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dericks0n
Jul 25, 2012, 09:06 PM
Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was unavailable. Apparently Apple is trying the same trick they did with mobile devices. AirPlay is unavailable for an Macbook purchased before 2011. What a joke!!!!

Maybe Apple should lower the price for those of us with order Mac since they want to sell us a stripped down version of ML.



PlaceofDis
Jul 25, 2012, 09:08 PM
i thought this was common knowledge after the huge fuss that was made about it a few weeks ago. there is a technical reason for it at least, as annoying as it is to not have the feature.

Intell
Jul 25, 2012, 09:09 PM
Apple clearly states the requirements for Airplay on their site. If you failed to read it, there's nothing that can be done. Calling it a scam to cover you own mistakes won't do any good.

SandboxGeneral
Jul 25, 2012, 09:09 PM
There is a lengthy discussion about this in this thread:

Macs older than 2011 can't use Airplay Mirroring in ML (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1399182&highlight=airplay+mirroring)

It was publicized prior to the release of ML, so I don't think anyone would have standing against Apple in getting them to reduce the already low price of ML for older Mac's.

Peace
Jul 25, 2012, 09:10 PM
How is it a scam ? Apple lists what macs can run AirPlay mirroring

http://www.apple.com/osx/specs/

AirPlay Mirroring
Requires a second-generation Apple TV or later. Supports the following Mac models:

iMac (Mid 2011 or newer)
Mac mini (Mid 2011 or newer)
MacBook Air (Mid 2011 or newer)
MacBook Pro (Early 2011 or newer)

Gator24765
Jul 25, 2012, 09:11 PM
Worked just fine for me on my 2012 :)



We have a simple situation of lack of research before purchasing... Don't worry we all do it, myself included.

jkeekij
Jul 25, 2012, 09:15 PM
I feel violated that my 2010 MBP won't run Airplay! :eek:

Oh, never mind I read the requirements and new that already. You can't run one feature and the release is considered stripped down?? Cheaper for that one reason?

Educate yourself prior to the next $20 release and you should be OK.

waw74
Jul 25, 2012, 09:17 PM
does this mean that every topic about mirroring, you're going to chime in with the exact same thing?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1411020 - you've copied your post there almost word for word


it's a hardware limitation. There is a special chip included in the newer macs to accomplish the encoding needed so the processor doesn't get overloaded, if they let you do it on your mac, it would grind to a halt, guess you'd be calling it a scam then too.

mellofello
Jul 25, 2012, 09:21 PM
This is BS. They just lost a apple tv sale.

dericks0n
Jul 25, 2012, 09:48 PM
touché....

Yes, you are all right it was in the fine print and I missed it. Scam... no, but I was very frustrated none the less. I am sure apple could have made it work. It is another way to sell hardware. If a third party like Airparrot can make it work, apple can certainly do it.

Anyway. I only created this second thread to try alert others like myself who somehow missed the details that the Airplay feature may not work on their machine.

Thanks,
David

SnowLeopard2008
Jul 25, 2012, 10:11 PM
touché....

Yes, you are all right it was in the fine print and I missed it. Scam... no, but I was very frustrated none the less. I am sure apple could have made it work. It is another way to sell hardware. If a third party like Airparrot can make it work, apple can certainly do it.

Anyway. I only created this second thread to try alert others like myself who somehow missed the details that the Airplay feature may not work on their machine.

Thanks,
David

Did you read any of the links posted?

Did you try AirParrot? (Spoiler: it SUCKS and LAGS)

AirParrot made it "work". It doesn't work "well". Microsoft made tablet computers for many years. Obviously it didn't work "well" since the iPad came along and crowned itself king. Apple doesn't just make things "work". They make it work "well".

Many features in operating systems require some kind of compliment hardware. Windows and Linux and Mac OS X included. Your comparison with iOS is kind of flawed since everyone gets the same ML install whereas for iOS devices, some features are physically missing from the IPSW file.

GizmoDVD
Jul 25, 2012, 10:18 PM
Scam? You didn't bother to read.

swordfish5736
Jul 25, 2012, 10:41 PM
does this mean that every topic about mirroring, you're going to chime in with the exact same thing?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1411020 - you've copied your post there almost word for word


it's a hardware limitation. There is a special chip included in the newer macs to accomplish the encoding needed so the processor doesn't get overloaded, if they let you do it on your mac, it would grind to a halt, guess you'd be calling it a scam then too.

On top of encoding the 2011 and newer macs support DRM which was probably required by Hollywood to allow AirPlay from Mac to atv

Jessica Lares
Jul 25, 2012, 11:04 PM
Try this for now: http://www.airserverapp.com

It works great, even supports PowerPC and Windows.

Mac running OS X Tiger / Leopard / Snow Leopard / Lion (Intel/PPC) or a PC running Windows 7 or Vista.
iPad, iPhone (3GS or later) or iPod touch (second generation or later) running the latest iOS software. Alternatively, you can use an Android device running doubleTwist+AirTwist. Note: Mirroring is only available for iPad 2, iPad 3 and iPhone 4S.
Wi-Fi connection for activation.
Wi-Fi or ad-hoc network for operation.

mastamark2020
Jul 26, 2012, 06:38 AM
come on people think about it here, its not a hardware issue at all, if a mobile phone can "airplay" I'm pretty sure a 2010 MBP running a i5 and 4gb ram with wireless N can do it.

