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MacRumors
Jul 23, 2012, 10:53 PM
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In addition to coverage of all-new iPod touch and iPod nano models (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/23/apple-planning-all-new-ipod-touch-and-ipod-nano-for-september-launch/) in his report released earlier today, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo also offered more predictions about Apple's iOS device plans for the September-October timeframe. According to Kuo, Apple is looking to launch the next-generation iPhone in September, perhaps closer to the beginning of the month. But with component shortages and limited on-sale time during the quarter following an expected pullback from consumers in expectation of the launch, he predicts only a modest bump in unit sales over the second quarter's numbers.iPhone 5 to debut in September. But due to in-cell touch panel and casing yield rate limits, ability to offset older models' shipments decrease will be moderate.On the iPad front, Kuo is expecting the iPad mini to debut later in September following component ramping in August. He predicts sales of just 1.8 million units during the short time the device will be on sale during the third quarter, exploding to overtake the full-size iPad in the fourth quarter with an estimate of over 13 million units.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/03/ipad_mini_mockup_iphone.jpg
Mockup (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/23/this-is-what-a-7-85-inch-ipad-looks-and-feels-like/) of 7.85-inch "iPad mini" next to an iPhone (courtesy of CiccareseDesign (http://www.ciccaresedesign.com/))
Interestingly, Kuo also claims that Apple will be tweaking the internals of the current full-size iPad around the same time, making changes to address thermal issues and reduce costs. Digitimes had previously claimed (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/06/sketchy-claims-of-revamped-ipad-with-igzo-display-and-thinner-enclosure-in-late-2012/) that Apple would be revamping the third-generation iPad later this year with a thinner enclosure, IGZO display, and new heat dissipation capabilities, but Kuo's sources indicate that the changes will be invisible to users.Though shipments of iPad mini's components will start in August, the new iPad line will end production, ready for transition to a modified New iPad line. As such, component shipments will drop in August as iPad mini's components shipments growth will be offset. On a side note, the modified New iPad shares the same exterior as the original model, but contains modifications to correct its thermal dissipation problem and lower-cost components.Overall, Kuo is predicting massive iPhone and iPad sales for the fourth quarter of 2012 once the new models have full quarters of sales to build upon. His estimates put total iPhone sales at over 55 million and iPad sales at nearly 24 million during the quarter, spurred in large part by momentum from the iPhone and iPad mini launches.

Article Link: Tweaked iPad and New 'iPad Mini' Said to Closely Follow Next-Generation iPhone Launch (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/23/tweaked-ipad-and-new-ipad-mini-said-to-closely-follow-next-generation-iphone-launch/)



na1577
Jul 23, 2012, 10:55 PM
I stopped reading at "analyst".

arn
Jul 23, 2012, 10:56 PM
I stopped reading at "analyst".

except he's been regularly accurate in the past.

arn

celui
Jul 23, 2012, 10:59 PM
You need to get her name right. Is Kuo (this article) or Cho (previous one). And also in many Asian languages, family name is printed first, that's just a sign of respect (ex: Hu Jiantao)

greytmom
Jul 23, 2012, 11:00 PM
It seems a little schizophrenic of Apple, doesn't it? Will be interesting to see what ends up being true.

Reaktor5
Jul 23, 2012, 11:00 PM
Apple is not going to tweak the new iPad until next year.

na1577
Jul 23, 2012, 11:00 PM
except he's been regularly accurate in the past.

arn

Accurate or not, they're still only predictions. I could predict a new iPhone this fall and I would likely be correct. But that doesn't grant me any credibility as a reliable source.

(Yes, I realize these posts are more generated for discussion than actual news. But reiterating the same few predictions from analysts gets tiresome after a while)

arn
Jul 23, 2012, 11:03 PM
Accurate or not, they're still only predictions. I could predict a new iPhone this fall and I would likely be correct. But that doesn't grant me any credibility as a reliable source.

He's gotten very specific details correct in the past. So yes, if you could regularly offer accurate predictions with specifics, then yes, you would be considered a reliable source.

here are some that were on target:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/08/apple-to-introduce-third-macbook-line-with-retina-display-at-wwdc/
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/23/apple-predicted-to-discontinue-17-inch-macbook-pro/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/12/apple-sending-ios-5-to-iphone-assemblers-at-end-of-september-no-sign-of-redesigned-iphone-5/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/22/apple-planning-to-introduce-white-ipod-touch-later-this-year/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/19/apple-phasing-out-white-macbook-in-favor-of-entry-level-macbook-air/

Were they just lucky guesses? Well, if so, he guesses well. So, we should still listen to him. :)

arn

rtdunham
Jul 23, 2012, 11:03 PM
Why are iPad bezels so disproportionately large compared to the bezel on the iPhone? Is it just to increase size in order to accommodate a bigger battery? How many of you would prefer smaller width & height dimensions and a little more thickness, to achieve the same mass of battery?

