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Jul 25, 2012, 05:40 PM
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Today, Apple launched (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/apple-launches-os-x-mountain-lion-via-mac-app-store-for-19-99/) OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion for $19.99 on the Mac App Store. The latest version OS X provides (http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/) a number of new features borrowed from iOS as well as some Mac specific ones. This overview video from Apple provides a quick look at the biggest new features.

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Other sites have put together more detailed videos (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/16/video-walkthrough-of-airplay-and-other-features-in-os-x-mountain-lion/) showing smaller changes and a more detailed look at AirPlay mirroring.

In general, the reception has been positive amongst reviewers (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/roundup-of-os-x-mountain-lion-reviews-faster-and-smoother-incremental-bargain-at-twice-the-price/), especially given the $19.99 price tag. The launch, however, has resulted in the removal (http://www.macworld.com/article/1167879/apple_pulls_lion_from_the_mac_app_store.html) of OS X Lion from the Mac App Store. While this isn't too big a surprise, it could leave some owners of older Macs stuck if their Mac isn't supported by OS X Mountain Lion but were supported by OS X Lion.

The other major hiccup in today's launch was the distribution (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/apples-os-x-mountain-lion-up-to-date-program-experiencing-early-hiccups/) of codes for Apple's Up To Date program. The Up To Date program offers Mountain Lion OS X to customers free of charge if they have bought a new Mac since June 11th. Apple seems to be aware of the issue (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/apples-os-x-mountain-lion-up-to-date-program-experiencing-early-hiccups/) and is working on reissuing faulty codes.

There have been a number of OS X Mountain Lion related software updates and news items today. If you aren't following our full RSS feed (http://feeds.macrumors.com/MacRumors-All), you may have missed the many updates on our Mac Blog (http://www.macrumors.com/mac/) today:

- Adobe and Avid Report Only Minor Issues With Mountain Lion (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/adobe-and-avid-report-only-minor-issues-with-mountain-lion/)
- Microsoft Confirms Office 2011 and 2008 Compatibility with OS X Mountain Lion (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/microsoft-confirms-office-2011-and-2008-compatibility-with-os-x-mountain-lion/)
- Create a Bootable Mountain Lion USB Key Installer (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/create-a-bootable-mountain-lion-usb-key-installer/)
- Apple Updates iPhoto, iMovie and Aperture Alongside OS X Mountain Lion (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/apple-updates-iphoto-imovie-and-aperture-alongside-os-x-mountain-lion/)
- Apple Updates iWork with iCloud and Dictation for OS X Mountain Lion (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/apple-updates-iwork-with-icloud-and-dictation-for-os-x-mountain-lion/)
- Apple Launches 'OS X Server' for Mountain Lion for $19.99 (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/apple-launches-os-x-server-app-for-19-99/)

Tidbits offers (http://tidbits.com/article/13147) a nice overview of tips and little details from Mountain Lion. Macworld has posted a number of detailed looks at Mountain Lion's Safari (http://www.macworld.com/article/1167866/up_close_with_mountain_lion_safari.html), Messages (http://www.macworld.com/article/1167818/up_close_with_mountain_lion_messages.html), and Reminders (http://www.macworld.com/article/1167856/up_close_with_mountain_lion_reminders.html). Finally, MacRumors readers have been posting in our Mountain Lion forum (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=155) for questions and tracking issues.

Article Link: Mountain Lion OS X 10.8 Launch Day Roundup (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/mountain-lion-os-x-10-8-launch-day-roundup/)



deannnnn
Jul 25, 2012, 05:44 PM
Still waiting on my upgrade code!

KnightWRX
Jul 25, 2012, 05:46 PM
No news item about the release of Xcode 4.4 with the 10.8 SDK/iOS 5.1 SDK (Xcode 4.5 will contain the iOS 6 SDK) ?

Xcode 4.4 with OS X 10.8 SDK/iOS 5.1 SDK (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xcode/id497799835?ls=1&mt=12)

MacintoshUser86
Jul 25, 2012, 05:46 PM
I have an early 2008 iMac and wow I've noticed an increase in speed that I haven't seen since Leopard that was original installed on my iMac. Snow Leopard was quick too but Lion was pretty sluggish. I can't get over how fast Sarfari is now too, super quick! Good job Apple. :)

For $20 Mountain Lion is 100% worth it.

Peace
Jul 25, 2012, 05:48 PM
That's an old video since it shows Facebook integration built in. I think it's still in dev. stage.

Galatian
Jul 25, 2012, 05:54 PM
Uh so if I ever have to reinstall Lion on a Mac that is unsupported by Mountain Lion I can't download it again although having paid for it?

Update: Nevermind. Seems like people who already purchased it can still redownload it!

applefan289
Jul 25, 2012, 05:54 PM
Another thing I like about Mountain Lion is that now it doesn't "auto save" and there seems to be less of a focus on the "Resume" feature.

outphase
Jul 25, 2012, 05:56 PM
Uh so if I ever have to reinstall Lion on a Mac that is unsupported by Mountain Lion I can't download it again although having paid for it?

Why wouldn't you be able to download it again? http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/how-to-re-download-lion-from-the-mac-app-store/

KALLT
Jul 25, 2012, 06:00 PM
Another thing I like about Mountain Lion is that now it doesn't "auto save" and there seems to be less of a focus on the "Resume" feature.

But it still works as in Lion. When I open and edit an existing document, the document will be auto saved when I close it, without any further notice. When I quit an application with open documents, it still saves them for me and reopens them when I open the app the next time. The only difference in Mountain Lion is that you can change this behaviour in System Preferences. You can disable the resume function and auto save if you want to, but they are not enabled by default.

I have become used to this anyway and actually quite like it. I close apps all the time instead of closing the individual documents, just to quickly get back to my work. The same goes for auto save, which ensures that all my edits are saved, even when I don’t think about it.

Nermal
Jul 25, 2012, 06:06 PM
If you aren't following our full RSS feed (http://feeds.macrumors.com/MacRumors-All), you may have missed the many updates on our Mac Blog (http://www.macrumors.com/mac/) today:

Well, I'd love to, but Safari doesn't support RSS anymore :mad:

TimAlia
Jul 25, 2012, 06:06 PM
That facebook icon is not showing up in my settings...

Rocketman
Jul 25, 2012, 06:08 PM
So let me get this straight. The update process does not weed out incompatible Macs so they do not forever feeze?

I have a bricked iPhone 1 with unaccessable critical data on it and also on my iTunes program. How can I see it even if I have to manually retype it?

appleguy
Jul 25, 2012, 06:09 PM
I currently have the GM version is there any reason to download via the MacApp store?

Nickerbocker
Jul 25, 2012, 06:10 PM
Hmm... It doesn't directly effect me, but I think they should probably put Lion back on the store with a big message saying that if your Mac is supported you should get Mountain Lion. The difference in price would probably sway people to the more up-to-date OS.

frunkis54
Jul 25, 2012, 06:10 PM
Yes but Lion is only removed from the App store and not everyones previously purchased Apps correct.

stukick
Jul 25, 2012, 06:11 PM
After using 10.8 for 2 weeks, I have to say, glad I didn't pay $19.99.

ixodes
Jul 25, 2012, 06:11 PM
Well, I'd love to, but Safari doesn't support RSS anymore :mad:
You've answered my question.

I had read (in disbelief) that 10.8.x would not support RSS. A decision I find rather curious, and quite disappointing. I had planned on giving Safari another try, since I haven't used it much lately. But without RSS it's crippled, at least for my usage.

Icaras
Jul 25, 2012, 06:14 PM
In general, the reception has been positive amongst reviewers (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/25/roundup-of-os-x-mountain-lion-reviews-faster-and-smoother-incremental-bargain-at-twice-the-price/), especially given the $19.99 price tag.

And the haters and nitpickers continue to look past this part. For the super low price tag, and relatively rapid development time since Lion, I think this is a worthy refinement of last year's OS.

Asclepio
Jul 25, 2012, 06:16 PM
they only changed the wallpaper! propaganda, propaganda!

Windlasher
Jul 25, 2012, 06:20 PM
I have an early 2008 iMac and wow I've noticed an increase in speed that I haven't seen since Leopard that was original installed on my iMac. Snow Leopard was quick too but Lion was pretty sluggish. I can't get over how fast Sarfari is now too, super quick! Good job Apple. :)

For $20 Mountain Lion is 100% worth it.

yeah... lion dragged ass on my 8 core mac pro tower with 16gb of memory.

this seems to be quite nicely done and speedy.

NOW - if they would only put back the ability to search network drives... ill be happy.

sachisme
Jul 25, 2012, 06:22 PM
After using 10.8 for 2 weeks, I have to say, glad I didn't pay $19.99.

Why do you say so? I'm on the fence about upgrading. I have a early 2009 MBP machine with 2GB RAM and I loved SL every single time i used it.

my system almost died (slow and often beach ball) after I upgraded to Lion, so much so that I use Windows 7 pretty much all the time. I'm hoping that ML will bring me back to MAC OS which I loved but scared that it might not give me any improvement in stability or speed over Lion.

SamSmith
Jul 25, 2012, 06:22 PM
I have an early 2008 iMac and wow I've noticed an increase in speed that I haven't seen since Leopard that was original installed on my iMac. Snow Leopard was quick too but Lion was pretty sluggish. I can't get over how fast Sarfari is now too, super quick! Good job Apple. :)

For $20 Mountain Lion is 100% worth it.

I agree. Safari sure does feel snappier :D

frunkis54
Jul 25, 2012, 06:24 PM
I agree. Safari sure does feel snappier :cool:

never gets old....

Jperkinski
Jul 25, 2012, 06:25 PM
That facebook icon is not showing up in my settings...

I am having the same experience. I noticed in the video that the Facebook option was right there with Twitter, Gmail etc., but on my machine I don't see a Facebook option. Everything else appears to be there.

thelonelylimo
Jul 25, 2012, 06:32 PM
That's an old video since it shows Facebook integration built in. I think it's still in dev. stage.

the Apple TV at 4:21 is using the previous UI.

orfeas0
Jul 25, 2012, 06:32 PM
Does airplay only allow mirroring?
Can't you use a 2nd screen wirelessly as an expansion of your screen instead of mirroring?

Also, the new tab view of safari seems awesome ;) But apple keeps adding new multi-touch gestures and I wonder if they will work well together...

F4C4
Jul 25, 2012, 06:33 PM
they only changed the wallpaper! propaganda, propaganda!

I am officially down voting this!

floz
Jul 25, 2012, 06:37 PM
Amazing MacBook Air they must be using. Check out the magic trackpad action at 2m44s into the video (http://youtu.be/j5BRsh8Dwgg?t=2m44s) . . .

Gemütlichkeit
Jul 25, 2012, 06:40 PM
Still not able to stop Message alerts to the phone when using the app in Mountain Lion? :-/

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Amazing MacBook Air they must be using. Check out the magic trackpad action at 2m44s into the video (http://youtu.be/j5BRsh8Dwgg?t=2m44s) . . .

