10.2.2 is out through Software Update...

[Classic]

The 10.2.2 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications and technologies: Address Book, iChat, IP Firewall, Mail, Print Center, Rendezvous, Sherlock and Windows file service discovery. The update also includes the updated services previously delivered in Security Update 2002-09-20.

For detailed information on this Update, please visit http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n107140


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I'm off to download. I'll post if there are any problems.....

[Stelliform]

Thanks for the heads up! It is 24.4 MB. 50% done on my computer.

[Jays]

no obvious changes at first glance...

no problem with installation what so ever

[whfsdude]

Worked fine on two computers. Didn't work on the on G4 imac downstairs, got an error :( I am trying again now :)

Update: Worked on G4 iMac after I quit SW Update and relaunched

[Chaszmyr]

It isnt working.... When i click install it stays in the "Software Update" app, the window with the updates becomes unselected, and nothing starts downloading. If i select "Install Checked" from the menu bar the same thing happens.

[edesignuk]

Got it! What's the journalling filesystem thing all about? :confused:

The list of updates in 10.2.2 can be found here (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107140).

[pianojoe]

WOW! Quartz is on steroids, even on my old faithful ATI 8MB graphics iBook!

[alset]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by edesignuk
[B]Got it! What's the journalling filesystem thing all about? :confused:

It's a UNIX file system of sorts. It keeps logs in great detail about EVERYTHING that happens on a machine. I believe this is supposed to allow you to restore the machine to a given state after any sort of crash, etc. Word is that it reduces disk/system speed in the area of (I think) 15%. Not something the average user is likely to be very interested in.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
It isnt working.... When i click install it stays in the "Software Update" app, the window with the updates becomes unselected, and nothing starts downloading. If i select "Install Checked" from the menu bar the same thing happens.
You'll have to download the 10.2.2 installer from here (http://www.apple.com/swupdates/), it's not there just yet but no doubt it will be soon enough.

[redAPPLE]

Originally posted by pianojoe
WOW! Quartz is on steroids, even on my old faithful ATI 8MB graphics iBook!

downloading right now. what do you mean by "quartz is on steroids"?

how did u test it?

[joed]

Damn, I can't download it till I get home after work. Not for another 9 hours :(

What's the new version numbers on iChat and Mail?

Does sherlock work better?

[pianojoe]

Originally posted by redAPPLE


downloading right now. what do you mean by "quartz is on steroids"?

how did u test it?

Just feeling that the overall 2D graphics performance has significantly improved. In the Finder, in Chimera, in Mail...

And it's not even mentioned in the kb doc!

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by joed
What's the new version numbers on iChat and Mail?

iChat 1.0.1 (v51.4)
Mail 1.2.2 (v549/548)

FYI anyone who's interested, the build version is 6F21

[pianojoe]

Originally posted by joed


What's the new version numbers on iChat and Mail?


Mail: 1.2.2 (v549/548)

iChat: 1.0.1 (v51.4)

[DreaminDirector]

Any significant change in the functionality of iChat 1.0.1?

[reyesmac]

Every time you install something big it always boosts speed because of the optimisations it does at the end of the install. If you do not install things on a regular basis, you will feel it more than others. I don't see that they did anything to improve the finder, so I don't think I will see anything drastic from this update as far as the finder goes.

[joed]

Originally posted by DreaminDirector
Any significant change in the functionality of iChat 1.0.1?

Damn, was hoping for a 1.1 version of iChat.

So does it actually work now?

OK, that was a bit harsh.

[8thDegreeSavage]

Where the *** is the gawdamn nvidea and ati drivers?....could have sworn they were in the 6f6 build....damn you APPLE!

[mojobreakfast]

Originally posted by alset
[QUOTE]Originally posted by edesignuk
[B]Got it! What's the journalling filesystem thing all about? :confused:

It's a UNIX file system of sorts. It keeps logs in great detail about EVERYTHING that happens on a machine. I believe this is supposed to allow you to restore the machine to a given state after any sort of crash, etc. Word is that it reduces disk/system speed in the area of (I think) 15%. Not something the average user is likely to be very interested in.

Nice try. Journaling has nothing to do, intrinsically, with UNIX "file systems". Also, a journaling file system will not help you recover from "any" sort of crash. It might help avoid extended disk constistency checks under certain circumstances but it is not foolproof.

[Chad4Mac]

Sherlock...just try it out. Big time improvement!

Chad4Mac

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Chad4Mac
Sherlock...just try it out. Big time improvement!

Chad4Mac


Yeah it was a big improvement. First time I went to use it it crashed after a few seconds. Other then that I notice no speed increase. Granted this is on a Dual/GHz/DDR with 1024MB of Ram and a Cable Modem.

[a_kim]

I was looking forward to having multiple lines in iChat, but alas there is still only one input line. How hard is it to make an option to have more than one input line visible? I actually don't see any differences in iChat (preferences are exactly the same, from what I remember), and the KB document doesn't mention iChat, even though the Software Update summary does. Weird. Tomorrow, I'll see if they fixed the weird problem I get at work where I can type to other people, but their messages never get to me (might be a firewall issue, except that it doesn't happen on the regular aol client).

-Alex

[Centris Fan]

Ain't the optimization just update the prebindings? This shouldn't have much an effect on the overall system performance alone. Besides, Jaguar does this automatically anyway. Correct me if I am wrong....

[rugby]

type 'diskutil' in terminal to see the option to enable journaling.

[Chad4Mac]

Originally posted by MacBandit



Yeah it was a big improvement. First time I went to use it it crashed after a few seconds. Other then that I notice no speed increase. Granted this is on a Dual/GHz/DDR with 1024MB of Ram and a Cable Modem.