My argument: Shrink the bezel and the frontal area. It's not thickness that determines whether a device will fit in a pocket, at least not where thin iPads are involved; it's width & height.

DrJohnnyN
Jul 23, 2012, 11:06 PM
New toys for me!

Reaktor5
Jul 23, 2012, 11:06 PM
Why are iPad bezels so disproportionately large compared to the bezel on the iPhone? Is it just to increase size in order to accommodate a bigger battery? How many of you would prefer smaller width & height dimensions and a little more thickness, to achieve the same mass of battery?

My argument: Shrink the bezel and the frontal area. It's not thickness that determines whether a device will fit in a pocket, at least not where thin iPads are involved; it's width & height.

I think it's so you can hold it in a comfortable way without touching the screen causing sporadic movements from your fingers.

Caliber26
Jul 23, 2012, 11:07 PM
Why are iPad bezels so disproportionately large compared to the bezel on the iPhone? Is it just to increase size in order to accommodate a bigger battery? How many of you would prefer smaller width & height dimensions and a little more thickness, to achieve the same mass of battery?

My argument: Shrink the bezel and the frontal area. It's not thickness that determines whether a device will fit in a pocket, at least not where thin iPads are involved; it's width & height.

The way you hold an iPhone is very different than how you hold an iPad. If the bezel were thinner, your fingers would provide unwanted input.

Accurate or not, they're still only predictions. I could predict a new iPhone this fall and I would likely be correct. But that doesn't grant me any credibility as a reliable source.

(Yes, I realize these posts are more generated for discussion site clicks than actual news. But reiterating the same few predictions from analysts gets tiresome after a while)

Fixed. ;)

belltree
Jul 23, 2012, 11:08 PM
Hopefully "tweaked internals for the full-size iPad" will turn out to be a die shrink for the A5X inside the iPad3 to 32nm or possibly smaller. A decrease in heat and power consumption would be welcome.

MrDelux
Jul 23, 2012, 11:11 PM
So is he/she predicting that iPhone 5 parts will be hard to come by and as a result iPhone 5 shortages??

greytmom
Jul 23, 2012, 11:12 PM
He's gotten very specific details correct in the past. So yes, if you could regularly offer accurate predictions with specifics, then yes, you would be considered a reliable source.

here are some that were on target:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/08/apple-to-introduce-third-macbook-line-with-retina-display-at-wwdc/
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/23/apple-predicted-to-discontinue-17-inch-macbook-pro/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/12/apple-sending-ios-5-to-iphone-assemblers-at-end-of-september-no-sign-of-redesigned-iphone-5/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/22/apple-planning-to-introduce-white-ipod-touch-later-this-year/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/19/apple-phasing-out-white-macbook-in-favor-of-entry-level-macbook-air/

Were they just lucky guesses? Well, if so, he guesses well. So, we should still listen to him. :)

arn

If that's luck, I'd like to shake his hand. And then buy a lottery ticket.

charlituna
Jul 23, 2012, 11:20 PM
except he's been regularly accurate in the past.


Even the best can make a mistake

justperry
Jul 23, 2012, 11:22 PM
It's gonna be a few busy months for Apple if this all comes reality.

New iPhone, new iPods, iMacs?, 13" rMBP and what more.

I do believe that Apple will tweak the iPad just to make it cooler, could even go with a smaller battery if they shrink the A5X.

Icy1007
Jul 23, 2012, 11:42 PM
I seriously doubt there will be an "iPad mini". I also don't see an update to the iPad until at least next year.

RobertMartens
Jul 23, 2012, 11:48 PM
Apple is not going to tweak the new iPad until next year.

duh

plus also iPad mini, as if

dra
Jul 23, 2012, 11:59 PM
mini ipad is a better name

MacinDoc
Jul 24, 2012, 12:00 AM
Accurate or not, they're still only predictions. I could predict a new iPhone this fall and I would likely be correct. But that doesn't grant me any credibility as a reliable source.

(Yes, I realize these posts are more generated for discussion than actual news. But reiterating the same few predictions from analysts gets tiresome after a while)
His predictions are a good deal more specific than "new iPhone this fall". They refer to specific months during which multiple products will allegedly be deployed. The large number of predictions made has two effects: it increases the probability that they will be right about at least one, and it increases the probability that they will be wrong with at least one. So if they are right with the majority of their timeline, their credibility will be further enhanced. If they are right with all of the predictions, I suspect Apple Legal will be having a talk with them.

chanyitian
Jul 24, 2012, 12:02 AM
Why are iPad bezels so disproportionately large compared to the bezel on the iPhone? Is it just to increase size in order to accommodate a bigger battery? How many of you would prefer smaller width & height dimensions and a little more thickness, to achieve the same mass of battery?

