? I've had 3 Android devices and thought my typing was faster and more accurate on the iPhone. The Android phones couldn't keep up with my typing (HTC Evo, Nexus S 4G, Epic 4G Touch). iOS keyboard sux and predictive text is terrible if nearly non existant

Google Navigation and all of the Maps apps that Android has - iOS has turn-by-turn as well, in addition to TomTom, Garmin, Waze, etc. (iOS has pretty much the same Map apps so I'm not sure where you pulled this one from). iOS doesnt have navigation or Sat Nav unless you buy one on the app store

Full customisation - "Meh" to me because I can't be bothered to theme this and theme that, change this keyboard, change that icon, etc, although I do know there are people that this matters to. Changing my wallpaper is good enough for me. I like spending more time in my apps than worrying about the theme of my home screen, etc. Boring iOS needs some sort of customisation

4.8" v 3.5" screen - 4.8 is way too big to me, but 4 inches is perfect so I'll be all over the new iPhone. Stretched out 4" screen might not be that good


Quad core 1.4ghz v 800mhz dual core - You wouldn't notice a difference except for in graphics. iOS is already fast so even if the iPhone was quad-core, it wouldn't be huge. Apps might open a half second faster, but that's all.
"600mhz makes a big difference in power and so does 4 cores v 2

1GB ram v 512mb - Again, iOS is already smooth and manages background apps and data fine so more RAM isn't a big deal, although it would be fine to have. Ram is everything. thats why the new iPAd has more!


SD card 16GB for £6!!! v £100 for 16GB on iPhone - Can't comment on pricing, but when you choose a storage amount, it's usually more than enough for most people. Lol so paying £100 for 32gb is a good deal? my iPhone has 16gb used now so i now need 32gb.. so now im looking at £100 more for more space

Spare battery option - Unnecessary on iPhone. Battery never has to be removed and put back in. If you need more power, get a Mophie. If you need a new battery, will will replace it for free within your warranty. the battery loses its capacity about 14 months after and then your screwed. it gets worse too.

50GB free drop box - for two years. After two years, you don't get to keep it. Who needs 50GB anyway, especially when you have your SD card in your S3 or 64GB storage on your iPhone. its free for 2 years thats better than nothing

Swipe unlock - Uh, iPhone has this. What's so amazing about it? never seen the pattern unlock? ios pin input is a pain

batting1000
Jul 25, 2012, 03:38 PM
Err no you cant! i can see 4 different apps on my widget page giving me info and updates including the weather on my homescreen[/I

I can see the weather on my home screen as well. I can also pull down my notifiction center to see the widget. That's two ways. Or I can click the Weather app on my front screen. That takes like 0.0001 second more than checking a widget.

[QUOTE][I]i have used 30% battery all day so i guess thats wrong. Also seems fast as ever in the S3

Depends on the device and the battery.

YES it IS. it cant get access to the low level API that it needs like i can on Android.

What's that supposed to mean? I'm not talking about API -wise because they're on two different platforms. Functionality-wise, they are identical.

im not talking about Just Gmail. My google account seems to sync up chrome with my mac and also othet stuff too

Ok and Chrome on my PC syncs with Chrome on my iPhone and iPad. What's your point?

I rooted my S3 in 5 mins and its fine? never did it before either

Depends on the type of person you are. Go ask Joe Schmoe in Walmart if he knows what rooting is and how you do it.

iOS keyboard sux and predictive text is terrible if nearly non existant

How does it suck? I type pretty fast and rarely every have issues. Who cares about predictive text? Why do I want the phone predicting what I'm gonna say? I could type the word out quicker than checking to see if it knows what I'm gonna say.

iOS doesnt have navigation or Sat Nav unless you buy one on the app store

Oh, ok. I guess Apple was just kidding when they announced turn-by-turn last month for iOS 6. :rolleyes:

Boring iOS needs some sort of customisation

No, because then it'd be copying Android and people would scream that Apple is a copy cat.

Stretched out 4" screen might not be that good

Why's that? The S3 is a taller S2. Until the 5 is released and we can see if it's only taller, everything is just a rumor. I don't see why a taller screen is such a bad thing.

"600mhz makes a big difference in power and so does 4 cores v 2

Prove that the S3 is faster than the 4S in everyday usage, not those benchmarks.

Ram is everything. thats why the new iPAd has more!


And as you can see, that 1GB does nothing but allow for more Safari tabs or more open apps. iOS on the new iPad is just as smooth and fast as it is on the iPad 2 and 4S.

Lol so paying £100 for 32gb is a good deal? my iPhone has 16gb used now so i now need 32gb.. so now im looking at £100 more for more space

Should've bought a bigger size then. You could've also tried selling your phone and buying the 32GB model if you needed more. I'm in the US so I don't know how much a euro is.

the battery loses its capacity about 14 months after and then your screwed. it gets worse too.

