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GarrettL1979
Jul 24, 2012, 12:34 PM
We currently have a 10+ year old Sony receiver that I'm hoping to replace at some point. Our budget is around $200. We have a 55" LG LCD, Sony blu ray player, ATV 3, and Directv box. Running 5.1. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!



EvilC5
Jul 24, 2012, 01:26 PM
I just bought an onkyo for my basement, I got the tx nr414, amazon has it for 279, its got 5 HDMI in and one HDMI out which was the main reason I got it as my TV only had 4 HDMI inputs and I needed 5.

plus the onkyo can be controlled with an iDevice thru the onkyo app, which sucks, or oRemote which is pretty sweet.

also has pandora and other net radio stations built into it.

carlgo
Jul 24, 2012, 01:30 PM
Look for a model that has at least 3 HDMI port in (ATV, BR, DTV) and 1 out for the TV. This is the modern and best way to set up HT these days.

On screen display is nice.

One with a microphone method for setting up the speakers is a good idea.

Don't sweat over watts or magical sound unless you have a great big and perfect listening room. In the average rather terrible room the speaker set up is most important.

No need for expensive cables, but get flexible ones. Some fancier cables are way too stiff so that they look impressive, but are hard to hook up sometimes.

Really, really consider a universal remote like a Harmony One. Soooooo much better.

My advice is to spend what you have to in order to get these features. You will be living with them for a long time. My set-up is the same as yours and I ended up with a Denon 1612, but undoubtedly there are other models out there now.

Frosties
Jul 24, 2012, 01:39 PM
Pioneer 922 or the older 921 that is on clearance sale should be a good fit. Shop around online for a good price. See example link http://www.walmart.com/ip/Pioneer-VSX-921-K-A-V-Receiver/17655301

donrsd
Jul 24, 2012, 02:04 PM
make sure to get something that decodes DOLBY TRUE HD & DTS MASTER AUDIO.

without those 2 audio codecs, youre not really upgrading from your current 10 year old model.

HERE (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html) is a 5.1 receiver for $179.

for a few more bucks, youll get almost double the power & 7.1 (link above is 5.1 only)
HERE (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR791/DENON-AVR-791-7.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html#!more)

its not that you need 'more power' as youre going to listen to it louder. its that when you turn it up you wont distort @ 50 watts a channel. with the 2nd like, youll be able to get 80-85 watts a channel CLEAN before it distorts.

if it were me, id go a touch over budget and get the better receiver. try to 'future proof' yourself as much as possible.

they have a lot of refurbished receivers there. i can personally vouch for one as a very good friend bought his onkyo rc-180 (basically an onkyo 807 - 20watts per channel) for only $325.
came boxed like new.
hasnt failed him in almost 3 years.



me: i have a pioneer elite sc 27 in the living room.
thats my baby. i HAD an onkyo 807 and upgraded to the sc-27. the difference in the seperation/spacing from each of my klipsch rf series speakers was night and day.

for my bedroom i have an older onkyo 605. the wife likes it. only 2 hdmi inputs.
i only hook up the bluray to the 605. the directv goes directly into the tv as the directv doesnt do lossless audio.
then i run an coaxial cable from the directv to the 605

when i want to watch tv the radio doesnt have to always be on :)

im a pro at this stuff.
look me up
blu-ray.com
go to forums
DonRSD = my username.
just put me down as a referral.
there is loads of information there. pm me if you have any questions or concerns :)

mic j
Jul 24, 2012, 02:16 PM
I just bought an onkyo for my basement, I got the tx nr414, amazon has it for 279, its got 5 HDMI in and one HDMI out which was the main reason I got it as my TV only had 4 HDMI inputs and I needed 5.

plus the onkyo can be controlled with an iDevice thru the onkyo app, which sucks, or oRemote which is pretty sweet.

also has pandora and other net radio stations built into it.

Checked out the Onkyo. This series seems to be having an HDMI out issue and Onkyo has been slow to fix it (still not fixed as far as I could find info).

jmcgeejr
Jul 24, 2012, 02:24 PM
Checked out the Onkyo. This series seems to be having an HDMI out issue and Onkyo has been slow to fix it (still not fixed as far as I could find info).

Most hdmi issues only apply to plasmas, such as my kuro.

mic j
Jul 24, 2012, 02:46 PM
Most hdmi issues only apply to plasmas, such as my kuro.

It has a problem that when the receiver goes into standby for a length of time, then wakes up, only audio is sent out. No video. Turning the power on/off seems to temporarily fix the problem. They have issued a couple of fw releases to fix the problem but they do not seem to fix the problem. Many owners are impatient, threatening a return, many others have already returned it.

I did not see any reference to the issue only being plasma tv related, but if you have additional info on that, I would be interested to hear it because I would be interested in getting it to replace my Sony AVR

Edit: Here is a link to the Onkyo website forum discussing the issue: http://onkyoproductsupport.forumotion.com/t750p30-tx-nr515-monitor-out-issues-no-picture

Not trying to trash a whole maker of good AVR's (I have always though that I would get an Onkyo as my next AVR due to them being a good value) but I would hesitate buying this model line (not necessarily all Onykos) until I see the issue address. Or unless you purchase from someone with a good return policy.

gpiney
Jul 24, 2012, 02:46 PM
I've always been a fan of Yamaha products. They have a new receiver that fits your bill for a few bucks more RX-V373. HDMI 4in-1out, Front usb for iPhone/iPad hookup, 5.1 Dolby TrueHD. $249 from Amazon.

