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MacRumors
Jul 26, 2012, 05:10 PM
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The plethora of court cases between Apple and other companies over trademarks, design decisions, and patents have only occasionally offered anything of interest to the average observer. Today, however, The Verge has dug up a treasure trove of images (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3190849/court-documents-reveal-multiple-ipad-iphone-prototypes-kickstand) of early iPhone and iPad prototypes.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/NewImage30.png


Early designs include an eight-sided iPhone (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3191793/apple-iphone-prototype-pictures#3597770) with diagonal corners, early Sony-inspired designs (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189309/apple-sony-iphone-design-inspiration-iphone-4-looked-old), and another model that has the same aluminum-based design (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189305/2006-iphone-prototype-images#3597478) as the old iPod Mini.
Of particular note are multiple iterations of the iPad featuring different types of kickstands, what appears to be a 16:9 model with wide handles on either side, and an eight-sided iPhone with diagonal corners. Also of interest is a slim, sleek iPhone prototype labeled the N90. The N90 was widely believed to be the codename for the iPhone 4, and while this narrow device definitely bear some aesthetic similarities to Apple's glass-and-metal design, this variant appears to feature a much smaller screen.http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/NewImage31.png


One Sony-inspired design from 2006, which bears a "JONY" logo in honor of Apple chief designer Jonathan Ive (http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/jonathan-ive.html), looks strikingly similar (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189297/sony-inspired-iphone-design-images#3597459) to the iPhone 4 that debuted years later.

The Verge has a number of other images (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189309/apple-sony-iphone-design-inspiration-iphone-4-looked-old) scattered across two different posts (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3190849/court-documents-reveal-multiple-ipad-iphone-prototypes-kickstand). They're worth a look.

Article Link: Samsung v. Apple Trial Documents Reveal Early iPhone and iPad Prototypes (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/26/samsung-v-apple-trial-documents-reveal-early-iphone-and-ipad-prototypes/)



SandboxGeneral
Jul 26, 2012, 05:11 PM
Glad those designs didn't make the cut!

Dewroo
Jul 26, 2012, 05:11 PM
Some of these designs are incredibleeee

SPNarwhal
Jul 26, 2012, 05:12 PM
I actually really like both of those designs. Especially the one that looks like an iPod Mini.

iAppl3Fan
Jul 26, 2012, 05:13 PM
Those look hideous. I'm glad they didn't make the cut otherwise I may not have owned the original one....lol

barberio
Jul 26, 2012, 05:13 PM
But "The iphone design is obvious!", so why on earth are there all these alternative design prototypes... I mean, it's not like they took a long time on working out the exact way a phone like this should look, because that would mean the design patent might be a valid use of the patent system. :rolleyes:

nickn
Jul 26, 2012, 05:14 PM
So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

street.cory
Jul 26, 2012, 05:14 PM
I hope Jony Ive doesn't go anywhere. I've thoroughly enjoyed his designs throughout the years.

Reach9
Jul 26, 2012, 05:14 PM
Waiting to see if Sony sues Apple for using their logo!

Sixtafoua
Jul 26, 2012, 05:15 PM
Love the 8-sided design. It would work great with a 4+ inch screen.

andylyon
Jul 26, 2012, 05:15 PM
The one on the right reminds me of the recent Nokia Lumia's!

harley3k
Jul 26, 2012, 05:16 PM
The one on the right looks like the new Nokia...

Er I guess the new Nokia looks like the old iPod Mini.

Never noticed that before.

dscuber9000
Jul 26, 2012, 05:21 PM
Waiting to see if Sony sues Apple for using their logo!

Apple's not allowed to Photoshop?

Capt Underpants
Jul 26, 2012, 05:28 PM
We hit the jackpot today! A rare glimpse inside Apple's design process.

Konrad9
Jul 26, 2012, 05:28 PM
Ah yes, the Battlestar Galactica version of the iPhone.

aricher
Jul 26, 2012, 05:29 PM
The 8-sided one looks a bit like the iCoffin:

http://www.amcgltd.com/archives/iCoffin2.jpg

ivladster
Jul 26, 2012, 05:30 PM
So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

Copies Sony? Did you even read the article. It was Apple designer who made that, because they wanted to see what Sony phone might look like back in 2006. It was all part of research. It was inspired by Sony's design ethics, but that's not Sony's product. Read!

barberio
Jul 26, 2012, 05:30 PM
So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

Except the 'Sony' prototype wasn't a copy of any existing Sony-Ericson phone or product. It just took some hints about chrome and black plastic. And I also note that early design was one where they hadn't yet consolidated all front facing buttons into a single home button. It's basically a design excersize of identifying what a touch screen phone of some kind might look like. And that it does not imediately have all the design features of the iPhone is suggestive that those features are non-obvious and worthy of protected design patents and trademarks.

ivladster
Jul 26, 2012, 05:32 PM
Waiting to see if Sony sues Apple for using their logo!

It's an internal court document, why would Sony sue?
People put apple logo all over the place, it doesn't mean Apple has to sue them all. Only when people try to mimic and fool people into thinking it's Apple design when its not, like Samsung.

wkdtime
Jul 26, 2012, 05:32 PM
Interesting, Wonder what else comes out with all these proceedings.

ivladster
Jul 26, 2012, 05:34 PM
Except the 'Sony' prototype wasn't a copy of any existing Sony-Ericson phone or product. It just took some hints about chrome and black plastic. And I also note that early design was one where they hadn't yet consolidated all front facing buttons into a single home button. It's basically a design excersize of identifying what a touch screen phone of some kind might look like. And that it does not imediately have all the design features of the iPhone is suggestive that those features are non-obvious and worthy of protected design patents and trademarks.

Which makes a great argument in the court.

east85
Jul 26, 2012, 05:35 PM
Thank god we never got a "menu" button.

Serelus
Jul 26, 2012, 05:39 PM
I actually really like both of those designs. Especially the one that looks like an iPod Mini.

So buy A nokia lumia.

adildacoolset
Jul 26, 2012, 05:49 PM
Thank god we never got a "menu" button.

Funny enough, if it WAS included, we'd have a "thank god we never got that ugly rounded square"

pgiguere1
Jul 26, 2012, 05:53 PM
So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

"Blatantly copies"?

Did you read the article?

The design was made by Apple, not Sony, they just decided to put a Sony logo on the concept image to imagine what a nice looking Sony phone would look like. It was just Jony Ive having a little fun, those were not meant to be publicly shown originally.