My HTC one X can mirror its screen over DLNA and play FULL HD files on the phone and to a tv at the same time, so really guys i doubt its a hardware issue.

chris650
Jul 26, 2012, 08:06 AM
Apple is getting nasty and hungry.... a sign of the beginning of the end for an empire.

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Several other third party software can do the mirroring and Apple cannot even include that little feature in its OS? That's beyond desperate, that's almost pathetic.

theluggage
Jul 26, 2012, 08:20 AM
come on people think about it here, its not a hardware issue at all, if a mobile phone can "airplay" I'm pretty sure a 2010 MBP running a i5 and 4gb ram with wireless N can do it.

Of course it is possible - the question is, would it work well enough for games and video?

The existing screen sharing feature can already mirror the display over the network to another Mac - but video and animation is choppy (you wouldn't want to play a game or watch a movie on it) and, in 'compressed' mode, any animation looks a bit crufty (I use uncompressed mode, but that's between two machines hooked up via gibabit ethernet which has a lot more bandwidth than any WiFi connection).

As others have stated ad nauseum the newer Macs have a gpu feature that can capture and compress the screen in hardware.

The same applies to iPads and iPhones - the Airplay Mirroring feature in iOS 5 requires an ipad 2 or an iPhone 4GS and doesn't work on older models.


My HTC one X can mirror its screen over DLNA and play FULL HD files on the phone and to a tv at the same time, so really guys i doubt its a hardware issue.

...so what? Your this-year's-model smartphone obviously has the requisite hardware.

Edit: However, I see Apple still haven't learnt from their run-ins with the authorities in the EU and Australia and are relying on people reading the Tech Specs to find out which bits of the "Features" page won't work for them. They really don't seem to get the concept of misleading advertising as opposed to false advertising.

Sweetfeld28
Jul 26, 2012, 08:56 AM
Try this for now: http://www.airserverapp.com


Since that appears to only mirror things from your iPhone or iPad, here is an alternative. This app allows you to mirror your computer to your AppleTV.

AirParrot (http://airparrot.com)

chris650
Jul 26, 2012, 09:25 AM
Airparrot can do, Apple cannot do it?
Apple becomes a desperate liar and a sign of decline of an empire that was built on close borders and exclusivity. We had quite a few of those in human history

mic j
Jul 26, 2012, 09:37 AM
Airparrot can do, Apple cannot do it?
Apple becomes a desperate liar and a sign of decline of an empire that was built on close borders and exclusivity. We had quite a few of those in human history

AirParrot cannot do it, laggy, judder, pixelated and the CPU becomes incredibly hot with fan running on high all the time. Let's get real here!!

hafr
Jul 26, 2012, 09:38 AM
Airparrot can do, Apple cannot do it?
Apple becomes a desperate liar and a sign of decline of an empire that was built on close borders and exclusivity. We had quite a few of those in human history

You think this is something new for Apple? It's pretty much what differentiates Apple from all of their competitors, and has been for the longest time.

maturola
Jul 26, 2012, 09:50 AM
Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was unavailable. Apparently Apple is trying the same trick they did with mobile devices. AirPlay is unavailable for an Macbook purchased before 2011. What a joke!!!!

Maybe Apple should lower the price for those of us with order Mac since they want to sell us a stripped down version of ML.

So you are upset because you can't read? Requirements for Airplay Mirroring had been stated clearly since it was announced

Richdmoore
Jul 26, 2012, 09:51 AM
I was using airpariot with lion on my 2011 iMac, now I am using Mountain Lion's built in AirPlay support.

Mountain Lion's native support simply blows AirParriot away. Zero lag at all vs the laggy mess that AirParriot performed on the exact same computer.

My understanding is that AirPlay mirroring on the Mac requires hardware that is only available in 2011 & 2012 intel processors, and based on my observations of the performance of hardware vs software only AirPlay, I believe it really was not possible without the 2011 and higher chips.

EDIT: Cult of Mac article says it is because 2011 and higher macs are the only one's that support on-chip video encoding.
http://www.cultofmac.com/178460/the-real-reason-why-macs-before-2011-cant-use-airplay-mirroring-in-mountain-lion-feature/

heisenberg123
Jul 26, 2012, 10:00 AM
Its not a Scam and it wasnt "fine print" it was big print and easy to know with some proper reading when ML features where announced.

too those arguing that its not a hardware issue and their 2009 or 2010 should be able to support it, even if your right its up to apple to pick the cut off for devices they build into the support structure for new features.

Eventually it will happen to the ealry 2011 MBPs and than the 2012 rMBPs.


Most of us will keep our Macs for 5+ years but apple make more on people that update every 2 years so its makes a business sense to cut off 2010's and older for some features.


I dont like that I cant mirror my iphone 4 on my ATV, and there has only been 1 iphone released sense it, atleast the MBP has had 3 releases that are all supported for Airplay, so maybe it is a Hardware issue

mic j
Jul 26, 2012, 10:11 AM
Its not a Scam and it wasnt "fine print" it was big print and easy to know with some proper reading when ML features where announced.

too those arguing that its not a hardware issue and their 2009 or 2010 should be able to support it, even if your right its up to apple to pick the cut off for devices they build into the support structure for new features.