Apple will usually replace it once for free. If not you can always pay them to do it or go to a site like iResQ and they'll replace it for less than 50 bucks.

its free for 2 years thats better than nothing

I'm sure you've used it more than once lol

never seen the pattern unlock? ios pin input is a pain

Oh, and putting in a pattern isn't? Inputting a pin on Android is the same thing too, lol.

pandamonia
Jul 25, 2012, 04:04 PM
[QUOTE=pandamonia;15326071][I]Err no you cant! i can see 4 different apps on my widget page giving me info and updates including the weather on my homescreen[/I

I can see the weather on my home screen as well. I can also pull down my notifiction center to see the widget. That's two ways. Or I can click the Weather app on my front screen. That takes like 0.0001 second more than checking a widget.



Depends on the device and the battery.



What's that supposed to mean? I'm not talking about API -wise because they're on two different platforms. Functionality-wise, they are identical.



Ok and Chrome on my PC syncs with Chrome on my iPhone and iPad. What's your point?



Depends on the type of person you are. Go ask Joe Schmoe in Walmart if he knows what rooting is and how you do it.



How does it suck? I type pretty fast and rarely every have issues. Who cares about predictive text? Why do I want the phone predicting what I'm gonna say? I could type the word out quicker than checking to see if it knows what I'm gonna say.



Oh, ok. I guess Apple was just kidding when they announced turn-by-turn last month for iOS 6. :rolleyes:



No, because then it'd be copying Android and people would scream that Apple is a copy cat.



Why's that? The S3 is a taller S2. Until the 5 is released and we can see if it's only taller, everything is just a rumor. I don't see why a taller screen is such a bad thing.



Prove that the S3 is faster than the 4S in everyday usage, not those benchmarks.



And as you can see, that 1GB does nothing but allow for more Safari tabs or more open apps. iOS on the new iPad is just as smooth and fast as it is on the iPad 2 and 4S.



Should've bought a bigger size then. You could've also tried selling your phone and buying the 32GB model if you needed more. I'm in the US so I don't know how much a euro is.



Apple will usually replace it once for free. If not you can always pay them to do it or go to a site like iResQ and they'll replace it for less than 50 bucks.



I'm sure you've used it more than once lol



Oh, and putting in a pattern isn't? Inputting a pin on Android is the same thing too, lol.

I cant have a sensible debate with some who doesnt know the difference between a GBP sign and the Euro.

batting1000
Jul 25, 2012, 04:09 PM
I cant have a sensible debate with some who doesnt know the difference between a GBP sign and the Euro.

Sorry. I don't use either currency and I live and was born in the United States so I don't pay attention to other currency signs. It's sad that out of everything I wrote, you criticized that and didn't reply to anything else.

pandamonia
Jul 25, 2012, 05:24 PM
Sorry. I don't use either currency and I live and was born in the United States so I don't pay attention to other currency signs. It's sad that out of everything I wrote, you criticized that and didn't reply to anything else.

i own both phones and have both of them right here right now.

I can see the best of both where you can just claim you know better than me.

I can see Jelly bean really helping Android make the OS faster and responsive. iOS is losing ground every year. Android has clearly come further in a short time while iOS hasnt really changed.

People want more from iOS and apple doesnt listen. This will be there eventual demise. They think they know better but they dont.

Sensamic
Jul 25, 2012, 05:35 PM
Sorry. I don't use either currency and I live and was born in the United States so I don't pay attention to other currency signs. It's sad that out of everything I wrote, you criticized that and didn't reply to anything else.

Challenge: say 10 good things about Android or 10 things in which is better than iOS.

I can say 20 good things about iOS because I'm not attached to neither OS.

The iGentleman
Jul 25, 2012, 08:44 PM
Ok, that's fine. But it begs the question: How is the iPhone crushing Android in enterprise use if doing the above is tedious and / or unacceptable?

They obviously aren't doing it from their iPhones...



How is it half baked? It's the same exact thing you just don't connect your phone to the computer? When would you be on a work computer without an internet connection?

Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. You don't seem to have understood it.



What if the area you're in, such as a subway, has bad signal and therefore can't get information about the incoming train?

What if your phone doesn't have signal when you want to make a call? What if you don't have a signal when you want to surf the web? What if you don't have a signal when you want to send a text? You're really reaching now.


It is the case because iOS 6 has Passbook and the new iPhone will surely have NFC. I guess it just depends where you live. Few places around me in Florida have the equipment to pay using NFC.

No it is not the case. Your words were iOS has every feature Android does. It most certainly does not have that feature. You are hoping and speculating that it will get it in the future, but as of today IT DOES NOT. Case closed.


