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ecwhite4S
Jul 24, 2012, 11:06 PM
So I was watching some Jeopardy, and this commercial comes on...

It starts out with a jogger that starts his early morning (I'm assuming) run and he has a phone is in hand, and earbuds in. I thought to myself, hmm is this an Apple commercial? But then thought, well I dont think it would be a 4S commercial because they have been out for a while. And then I hear a "Siri-like" voice that speaks to the jogger, plays him music, reads to him. And immediately I think "this is Samsung", and surely enough they show the phone in his hands from his POV, and it's the Galaxy S3.

Now, I'm sorry, I am not an Android hater, nor an Apple worshipper...

But if that isn't near deliberate copying, then I don't know what is.

I'm not even saying the S3 is trying to be the iPhone, but that type of marketing, the way the commercial flowed, the voice in the commercial at the end, it was soooo Apple. It felt like an old 4S commercial of some sort.

Again, I am not trying to start a fight... but has anyone seen this commercial and know what I'm talking about? The Android users always come over here and claim that Samsung doesnt try to copy whatsoever, but that commercial speaks otherwise.



jav6454
Jul 24, 2012, 11:12 PM
Ad link?

iPhoneApple
Jul 24, 2012, 11:12 PM
So I was watching some Jeopardy, and this commercial comes on...

It starts out with a jogger that starts his early morning (I'm assuming) run and he has a phone is in hand, and earbuds in. I thought to myself, hmm is this an Apple commercial? But then thought, well I dont think it would be a 4S commercial because they have been out for a while. And then I hear a "Siri-like" voice that speaks to the jogger, plays him music, reads to him. And immediately I think "this is Samsung", and surely enough they show the phone in his hands from his POV, and it's the Galaxy S3.

Now, I'm sorry, I am not an Android hater, nor an Apple worshipper...

But if that isn't near deliberate copying, then I don't know what is.

I'm not even saying the S3 is trying to be the iPhone, but that type of marketing, the way the commercial flowed, the voice in the commercial at the end, it was soooo Apple. It felt like an old 4S commercial of some sort.

Again, I am not trying to start a fight... but has anyone seen this commercial and know what I'm talking about? The Android users always come over here and claim that Samsung doesnt try to copy whatsoever, but that commercial speaks otherwise.

Classic Samsung. The ad you were talking about was shown at the unveiling of the 4S

ecwhite4S
Jul 24, 2012, 11:14 PM
Ad link?

I tried YouTube searching it, no luck yet.

ixodes
Jul 24, 2012, 11:20 PM
So what?

I neither watch, nor compare commercials. It's a complete waste of time.

If you're that bothered, donate to Apples warchest.

They need the money :eek:

ecwhite4S
Jul 24, 2012, 11:25 PM
So what?

I neither watch, nor compare commercials. It's a complete waste of time.

If you're that bothered, donate to Apples warchest.

They need the money :eek:

Well you're obviously bothered that I recognized that Samsung is deliberately copying off Apple in an abnormally obvious way, I mean "so what"??..you're missing the point. I'm sick of people claiming they aren't copying Apple.

And I'm really not ticked about it, again I'm not a fanboy. My iPhone is my only Apple product. And honestly it's good that others copy Apple and the iPhone, it solidifies the fact that the iPhone is top notch.

And you said you don't watch commercials? What do you have commercial-less tv?

nuckinfutz
Jul 24, 2012, 11:36 PM
Don't worry. Sammy is getting sued silly. They'll eventually stop being "stuck on stupid" and start thinking for themselves.

ixodes
Jul 24, 2012, 11:49 PM
Well you're obviously bothered that I recognized that Samsung is deliberately copying off Apple in an abnormally obvious way, I mean "so what"??..you're missing the point. I'm sick of people claiming they aren't copying Apple.

And I'm really not ticked about it, again I'm not a fanboy. My iPhone is my only Apple product. And honestly it's good that others copy Apple and the iPhone, it solidifies the fact that the iPhone is top notch.

And you said you don't watch commercials? What do you have commercial-less tv?

It's called an iPad. It's the perfect way to ignore commercials.

Try it, you may like it, or not. :eek:

Savor
Jul 25, 2012, 12:33 AM
I didn't realize Apple had a patent to make commercials that way. ::sarcasm::

Maybe Coca-Cola should sue Pepsi. Maybe McDonald's should sue Burger King. Maybe Ford should sue all cars with steering wheels. Maybe Michael Jordan should have patent his moves and sue Kobe Bryant for aping it. Maybe NBC and ABC should sue each other for having similar programs.

Apple and Samsung have brand rivalry. Apple is better at software and Samsung is better at hardware the way Sony was in their prime. Of course they try to appeal to the same markets. Of course you will see similarities. You can't assume Apple comes up with all the cool ideas and deserves the right to do them because you assume they did it all first.

nuckinfutz
Jul 25, 2012, 12:37 AM
Samsung is a **** eating copy cat.


For once they should try to make something original. Oh way they have and it all sucks.

ecwhite4S
Jul 25, 2012, 12:49 AM
I didn't realize Apple had a patent to make commercials that way. ::sarcasm::

Maybe Coca-Cola should sue Pepsi. Maybe McDonald's should sue Burger King. Maybe Ford should sue all cars with steering wheels. Maybe Michael Jordan should have patent his moves and sue Kobe Bryant for aping it. Maybe NBC and ABC should sue each other for having similar programs.

