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bizdata
Jul 27, 2012, 07:12 AM
1) Preview 6.0 has lost its 'Hand' tool! So, if you're not on MacBook Pro with touchpad, you can't actually pan around open document, not depending on document type.

2) Safari 6.0 has lost 'Activity' window, which allowed you to download video from YouTube for example.

Any thoughts?

Besides, the system is crammed with plenty of useless features, which make it much more heavy and awkward.



Sylon
Jul 27, 2012, 07:18 AM
1) Preview 6.0 has lost its 'Hand' tool! So, if you're not on MacBook Pro with touchpad, you can't actually pan around open document, not depending on document type.

2) Safari 6.0 has lost 'Activity' window, which allowed you to download video from YouTube for example.

Any thoughts?


1) Being someone with a touchpad, I could see how annoying that could be. Sorry dude. Although not as great as the touchpad, you can still use the arrow keys.

2) That has been known for quite a while now.



I wouldn't necessarily call these "significant" though.

bizdata
Jul 27, 2012, 07:30 AM
I wouldn't necessarily call these "significant" though.

Well, its quite significant for me personally because I used to read books in PDF, scrolling across with my Wacom pen :)

Mabe there is some way to get old Preview 5.5.1 back in Mountain Lion?

cambookpro
Jul 27, 2012, 07:35 AM
Safari has a sort of activity window still where you can see all of the elements of the site. You need to enable the Develop menu then you can 'Show page resources'. Not perfect, but better than nothing.

jwolf6589
Jul 27, 2012, 07:37 AM
1) Preview 6.0 has lost its 'Hand' tool! So, if you're not on MacBook Pro with touchpad, you can't actually pan around open document, not depending on document type.

2) Safari 6.0 has lost 'Activity' window, which allowed you to download video from YouTube for example.

Any thoughts?

Besides, the system is crammed with plenty of useless features, which make it much more heavy and awkward.

Thanks for this. I use the hand tool ALL THE TIME in SL. If this is true I may not upgrade to LION, or ML. Thanks..

lssmit02
Jul 27, 2012, 07:41 AM
1) Preview 6.0 has lost its 'Hand' tool! So, if you're not on MacBook Pro with touchpad, you can't actually pan around open document, not depending on document type.

Not a substitute, but the arrow keys do move you around a zoomed in pdf.

bizdata
Jul 27, 2012, 07:47 AM
Thanks for this. I use the hand tool ALL THE TIME in SL. If this is true I may not upgrade to LION, or ML. Thanks..

Yeah, this actually makes me thinking of getting back to Lion (by the way it works perfectly and smoothly there)...
or find a way to make Preview 5.5.1 work in ML.

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Not a substitute, but the arrow keys do move you around a zoomed in pdf.

Mmmm. Not a solution for me, as I use Wacom tablet. Besides you move very slowly and jerky with arrow keys.

fheusel
Jul 27, 2012, 07:54 AM
Yeah, this actually makes me thinking of getting back to Lion (by the way it works there perfectly and smoothly)...
or find a way to make Preview 5.5.1 work in ML.
Here is Lions Preview 5.5.2 - working under ML (just a little Info.plist-tinkering and resigning):
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/158132/Preview%205.5.2.zip

Screenshot:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/158132/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-27%20at%2014.58.04.jpg

bizdata
Jul 27, 2012, 08:08 AM
Here is Lions Preview 5.5.2 - working under ML (just a little Info.plist-tinkering and resigning):
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/158132/Preview%205.5.2.zip

Screenshot:
Image (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/158132/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-27%20at%2014.58.04.jpg)

Oh thank you!!! Works like charm!

But can you tell a bit more about Info.plist-tinkering and resigning please?

fheusel
Jul 27, 2012, 08:17 AM
Oh Thank you!!!

Can you tell a bit more about Info.plist-tinkering and resigning please?