Here is a link to the Yamaha site:

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v373_black_u/

EvilC5
Jul 24, 2012, 02:53 PM
Never had issues with either of my onkyo's. I have the tx nr709 as well as the 414.

sakau2007
Jul 24, 2012, 02:54 PM
Onkyo and Denon are widely considered the mid-price leaders.

At $200 and under, it's a little murkier. I'd take a look at the entry level Onkyo and Denon and also the entry level Yamaha. Go with the one that has the most extras built in that you would use (Pandora, satellite radio, rhapsody, good DLNA support, whatever...)

Truthfully, at $200, you aren't likely going to be powering multi-thousand dollar speakers at earsplitting volumes, so they should all be about equal on powering your audio channels.

Oh, and you can ignore the power ratings the manufacturers list. The measurements are not uniformly done... not to mention that even if they were, twice the power only gets you an extra 3 dB of volume. And to be honest, most listeners probably don't even go over 1 watt/channel except when they turn their system up quite loud and/or are listening to an action movie and something like an airplane landing or explosion is happening.

JAT
Jul 24, 2012, 02:59 PM
make sure to get something that decodes DOLBY TRUE HD & DTS MASTER AUDIO.

without those 2 audio codecs, youre not really upgrading from your current 10 year old model.
Without new speakers for thousands of bucks, you're not really upgrading from your current 10 year old model. Even with HD decoding. I wouldn't worry about that as a priority.

donrsd
Jul 24, 2012, 03:02 PM
Most hdmi issues only apply to plasmas, such as my kuro.

i have 3 panasonic plasmas in my house and have NEVER had an issue with hdmi link.
its the KURO LINK on your model.
beautiful picture, but take that KURO LINK OFF.
my pioneer elite sc 27 receiver has the same issue. the KURO LINK only works when connected to certain other pioneer elite devices.
sc 27 = KURO LINK OFF.
that was one of the 1st things i did when i bought the receiver.

hope this helps

Without new speakers for thousands of bucks, you're not really upgrading from your current 10 year old model. Even with HD decoding. I wouldn't worry about that as a priority.

what the heck are you talking about!!??

it makes a difference for any speaker.
youre going from compressed audio (dts & dolby digital) to uncompressed audio (dts hd & dolby true hd)

even when i got my 1st hd receiver, i still had HTiB speakers. what a world of difference.
i since went to a set of polks and now klipsch.
ive also upgraded my receivers, as mentioned earlier, from an onkyo 806 to a pioneer elite sc 27.

OP - the new receiver with the lossless codecs will make a difference right out of the box.

GarrettL1979
Jul 24, 2012, 03:44 PM
Thanks for all of the suggestions! I might go with one of the Denons you posted links to, Don. Any thoughts on Sony's receivers? Like this one for example:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH520-Channel-Receiver-Black/dp/B004NHCGJO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1343162097&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+receiver

Also, we mostly use our ATV3, which I know only supports DD. Will I notice any difference using a newer receiver? Our sony speakers are by no means high end.

The old receiver we have does not have HDMI inputs, so I have the TV's optical audio out connected to it instead. Sometimes the audio is out of sync with the video when running surround (via ATV), and I was curious if this was due to the fact the the ATV is connected by HDMI to the TV which then sends audio to the receiver through a digital optical cable. Could this be causing problems?

Lastly, for whatever reason, our receiver will only output Pro Logic from our Directv box and blu ray player. Both should be DD or DTS, right?

All of these issues make me think it's time to upgrade receivers.

JAT
Jul 24, 2012, 04:04 PM
what the heck are you talking about!!??

it makes a difference for any speaker.
youre going from compressed audio (dts & dolby digital) to uncompressed audio (dts hd & dolby true hd)

even when i got my 1st hd receiver, i still had HTiB speakers. what a world of difference.
i since went to a set of polks and now klipsch.
ive also upgraded my receivers, as mentioned earlier, from an onkyo 806 to a pioneer elite sc 27.

OP - the new receiver with the lossless codecs will make a difference right out of the box.
You just rattled off far more dollars than the OP is willing to spend. Which is all I said. If you can hear a difference between DD and DD-TrueHD from the same bluray, of a movie, on a $300 receiver/speaker system, volume-matched, I'll eat my $1500 receiver. With a spoon! (I'll bet I could sneak DPL into the test and you wouldn't catch it on such a system)

Garrett,
I'm not a fan of Sony receivers. I classify them as "junk". That may be a bit more than some like to hear, but all the discussion of Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo is on the mark. They make superior products, even at the lower price ranges.

Sorry, ignored your questions.
Are the DTV and bluray using digital audio? There may be settings in both those boxes to turn on DD/DTS, and yes, it should be able to handle that. Sync is a big issue with all the heavy processing that goes on with HDTV. Much of it will be from the source itself, whether Apple or DirecTV. Some receivers will have adjustments to re-sync audio and video, but I don't know if they do in the price range you are discussing.

GarrettL1979
Jul 24, 2012, 04:29 PM
Garrett,
I'm not a fan of Sony receivers. I classify them as "junk". That may be a bit more than some like to hear, but all the discussion of Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo is on the mark. They make superior products, even at the lower price ranges.


Thanks! Good to know.


Sorry, ignored your questions.
Are the DTV and bluray using digital audio? There may be settings in both those boxes to turn on DD/DTS, and yes, it should be able to handle that. Sync is a big issue with all the heavy processing that goes on with HDTV. Much of it will be from the source itself, whether Apple or DirecTV. Some receivers will have adjustments to re-sync audio and video, but I don't know if they do in the price range you are discussing.