Sony smartphones from 2006 looked like this:

http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/se-p990/gsmarena_ofic002.jpg

Caliber26
Jul 26, 2012, 05:56 PM
The OCTOPHONE!!!

achtung!
Jul 26, 2012, 05:57 PM
But "The iphone design is obvious!", so why on earth are there all these alternative design prototypes... I mean, it's not like they took a long time on working out the exact way a phone like this should look, because that would mean the design patent might be a valid use of the patent system. :rolleyes:

clearly you are not aware of the design process. the "obvious" is the purest and simplest solution. it may sound very simple if you reduce the design process to draw a rectangle with tapered edges and that's it. but thats just silly. to achieve the essence of a product, you could take months or years of R&D, and you may never get there. designing a good product is about focusing on what is crucial, making compromises, testing and, eventually, you'll end up with an "obvious" solution.
but trust me, it's only obvious when you get there! ;)

AngerDanger
Jul 26, 2012, 05:59 PM
I can imagine Jony Ive's voice as he introduces that prototype: "Until now, people have—albeit inadvertently—associated octagons with authority and restriction. But what we've done is almost mentally rebrand the octagon as something that is really wonderful and liberating. And the end result is practically cathartic."

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2253/octophone.png

(I photoshopped/rendered something from this image (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--yWxs0pVTko/Tck-d4TzGdI/AAAAAAAAAGw/wkfmG_TjIh8/s320/Jonathan+Ive.jpg) to really drive the point home)

Carl Sagan
Jul 26, 2012, 06:05 PM
Amazing that they basically had the iPhone 4 design in 2006 but decided to release a lesser design for the original iPhone (and 3G/ 3GS) in 2007...

NAG
Jul 26, 2012, 06:05 PM
Ah yes, the Battlestar Galactica version of the iPhone.

They should do that for the new iPhone. Of course, they'd need to change Siri to pulsing red instead of purple.

cwwilson
Jul 26, 2012, 06:12 PM
Always enjoy looking at old prototypes. It's fun to see what we could have ended up with but most of the time I'm glad we didn't. That iPod mini one is hideous. The otco one really isn't that bad when you think about it, that could have been the one to become the 3G, following up the original iPhone. But it was the right move to keep that one stillborn.

skorpien
Jul 26, 2012, 06:16 PM
clearly you are not aware of the design process. the "obvious" is the purest and simplest solution. it may sound very simple if you reduce the design process to draw a rectangle with tapered edges and that's it. but thats just silly. to achieve the essence of a product, you could take months or years of R&D, and you may never get there. designing a good product is about focusing on what is crucial, making compromises, testing and, eventually, you'll end up with an "obvious" solution.
but trust me, it's only obvious when you get there! ;)

"Obvious"ly, the sarcasm in that comment was lost on you. They're saying if it's so obvious, why did Apple have to have so many prototype designs to get to it, thus deflating Samsung's argument that they "didn't copy Apple since the design was so obvious."

/dev/toaster
Jul 26, 2012, 06:18 PM
Anyone notice the 2006 prototype has widget icons ?

Translation
Unit conversation
Tile game
Flight tracker

That yellow one looks very familiar, like maybe an older one.

DockMac
Jul 26, 2012, 06:19 PM
Amazing that they basically had the iPhone 4 design in 2006 but decided to release a lesser design for the original iPhone (and 3G/ 3GS) in 2007...

My guess is that the antenna wasn't technologically feasible at that point.

cwwilson
Jul 26, 2012, 06:21 PM
Anyone notice the 2006 prototype has widget icons ?

Translation
Unit conversation
Tile game
Flight tracker

That yellow one looks very familiar, like maybe an older one.

Yellow pages?

Technarchy
Jul 26, 2012, 06:21 PM
So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

Read it again and this time pay attention.

The last thing the internet needs is a group of people with poor reading comprehension skills running around saying Apple copied Sony.

dru`
Jul 26, 2012, 06:28 PM
So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

You do understand that was an internal prototype, right? It wasn't for shipping, it was for study. GROW UP!

Carl Sagan
Jul 26, 2012, 06:40 PM
My guess is that the antenna wasn't technologically feasible at that point.

Yep, wasn't a criticism, reckon the glass front and back wasn't worked out back then either. But it's clear the 4/4S was the iPhone Apple wanted to make going by these images...

Technarchy
Jul 26, 2012, 06:47 PM
Yep, wasn't a criticism, reckon the glass front and back wasn't worked out back then either. But it's clear the 4/4S was the iPhone Apple wanted to make going by these images...

Hmm, maybe Apple thought the 4S was far too elaborate and expensive for the first generation and opted for something "safer", cheaper and simpler to manufacturer.

A 4/4S might have been too cost or resources prohibitive for an out the gate endeavor.

dba415
Jul 26, 2012, 06:58 PM
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4806577/sony_inspired_iphone_prototypes18_1020_gallery_post.jpg

So this is Apple designed, but has Sony on it, and looks almost entirely like an iPhone 4.

If Apple "drew inspiration" from Sony for this, so when people say Sony copied the iPhone 4's design with the Vita, Sony can say that they basically just "drew inspiration" from Sony's own devices.

iMikeT
Jul 26, 2012, 07:16 PM
Some of these designs are potential hits and others are clear misses but I'm glad to have seen them.

From a design perspective, I really appreciate having seen these documents. It gives me an insight into how much work and literally "returning to the drawing board" a product can undergo in the design process.

Judas1
Jul 26, 2012, 07:27 PM
I've always thought that the 4 and 4s resembled something that Sony would design because of the chrome and industrial look. Its good to see that Ives thought the same.

AnonMac50
Jul 26, 2012, 07:39 PM
Funny enough, if it WAS included, we'd have a "thank god we never got that ugly rounded square"

Not if someone didn't read English. :p

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I notice that in all the pictures they are using Snow Leopard. Also the ones with AutoDesk Alias.

skunnykart
Jul 26, 2012, 07:39 PM
Amazing that they basically had the iPhone 4 design in 2006 but decided to release a lesser design for the original iPhone (and 3G/ 3GS) in 2007...

If Apple used that design for the original iPhone, LG Prada would have sued. That is why the design was delayed till 2010 when everybody had forgotten about some silly Asian company that knows nothing about style (sarcasm).

alfistas
Jul 26, 2012, 07:48 PM
http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/NewImage30.png

Hey LOOK!!! This must be the iPhone Battlestar Galactica Edition!!! Frackin Hell I WANT ONE!!!:D

Renzatic
Jul 26, 2012, 07:52 PM
The last thing the internet needs is a group of people with poor reading comprehension skills running around saying Apple copied Sony.

Yeah, we've already got enough people doing that with Apple vs. everyone else. It's intolerable as is.

lunarworks
Jul 26, 2012, 07:58 PM
Amazing that they basically had the iPhone 4 design in 2006 but decided to release a lesser design for the original iPhone (and 3G/ 3GS) in 2007...