Eventually it will happen to the ealry 2011 MBPs and than the 2012 rMBPs.


Most of us will keep our Macs for 5+ years but apple make more on people that update every 2 years so its makes a business sense to cut off 2010's and older for some features.


I dont like that I cant mirror my iphone 4 on my ATV, and there has only been 1 iphone released sense it, atleast the MBP has had 3 releases that are all supported for Airplay, so maybe it is a Hardware issue
It's a hardware issue. You have have the Sandy Bridge process that can do h.264 transcoding on the fly, thus it is very fast. That's why CPU transcoding (AirParrot) is so poor. CPU is slow for on the fly transcoding.

People love Apple for innovation but want everything to be backward compatible to the beginning of time. At some point, that just does't work. Would people be happier if the capability was there but Apple decided not to implement it because they did not want to piss-off their customer base?

Sweetfeld28
Jul 26, 2012, 11:07 AM
It's a hardware issue. You have have the Sandy Bridge process that can do h.264 transcoding on the fly, thus it is very fast.

He's right. It is explained here: The Real Reason Macs before 2011 can't use AirPlay. (http://www.cultofmac.com/178460/the-real-reason-why-macs-before-2011-cant-use-airplay-mirroring-in-mountain-lion-feature/)

heisenberg123
Jul 26, 2012, 11:58 AM
It's a hardware issue. You have have the Sandy Bridge process that can do h.264 transcoding on the fly, thus it is very fast. That's why CPU transcoding (AirParrot) is so poor. CPU is slow for on the fly transcoding.

People love Apple for innovation but want everything to be backward compatible to the beginning of time. At some point, that just does't work. Would people be happier if the capability was there but Apple decided not to implement it because they did not want to piss-off their customer base?

thanks for the clarification, I knew it was a hardware limitation but did not know the facts to back it up in my post

nuckinfutz
Jul 26, 2012, 12:20 PM
come on people think about it here, its not a hardware issue at all, if a mobile phone can "airplay" I'm pretty sure a 2010 MBP running a i5 and 4gb ram with wireless N can do it.

My HTC one X can mirror its screen over DLNA and play FULL HD files on the phone and to a tv at the same time, so really guys i doubt its a hardware issue.

It's because you're not thinking about what needs to be involved on your computer versus a phone. The 4S can mirror..that's not a big ordeal because the starting resolution is fairly low at 960 x 640.

Now contrast that with Mac resolutions

1200x800
1440x900
1920x1080
2560x1440

What Airplay has to do on the fly is apply proper scaling regardless of resolution on the Mac and then stream this data over your Wifi. Not an easy task.

HipHopTrex
Jul 26, 2012, 12:27 PM
AirParrot is still a dandy of an app. Really mine only overheats after an hour or so of watching stuff. And I've NEVER experienced lag or anything like that. So i don't understand the AirParrot hate, and hopefully I never have too.:D


But it is annoying that slightly less recent macbooks can't do airplay. I mean for me, I've always just converted files and added them to iTunes. And airplayed that way. No issues, ever. Not even the overheating issue of AirPlay.

mic j
Jul 26, 2012, 01:45 PM
AirParrot is still a dandy of an app. Really mine only overheats after an hour or so of watching stuff. And I've NEVER experienced lag or anything like that. So i don't understand the AirParrot hate, and hopefully I never have too.:D


But it is annoying that slightly less recent macbooks can't do airplay. I mean for me, I've always just converted files and added them to iTunes. And airplayed that way. No issues, ever. Not even the overheating issue of AirPlay.
1) AirParrot works better on multi-core Mac's. Just like not everyone has a Intel processor with Sandy Bridge to do airplay, not everyone has a multicore Mac. So It's not everyones answer to a lack of airplay.

2) It only overheats after an hour??? It shouldn't overheat period. And how do you mirror a 2 hour mkv movie or online sports program or something. Also, if you are trying to mirror a flash video which is CPU intensive all by itself, AirParrot adds an even bigger load on the CPU. Hot, hot, hot (and juddery).

3) Yes, you have no issue airplaying from iTunes because iTunes content is already transcoded to h.264 and put no transcoding load on the CPU.

I just think all of the suggestions of AirParrot being a substitute for AirPlay need to be balanced with the reality of the requirements of that software. Basically it is YMMV so try it and challenge it with streaming flash video and BR movies before you send them money.

HipHopTrex
Jul 26, 2012, 05:01 PM
1) AirParrot works better on multi-core Mac's. Just like not everyone has a Intel processor with Sandy Bridge to do airplay, not everyone has a multicore Mac. So It's not everyones answer to a lack of airplay.

2) It only overheats after an hour??? It shouldn't overheat period. And how do you mirror a 2 hour mkv movie or online sports program or something. Also, if you are trying to mirror a flash video which is CPU intensive all by itself, AirParrot adds an even bigger load on the CPU. Hot, hot, hot (and juddery).

3) Yes, you have no issue airplaying from iTunes because iTunes content is already transcoded to h.264 and put no transcoding load on the CPU.