So do you think the combination of HDMI and optical cable could be causing problems? I have DD turned on for both, but they both only output Pro Logic. I can't figure it out!

JAT
Jul 24, 2012, 04:50 PM
Thanks! Good to know.



So do you think the combination of HDMI and optical cable could be causing problems? I have DD turned on for both, but they both only output Pro Logic. I can't figure it out!

That should work. I would think if the HDMI cancelled out the optical you would get nothing at all. What about in the receiver? All these Dolby/DTS codecs have automatic downmixing, so you need both sides to agree. Or it could be a downmix setting to stereo in the BDp, which your receiver would read or convert to ProLogic.

Oh, and DirecTV...well, are you really sure the source is DD? HD television shows should be, but movies were hit and miss as I recall. Afraid I dropped them almost 2 years ago, though.

Weaselboy
Jul 24, 2012, 05:23 PM
OP> You might check this site (http://www.hometheater.com/av-receiver-top-picks) for some recommendations. He has pretty thorough reviews and seems knowledgeable.

GarrettL1979
Jul 25, 2012, 08:17 AM
Thanks for all of the suggestions. Much appreciated!

ericrwalker
Jul 25, 2012, 08:23 AM
I think Onkyo, Denon, and Pioneer are all good. If you go with the pioneers don't buy a low end model. Get a mid to high end of their normal models or any of their elite models.

Make sure you have enough HDMI ports and that they carry audio as well.

The DRis
Jul 25, 2012, 11:49 AM
make sure to get something that decodes DOLBY TRUE HD & DTS MASTER AUDIO.

without those 2 audio codecs, youre not really upgrading from your current 10 year old model.

HERE (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html) is a 5.1 receiver for $179.

for a few more bucks, youll get almost double the power & 7.1 (link above is 5.1 only)
HERE (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR791/DENON-AVR-791-7.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html#!more)

its not that you need 'more power' as youre going to listen to it louder. its that when you turn it up you wont distort @ 50 watts a channel. with the 2nd like, youll be able to get 80-85 watts a channel CLEAN before it distorts.

if it were me, id go a touch over budget and get the better receiver. try to 'future proof' yourself as much as possible.

they have a lot of refurbished receivers there. i can personally vouch for one as a very good friend bought his onkyo rc-180 (basically an onkyo 807 - 20watts per channel) for only $325.
came boxed like new.
hasnt failed him in almost 3 years.



me: i have a pioneer elite sc 27 in the living room.
thats my baby. i HAD an onkyo 807 and upgraded to the sc-27. the difference in the seperation/spacing from each of my klipsch rf series speakers was night and day.

for my bedroom i have an older onkyo 605. the wife likes it. only 2 hdmi inputs.
i only hook up the bluray to the 605. the directv goes directly into the tv as the directv doesnt do lossless audio.
then i run an coaxial cable from the directv to the 605

when i want to watch tv the radio doesnt have to always be on :)

im a pro at this stuff.
look me up
blu-ray.com
go to forums
DonRSD = my username.
just put me down as a referral.
there is loads of information there. pm me if you have any questions or concerns :)

In another thread you mentioned that receiver does some type of volume level limiting? So the whispers are as loud as the explosions and the explosions are as quiet as the whispers?

What is that called?

I'm seriously considering the Pioneer VSS-1022-K. Is that a good receiver?

bad03xtreme
Jul 25, 2012, 01:41 PM
Go with a Harman Kardon AVR 1650, I have one hooked up to my Infinity Kappa series setup and love it.

donrsd
Jul 25, 2012, 01:49 PM
Thanks for all of the suggestions! I might go with one of the Denons you posted links to, Don. Any thoughts on Sony's receivers? Like this one for example:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH520-Channel-Receiver-Black/dp/B004NHCGJO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1343162097&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+receiver

Also, we mostly use our ATV3, which I know only supports DD. Will I notice any difference using a newer receiver? Our sony speakers are by no means high end.

The old receiver we have does not have HDMI inputs, so I have the TV's optical audio out connected to it instead. Sometimes the audio is out of sync with the video when running surround (via ATV), and I was curious if this was due to the fact the the ATV is connected by HDMI to the TV which then sends audio to the receiver through a digital optical cable. Could this be causing problems?

Lastly, for whatever reason, our receiver will only output Pro Logic from our Directv box and blu ray player. Both should be DD or DTS, right?

All of these issues make me think it's time to upgrade receivers.

im NOT a fan of anything sony at all.
for what you get in a sony (youre only paying for brand recgionition), you could get a higher end denon, pioneer elite etc for comparable price.

how many optical cable inputs do you have & why connect from the tv to the receiver?
you should connect the optical cables from the source (apple tv, directv, etc.) to the receiver.
MOST tv's d NOT pass dolby digital/dts from the tv to the receiver.
you have to connect from the source to the receiver.
setting the apple tv or directv to dolby digital wont make a difference if the tv wont pass the dilby digital/dts signal to the receiver.
even the best receiver on the market wont fix this issue.

here is how yours should look
apple tv hdmi out to tv hdmi in
apple tv optical cable out to receiver hdmi in

going even farther to the directv
directv hdmi out to tv hdmi in
directv optical OR coaxial cable out to receiver optical OR coaxial in.

you wont need the hdmi to go from the apple tv or directv directly to the receiver because none of the sources (apple tv or directv) do lossless audio (dts hd or dolby true hd).....so you wont lose anything as far as sound quality.
only benefit of doing it this way is you WONT have to have the receiver on whenever you have the directv or apple tv on. the hdmi is going directly to the tv with a 'secondary connection' going to the receiver :)

You just rattled off far more dollars than the OP is willing to spend. Which is all I said. If you can hear a difference between DD and DD-TrueHD from the same bluray, of a movie, on a $300 receiver/speaker system, volume-matched, I'll eat my $1500 receiver. With a spoon! (I'll bet I could sneak DPL into the test and you wouldn't catch it on such a system)


screw your $1500 receiver, mine was $2200 :)
YES you can hear a difference.
uncompressed > compressed.
can a cheap pair of iphone ear buds tell the difference from a compressed 192kb mp3 to an SACD uncompressed rip?......the answer is yes.