Doesn't matter how fast or slow it is, the functionality is still there. You "bump" the two phones together and the data is sent. How is that so different? Besides, have you even tried the app to see how slow or fast it really is? Doubt it.

I've already explained how it's different. Go back and re-read it. It's not even remotely close to being the same thing.




Again, how is it half baked? It does the same thing. It let's you manage files and do actions such as unraring and unzipping. It's not a hidden feature; it's stated right in the description. Managing files isn't really built into Android either. You have to download an app (Like Astro or EZ File manager) to manage files on your SD card and such. Sure you can do it, but it's not built in.

Downloading a pdf reader to use to be able to download things from the browser is actually beyond half-baked, and flat out bootleg. The average person doesn't know, to go download a pdf reader so they can go download something from the web. That isn't a logical deduction. Quite frankly that's a stupid thing to suggest that people would know. What would make a person arbitrarily decided to go download a pdf reader so they can download a file from the web? Nothing. They might stumble into that "solution", but overall the vast majority of the people would not do that. BTW, you don't have to download anything to be able to download things, and access those downloads on Android. The Android platform has a built in download manager that you can use to access files you've downloaded. You might want to become more knowledgeable before trying to state what's what in the future.



Send a file over bluetooth? Yep: itunes.apple.com/us/app/bluetooth-u/id526268815?mt=8
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Yet another half-baked workaround. What happens if that person doesn't have that app downloaded? Now they have to go download it just so they can receive the file? Not exactly impressive.

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WiFi direct: Coming in the next iPhone, but unnecessary. Never met or seen anyone actually use that.

Again, you're speculating that it's coming. They didn't include it in the 4S, yet you're sure they will include it in the next iteration? How can you be so sure? They never included DLNA, yet you think they will include wifi direct. Doubt it, but hey, hang on to hope...in the meantime....iOS doesn't have the feature.
PS
It's not in iOS 6 at all, so you're better off hoping for it in iOS 7.


Manage data use? Yep: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/my-data-manager/id477865384?mt=8

I see you love these half-baked work-arounds. That doesn't manage data use at all. That just tells you your data use. It doesn't give you any sort of way to restrict your data use. You can't limit the amount of data your phone can use, you can't control what apps use data or not, it has no control at all. That's not a data manager, that's a data viewer. A data manager allows me to actually manage how my data is being consumed, and how much is being consumed.


Have an app use background data? That just uses up battery life and uses up your data.

So now background data is a bad thing because iOS doesn't do it? Come on now, you're REALLY reaching there. Funny thing is my GS3 gets better battery life than my 4S did, and my GS3 has background data...


Facial recognition? Explain how this would be useful / make something easier to do.

It can make sharing easier. Instead of having to look up a person's contact to send them a particular thing, the phone already recognizes them in the picture and allows you to share it with them with one touch. It's a convenience thing. Also, there are more and more things being developed that utilize facial recognition. For example, now there's face unlock with blink detection. That's more secure than the first face unlock, because you can't use a picture. Facial recognition is an innovation that can be built upon.


I can do this with Bump.
Back to this bump thing huh? I'll steal your little reach from earlier....what if you don't have a signal? ....I guess then it's back to manual input for you huh? lol

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The iPhone is for the mainstream consumer and this is obvious. If you feel the need to change the ISO (most don't even know what this is) or for some reason change the MP the picture is, you need a DSLR or any camera that's not a phone. It's obvious the iPhone still takes amazing pictures without all that nonsense.


I need a DSLR if I don't want to take a large picture? So if I have no need for my picture to be 8mp, and instead want it at 5mp, I should use a DSLR?! That's some kind of silly logic you're got there. So if I want to change the ISO so I get a better picture, I should use a DSLR?! I'm sorry but that notion is just plain asinine. The iPhone doesn't always take great pictures, and it could benefit from the ISO being able to be adjusted. Here's an example of a picture in the dark. Notice how the iPhone's picture looks much worse due to the ISO setting the camera chose. It got outdone by the Galaxy Nexus' camera simply because the iPhone couldn't set the correct ISO automatically and has no way to do it manually.

batting1000
Jul 25, 2012, 09:19 PM
They obviously aren't doing it from their iPhones...

That's debatable.

Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. You don't seem to have understood it.

I understood it fully. You didn't understand my reply.

What if your phone doesn't have signal when you want to make a call? What if you don't have a signal when you want to surf the web? What if you don't have a signal when you want to send a text? You're really reaching now.

The fact is it's useless when you don't have signal. You even said early that sending things to cloud storage was useless when you have no internet connection on your computer. It's the same concept.

No it is not the case. Your words were iOS has every feature Android does. It most certainly does not have that feature. You are hoping and speculating that it will get it in the future, but as of today IT DOES NOT. Case closed.

Well ok then. That's one thing.


I've already explained how it's different. Go back and re-read it. It's not even remotely close to being the same thing.