It's a long road from "nice looking render" to something you can successfully manufacture.

kockgunner
Jul 26, 2012, 08:34 PM
But "The iphone design is obvious!", so why on earth are there all these alternative design prototypes... I mean, it's not like they took a long time on working out the exact way a phone like this should look, because that would mean the design patent might be a valid use of the patent system. :rolleyes:

Only people who haven't had to design anything before thinks design is easy.

rjohnstone
Jul 26, 2012, 08:34 PM
Love the 8-sided design. It would work great with a 4+ inch screen.

The OCTOPHONE!!!

They should do that for the new iPhone. Of course, they'd need to change Siri to pulsing red instead of purple.

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/NewImage30.png)

Hey LOOK!!! This must be the iPhone Battlestar Galactica Edition!!! Frackin Hell I WANT ONE!!!:D

Looks like the Motorola Photon 4G.
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/motorola-photon-4G_1.jpg

chagla
Jul 26, 2012, 08:50 PM
Looks like the Motorola Photon 4G.



thank you for posting that. will people now believe that others can design independently? despite of having 8 edges, the overall basic shape is still a rectangle. as it has always been for nearly 99% of handsets. same goes for tablets. albeit different dimensions of course. after all how different could an object look if it is to maintain rectangular shape? so i have difficulty understanding when people say iphone is copied by company X. i mean, copy exactly what? the shape? the color? is only apple allowed to make rectangular shaped phones and tablets now? it's very easy to accuse (such generalization) but harder to defend with specific examples.

Saladinos
Jul 26, 2012, 09:11 PM
clearly you are not aware of the design process. the "obvious" is the purest and simplest solution. it may sound very simple if you reduce the design process to draw a rectangle with tapered edges and that's it. but thats just silly. to achieve the essence of a product, you could take months or years of R&D, and you may never get there. designing a good product is about focusing on what is crucial, making compromises, testing and, eventually, you'll end up with an "obvious" solution.
but trust me, it's only obvious when you get there! ;)

Pure and simple solutions are only obvious after they're thought of.

Thex1138
Jul 26, 2012, 09:32 PM
Would have been very interesting...

Don't be surprised if other companies garnish some design from these prototypes in the next year or two... ;-)
:apple:

Rogifan
Jul 26, 2012, 09:44 PM
Can someone explain why all this stuff being released is good for Apple? Is this suit really worth all these prototypes being made public? :confused:

HangmanSwingset
Jul 26, 2012, 09:44 PM
The one on the right looks like the new Nokia...

Er I guess the new Nokia looks like the old iPod Mini.

Never noticed that before.

Honestly when I saw the Lumia 800 I compared it to the 6th gen iPod nano.

Rogifan
Jul 26, 2012, 09:45 PM
So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

What Sony device Apple blatantly copy?

HangmanSwingset
Jul 26, 2012, 09:49 PM
Waiting to see if Sony sues Apple for using their logo!

So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

That doesn't even make sense. They didn't put it on the commercial product. And on top of that it doesn't even resemble any type of Sony product of the time.
Any company could very well have a male reproductive organ stamped on early prototypes that never see the light of day if they wanted to. Doesn't make the finished product inappropriate.

Thex1138
Jul 26, 2012, 09:50 PM
Are pre-iPhone 2G
So there are definitely designs that were explored after the 2G was released which explore iPhone design refinement further.
:apple:

Rogifan
Jul 26, 2012, 09:55 PM
Image (http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4806577/sony_inspired_iphone_prototypes18_1020_gallery_post.jpg)

So this is Apple designed, but has Sony on it, and looks almost entirely like an iPhone 4.

If Apple "drew inspiration" from Sony for this, so when people say Sony copied the iPhone 4's design with the Vita, Sony can say that they basically just "drew inspiration" from Sony's own devices.

There's a difference between drawing inspiration and copying. Has Samsung ever said the original Galaxy S was inspired by Apple? All I've seen are alleged internal communications at Samsung where they did worry that the design might too closely resemble Apple's.

Swordylove
Jul 26, 2012, 11:26 PM
The one with the previous-gen-iPod-nano-like design looks pretty sweet.

arjaosx
Jul 26, 2012, 11:35 PM
Sony has always been looked up to by Apple in terms of design. I saw a keynote of the aluminium Macbook before where SJ even said, "We love Sony" and the story about Apple running OSX on a vaio laptop when they transitione to Intel.

I have reason to believe that Apple and Sony have a good relationship. Samsung is rather different.

kalsta
Jul 26, 2012, 11:44 PM
Remember all those threads where people defended the cheaper glass back on the iPhone, saying if you accidentally drop your phone you must just be a careless idiot who doesn't look after their belongings? Looks like those careless idiots at Apple have been playing with iPad prototypes again…

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4809056/2012-07-26VERGE-2_gallery_post.jpg

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4808779/2012-07-26VERGE-3_gallery_post.jpg

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Sony has always been looked up to by Apple in terms of design. I saw a keynote of the aluminium Macbook before where SJ even said, "We love Sony" and the story about Apple running OSX on a vaio laptop when they transitione to Intel.

I have reason to believe that Apple and Sony have a good relationship. Samsung is rather different.

Jobs admired Sony. Then Apple killed the Walkman. I'm not so sure Sony enjoys the relationship.

G51989
Jul 26, 2012, 11:51 PM
Image (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/26/samsung-v-apple-trial-documents-reveal-early-iphone-and-ipad-prototypes/)


The plethora of court cases between Apple and other companies over trademarks, design decisions, and patents have only occasionally offered anything of interest to the average observer. Today, however, The Verge has dug up a treasure trove of images (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3190849/court-documents-reveal-multiple-ipad-iphone-prototypes-kickstand) of early iPhone and iPad prototypes.

Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/NewImage30.png)


Early designs include an eight-sided iPhone (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3191793/apple-iphone-prototype-pictures#3597770) with diagonal corners, early Sony-inspired designs (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189309/apple-sony-iphone-design-inspiration-iphone-4-looked-old), and another model that has the same aluminum-based design (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189305/2006-iphone-prototype-images#3597478) as the old iPod Mini.
Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/07/NewImage31.png)


One Sony-inspired design from 2006, which bears a "JONY" logo in honor of Apple chief designer Jonathan Ive (http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/jonathan-ive.html), looks strikingly similar (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189297/sony-inspired-iphone-design-images#3597459) to the iPhone 4 that debuted years later.

The Verge has a number of other images (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189309/apple-sony-iphone-design-inspiration-iphone-4-looked-old) scattered across two different posts (http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3190849/court-documents-reveal-multiple-ipad-iphone-prototypes-kickstand). They're worth a look.