In another thread you mentioned that receiver does some type of volume level limiting? So the whispers are as loud as the explosions and the explosions are as quiet as the whispers?
What is that called?
I'm seriously considering the Pioneer VSS-1022-K. Is that a good receiver?

on the pioneer's it is called ALC. Automatic Volume Control.
pioneers also have a 'midnight listening' listening mode (does the same thing), except the midnight listening is aplied thru the menu, thus it will affect every listebning move.
the ALC feature only works when you cycle thru the listening modes (auto surround, optimal surround, stereo) and then come upon ALC. it still plays lossless audio or stereo......yet it takes the dynamic range (loud = big KABOOM to a low end whisper) and makes them all the same volume.

on an onkyo its called a 'dymanic equalizer'.
i dont know what a yamaha or denon call it.
make sure to look at the features and check it out.

on an older onkyo 605 i have upstairs has a 'late night' feature.
it works, but only for DOLBY sources. meaning that anything thats DTS (a lot of blurays are) it wont fix the volumes. thats not good when the kids are sleeping.
my old onkyo 806 had the late night too, but no 'dynamic equalizer'
in essence the late night & dynamic equalizer do the same thing, just a matter of what codecs they do it for.

pioneer look for ALC
onkyo look for dymanic equalizer

hope this helps

Go with a Harman Kardon AVR 1650, I have one hooked up to my Infinity Kappa series setup and love it.

not to be a prick, but did you read his price range or you just want to try to 'show off' the midrange receiver you have?
CMON MAN

GarrettL1979
Jul 25, 2012, 02:08 PM
how many optical cable inputs do you have & why connect from the tv to the receiver?
you should connect the optical cables from the source (apple tv, directv, etc.) to the receiver.
MOST tv's d NOT pass dolby digital/dts from the tv to the receiver.
you have to connect from the source to the receiver.
setting the apple tv or directv to dolby digital wont make a difference if the tv wont pass the dilby digital/dts signal to the receiver.
even the best receiver on the market wont fix this issue.

here is how yours should look
apple tv hdmi out to tv hdmi in
apple tv optical cable out to receiver hdmi in

going even farther to the directv
directv hdmi out to tv hdmi in
directv optical OR coaxial cable out to receiver optical OR coaxial in.

you wont need the hdmi to go from the apple tv or directv directly to the receiver because none of the sources (apple tv or directv) do lossless audio (dts hd or dolby true hd).....so you wont lose anything as far as sound quality.
only benefit of doing it this way is you WONT have to have the receiver on whenever you have the directv or apple tv on. the hdmi is going directly to the tv with a 'secondary connection' going to the receiver :)


Our receiver only has one optical in. The rest are just stereo inputs. That's why I thought running all of our players (blu ray, ATV, directv) to the TV through HDMI and letting it output the audio through optical would be the way to go. Strangely enough, the ATV3 outputs Dolby Digital just fine (when set to on, not auto). Nothing else works though-- just get stereo sound from our blu ray player and directv box.

The DRis
Jul 25, 2012, 02:18 PM
im NOT a fan of anything sony at all.
for what you get in a sony (youre only paying for brand recgionition), you could get a higher end denon, pioneer elite etc for comparable price.

how many optical cable inputs do you have & why connect from the tv to the receiver?
you should connect the optical cables from the source (apple tv, directv, etc.) to the receiver.
MOST tv's d NOT pass dolby digital/dts from the tv to the receiver.
you have to connect from the source to the receiver.
setting the apple tv or directv to dolby digital wont make a difference if the tv wont pass the dilby digital/dts signal to the receiver.
even the best receiver on the market wont fix this issue.

here is how yours should look
apple tv hdmi out to tv hdmi in
apple tv optical cable out to receiver hdmi in

going even farther to the directv
directv hdmi out to tv hdmi in
directv optical OR coaxial cable out to receiver optical OR coaxial in.

you wont need the hdmi to go from the apple tv or directv directly to the receiver because none of the sources (apple tv or directv) do lossless audio (dts hd or dolby true hd).....so you wont lose anything as far as sound quality.
only benefit of doing it this way is you WONT have to have the receiver on whenever you have the directv or apple tv on. the hdmi is going directly to the tv with a 'secondary connection' going to the receiver :)



on the pioneer's it is called ALC. Automatic Volume Control.
pioneers also have a 'midnight listening' listening mode (does the same thing), except the midnight listening is aplied thru the menu, thus it will affect every listebning move.
the ALC feature only works when you cycle thru the listening modes (auto surround, optimal surround, stereo) and then come upon ALC. it still plays lossless audio or stereo......yet it takes the dynamic range (loud = big KABOOM to a low end whisper) and makes them all the same volume.

on an onkyo its called a 'dymanic equalizer'.
i dont know what a yamaha or denon call it.
make sure to look at the features and check it out.

on an older onkyo 605 i have upstairs has a 'late night' feature.
it works, but only for DOLBY sources. meaning that anything thats DTS (a lot of blurays are) it wont fix the volumes. thats not good when the kids are sleeping.
my old onkyo 806 had the late night too, but no 'dynamic equalizer'
in essence the late night & dynamic equalizer do the same thing, just a matter of what codecs they do it for.

pioneer look for ALC
onkyo look for dymanic equalizer

hope this helps


Awesome, thanks for the information.
Do you have an opinion on the VSX-1022-K?