What are you talking about? that's how it works, you start from the right of the track pad and swipe left.

tomyboy96
Jul 25, 2012, 06:48 PM
for everybody that is wondering about the Facebook Integration :)

http://www.cultofmac.com/180818/reminder-facebook-integration-isnt-coming-in-mountain-lion-until-fall/

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I am having the same experience. I noticed in the video that the Facebook option was right there with Twitter, Gmail etc., but on my machine I don't see a Facebook option. Everything else appears to be there.

http://www.cultofmac.com/180818/reminder-facebook-integration-isnt-coming-in-mountain-lion-until-fall/

Nermal
Jul 25, 2012, 06:49 PM
What are you talking about? that's how it works, you start from the right of the track pad and swipe left.

Or, in this case, you start with your fingers right off the edge of the pad and the screen still scrolls ;)

Michaelgtrusa
Jul 25, 2012, 06:51 PM
Still dl.

milo
Jul 25, 2012, 06:57 PM
The launch, however, has resulted in the removal (http://www.macworld.com/article/1167879/apple_pulls_lion_from_the_mac_app_store.html) of OS X Lion from the Mac App Store. While this isn't too big a surprise, it could leave some owners of older Macs stuck if their Mac isn't supported by OS X Mountain Lion but were supported by OS X Lion.

How was it not a surprise? How would mac users expect that it would be pulled, particularly since ML doesn't run on some machines?

Nermal
Jul 25, 2012, 07:00 PM
How was it not a surprise? How would mac users expect that it would be pulled, particularly since ML doesn't run on some machines?

It's not a surprise because Apple has discontinued every previous version of OS X once a new one has been released. The only exception that I'm aware of was 10.6, as it was a prerequisite for 10.7.

Ballis
Jul 25, 2012, 07:02 PM
facebook isnt coming untill fall

Jperkinski
Jul 25, 2012, 07:02 PM
Is display mirroring not available on all machines?
I have an iMac 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and I can't seem to get it to Airplay/mirror to either of my Apple TV's.

My iPad does this without problems.

Bevz
Jul 25, 2012, 07:11 PM
Just finished installing on my iMac; have dropped the installer on an SD card and am now installing on my laptop.

Seems nice so far; it's quicker and feels very smooth and solid. Fantastic for the price :)

However, bit surprised by the lack of support for Airplay mirroring for a Mid-2010 iMac! :(

blacktape242
Jul 25, 2012, 07:12 PM
only took about 30 mins to upgrade and i must say it went much better then lion did for me. im a happy camper! :)

milo
Jul 25, 2012, 07:13 PM
It's not a surprise because Apple has discontinued every previous version of OS X once a new one has been released. The only exception that I'm aware of was 10.6, as it was a prerequisite for 10.7.

Not true. Earlier versions may have been harder to find but they were still available from Apple.

invalidpath
Jul 25, 2012, 07:17 PM
One big hiccup for a lot of folks I know is installing the cmd line tools without a pay developer account. Apple was nice enough to provide me with a link to the dmg, however I had to install it manually from terminal (individual package files) since the package itself looks for 10.7 only and won't install on 10.8. You could also make symbolic links to the versions of the tools within XCode.app itself, but this is much easier. Here's what I got from the Apple Dev Center:


Re: Xcode

Hello XXX,

Thank you for taking the time to speak to me regarding the Xcode issue you are experiencing.

I can confirm that there is an error when attempting to download Command Line Tools for OS X 10.8 through Xcode. For now, the work-around is to go to the download site and download it from there. The URL is below:

https://developer.apple.com/downloads/index.action?name=Xcode

I apologize for the issues you experienced.

Best regards,

Eduardo
Apple Developer Program Support


Hope this helps some folks.....

Jynto
Jul 25, 2012, 07:25 PM
Well that was something.

Now bring on OS X 10.9! :D

ayala421
Jul 25, 2012, 07:36 PM
mountain lion didn't install any new wallpapers for me...anyone else this happen?

Nermal
Jul 25, 2012, 07:36 PM
Not true. Earlier versions may have been harder to find but they were still available from Apple.

I believe that you had to call Apple and explicitly ask for them; they weren't listed on the site. Presumably it's the same for 10.7 now.

daneoni
Jul 25, 2012, 07:37 PM
Why do you say so? I'm on the fence about upgrading. I have a early 2009 MBP machine with 2GB RAM and I loved SL every single time i used it.

my system almost died (slow and often beach ball) after I upgraded to Lion, so much so that I use Windows 7 pretty much all the time. I'm hoping that ML will bring me back to MAC OS which I loved but scared that it might not give me any improvement in stability or speed over Lion.

I would at least upgrade RAM to 4GB. 2GB should only be used with Tiger or Leopard. Mountain Lion is superior to Lion hands down. There is simply no debating that.

If you can't upgrade your RAM then i suggest downgrading to Snow Leopard for a better experience.

After using 10.8 for 2 weeks, I have to say, glad I didn't pay $19.99.

$20 is that difficult to cough up and justify to you for an OS upgrade? *shakes head*

tonydickinson
Jul 25, 2012, 07:40 PM
Wow - thanks Apple what a big difference, so much faster than Lion, quick to download and install, took all of 40 minutes from start to finish.

Its slick and is what Lion should have been 12 months ago.

Happy Happy Happy.

Yamcha
Jul 25, 2012, 07:40 PM
So far very pleased with Mountain Lion, totally worth the upgrade..

Bevz
Jul 25, 2012, 07:41 PM
Aww... I kinda miss "Software Update" ;) RIP

28Gauge
Jul 25, 2012, 07:44 PM
mountain lion didn't install any new wallpapers for me...anyone else this happen?

No new ones for me. I figured that they would add a Mountain Lion wallpaper. The old Lion wallpaper is still there. I am upset that my Fliqlo clock screensaver doesn't work anymore.

Mackan
Jul 25, 2012, 07:46 PM
The removal of Lion makes no sense. People who want it should torrent it?

Gemütlichkeit
Jul 25, 2012, 07:48 PM
The removal of Lion makes no sense. People who want it should torrent it?

It's dumb I'll give you that, but I can't see any reason not to upgrade unless there really is some bit of stoneage software that can't run on your machine.

cerote
Jul 25, 2012, 07:48 PM
It's not a surprise because Apple has discontinued every previous version of OS X once a new one has been released. The only exception that I'm aware of was 10.6, as it was a prerequisite for 10.7.

Before I left for work Lion was still in my purchased list. Didn't try to download it but if it was pulled how come it is still in my purchase list? (Note: I have not bought ML yet. And yes a real question not a sarcasm statement.)

Baytriple
Jul 25, 2012, 07:55 PM
It's work great in my Mac Pro 2,1. And yes I must agree that safari is defiantly snappier.

hamkor04
Jul 25, 2012, 07:57 PM
disappointed there is no Air Play mirroring support for my freaking 2.5k MBP 2010 17
and everywhere "like" buttons, soon we will realise, how life was simpler and nicer without Facebook

DerekRod
Jul 25, 2012, 07:59 PM
Mountain Lion finally cured my beach ball curse.Only thing I cant seem to get to work is the multi-device tab syncing on safari

daneoni
Jul 25, 2012, 07:59 PM
Before I left for work Lion was still in my purchased list. Didn't try to download it but if it was pulled how come it is still in my purchase list? (Note: I have not bought ML yet. And yes a real question not a sarcasm statement.)

Because you previously paid for it and are still entitled to your purchase. Apple can't legally yank a purchased piece of software from you even if obsolete.

However no one can buy it anymore from the MAS. You'll be forwarded to the ML landing page instead.

Daysight
Jul 25, 2012, 08:00 PM
I'm happy. Very easy first day download/install, and loving notifications. Onward and upward, back to work.

Loyalty4Life
Jul 25, 2012, 08:07 PM
I have a quick question that I hope someone can answer for me. :-) I tried searching on Google, but could not find the answer. Does the DM G installation file gets saved to your downloads folder, to the desktop, or somewhere else? Thanks. :-)

chaosconan
Jul 25, 2012, 08:07 PM
They need to separate iTunes U and make it a dedicated app on OSX just like they did on iOS and create iBooks for OSX

My WishList
1. iBooks for OSX
2. iTunes U App for OSX
3. Bring back iDisk but on iCloud for those that purchased extra storage.

daneoni
Jul 25, 2012, 08:08 PM
I have a quick question that I hope someone can answer for me. :-) I tried searching on Google, but could not find the answer. Does the DM G installation file gets saved to your downloads folder, to the desktop, or somewhere else? Thanks. :-)

/HDD/Applications

PlayfullyEvil
Jul 25, 2012, 08:10 PM
After using 10.8 for 2 weeks, I have to say, glad I didn't pay $19.99.
$20 is that difficult to cough up and justify to you for an OS upgrade? *shakes head*


I believe stukick meant to say this:
After using [Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade] for 2 weeks, I have to say, glad I didn't pay $179.99.

Unless stukick would have rather spent $179.99 for a Vista-to-Win7 upgrade then the $19.99 for the Lion-to-ML upgrade? (I know, it doesn't make sense; unless of course, you'd be a Microsoft fanboy.)

Seriously, though, ML is worth the upgrade value. What cheap bastard would splurge on a Mac but not on a well priced OS upgrade? Admittedly, I too downloaded the GM but saw great value in it worthy of paying for the OS upgrade.

Gemütlichkeit
Jul 25, 2012, 08:11 PM
I have events tomorrow in Calendar that aren't showing up in notification, hmm.

KALLT
Jul 25, 2012, 08:16 PM
Mountain Lion finally cured my beach ball curse.Only thing I cant seem to get to work is the multi-device tab syncing on safari

I was wondering about that as well. Apple conveniently hid it in a footnote on their features overview. Unsurprisingly, it depends on iOS 6.

Loyalty4Life
Jul 25, 2012, 08:22 PM
/HDD/Applications

Thanks. So that's where the actual dmg install file will be? I'm just needing to find it to transfer from another computer to mine as I'm going to mod it for my 2006 Mac Pro. :-)

daneoni
Jul 25, 2012, 08:28 PM
Thats where the App store downloads the installation package to.

alchemistmuffin
Jul 25, 2012, 08:45 PM
You've answered my question.

I had read (in disbelief) that 10.8.x would not support RSS. A decision I find rather curious, and quite disappointing. I had planned on giving Safari another try, since I haven't used it much lately. But without RSS it's crippled, at least for my usage.

You don't need it. In fact, nobody used the RSS feature on Safari or Mail, and thank god Apple god rid of another junk features that 99.99% of the users don't use.

If you need it, there's an app for that, called Reeder. Check it out.

sum1
Jul 25, 2012, 08:48 PM
Mountain lion removed my parallels 6.0. Any idea for a fix to run parallels 6 on mountain lion?

Jperkinski
Jul 25, 2012, 08:51 PM
Mountain lion removed my parallels 6.0. Any idea for a fix to run parallels 6 on mountain lion?