Yes it is and you won't admit it. With Android Beam, you put the backs of the phones together and touch to beam. With Bump, you do the same exact thing and the data you chose is transmitted and shows up on the other persons device. I'm not sure how that's "not even remotely close to being the same thing".

Downloading a pdf reader to use to be able to download things from the browser is actually beyond half-baked, and flat out bootleg. The average person doesn't know, to go download a pdf reader so they can go download something from the web. That isn't a logical deduction. Quite frankly that's a stupid thing to suggest that people would know. What would make a person arbitrarily decided to go download a pdf reader so they can download a file from the web? Nothing. They might stumble into that "solution", but overall the vast majority of the people would not do that. BTW, you don't have to download anything to be able to download things, and access those downloads on Android. The Android platform has a built in download manager that you can use to access files you've downloaded. You might want to become more knowledgeable before trying to state what's what in the future.

You're failing to see that it's not just a PDF reader and the fact that it can handle files is one of it's OTHER main features. Sure it [Android] has a built in Download Manager, but if you wanted to unrar or unzip something for example, you'd need to download a FILE MANAGER. You might want to become more knowledgeable before trying to state what's what in the future.

Yet another half-baked workaround. What happens if that person doesn't have that app downloaded? Now they have to go download it just so they can receive the file? Not exactly impressive.

Takes two seconds. You're acting like it's so laborious to do. You can't admit to the fact that it does the same thing. You still fail to explain how it's half-baked.

Again, you're speculating that it's coming. They didn't include it in the 4S, yet you're sure they will include it in the next iteration? How can you be so sure? They never included DLNA, yet you think they will include wifi direct. Doubt it, but hey, hang on to hope...in the meantime....iOS doesn't have the feature.
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It's not in iOS 6 at all, so you're better off hoping for it in iOS 7.

Because it wouldn't work with current devices. We'll see....

I see you love these half-baked work-arounds. That doesn't manage data use at all. That just tells you your data use. It doesn't give you any sort of way to restrict your data use. You can't limit the amount of data your phone can use, you can't control what apps use data or not, it has no control at all. That's not a data manager, that's a data viewer. A data manager allows me to actually manage how my data is being consumed, and how much is being consumed.

iOS doesn't use data in the background so this isn't an issue. The reason Android has built in data management is because so many services for apps run in the background eating up data. The app works perfect for iOS.

So now background data is a bad thing because iOS doesn't do it? Come on now, you're REALLY reaching there. Funny thing is my GS3 gets better battery life than my 4S did, and my GS3 has background data...

Makes sense...it does have 700 mAh more than the iPhone.

It can make sharing easier. Instead of having to look up a person's contact to send them a particular thing, the phone already recognizes them in the picture and allows you to share it with them with one touch. It's a convenience thing. Also, there are more and more things being developed that utilize facial recognition. For example, now there's face unlock with blink detection. That's more secure than the first face unlock, because you can't use a picture. Facial recognition is an innovation that can be built upon.

Seems gimmicky but OK.


Back to this bump thing huh? I'll steal your little reach from earlier....what if you don't have a signal? ....I guess then it's back to manual input for you huh? lol

I usually have signal unless i'm in the middle of no where. If for some reason I don't, I can always add it manually which wouldn't take more than 5 seconds.

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I'm not a camera guy so I can't really comment on how changing the settings would affect the image. I can honestly say I've never felt the need to chnge such settings with any of my Android devices.

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I feel like we're going in circles here and I quite frankly don't have it in me to keep responding.

wiredup72
Jul 25, 2012, 09:51 PM
I really need a break from iOS. I just wish they would modernise it a little bit.. its just getting a little bit boring to look at every day.


It's a phone, not a book or movie. What does boring have to do with it?

Enjoy whatever you get, that is all that matters. These are just consumer toys, so go with what you like.
Peace.

The iGentleman
Jul 25, 2012, 10:33 PM
That's debatable.

No it isn't....it isn't possible in iOS. There is no debate. You can't do it, simple as that.



I understood it fully. You didn't understand my reply.

Apparently you did not. But hey, it wouldn't be the first time you've had trouble with comprehension.


The fact is it's useless when you don't have signal. You even said early that sending things to cloud storage was useless when you have no internet connection on your computer. It's the same concept.
Fortunately, for me I am without a signal less than 1% of the time....



Well ok then. That's one thing.

No I've named several things...you just make excuses for why it isn't there, or provide some half-baked workaround.



Yes it is and you won't admit it. With Android Beam, you put the backs of the phones together and touch to beam. With Bump, you do the same exact thing and the data you chose is transmitted and shows up on the other persons device. I'm not sure how that's "not even remotely close to being the same thing".
As I've already stated, try doing that with a large file and you'll see very quickly how different it is. It what would take me anywhere from seconds to a couple minutes, could possibly take you as long as an hour or more for some large files. Not to mention the hit on your data plan if you're transferring large files over cellular. It isn't close to the same thing. NFC is direct peer to peer. Bump is a work around that uses the internet to transfer files. It's no different than me sending you a file on yahoo messenger. There's nothing even remotely close about it.