My argument: Shrink the bezel and the frontal area. It's not thickness that determines whether a device will fit in a pocket, at least not where thin iPads are involved; it's width & height.

I am sorry but I disagree with you. I think that the iPad should not have a much thinner bezel. This is because the iPad is significantly larger than the iPhone which makes one hand operation impossible. you need to hold it and press your thumbs on the surface of the iPad so that it won't fall. If the bezel of the iPad is thin, it means more accidental, unintended touch on the touch screen, which is a disaster. Therefore, I don't think that Apple will dramatically reduce the width of the bezel of the iPad, even if its technologically possible.

iisdan
Jul 24, 2012, 12:15 AM
Makes fun of android for fragmentation, takes it as a challenge

bushido
Jul 24, 2012, 03:04 AM
damn just bought my new iPad two weeks ago. should have waited maybe because the charging time and the heat is redic as of right now.

its probably going to be a quiet update, like on the tweaked iPad 2

Pressure
Jul 24, 2012, 03:29 AM
I think the tweak will come in the form of a 32 nm A5X and that is it.

Alith
Jul 24, 2012, 03:58 AM
Why do people keep referring to the 6th iPhone as the iPhone 5?

nick_elt
Jul 24, 2012, 04:23 AM
Why do people keep referring to the 6th iPhone as the iPhone 5?

Thread ruined. By this guy ^^^^^^^

gatortpk
Jul 24, 2012, 04:40 AM
He's gotten very specific details correct in the past. So yes, if you could regularly offer accurate predictions with specifics, then yes, you would be considered a reliable source.

here are some that were on target:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/08/apple-to-introduce-third-macbook-line-with-retina-display-at-wwdc/
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/23/apple-predicted-to-discontinue-17-inch-macbook-pro/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/12/apple-sending-ios-5-to-iphone-assemblers-at-end-of-september-no-sign-of-redesigned-iphone-5/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/22/apple-planning-to-introduce-white-ipod-touch-later-this-year/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/19/apple-phasing-out-white-macbook-in-favor-of-entry-level-macbook-air/

Were they just lucky guesses? Well, if so, he guesses well. So, we should still listen to him. :)

arn

I like analyst Ming-Chi Kuo's prediction on the last article quoted above:
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/19/apple-phasing-out-white-macbook-in-favor-of-entry-level-macbook-air/

Notice at the bottom of the article at Outcome. It was the very next day, after the article was written, that the analyst's prediction came true. The analyst bases this on Apple's internal shipment forecasts.

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Hopefully "tweaked internals for the full-size iPad" will turn out to be a die shrink for the A5X inside the iPad3 to 32nm or possibly smaller. A decrease in heat and power consumption would be welcome.

Also, most of the heat actually comes from the display (especially when brightness is all the way up), so an IGZO display using only one light bar would cut the heat down to iPad 2 levels. The new iPad (March, 2012) display uses up to 7 watts, the iPad 2 display uses only 2.4 watts. That's where most of the heat comes from.

An A5X shrink would reduce the heat "spot" on the back and hopefully take no more power (watts) than the A5 in the original iPad 2 (not the newer iPad 2 / iPad 2,4 with the 32nm A5, which takes even less power)

Darlo770
Jul 24, 2012, 04:57 AM
If this is true they better be prepared to replace mine. I lost 65% battery yesterday. Backlight very low. Not particularly heavy usage, just web browsing. FrankenPad.

Swordylove
Jul 24, 2012, 05:55 AM
Reduced cost just means higher profit margin for Apple or lower price for consumers?

Sasoon
Jul 24, 2012, 06:00 AM
7.85 iPad is going to be great size
Here is actual size comparison of:
iPad 7.85 inch mockup with iPhone 4 and standard iPad (http://www.sizeall.com/compare/Apple-iPad-2-Wi-Fi-Apple-iPad-7-85-inch-mockup-Apple-iPhone-4-Ruler-cm-inch/235)
On that link you can move objects, including ruler, around.