Apple and Samsung have brand rivalry. Apple is better at software and Samsung is better at hardware the way Sony was in their prime. Of course they try to appeal to the same markets. Of course you will see similarities. You can't assume Apple comes up with all the cool ideas and deserves the right to do them because you assume they did it all first.
Umm your comparisons of Coke vs Pepsi and McDonald's vs Burger King are horrible and arent even relevant to what im discussing.

This commercial was literally exactly as Apple commercials are, almost a carbon copy. I've never seen Coke have a commercial that reminded me of a Pepsi commercial or vice versa.

The whole point is, they are trying to become the new iPhone and while that's an admirable thing to strive for, it will never happen. Personally I think Android vs Apple is like apples and oranges. They are a completely different experience.

I understand competition especially at this large a scale. But deliberate copying is not only a poor business decision, but it shows inferiority.

If Android wants to be better than Apple, they'd better shy away from copying them so much. Because they seem confused.

Mac.World
Jul 25, 2012, 01:02 AM
Samsung is a **** eating copy cat.


For once they should try to make something original. Oh way they have and it all sucks.

Hmmm, just thinking about how 'original' Apple is and then I remembered...

Apple rips off BBM for iMessage
Apple rips off Android and copies the split keyboard, notification center, notification banners, opening apps from the lock screen, and ota os updates.
Apple will be ripping off HP with inductive charging, but that is just a prediction.

Yep, Apple sure is original. They don't copy anyone, do they? That reality distortion bubble getting claustrophobic yet?

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I understand competition especially at this large a scale. But deliberate copying is not only a poor business decision, but it shows inferiority.

If Android wants to be better than Apple, they'd better shy away from copying them so much. Because they seem confused.

Please see my post above.

ecwhite4S
Jul 25, 2012, 01:09 AM
Hmmm, just thinking about how 'original' Apple is and then I remembered...

Apple rips off BBM for iMessage
Apple rips off Android and copies the split keyboard, notification center, notification banners, opening apps from the lock screen, and ota os updates.
Apple will be ripping off HP with inductive charging, but that is just a prediction.

Yep, Apple sure is original. They don't copy anyone, do they? That reality distortion bubble getting claustrophobic yet?

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Please see my post above.

They both copy off each others software sure, but to also copy there marketing, and to the degrees that they did, is cheesy. You can argue with me and defend Samsing til you are blue in the face..it's still cheesy.

Mac.World
Jul 25, 2012, 01:21 AM
They both copy off each others software sure, but to also copy there marketing, and to the degrees that they did, is cheesy. You can argue with me and defend Samsing til you are blue in the face..it's still cheesy.

I didn't realize there were different degrees of copying? Is it similar to referring to theft as borrowing another persons property?

I don't care about the commercial or Apple vs Samsung. I just can't stand these hypocritical statements about how everyone copies Apple, yet fail to realize or want to ignore the vast amount of copying Apple does.

ecwhite4S
Jul 25, 2012, 06:19 AM
I didn't realize there were different degrees of copying? Is it similar to referring to theft as borrowing another persons property?

I don't care about the commercial or Apple vs Samsung. I just can't stand these hypocritical statements about how everyone copies Apple, yet fail to realize or want to ignore the vast amount of copying Apple does.
Right, we've established that company's copy each other but there's a point where copying becomes a company that just wants to be another company. Some of the new android phones even resemble the iPhone. Sorry, I'm just calling a spade a spade.

I don't think Apple is AS guilty of this. That's
if you truly examine their history, and take the blindfold off.

Mac.World
Jul 25, 2012, 10:59 AM
Right, we've established that company's copy each other but there's a point where copying becomes a company that just wants to be another company. Some of the new android phones even resemble the iPhone. Sorry, I'm just calling a spade a spade.

I don't think Apple is AS guilty of this. That's
if you truly examine their history, and take the blindfold off.

Apple has been a truly innovative company under Jobs leadership. He was instrumental in bringing all of us to where we are now technologically. But even Jon Ivey admitted that Jobs would steal his ideas for his own. And we know Apple copies it's competitors.

You are correct that there are levels of imitation. Companies like Microsoft and Samsung are emulating a successful company. Nothing wrong with this. Microsoft mimics the look of the Apple store and even opens Microsoft stores right next to Apple stores on purpose. Samsung copies the flow of how Apple does their commercials, because they are successful. Companies do this all the time. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it a bad thing.

Eddie Bombay
Jul 25, 2012, 11:17 AM
I heard Apple tried to submit a patent on the original commercial but they got denied. Now on Apple's next commercial they need to tell the world they did not copy Samsung.

(Few might get this) :thumbup:

batting1000
Jul 25, 2012, 11:21 AM
This explains it:

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/samsung-phones-before-and-after-iphones.jpeg

ecwhite4S
Jul 25, 2012, 12:17 PM
This explains it:

Image (http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/samsung-phones-before-and-after-iphones.jpeg)
Thank you! Perfect diagram.

Samsung phones are definitely trying to look like iPhones, the curved edges and metal band around, they are also starting to have physical home buttons on the bottom center, offering white models, etc. Hmm.

Again we all know companies copy each other. It's the nature of competition. But if you can sit there and say that they arent making phones that are near deliberately trying to look like the iPhone then you are lying to yourself.

What I hate the most about all this, IS WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T ADMIT that they are copying to an extreme.

But I'll say it again and again. Keep copying, you're making Apple blush.