You're failing to see that it's not just a PDF reader and the fact that it can handle files is one of it's OTHER main features. Sure it [Android] has a built in Download Manager, but if you wanted to unrar or unzip something for example, you'd need to download a FILE MANAGER. You might want to become more knowledgeable before trying to state what's what in the future.

Now you're attempting to qualify your statement. As stated you don't need a file manager to download a file on Android. Period point blank. PS, if you really want to get down to it, there are Android phones that come with file managers (a la the GS3). That said, there's a big difference in a person downloading a file manager, and a person going to download a pdf reader in hopes to use it to download files. That's just a stupid comparison to make. What you won't admit is, your "solution" would never even be thought of by the average user. No person would equate a pdf reader with downloading content in the browser. Furthermore, the developer themselves even call it a pdf reader, so for you to present as something else is a bit misleading. I guess they got it wrong in their description huh? Here are their words for you "GoodReader® is the super-robust highly-rated PDF reader with advanced reading and annotating capabilities. Reviews worldwide hail it as “essential,” “the best,” “magnificent” and “the killer app”. With GoodReader on your iPhone, you can read virtually anything, anywhere: books, movies, maps, pictures. Use it once and you’ll be hooked."[i]
Furthermore, this so-called downloading ability you're touting is extremely limited and is nowhere near the same thing. Heck you can't even download html5 video without having to use some wacky bookmark workaround. Come with something better than that half-baked sorry excuse for a work around. lol @ you having to use a pdf reader to download content from the web....and not even able to download everything. Do better.



Takes two seconds. You're acting like it's so laborious to do. You can't admit to the fact that it does the same thing. You still fail to explain how it's half-baked.
LMAO! It takes two seconds for someone to go to the app store and download the file, set it up, and use it? Get out of here with that nonsense. There is no way you can equate that with a person having to do nothing but tap share via bluetooth on their phone. At least if you're going to debate, be rational.



Because it wouldn't work with current devices. We'll see....

..well while you're waiting to see....IT'S ISN'T IN iOS...better luck in iOS 7.



iOS doesn't use data in the background so this isn't an issue. The reason Android has built in data management is because so many services for apps run in the background eating up data. The app works perfect for iOS.

Again you seem to have an issue with comprehension. That is not a manager. It cannot even limit the amount of data you use as a whole. That app has no data management capabilities AT ALL. Again, it's a data viewer, not a data manager. Background data aside, it can't even manage what you actively use. Yet another feature iOS doesn't have. Make excuses all you want, that app has no functionality.


Makes sense...it [I]does have 700 mAh more than the iPhone.

It also has a screen that is 27% larger, LTE, etc. What's your point? My GNex also got better battery than my 4S, and that's only a 280 mAh difference. Stop making excuses.


Seems gimmicky but OK.

Bottom line is iOS can't recognize faces. Period point blank. Call it what you want, but make sure you call it something iOS doesn't have.



I usually have signal unless i'm in the middle of no where. If for some reason I don't, I can always add it manually which wouldn't take more than 5 seconds.

Fortunately for me, my signal doesn't matter, all I have to do is tap and go. I don't have time to wait for them to download bump, set it up, and then use it, just so I can give them my number. I'd much rather just tap my phone and keep it moving. BTW, it takes more than 5 seconds... I see you love to exaggerate.

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I'm not a camera guy so I can't really comment on how changing the settings would affect the image. I can honestly say I've never felt the need to chnge such settings with any of my Android devices.

Guess what? That's your CHOICE. For those of us that are a bit more savvy, we have the choice of making whatever adjustment we would like, instead of having the settings dictated to us. Since when was having choice a bad thing? As exhibited in the pictures I provided, it's obviously a good thing to have. There's no doubt the 4S has a better camera than the GNex, yet the Gnex produced the better picture due to the 4S choosing a poor ISO choice. Being able to manually set it on the GNex produced a better picture. Choice for the win!

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I feel like we're going in circles here and I quite frankly don't have it in me to keep responding.
In other words, you're running out of excuses and work-arounds? lol

Sensamic
Jul 25, 2012, 10:58 PM
Id say...