Why do you need the optical audio as well as the HDMI to go to the receiver? Doesn't the HDMI transmit the audio as well?

donrsd
Jul 25, 2012, 02:34 PM
Our receiver only has one optical in. The rest are just stereo inputs. That's why I thought running all of our players (blu ray, ATV, directv) to the TV through HDMI and letting it output the audio through optical would be the way to go. Strangely enough, the ATV3 outputs Dolby Digital just fine (when set to on, not auto). Nothing else works though-- just get stereo sound from our blu ray player and directv box.

not having that bluray hooked up via hdmi to the receiver is a crime :mad:
your receiver doesnt have the inputs you require, but im sure you know this :D

try setting the bluray player (while its hooked up to the tv) to output its sound via LPCM, not bitstream.
also go into directv settings and find audio, then dolby digital. turn it ON.

when you get your new receiver, youll FINALLY get to hear everything in all its glory how its meant to be heard.
what your doing now is making due for a lack of a current receiver.
$$$ may be tight or whatever, but the time has come to get a shiny new receiver :cool:

PLEASE let me/us know what you get.
any help you need, just PM me or quote one of my posts so i see the notification.

Awesome, thanks for the information.
Do you have an opinion on the VSX-1022-K?

Why do you need the optical audio as well as the HDMI to go to the receiver? Doesn't the HDMI transmit the audio as well?

thats not a bad receiver. whats your budget and what feautres are you looking for.

that pioneer is going to do what most 'current receivers' do. hd codecs, ipod, pandora, stream stuff via ethernet, 3d, multiple hdmi inputs etc.
the power on that one is 80 watts per channel. remember 80wpc is measured with one or only 2 speakers running.
when you start running 5 or 7 speakers PLUS a subwoofer, that 80wpc is coming down to maybe 60-65 wpc.
id look for something more powerful IF this receiver is going into a living room.
you dont have to break the bank.
whats your budget?

-----
the hdmi DOES transmit audio & video.
the reason i connect my apple tv & directv to the tv with an hdmi and not the receiver is simple, but 2 fold.

directv & apple tv do NOT use lossless codecs. im not losing any sound by not using the hdmi directly to the receiver. which brings me to point 2
since im not losing any sound quality (no hd codecs) i can use only my tv & apple tv / directv to listen to the tv. late at night, with kids sleeping, i dont want the radio blaring just to watch sportscenter. if i need 5.1 surround sound i use an optical cable from apple tv & coaxial cable from directv, turn down my tv volume to 0 and then fire up the receiver. BAM dolby digitaal (dd & dts for apple tv) on my directv.


for my ps3 i hook up my hdmi directly to my receiver as i want that beautiful lossless audio from the blurays.
the optival/coaxial cables cant handle the lossless audio and dumbs them down to dolby digital / dts.
for my seperate bluray player i just hook up hdmi directly to the tv. the seperate bluray player is so that the kids can watch their movies withOUT the receiver being on (nor the ps3). they dont need surround to watch nemo or toy story lol
plus the seperate bluray player comes in handy, AGAIN, for late night when the kids are sleeping & me and the wife want to watch a bluray.
i dumb the seperate bluray player audio settings to downmix pcm, and my downmix setting is STEREO......thus all of the whispers & loud BOOMS are all almost the same volume thru the tv speakers.
my tv doesnt have this option, so i use the source (bluray player) to set the feature up and send the tv the proper audio.

The DRis
Jul 25, 2012, 03:55 PM
not having that bluray hooked up via hdmi to the receiver is a crime :mad:
your receiver doesnt have the inputs you require, but im sure you know this :D

try setting the bluray player (while its hooked up to the tv) to output its sound via LPCM, not bitstream.
also go into directv settings and find audio, then dolby digital. turn it ON.

when you get your new receiver, youll FINALLY get to hear everything in all its glory how its meant to be heard.
what your doing now is making due for a lack of a current receiver.
$$$ may be tight or whatever, but the time has come to get a shiny new receiver :cool:

PLEASE let me/us know what you get.
any help you need, just PM me or quote one of my posts so i see the notification.



thats not a bad receiver. whats your budget and what feautres are you looking for.

that pioneer is going to do what most 'current receivers' do. hd codecs, ipod, pandora, stream stuff via ethernet, 3d, multiple hdmi inputs etc.
the power on that one is 80 watts per channel. remember 80wpc is measured with one or only 2 speakers running.
when you start running 5 or 7 speakers PLUS a subwoofer, that 80wpc is coming down to maybe 60-65 wpc.
id look for something more powerful IF this receiver is going into a living room.
you dont have to break the bank.
whats your budget?