The Lion Preview.app seems to be blacklistet in ML through the "Bundle version=719.25" entry in the Info.plist. So I changed it to something higher (760 in this case - 765 is the version-number from ML Preview.app). Now the app fails to start, because modifying the plist-file apparently broke the signing.
Then I resigned it using this command:
codesign --force --sign - Preview.app/Contents/MacOS/Preview

Benbikeman
Jul 27, 2012, 08:23 AM
1) So, if you're not on MacBook Pro with touchpad, you can't actually pan around open document
Does the Magic Trackpad not do the same thing as the MBP trackpad?

2) Safari 6.0 has lost 'Activity' window
Doesn't Develop>Show Web Inspector let you do the same thing?

bizdata
Jul 27, 2012, 08:28 AM
The Lion Preview.app seems to be blacklistet in ML through the "Bundle version=719.25" entry in the Info.plist. So I changed it to something higher (760 in this case - 765 is the version-number from ML Preview.app). Now the app fails to start, because modifying the plist-file apparently broke the signing.
Then I resigned it using this command:
codesign --force --sign - Preview.app/Contents/MacOS/Preview

Wow! That's really great! Thanks again. How do you know all this? Maybe you could suggest some books?

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Does the Magic Trackpad not do the same thing as the MBP trackpad?

Maybe it does, but I'm on iMac right now -- I don't have any.

Doesn't Develop>Show Web Inspector let you do the same thing?

Well, I tried to download movie from YouTube using WI, but failed...

fisherking
Jul 27, 2012, 09:15 AM
Wow! That's really great! Thanks again. How do you know all this? Maybe you could suggest some books?

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Maybe it does, but I'm on iMac right now -- I don't have any.



Well, I tried to download movie from YouTube using WI, but failed...

check out apps like "get tube", "mediahuman youtube downloader", "youtube to mp3"....
lots of free apps to do this...

bizdata
Jul 27, 2012, 10:18 AM
check out apps like "get tube", "mediahuman youtube downloader", "youtube to mp3"....
lots of free apps to do this...

The thing is to download YouTube stuff using native OS X means.

Benbikeman
Jul 27, 2012, 10:28 AM
The thing is to download YouTube stuff using native OS X means.
Why?

iVikD
Jul 27, 2012, 10:29 AM
The thing is to download YouTube stuff using native OS X means.

If you were willing to download Google Chrome, there's several interfaces that let you do what you want, such as the element view, and a network view (my personal favorite for downloading media from sites.)
Otherwise, just do what others have suggested in the Develop menu.

bizdata
Jul 27, 2012, 10:44 AM
Why?

Just out of curiosity :)
Plus I hate littering OS as it is with any alien stuff and third-party apps. I'd rather extract maximum out of what I already have, than go for something new.

tarryweather
Jul 27, 2012, 10:51 AM
After messing around, I figured out how to continue to download videos through Safari without extensions. As previously mentioned, find the video in the Web Inspector (in my experience, this doesn't always work if the inspector isn't already open when the page loads, so you may have to refresh, and it often doesn't appear until a lot has loaded, but it lives under the "Other" folder). Then highlight it, and in the right panel it'll give you the full URL. Copy it. Now make sure that the downloads button is visible (you may have to tell Safari to download an arbitrary link or something to make it appear). Click it to open up the downloads pop-up and hit paste. Voila.

Not as easy as finding it in the Activity window and option-clicking, but it works just the same.

Costee
Aug 6, 2012, 06:31 AM
The Lion Preview.app seems to be blacklistet in ML through the "Bundle version=719.25" entry in the Info.plist. So I changed it to something higher (760 in this case - 765 is the version-number from ML Preview.app). Now the app fails to start, because modifying the plist-file apparently broke the signing.
Then I resigned it using this command:
codesign --force --sign - Preview.app/Contents/MacOS/Preview

Thanks! It also works with Preview.app from Snow Leopard.