The iGentleman - 5 vs Batting1000 - 0

batting1000
Jul 26, 2012, 09:44 AM
The fact is iGentleman is unable to admit that iOS has almost the exact same features as Android and that some of them are in the form of third party apps. The fact that they are 3rd party is irrelevant and is one of his excuses, in addition to it being "half-baked" and a "workaround". I've used 3 Android phones for probably a two and a half years total so I have a pretty good idea of how the features work in addition to rooting them for ICS, etc (I've actually used Android more than iPhone). For you to tell me these features are workarounds or half baked is just your excuse for not wanting to admit these features exist on iOS. It's apparent your goal is mock those who chose an OS that works better for them and don't care about having all these extras built in. I'm not running out excuses as I've offered an iOS equivalent for 99% of what you've said to me, except like I said, you are failing to admit they work correctly or work like their Android counterpart.

BFizzzle
Jul 26, 2012, 10:17 AM
ffs people what are you trying to prove?. Like batting said, just choose a phone based on your needs.
All phones can pretty much get it done one way or another, whether or not its 3rd party apps, jailbreak etc.
Android does somethings better than iOS, and iOS does somethings better than android.

The iGentleman
Jul 26, 2012, 11:05 PM
The fact is iGentleman is unable to admit that iOS has almost the exact same features as Android and that some of them are in the form of third party apps. The fact that they are 3rd party is irrelevant and is one of his excuses, in addition to it being "half-baked" and a "workaround". I've used 3 Android phones for probably a two and a half years total so I have a pretty good idea of how the features work in addition to rooting them for ICS, etc (I've actually used Android more than iPhone). For you to tell me these features are workarounds or half baked is just your excuse for not wanting to admit these features exist on iOS. It's apparent your goal is mock those who chose an OS that works better for them and don't care about having all these extras built in. I'm not running out excuses as I've offered an iOS equivalent for 99% of what you've said to me, except like I said, you are failing to admit they work correctly or work like their Android counterpart.

No, your pride just can't let you admit there are features on Android that your precious OS doesn't have. You refuse to admit that downloading a pdf reader and using bookmark workarounds to download an HTML 5 file, is not the same as being able to download any file you want. You refuse to admit that uploading a file to the web and having someone download it is not the same as a local peer to peer direct NFC file transfer. You refuse to admit two people having to be running the same app to send something over bluetooth is not the same as being able to send anyone anything at any time over bluetooth. I've never said anything about the fact you mentioned 3rd party "solutions". The problem isn't they're 3rd party, the problem is they aren't the same. A data VIEWER that can only look at data, is not the same as being able to control how much data is used. I don't know why it's so hard for you to come to terms with the fact there are several features that are not present in iOS, but it doesn't change the fact that it's true. The bottom line is, I can't transfer anything to you via NFC. In order for me to get you the information, I'd have to download an app just for you. The bottom line is if I sent you a link to my site's raw access logs, you would not be able to download it (not even with your pdf reader workaround). The bottom line is, you can't limit the maximum amount of data your phone can use in a billing cycle, you can only monitor it, but you can't control it. There are features you simply don't have, it really just comes down to that. Instead of trying to come up with silly workarounds and excuses, just admit it and move on.

batting1000
Jul 27, 2012, 09:41 AM
No, your pride just can't let you admit there are features on Android that your precious OS doesn't have. You refuse to admit that downloading a pdf reader and using bookmark workarounds to download an HTML 5 file, is not the same as being able to download any file you want. You refuse to admit that uploading a file to the web and having someone download it is not the same as a local peer to peer direct NFC file transfer. You refuse to admit two people having to be running the same app to send something over bluetooth is not the same as being able to send anyone anything at any time over bluetooth. I've never said anything about the fact you mentioned 3rd party "solutions". The problem isn't they're 3rd party, the problem is they aren't the same. A data VIEWER that can only look at data, is not the same as being able to control how much data is used. I don't know why it's so hard for you to come to terms with the fact there are several features that are not present in iOS, but it doesn't change the fact that it's true. The bottom line is, I can't transfer anything to you via NFC. In order for me to get you the information, I'd have to download an app just for you. The bottom line is if I sent you a link to my site's raw access logs, you would not be able to download it (not even with your pdf reader workaround). The bottom line is, you can't limit the maximum amount of data your phone can use in a billing cycle, you can only monitor it, but you can't control it. There are features you simply don't have, it really just comes down to that. Instead of trying to come up with silly workarounds and excuses, just admit it and move on.

If that's what you want to believe then let it be. I'm not really sure what your goal is. iOS works better for me and that's that. I'm not saying either OS is better, but the fact that you're attempting to convince me that Android is better by pointing out all these things you think only iOS can do.

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ffs people what are you trying to prove?. Like batting said, just choose a phone based on your needs.
All phones can pretty much get it done one way or another, whether or not its 3rd party apps, jailbreak etc.
Android does somethings better than iOS, and iOS does somethings better than android.

Exactly. Thank you.