Mac.World
Jul 25, 2012, 01:02 PM
This explains it:

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I don't think anyone doubts that Apple's first iPhone was a paradigm shift in the smartphone world. Capacitive screen tech was considered to expensive and most companies wouldn't take a chance trying to sell a phone for $600! Apple took that chance and it paid off, and the world realized the tech was good and people would buy expensive phones without physical keyboards. Apple had the foresight.

Of course, we also saw the same design copying of the Blackberry type phone, and before that the Motorola Razor v3 flip phone and before that the Nokia mini-display candy bar phone... if Apple had been around in the field back then, who would they have copied? By the way, development of the LG Prada and Samsung F700 were both taking place while the iPhone was being developed. All three phones were shown to the public within a 4 month span from late 06 to early 07. It would be impossible for any of these companies to reproduce each others products in under a month and all three had similar design details. Apple's was just the better phone by far!

The iGentleman
Jul 25, 2012, 01:09 PM
I don't think anyone doubts that Apple's first iPhone was a paradigm shift in the smartphone world. Capacitive screen tech was considered to expensive and most companies wouldn't take a chance trying to sell a phone for $600! Apple took that chance and it paid off, and the world realized the tech was good and people would buy expensive phones without physical keyboards. Apple had the foresight.


Apple wasn't the first (or even close to being first) to have $600 phones. My Qtek 9100 that I had 3 years before the iPhone costed $600 and it had more features than the iPhone did at launch, even though the phone was already 3 years old. What apple did was make some improvements to the existing smartphone, but what made it a success was they marketed it to the average consumer. Prior to that, those types of devices were aimed at business customers primarily. I remember when I got my first smartphone, I saw how useful it was and how much could be done with it, and I would wonder why they didn't market them to the average consumer. I used to say whoever markets these to the average joe, is going to make a killing because they can be sold as entertainment devices and not just a business device. Apple did just that and made a killing because of it.

Mac.World
Jul 25, 2012, 01:19 PM
Apple wasn't the first (or even close to being first) to have $600 phones. My Qtek 9100 that I had 3 years before the iPhone costed $600 and it had more features than the iPhone did at launch, even though the phone was already 3 years old. What apple did was make some improvements to the existing smartphone, but what made it a success was they marketed it to the average consumer. Prior to that, those types of devices were aimed at business customers primarily. I remember when I got my first smartphone, I saw how useful it was and how much could be done with it, and I would wonder why they didn't market them to the average consumer. I used to say whoever markets these to the average joe, is going to make a killing because they can be sold as entertainment devices and not just a business device. Apple did just that and made a killing because of it.

I figured it was a given that we are always discussing consumer phones on this forum and not business specific phones?

Technarchy
Jul 25, 2012, 01:36 PM
It would be impossible for any of these companies to reproduce each others products in under a month and all three had similar design details. Apple's was just the better phone by far!

Really...

Remember when Samsung showed their tablet, then Apple showed the iPad2, Samsung realized their tablet was ass, so they redesigned it within a couple of months to look just like the iPad...

Yeah, that happened.

kdarling
Jul 25, 2012, 03:08 PM
Thank you! Perfect diagram.

For fairness, that diagram left out this 2006 Samsung all-touch phone:

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Samsung phones are definitely trying to look like iPhones, the curved edges and metal band around, they are also starting to have physical home buttons on the bottom center, offering white models, etc. Hmm.

I think they did a lot of that at first, but have evolved to their own look now. Samsungs also have larger screens and are thinner and lighter.

Besides, if we're talking about curved rectangles, edge, metal bands, colors... then we should bring up this 2005 Windows CE phone, which the iPhone 4 resembles:

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Or this 2006 fan concept:

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Orange Furball
Jul 25, 2012, 03:18 PM
Still no link?

ecwhite4S
Jul 25, 2012, 04:35 PM
For fairness, that diagram left out this 2006 Samsung all-touch phone:

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I think they did a lot of that at first, but have evolved to their own look now. Samsungs also have larger screens and are thinner and lighter.

Besides, if we're talking about curved rectangles, edge, metal bands, colors... then we should bring up this 2005 Windows CE phone, which the iPhone 4 resembles:

349789

Or this 2006 fan concept:

349790
Wow that's one phone that the iPhone resembles, can you explain the many many Android phones that are copying Apple? Besides, that windows phone is ugly.
The 4 was a reinvented design of the 3G, I don't think Apple had that windows CE phone in mind while they were designing, I mean honestly...

Samsungs designs have changed rapidly since the 4/4S, please just admit it.

Thank you for trying to prove a point but failing. Point blank guys, Apple is the trendsetter, let's just call it like it is.

You guys can continue to bring up pointless facts/opinions that prove nothing though if you'd like...

Nand
Jul 25, 2012, 05:38 PM
The 2006 Samsung z610, some tech sites reviews said in 2006..



Samsung Z610 takes after the iPod
"Samsung has a brand new cellphone in the form of the Z610 that was recently approved by the FCC. This new handset boasts a minimalist design that takes after Apple’s uber-successful iPod line of MP3 players. The Z610 comes in a glossy white exterior that screams of fingerprint magnet which is punctuated by chrome accents at strategic places. Dedicated music playback buttons are included to cater for those who rely on cellphones as their primary audio device. A microSD slot is available for you to carry all your favorite tunes, while other notable multimedia features include a 2 megapixel camera behind and a VGA camera in front for video calls. The pricing and availability of this 3G handset is currently unknown"





"Samsung is knocking on the cellphone styling door from all angles, and now it's following the iPod's lead, imitating the familiar creamy white form factor. We get this sneak peek at the Samsung Z610 as it begins to pass muster with the FCC, so we might be seeing this attractive little bauble by the end of the year.

