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pilot01
Jul 27, 2012, 09:52 AM
Mountain Lion new installation. The dock indicator lights do not illuminate for open applications. Only the Finder light is illuminated. The "Show indicator lights" check box is checked in preferences.

Are apps quitting automatically when I close the window now?



macneubie
Jul 27, 2012, 10:00 AM
Mountain Lion new installation. The dock indicator lights do not illuminate for open applications. Only the Finder light is illuminated. The "Show indicator lights" check box is checked in preferences.

Are apps quitting automatically when I close the window now?

It does show at the edge of the screen, although it might be slightly difficult to see.

million7
Jul 27, 2012, 10:02 AM
Are apps quitting automatically when I close the window now?

Yea, some apps but not all quit when you close them. I personally like this feature.;)

pilot01
Jul 27, 2012, 10:19 AM
I have my dock located at the bottom of the screen and the only indicator light that is ever on is the "finder". No indicators under any app icons ever. Also, when I have a app open and I right click on the icon in the dock, the quit command is not there anymore.

So, the only way to quit a application is to have the application on top and active, use a shortcut keys or open the application menu at the top of the screen?

Sylon
Jul 27, 2012, 10:22 AM
I've noticed this with Messages. When I close it, its still running, yet the light indicator isn't under the icon in the dock. The light indicator stayed on after closing with Lion.

Pock
Jul 27, 2012, 10:25 AM
I've noticed a few apps' lights turn off when closing (Calendar, for instance), whilst others don't. Wish they made the behaviour consistent.

Benbikeman
Jul 27, 2012, 10:31 AM
Seems consistent here: I have lights for open apps, no lights for closed ones, exactly as per Lion.

pilot01
Jul 27, 2012, 10:31 AM
I do not get any indicator lights on any applications. And what happened the the quit command on a right click on the icon.

iVikD
Jul 27, 2012, 10:31 AM
I know some applications keep running in the background (or your menu bar) even though the main instance of the app is closed, Messages is one of these, i believe, along with LittleSnitch, Cloud.app, etc... Try opening Safari or Chrome and check if the light stays on after closing all windows (but not quitting the app itself)

pilot01
Jul 27, 2012, 10:33 AM
I know some applications keep running in the background (or your menu bar) even though the main instance of the app is closed, Messages is one of these, i believe, along with LittleSnitch, Cloud.app, etc... Try opening Safari or Chrome and check if the light stays on after closing all windows (but not quitting the app itself)

Nope, no lights ever! except FINDER.

Prof.
Jul 27, 2012, 10:35 AM
The lights are next to impossible to see on my 15" MBP.

iVikD
Jul 27, 2012, 10:37 AM
Nope, no lights ever! except FINDER.

Wow O.O have you tried playing around the system preferences pane for the dock? It's worth a shot...

Pock
Jul 27, 2012, 10:37 AM
Seems consistent here: I have lights for open apps, no lights for closed ones, exactly as per Lion.

In Lion, most apps lights should have stayed on when the app was closed but not quitted.

pilot01
Jul 27, 2012, 10:45 AM
OK, a reboot seems to have solved the problem. Thanks everybody for the help. I don't know what happened but all seems OK Now.

Prof.
Jul 27, 2012, 10:46 AM
Let's hope Apple makes the lights brighter in a software update.

macneubie
Jul 27, 2012, 10:56 AM
I still prefer the glossier dock of Lion any time over ML. :(

pilot01
Jul 27, 2012, 11:00 AM
Let's hope Apple makes the lights brighter in a software update.

I agree. But apparently, I had a bad boot up because I had now way of telling if an app was open or not.

Oh well, sometimes these friendly electrons are not so friendly after all.
O reboot fixed it! Kind of like kicking the coke machine to get it to work.

fsck-y dingo
Jul 27, 2012, 11:09 AM
Here's a screen shot of Finder, Safari and iTunes active with windows closed. Are you not able to replicate this? If so, there must be an option that isn't set correctly for them to display for you but I can't think of what it could be.