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the hdmi DOES transmit audio & video.
the reason i connect my apple tv & directv to the tv with an hdmi and not the receiver is simple, but 2 fold.

directv & apple tv do NOT use lossless codecs. im not losing any sound by not using the hdmi directly to the receiver. which brings me to point 2
since im not losing any sound quality (no hd codecs) i can use only my tv & apple tv / directv to listen to the tv. late at night, with kids sleeping, i dont want the radio blaring just to watch sportscenter. if i need 5.1 surround sound i use an optical cable from apple tv & coaxial cable from directv, turn down my tv volume to 0 and then fire up the receiver. BAM dolby digitaal (dd & dts for apple tv) on my directv.


for my ps3 i hook up my hdmi directly to my receiver as i want that beautiful lossless audio from the blurays.
the optival/coaxial cables cant handle the lossless audio and dumbs them down to dolby digital / dts.
for my seperate bluray player i just hook up hdmi directly to the tv. the seperate bluray player is so that the kids can watch their movies withOUT the receiver being on (nor the ps3). they dont need surround to watch nemo or toy story lol
plus the seperate bluray player comes in handy, AGAIN, for late night when the kids are sleeping & me and the wife want to watch a bluray.
i dumb the seperate bluray player audio settings to downmix pcm, and my downmix setting is STEREO......thus all of the whispers & loud BOOMS are all almost the same volume thru the tv speakers.
my tv doesnt have this option, so i use the source (bluray player) to set the feature up and send the tv the proper audio.

Got it, somehow I misread and thought you were sending both the HDMI and Optical through the receiver, but you aren't, HDMI goes to TV. Got it. My only issue with that is having to change inputs on both the receiver and tv when changing devices. I like the idea of changing just the reciever, especially if I route the cable through the wall.

For the budget, I'm not 100% sure. I would rather "buy once, cry once" than buy cheap and regret it. When the 1022's first came out I thought they were priced around $800, I see I can get them for as cheap as $350 now. So lets set the budget at $500-600 with a high of $750 if the receiver is just such a better receiver with killer features.

Also do any of these receivers also serve as an amp? Like if I were to buy a record player and run it to the receiver.

ETA: So when the 1022 says "2 Channel ALC" that only works for stereo?

carlgo
Jul 25, 2012, 05:35 PM
I was the third responder to your question and will add some to that. First, I would research Onkyo's reliability record. I was one of the many who had the HDMI part fail and Onkyo's response to this was not exactly terrific, as others have mentioned. There should have been a recall. Lots of units in the landfill right now.

The Denon is just fine, as are other brands. I stay away from stuff made in China as much as I can.

As for the future-proof remarks, it would be understood that you would want a modern design and posters here are right in advising you to get devices with those specs. Likely 80% of owners have no clue what these acronyms are or how to access them...

I think it is a good time to buy, even to spend more than you want, because it doesn't appear that modern, even more entry level receivers are going to be obsoleted right away.

donrsd
Jul 26, 2012, 11:47 AM
Got it, somehow I misread and thought you were sending both the HDMI and Optical through the receiver, but you aren't, HDMI goes to TV. Got it. My only issue with that is having to change inputs on both the receiver and tv when changing devices. I like the idea of changing just the reciever, especially if I route the cable through the wall.

For the budget, I'm not 100% sure. I would rather "buy once, cry once" than buy cheap and regret it. When the 1022's first came out I thought they were priced around $800, I see I can get them for as cheap as $350 now. So lets set the budget at $500-600 with a high of $750 if the receiver is just such a better receiver with killer features.

Also do any of these receivers also serve as an amp? Like if I were to buy a record player and run it to the receiver.

ETA: So when the 1022 says "2 Channel ALC" that only works for stereo?

damn, i had an entire book on here written and my power cut off :mad:

2 channel alc = ONLY stereo, no 5.1
step up a few models to get that feature.
the vsx 1122 HERE (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1122-K) offers ALC for all listening modes :)
you could get better for a few more bucks, but i was just giving you an example.

and YES - if you bought a record player, dual casette deck, another videogame system (n64, dreamcast, nes etc) you just hook it up to the receiver (or tv if you choose) via standard composite cables. red/white (yellow for video) and it will pass the picture to the tv AND play the audio (record player/casette)
the receiver is the 'brain' of your entire home theater

As for the future-proof remarks, it would be understood that you would want a modern design and posters here are right in advising you to get devices with those specs. Likely 80% of owners have no clue what these acronyms are or how to access them...

I think it is a good time to buy, even to spend more than you want, because it doesn't appear that modern, even more entry level receivers are going to be obsoleted right away.

im with you 100%.
bite the bullet now and save the money over the course of the next 507 years.
if you go cheap now, youll be spending more on a new receiver in 2-3 years.

The DRis
Jul 26, 2012, 01:12 PM
damn, i had an entire book on here written and my power cut off :mad:

2 channel alc = ONLY stereo, no 5.1
step up a few models to get that feature.
the vsx 1122 HERE (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1122-K) offers ALC for all listening modes :)
you could get better for a few more bucks, but i was just giving you an example.

and YES - if you bought a record player, dual casette deck, another videogame system (n64, dreamcast, nes etc) you just hook it up to the receiver (or tv if you choose) via standard composite cables. red/white (yellow for video) and it will pass the picture to the tv AND play the audio (record player/casette)
the receiver is the 'brain' of your entire home theater


Yeah, I started comparing more of the models yesterday now that I knew to look for the ALC.

"For a few bucks more" what do you recommend? The 1122 is definitely in range.

donrsd
Jul 26, 2012, 02:34 PM
Yeah, I started comparing more of the models yesterday now that I knew to look for the ALC.