The 3G-supporting slider handset has a mildly respectable spec list, with a 2-megapixel camera, a microSD expansion slot, and the capability of playing MP3/WMA/AAC audio files. Expect to see more music-capable phones with high-style design as we get closer to the inevitable mobile music phone launch from Apple. – Charlie White"

http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/29/samsungs-touchscreen-sgh-z610-sees-fcc-approval/

kdarling
Jul 25, 2012, 05:57 PM
Wow that's one phone that the iPhone resembles, can you explain the many many Android phones that are copying Apple? Besides, that windows phone is ugly.

Hey, a lot of people here claimed the iPhone 4 was ugly, too :)

Your point is valid about companies closely following the iPhone style at first.

Samsungs designs have changed rapidly since the 4/4S, please just admit it.

I don't think you meant this, but you're right: any phone makers who were still mimicking Apple when the iPhone 4 came out, stopped following them after that.

Intead of copying the small screen industrial chunk look of the 4/4S for their flagship phones, most of them went larger, thinner, lighter, more curved.

Technarchy
Jul 25, 2012, 06:17 PM
The iPhone's look is an evolution of the iPod through and through, which goes back to 2001.

Notice the theme from beginning to end. A curved rectangle with a screen and a circle underneath.

2001
http://cdn.ismashphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/6a00e55225079e8834014e5f76eaea970c-320wi.jpg

2003
http://cdn.ismashphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/6a00e55225079e8834014e5f76f5d1970c-320wi.jpg

2004
http://cdn.ismashphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/6a00e55225079e8834014e865150fb970d-320wi.jpg

2007
http://www.spoon-tamago.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ipod-touch.jpg

2010 4/4S
http://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/2773/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/step0-iphone4s-gallery-image4?wid=488&hei=531&fmt=png-alpha&qlt=95

ecwhite4S
Jul 25, 2012, 06:29 PM
Intead of copying the small screen industrial chunk look of the 4/4S for their flagship phones, most of them went larger, thinner, lighter, more curved.
They can go as large, thin, light and curvy as they want. They are still very closely resembling the iPhone.

If they hadnt gone bigger, thinner with larger displays they would have no doubt been accused of downright copying.

kdarling
Jul 25, 2012, 06:30 PM
The iPhone's look is an evolution of the iPod through and through, which goes back to 2001.

Notice the theme from beginning to end. A curved rectangle with a screen and a circle underneath.

Oh, there's no doubt that Jon Ive, a disciple of Dieter Rams, has long been in love with his simple rounded rectangle:

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That's a good observation about the circle underneath theme, btw.

Likewise, Samsung has long favored a large central button as a focal point on their phones (see some examples in batting1000's post above).

Technarchy
Jul 25, 2012, 06:41 PM
Likewise, Samsung has long favored a large central button as a focal point on their phones (see some examples in batting1000's post above).

I think that is true, but it was Apple that made minimalism and iPod DNA the de facto standard that we see in the "post PC era."

Especially the proliferation of stark white devices.

For those of us that are old enough to remember what designs were like before the iPod...

http://www.minidisc.org/images/archos_jukeboxrecorder.jpg

http://s206301103.websitehome.co.uk/museum/picts/mp3/rio.jpg

http://www.reviewsonline.com/pictures/SamsungPhotoYEPP.jpg

Rennir
Jul 25, 2012, 06:49 PM
Again, I am not trying to start a fight... but has anyone seen this commercial and know what I'm talking about? The Android users always come over here and claim that Samsung doesnt try to copy whatsoever, but that commercial speaks otherwise.

Forget what android users and apple users say because such broad populations are bound to have a couple of bad apples. Reasonable people will say that all companies copy to one degree or another, and that's all your need to know :D

kdarling
Jul 25, 2012, 09:58 PM
This explains it:
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Yes, that's the cherry-picked diagram that Apple uses.

Samsung has their own diagram presented as evidence in court (sorry, best image I could get from the doc), showing internal R&D from 2006:
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They can go as large, thin, light and curvy as they want. They are still very closely resembling the iPhone.

They also resemble the Prada, or that Pidion (which helped Apple lose a design injunction case in the Netherlands last January), and other rounded rectangular designs with metal bezels that go back decades.

Apple wasn't the first to come up with this shape. They made it popular. That's not very defendable unless it was a major advertising point (which it wasn't). So Apple's next step will be to try to prove all around look and feel, which is difficult, too. We're still waiting for those trials to begin.

In the meantime, we should all enjoy our phones :)

Cheers!

ecwhite4S
Jul 25, 2012, 10:04 PM
349874
Yes, that's the cherry-picked diagram that Apple uses.

Samsung has their own diagram presented as evidence in court (sorry, best image I could get from the doc), showing internal R&D from 2006:
349873


They also resemble the Prada, or that Pidion (which helped Apple lose a design injunction case in the Netherlands last January), and other rounded rectangular designs with metal bezels that go back decades.

Apple wasn't the first to come up with this shape. They made it popular. That's not very defendable unless it was a major advertising point (which it wasn't). So Apple's next step will be to try to prove all around look and feel, which is difficult, too. We're still waiting for those trials to begin.

In the meantime, we should all enjoy our phones :)

Cheers!
But I'm not talking decades ago, I'm talking in the recent years, in the recent boom of mobile phones. You keep bringing up the far away past. It's completely near irrelevant. You're trying to evade the truth.