Free update to the latest version of 7 if you have Parallels 7 already. I'm not sure if 6 is supported or not.

http://www.parallels.com/download/desktop/

I was able to quickly and easily update to the latest version of 7 from an older 7 and it works great so far.

greytmom
Jul 25, 2012, 08:53 PM
Mountain lion removed my parallels 6.0. Any idea for a fix to run parallels 6 on mountain lion?

Upgrade to Parallels 7? Mine is working fine on ML.

ayala421
Jul 25, 2012, 09:02 PM
No new ones for me. I figured that they would add a Mountain Lion wallpaper. The old Lion wallpaper is still there. I am upset that my Fliqlo clock screensaver doesn't work anymore.

I concur, my Fliqlo doesnt work either.

So can anyone else chime in about the wallpapers...

vpro
Jul 25, 2012, 09:03 PM
And the haters and nitpickers continue to look past this part. For the super low price tag, and relatively rapid development time since Lion, I think this is a worthy refinement of last year's OS.

There are more new OS's coming out the rear end than there are good stuff going in the mouth. Everything is eared towards the gear headz with all those devices, every device has to have the same thing all at the same time = sooooo control freaky yeah?? I don't know anyone who gets much done at all these days with all that stuff in all those gearz?!

I just want simple, i don't want any of the bells n whistles, faces book, reminders, email pop up stuff, I can multi-task just fine without the computer's OS helping me. Stability and speed and take up as little resources as possible please n thanks.

beez1717
Jul 25, 2012, 09:11 PM
I still cannot believe that I submitted my up to date request this morning and I STILL have not gotten my code.... What's up apple?

onigami
Jul 25, 2012, 09:13 PM
Um, this may have been forgotten in the news today, but Snow Leopard is no longer for sale on Apple website. I repeat, Snow Leopard is no longer for sale. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software/apple?n=osx

brownpaw
Jul 25, 2012, 09:17 PM
My biggest problem is that I can read about all of these new features all day, but I can't find half of them! They're either hidden, so automatic that you don't know it's working, or just otherwise hard to find.

Drew017
Jul 25, 2012, 09:19 PM
Um, this may have been forgotten in the news today, but Snow Leopard is no longer for sale on Apple website. I repeat, Snow Leopard is no longer for sale. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software/apple?n=osx

You're right! It's gone!

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I think Mountain Lion is one of Apple's best updates. It runs (at least on my mac :D) better than Snow leopard did, and is much more stable than Lion was. I'm really glad I made the purchase and I definitely think it was worth it!

chaosconan
Jul 25, 2012, 09:23 PM
Mountain lion removed my parallels 6.0. Any idea for a fix to run parallels 6 on mountain lion?

I upgraded to parallels 7 and not having any problems!

Greg M
Jul 25, 2012, 09:30 PM
I still cannot believe that I submitted my up to date request this morning and I STILL have not gotten my code.... What's up apple?

I got the "this code has already been used" error. Then the response I got to my email about it was just a rehash of the directions.

I gave up and purchased it. Next week I'll call in and try to get reimbursed.

scbrain
Jul 25, 2012, 09:30 PM
On 10.7, I had my screensaver set to choose photos at random from my large (220 GB) collection. The photos were arranged in the following way:

[Photos]

[2001 Photos]

[January 1 - Event 1]
[January 4 - Event 2]

[2002 Photos]

[January 2 - Event 1]

And so on.

10.7 and before handled this just fine, but 10.8 will not - I have to choose a folder containing only photos. That is, unless I choose one of my "event" folders, the screen saver won't recognize the folder - making for a monotonous screen saver, consisting of photos drawn from only one event. Is there any way to force the computer to recognize groups of folders, rather than just one?

terryzx
Jul 25, 2012, 10:19 PM
Anyone know how to get XMARKS working again now?
This update has ruined all my bookmark settings that I had the way I wanted it with XMARKS :mad:

talmy
Jul 25, 2012, 10:29 PM
Because you previously paid for it and are still entitled to your purchase. Apple can't legally yank a purchased piece of software from you even if obsolete.


Yes they can! I purchased iMovie '11 early last year. Then early this year an upgrade made it Lion-only. I could no longer download the original from the Mac App Store for my Snow Leopard machine. An email from Apple stated: "Apple is not response for the loss of any purchases or the loss of the ability to update an older app version. We encourage customers to back up their hard disks regularly. If an item needs to be replaced, you can restore your purchases from the backup and avoid the need to purchase replacement copies of titles from your collection. That is why we strongly recommend customers back up their purchases on a regular basis." Note also that their solution was to upgrade to Lion!

thekb
Jul 25, 2012, 10:32 PM
I've seen several people say that Airplay mirroring only works with newest (2012) machines. This was the single feature I was looking forward to with Mountain Lion. I have a 2011 iMac (the current generation). Does Airplay mirroring work with the current iMacs? (entry level 27 inch, 2.7 ghz, i5)

It seems very arbitrary that Apple would cripple this feature to all but the newest machines. Clearly there is no technological reason for it.

daneoni
Jul 25, 2012, 10:34 PM
Yes they can! I purchased iMovie '11 early last year. Then early this year an upgrade made it Lion-only. I could no longer download the original from the Mac App Store for my Snow Leopard machine. An email from Apple stated: "Apple is not response for the loss of any purchases or the loss of the ability to update an older app version. We encourage customers to back up their hard disks regularly. If an item needs to be replaced, you can restore your purchases from the backup and avoid the need to purchase replacement copies of titles from your collection. That is why we strongly recommend customers back up their purchases on a regular basis." Note also that their solution was to upgrade to Lion!

Well i stand corrected.

Booch21
Jul 25, 2012, 10:36 PM
mountain lion didn't install any new wallpapers for me...anyone else this happen?

Nope, same wallpaper. Everything was fine after upgrade, although I didn't get Parallels upgraded beforehand. I dl'ed the update after with no issues.

clcnyc
Jul 25, 2012, 10:42 PM
I upgraded today, and it's great, but a few hiccups:

I can't get Mail notifications working. I've tried everything. Toggling on and off, having mail open, closing it, etc. Everything seems to be updated, but every time I send myself a test email, no notification. What gives? Anyone else having this problem?

Predator69
Jul 25, 2012, 11:08 PM
Does the free upgrade only eligible in US?

I bought the Mac after June 11 2012 and I am suppose to be eligible right ?

iSee
Jul 25, 2012, 11:14 PM
My Favorite feature of ML so far (and completely unexpected):

My MBA (11" 2011) now wakes from sleep almost instantly -- the screen comes on in less than a second and is immediately responsive. Before ML, the screen would come on quickly, but the system was frozen for roughly 5 sec. It's surprising how much of a difference those few seconds make. It feels so much nicer now... I don't want to ever go back!

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I've seen several people say that Airplay mirroring only works with newest (2012) machines. This was the single feature I was looking forward to with Mountain Lion. I have a 2011 iMac (the current generation). Does Airplay mirroring work with the current iMacs? (entry level 27 inch, 2.7 ghz, i5)

It seems very arbitrary that Apple would cripple this feature to all but the newest machines. Clearly there is no technological reason for it.

I have a 2011 MBA and it's working fine for me.

Iron666Maiden
Jul 25, 2012, 11:19 PM
Are you kidding me? My MBP sits on my desk while I mix records in ProTools on my MacPro all day... Maybe I should've looked into this before i upgraded the MBP but one of its principle uses was displaying the RSS screensaver so I could keep up with the news as I work! Why the hell would they take away such a basic piece of functionality?!?!?!?!

bfreecity
Jul 25, 2012, 11:20 PM
I can't get any notifications so far. Not sure if I'm missing something simple. The icon in the top right is greyed out and when I swipe into notifications, there's nothing there. Went into System Pref but couldn't find anything of use. Any ideas?

matrix07
Jul 25, 2012, 11:34 PM
I have an early 2008 iMac and wow I've noticed an increase in speed that I haven't seen since Leopard that was original installed on my iMac. Snow Leopard was quick too but Lion was pretty sluggish. I can't get over how fast Sarfari is now too, super quick! Good job Apple. :)

For $20 Mountain Lion is 100% worth it.

Do you install it on top of Lion or fresh install?

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Update: Nevermind. Seems like people who already purchased it can still redownload it!

How about people who got Lion from purchasing Mac?

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Another thing I like about Mountain Lion is that now it doesn't "auto save" and there seems to be less of a focus on the "Resume" feature.

Wow! Really? No autosave? I don't upgrade then.

matrix07
Jul 25, 2012, 11:48 PM
You're right! It's gone!

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I think Mountain Lion is one of Apple's best updates. It runs (at least on my mac :D) better than Snow leopard did, and is much more stable than Lion was. I'm really glad I made the purchase and I definitely think it was worth it!

Again, do you install it on top of Lion or fresh install?

DrumApple
Jul 26, 2012, 12:06 AM
How nice. I never got past the "Mountain Lion OS is not compatible with your computer". I'm SO SORRY, Apple, that I keep my computers for 6+ years. My mid 2006 MBP is just too old to support anymore huh? Wow, what great longevity of your products. Why don't you just implant a self-destruct chip so that the $2k laptop just implodes after a year so you have to buy a new model.

Windows, Papa is comin' home after a brief affair for 6 years.

Apple is going downhill fast. Who the hell uses all this iCrap software?Kindergartners? It's useless junk.

srazz
Jul 26, 2012, 12:30 AM
Windows, Papa is comin' home after a brief affair for 6 years.

Apple is going downhill fast. Who the hell uses all this iCrap software?Kindergartners? It's useless junk.

Really?? Since when have you seen a PC go thru a few OS upgrades and still work. Not me. Prior to Apple, my PCs would last for a year maybe 2 years. Then, time for a new one.

Sekelani
Jul 26, 2012, 12:33 AM
I installed mountain lion on my MacBook 2011( early version) it took an hour with fast Internet connection. Still need to see how it works.

Xtremehkr
Jul 26, 2012, 12:35 AM
Mountain Lion has made huge improvements to how Safari handles Flash, especially when playing YouTube content in full screen at 1080P, it's so much smoother than it ever has been.

I initially had some issues logging into websites with Safari but running the ML Beta version of Onyx cleaned that up quickly.

I can't wait for iOS 6 to see all of the new integration Apple has made there.

This is the first time since SL that I've thought they've perfected their OS, it will be hard to upgrade from ML for fear of losing the speed and smoothness in performance.

Peace
Jul 26, 2012, 12:40 AM
So.....

It's safe to say today has been the typical frantic time when a new version is released.

Good to know some things never change.

;)

coolparty
Jul 26, 2012, 12:56 AM
Interesting to see that the Game Centre STILL looks like it was designed by a PC. Come on Apple. :confused:

Moshe1010
Jul 26, 2012, 01:02 AM
Mountain Lion has made huge improvements to how Safari handles Flash, especially when playing YouTube content in full screen at 1080P, it's so much smoother than it ever has been.

I initially had some issues logging into websites with Safari but running the ML Beta version of Onyx cleaned that up quickly.

I can't wait for iOS 6 to see all of the new integration Apple has made there.