Freeek
Aug 6, 2012, 07:59 AM
After messing around, I figured out how to continue to download videos through Safari without extensions. As previously mentioned, find the video in the Web Inspector (in my experience, this doesn't always work if the inspector isn't already open when the page loads, so you may have to refresh, and it often doesn't appear until a lot has loaded, but it lives under the "Other" folder). Then highlight it, and in the right panel it'll give you the full URL. Copy it. Now make sure that the downloads button is visible (you may have to tell Safari to download an arbitrary link or something to make it appear). Click it to open up the downloads pop-up and hit paste. Voila.

Not as easy as finding it in the Activity window and option-clicking, but it works just the same.

copy the link and _open_ QuickTime Player and there "Open Adress". Load the movie completely and than export it. It will make a "videoplayback.mov" file that have exact the same quality than the Web-Vid has.

kebrady
Aug 26, 2012, 06:28 PM
Costee.... how did you get the Preview from snow leopard to work in mountain lion? I need help!! Anyone who can help me I would greatly appreciate it. I followed the link from above, but that got me 5.5.... I need preview from snow leopard.... please help!!!

Vicarious
Sep 23, 2012, 01:57 PM
Here is Lions Preview 5.5.2 - working under ML (just a little Info.plist-tinkering and resigning):
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/158132/Preview%205.5.2.zip

Screenshot:
Image (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/158132/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-27%20at%2014.58.04.jpg)

Thank you so much for this. ML's change to the way note annotations are displayed on the side has made it utterly useless to me. Now all is well again, thanks :)

Riqiv
Sep 28, 2012, 12:20 PM
Geez, first Apple removes the little arrow on top and bottom of scroll bar for minute movements and now this!

I take it the people who vet these things don't own computers :rolleyes:

Tea-Aholic
Sep 28, 2012, 02:36 PM
Just out of curiosity :)
Plus I hate littering OS as it is with any alien stuff and third-party apps. I'd rather extract maximum out of what I already have, than go for something new.

I'm like you too. I'm very OCD about filling my Mac with junk.

I use keepvid.com (http://keepvid.com)

Try it. It's very good :)

Benbikeman
Sep 28, 2012, 03:30 PM
I use keepvid.com (http://keepvid.com)

Give an unknown Java applet unlimited read and write access to everything on my Mac? I think not ...

Mal
Sep 28, 2012, 04:15 PM
Give an unknown Java applet unlimited read and write access to everything on my Mac? I think not ...

It's reputable, I've used it for years. I don't know about unlimited read and write access, but it doesn't show any signs of accessing anything on my computer, it just processes the video and gives me the download links.

jW

Benbikeman
Sep 28, 2012, 04:30 PM
It's reputable, I've used it for years. I don't know about unlimited read and write access, but it doesn't show any signs of accessing anything on my computer, it just processes the video and gives me the download links.

jW

OSX 10.8.2 gives a warning that the applet is requesting unlimited read & write access to my computer. I've not known any other java applet ask for that, and I'm certainly not going to grant it.

viborg
Feb 5, 2013, 11:08 AM
The Lion Preview.app seems to be blacklistet in ML through the "Bundle version=719.25" entry in the Info.plist. So I changed it to something higher (760 in this case - 765 is the version-number from ML Preview.app). Now the app fails to start, because modifying the plist-file apparently broke the signing.

Just found this thread through a link in another forum...so apparently the new Preview still sucks, maybe now more than ever. I couldn't find this line in the Info.plist file but I did find a reference to the version in the version.plist file, so I tried changing that one. But when I try to use the command line to fix the signing, I get an error message saying "object file format unrecognized, invalid, or unsuitable". Could it be Apple is on to us? Or is this more an issue of my personal failings? Thanks in advance for any response.

maurizioplll
Aug 6, 2013, 03:07 AM
Just found this thread through a link in another forum...so apparently the new Preview still sucks, maybe now more than ever. I couldn't find this line in the Info.plist file but I did find a reference to the version in the version.plist file, so I tried changing that one. But when I try to use the command line to fix the signing, I get an error message saying "object file format unrecognized, invalid, or unsuitable". Could it be Apple is on to us? Or is this more an issue of my personal failings? Thanks in advance for any response.

I have the same issue here. Seems the hack does not work anymore. Any solution?