This might be a stupid thing to bring up, but how about the Galaxy OEM charger, the black USB cube, what does that look like? It's little things like that...

Ironically there is a post a few posts down with an article about how Google is warning Samsung to stop copying Apple. The article says basically what I've been saying in this entire thread.

Orange Furball
Jul 25, 2012, 10:25 PM
Just saw it on A&E at around 11:21 Pm EST. I think its just an at&t commercial. Not for Samsung. Anyway it was Appleish.

kdarling
Jul 25, 2012, 10:30 PM
But I'm not talking decades ago, I'm talking in the recent years, in the recent boom of mobile phones. You keep bringing up the far away past. It's completely near irrelevant. You're trying to evade the truth.

I also brought up 2006 and 2005 designs. The comment about decades was emphasis on how old the design is.

This might be a stupid thing to bring up, but how about the Galaxy OEM charger, the black USB cube, what does that look like? It's little things like that...

Now you're scraping the barrel. I have both types of chargers, and they're really not that similar. The Samsung model has a nice big lip to help pull on, for one thing. Don't depend on photos someone chose to look similar.

Ironically there is a post a few posts down with an article about how Google is warning Samsung to stop copying Apple. The article says basically what I've been saying in this entire thread.

Ironically the same type of articles claimed that Apple stole the iPhone design from Sony.

Technarchy
Jul 25, 2012, 10:51 PM
Ironically the same type of articles claimed that Apple stole the iPhone design from Sony.

I find that hard to believe considering the iPhone is nothing but an evolved iPod. SJ even called the iPhone the "best iPod we've every made" on many occasions.

The Apple iPod DNA from 2001 to the iPhone 4S today is glaring, and easily predates any design language Sony had in place.

Even if Sony eluded to a minimalist rounded corner rectangle touchscreen phone in 2005, it still came long after the iPod design was introduced.

I was something of a "Sony-phile" in 2001 and their version of MP3 at the time was very different than Apple's vision.

(I still own one of these)
http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/blnc/120623/508r1/46358ah_20.jpeg

We can see where the iPhone evolved from...

The Xperia looks nothing like what Sony was doing a decade ago.

http://zapp1.staticworld.net/reviews/graphics/products/uploaded/sony_xperia_ion_1177478_g2.jpg

ecwhite4S
Jul 25, 2012, 11:37 PM
I also brought up 2006 and 2005 designs. The comment about decades was emphasis on how old the design is.



Now you're scraping the barrel. I have both types of chargers, and they're really not that similar. The Samsung model has a nice big lip to help pull on, for one thing. Don't depend on photos someone chose to look similar.



Ironically the same type of articles claimed that Apple stole the iPhone design from Sony.


And yeah, like I SAID, its stupid to bring it up, but even the freaking chargers resemble the iPhone charger! Whether or not its a minor detail, it's a copy off a design. CLEARLY. I mean, why'd they have to do almost the exact same small cube design? Because they are trying to be the iPhone. Keyword: trying.

kdarling
Jul 26, 2012, 12:23 AM
I mean, why'd they have to do almost the exact same small cube design? Because they are trying to be the iPhone. Keyword: trying.

If that's how they are trying to be the iPhone, they're not doing a very good job, because:

1) It's not the same exact design. Not even the same color.

2) Alas, nobody buys a phone based on the generic shape of its charger.

3) Most importantly, Apple has never complained about it. Considering the details they throw into their cases, it must not matter to them.

Mac.World
Jul 26, 2012, 12:27 AM
And yeah, like I SAID, its stupid to bring it up, but even Y. I mean, why'd they have to do almost the exact same small cube design? Because they are trying to be the iPhone. Keyword: trying.

In terms of phones, we'll the S3 blew right past the iphone 4S. It's not even a competition. You might as well be comparing a Motorola flip phone that's how far the iphone trails the S3. And I guess Apple has run out of designs. This will be the 3rd year in a row of the same look, albeit stretched just a tad this year. Yawn.

In terms of tablets, everyone except maybe Asus is still trailing Apple's ipad, even if that design is getting stale too. And Samsung did blatantly copy the power block and wide 19 pin connector. If you owned both an iPad2 and a table 10.1,you could very easily mix up the two connectors since they look identical. However, the whole look and feel of an iPad2 is pure b.s. The shape and look has been around longer than the ipad.

fox10078
Jul 26, 2012, 12:29 AM
On topic, It's an AT&T olympic commercial no? and he is listening to audio books correct?? It doesn't talk to him like siri, it just is an audio book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_xw6bv8YY

Mac.World
Jul 26, 2012, 12:33 AM
I think that is true, but it was Apple that made minimalism and iPod DNA the de facto standard that we see in the "post PC era."

Especially the proliferation of stark white devices.

For those of us that are old enough to remember what designs were like before the iPod...
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I had the Sony mini disc player on a deployment I did back in 98. I thought for sure that mini discs were the future. Little did I know solid state memory was coming after those huge zip drives went away. Have you been in long enough to remember 8" floppy's?

ecwhite4S
Jul 26, 2012, 12:38 AM
On topic, It's an AT&T olympic commercial no? and he is listening to audio books correct?? It doesn't talk to him like siri, it just is an audio book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_xw6bv8YY

Nope, not the same commercial. The one I saw was shot in the early morning, or early evening, I said it in my original post if you read the whole thing.