Article Link: Samsung v. Apple Trial Documents Reveal Early iPhone and iPad Prototypes (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/26/samsung-v-apple-trial-documents-reveal-early-iphone-and-ipad-prototypes/)

I love that iPod mini phone, that thing is much better than the 4, looks wise anyway

Savor
Jul 26, 2012, 11:51 PM
Sony has always been looked up to by Apple in terms of design. I saw a keynote of the aluminium Macbook before where SJ even said, "We love Sony" and the story about Apple running OSX on a vaio laptop when they transitione to Intel.

I have reason to believe that Apple and Sony have a good relationship. Samsung is rather different. It feels bittersweet to watch Sony fallen off and lost their way. For pretty much from the 1980's and 1990's, Sony was what Apple and Samsung are today. People easily forget the innovation Sony brought to this world. Even Steve Jobs wore turtlenecks which drew inspiration from Sony's company-wide uniforms. Or how fascinated SJ was when he saw the first Walkman.

But until July 1, 1979, the day the Walkman went on sale in Japan, people had no concept of portable music--not the kind that Sony offered. Until that day, portable music mostly meant holding a transistor radio up to your ear.

The Walkman dazzled.

Count Steve Jobs among the most impressed, according to John Sculley, Apple's former CEO.

"We used to go visit [Sony founder] Akio Morita and he had really the same kind of high-end standards that Steve did and respect for beautiful products," Sculley said in an excellent interview with Leander Kahney of the Cult of Mac blog. "I remember Akio Morita gave Steve and me each one of the first Sony Walkmans. None of us had ever seen anything like that before because there had never been a product like that...Steve was fascinated by it. The first thing he did with his was take it apart and he looked at every single part. How the fit and finish was done, how it was built."

Hetman
Jul 26, 2012, 11:54 PM
Ah yes, the Battlestar Galactica version of the iPhone.

yeah and the start screen would look a little like this maybe? Starbuck would have had one for sure.

G51989
Jul 26, 2012, 11:59 PM
It feels bittersweet to watch Sony fallen off and lost their way. For pretty much from the 1980's and 1990's, Sony was what Apple and Samsung are today. People easily forget the innovation Sony brought to this world. Even Steve Jobs wore turtlenecks which drew inspiration from Sony's company-wide uniforms. Or how fascinated SJ was when he saw the first Walkman.

Sony isn't doing to hot right now, but lets be honest. its sony, they'll be back again.

Sony might follow what Happened to Microsoft, Microsoft never saw the massive losses Sony is now, but Microsoft went into a rut in the late 90s/early 00s.

But now look at Microsoft, they make incredible innovative software/OS's/great consoles, and what looks to be an awesome tablet.

I could see Sony making a big comeback.

Fandongo
Jul 27, 2012, 12:18 AM
I can't believe they wrote "menu" on the button.
I guess "This is the button" didn't fit.

AngerDanger
Jul 27, 2012, 12:47 AM
Amazing that they basically had the iPhone 4 design in 2006 but decided to release a lesser design for the original iPhone (and 3G/ 3GS) in 2007...

I'm willing to bet that it had a lot to do with hardware limitations. In the keynote demoing the original iPhone, Steve said that it was the thinnest smartphone on the market. It would've been crazy (at the time) if that phone was any thinner.

archurban
Jul 27, 2012, 12:48 AM
Apple seems to cross the line bit. they even copied Sony to make prototype early. they won't probably admit what they did. that's why Apple had sued for what Samsung did for Galaxy S3 is totally stupid, energy wasting work. what if Sony would try to do counter sue against Apple? then they will just ignore itself? I don't think so. nowadays, their action about law is pretty ridiculous. they need to think over what they have to do for the future. do you think that Apple will continue to grow without any hit? I am pretty sure that they will become the second MS situation after all. there is no number 1. remember.

dba415
Jul 27, 2012, 01:12 AM
There's a difference between drawing inspiration and copying. Has Samsung ever said the original Galaxy S was inspired by Apple? All I've seen are alleged internal communications at Samsung where they did worry that the design might too closely resemble Apple's.

Here is a Sony Cybershot concept design from 2006 in leaked photos

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2006/12/12/sony-ericsson-cybershot_63.jpg

If I am Sony, I sue apple for copying. The iPhone 4 is almost like this except with a clean back.

The "innovative" design from Apple is nothing more than stealing and copying parts of other company's works. Hypocrites at Apple.

netdoc66
Jul 27, 2012, 01:15 AM
I want one of those. So say we all...:D

fpsBeaTt
Jul 27, 2012, 01:20 AM
Those look hideous. I'm glad they didn't make the cut otherwise I may not have owned the original one....lol

A-huh, sure you wouldn't have... Furthermore, they're not hideous; stop using hyperbole inappropriately, it's annoying.

Savor
Jul 27, 2012, 01:57 AM
But it has been known for years that Steve Jobs wanted to be like Sony. The fact is, nobody can really be truly original. Some people get inspiration from others and improve on those ideas. You build upon the shoulders and backs from the ones that came before you. Sony back in the 80's and 90's is what Apple and Samsung is today. They practically invented the consumer electronic market. Apple always looked up to Sony back then. Even the camera on the 4s is manufactured by Sony. It was Sony that helped improve on the back-illuminated sensors. It is only ironic that Sony Pictures now has the rights to the Steve Jobs movie.

I look at Apple and Samsung has the heirs to Sony's throne now that mighty king has fallen. They are basically the offsprings to Sony in the consumer electronics market just like what Apple and Microsoft were to IBM and HP in the computer industry. Youngsters following into their footsteps. What Sony lacks is software. They are a hardware company at heart. But in today's age, it is becoming more software-driven. Nokia and Motorola were the same way. They were the pioneers of telecommunications. They fell from grace too because they are only good at hardware.

”Steve’s point of reference was Sony at the time. He really wanted to be Sony. He didn’t want to be IBM. He didn’t want to be Microsoft. He wanted to be Sony,” Sculley adds.

Read this article -
http://www.sonyrumors.net/2011/10/11/steve-jobs-wanted-apple-sony/

Watch this video of SJ praising Sony -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=_A3qoyVbbho

kirky29
Jul 27, 2012, 01:58 AM
What's the top green icon? Looks kinda like a video calling icon?

macnerd93
Jul 27, 2012, 02:00 AM
Apple seems to cross the line bit. they even copied Sony to make prototype early. they won't probably admit what they did. that's why Apple had sued for what Samsung did for Galaxy S3 is totally stupid, energy wasting work. what if Sony would try to do counter sue against Apple? then they will just ignore itself? I don't think so. nowadays, their action about law is pretty ridiculous. they need to think over what they have to do for the future. do you think that Apple will continue to grow without any hit? I am pretty sure that they will become the second MS situation after all. there is no number 1. remember.