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9835/ipadmockupcomparison.jpg

Gutwrench
Jul 24, 2012, 06:17 AM
mini ipad is a better name

Swell. Mini and maxi pads. :mad:

spinoza2
Jul 24, 2012, 06:33 AM
A "7.85 inch" iPad makes absolutely no sense, it's a weird 'tween' size that is too big to put in a pocket but too small to be used comfortably as a 'go-to' tablet. Steve Jobs had it right, this form factor is a dead-end for most users. Samsung is selling their little 5"-7" wablets only because of the kids and gamers who can't afford a real tablet. Samsung is willing to sell anything that will get it more revenue, regardless of quality or functionality.

I hope Apple continues to use Jobs' good sense in making its strategic decisions...

MattInOz
Jul 24, 2012, 06:40 AM
I am sorry but I disagree with you. I think that the iPad should not have a much thinner bezel. This is because the iPad is significantly larger than the iPhone which makes one hand operation impossible. you need to hold it and press your thumbs on the surface of the iPad so that it won't fall. If the bezel of the iPad is thin, it means more accidental, unintended touch on the touch screen, which is a disaster. Therefore, I don't think that Apple will dramatically reduce the width of the bezel of the iPad, even if its technologically possible.

That is not a safe way to hold it as it relies on thumb pressure to keep it from falling. Plus you get a hand cramp soon enough then drop the device.

There seems to me to be many stable more natural ways to hold the device. Not one of them would have you accidentalyl touching of the screen if the bezel was thinner.

nick_elt
Jul 24, 2012, 07:05 AM
A "7.85 inch" iPad makes absolutely no sense, it's a weird 'tween' size that is too big to put in a pocket but too small to be used comfortably as a 'go-to' tablet. Steve Jobs had it right, this form factor is a dead-end for most users. Samsung is selling their little 5"-7" wablets only because of the kids and gamers who can't afford a real tablet. Samsung is willing to sell anything that will get it more revenue, regardless of quality or functionality.

I hope Apple continues to use Jobs' good sense in making its strategic decisions...

who is to say Steve didnt have input in this? Steve said alot of things...

troop231
Jul 24, 2012, 07:27 AM
It would be illogical to launch new devices before Apple's 1st quarter begins, aka the holiday quarter (starts September 30th).

Unless, they know they will sell a boat load of 'New iPhones' in the end of their 4th quarter, and the sales of the new mini iPad will be stronger than that of the phones in the holiday quarter. Meaning that Apple is yet again realigning its product launch timing.

gatortpk
Jul 24, 2012, 07:35 AM
damn just bought my new iPad two weeks ago. should have waited maybe because the charging time and the heat is redic as of right now.

its probably going to be a quiet update, like on the tweaked iPad 2

I've had my iPad since March, and it's really not that bad. If you turn down the brightness just a little, it'll use less than half the 7 Watts for the backlighting and there goes your heat issue. Also, about the charging time, just plug it in at night, its charged before the morning. (I've rarely use the iPad enough that I've needed to charge it mid-day and wait, and when I have used it that much, I left it plugged in with my 10 foot cord.)

The battery life is about 6-8 hours at full brightness and up to 15 hours with a dim screen (looks great in a darker room).

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I am sorry but I disagree with you. I think that the iPad should not have a much thinner bezel. This is because the iPad is significantly larger than the iPhone which makes one hand operation impossible. you need to hold it and press your thumbs on the surface of the iPad so that it won't fall. If the bezel of the iPad is thin, it means more accidental, unintended touch on the touch screen, which is a disaster. Therefore, I don't think that Apple will dramatically reduce the width of the bezel of the iPad, even if its technologically possible.

I agree with the reason for the thick bezel. However, I wouldn't be surprised if software could be written to recognize a thumb on the edge of the display as opposed to an intentional finger tap. That would be the only way to eliminate the bezel. That would be really cool, but the software would have to be perfect, and with everyone having different size hands and ways of holding it, that may be why it hasn't been done. Also, there is an issue of the thumb covering up part of the display, it could get in the way of seeing an important part of the display.

Wolfie Scooter
Jul 24, 2012, 07:39 AM
Whether the iPad mini shows up or not is probably 50/50, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a new iPad (late 2012) model with at least the new dock connector. I don't see Apple selling the iPhone and iPad with different connectors for 6 months. Just my $0.02...

mantan
Jul 24, 2012, 08:38 AM
A "7.85 inch" iPad makes absolutely no sense, it's a weird 'tween' size that is too big to put in a pocket but too small to be used comfortably as a 'go-to' tablet. Steve Jobs had it right, this form factor is a dead-end for most users. Samsung is selling their little 5"-7" wablets only because of the kids and gamers who can't afford a real tablet. Samsung is willing to sell anything that will get it more revenue, regardless of quality or functionality.

I hope Apple continues to use Jobs' good sense in making its strategic decisions...