You'll notice the commercial if you ever find it (I cant find it), just look for the one that looks exactly like an Apple iPhone commercial. :p

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In terms of phones, we'll the S3 blew right past the iphone 4S. It's not even a competition. You might as well be comparing a Motorola flip phone that's how far the iphone trails the S3. And I guess Apple has run out of designs. This will be the 3rd year in a row of the same look, albeit stretched just a tad this year. Yawn.
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The S3 is in a higher class than the iPhone 4S, it has quad core vs the 4S' dual core. The 4S is in class with the S2. The iPhone 5 will be the S3's competition. I dont know why people compare (performance wise), the 4S with the S3. The S3 is higher powered and newer. Just wait for the iPhone 5. The cycle continues. :D

And seriously, you just said that a 4S vs a S3 is like a flip phone vs S3? Thats extremely horrible inaccurate, bullcrap. It's actually funny. A flip phone you say? LOL. You should look into stand up comedy.

The iGentleman
Jul 26, 2012, 12:46 AM
The S3 is in a higher class than the iPhone 4S, it has quad core vs the 4S' dual core. The 4S is in class with the S2. The iPhone 5 will be the S3's competition. I dont know why people compare (performance wise), the 4S with the S3. The S3 is higher powered and newer. Just wait for the iPhone 5. The cycle continues. :D

And seriously, you just said that a 4S vs a S3 is like a flip phone vs S3? Thats extremely horrible inaccurate, bullcrap. It's actually funny. A flip phone you say? LOL. You should look into stand up comedy.

The 4S is the most recent iPhone model. Just as the GS3 will be the most recent Galaxy model when the iPhone launches. If the iPhone launches in October, the GS3 will be almost 5 months old. When the GS3 launched, the iPhone was 7 months old. That's only a 2 month difference. So because of a two month difference the 4S should be exempt from comparisons, but the GS3 won't be exempt later on down the line? That's some kind of logic you're employing there.

Technarchy
Jul 26, 2012, 12:51 AM
I had the Sony mini disc player on a deployment I did back in 98. I thought for sure that mini discs were the future. Little did I know solid state memory was coming after those huge zip drives went away. Have you been in long enough to remember 8" floppy's?

I remember telling a friend that Minidisc was a more viable format than the iPod back in 2002. Silly me.

We had boxes of 8" floppies in the SCIF that were never cleared for disposal. No one knew what the hell was on them and we had no machines that could read them but no senior officer wanted to trash them. Freaking army.

I don't think I've ever actually used a real floppy since elementary school.

ecwhite4S
Jul 26, 2012, 12:53 AM
The 4S is the most recent iPhone model. Just as the GS3 will be the most recent Galaxy model when the iPhone launches. If the iPhone launches in October, the GS3 will be almost 5 months old. When the GS3 launched, the iPhone was 7 months old. That's only a 2 month difference. So because of a two month difference the 4S should be exempt from comparisons, but the GS3 won't be exempt later on down the line? That's some kind of logic you're employing there.

Of course it's the most recent, but regardless the S3 came out AFTER the 4S. AND IT HAS QUAD CORE. 4S came out fall of 2011, S3 came out summer of 2012. That's a long enough timespan. If they were on similar cycles, it could be easier to really determine what phone should be against what phone. But I'm sorry how can you say S3 KILLS the 4S, when it has quad core? It's like saying the 2011 Ford Mustang V6 gets killed by the 2012 Ford Mustang V12. Obviously... newer, double the engine, more recent (even if it's just several months).

You're taking what I said and going to far with it. What I said is...the 5 will have quad core. Put that next to the S3.

This is logic.

The iGentleman
Jul 26, 2012, 12:57 AM
Of course it's the most recent, but regardless the S3 came out AFTER the 4S. AND IT HAS QUAD CORE. 4S came out fall of 2011, S3 came out summer of 2012. That's a long enough timespan. If they were on similar cycles, it could be easier to really determine what phone should be against what phone. But I'm sorry how can you say S3 KILLS the 4S, when it has quad core? It's like saying the 2011 Ford Mustang V6 gets killed by the 2012 Ford Mustang V12. Obviously... newer, double the engine, more recent (even if it's just several months).

You're taking what I said and going to far with it. What I said is...the 5 will have quad core. Put that next to the S3.

This is logic.
ACTUALLY. The iPhone came out Fall of '11 and the GS3 came out Spring of '12. The iPhone if released in October will be Fall of '12. That's the same 2 season span. So by your logic, the iPhone 5 shouldn't be compared to the GS3 then. What's good for the goose is good for the gander..... Figure out which way you want it and stick with it.

Rennir
Jul 26, 2012, 01:03 AM
Of course it's the most recent, but regardless the S3 came out AFTER the 4S. AND IT HAS QUAD CORE. 4S came out fall of 2011, S3 came out summer of 2012. That's a long enough timespan. If they were on similar cycles, it could be easier to really determine what phone should be against what phone. But I'm sorry how can you say S3 KILLS the 4S, when it has quad core? It's like saying the 2011 Ford Mustang V6 gets killed by the 2012 Ford Mustang V12. Obviously... newer, double the engine, more recent (even if it's just several months).

You're taking what I said and going to far with it. What I said is...the 5 will have quad core. Put that next to the S3.

This is logic.

Quad core means nothing without the performance. Poorly optimized software can't get fixed with more powerful CPUs. So just because the S3 is quad-core doesn't mean the iPhone gets a pass because the iPhone has the advantage of a better synthesis between hardware and software. The Cortex A9 (quad) actually loses to the Cortex A15 (dual), which is also what I expect to be in the next iPhone.