This is the first time since SL that I've thought they've perfected their OS, it will be hard to upgrade from ML for fear of losing the speed and smoothness in performance.

Chrome > Firefox > Safari

eXan
Jul 26, 2012, 01:03 AM
Does the free upgrade only eligible in US?

I bought the Mac after June 11 2012 and I am suppose to be eligible right ?

I'm in Russia and I did receive the upgrade code for Lion last year. I scanned my iMac purchase receipt and sent it to Apple, all according to instruction.

So i assume its no different for ML ^_^

Moshe1010
Jul 26, 2012, 01:07 AM
Really?? Since when have you seen a PC go thru a few OS upgrades and still work. Not me. Prior to Apple, my PCs would last for a year maybe 2 years. Then, time for a new one.

If your system was running Windows XP SP3 or Windows Vista, you can upgrade to windows 7. To put it in time perspective, it's about 8 years. Windows will never prevent you from installing its system. If your computer is weak, it will be laggy, and you'll need to upgrade some hardware/buy a new computer.

jmull
Jul 26, 2012, 01:11 AM
This should be a free update.

It looks like they just took some features from the iPhone and put them on the mac. And also, I have been enjoying all the new features of Safari by using Chrome for quiet a while now. As for iCloud, I'm also already getting those "cloud" functions and more by using Evernote, Chrome, and Dropbox. Nothing new besides those things mainly? If I'm missing something new and dramatic please tell me. I think that my prediction that since the great visionary and artist Steve Jobs is gone Apple will gradually lose their mojo. I sincerely hope they don't.

This should be a free update.

:(

brdeveloper
Jul 26, 2012, 01:11 AM
Really?? Since when have you seen a PC go thru a few OS upgrades and still work. Not me. Prior to Apple, my PCs would last for a year maybe 2 years. Then, time for a new one.

Windows 7 Basic runs as fast as XP so it could probably be installed on a 2002 PC, although Windows XP can run most Windows recent apps. On the Mac side, we couldn't speak the same about a 10-years-old OSX.

Xtremehkr
Jul 26, 2012, 01:15 AM
Chrome > Firefox > Safari

I like Safari, Chrome is a close second, Safari works well for me. Apple has made some huge improvements to it. I find it's more consistent recently. It used to really bug me when I'd update Safari and find that the new build broke everything I'd added to it. Now updating is a more seamless process, nothing broke this time, and several things got better.

I'm sure Chrome will adapt, I love how much competition amongst the browsers has improved them. Ideally I'd like to see equal market share across all of the browsers so that it required major innovations for any one companies browser to steal market share from other companies.

Firefox needs to catch up a little bit, they're starting to wane and I don't like it. No sir.

class77
Jul 26, 2012, 01:23 AM
I've seen several people say that Airplay mirroring only works with newest (2012) machines. This was the single feature I was looking forward to with Mountain Lion. I have a 2011 iMac (the current generation). Does Airplay mirroring work with the current iMacs? (entry level 27 inch, 2.7 ghz, i5)

It seems very arbitrary that Apple would cripple this feature to all but the newest machines. Clearly there is no technological reason for it.

Yes, I believe Airplay works with 2011 & 2012 machines, but not 2010 Mac:mad:

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Wow! Really? No autosave? I don't upgrade then.

I believe you can turn on autosave in preferences, but it's not on by default.

Hastings101
Jul 26, 2012, 01:29 AM
I'm liking Mountain Lion so far, which is more than I can say for Lion after a day of use. So far it's much faster than Snow Leopard/Lion and the memory management is actually working properly! No more hogging inactive memory and then refusing to let go of it :). Nice job Apple.

Michaelgtrusa
Jul 26, 2012, 01:33 AM
Safari speed is a shocker to sat the least. I like notes and reminders a lot here. It took some 5 hours to dl and around 30 min to install.

Fresh Pie
Jul 26, 2012, 02:32 AM
Another thing I like about Mountain Lion is that now it doesn't "auto save" and there seems to be less of a focus on the "Resume" feature.

100% agreed. It bugged the hell out of me that Lion adopted many iOS features, yet the most annoying features—like resume and autosave—are barely present in iOS itself. It's like they invented entirely new, irritating features. However, I did love how Lion introduced an amazing approach to fullscreen apps. </rant>

ekdor
Jul 26, 2012, 02:42 AM
I have had endless trouble with Mountain Lion. Endless OS related apps freezing. Third-party ones seem to be ok strangely.

JGRE
Jul 26, 2012, 02:50 AM
Just installed ML last night and cannot connect to the internet via WiFi. Cable works fine, WiFi refuses. Strange enough, utorrent has no problem accessing the internet while my MBP is on WiFi.

Never had any issues with any Apple product getting connected, feels I am back on MS Windows.......not a nice feeling.

Rest seems to work fine, except "back to the mac" will not configure and I have a strange black square following my pointer.:confused:

BvizioN
Jul 26, 2012, 03:10 AM
How nice. I never got past the "Mountain Lion OS is not compatible with your computer". I'm SO SORRY, Apple, that I keep my computers for 6+ years.

You have a 6 year old computer? Older then my daughter! :)

On a dark years when I used to use window PC's, my oldest computer used to be HP laptop, eventually it was so unusable that I was glad to replace it. Now honestly? 6 years old computer? You are asking here for a granny to ride the motorbike at 200ml/h :D

Russlush3
Jul 26, 2012, 03:23 AM
I upgraded today, and it's great, but a few hiccups:
I can't get Mail notifications working. I've tried everything. Toggling on and off, having mail open, closing it, etc. Everything seems to be updated, but every time I send myself a test email, no notification. What gives? Anyone else having this problem?

Same issue here, no Mail notifications, Calendar notifications work, but not Mail :/

I can't get any notifications so far. Not sure if I'm missing something simple. The icon in the top right is greyed out and when I swipe into notifications, there's nothing there. Went into System Pref but couldn't find anything of use. Any ideas?

If it is greyed out, you somehow disabled it, option+click the icon and it should turn black and start working.


My other thoughts:

-Can someone explain to me why Airplay Mirroring is only for machines purchased in the past year? this was one of the main features I was looking forward to. I honestly cannot comprehend how my iPhone can throw any video it plays to the apple TV, yet my iMac is restricted to iTunes. :confused:

-Also don't understand why they completely dropped RSS functionality, with the integration of tabs and reader (and documents) into iCloud, they had a golden opportunity to expand and sync RSS feeds across their devices, but instead they completely gave up? And for those who say it was useless, it was very useful to me as a scientist who relies on RSS to keep up to date on literature, my RSS feeds link me to websites (where I download the literature). It was easy to access rather than open up yet another program/window.

-"Save As" is back....*hallelujah*

-Weird that nearly every application crashed the first time I opened it (Mail, Notes, Reminders....) though has been fine since and in general pretty smooth.

Predator69
Jul 26, 2012, 03:44 AM
I'm in Russia and I did receive the upgrade code for Lion last year. I scanned my iMac purchase receipt and sent it to Apple, all according to instruction.

So i assume its no different for ML ^_^

Thank you eXan really appreciate your experience sharing. Its more than 24 hours now still I havent got the code through email.

kgo2o
Jul 26, 2012, 03:53 AM
Unfortunately my macbook pro is a pre 2008 model and not compatible with ML. I'll have to upgrade to a newer model but with rumors of macbook air's with retina coming sept/oct I think I'll continue to wait and hold out for that particular machine and manage for the time being with running Lion. I'm curious though, if ML if ported to a USB boot disc from a more modern mac would a pre 2008 machine be able to install the operating system? core 2 duo 2.1 with 3gb ram.

fullstop102
Jul 26, 2012, 04:09 AM
You don't need it. In fact, nobody used the RSS feature on Safari or Mail, and thank god Apple god rid of another junk features that 99.99% of the users don't use.

If you need it, there's an app for that, called Reeder. Check it out.

But Launcher is still there. and I bet more people used RSS than Launcher.

shmonkus
Jul 26, 2012, 04:18 AM
In the process of downloading now, however I do have a question - what happens if you have to reinstall? I have the late 2011 15" Macbook Pro; before I would connect to broadband and run internet recovery at boot. If I ran internet recovery at boot will that install Lion or Mountain lion? :confused:

the8thark
Jul 26, 2012, 04:44 AM
Another thing I like about Mountain Lion is that now it doesn't "auto save" and there seems to be less of a focus on the "Resume" feature.

I don't. I really liked those features in Lion.

smiddlehurst
Jul 26, 2012, 05:04 AM
-Can someone explain to me why Airplay Mirroring is only for machines purchased in the past year? this was one of the main features I was looking forward to. I honestly cannot comprehend how my iPhone can throw any video it plays to the apple TV, yet my iMac is restricted to iTunes. :confused:

It's a hardware requirement and it affects iOS devices just the same as it does OS X computers. Specifically (and someone correct me if I've got this wrong) AirPlay Mirroring requires a GPU that can handle on-chip H.264 encoding. That means 2011 hardware or later. On iOS I think you need either an iPhone 4S or an iPad 2 to access it (don't have an iPhone 4 handy to check but I think that was the cutoff).

Now you can do the necessary encoding work via CPU instead but this is a non-trivial operation. It's been a while since I looked this up but I seem to remember it's between 10 and 20% on modern systems. That cuts into battery life and, of course, needs more cooling so Apple have decided to go with the GPU option only, though there are third party apps that use the CPU on pre-2011 machines if you want to use them.

My understanding anyway, if anyone knows differently please correct.

doelcm82
Jul 26, 2012, 05:08 AM
Unfortunately my macbook pro is a pre 2008 model and not compatible with ML. I'll have to upgrade to a newer model but with rumors of macbook air's with retina coming sept/oct I think I'll continue to wait and hold out for that particular machine and manage for the time being with running Lion. I'm curious though, if ML if ported to a USB boot disc from a more modern mac would a pre 2008 machine be able to install the operating system? core 2 duo 2.1 with 3gb ram.

I wouldn't call rumors of a Retina MBA coming this year credible. More like wishful thinking. Don't build up your hopes for something so unlikely. Maybe a 13" Retina MBP (with a solid gold case, of course).

Apple, of course, has announced nothing specific, so if you do get disappointed, it's not Apple, but the Rumormongers who let you down.

Predator69
Jul 26, 2012, 05:15 AM
Apple is always not too quick on change right after 15 MBP Retina now the 13" MBA . need to ask those analyst if thats true.

lepaka
Jul 26, 2012, 05:40 AM
That facebook icon is not showing up in my settings...

Facebook is not yet integrated

there is a "plug-in" available only for developers. problably the OSX will be updated later on when the iOS6 comes out.

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I currently have the GM version is there any reason to download via the MacApp store?

no reason at all, the build number is the same, no chages were done

lepaka
Jul 26, 2012, 05:51 AM
Yes, I believe Airplay works with 2011 & 2012 machines, but not 2010 Mac:mad:

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I believe you can turn on autosave in preferences, but it's not on by default.

for long time that i dont see Lion, i dont remember what it worked the autosave in Lion, but in Mountain Lion you have the "Revert", this will give you a chance to go back in the several diferent document versions. you dont need to configure anything, it just does it :)

KnightWRX
Jul 26, 2012, 06:01 AM
Just installed ML last night and cannot connect to the internet via WiFi. Cable works fine, WiFi refuses. Strange enough, utorrent has no problem accessing the internet while my MBP is on WiFi.