The iGentleman
Jul 27, 2012, 11:23 AM
If that's what you want to believe then let it be. I'm not really sure what your goal is. iOS works better for me and that's that. I'm not saying either OS is better, but the fact that you're attempting to convince me that Android is better by pointing out all these things you think only iOS can do.[COLOR="#808080"]


I guess you have a hard time keeping up with what's going on. My posts weren't to attempt to convince you that Android is better. If you recall, my posts were in response to your statement saying iOS has every feature Android has. Remember, I told you that was not the case, then when on to give you examples of why it isn't the case. That wasn't to prove one OS is better than the other, it was to disprove your statement. You can enjoy iOS, that's fine. I have no problem with you liking whatever OS you want. However, liking an OS does not give you the right to spew misinformation and fallacies. Like what you want, but there is no need to blatantly provide people with incorrect information.

batting1000
Jul 27, 2012, 11:27 AM
I guess you have a hard time keeping up with what's going on. My posts weren't to attempt to convince you that Android is better. If you recall, my posts were in response to your statement saying iOS has every feature Android has. Remember, I told you that was not the case, then when on to give you examples of why it isn't the case. That wasn't to prove one OS is better than the other, it was to disprove your statement. You can enjoy iOS, that's fine. I have no problem with you liking whatever OS you want. However, liking an OS does not give you the right to spew misinformation and fallacies. Like what you want, but there is no need to blatantly provide people with incorrect information.

Yes, but you felt you needed to disprove me by providing me with features you thought iOS didn't have, whether it be built in or by way of a 3rd party app. I then provided you with iOS equivalents and you saw them as half-baked workarounds, which is untrue because they performed essentially the same functions.

I have yet to "blatantly spew misinformation", although I've probably said somethings you didn't like / want to admit to. Your examples of why they weren't equivalent to their Android counterparts were just excuses.

The iGentleman
Jul 27, 2012, 11:43 AM
Yes, but you felt you needed to disprove me by providing me with features you thought iOS didn't have, whether it be built in or by way of a 3rd party app. I then provided you with iOS equivalents and you saw them as half-baked workarounds, which is untrue because they performed essentially the same functions.

I have yet to "blatantly spew misinformation", although I've probably said somethings you didn't like / want to admit to. Your examples of why they weren't equivalent to their Android counterparts were just excuses.

I'm sorry but half-baked bootleg workarounds aren't "essentially the same thing". Using a pdf reader app, and a bookmark workaround to be able to download an html5 video is not the same as being able to download any file you want. Uploading a file to the internet and having someone download it from a link is not the same as an NFC direct file transfer. lol if that's the same thing then yahoo messenger is the same thing too, and so is email, and dropbox, and rapidfire, and anything else I can upload a file to and give you the link for. Stop with the nonsense, you only make yourself look silly. Even an iPhone fan would have to agree that your little work arounds and excuses are ridiculous.

batting1000
Jul 27, 2012, 12:07 PM
I'm sorry but half-baked bootleg workarounds aren't "essentially the same thing". Using a pdf reader app, and a bookmark workaround to be able to download an html5 video is not the same as being able to download any file you want.

Nope, no bookmark required. I click the file I want to download and I get this screen:

I can even choose to open it in another app like Dropbox or any other app on my phone that will open files.

The iGentleman
Jul 27, 2012, 12:54 PM
Nope, no bookmark required. I click the file I want to download and I get this screen:

I can even choose to open it in another app like Dropbox or any other app on my phone that will open files.

When I said the bookmark, I was referring to html5 videos (like I stated). They even give you the instructions for how to download it on their site (using the bookmark workaround). As for the other things, it still goes back to what I said earlier, having to use a pdf reader as your means of downloading is not only a workaround, but an odd workaround that wouldn't be obvious to the vast majority of the people. If a person didn't know about Goodreader, then they wouldn't know to use it as a means to download. No person who was looking for a way to download a file would think to download a pdf reader to accomplish it. Again, it's just a half-baked workaround.

batting1000
Jul 27, 2012, 01:02 PM
When I said the bookmark, I was referring to html5 videos (like I stated). They even give you the instructions for how to download it on their site (using the bookmark workaround). As for the other things, it still goes back to what I said earlier, having to use a pdf reader as your means of downloading is not only a workaround, but an odd workaround that wouldn't be obvious to the vast majority of the people. If a person didn't know about Goodreader, then they wouldn't know to use it as a means to download. No person who was looking for a way to download a file would think to download a pdf reader to accomplish it. Again, it's just a half-baked workaround.

They would search Goggle and probably find that GoodReader does what they want. It's not a half-baked workaround feature-wise, but half-baked because it's not built in and someone wouldn't know it it does what it does.

The iGentleman
Jul 27, 2012, 01:31 PM
They would search Goggle and probably find that GoodReader does what they want. It's not a half-baked workaround feature-wise, but half-baked because it's not built in and someone wouldn't know it it does what it does.

On that we can agree.