Mac.World
Jul 26, 2012, 01:05 AM
Of course it's the most recent, but regardless the S3 came out AFTER the 4S. AND IT HAS QUAD CORE. 4S came out fall of 2011, S3 came out summer of 2012. That's a long enough timespan. If they were on similar cycles, it could be easier to really determine what phone should be against what phone. But I'm sorry how can you say S3 KILLS the 4S, when it has quad core? It's like saying the 2011 Ford Mustang V6 gets killed by the 2012 Ford Mustang V12. Obviously... newer, double the engine, more recent (even if it's just several months).

You're taking what I said and going to far with it. What I said is...the 5 will have quad core. Put that next to the S3.

This is logic.
The USA version of the S3 does not have a quad core. It is a 1.5gHz dual core cpu with 2GB of RAM. You seem to be arguing about a product you are unfamiliar with.

ecwhite4S
Jul 26, 2012, 01:12 AM
The USA version of the S3 does not have a quad core. It is a 1.5gHz dual core cpu with 2GB of RAM. You seem to be arguing about a product you are unfamiliar with.

I saw a video on YouTube that had QUAD CORE on the factory screen guard while unboxing. Obviously if the US version is dual core then it must have been a foreign video. Sorry, didnt know, I haven't done deep research into the S3 because I dont ever plan on owning one. Good to know, though.

And the iPhone has 512 ram and 800 mhz. So, either way... the phones have rather different specs. So I guess you can compare the foreign S3 to the 5. I just dont think it's fair to put the S3 against the 4S, when it came out 2 seasons before and have much different specs.

Samsung makes a powerful phone, there is no doubt in that. But I appreciate the fluidity and smoothness of iOS. That is why I prefer the iPhone. Never said Androids are weak.

The iGentleman
Jul 26, 2012, 01:29 AM
And the iPhone has 512 ram and 800 mhz. So, either way... the phones have rather different specs. So I guess you can compare the foreign S3 to the 5. I just dont think it's fair to put the S3 against the 4S, when it came out 2 seasons before and have much different specs.


What I don't get is how it's not okay to compare the iPhone 4S to the GS3 because it came out 2 seasons before it, yet it's okay to compare the GS3 to the iPhone 5, when the iPhone 5 will be released 2 seasons after the GS3. At least be consistent.

Fall '11 (4S release) - Spring '12 (GS3 release) = 2 Seasons = Not okay to compare
Spring '12 (GS3 Release) - Fall '12 (iPhone 5 release) = 2 Seasons = Okay to compare
WTF?!

ecwhite4S
Jul 26, 2012, 01:33 AM
What I don't get is how it's not okay to compare the iPhone 4S to the GS3 because it came out 2 seasons before it, yet it's okay to compare the GS3 to the iPhone 5, when the iPhone 5 will be released 2 seasons after the GS3. At least be consistent.
There is still a bigger gap from the 4S to the S3, then the S3 to the 5. Either way, I SAID LETS NOT COMPARE THEN. Released at different times, far different specs.

And I SAID we can go ahead and compare the iPhone 5 to the FOREIGN S3, since it's quad core, like the 5 will be. I feel like you're not even reading everything I am writing.

In my opinion you can't put a phone head to head unless the specs are equal, and who knows if that will ever happen with the way phone cycles are. One comes out, the next one makes some changes, and puts it out later... vice versa, cycle over and over again.

This will go back and forth, back and forth until the end of time....You think Android is better than iOS. I disagree with that, but that's okay. That's the beauty of life. You can have your Android phone if you love it, I can have my iPhone if I love it. But don't think that because YOU dont think the phone has what YOU want, then it doesnt have what everyone else wants either.

The iGentleman
Jul 26, 2012, 01:39 AM
There is still a bigger gap from the 4S to the S3, then the S3 to the 5. Either way, I SAID LETS NOT COMPARE THEN. Released at different times, far different specs.

And I SAID we can go ahead and compare the iPhone 5 to the FOREIGN S3, since it's quad core, like the 5 will be. I feel like you're not even reading everything I am writing.

In my opinion you can't put a phone head to head unless the specs are equal, and who knows if that will ever happen with the way phone cycles are. One comes out, the next one makes some changes, and puts it out later... vice versa, cycle over and over again.

Oh I'm reading it, what you're not reading apparently is, there is only a 2 month difference between the two. Furthermore, you are guessing the next iPhone will be quad-core which is not very likely. If anything it will likely have the new iPad's processor (or something along those lines). And since when is does a phone get a pass because the another phone's specs are too good? It doesn't work that way. BTW, the US version may have a dual-core, but those are A15 dual-core's. A15 dual cores > A9 quad-cores, not to mention the 2gb of RAM make it a multitasking monster. Bottom line is, there's no way you can justify not making one comparison, but making the other. If I were to subscribe to your theory, then we wouldn't be able to make any comparisons because most of the time, the phones don't come out at the same time. The most recent is compared to the most recent. Period.

Thomas P.
Jul 26, 2012, 01:50 AM
Well you're obviously bothered that I recognized that Samsung is deliberately copying off Apple in an abnormally obvious way, I mean "so what"??..you're missing the point. I'm sick of people claiming they aren't copying Apple.

And I'm really not ticked about it, again I'm not a fanboy. My iPhone is my only Apple product. And honestly it's good that others copy Apple and the iPhone, it solidifies the fact that the iPhone is top notch.