Need more info. Do you get a connection to your AP ? Do you receive an IP from your DHCP ? Proper DNS configuration ? Default Gateway ?

miniroll32
Jul 26, 2012, 06:26 AM
Mountain Lion is everything that Lion should have been.

But I guess they saw a quick $19.99 by holding out...

Flunkyturtle
Jul 26, 2012, 06:39 AM
Really like it,

my only complaint is the dock, no longer the nice white lights to let you know the app your using, its not a weird white rectangle? can this be changed :(

eric_n_dfw
Jul 26, 2012, 06:41 AM
How nice. I never got past the "Mountain Lion OS is not compatible with your computer". I'm SO SORRY, Apple, that I keep my computers for 6+ years. My mid 2006 MBP is just too old to support anymore huh? Wow, what great longevity of your products. Why don't you just implant a self-destruct chip so that the $2k laptop just implodes after a year so you have to buy a new model.

Windows, Papa is comin' home after a brief affair for 6 years.

Apple is going downhill fast. Who the hell uses all this iCrap software?Kindergartners? It's useless junk.
It's not like we werent warned: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/11/os-x-mountain-lion-officially-drops-suport-for-some-older-64-bit-macs/

Annoying, yes, but hardly evidence of some war by Apple on those of us with 6 year old machines. No 64 bit drivers exist for the video cards and ML doesn't support the 32 bit drivers. Oh well.

I'll happily continue to use Snow Leopard until I find it nessesary to buy a newer machine, it's not like the release of 10.8 somehow made my machine any less useful!

And what does your comment about the iApps have to do with 10.8? I find them quite nice, espessialy considering how cheap they are.

oxfordguy
Jul 26, 2012, 06:48 AM
Hi - I don't suppose anyone knows if the Mountain Lion release contains a fix for the 2012 MBA i7 Turbo Boost issue under Windows (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1392041)? I'm assuming not, as guess this might need a firmware patch, but was just wondering...

Manic Mouse
Jul 26, 2012, 06:56 AM
How nice. I never got past the "Mountain Lion OS is not compatible with your computer". I'm SO SORRY, Apple, that I keep my computers for 6+ years. My mid 2006 MBP is just too old to support anymore huh? Wow, what great longevity of your products. Why don't you just implant a self-destruct chip so that the $2k laptop just implodes after a year so you have to buy a new model.

Windows, Papa is comin' home after a brief affair for 6 years.

Apple is going downhill fast. Who the hell uses all this iCrap software?Kindergartners? It's useless junk.

Your laptop still functions fine over six years later and has received three major OS updates.

As far as computers go that's a pretty good innings - the average lifespan is 2.5-3 years. Do you expect a computer to be up to date for 10 years or something?

pubwvj
Jul 26, 2012, 07:04 AM
the removal of OS X Lion from the Mac App Store. While this isn't too big a surprise, it could leave some owners of older Macs stuck if their Mac isn't supported by OS X Mountain Lion but were supported by OS X Lion.

That is a very nasty, environmentally unfriendly, non-green move by Apple. They need to fully support older computers back 20 years. To stop supporting computers that are only a few years old (e.g., can't run MtnLion but could run Lion) is horribly wasteful of resources.

Remember:
Use
Reuse
Recycle

It is far better to REUSE rather than recycle. Older computers can be passed down or sold to others who can't afford the latest and greatest.

Bad Apple at the core.

DakotaGuy
Jul 26, 2012, 07:09 AM
How was it not a surprise? How would mac users expect that it would be pulled, particularly since ML doesn't run on some machines?

So let's say a user is running Snow Leopard on a Mac that will support Lion, but doesn't support Mountain Lion are they stuck on Snow Leopard forever if they haven't already purchased Lion in the past? If that is true that sort of stinks for those people, however Apple has found another way to sell them a new computer.

I guess they might be able to find a USB jump drive version of Lion on eBay, but you can see where Apple is heading on this one. With the USB drive version going away in the future it opens a new market for selling new computers.

chaosconan
Jul 26, 2012, 07:11 AM
1. The display icon in the menubar that allows you to change the resolution is GONE.
2. Now they are displaying my username in the menubar.

How do I bring back the display icon and get rid of the username?

NOTE: The display icon that I'm referring to is the one that allows you to display between resolution immediately.

Banyan Bruce
Jul 26, 2012, 07:11 AM
If you are expecting to get Airplay Mirroring in Mountain Lion.....think again...check the very fine print. :rolleyes:

Apple have pulled another one out of the bag.
:mad:

4G ...what 4G. Airplay Mirroring...what airplay mirroring, only if you've got a very new Mac Book or iMac. Apple how can you be so brilliant and yet so inept at the same time ?

If Airparrot can get it to work fairly well and it works with iTunes on almost all platforms, then why not for all in ML. Where is Steve Jobs when you need him ?

canuckle
Jul 26, 2012, 07:14 AM
That is a very nasty, environmentally unfriendly, non-green move by Apple. They need to fully support older computers back 20 years. To stop supporting computers that are only a few years old (e.g., can't run MtnLion but could run Lion) is horribly wasteful of resources.

Remember:
Use
Reuse
Recycle

It is far better to REUSE rather than recycle. Older computers can be passed down or sold to others who can't afford the latest and greatest.

Bad Apple at the core.

Apparently the comedy festival is in town, that is hilarious. It's an OS update, and computer tech is advancing rapidly...would you expect a 10 year old cell phone to run iOS? Have another drink.

eric_n_dfw
Jul 26, 2012, 07:14 AM
That is a very nasty, environmentally unfriendly, non-green move by Apple. They need to fully support older computers back 20 years. To stop supporting computers that are only a few years old (e.g., can't run MtnLion but could run Lion) is horribly wasteful of resources.

Remember:
Use
Reuse
Recycle

It is far better to REUSE rather than recycle. Older computers can be passed down or sold to others who can't afford the latest and greatest.

Bad Apple at the core.
Agreed, (although 20 years is a but of a stretch), I have old machines still doing work as print and file serving such as a PowerMac G4 Dual 500Mhz and they work just fine.

That being said, it's not like Apple puts timers in their OS to self destruct after a finite number of years. People seem to think that upgrading to the latest OS is a mandate... It's not, old machines keep working on older OS's just fine.

Apple is a hardware company and their OS is tightly coupled to their products, that's why we buy Mac's. If they had to keep 20 years of backward compatibly it would have the same bloat and stability problems that Windows often has. (I actually am amazed at how well Windows works, given the compatibility nightmares their engineers have to deal with.)


The only negative is that a minority of new applications require libraries that only exist in newer OS versions.

Russlush3
Jul 26, 2012, 07:17 AM
It's a hardware requirement and it affects iOS devices just the same as it does OS X computers. Specifically (and someone correct me if I've got this wrong) AirPlay Mirroring requires a GPU that can handle on-chip H.264 encoding. That means 2011 hardware or later. On iOS I think you need either an iPhone 4S or an iPad 2 to access it (don't have an iPhone 4 handy to check but I think that was the cutoff).

Now you can do the necessary encoding work via CPU instead but this is a non-trivial operation. It's been a while since I looked this up but I seem to remember it's between 10 and 20% on modern systems. That cuts into battery life and, of course, needs more cooling so Apple have decided to go with the GPU option only, though there are third party apps that use the CPU on pre-2011 machines if you want to use them.

My understanding anyway, if anyone knows differently please correct.

Thanks, obviously I know basically nothing about GPUs, just conceptually it's hard to accept, the GPU on my late 2009 iMac (and others up to mid 2011) can support playing video on the 1920x1080 built-in screen (2+ million pixels) while the GPU for the iPhone 4S is designed for the 960x640 screen (600k pixels or a 3.5x difference). Even if it did use the CPU, obviously iMac users aren't worrying about battery life.....

Just a scary thought that the standard quo will become any computers older than 1 year are considered outdated and inadequate, as people have noted before, these are not a couple hundred dollar smart phones, these are multi k computers.

KnightWRX
Jul 26, 2012, 07:18 AM
Hi - I don't suppose anyone knows if the Mountain Lion release contains a fix for the 2012 MBA i7 Turbo Boost issue under Windows (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1392041)? I'm assuming not, as guess this might need a firmware patch, but was just wondering...

An OS update cannot fix problems with another OS that runs completely seperately.

Banyan Bruce
Jul 26, 2012, 07:22 AM
[QUOTE=orfeas0;15328045]Does airplay only allow mirroring?

Only available on a selected number of new Mac Book Pros and iMacs. ML purchasers beware. Apple pulled a fast one here. Airplay mirroring NOT available for all ML compatible Macs. :mad:

KnightWRX
Jul 26, 2012, 07:27 AM
That is a very nasty, environmentally unfriendly, non-green move by Apple. They need to fully support older computers back 20 years. To stop supporting computers that are only a few years old (e.g., can't run MtnLion but could run Lion) is horribly wasteful of resources.

Remember:
Use
Reuse
Recycle

It is far better to REUSE rather than recycle. Older computers can be passed down or sold to others who can't afford the latest and greatest.

Bad Apple at the core.

A 1992 computer. Really. You're getting more disconnected with reality with each posts. A thing to consider : ML suddenly being released does not prevent older computers from working. They will keep working fine.

There is nothing bad about EOS and EOL from vendors. The open source community offers a greater length of support and so you can REUSE your older computers with open source software (I have a Sun Ultra 5 at home, runs BSD and Linux flawlessly if not the newer Solaris 10/11 releases).

Bad Apple ? Look, Apple isn't exactly into LTS or lengthy support, but they aren't doing anything actually bad here. You just have a huge disconnect with what it takes to support older systems.

Russlush3
Jul 26, 2012, 07:30 AM
It's a hardware requirement and it affects iOS devices just the same as it does OS X computers. Specifically (and someone correct me if I've got this wrong) AirPlay Mirroring requires a GPU that can handle on-chip H.264 encoding. That means 2011 hardware or later. On iOS I think you need either an iPhone 4S or an iPad 2 to access it (don't have an iPhone 4 handy to check but I think that was the cutoff).

Now you can do the necessary encoding work via CPU instead but this is a non-trivial operation. It's been a while since I looked this up but I seem to remember it's between 10 and 20% on modern systems. That cuts into battery life and, of course, needs more cooling so Apple have decided to go with the GPU option only, though there are third party apps that use the CPU on pre-2011 machines if you want to use them.

My understanding anyway, if anyone knows differently please correct.

And just remembered, iTunes can throw 1080 from older computers, so why not other video? I (and I'm sure many others) could care less about throwing my whole desktop on the TV (actually would be nice if it wasn't so friends didn't see the clutter it can sometimes have), just enable the video I am playing on it.