Wrathwitch
Jul 31, 2012, 12:56 PM
The iPhone 4 was junk. it wasnt even good enough to be called a phone. It was a PDA that could sometimes make a phone call. IT WAS THAT BAD!

There are manufacturing problems which everyone has and there are just down right bugs and broken software than they never fix. Apple is the worst for never admitting its broken. 7 new phones!! 7!!!! eventually they stopped giving me refurbs and sent me a retail packaged iPhone 4 which i sold right away. I had a 4S to see if the issues were fixed and guess what... they were!! Funny how a new phone fixes the bugs but they didnt fix the 4...

Samsung is now outselling Apple 2 to 1 on Smartphones. I wonder why? Because people like me are getting sick and tired of the same crap year after year.

I have had my S3 for one day and yes i have crashed a few apps a few times but on the whole it seems more fun to use then my 4S. When Jelly bean comes it will be faster and smoother than currently which actually isnt bad at all right now.

Apple is going to get caught out now Android has caught up and surpassed in many ways. Apple arent doing anything worth while to the iPhone 5 in ios 6.

Im really not looking forward to a stretched out iphone 4 as the iphone 5.

Several points here:

I completely disagree with you on the iP4. I had it as a trusty and reliable device for 2 years maybe 3-4 dropped calls in that whole time. In fact, I had to replace my first GS3 because it was dropping calls as often as a prostitute drops her panties on payday! more calls dropped in one week than on my iP4 in 2 years. Current phone works great though.

Secondly, is anyone else just scrolling through the arguing BS that Battling the OP and iGentlemen have posted? No one wants to read your arguements, perhaps take it to PMs? It's like you guys ended up in a playground sandbox fight or something. Kinda feels like watching the peanuts cartoon when you heard the teachers "mwah mwah whanh mwannnh".

Thirdly, in trying to bring this back to the original topic, I too switched to the SSGS3 and don't mind the phone at all. So far so good. I too was bored with the same old squares staring at me day in and day out. iOS5 did not offer me any incentives to want to buy "tallphone". So perhaps in two years, (hopefully my GS3 lives as well as my original iP4 did) I will re-evaluate the next iPhone!

nickchallis92
Jul 31, 2012, 02:46 PM
batting, igentlemen is walking all over you. You know what he's saying is right, we all know what he is saying is right.

Android is a more complete OS whereas iOS depends on third party applications to do the same things, which often aren't as good.

the wifi direct/bluetooth/having to download an app being just as easy is a comical argument:o

batting1000
Jul 31, 2012, 03:50 PM
batting, igentlemen is walking all over you. You know what he's saying is right, we all know what he is saying is right.

Android is a more complete OS whereas iOS depends on third party applications to do the same things, which often aren't as good.

the wifi direct/bluetooth/having to download an app being just as easy is a comical argument:o

It's all your opinion. I could gather many people who feel the same as I do. I'm not trying to imply either OS is superior than the other. iOS works better for me and that's that. I could care less if he is "walking all over me", it doesn't affect me. It's in Apple's DNA to focus on what matters most and leave the more trivial stuff to the app developers and then spotlight them and that's what I like.

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Secondly, is anyone else just scrolling through the arguing BS that Battling the OP and iGentlemen have posted?

Batting*

nickchallis92
Jul 31, 2012, 06:21 PM
pretty sure basic filesharing between two handsets isn't "trivial"

batting1000
Jul 31, 2012, 06:55 PM
pretty sure basic filesharing between two handsets isn't "trivial"

Pretty sure it is when there is a multitude of other ways I could do it on my iPhone and iPad.

Rennir
Jul 31, 2012, 08:33 PM
Pretty sure it is when there is a multitude of other ways I could do it on my iPhone and iPad.

But specific methods aren't "trivial". Apple and co. have patented many of these "trivial" methods of sharing information--correct me if I'm wrong, and have been suing each other over said patents. Unless you're providing commentary on these type of patents in general.

Oohara
Jul 31, 2012, 09:04 PM
There is a myth that iOS is stable and works.

Its better than it was... but it used to be horrible.

Its stable mostly because its so locked down that nothing can be done that apple wont want you to do.

Right now iOS is the volvo of the mobile phone world... just runs and run and runs... its beige and boring... its a volvo.

Time to trade it in for something a little more exciting.. if it crashes who cares.
Haha, brilliant! That's a perfect way to describe how I feel too.

Wrathwitch
Aug 1, 2012, 08:04 AM
It's all your opinion. I could gather many people who feel the same as I do. I'm not trying to imply either OS is superior than the other. iOS works better for me and that's that. I could care less if he is "walking all over me", it doesn't affect me. It's in Apple's DNA to focus on what matters most and leave the more trivial stuff to the app developers and then spotlight them and that's what I like.

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Batting*

By your behaviour, you could have fooled me! Battling.