And you said you don't watch commercials? What do you have commercial-less tv?

Whats your pick on the UK judge decision, who clearly mentioned after hearing the case that samsung did not copy Apple, and that Apple should show a commercial saying that Samsung did not copy their product. And that Samsung is not as cool as the Apple!

So in short, judge said that Samsung did not copy the Apple! Isnt that enough for you to know that this copying stuff is just a propaganda by Apple! At least to me it looks so!

ecwhite4S
Jul 26, 2012, 01:55 AM
The most recent is compared to the most recent. Period.

And the most recent to the S3 release, is the iPhone 5, duh. Period. I dont think you realize what you're saying, or what I'm saying. The iPhone 4S was released 7 months before S3, the iPhone 5 will be released 5 months after the S3. Because they are closer in relation, they are compared. PERIOD.

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Whats your pick on the UK judge decision, who clearly mentioned after hearing the case that samsung did not copy Apple, and that Apple should show a commercial saying that Samsung did not copy their product. And that Samsung is not as cool as the Apple!

So in short, judge said that Samsung did not copy the Apple! Isnt that enough for you to know that this copying stuff is just a propaganda by Apple! At least to me it looks so!

Your post actually didn't make much sense...but I'm sorry, I have to reply and ask why do you keep saying "the Apple"?

The iGentleman
Jul 26, 2012, 02:10 AM
And the most recent to the S3 release, is the iPhone 5, duh. Period. I dont think you realize what you're saying, or what I'm saying. The iPhone 4S was released 7 months before S3, the iPhone 5 will be released 5 months after the S3. Because they are closer in relation, they are compared. PERIOD.[COLOR="#808080"]
Today the most recent iPhone release is the 4S....use your brain. :eek: lol @ your whole line of thinking that if a phone is too good, you can't compare it.... the very thought is laughable.

ecwhite4S
Jul 26, 2012, 10:22 AM
Today the most recent iPhone release is the 4S....use your brain. :eek: lol @ your whole line of thinking that if a phone is too good, you can't compare it.... the very thought is laughable.

You compare the phones that have the closest release, aka the 5 and the S3 stop justifying. The 5 will blow the S3 off the shelf.

Rennir
Jul 26, 2012, 11:23 AM
You compare the phones that have the closest release, aka the 5 and the S3 stop justifying. The 5 will blow the S3 off the shelf.

I completely disagree with your underlying assumption, but I'll humor you just the same. Here's an interesting fact: Steve said the original iPhone was 5 years ahead of any competition. Therefore, if we are to believe him, the iPhone should've been released in 2012 right? So any comparison between the iPhone and phones released 7 months prior to 2012 is invalid due to the time lapse. The original iPhone should be compared to the likes of the S3.

Wrathwitch
Aug 1, 2012, 09:35 AM
This explains it:

Image (http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/samsung-phones-before-and-after-iphones.jpeg)

Actually if you do further research you will discover that those are not the ONLY prototypes that SS had prior to the iPhone, in fact, they have recently released the other prototypes to the press because they were denied presenting them as fair evidence in court. I suspect Lucy Koh has already made up her mind regardless of prior evidence in favour of Samsung that they are not permitted to display.

Also, Apple no longer corners the market on user friendly VOIP or voice enabled devices. Apple has come out with their own maps FINALLY, are they copying Google, you bet ur Apple bottom they are!

Oh and PS basically there is only so much you can do with a rectangular design. The guts have to go somewhere, charger cable and audio out. So due to the popularity of the iPhone, how could other companies NOT reply with cool rectangles of their own? Just sayin.... Any company who would go against the grain on this and make a round or triangular cell phone would be laughed out of the industry.

I was not made aware that voice assistants were the sole property of Apple corporation......and of course if they were the first ones to bring it to market it is going to make other people look like they were copying, but Vlingo came out with voice commands/assistant WAAAY before Siri came to light.

Besides to say that Apple has the corner on all portable tech innovations is BS, they FREELY admit that they take ideas from other companies and make them work for them. That is not innovating, that is refining an already established idea from another company (*cough Sony * Cough).

Yes Apple has great ideas, but to say other companies never come up with any ideas is plain delusional: Google Now, Samsung's Smart Stay tech and some of their own gesture based executions on the new GS3. Google glasses, Street view (from Google) and I am sure I am neglegting tonnes of companies who have contributed to the overall end use effect of the devices on the market.

cynics
Aug 1, 2012, 12:49 PM
You compare the phones that have the closest release, aka the 5 and the S3 stop justifying. The 5 will blow the S3 off the shelf.

The closest release is the 4S. The iPhone 5/6 hasn't been released yet.

RMXO
Aug 1, 2012, 01:04 PM
You compare the phones that have the closest release, aka the 5 and the S3 stop justifying. The 5 will blow the S3 off the shelf.

iP5 better blow the S3 or Apple might lose some sales to Android. Just like when the S3 was released, it better blow the 4s or they would of lost sales.

I'm a firm believer in that, if you are going to release a product after your competition, you better make sure it would beat the competition or you risk losing out to the competition.

Mac.World
Aug 1, 2012, 01:24 PM
iP5 better blow the S3 or Apple might lose some sales to Android. Just like when the S3 was released, it better blow the 4s or they would of lost sales.

I'm a firm believer in that, if you are going to release a product after your competition, you better make sure it would beat the competition or you risk losing out to the competition.

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