I just think all of the suggestions of AirParrot being a substitute for AirPlay need to be balanced with the reality of the requirements of that software. Basically it is YMMV so try it and challenge it with streaming flash video and BR movies before you send them money.

1. No duh. I'm just saying as a user of a nice bottom of the line(for the time) specs of a mid-09 macbook pro. It works.

2. (continuing from point 1) I NEVER play an MKV, I convert everything, which I already stated in my original post. I use Handbrake convert to MP4, Heat doesn't bother me that much, and all computers overheat eventually a Mac is NO exception to this. I'm not saying AirParrot is perfect, just a dandy of an app. I expect when I buy any computer, mac, pc, whatever that it'll overheat eventually. Hell sometimes when I'm ripping DVDs, it gets hot.

3. I was offering/stating what I do to use files with iTunes. If you don't want to convert MKV, fine. Just don't whine and cry that ML doesn't work on your mac and it's not easy. There are ways around it you just have to use your head, give it a little elbow grease, and you can work around it.

I use AirParrot/Handbrake/iTunes(and an external hard drive) in conjunction with one another to avoid having to pay for a new Mac right now. I'm personally waiting until retina comes to the 13inch Pro, and then I'll upgrade. I'm just sharing my "solution" with others so that way they don't have to feel too bad about being left out of airplay. For $10, AirParrot is worth it, and with pretty continuous updates, they're at least investing in it for older macs.

mic j
Jul 26, 2012, 05:33 PM
1. No duh. I'm just saying as a user of a nice bottom of the line(for the time) specs of a mid-09 macbook pro. It works.

2. (continuing from point 1) I NEVER play an MKV, I convert everything, which I already stated in my original post. I use Handbrake convert to MP4, Heat doesn't bother me that much, and all computers overheat eventually a Mac is NO exception to this. I'm not saying AirParrot is perfect, just a dandy of an app. I expect when I buy any computer, mac, pc, whatever that it'll overheat eventually. Hell sometimes when I'm ripping DVDs, it gets hot.

3. I was offering/stating what I do to use files with iTunes. If you don't want to convert MKV, fine. Just don't whine and cry that ML doesn't work on your mac and it's not easy. There are ways around it you just have to use your head, give it a little elbow grease, and you can work around it.

I use AirParrot/Handbrake/iTunes(and an external hard drive) in conjunction with one another to avoid having to pay for a new Mac right now. I'm personally waiting until retina comes to the 13inch Pro, and then I'll upgrade. I'm just sharing my "solution" with others so that way they don't have to feel too bad about being left out of airplay. For $10, AirParrot is worth it, and with pretty continuous updates, they're at least investing in it for older macs.
1. If you look at my specs you will see I also have a mid-2009 MPB. So your definition of "works" must be a lot less stringent than mine. Works for me means it plays without jidder. I just updated to the new AirParrot version and tried to watch Olympic soccer. It was studdery and pixelated...just not watchable IMO.
2. What's the point of AirParrot for home use? Do you just want to see your desktop?
3. I convert all my movies to mp4. I have not upgraded to ML so I'm not whining and am not whining and crying about it. I have known for good while that ML would not have mirroring for my MBP and if you look at some of my posts you will see that I have tried to educate others on that.

What I am trying to do is to dispel the myth that AirParrot is a substitute for AirPlay. It's plainly not. But it may have some use in presentation setting, which is what it was originally designed for, but not much beyond that. And if you read my other posts, you will see what I do recommend is that people try the trial version and really really put it through it's paces prior to buying it. Try flash video, try mkv's. And if they find it's output usable...buy it for God's sake. That's it. Sorry if I offended you.

Irishman
Jul 26, 2012, 05:52 PM
Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was unavailable. Apparently Apple is trying the same trick they did with mobile devices. AirPlay is unavailable for an Macbook purchased before 2011. What a joke!!!!

Maybe Apple should lower the price for those of us with order Mac since they want to sell us a stripped down version of ML.

You know, there have been lists published for months that are very explicit about which Macs are compatible with Mountain Lion.

How did that happen to you??

koban4max
Jul 26, 2012, 05:55 PM
So you are upset because you can't read? Requirements for Airplay Mirroring had been stated clearly since it was announced

You need to stop bashing others. Apparently, regular, "non-hardcore" consumers don't know much about the specs or requirements. Even if it was DISPLAYED on the website, shoot, there are people who might miss it. For all I know, you might be responding to an old lady. Cut some slack.

mic j
Jul 26, 2012, 06:07 PM
You need to stop bashing others. Apparently, regular, "non-hardcore" consumers don't know much about the specs or requirements. Even if it was DISPLAYED on the website, shoot, there are people who might miss it. For all I know, you might be responding to an old lady. Cut some slack.
Just for fun...So if I go into buy a car and I'm looking for a 6 cylinder and I don't read the sticker on the window (which clearly states it's a 4 cylinder), when I get home, I lift the lid and get upset because it is missing 2 cylinders, should I go on the autodialer forum and accuse them of pulling a scam?;)

MiamiC70
Jul 26, 2012, 06:52 PM
They should know. Isn't being an educated consumer part of life?
The MacBook he or she has I assume is connected to the "internet" as he / she was able to post here and all the answers are only a search away :)


You need to stop bashing others. Apparently, regular, "non-hardcore" consumers don't know much about the specs or requirements. Even if it was DISPLAYED on the website, shoot, there are people who might miss it. For all I know, you might be responding to an old lady. Cut some slack.

marc11
Jul 26, 2012, 07:02 PM
For me Air Parrot works great on my machine in 1080p. What I do to improve performance is first I switch to the discrete graphics card it does not switch automatically. Then I use never sleep to close the lid which turns off the LCD display and allows the graphics card to be dedicated to air parrot.