Edit Nevermind..didn't see this was resolved before posting.

Jeff Chen
Jul 27, 2012, 11:11 AM
Here's a screen shot of Finder, Safari and iTunes active with windows closed. Are you not able to replicate this? If so, there must be an option that isn't set correctly for them to display for you but I can't think of what it could be.

Oh WOW, that's something hard to see! But my dock is always on the sides so I'm not affected.

I also had to crank up my mouse cursor size so I don't have to shake my mouse to find the cursor like before... Maybe I'm just getting old :eek:

Pock
Jul 27, 2012, 11:12 AM
Here's a screen shot of Finder, Safari and iTunes active with windows closed. Are you not able to replicate this? If so, there must be an option that isn't set correctly for them to display for you but I can't think of what it could be.

Could you try it for Calendar and report back? Open it, close it, and then make another app the 'active' app, and see if the light is still on.

Thanks!

Michaelgtrusa
Jul 27, 2012, 11:22 AM
A little hard to see.

cocky jeremy
Jul 27, 2012, 11:28 AM
I've noticed this with Messages. When I close it, its still running, yet the light indicator isn't under the icon in the dock. The light indicator stayed on after closing with Lion.

Weird. It's still there for me when Messages is running.

slicecom
Jul 27, 2012, 11:30 AM
A little hard to see.

I think they intentionally made it hard to see. Apple has been trying to take the emphasis off "running" and "not running" apps for years now.

Sylon
Jul 27, 2012, 11:34 AM
Weird. It's still there for me when Messages is running.


This is what I mean. In this shot, the Messages window is closed, however still running in the background. Yet, no indicator light is below the icon in the dock. In Lion, some apps had a light under the icon, even when the app was closed, but running in the background.


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j23/Sylon03/Misc/NoLightsMsg.jpg

Glockron
Jul 27, 2012, 11:37 AM
I love the new look. At first I thought the lights were hard to see as well, but now my eyes just snap right to them. I guess you just have to adjust to it :)

cocky jeremy
Jul 27, 2012, 11:43 AM
This is what I mean. In this shot, the Messages window is closed, however still running in the background. Yet, no indicator light is below the icon in the dock. In Lion, some apps had a light under the icon, even when the app was closed, but running in the background.


Image (http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j23/Sylon03/Misc/NoLightsMsg.jpg)

Strange. Try force quitting then reopening Messages.

Psycna
Jul 27, 2012, 11:52 AM
This is what I mean. In this shot, the Messages window is closed, however still running in the background. Yet, no indicator light is below the icon in the dock. In Lion, some apps had a light under the icon, even when the app was closed, but running in the background.


Image (http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j23/Sylon03/Misc/NoLightsMsg.jpg)

Same here. I think it's a bug. Everyone has this issue.

chrisherbert
Jul 27, 2012, 12:04 PM
The indicator lights also don't scale with the dock. If you have the dock set to a massive size, the lights will be hard to see because they remain small. Set the dock to its smallest size and they'll look huge.

fsck-y dingo
Jul 28, 2012, 12:05 PM
Could you try it for Calendar and report back? Open it, close it, and then make another app the 'active' app, and see if the light is still on.

Thanks!

When I open Calendar, then close the window the app stays on (shows indicator). Once I open another application Calendar closes.

I've noticed Preview doing the same things since Lion.

throAU
Jul 28, 2012, 12:14 PM
Let's hope Apple makes the lights brighter in a software update.

Don't count on it.

The whole point is with autosave, application state saving, and intelligent application closing, it shouldn't be your concern whether the app is running or not.

If you really need to know (i.e., for troubleshooting, or you're a nerd/control freak - like me, or most on here, no doubt), there is activity monitor, ps command, top, etc.

The average end user shouldn't need to know or care about this if the operating system works properly (i.e, it closes apps to free memory when required, pages intelligently, etc, etc).