Pianoblack3
Jul 26, 2012, 07:30 AM
1. The display icon in the menubar that allows you to change the resolution is GONE.
2. Now they are displaying my username in the menubar.

How do I bring back the display icon and get rid of the username?

NOTE: The display icon that I'm referring to is the one that allows you to display between resolution immediately.

I sure Display's Pref pane should have a tick box for you to turn it on mate :-)

Jonze
Jul 26, 2012, 07:31 AM
Uh so if I ever have to reinstall Lion on a Mac that is unsupported by Mountain Lion I can't download it again although having paid for it?

Update: Nevermind. Seems like people who already purchased it can still redownload it!

You can still download, it shows in your purchased tab on the App Store.

kazmac
Jul 26, 2012, 07:44 AM
I'm going to wait a while before I upgrade for the kinks to be taken out etc.

I really do not need to wait since I've cut back on using software that is SL specific (and you can do screenshots in QT rather than needing a third party app now.), but it sounds like it much better than Lion was.

Pracht
Jul 26, 2012, 07:48 AM
Or, in this case, you start with your fingers right off the edge of the pad and the screen still scrolls ;)

You start off the trackpad and move onto it. The video zooms in before their hand gets onto the actual trackpad surface area.

chaosconan
Jul 26, 2012, 08:04 AM
I sure Display's Pref pane should have a tick box for you to turn it on mate :-)

Yeah, I checked that, but the option to display it on and off in the menubar is no longer there. :(

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How nice. I never got past the "Mountain Lion OS is not compatible with your computer". I'm SO SORRY, Apple, that I keep my computers for 6+ years. My mid 2006 MBP is just too old to support anymore huh? Wow, what great longevity of your products. Why don't you just implant a self-destruct chip so that the $2k laptop just implodes after a year so you have to buy a new model.

Windows, Papa is comin' home after a brief affair for 6 years.

Apple is going downhill fast. Who the hell uses all this iCrap software?Kindergartners? It's useless junk.

I downloaded windows 8 consumer beta and tried it out. OMG, this windows metro is so awful. I felt like everything was going backwards in time. I think windows 8's metra interface is going to be its downfall.

Stonefly
Jul 26, 2012, 08:19 AM
1. The display icon in the menubar that allows you to change the resolution is GONE.
2. Now they are displaying my username in the menubar.

How do I bring back the display icon and get rid of the username?

NOTE: The display icon that I'm referring to is the one that allows you to display between resolution immediately.


You can get rid of your username in menu bar in system preferences - users & groups - login options. You can select to to have the icon show or take the check out of the box (show fast user switching menu) to remove it.

349949

bigcat318
Jul 26, 2012, 08:22 AM
That is a very nasty, environmentally unfriendly, non-green move by Apple. They need to fully support older computers back 20 years. To stop supporting computers that are only a few years old (e.g., can't run MtnLion but could run Lion) is horribly wasteful of resources.


Im going to write a stern letter to Packard Bell that the computer we got in 1994 that had a 66mhz processor doesn't work with Windows 7.
:rolleyes:

chaosconan
Jul 26, 2012, 08:38 AM
You can get rid of your username in menu bar in system preferences - users & groups - login options. You can select to to have the icon show or take the check out of the box (show fast user switching menu) to remove it.

349949

Thanks so much! Now I just need my display icon with different resolutions back.

milo
Jul 26, 2012, 09:03 AM
I believe that you had to call Apple and explicitly ask for them; they weren't listed on the site. Presumably it's the same for 10.7 now.

The difference is that since those earlier versions were on disk, they were still available from the apple store for a while, they did have the disks printed up and were happy to sell what remained. Plus on disk, it was available from third party sellers at the same price. With the download, it's only available from Apple and the availability stopped immediately, that's a very different situation than previous releases.

Also, I know someone who has already contacted Apple about 10.7. They were told it is no longer available.

It's dumb I'll give you that, but I can't see any reason not to upgrade unless there really is some bit of stoneage software that can't run on your machine.

You mean upgrade to ML? There's a huge one - many machines that can run Lion don't support ML.

In fact, nobody used the RSS feature on Safari or Mail...

Tip for the day - hyperbole comes off as stupidity.

Thanks so much! Now I just need my display icon with different resolutions back.

Shame they yanked that. The beta testers complained to apple but got a response that it was by design. So weird that Apple seems to think that in so many cases taking away functionality is the way forward.

chaosconan
Jul 26, 2012, 09:12 AM
The difference is that since those earlier versions were on disk, they were still available from the apple store for a while, they did have the disks printed up and were happy to sell what remained. Plus on disk, it was available from third party sellers at the same price. With the download, it's only available from Apple and the availability stopped immediately, that's a very different situation than previous releases.

Also, I know someone who has already contacted Apple about 10.7. They were told it is no longer available.



You mean upgrade to ML? There's a huge one - many machines that can run Lion don't support ML.



Tip for the day - hyperbole comes off as stupidity.



Shame they yanked that. The beta testers complained to apple but got a response that it was by design. So weird that Apple seems to think that in so many cases taking away functionality is the way forward.

Oh, okay. I guess I'll have to find a third party menubar for this removed feature. Thanks.

Chupa Chupa
Jul 26, 2012, 09:25 AM
That is a very nasty, environmentally unfriendly, non-green move by Apple. They need to fully support older computers back 20 years.

20 years! What possible use would a PowerBook Duo or PowerMac LCII be today? You should think about what you write before you write b/c when you say 20 years you just look like a pie-in-the-sky idealist.

If Apple or any other tech company had to support machines 20 years back it would be a severe hit to technological advances b/c it would always have to serve the least capable denominator.

If you said 5-8 years, I'd agree. Some of ML's non-supported machines are not that old, mostly because of GPU, not CPU processing. Certainly Apple could allow ML to install on these older machines but strip out certain features that wouldn't work optimally as iOS does.

Thunderhawks
Jul 26, 2012, 09:41 AM
That is a very nasty, environmentally unfriendly, non-green move by Apple. They need to fully support older computers back 20 years. To stop supporting computers that are only a few years old (e.g., can't run MtnLion but could run Lion) is horribly wasteful of resources.

Remember:
Use
Reuse
Recycle

It is far better to REUSE rather than recycle. Older computers can be passed down or sold to others who can't afford the latest and greatest.

Bad Apple at the core.

And I thought only Jim Carrey could talk out of his behind:-)

Are you for real?

Ever heard of being able to recycle ANY computer through Apples recycling program? Note to yourself : check website!

A 20 year old computer cannot do what a 2012 generation can do.

But, if you are still attached to floppy disks, I will sell you my 1984 Mac. Still works in all it's black and white glory.

Also have a G3, G4, DP Tower, several iMacs PPC, duos etc.etc. .

They are all in use and do certain basic things ML is not needed for.

All the Macs people have work with all the programs they currently have, with whatever OS legacy system software they can get to.

So, put that tinfoil hat on the shelf and let's have a good chuckle.

Great comedy:-)

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Where is Steve Jobs when you need him ?

Dead!

rantexan
Jul 26, 2012, 10:11 AM
I submitted for a code. No code after 24, so I called. They tried to resend the confirmation email, but I never received it. They did however give me the code, but I can't use it without the web link. Could some one with an email post that link?
It would be greatly appreciated!!
Nevermind...I guess it is redeemed thru the redemption page on the apple store and the code they gave is a claim number....the wait goes on.

Jynto
Jul 26, 2012, 10:27 AM
Just a scary thought that the standard quo will become any computers older than 1 year are considered outdated and inadequate, as people have noted before, these are not a couple hundred dollar smart phones, these are multi k computers.

This. Some people already replace their iPhones on a 1 year cycle, which I think is wrong and irresponsible, but people do it because they're not designed to be repaired or upgraded.

And now that Apple has designed a Mac that can't be repaired or upgraded (the Retina Macbook Pro). I am worried that this will become the new paradigm of computing. Screen cracked? Send in your old computer and get a new one at a discount price. Battery dead? New computer. Need more RAM? New computer. Hard drive full? etc...

A lot of energy and resources goes into making a computer, including rare earth metals, which we are running out of. Disposable computers are not the way forward.

GuitarDTO
Jul 26, 2012, 10:40 AM
2010 MBP i7 with 750 GB 7200 RPM HDD, Snow Leopard.

The update was pretty much flawless for me. So impressed with how smooth it went. I made the switch because some photography softwares I want/use required the new OS (Aperture, and a frame App I wanted to purchase). I made good use of the message app last night as well, typing away to people and picking up the conversations later on my iPad.

Overall the only two hiccups I encountered were:
1. Magicprefs no longer was working properly, however this didn't bother me because the new OS seems to have sped up the max pointer speed of the Magic Mouse, and I was happy with how everything felt/gestures with the factory settings and don't think I need Magicprefs any more.

2. When using my LED Cinema display connected to the Macbook, normally I will open the lid of the macbook when it starts to get hot, but if I don't click anything on the keyboard it will stay dark and the Cinema display remains that only monitor/primary monitor. With Mountain Lion, as soon as you open the macbook lid it automatically went to a two display setup and I could not figure out how to change it back to the way it was (I never use the small Macbook display when using the Cinema display). Overall I may just start utilizing this two display approach but it's the only quirk I've run into thus far.

Mac'em X
Jul 26, 2012, 10:57 AM
Apple is going downhill fast. Who the hell uses all this iCrap software?Kindergartners? It's useless junk.

Ah, I miss the old days when trolls were at least mildly annoying. They just don't try any more. :(

Drew017
Jul 26, 2012, 11:00 AM
Again, do you install it on top of Lion or fresh install?

I installed it over Lion ;)

chaosconan
Jul 26, 2012, 11:16 AM
My Bootcamp partition with windows no longer boots within Parallel. During windows loading it says

"Windows could not start because of a computer disk hardware configuration problem. Could not read from the selected boot disk. Check boot path and disk hardware. Please check the Windows documentation about hardware disk configuration and your hardware reference manuals for additional information"

I have Parallel 7.

applefan289
Jul 26, 2012, 11:26 AM
But it still works as in Lion. When I open and edit an existing document, the document will be auto saved when I close it, without any further notice. When I quit an application with open documents, it still saves them for me and reopens them when I open the app the next time. The only difference in Mountain Lion is that you can change this behaviour in System Preferences. You can disable the resume function and auto save if you want to, but they are not enabled by default.

I have become used to this anyway and actually quite like it. I close apps all the time instead of closing the individual documents, just to quickly get back to my work. The same goes for auto save, which ensures that all my edits are saved, even when I don’t think about it.
Where can you change it in System Preferences. The Resume feature used to be under "General" in Lion, but now it's gone. And also, I don't believe you could change the Autosave feature in Lion. But if you can now, that's cool, I just don't see it in System Preferences. :confused:

DrDomVonDoom
Jul 26, 2012, 11:46 AM
Downloaded ML went to work, came home, and it took eh...50 minutes or so to install, not bad nothing horrible. I did notice the first boot-up was sort of slow, so I rebooted and everything is buttery.