I have to respectively disagree. I think the size and price will be attractive to a lot of consumers. Unlike the regular iPad, the size is small enough to toss in a purse or read documents with one hand for extended periods of times.

It also has the potential to be priced at a market 'sweet spot.' A lot of people (not just kids and gamers) hestiate to spend $500-$800 on an iPad a second/third tablet for the family/kids or to buy as a gift. I think they will lbe much more willing to pay $299 (the longtime 'sweet spot' in electronics) for an iPad mini.

boronathan
Jul 24, 2012, 08:41 AM
Anyone else thinking cannibalizing? I wonder if the market for a smaller ipad is big enough that they'll get new customers for both types of devices or if they'll just eat their own sales.

mantan
Jul 24, 2012, 09:08 AM
Anyone else thinking cannibalizing? I wonder if the market for a smaller ipad is big enough that they'll get new customers for both types of devices or if they'll just eat their own sales.

I guess it depends on what iPod touch users really value. If it's portability and storage size, the iPod will likely continue to be the best right fit for them.

I see the iPad mini as being more of a (sorry to make Apple purists cringe) a value version of the iPad. For example, my wife has an iPad. I'll use it around the house, but not enough to spend another $700 for my own. But when I travel I really wish I had a bigger screen for books, movies, apps than my iPhone. But at $299, I'd buy an iPad mini in a heartbeat.

wolfpackfan
Jul 24, 2012, 09:13 AM
Why do people keep referring to the 6th iPhone as the iPhone 5?

To annoy you.

likemyorbs
Jul 24, 2012, 09:22 AM
Unusual for the new iPad to be updated so soon. 6 month cycle is really not how apple usually rolls, and this iPad just recently came out in many countries. Idk about that one....

knucklehead
Jul 24, 2012, 09:25 AM
I have to respectively disagree. I think the size and price will be attractive to a lot of consumers. Unlike the regular iPad, the size is small enough to toss in a purse or read documents with one hand for extended periods of times.

It also has the potential to be priced at a market 'sweet spot.' A lot of people (not just kids and gamers) hestiate to spend $500-$800 on an iPad a second/third tablet for the family/kids or to buy as a gift. I think they will lbe much more willing to pay $299 (the longtime 'sweet spot' in electronics) for an iPad mini.

No need to be respectful about it. You're just talking to another dormant account that just came to life delivering a very familiar and worn out rant ....

Navdakilla
Jul 24, 2012, 09:45 AM
Unusual for the new iPad to be updated so soon. 6 month cycle is really not how apple usually rolls, and this iPad just recently came out in many countries. Idk about that one....

I agree, however if it's just little internal fixing, not a big deal if they do that, since it will unnoticable to us. I don't find my new iPad gets hot at all, it does get a little warm but nothing crazy.

Looking forward to the iPad mini, there have been alot of rumors on this lately, I hope they come true.

Steveo13
Jul 24, 2012, 10:23 AM
Apple would not update a product after 6months and after it just released in some countries. The guy in this article said "tweaked" iPad. If anything, they might put the new dock connector on it do that way all their products would then be using the new plug.

Eadfrith
Jul 24, 2012, 12:02 PM
A Tweaked iPad with an IGZO screen and more efficient A5X chip, but with the current battery capacity could be very appealing.

Damitol
Jul 24, 2012, 01:30 PM
The "tweaked" iPad will be a silent upgrade. At some point the "old" new iPads will dry up and the new new ones will replace them, and only thier serial numbers will tell you which one you just bought. Any changes you can actually see will be reserved for next spring.

citizenbfk
Jul 24, 2012, 01:31 PM
I don't follow most rumors but in the market for a new Mac so reading around.
I LIKE the way, in this thread, how this expert had past correct info thus giving him 'credentials' and links were provided for that; for those interested.

I also very much liked the page at: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#iMac
where Facts/Dates/Data was presented on when various Mac product lines have gotten upgraded, the average time between upgrades, etc.

Based on that info I've decided to wait on my purchase till September.

Of course, once you're ready and keen to buy this won't be easy but I'll treat it like overcoming an addiction and go to the Betty Ford clinic is necessary...where I'll just have to content myself with reading rumors.

Alith
Jul 24, 2012, 01:55 PM
Thread ruined. By this guy ^^^^^^^

Oops. I'm sensing this is a common complaint.

gto55
Sep 23, 2012, 10:15 AM
Any news about an upcoming event for the uPad Mini :confused:

sebseb81
Oct 24, 2012, 09:08 AM
Don't know about everyone else, but I definitely think Ming-Chi Kuo deserves major props for pretty much predicting accurately every Apple release from 15-inch rMBP onward this year, and sometimes months in advance.