Admittedly, there is some way to go, but that is apple's vision, and i seriously doubt they'll go backwards on that. iOS works this way, and there's no reason computers can't work that way too.

Needing to monitor what apps you have open is for nerds, and is not end-user friendly. When the user switches to the application it should open as it was before whether it was running at the time or not... whether it was active in memory or not is not something the user should be concerned with.


Just because computers haven't worked that way in the past, it doesn't mean that the old way is "right".

Pock
Jul 28, 2012, 12:37 PM
When I open Calendar, then close the window the app stays on (shows indicator). Once I open another application Calendar closes.

I've noticed Preview doing the same things since Lion.

Yeah I'm getting the same behaviour. Almost tempted just to turn off the indicator lights and be done with it!

adnbek
Jul 28, 2012, 12:39 PM
Only the Messages app seems to do this. Once you close it, it's still running and the light is there. As soon as you click elsewhere, the light goes.

It's similar to "Textedit" and "Preview" in that if they aren't open, they disappear if you switch to another app. However, in the former cases, they are quit completely while Messages is actually still running but the light goes out (and if you don't have it permanently in the dock, the icon disappears as if it's shut down).

Bug for sure. Either they mean to really quit the app but it isn't doing so or it's never mean to quit when closing it and should appear as always running.

NT1440
Jul 28, 2012, 12:40 PM
I do not get any indicator lights on any applications. And what happened the the quit command on a right click on the icon.

Are the lights enabled in system preferences?:confused:

See Flat
Jul 28, 2012, 01:26 PM
I had the same issue as described, only finder with light on. No other apps.
Rebooting solved the issue. All apps now showing on light as it should.

Macbook Pro quadi7

whsbuss
Jul 28, 2012, 03:59 PM
The lights are next to impossible to see on my 15" MBP.

Amen to that. Its soooo hard to see.

zoomos
Jul 30, 2012, 05:45 PM
I agree. But apparently, I had a bad boot up because I had now way of telling if an app was open or not.

Oh well, sometimes these friendly electrons are not so friendly after all.
O reboot fixed it! Kind of like kicking the coke machine to get it to work.

I had the same problem you had, but a simple logout and log back in fixed it for me, no need to restart.

Small bug, not a big deal for me.

pilot01
Jul 30, 2012, 07:10 PM
I had the same problem you had, but a simple logout and log back in fixed it for me, no need to restart.

Small bug, not a big deal for me.

So I thought that the issue was resolved with a simple reboot. How wrong I was! I am back with the same problem every time that I wake the system up from sleep.

The apparent fix per Apple Techs is to delete "com.apple.doc.plst" from library/preferences/.

Well this did not do the trick. This problem seems to be a real bug in Mountain Lion, At least on my system (Mid 2011 27" iMac)

For me it is a big deal, It is impossible to tell if a app is running or not. In order to actually quit a app, I have to go to the force quit menu. Unacceptable. I am wondering if there is any way to revert my system back to Ver OS 10.7?

pilot01
Jul 30, 2012, 07:20 PM
I had the same problem you had, but a simple logout and log back in fixed it for me, no need to restart.

Small bug, not a big deal for me.

You are right, a log out and log in restores dock functionality. Still unacceptable.

The problem is deeper than just indicator lights. If you right click on a dock icon, you do not get all of the commands that should be available. Also, no badges are never shown on the icon ( Mail, messages, ext.)

Any one got any ideas? Apple Tech Support has not been any help here.

Benbikeman
Jul 30, 2012, 07:23 PM
The problem is deeper than just indicator lights. If you right click on a dock icon, you do not get all of the commands that should be available.
Not sure what to suggest, but as a point of information dock lights and commands are working fine here on a MBP 17 on ML done as a straight upgrade from Lion.

reemas
Jul 30, 2012, 08:31 PM
definitely a bug.

some of my open programs lose their indicator lights after some time. a restart usually fixes it.

ozp
Aug 1, 2012, 05:37 PM
definitely a bug.

some of my open programs lose their indicator lights after some time. a restart usually fixes it.