LOL some people are just too hilarious. Did you even read the article? The prototype with Sony branding was a research project done by Apple to better understand what a Sony Product could look like from the time 2006, in terms of the materials Sony were already using. The phone was never meant to see the light of day. The sample product was made in-house by Apple and had nothing to do with Sony whatsoever, other than the branding that Apple added themselves. The product by the looks of it, was a non functioning unit and so was just a lump of materials, not actually a phone, hardly a copy.

Macman45
Jul 27, 2012, 02:01 AM
Glad those designs didn't make the cut!

That square design is pig ugly....Let's hope Apple don't go all retro on us and decide to make the 5 look like that..It's a brick.:)

jont-fu
Jul 27, 2012, 02:26 AM
Here is a Sony Cybershot concept design from 2006 in leaked photos

Image (http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2006/12/12/sony-ericsson-cybershot_63.jpg)

If I am Sony, I sue apple for copying. The iPhone 4 is almost like this except with a clean back.

The "innovative" design from Apple is nothing more than stealing and copying parts of other company's works. Hypocrites at Apple.

So maybe that is why Apple waited 4 years before launching the iPhone 4?.. To wait and see if Sony would use their CONCEPT design in a product. Which they apparently did not. The first iPhones look nothing like that Sony concept.

archurban
Jul 27, 2012, 05:24 AM
LOL some people are just too hilarious. Did you even read the article? The prototype with Sony branding was a research project done by Apple to better understand what a Sony Product could look like from the time 2006, in terms of the materials Sony were already using. The phone was never meant to see the light of day. The sample product was made in-house by Apple and had nothing to do with Sony whatsoever, other than the branding that Apple added themselves. The product by the looks of it, was a non functioning unit and so was just a lump of materials, not actually a phone, hardly a copy.

even I didn't read that article fully, there is the reason why this is suddenly popped up around the trouble between Apple and Samsung. do you know why? you don't. don't justify yourself as a fanboy. as a matter of fact, Samsung didn't copy apple barely. I don't see it. it's overwritten from apple in order to protect their ridiculous patents which some of them are not even apple first made.

iMcLovin
Jul 27, 2012, 05:46 AM
this is why consumers are best kept in the dark about the design process that went through when making the products. It shows that even apple has to go through a lot of crap before they find what looks best and that simple design doesn't come at first try, its multiple iterations and tryouts.

Seeing these designs is like seeing an actor/actress without makeup...it kinda ruins the glamour a bit - I rather live in ignorance and denial.

Rogifan
Jul 27, 2012, 06:21 AM
Here is a Sony Cybershot concept design from 2006 in leaked photos

Image (http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2006/12/12/sony-ericsson-cybershot_63.jpg)

If I am Sony, I sue apple for copying. The iPhone 4 is almost like this except with a clean back.

The "innovative" design from Apple is nothing more than stealing and copying parts of other company's works. Hypocrites at Apple.
This is why we need the downvote button back. This is so absurd it really doesn't deserve a response but certainly deserves to be downvoted. :rolleyes:

Timzer
Jul 27, 2012, 07:13 AM
Now that it has been revealed that is was a Japanese Apple designer, who "drew inspiration" from Sony, we can now dispel this ridiculous belief by the blind followers that Apple are completely original and are influenced by nobody but themselves. I find it hilarious that they would copy to the extent of even putting the darn brand name of the company they are copying right on the darn prototype. WOW!
This just proves what many have been saying, everyone copies from everyone. But the difference is, when Apple does it, they call it "being inspired by...'

Straight from TheVerge:

A recent court filing by Samsung reveals that in 2006 Apple industrial designer Shin Nishibori was directed to design an iPhone prototype inspired by Sony's aesthetics after Tony Fadell internally circulated an interview with a designer from the company. An assortment of renders reveal his design, complete with a Sony logo — save for one where the logo has been modified to read "Jony," presumably in honor of Apple's Jony Ive.

Apple designer Richard Howarth took note of the renders, and in a 2006 email told Ive that that he felt the design allowed for a "much smaller-looking product with a much nicer shape" for making calls when compared to another prototype...Howarth comments that Nishibori's Sony-inspired look is "only half a step away" from what is now Cupertino's current model. In an amusing aside, Howard also tells Ive that the iPhone 4 design "looks old" when compared to the P2, but that it would be more usable.

And that particular design, is without a doubt pretty much what you see today as the iPhone 4/4S. Thank You Shin, and Thank You Sony.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4806577/sony_inspired_iphone_prototypes18_1020_gallery_post.jpg

jayducharme
Jul 27, 2012, 07:17 AM
The 8-sided one looks a bit like the iCoffin:


Out of all the designs, that's the one I like the most. The beveling is visually interesting, and it would probably be comfortable to hold.

johnybarkerr
Jul 27, 2012, 07:38 AM
Always enjoy looking at old prototypes. It's fun to see what we could have ended up with but most of the time I'm glad we didn't. That iPod mini one is hideous. The otco one really isn't that bad when you think about it, that could have been the one to become the 3G, following up the original iPhone. But it was the right move to keep that one stillborn.

617arg
Jul 27, 2012, 08:01 AM
Interesting to see that Apple is using Autodesk software for their designs. I wonder what they were using before Alias was available for OS X......

SandboxGeneral
Jul 27, 2012, 08:06 AM
That square design is pig ugly....Let's hope Apple don't go all retro on us and decide to make the 5 look like that..It's a brick.:)

True that man! That octagon shape is horrible.

macnerd93
Jul 27, 2012, 08:31 AM
even I didn't read that article fully, there is the reason why this is suddenly popped up around the trouble between Apple and Samsung. do you know why? you don't. don't justify yourself as a fanboy. as a matter of fact, Samsung didn't copy apple barely. I don't see it. it's overwritten from apple in order to protect their ridiculous patents which some of them are not even apple first made.

hmm you don't see it :) Patents are not ridiculous either, its any companies right to protect intellectual property.

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/09/28/no-comment-proof-that-samsung-shamelessly-copies-apple/

Timzer
Jul 27, 2012, 08:36 AM
hmm you don't see it :) Patents are not ridiculous either, its any companies right to protect intellectual property.