I set the max fs to 35 and quality to high. I have zero pixilation and zero lag. Now this is what works on my machine and my specs. YMMV but for me to watch say Hulu or other non airplayable content on my tv from my MBP it is a fantastic solution. Add in a BT keyboard and track pad and I never have to go to my computer to change or pause content.

radiogoober
Jul 26, 2012, 07:18 PM
Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was unavailable. Apparently Apple is trying the same trick they did with mobile devices. AirPlay is unavailable for an Macbook purchased before 2011. What a joke!!!!

Maybe Apple should lower the price for those of us with order Mac since they want to sell us a stripped down version of ML.

You should be banned for this thread. It's not a scam simply beecause YOU failed to read where Apple explicitly wrote which Macs support this feature and which don't.

tdhurst
Jul 26, 2012, 07:29 PM
Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was unavailable. Apparently Apple is trying the same trick they did with mobile devices. AirPlay is unavailable for an Macbook purchased before 2011. What a joke!!!!

Maybe Apple should lower the price for those of us with order Mac since they want to sell us a stripped down version of ML.

That's not the definition of a scam. Nowhere close.

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Airparrot can do, Apple cannot do it?
Apple becomes a desperate liar and a sign of decline of an empire that was built on close borders and exclusivity. We had quite a few of those in human history

AirParrot barely works, and not well.

mic j
Jul 26, 2012, 07:41 PM
For me Air Parrot works great on my machine in 1080p. What I do to improve performance is first I switch to the discrete graphics card it does not switch automatically. Then I use never sleep to close the lid which turns off the LCD display and allows the graphics card to be dedicated to air parrot.

I set the max fs to 35 and quality to high. I have zero pixilation and zero lag. Now this is what works on my machine and my specs. YMMV but for me to watch say Hulu or other non airplayable content on my tv from my MBP it is a fantastic solution. Add in a BT keyboard and track pad and I never have to go to my computer to change or pause content.
As I said, it needs a multicore mac, which is what you have. It also needs a good wifi system.

I really don't understand why you think the use of the discrete graphics cards helps as AirParrot does not use it, it's totally CPU. I tried that and seen no impact. I worked with AirParrot tech support on the lack of performance and they never suggested using the discrete graphics card.

So all I'm saying is it's not a panacea and it may or may not work for a particular situation. Try it and challenge it before you buy it. And think about it, I know $10 is not a lot of money, but it's 50% of what a whole new OS costs.

marc11
Jul 26, 2012, 07:55 PM
As I said, it needs a multicore mac, which is what you have. It also needs a good wifi system.

I really don't understand why you think the use of the discrete graphics cards helps as AirParrot does not use it, it's totally CPU. I tried that and seen no impact. I worked with AirParrot tech support on the lack of performance and they never suggested using the discrete graphics card.

So all I'm saying is it's not a panacea and it may or may not work for a particular situation. Try it and challenge it before you buy it. And think about it, I know $10 is not a lot of money, but it's 50% of what a whole new OS costs.

Like I said this is what works for me on my set up. Never said it would work for everyone. But many of us with 2010 machines which are multicore but lack quick sync it's an option which for me works well.

As for why I use discrete graphics, well it offered some implement. Could be my imagination or it could be that you do not know everything about how air parrot works right? IMHO using discrete graphics doesn't hurt anything now does it???

I am just saying for many of us with new machines under the right set up it works well. Most of the people complaining about lack of air play mirror support seem to be 2010 owners which are multicores.

No harm in trying it out on ones own to see if works for you instead of just dismissing it because someone on the Internet says it doesn't work....right?

newagemac
Jul 26, 2012, 08:15 PM
Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was unavailable. Apparently Apple is trying the same trick they did with mobile devices. AirPlay is unavailable for an Macbook purchased before 2011. What a joke!!!!

Maybe Apple should lower the price for those of us with order Mac since they want to sell us a stripped down version of ML.

Airparrot works but it uses the CPU so it is slower, laggier, uses more battery, creates more heat, and likely kicks your fans into higher gear. Apple's Airplay implementation instead uses hardware acceleration from the GPU through Intel's new Quick Sync technology. Intel's Quick Sync technology is only available on Sandy Bridge architecture and up so Macs without Sandy Bridge hardware is not supported.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_Video

As for why mobile devices support Airplay mirroring, you will have to ask Intel why they are behind ARM in supporting hardware accelerated on-GPU h.264 decoding. iPhones and iPads don't use Intel processors, they use ARM.

swingerofbirch
Jul 26, 2012, 08:16 PM
I was aware of this, but I had read quite a bit about it after my experience buying a current generation iPod touch which does not do AirPlay mirroring with my current generation Apple TV. Both are current generation and don't support this big feature. Also, some bug in either iOS or the Apple TV has made it so none of our family's iOS devices can use AirPlay with Apple TV anymore (not AirPlay mirroring, but whatever you call the other type where you send just a video). I wonder if Macs not supported for AirPlay mirroring can at least do what the unsupported iPod touch is supposed to be able to do, which is to send individual videos or songs?

rocknblogger
Jul 26, 2012, 08:22 PM
Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was unavailable. Apparently Apple is trying the same trick they did with mobile devices. AirPlay is unavailable for an Macbook purchased before 2011. What a joke!!!!