Same here, restart solves it, at least for a while

K4LK
Aug 1, 2012, 05:49 PM
The lights are next to impossible to see on my 15" MBP.

Nor on my 11" MBA. Wish I could make them brighter: :(

Just sent them feedback. Make them brighter or give us a setting.

bedifferent
Aug 1, 2012, 07:55 PM
I really am perplexed as to why people like the "new" dock.app.

It's a shiny reflective silver dock with small sliver of shiny indicator lights. Why has Apple always chosen a silver dock with indistinguishable glowing app indicators? It's baffling.

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I think they intentionally made it hard to see. Apple has been trying to take the emphasis off "running" and "not running" apps for years now.

Right. Except there is there has been the option for a while now to turn off indicator lights. During Lion beta's many complained that not having indicator lights for open app's was problematic, thus Apple engineers allowed for turning them on and off. However, even on they are extremely difficult to notice.

pbrooks
Aug 1, 2012, 10:23 PM
This may be a picky observation, but it seems to me that the iTunes and App Store icons' reflections in the new ML dock are more prominent than all other icons' reflections. It draws my eye to these two icons first before any others when looking at my dock. Do you think this is on purpose? It's can't be mere coincidence that these are the apps where we buy stuff.

gradientblue
Aug 24, 2012, 06:49 PM
Needing to monitor what apps you have open is for nerds, and is not end-user friendly. When the user switches to the application it should open as it was before whether it was running at the time or not... whether it was active in memory or not is not something the user should be concerned with.

Just because computers haven't worked that way in the past, it doesn't mean that the old way is "right".

It does matter to me. A lot of apps work automatically, checking email or status, which I would otherwise have to do myself if they are not on. Checking whether or not they are on confirms whether the apps are at work. iTunes automatically syncs my iPhone so its nice to know if it is on and syncing, updating podcasts, or still downloading an app or file. Sometimes I have an alarm app on in the background, so I can easily check if I can see the indicator light. The indicator lights are way too small. This stuff doesn't seem nerdy to me, it is just routine.

marc11
Aug 24, 2012, 08:35 PM
If you think about it this is why Apple introduced launch pad. If you look at it holistically you keep zero apps on your dock except running apps and you the simple gesture and click via launch pad to open the apps you need. Thus on the dock means running, else go to launch pad to open.

In this context dock lights are not needed. Of course I realize this is not how many people use their Mac and many people do not like launch pad. But it is how I use it and makes perfect sense to me anyway.

But if course ymmv.

Badrottie
Aug 24, 2012, 08:49 PM
I can see light next to Safari and other app that is still running. but light will go off if I pull down menu and quit Safari or other app. I don't always use "x" button. :apple:

throAU
Aug 26, 2012, 02:21 AM
It does matter to me. A lot of apps work automatically, checking email or status, which I would otherwise have to do myself if they are not on. Checking whether or not they are on confirms whether the apps are at work. iTunes automatically syncs my iPhone so its nice to know if it is on and syncing, updating podcasts, or still downloading an app or file. Sometimes I have an alarm app on in the background, so I can easily check if I can see the indicator light. The indicator lights are way too small. This stuff doesn't seem nerdy to me, it is just routine.

Apps that sync themselves over the network can tell the OS to keep them open.

As mail and ical already do.

greenalien
Mar 30, 2013, 09:30 PM
I have this issue now too. As described by others, the indicator lights do not appear in the dock, apart from Finder, and the right-click menu isn't showing the normal options (no Close option).

i'm using Snow Leopard 10.6.8 on an old Macbook Pro (late 08 unibody). Have been using this laptop for years without ever experiencing this issue. I upgraded to a new SSD harddisk which I restored from a Time Machine backup. First thing I noticed after booting up was this dock issue.

The drive which I use for Time Machine is formatted to the usual Mac OS Extended (Journaled). I use the Snow Leopard install DVD to restore from the backup.

So seems the underlying issue has been around for some time, Snow Leopard at the latest.