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/09/28/no-comment-proof-that-samsung-shamelessly-copies-apple/

Ummm....have you not learned anything. Your beloved manufacture of choice has made it clear to you, it's not called copying, it's called drawing inspiration from another company. Surely if it's good enough practice for Apple, it's good enough for others. :rolleyes:

Meandmunch
Jul 27, 2012, 09:41 AM
I love seeing stuff like this.

paradox00
Jul 27, 2012, 10:08 AM
Now that it has been revealed that is was a Japanese Apple designer, who "drew inspiration" from Sony, we can now dispel this ridiculous belief by the blind followers that Apple are completely original and are influenced by nobody but themselves. I find it hilarious that they would copy to the extent of even putting the darn brand name of the company they are copying right on the darn prototype. WOW!
This just proves what many have been saying, everyone copies from everyone. But the difference is, when Apple does it, they call it "being inspired by...'

Straight from TheVerge:

A recent court filing by Samsung reveals that in 2006 Apple industrial designer Shin Nishibori was directed to design an iPhone prototype inspired by Sony's aesthetics after Tony Fadell internally circulated an interview with a designer from the company. An assortment of renders reveal his design, complete with a Sony logo — save for one where the logo has been modified to read "Jony," presumably in honor of Apple's Jony Ive.

Apple designer Richard Howarth took note of the renders, and in a 2006 email told Ive that that he felt the design allowed for a "much smaller-looking product with a much nicer shape" for making calls when compared to another prototype...Howarth comments that Nishibori's Sony-inspired look is "only half a step away" from what is now Cupertino's current model. In an amusing aside, Howard also tells Ive that the iPhone 4 design "looks old" when compared to the P2, but that it would be more usable.

And that particular design, is without a doubt pretty much what you see today as the iPhone 4/4S. Thank You Shin, and Thank You Sony.

Image (http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4806577/sony_inspired_iphone_prototypes18_1020_gallery_post.jpg)

That looks almost exactly like an iPhone 4 and it was designed by Apple, so what's your point? I don't think anyone claims Apple designs products in isolation from the rest of the world. It's well known that Dieter Rams design principles have influenced Jonny Ives designs. If you can't understand the difference between being inspired by or adhering to similar design principles and copying, there's no point in discussing this.

Edit: To clarify the difference, inspiration is to ask what would X do and copying is taking what X did and claiming it as your own. There's a clear and distinct difference between the two. In the real world the line certainly gets blurred, but it's ridiculous to claim that those two concepts are the same.

macnerd93
Jul 27, 2012, 10:19 AM
Ummm....have you not learned anything. Your beloved manufacture of choice has made it clear to you, it's not called copying, it's called drawing inspiration from another company. Surely if it's good enough practice for Apple, it's good enough for others. :rolleyes:

I really don't think that comment was aimed at you.

My comment was to another poster, of which I was making several totally different points.

My first point was that he claimed Apple had started copying Sony, which is not true, since Apple made the mockup in the first place. He then claimed that Apple's patents are ridiculous and I simply stated thats not the case as any company has a legal right to be able to protect their intellectual properties, from theft and misuse etc.

Finally that link was to show the other poster, the lengths Samsung go to, to try and copy Apple's little details, as he claimed that Samsung had never copied anything off Apple, which is simply not the case.

griz
Jul 27, 2012, 10:24 AM
The one on the right reminds me of the recent Nokia Lumia's!

Interesting how companies even manage to copy unreleased Apple products.

kdarling
Jul 27, 2012, 11:12 AM
The one on the right reminds me of the recent Nokia Lumia's!

Also reminds me of the Dell Flash design:

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Interesting how companies even manage to copy unreleased Apple products.

No doubt they all had CEOs on the Apple board of directors, stealing Apple's unique ideas.

It's the only way to explain how everyone could come up with the same simple shapes!

(Heck, I have a slim aluminum external USB laptop drive case that looks like that.)

chagla
Jul 27, 2012, 11:35 AM
That looks almost exactly like an iPhone 4 and it was designed by Apple, so what's your point? I don't think anyone claims Apple designs products in isolation from the rest of the world. It's well known that Dieter Rams design principles have influenced Jonny Ives designs. If you can't understand the difference between being inspired by or adhering to similar design principles and copying, there's no point in discussing this.

Edit: To clarify the difference, inspiration is to ask what would X do and copying is taking what X did and claiming it as your own. There's a clear and distinct difference between the two. In the real world the line certainly gets blurred, but it's ridiculous to claim that those two concepts are the same.

it's interesting that you start by saying it "almost exactly like an iphone 4", few sentences later you say Apple is "inspired" by Sony and others. if this is not copying, then Samsung phones are not copying iphones either.

can you give a specific example of a Samsung phone that looks "almost exactly like" an iphone?

JAT
Jul 27, 2012, 11:36 AM
the last thing the internet needs is a group of people with poor reading comprehension skills running around

lol!

Anonymous Freak
Jul 27, 2012, 11:50 AM
So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

Uh.........

An Apple prototype "blatantly copie(d) Sony", not a released product.

If it was only Samsung's prototypes that resembled Apple products, Apple wouldn't have complained.

What I wonder is how many of the "prototypes" weren't even meant to be real products - and were just "throw them off the scent" fakes in the event of a leak?

iSee
Jul 27, 2012, 12:14 PM
The octogonal one is startling.

I'm gald the "mini" one never came out.

Timzer
Jul 27, 2012, 12:17 PM
That looks almost exactly like an iPhone 4 and it was designed by Apple, so what's your point? I don't think anyone claims Apple designs products in isolation from the rest of the world. It's well known that Dieter Rams design principles have influenced Jonny Ives designs. If you can't understand the difference between being inspired by or adhering to similar design principles and copying, there's no point in discussing this.

Edit: To clarify the difference, inspiration is to ask what would X do and copying is taking what X did and claiming it as your own. There's a clear and distinct difference between the two. In the real world the line certainly gets blurred, but it's ridiculous to claim that those two concepts are the same.

Really? And what if court documents showed it was indeed Samsung who had done what we see in these documents. What if it were Samsung that demanded it's designers to come up with something that was "inspired by Apple" and had mock ups that actually had the Apple name on it's prototypes. Then what? Oh yeah, that's right, it would put the fanboys in a frenzy and claim case closed on Samsung copying Apple. Yeah, that's it. :rolleyes:
Honestly, put the kool aid DOWN!!!
It seems Apple can come out and straight out say they are copying another companies design ques, completely admit to it, and the Apple faithful will still talk about how amazing Apple's designs are. SHOCKING!!! :rolleyes:
BTW, forget mister Ives, who you guys seem to give all the credit to. Read the documents, it was actually Mr.Shin Nishibori, who copied Sony design ques, that brought the iPhone 4/4S to life. Mr.Shin and Sony are to be given majority of the credit. Give credit where credit is due.

iSee
Jul 27, 2012, 12:18 PM
Regarding the people going nuts over Apple's Sony inspired prototype.