Maybe Apple should lower the price for those of us with order Mac since they want to sell us a stripped down version of ML.

What a puttz!!! Does the research after purchase :rolleyes:

I normally don't bash anyone but this is deserving. If that was the primary reason for upgrading I would certainly check and make sure all my hardware supports it.

EvilShenaniganZ
Jul 26, 2012, 08:24 PM
Everyone please research before blindly downloading something. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was was unavailable. Apparently I can't read or search to see if something is stated to not work on older systems due to the ability to compress video on your device's actual graphic chips without calling upon the CPU. :rolleyes:
Google it will/can save you $20..

Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was unavailable. Apparently Apple is trying the same trick they did with mobile devices. AirPlay is unavailable for an Macbook purchased before 2011. What a joke!!!!

Maybe Apple should lower the price for those of us with order Mac since they want to sell us a stripped down version of ML.

maturola
Jul 26, 2012, 09:57 PM
You need to stop bashing others. Apparently, regular, "non-hardcore" consumers don't know much about the specs or requirements. Even if it was DISPLAYED on the website, shoot, there are people who might miss it. For all I know, you might be responding to an old lady. Cut some slack.

I did not bash anyone, and i don't do that, starting a threat calling a feature a "scam" because the user cannot read it just wrong. the OP is free to complaint if he doesn't like something on the OS or device, but calling a SCAM is just pushing the line.

alFR
Jul 27, 2012, 01:37 AM
Airparrot can do, Apple cannot do it?
Apple becomes a desperate liar and a sign of decline of an empire that was built on close borders and exclusivity. We had quite a few of those in human history

Chris, maybe time to stop trolling, eh?

Yes, Airparrot can do it. However, as has been stated many times on these boards, while it works it doesn't work well. Apple state the system requirements for the feature on their website. How is that lying? And as for Apple's decline, they just posted another record quarter's results. I'll take that sort of decline any day.

koban4max
Jul 27, 2012, 02:32 AM
Just for fun...So if I go into buy a car and I'm looking for a 6 cylinder and I don't read the sticker on the window (which clearly states it's a 4 cylinder), when I get home, I lift the lid and get upset because it is missing 2 cylinders, should I go on the autodialer forum and accuse them of pulling a scam?;)

.....lol......

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I did not bash anyone, and i don't do that, starting a threat calling a feature a "scam" because the user cannot read it just wrong. the OP is free to complaint if he doesn't like something on the OS or device, but calling a SCAM is just pushing the line.

That's his belief/perspective.. so let it be.

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They should know. Isn't being an educated consumer part of life?
The MacBook he or she has I assume is connected to the "internet" as he / she was able to post here and all the answers are only a search away :)

lol. That's his life...not yours or mine. LOL>:D

maturola
Jul 27, 2012, 08:17 AM
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So it is my post as it is mine opinion so "let it be".... ;)

HipHopTrex
Jul 27, 2012, 11:14 AM
1. If you look at my specs you will see I also have a mid-2009 MPB. So your definition of "works" must be a lot less stringent than mine. Works for me means it plays without jidder. I just updated to the new AirParrot version and tried to watch Olympic soccer. It was studdery and pixelated...just not watchable IMO.
2. What's the point of AirParrot for home use? Do you just want to see your desktop?
3. I convert all my movies to mp4. I have not upgraded to ML so I'm not whining and am not whining and crying about it. I have known for good while that ML would not have mirroring for my MBP and if you look at some of my posts you will see that I have tried to educate others on that.

What I am trying to do is to dispel the myth that AirParrot is a substitute for AirPlay. It's plainly not. But it may have some use in presentation setting, which is what it was originally designed for, but not much beyond that. And if you read my other posts, you will see what I do recommend is that people try the trial version and really really put it through it's paces prior to buying it. Try flash video, try mkv's. And if they find it's output usable...buy it for God's sake. That's it. Sorry if I offended you.
Let me say I'm sorry for being an ass.

But I've rarely had heating issues with Airparrot. From stuff as small Youtubes or college humor to show off to friends. Or stuff as long as a few episodes of HIMYM, or an Episode of Dexter. I've never had issues with it lagging or looking pixelated. The heating issue I can understand, but I've honest to god never had it look laggy or pixelated or the sound be off.

2. It's for when I haven't downloaded videos. Like I said before, I'm generally a converter time. The loss of perfect MKV from transferring it to MP4, has never bothered me in the slightest. So that's why. It's also nice to show off pictures that aren't in my photo stream as well as videos. It's also helped give a presentation before in class because my university is equipped with appleTVs in some class rooms.