"For a few bucks more" what do you recommend? The 1122 is definitely in range.

ill have to look around.
me, personally, ive always been a fan of the SC series.
i know the SC 05, 07, 25, 27, 35 & 37 use the ICE AMPS (which i love)
the newer sc 50 & 60 series use a newer technology. i havent heard them yet, so i cant compare.

ask around in different forums.
i told you about going to bluray.com
if you want a pioneer elite, pose the question of which pioneer elite, what features you want and a price.

i would offer MORE HELP, but i havent really researched many receivers besides the sc models and some newer onkyos......but im not too fond of the onkyos compared to the elite's

JAT
Jul 26, 2012, 04:43 PM
can a cheap pair of iphone ear buds tell the difference from a compressed 192kb mp3 to an SACD uncompressed rip?......the answer is yes.
All right, I'll stop arguing. But, how on earth would you know that? It would require putting those white things in your ears. *shudder*

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Yeah, I started comparing more of the models yesterday now that I knew to look for the ALC.

"For a few bucks more" what do you recommend? The 1122 is definitely in range.

What's a "few bucks more"? Onkyo's 818 is below $900 on the street. It's a ridiculous value, I'm actually looking at it instead of their preamp that's over $2000. Has close to the same DAC as the preamp, a high-end dual processor video setup, decent amp, and (arguably) the best room setup on the market right now, Audyssey XT32.

The street prices really hit these receivers sometimes. They have had some issues with midrange models just below this one, though. Those would probably be a wait-and-see at this point. Maybe firmware upgrades would fix them in a couple months.

ant69
Jul 27, 2012, 01:26 AM
I've always been a fan of Yamaha products. They have a new receiver that fits your bill for a few bucks more RX-V373. HDMI 4in-1out, Front usb for iPhone/iPad hookup, 5.1 Dolby TrueHD. $249 from Amazon.

Here is a link to the Yamaha site:

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v373_black_u/

I love my RX-V473 for all of the above reasons plus airplay from my iPhone/iPad.

Ant

Macman45
Jul 27, 2012, 01:37 AM
I've had my Onkyo setup for a couple of weeks now. It's excellent, great sound and superb picture quality. Handles 3D well too, one caveat though. If you buy the unit with speakers, the sub-woofer isn't really up to the job, and I replaced mine with a much more powerful Sony that I had in my bedroom.

On the whole though, great value for money, all my devices including the ATV plug into it and work well.

donrsd
Jul 27, 2012, 09:53 AM
I've had my Onkyo setup for a couple of weeks now. It's excellent, great sound and superb picture quality. Handles 3D well too, one caveat though. If you buy the unit with speakers, the sub-woofer isn't really up to the job, and I replaced mine with a much more powerful Sony that I had in my bedroom.

On the whole though, great value for money, all my devices including the ATV plug into it and work well.

EBAY
Acoustic Audio HD xx
xx = 8, 10, 12 or 15 inch woofer.
you can bid on them or offer a price.
i got a black 15" woofer for $90 brand new.
1000 watts / 500 rms. i dont even touch that much.

multiple people got the HD12 for under $100 all day.

best value subwoofer youll find.
destroys any crummy polk sony, infinity subwoofer.

again, there is a post on bluray.com forums under SPEAKERS.
just look for the subwoofer category

donrsd
Jul 31, 2012, 11:40 AM
$199

Denon AVR-1612 receiver at Crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AV1612/Denon-AVR-1612.html) with promo code 3A172

GarrettL1979
Jul 31, 2012, 12:20 PM
Any recommendations on universal remotes? I'm thinking about getting a Harmony 650. Harmony One would be nice, but that's 3X the price ($150 vs. $50)

MBPnoob
Jul 31, 2012, 01:51 PM
Any recommendations on universal remotes? I'm thinking about getting a Harmony 650. Harmony One would be nice, but that's 3X the price ($150 vs. $50)

If I might make a suggestion... keep an eye on refurbs from Logitech. I got my Harmony 900 refurb from Logitech for $150. It's worth it.

GarrettL1979
Jul 31, 2012, 03:04 PM
If I might make a suggestion... keep an eye on refurbs from Logitech. I got my Harmony 900 refurb from Logitech for $150. It's worth it.

Thanks!

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p.s. I ended up going with the Yamaha RX-v373. Really happy with it so far!

donrsd
Aug 1, 2012, 01:45 PM
Any recommendations on universal remotes? I'm thinking about getting a Harmony 650. Harmony One would be nice, but that's 3X the price ($150 vs. $50)

i believe Sears has the harmony ONE for $110.

or

the 650 for $30 HERE (http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/77580/tigerdirect.com-logitech-harmony-650-5device-universal-remote-control-open-box-rb915000114)

GarrettL1979
Aug 1, 2012, 03:46 PM
the 650 for $30 HERE (http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/77580/tigerdirect.com-logitech-harmony-650-5device-universal-remote-control-open-box-rb915000114)

Unfortunately, store only :(

98EXL
Aug 1, 2012, 06:04 PM
setting the bluray player (while its hooked up to the tv) to output its sound via LPCM, not bitstream.
also go into directv settings and find audio, then dolby digital. turn it ON.

when you get your new receiver, youll FINALLY get to hear everything in all its glory how its meant to be

when you get a new AVR that can decode uncompressed audio, don't forget to change your sources back to bitstream. Chances are a mid range AVR will run circles around your sources decoding audio.

Audio is one of those areas that is easy to not set things up correctly of you don't know what you're doing or you don't read. If you choose the Denon route [I love my AVR-3311ci is the living room, except its only a 7.1 :( ] read Batpig's Denon to English site. http://batpigworld.com/

avaloncourt
Aug 1, 2012, 07:12 PM
Look for a model that has at least 3 HDMI port in (ATV, BR, DTV) and 1 out for the TV. This is the modern and best way to set up HT these days.