* Apple's design was inspired by a camera, not another smart phone or tablet.
* Apple's iPhone 4 looks very similar to the prototype... but NOT any Sony camera.
* In fact, most of the Sony-like elements of the prototype do not actually appear in the iPhone 4
* No one who's not wildly ignorant thinks Apple deisgns are all 100% orignial. I suppose there must be some Apple fanboys that think they are, but those people are as dumb as the people who think Apple designs are unoriginal. It's very normal for designs to be influances or inspired by other designs. That's different than copying the design of a product. (By the way, I have no opinion on whether or not Samsung copied Apple's design or not; I haven't spent any time analyzing and comparing the design of those Samsung products. Also, this is actually a legal question, not a design question, and I don't know the law well enough to have an opinion in any case.

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Waiting to see if Sony sues Apple for using their logo!

Yes, for putting the logo on an internal prototype. sigh.

paradox00
Jul 27, 2012, 01:17 PM
Really? And what if court documents showed it was indeed Samsung who had done what we see in these documents. What if it were Samsung that demanded it's designers to come up with something that was "inspired by Apple" and had mock ups that actually had the Apple name on it's prototypes. Then what? Oh yeah, that's right, it would put the fanboys in a frenzy and claim case closed on Samsung copying Apple. Yeah, that's it. :rolleyes:
Honestly, put the kool aid DOWN!!!
It seems Apple can come out and straight out say they are copying another companies design ques, completely admit to it, and the Apple faithful will still talk about how amazing Apple's designs are. SHOCKING!!! :rolleyes:
BTW, forget mister Ives, who you guys seem to give all the credit to. Read the documents, it was actually Mr.Shin Nishibori, who copied Sony design ques, that brought the iPhone 4/4S to life. Mr.Shin and Sony are to be given majority of the credit. Give credit where credit is due.

Bolding things doesn't make you seem smarter. I used Ives as an example because his design inspirations are well known, yet you were claiming people said Apple design products completely isolated from the world. Quit twisting other peoples arguments to hide your lack of one.

There is a difference between copying and being inspired as I've already explained and I've also said the line gets blurry in real life, but you refuse to even acknowledge there are legitimate differences between the two.

Instead putting text in bold, please come back with a real argument.

PS: If someone at Samsung was tasked with designing a TV and was asked to design it as if Apple created it, and then iterated to create their own design to release to the market, I don't think we could say they copied Apple as Apple doesn't even have a TV on the market. The inspiration would probably be noticeable and that would be pointed out, but there's no way it could really be a copy. much like the iPhone isn't a Sony clone.

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it's interesting that you start by saying it "almost exactly like an iphone 4", few sentences later you say Apple is "inspired" by Sony and others. if this is not copying, then Samsung phones are not copying iphones either.

can you give a specific example of a Samsung phone that looks "almost exactly like" an iphone?

What Sony phone did they copy? They were tasked with brainstorming on how Sony would make an iPhone. Samsung had the iPhone in front of them, they knew how Apple would make an iPhone.

I'm not going to accuse Samsung of doing this, but they could have been tasked with taking an iPhone and modifying it to be sufficiently different to call their own product. The scenarios are very different, but apparently understanding that is difficult.

Timzer
Jul 27, 2012, 01:41 PM
Why are you so against bolded lettering. This function is on the forums for various reasons. For example, I'm putting my responses in bold, so you know there my responses. :rolleyes:

Bolding things doesn't make you seem smarter. I used Ives as an example because his design inspirations are well known, yet you were claiming people said Apple design products completely isolated from the world. Quit twisting other peoples arguments to hide your lack of one.

Really, show me one thread in this forum that has given any credit to the design of the iPhone 4/4S to Mr.Shin Nishibori or to Sony. In fact until now, with all the Ives hero worshipping, I'm betting almost all of you didn't even know Mr.Shin Nishibori existed or the extent of the credit that should be given to Mr.Shin Nishibori or to Sony's design philosophy. So go on, start giving them the credit.


There is a difference between copying and being inspired as I've already explained and I've also said the line gets blurry in real life, but you refuse to even acknowledge there are legitimate differences between the two.

Again, that difference is measured by who? The Apple faithful? Yeah, I don't think so. Get a grip.

Instead putting text in bold, please come back with a real argument.

See first statement.

PS: If someone at Samsung was tasked with designing a TV and was asked to design it as if Apple created it, and then iterated to create their own design to release to the market, I don't think we could say they copied Apple as Apple doesn't even have a TV on the market. The inspiration would probably be noticeable and that would be pointed out, but there's no way it could really be a copy. much like the iPhone isn't a Sony clone.[COLOR="#808080"]

chrisbru
Jul 27, 2012, 02:33 PM
Now that it has been revealed that is was a Japanese Apple designer, who "drew inspiration" from Sony, we can now dispel this ridiculous belief by the blind followers that Apple are completely original and are influenced by nobody but themselves. I find it hilarious that they would copy to the extent of even putting the darn brand name of the company they are copying right on the darn prototype. WOW!
This just proves what many have been saying, everyone copies from everyone. But the difference is, when Apple does it, they call it "being inspired by...'

Straight from TheVerge:

A recent court filing by Samsung reveals that in 2006 Apple industrial designer Shin Nishibori was directed to design an iPhone prototype inspired by Sony's aesthetics after Tony Fadell internally circulated an interview with a designer from the company. An assortment of renders reveal his design, complete with a Sony logo — save for one where the logo has been modified to read "Jony," presumably in honor of Apple's Jony Ive.

Apple designer Richard Howarth took note of the renders, and in a 2006 email told Ive that that he felt the design allowed for a "much smaller-looking product with a much nicer shape" for making calls when compared to another prototype...Howarth comments that Nishibori's Sony-inspired look is "only half a step away" from what is now Cupertino's current model. In an amusing aside, Howard also tells Ive that the iPhone 4 design "looks old" when compared to the P2, but that it would be more usable.

And that particular design, is without a doubt pretty much what you see today as the iPhone 4/4S. Thank You Shin, and Thank You Sony.


You are really dense, aren't you? Sony didn't design that, Apple did.

Collected
Jul 27, 2012, 02:42 PM
Strange that they'd do drawings or mock ups with a Sony logo on them. Take inspiration yes.. but why put the Sony logo on the mock ups? Is there a chance Apple were considering some sort of Sony partnership?

turaco
Jul 27, 2012, 03:08 PM
So even when Apple blatantly copies Sony, that is all fine and dandy, but when Sammy was apparently "inspired" by Apple, a court case is immediately started... Ok, then....