I still need to dig into the OS and find all the little things, but for the most part the dictation ALONE is worth the 20 bucks, theres a lot of little things that you would end up paying third party for that would cost more then 20 bucks.

I know I might get flack, but so far it feels like a bundle pack more then a OS upgrade, I was kinda dissapointed that facebook integration wasn't in there right away. This new habit of Apple's that 'We will put out something, but it will be fully functional later' is pretty weaksauce in my opinion. You could have just put it out with ios6 and have everything work at the same time, but overall good install, plenty of good features and a bunch of hidden ones I must seek out!

Pianoblack3
Jul 26, 2012, 12:10 PM
You don't need it. In fact, nobody used the RSS feature on Safari or Mail, and thank god Apple god rid of another junk features that 99.99% of the users don't use.

If you need it, there's an app for that, called Reeder. Check it out.

If you and both Apple feel that by making an operating system less functionally as good then good grief.

Thunderhawks
Jul 26, 2012, 12:14 PM
DL slow, but finally there. (Expected with millions to dl )

Install process logical and easy to follow.

Going from SL directly to ML.

No desire to have Lion.

BAD:
No mention on screen or any place that after the restart you will have to wait quite a while.

Beach ball spinning as if the install is hanging.

Resisted my urge not to wait , forcequit or restart and googled things to find out that it can be 15 min to 1 hour to have everything working.

Indeed took an hour.

Quicken 2007 got the X out sign , as in not working under ML.
Not a problem. Been on iBank for a while.

Supergripe:

They destroyed the PREVIEW app.

Previously it was possible to just drag a photo to it to reduce the file size.
Move the slider for quality to the left until it showed say 425 kb or whatever size was good for e-mailing.

Save, done. Fast and easy.

Now you have to duplicate the picture and in that window the slider no longer shows the file size you reduce things to. BAD!!

The old SL preview had a save as command, which brought up a pull down menu of filters.

Gone in this one.

Invaluable for me to avoid printing b/w stuff in color printers.

Depending on the document my Lexmark X544 generates black out of 3 colors. What a waste.

No issue with MS Office 2008, as promised by Microsoft.

Coming from SL , have to get used to different scrolling. (I know can be reversed)

Hope that airplay works with this older MBP (2008). Upgraded mostly because of that feature. Didn't try it out yet.

But, if another post is true and it only works with newer gen MBP's etc. Apple
should have said so. Small print , asterisk or whatever.

Mail
Not sure yet if I like the ios type mail treatment.

I happen to use my mbxs like filing cabinets. (I know not recommended) and the old view was better.

Need to tinker and read up on preferences adjustments.

Pet peeve . Trackpad uses batteries too fast. Need rechargeables option or usb hook up. (I know wireless is elegant, but I'd rather put a cable and forgo batteries)

Mainyehc
Jul 26, 2012, 12:22 PM
After a few hours giving Mountain Lion a spin, I'm extremely happy to report that the general sluggishness that afflicted my CS5 Design Standard apps is now gone! Acrobat Pro launches instantly, Photoshop nearly instantly, and both Illustrator and InDesign launch in a respectable >10 s., while all of them quit instantly (I used to have to force quit Illustrator and/or InDesign more often than not). So, overall, and considering my iMac has been turning into just a work tool ever since I bought an iPad, these were the best spent €15 in my whole life as an Apple user. :cool:

However, I managed to find an interface inconsistency already: click-through doesn't work in the new fat/draggable scrollbars in Safari – they fail to appear on hover – when you are focusing either from another Safari window or from another app, which forces you to click them twice, once for switching focus and make the fat version appear and yet another time to actually perform the drag operation. I also found a serious bug, in Speech: when selecting a Portuguese voice (in this case, Joana) in Lion, Software Update would, then, download the appropriate module from Apple's servers; now, under Mountain Lion, when an unavailable voice is selected, a message appears informing the user that the download will start automatically… except it never does. Did Apple just forget to reroute all the use cases for Software Update to the App Store, as promised? I'm beginning to wonder whether my EPSON printer and scanner will be automatically updated as before… :mad:

Actually, scratch that… In the end I did manage to download that. The problem was, I still had Software Update, which lives on as a non-selectable (either via the Dock or Cmd+Tab) zombie leftover from Lion, running but hanging there and blocking any further downloads with but an OK button, after having finished downloading some Java update that CS5 required. Bad interface design, bad! If I only knew that… Software Update, in these cases and under this new model, should just behave like the OS X installer and quit by itself after 30 seconds. :mad:

matrix07
Jul 26, 2012, 12:28 PM
I installed it over Lion ;)

Great. I'll do it then. :)

farleysmaster
Jul 26, 2012, 01:30 PM
I would at least upgrade RAM to 4GB. 2GB should only be used with Tiger or Leopard. Mountain Lion is superior to Lion hands down. There is simply no debating that.

If you can't upgrade your RAM then i suggest downgrading to Snow Leopard for a better experience.



$20 is that difficult to cough up and justify to you for an OS upgrade? *shakes head*

I have a 2007 MacBook Pro. So far, just as fast as Lion.

denaliOnDubs
Jul 26, 2012, 02:22 PM
So far so good here. Everything went smoothly and pretty much everything I use has been compatible. I didn't really expect any problems honestly...

bigcat318
Jul 26, 2012, 02:33 PM
Hope that airplay works with this older MBP (2008). Upgraded mostly because of that feature. Didn't try it out yet.



Prepare to be disappointed. Only for Early 2011 and newer models. There are a couple threads about it. Apparently it is a physical hardware limitation.

Nermal
Jul 26, 2012, 02:46 PM
Also, I know someone who has already contacted Apple about 10.7. They were told it is no longer available.

Interesting! I assumed that Apple would happily give out a redemption code for anyone that requested it.

agmaster
Jul 26, 2012, 02:49 PM
There are more new OS's coming out the rear end than there are good stuff going in the mouth. Everything is eared towards the gear headz with all those devices, every device has to have the same thing all at the same time = sooooo control freaky yeah?? I don't know anyone who gets much done at all these days with all that stuff in all those gearz?!

I just want simple, i don't want any of the bells n whistles, faces book, reminders, email pop up stuff, I can multi-task just fine without the computer's OS helping me. Stability and speed and take up as little resources as possible please n thanks.

That is exactly the reason why I am still using SL. If only I could get the few good features new to ML without all the extra icing on the cake, aka junk related to syncing to an iOS device.

Loudobby
Jul 26, 2012, 02:53 PM
I was a little over enthusiastic today.
I downloaded Mountain Lion on my own as well as my wife's 13" MAC book air.
Clear mistake.

Result: no connection anymore to internet. ****!

When connected via LAN cable its ok. I downloaded a SW patch which took ages to be installed. After power up and down it worked.
Then tried agin WiFi: not successful.

IPhone and Ipad remains working well on the wireless networks.

Its very frustrating and my wife is about to kill me.......

Help Help!

Lou,
Holland

praktical
Jul 26, 2012, 02:58 PM
Looks great so far. Think I'll wait until I get my new iMac

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I was a little over enthusiastic today.
I downloaded Mountain Lion on my own as well as my wife's 13" MAC book air.
Clear mistake.

Result: no connection anymore to internet. ****!

When connected via LAN cable its ok. I downloaded a SW patch which took ages to be installed. After power up and down it worked.
Then tried agin WiFi: not successful.

IPhone and Ipad remains working well on the wireless networks.

Its very frustrating and my wife is about to kill me.......

Help Help!

Lou,
Holland
What errors are you getting?

milo
Jul 26, 2012, 03:14 PM
Interesting! I assumed that Apple would happily give out a redemption code for anyone that requested it.

That would make the most sense. Dare I say it, at this point with ML at $19, they should make Lion free.

Thunderhawks
Jul 26, 2012, 03:15 PM
Prepare to be disappointed. Only for Early 2011 and newer models. There are a couple threads about it. Apparently it is a physical hardware limitation.

Thank you, bummer:-(

Would have been too easy.

I am ready to buy another MBP anyway, but I am waiting for a current gen Refurb.

Probably mentioned someplace in Apple's fine print that nobody reads!

ade2bee
Jul 26, 2012, 03:37 PM
WHAT NO AIRPLAY!!!!

I'm waiting til it settles... plus the only thing I really wanted was Airplay and I've just found out from an extremely pissed friend that you can't have it on a Mac that's older than summer 2011

So Apple are now writing off devices that are older than 1-2 years old like they do with the iOS devices... whereas the complete Microsoft Windows 8 demo will run on an old tatty 2008 Compaq machine!!

Be careful Apple, there is a saying that goes 'you're getting too big for your boots'

majortrout
Jul 26, 2012, 03:48 PM
I always search out reviews before I purchase any software. However, it's next to impossible to find "bad" reviews or reviews with negative commentary on poor features.

I purchased and downloaded OS X (Mountain Lion) having found very little "negative" reviews.

Upon downloading and using Mountain Lion, I personally found my experiences:

1. Took 4 hours to download and install (even with a high speed ISP).

2. Not all software works, GIMP (A great and free image-editing software)
does not work. Apple did say to download:

XQuartz-2.7.2.dmg 2.7.2 2012-06-01 For OS X 10.6 or later (including Mountain Lion)


However, GIMP still does not work.

My Photoshop CS5 doesn't work either. I had to download a Java upgrade. Why, I don't know, but that worked! Also,the download was also slow, even though the data downloaded was very small!

3. Delete Cache (From Safari) does not work anymore. You have to go to Safari>>Preferences>>Remove all Website Data

4. No more choices of Search Engines. Google is the default one, and to change to Yahoo or BIng, you have to do enter the change in a manual setting.

I don't own a cell phone , IPad, Ipod or any other Apple device.

I thought the new OS X would be better for my IMac - Am I wrong?

Finally, to review - are they any "honest honest" review sites out there for any item, product, hardware or software?

Thanks
Majortrout

alexstjo
Jul 26, 2012, 03:58 PM
Is it me or does it look like the iCloud tabs are not working on the iPhone

Thunderhawks
Jul 26, 2012, 03:58 PM
I always search out reviews before I purchase any software. However, it's next to impossible to find "bad" reviews or reviews with negative commentary on poor features.

I purchased and downloaded OS X (Mountain Lion) having found very little "negative" reviews.

Upon downloading and using Mountain Lion, I personally found my experiences:

1. Took 4 hours to download and install (even with a high speed ISP).

2. Not all software works, GIMP (A great and free image-editing software)
does not work. Apple did say to download:

XQuartz-2.7.2.dmg 2.7.2 2012-06-01 For OS X 10.6 or later (including Mountain Lion)


However, GIMP still does not work.

3. Delete Cache (From Safari) does not work anymore. You have to go to Safari>>Preferences>>Remove all Website Data

4. No more choices of Search Engines. Google is the default one, and to change to Yahoo or BIng, you have to do enter the change in a manual setting.

I don't own a cell phone , IPad, Ipod or any other Apple device.

I thought the new OS X would be better for my IMac - Am I wrong?

Finally, to review - are they any "honest honest" review sites out there for any item, product, hardware or software?