As for 3. i totally thought you were the OP. Which is entirely my fault, and I'm quite sorry about that. I have no idea why I thought you were, but that's all I can say. Like I said before I just like airparrot, it does it's job, it's not perfect. but for me it works, and at a decent rate. Would I prefer AirPlay on a new mac? Well I think we both would. :) But unfortunately we're stuck here, so I was just trying to help the OP, and perhaps inform others of the app.

whooleytoo
Jul 27, 2012, 12:25 PM
The one criticism I would level - Apple doesn't really help the situation by their model naming convention.

Even as a fairly longterm & devout Mac fan, I wouldn't know whether or not my MacBook Pro is an "Early 2011". That's not written on the device, System Profiler just tells me it's a "MacBookPro6,2", but I still had to search Everymac.com to find out the release date for that model. I could see a lot of people being caught out like that.

There goes the one feature that I wanted in Mountain Lion. Oh well. :)

TannerH
Jul 27, 2012, 02:52 PM
Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it. To my amazement after purchasing the upgrade to ML today, the AirPlay feature I was looking forward to more than any other was unavailable. Apparently Apple is trying the same trick they did with mobile devices. AirPlay is unavailable for an Macbook purchased before 2011. What a joke!!!!

Maybe Apple should lower the price for those of us with order Mac since they want to sell us a stripped down version of ML.

You do understand that your product eventually becomes obsolete, right? Eventually, the technology inside the computer won't be good enough for the new software features.

And, as for a lower price point, how is $19.99 too much to ask for? Especially after Leopard was $129.99, Snow Leopard was $29.99, and Lion was $29.99?

mic j
Jul 27, 2012, 04:08 PM
Let me say I'm sorry for being an ass.

But I've rarely had heating issues with Airparrot. From stuff as small Youtubes or college humor to show off to friends. Or stuff as long as a few episodes of HIMYM, or an Episode of Dexter. I've never had issues with it lagging or looking pixelated. The heating issue I can understand, but I've honest to god never had it look laggy or pixelated or the sound be off.

2. It's for when I haven't downloaded videos. Like I said before, I'm generally a converter time. The loss of perfect MKV from transferring it to MP4, has never bothered me in the slightest. So that's why. It's also nice to show off pictures that aren't in my photo stream as well as videos. It's also helped give a presentation before in class because my university is equipped with appleTVs in some class rooms.

As for 3. i totally thought you were the OP. Which is entirely my fault, and I'm quite sorry about that. I have no idea why I thought you were, but that's all I can say. Like I said before I just like airparrot, it does it's job, it's not perfect. but for me it works, and at a decent rate. Would I prefer AirPlay on a new mac? Well I think we both would. :) But unfortunately we're stuck here, so I was just trying to help the OP, and perhaps inform others of the app.

Can't we just all get along?....of course we can.:):) I understand you and some other are satisfied with the AirParrot product.

But I do feel at least a little vindication for my feeling about the product from this article:

http://www.appletvhacks.net/2012/07/27/why-youll-need-a-new-mac-to-use-airplay-mirroring-in-mountain-lion/#more-2889

alexreich
Jul 28, 2012, 02:21 AM
There's no scam here. If you can't read about an OS and it's features (as well as which devices get what features), that's your fault.

A moderator needs to change the title of this thread because it is completely misleading to other Mac users.

animatedude
Jul 28, 2012, 11:02 AM
The one criticism I would level - Apple doesn't really help the situation by their model naming convention.

Even as a fairly longterm & devout Mac fan, I wouldn't know whether or not my MacBook Pro is an "Early 2011". That's not written on the device, System Profiler just tells me it's a "MacBookPro6,2", but I still had to search Everymac.com to find out the release date for that model. I could see a lot of people being caught out like that.

There goes the one feature that I wanted in Mountain Lion. Oh well. :)

Finder/about this Mac/more info

under the name of your Mac it says what is it, example it says "Mac Mini" then "mid 2010".

Mr. Retrofire
Jul 28, 2012, 11:43 AM
Everyone please be aware that if you are planning on purchasing ML (Mountain Lion) for the Airplay feature like I did make sure your Mac supports it.
Has nothing to do with your Mac. It is a processor feature (Quick Sync support). The processors in Macs come from Intel, not Apple.

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come on people think about it here, its not a hardware issue at all, if a mobile phone can "airplay" I'm pretty sure a 2010 MBP running a i5 and 4gb ram with wireless N can do it.
Wrong. The iPhone 4S and iPad 2 and higher have special hardware units for H.264 encoding/decoding, which makes AirPlay possible.

OW22
Jul 28, 2012, 03:02 PM
It's not a scam of course but it's been dreadfully handled by Apple. It has not been clearly labelled on the Mountain Lion info page in the AirPlay info feature. No asterisk, note, nothing to say It wont work on pre Mid-2011 iMacs. The info that is clearly seen is to do with basic requirements for upgrading to ML.

Look at the Apple Discussions page, there are 40+ pages of cheesed off people. It's only 20 bucks but it's not the point. Many have obtained refunds.

It's been very badly handled by Apple. And please don't lecture people on not Hunting down the specs which are not clearly displayed on the ML info page. They clearly state the Facebook integration won't happen until autumn so why not clearly state the facts on AirPlay?

Poor show Apple

marcre
Jul 29, 2012, 04:28 PM
Maybe it's been posted or mentioned, but why won't it work on older machines. I have an iMac from 2008 and don't get why it can't handle this feature.