On screen display is nice.

One with a microphone method for setting up the speakers is a good idea.

Don't sweat over watts or magical sound unless you have a great big and perfect listening room. In the average rather terrible room the speaker set up is most important.

No need for expensive cables, but get flexible ones. Some fancier cables are way too stiff so that they look impressive, but are hard to hook up sometimes.

Really, really consider a universal remote like a Harmony One. Soooooo much better.

My advice is to spend what you have to in order to get these features. You will be living with them for a long time. My set-up is the same as yours and I ended up with a Denon 1612, but undoubtedly there are other models out there now.

This is excellent advice. Right on the mark. I went for HDMI 4 in and 1 out to have a little breathing room. When you're shopping, I'd recommend that you choose something that has assignable HDMI inputs. That way you aren't tied to a particular input. You can change their purpose as needed. Mine has 1 dedicated to BR and three assignable to anything. It does indeed come in handy when you need to get creative. I currently have a fairly high end Pioneer and have had three Pioneer's that worked their way up the ladder to where I am now.

I fully agree on the Harmony One. You simply can't buy a better universal for the money. It's an amazing device.

GarrettL1979
Aug 1, 2012, 08:09 PM
I fully agree on the Harmony One. You simply can't buy a better universal for the money. It's an amazing device.

unfortunately, I can't really afford that one, and even if I could, I'd be worried about its durability. I have a 2 year old who likes to pretend everything is a robot, and I'm pretty sure the harmony one would be no exception.

So now I'm debating harmony 650 vs. urc R50. At first I was planning on going with the harmony, but there are quite a few bad reviews out there which are making me hesitant.

dade247
Aug 1, 2012, 08:12 PM
I've always been a fan of Yamaha products. They have a new receiver that fits your bill for a few bucks more RX-V373. HDMI 4in-1out, Front usb for iPhone/iPad hookup, 5.1 Dolby TrueHD. $249 from Amazon.

Here is a link to the Yamaha site:

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v373_black_u/

I just bought this receiver and I love it so far. I have two Polk audio 60s right now and a psw10 and cs1 on the way to complete the front!

I got it for 200 bucks at best buy ( sale)

GarrettL1979
Aug 1, 2012, 08:48 PM
I just bought this receiver and I love it so far. I have two Polk audio 60s right now and a psw10 and cs1 on the way to complete the front!

I got it for 200 bucks at best buy ( sale)

I just did the same!

Jefferyd32
Aug 1, 2012, 09:33 PM
Thanks for all of the suggestions! I might go with one of the Denons you posted links to, Don. Any thoughts on Sony's receivers?

I would stay away from Sony. I had Sony receivers for years, and then had to replace one last year. The sound was just horrible. Returned the Sony for a Denon 1612, and the difference was night and day. Love the Denon. Great sound and great price.

Weaselboy
Aug 2, 2012, 07:34 AM
unfortunately, I can't really afford that one, and even if I could, I'd be worried about its durability. I have a 2 year old who likes to pretend everything is a robot, and I'm pretty sure the harmony one would be no exception.

I now have this mental image of your two year old in an Optimus Prime outfit charging down the hall with a Harmony One remote in hand! :D

GarrettL1979
Aug 2, 2012, 08:16 AM
I now have this mental image of your two year old in an Optimus Prime outfit charging down the hall with a Harmony One remote in hand! :D

haha! I need to get him an optimus prime costume. He would love that! :D

donrsd
Aug 4, 2012, 02:40 PM
unfortunately, I can't really afford that one, and even if I could, I'd be worried about its durability. I have a 2 year old who likes to pretend everything is a robot, and I'm pretty sure the harmony one would be no exception.

So now I'm debating harmony 650 vs. urc R50. At first I was planning on going with the harmony, but there are quite a few bad reviews out there which are making me hesitant.


ive had harmony remotes for years now.
my just turned 3 year old knows to NOT touch Daddy's electronics or tv :mad:

your son will be fine with the remote, just make sure to lay down the law and/or hide the remote when he will be around.

ive also been letting my kid use my ipad 2, and now ipad 3, for the last year or so.
she knows to ASK when she doesnt want it so i can get it from her.
just teach him the ropes with electronics......if that doesnt work, then get him back when he has his own electronics/house at 35 years old and let your beer spill on HIS remote lol

Ksh
Aug 7, 2012, 02:51 AM
Uhm I'm afraid budget is a bit low to get a decent A/V.

Anyway if you can afford a Denon or Onkyo set,you won't regret at all.
After years of experience these trademarks give the best relation about quality and budget :P

Have a nice day!

donrsd
Aug 7, 2012, 07:59 AM
someone is selling an older Onkyo 605 for $125 on bluray.com > trading forum > home theater equipment

x-evil-x
Aug 9, 2012, 05:33 AM
ive owned denon(broke on me) two yamahas, a very high end pioneer elite receiver(1300$) which i still have 5 years later working like a tank.
just recently got a marantz. 1401. guess they dont have it anymore but this is basically the same thing just newer. http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=AVReceivers&SubCatId=&ProductId=NR1403
i love the sound of it. music and movies are amazing it has a more warm sound i cant explain it really but what yamaha poineer denon do is over inflate how much watts per channel it really has. Marantz does this a little differently and i love it. Also its slimmer then most and easy to use and setup.

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if you can find a 1402 still id pick that up in a heart beat. It will beat out any receiver under 400$ imo