Thanks
Majortrout

Just keep reading through here. Everybody has a different tolerance for what works for them.

MAIL
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They put the icons for attachment etc. all the way to the right for new messages.

So, now when typing a new message you have to move the curser all the way to the right etc. wastes time.

Yes, I can do shift command A, but moving the curser should be right next to send, maybe with a little space,like in the previous mail.

Don't know if there is a setting, no time to play with it.

Time to look at Thunderbird and I MailHub

And, PREVIEW is bad , see my other post.

I WAS the one
Jul 26, 2012, 04:35 PM
I'm happy with this update. it seems this is the same Apple did with Leopard and Snow leopard. It's the same OS more stable and fixed. I remember when I was using leopard I was like Snow Leopard is the same *****! I was so disappointed... then I realized it was a superior improvement and it was great to and better to use. now I bet it will be the same with ML, you don't see it clearly but then you will be like: "THANKS GOD FOR THIS UPDATE!"

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WHAT NO AIRPLAY!!!!

I'm waiting til it settles... plus the only thing I really wanted was Airplay and I've just found out from an extremely pissed friend that you can't have it on a Mac that's older than summer 2011

So Apple are now writing off devices that are older than 1-2 years old like they do with the iOS devices... whereas the complete Microsoft Windows 8 demo will run on an old tatty 2008 Compaq machine!!

Be careful Apple, there is a saying that goes 'you're getting too big for your boots'

technology... it sucks. BUY NEW HARDWARE DUDE!

Stonefly
Jul 26, 2012, 04:38 PM
Just keep reading through here. Everybody has a different tolerance for what works for them.

MAIL
-----
They put the icons for attachment etc. all the way to the right for new messages.

So, now when typing a new message you have to move the curser all the way to the right etc. wastes time.

Yes, I can do shift command A, but moving the curser should be right next to send, maybe with a little space,like in the previous mail.

Don't know if there is a setting, no time to play with it.

Time to look at Thunderbird and I MailHub

And, PREVIEW is bad , see my other post.

Just right click up top on the grey bar and click customize toolbar. You can add, remove or move them around. Just move the paperclip to the left where you want it. :)

SkyBell
Jul 26, 2012, 04:39 PM
So... there's no way to get Lion anymore if you haven't already bought it? (Getting my facts straight before I blow up.)

F.biz
Jul 26, 2012, 05:01 PM
So... there's no way to get Lion anymore if you haven't already bought it? (Getting my facts straight before I blow up.)

It looks like there is no way to download Lion. We just can try to buy second hand Lion USB stick. I could not find it in The Apple Store.

This is real mednedds!

Riot Nrrrd
Jul 26, 2012, 06:14 PM
What're most people doing for the ML install?

I have a Mac Pro still on Snow Leopard, and my work MacBook Pro came with Lion already on it (it's now running 10.7.4), so I have yet to do a Lion or Mountain Lion install yet.

In the past I've always done my OS installs via full backups and then wipes and a fresh from-scratch install.

Does this newfangled App Store method let you do that?

Back in the day it usually wasn't a good idea to do an Upgrade Install given that old cruft could cause unexpected issues. Is that still the case? (I see a couple of people have mentioned doing Upgrade Installs over Lion.)

cerote
Jul 26, 2012, 09:36 PM
Mountain lion removed my parallels 6.0. Any idea for a fix to run parallels 6 on mountain lion?

Not sure if anyone answered you or yet but 6.0 is incompatible. But I think I read ML moves incompatible apps to a Incompatible App Folder.

michael31986
Jul 26, 2012, 09:44 PM
how do i do the facebook plugin on my macbook. i want to be able to update status like they mentioned from the notification bar and etc. thanks

philitup23
Jul 26, 2012, 10:45 PM
I can't get messages and iMessage on my iPhone to sync. What am I doing wrong?

silverbs
Jul 26, 2012, 10:59 PM
how do i do the facebook plugin on my macbook. i want to be able to update status like they mentioned from the notification bar and etc. thanks

No facebook integration yet. It will come in a future update.

Upgraded to Mountain Lion last night and AirPlay with iTunes works very well. However it's interesting that VLC has AirPlay Video/Audio outputs but is not yet fully supported (no audio). Audio only works within iTunes. Wish there was an AirPlay option for Safari while watching videos on YouTube etc. Until the future I guess. Gold Master was a few months too early.

Kevinflo
Jul 26, 2012, 11:45 PM
Anyone else using ML on a rMBP feel like swiping between different spaces or between your main desktop and the dashboard is annoyingly jittery and unresponsive compared to lion?

This is in contrast to the on-page verticle scrolling within a browser being MUCH smoother.

krzyglue
Jul 27, 2012, 12:06 AM
I really really like ML. Though I admit it's possible a lot of the perkiness may be because I went for a clean install (didn't like the idea of SL > Lion > ML), it really does feel as quick as SL and that's saying a lot. The new features are just a plus.

caspersoong
Jul 27, 2012, 03:15 AM
I love the way you can type "Do assignment at 10 am" in reminders and it makes a reminder set for 10 am. I never expected this (though quite common) functionality. I love the speed of Safari too. Besides, my wake-up speed from sleep decreased from 10 seconds to nil. Best buy ever.

Thunderhawks
Jul 27, 2012, 05:23 AM
Prepare to be disappointed. Only for Early 2011 and newer models. There are a couple threads about it. Apparently it is a physical hardware limitation.[/QUOTE

Lots of the forums complain about Airplay not working for older models.

One poster keeps mentioning that Apple did state the system requirements to use Airplay.

Let's just say that that "statement" is so well hidden that you need a detective AND a microscope to find it.

Definitely not clear on Apple's part and thus misleading!

Should have a footnote in that section of new features for ML.

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[QUOTE=philitup23;15340786]I can't get messages and iMessage on my iPhone to sync. What am I doing wrong?

No idea, but restart all devices as a first step?

Otaviano
Jul 27, 2012, 10:45 AM
What're most people doing for the ML install?

I have a Mac Pro still on Snow Leopard, and my work MacBook Pro came with Lion already on it (it's now running 10.7.4), so I have yet to do a Lion or Mountain Lion install yet.

In the past I've always done my OS installs via full backups and then wipes and a fresh from-scratch install.

Does this newfangled App Store method let you do that?

Back in the day it usually wasn't a good idea to do an Upgrade Install given that old cruft could cause unexpected issues. Is that still the case? (I see a couple of people have mentioned doing Upgrade Installs over Lion.)

This time I did a clean install. Last year with the original Lion I did an upgrade. If you like doing a clean install then go for the clean install. There are great directions on osxdaily.com.

AppleInTheMud
Jul 27, 2012, 11:00 AM
Bought my iMac february 2011 in Apple Store.

And still it seems mine is a 2010 model ???

Soooo Mountain Lion was a waste of money :-/ Only wanted it for mirroring to Apple TV.

So now my daughter gets this "old" piece of ****.

Anyway... Been using Mac for 11 years. But seems since Lion everything is just about money and no good things :-/

iPhone sold yesterday... New PC when Windows 8 comes.

Hope something really new and good soon comes from Apple. Sad to see what you loved for so long going down the drain.

Mountain Lion is like Lion - SUPER LAGGY and SLOW. My Windows 8 partition is more than twice as fast :-(

majuha
Jul 27, 2012, 11:08 AM
Did SL -> Lion -> ML without any clean install. ML is running A LOT faster compared to Lion. Safari also. Big difference in my case, I'm on a late 2010 MBP. Really happy with the update so far, haven't experienced any problems at all.

krzyglue
Jul 27, 2012, 04:34 PM
This time I did a clean install. Last year with the original Lion I did an upgrade. If you like doing a clean install then go for the clean install. There are great directions on osxdaily.com.

Yeah I feel ML really benefits from a clean install.

macpeach55
Jul 28, 2012, 11:12 AM
Just upgraded to Mountain Lion on my Late 2008 MBP as a Crash Test Dummy to my iMac. Everything fantastic. Only waiting for the OnyX final version to be where I was App wise before.
Very happy - everything definitely is quicker, better.

I will not list specific programs that work to keep the cave Trolls away!
(The ones who just live for picking apart everything)
but if they want to ask..... Bring it On!!!
:-)

ImAlwaysRight
Jul 28, 2012, 12:59 PM
Bought my iMac february 2011 in Apple Store.

And still it seems mine is a 2010 model ???
...

Mountain Lion is like Lion - SUPER LAGGY and SLOW. My Windows 8 partition is more than twice as fast :-(

Ummm, you're doing it wrong. No way you have a 2010 iMac that has at minimum a 3.06GHz i3 processor and 4GB RAM. Lion runs decent on a 2006 iMac 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo with 3GB RAM that I oversee. You must have something seriously wanked in your system.

norrismantooth
Jul 30, 2012, 09:39 AM
I am upset that my Fliqlo clock screensaver doesn't work anymore.

This has been my biggest loss since upgrading. I've emailed the dev twice to ask if he/she has any plans to keep it current with the OS. Apple should buy Fliqlo and integrate it.

28Gauge
Jul 30, 2012, 10:23 AM
This has been my biggest loss since upgrading. I've emailed the dev twice to ask if he/she has any plans to keep it current with the OS. Apple should buy Fliqlo and integrate it.

I read on the developer's website that they would indeed update Fliqlo for ML. The developer said give them a few weeks.

http://9031.com/tweets/

davys
Aug 1, 2012, 01:56 PM
I concur, my Fliqlo doesnt work either.



Has anyone managed to get the Fliqlo Clock screensaver working yet in Mountain Lion? I feel a bit stooped bitchin' about this, but I really miss this screensaver!

Zach Vega
Aug 1, 2012, 03:20 PM
Bought my iMac february 2011 in Apple Store.

And still it seems mine is a 2010 model ???

Mountain Lion is like Lion - SUPER LAGGY and SLOW. My Windows 8 partition is more than twice as fast :-(

I have the same model as you, and it runs extremely fast.

JGRE
Aug 21, 2012, 05:17 AM
Need more info. Do you get a connection to your AP ? Do you receive an IP from your DHCP ? Proper DNS configuration ? Default Gateway ?

Thanks for your response, it appeared to be the router settings that needed adjustment.

jcmc
Aug 22, 2012, 04:41 AM
I am really not getting on well with ML so far. The first major issue is the power management stuff, apologies if this has been covered at length but coming out of sleep or power save mode is turgid. It takes ages, the CPU whirrs for minutes and everything is slow and clunky for way too long.

I'm sure people have mentioned about the network going to sleep along with the screen which is annoying when downloading stuff over night.

But it's the general inefficiency with core apps like iPhoto and iTunes which is the most worrying. I will get large spikes of CPU activity randomly for a few minutes at a time with one or the other for no apparent reason.

The net result is a decent spec 27" late 2010 iMac which is now feeling rather old and slow. Which shouldn't be the case.

AppleInTheMud
Sep 19, 2012, 11:17 AM
I have the same model as you, and it runs extremely fast.


I got it fixed and now it's fast again. . . . Made a clean install.