Can someone enlighten me?

I'm not upset and will still get ML, but I really wanted to use this feature. I was a little hocked to learn this.

hallux
Jul 29, 2012, 04:52 PM
Maybe it's been posted or mentioned, but why won't it work on older machines. I have an iMac from 2008 and don't get why it can't handle this feature.

Can someone enlighten me?

I'm not upset and will still get ML, but I really wanted to use this feature. I was a little hocked to learn this.

Read the thread you just posted in (this one), the technical reasons are spelled out. In short, it requires a feature set not available until the SandyBridge CPUs were released.

marcre
Jul 29, 2012, 05:20 PM
Read the thread you just posted in (this one), the technical reasons are spelled out. In short, it requires a feature set not available until the SandyBridge CPUs were released.

Cool, thanks. Makes sense.

62tele
Jul 29, 2012, 07:31 PM
Just for fun...So if I go into buy a car and I'm looking for a 6 cylinder and I don't read the sticker on the window (which clearly states it's a 4 cylinder), when I get home, I lift the lid and get upset because it is missing 2 cylinders, should I go on the autodialer forum and accuse them of pulling a scam?;)

This is horse hockey. Cars are not like computers and consumer awareness is not as great with computers/software. The average consumer sees Apple's promotion of ML AirPlay as a great feature and doesn't necessarily read spec requirements. It would be reasonable to assume that a Mac purchased in Jan 2011 would fully run ML released within 18 months. I was disappointed as well but ML is still a great upgrade for $20.

whooleytoo
Jul 30, 2012, 06:30 AM
Finder/about this Mac/more info

under the name of your Mac it says what is it, example it says "Mac Mini" then "mid 2010".

It's not showing anything like that for me. My personal Mac's name is written at top left (e.g. "whooleytoo's MacBook Pro") and the Model Name and Model Identifier are on the right-hand side (MacBook Pro, and MacBookPro6,2).

It might be different with different System Profilers/OS X versions.

Ap0ks
Jul 30, 2012, 07:06 AM
It's not showing anything like that for me. My personal Mac's name is written at top left (e.g. "whooleytoo's MacBook Pro") and the Model Name and Model Identifier are on the right-hand side (MacBook Pro, and MacBookPro6,2).

It might be different with different System Profilers/OS X versions.I'm pretty sure they only added the newer style info panel in Lion, so in versions prior to that, you're correct it would be difficult to tell exactly which model you had.

animatedude
Jul 30, 2012, 08:54 AM
It's not showing anything like that for me. My personal Mac's name is written at top left (e.g. "whooleytoo's MacBook Pro") and the Model Name and Model Identifier are on the right-hand side (MacBook Pro, and MacBookPro6,2).

It might be different with different System Profilers/OS X versions.

share a pic please

whooleytoo
Jul 30, 2012, 09:12 AM
I'm pretty sure they only added the newer style info panel in Lion, so in versions prior to that, you're correct it would be difficult to tell exactly which model you had.

Ah, that's likely it; thanks. I'm on Snow Leopard.

throAU
Jul 30, 2012, 09:18 AM
come on people think about it here, its not a hardware issue at all, if a mobile phone can "airplay" I'm pretty sure a 2010 MBP running a i5 and 4gb ram with wireless N can do it.

My HTC one X can mirror its screen over DLNA and play FULL HD files on the phone and to a tv at the same time, so really guys i doubt its a hardware issue.

The mobile devices have hardware support for h.264 transcoding. as do the core I series.

the core 2 cpu does not, thus, it needs to use software to do it. Airplay mirroring on my i7 uses maybe 3-4 percent CPU.

Trying to do full HD on-the-fly transcoding without hardware support would use 30-40x that amount of CPU power on a core 2 (guestimation, based on the speed up of ~30x going from software AES enycrption to hardware AES on the core I series). Having read about other's experience with airparrot (fans, lag, heat, etc), i'd suggest that is in the ballpark.


Apple decided that trying to do this on a core 2 was not worth it, and not practical, especially if say, you were trying to do it whilst on battery (like, oh i don't know - you take your mac into the boardroom/living room/etc, place it on the desk and want to stream from it to an apple TV without being tethered to AC). Your battery would drain within 40 minutes or so.

If you want to try it, use airparrot.

Engan
Jul 30, 2012, 10:05 AM
I can't get the MirrorPlay feature to work. The icon dosen't appear in the menubar in my mac.
I have the new Macbook Pro Retina, with Mountain Lion installed.
I also have a Apple TV (2nd gen), running version 4.3.

Maybe it's the version of the Apple TV that is old, but I don't really want to update (for diffrent reasons. :) ). Can anyone confirm this?
Do I need a newer firmware to get this feature to work or not?

heisenberg123
Jul 30, 2012, 10:32 AM
I can't get the MirrorPlay feature to work. The icon dosen't appear in the menubar in my mac.
I have the new Macbook Pro Retina, with Mountain Lion installed.
I also have a Apple TV (2nd gen), running version 4.3.

Maybe it's the version of the Apple TV that is old, but I don't really want to update (for diffrent reasons. :) ). Can anyone confirm this?
Do I need a newer firmware to get this feature to work or not?

you will need to update the ATV software but dont worry you can still jailbreak it ;)