I don't understand your comment.....how did they copy Sony exactly? The designer worked for Sony and then he worked for Apple. He designed the phone while working for apple, his name is also in the design patent along with Ive's, Jobs's and others, so apple did not rob anybody of this design. The design was for Apple, by Apple, inspired by Sony design. There is nothing wrong with it.

I just want you to show me one design of the time or even now from Sony that looks like the iphone. Plus the design shown is not even what apple picked for the original iphone, it was the fourth generation iphone.....

/dev/toaster
Jul 27, 2012, 04:47 PM
Yellow pages?

What I meant is that I don't recall an Apple widget that was for the yellow pages. I just found that interesting.

Maybe they were originally thinking that apps would be like widgets, using the same infrastructure as widgets. (HTML and JS)

DanteMann
Jul 27, 2012, 08:15 PM
I don't understand your comment.....how did they copy Sony exactly? The designer worked for Sony and then he worked for Apple. He designed the phone while working for apple, his name is also in the design patent along with Ive's, Jobs's and others, so apple did not rob anybody of this design. The design was for Apple, by Apple, inspired by Sony design. There is nothing wrong with it.

I just want you to show me one design of the time or even now from Sony that looks like the iphone. Plus the design shown is not even what apple picked for the original iphone, it was the fourth generation iphone.....

He doesn't have to show you squat. Please give me the source that says the Japanese designer working for Apple worked for Sony prior. Bottom line is Apple has been exposed for the copiers that they are. Steve Jobs said it best himself, "good artist copy, great artists steal." Apple got a Japanese Designer who was directed to look at a Japanese company's designs and come up with something that they could call a Sony. And they even put the friggin' Sony name right on it.
There isn't one person on this forum that ever spoke of Sony being Apple's influence for design. All they spoke of was Johnathon Ive and his incredible original and clean designs. Now we all know better. It wasn't Ive who is the real genius behind the iphone 4/4S, it's some poor no name Japanese fella. Glad I know the truth, and something tells me, Shin Nishibori is happy his name has finally come out as the true brains behind the design of today's iPhone. Of course with the influence of Sony. You got nothing to say otherwise. This is FACT!!!

Savor
Jul 27, 2012, 08:48 PM
Steve Jobs wanted Apple to be like Sony. It is that simple. Check the YouTube vid of SJ praising Sony and even mentioning Akio Morita's death. Sony had a huge influence on Apple.

So if Apple looks up to Sony, it is called inspiration. If Samsung does it to Apple, it becomes a lawsuit.

Hard to create something completely original. You will get influenced by what you see around you. SJ had Buddhism, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, Bill Packard, and Sony to help shape his life and views. You think The Beatles were completely original? They were influenced from others too. You think Michael Jordan was the original? Before him, he idolized David Thompson and Dr. J. Before them, there was Elgin Baylor and Oscar Robertson. He had elders who taught him. Kobe took the torch from MJ, but now it is LeBron's turn. Then maybe Durant.

I think Apple is still king. But at some point, it no longer will be #1 and have to pass on the torch to someone else. Likely Samsung. That's life. Nothing lasts forever.

AshtonTS
Jul 28, 2012, 06:03 PM
@OP, the iPhone 4 is 2 years old, came out in 2010, not last year....

swy05
Jul 29, 2012, 04:30 AM
So because Apple drew inspiration from Sony's non-phone electronics, it's okay?

http://www.androidauthority.com/behold-samsungs-ipad-made-in-2006-21278/

Wonder why Samsung hasn't sued Apple for the iPad.


Every company draws inspiration from others. It's life. Get over it.

Some tend to be babies that cannot get over it.

prezasti
Jul 30, 2012, 12:13 PM
So because Apple drew inspiration from Sony's non-phone electronics, it's okay?

http://www.androidauthority.com/behold-samsungs-ipad-made-in-2006-21278/

Wonder why Samsung hasn't sued Apple for the iPad.


Every company draws inspiration from others. It's life. Get over it.

Some tend to be babies that cannot get over it.

If you look close at the iPad files for the CAD drawings, they are in folder labeled 2004 iPad. So it looks like they have been working on it since before 2006.

Carl Sagan
Jul 30, 2012, 12:20 PM
What's fascinating about all this is seeing the 'purple' prototype iPhone. Incredible that way back in 2006 Apple had an iPhone which isn't that different to what became the iPhone 4 in 2010.

Makes you wonder what they have no that we won't see for another 4 years..?

prezasti
Jul 30, 2012, 12:41 PM
What's fascinating about all this is seeing the 'purple' prototype iPhone. Incredible that way back in 2006 Apple had an iPhone which isn't that different to what became the iPhone 4 in 2010.

Makes you wonder what they have no that we won't see for another 4 years..?

It's like Steve Said, they have the next 4 or 5 generations of iPhones already in testing. For all we know, Apple has dozens of prototype phones not being shown in these trials releases that are currently being developing and tested.

It is great to see their prototypes and concepts of tried designs.

Carl Sagan
Jul 30, 2012, 05:14 PM
It's like Steve Said, they have the next 4 or 5 generations of iPhones already in testing. For all we know, Apple has dozens of prototype phones not being shown in these trials releases that are currently being developing and tested.

It is great to see their prototypes and concepts of tried designs.

Indeed. Aside from all the hype and fanboy ************* I really like iterative design like this, it's very interesting to see a design process at work to understand the design language and intent on the journey toward the final product.

turaco
Jul 31, 2012, 12:47 PM
He doesn't have to show you squat. Please give me the source that says the Japanese designer working for Apple worked for Sony prior. Bottom line is Apple has been exposed for the copiers that they are. Steve Jobs said it best himself, "good artist copy, great artists steal." Apple got a Japanese Designer who was directed to look at a Japanese company's designs and come up with something that they could call a Sony. And they even put the friggin' Sony name right on it.
There isn't one person on this forum that ever spoke of Sony being Apple's influence for design. All they spoke of was Johnathon Ive and his incredible original and clean designs. Now we all know better. It wasn't Ive who is the real genius behind the iphone 4/4S, it's some poor no name Japanese fella. Glad I know the truth, and something tells me, Shin Nishibori is happy his name has finally come out as the true brains behind the design of today's iPhone. Of course with the influence of Sony. You got nothing to say otherwise. This is FACT!!!

ok thanks for the speech...... what do you have to say now that the 'purple' concept came out.......


jony ive is the head of design and that is probably why he is often regarded as the creator of the iphone designs. Everyone in the design industry knows that it takes more than one person to create a complete design.

why do you sound so angry by the way, apple did not steal your design, did they? and I am still waiting on the sony products that look like the iphone.....where are you facts now fact boy?