From Apple:
Reduces the time required for switching between Sherlock channels when using a low-bandwidth connection.

Does what it says it's supposed to, granted my Powerbook 667 with 1024 Mb and 17 kbs iDSL connection. Sherlock works like a charm...

Chad4Mac

[G4scott]

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
It isnt working.... When i click install it stays in the "Software Update" app, the window with the updates becomes unselected, and nothing starts downloading. If i select "Install Checked" from the menu bar the same thing happens.

The same thing would happen to me. Did you install the "Skin a dock" 1.0 beta? I think it might have something to do with it. My iBook has been acting up lately, and I think that it's the root of my problem. I selected the 'download to desktop' option for the update, and the update just crashes every time I try to run it. I'm going to restart and try again...

[alset]

OK - I did some research and found a page that actually gets into Journaled Files Systems a bit.

Hope this helps,
Dan

The following text comes from

http://searchhp.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid6_gci284007,00.html

A journaling file system is a fault-resilient file system in which data integrity is ensured because updates to directories and bitmaps are constantly written to a serial log on disk before the original disk log is updated. In the event of a system failure, a full journaling filesystem ensures that the data on the disk has been restored to its pre-crash configuration. It also recovers unsaved data and stores it in the location where it would have gone if the computer had not crashed, making it an important feature for mission-critical applications.

[mnkeybsness]

iChat finally works right!!!!!

the only reason i haven't been using it up until now is that bug where my buddy list wouldn't update and i couldn't see messages people send to me...

...and for all of you who complain about multiple text lines... ichat enhancer (http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=16356&db=mac)

quit yer whining

[neuropolitique]

I had only one problem when installing 10.2.2. After the reboot I got a message saying one of my docklings (i only run one, vanity) might not work now. While it seems to run fine, my problem is my desktop. I usually don't keep any icons on my desktop. the exception is when i download files, or unstuff, etc. No, though, any icons on my desktop are further to the right than before, and when i unstuff, the new file in generated on the left hand of my desktop. anyone have any ideas on why, or how to fix?

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
It isnt working.... When i click install it stays in the "Software Update" app, the window with the updates becomes unselected, and nothing starts downloading. If i select "Install Checked" from the menu bar the same thing happens.

Same thing happened to me. If you have ClearDock or any BeachBall modders on, throw them away. Restart your comp, then try.

[chmorley]

Originally posted by reyesmac
Every time you install something big it always boosts speed because of the optimisations it does at the end of the install. If you do not install things on a regular basis, you will feel it more than others. I don't see that they did anything to improve the finder, so I don't think I will see anything drastic from this update as far as the finder goes. Don't know where you got your info, but you're wrong. As Centris Fan pointed out, the optimization is just updating of pre-bindings. As described in an Apple Knowledgebase document, "Optimizing" refers to the execution of a process called "update_prebinding," which allows applications to open faster by precalculating the address information of system data the applications use. This optimization is performed on the Mac OS X startup disk when Apple updates certain System components. Though update_prebinding may be executed manually, it is not necessary to use it at any other time.You just made your shît up. Fun sometimes, eh?

The reason people often believe their computers are running faster after updates is probably because it's what they want to see, so it's what they do see. When it comes to things that are easily measured, it's probably better just to measure it. Judgment is flawed.

Chris

[chmorley]

Originally posted by MacAztec
Same thing happened to me. If you have ClearDock or any BeachBall modders on, throw them away. Restart your comp, then try. I have ClearDock and it worked just fine. Same with my wife's iBook.

Chris

[G4scott]

Originally posted by MacAztec


Same thing happened to me. If you have ClearDock or any BeachBall modders on, throw them away. Restart your comp, then try.

I trashed my skin-a-dock program, and it still won't install... I think it has something to do with some files it changed... Time to go hunt down some pesky little files (although I think I'll try e-mailing the guys at the skin-a-dock place to find out for sure which files are ok to delete...)

Oh well.

The weirdest thing is that my Mail.app won't quit. I have to force-quit it whenever I want to get out of it. It's definitely not the best way to do things...

[MacAztec]

Same exact thing happened to me. When I forced quit, the mail app would become invisible in the dock.

[g4pismo]

Anyone out there have the Newer Pismo G4 upgrade? 10.2.2 is good, but I think my fan is in now stuck in overdrive.. then again.. I may be on crack..

[G4scott]

Originally posted by MacAztec
Same exact thing happened to me. When I forced quit, the mail app would become invisible in the dock.

OK, well I fixed mine. I found out that the problem was coming from the skin-a-dock haxie that I installed. If you've installed it, go to there web page (i'm not exactly sure where it is), and they have instructions to un-install all of the stuff that messes with your system. Once I did this and restarted, everything worked fine.

[iJon]

has anybody gotten this to work on a computer with a beta build of 10.2.2 doesnt seem to want to let me upgrade, i get errors. just wondering.

iJon

[Compufix]

Originally posted by iJon
has anybody gotten this to work on a computer with a beta build of 10.2.2 doesnt seem to want to let me upgrade, i get errors. just wondering.

iJon


when oh when will you guys learn. If you are going to leech betaware....then be prepared to possibly wipe out your system on a regular basis. You deserve anything you get...not only for playing around with private beta's (and I don't blame you totally..since you got it from somewhere where a valid beta tester leaked it......ass) but for ADMITING it in a public forum.

Good luck...

[iJon]

Originally posted by Compufix



when oh when will you guys learn. If you are going to leech betaware....then be prepared to possibly wipe out your system on a regular basis. You deserve anything you get...not only for playing around with private beta's (and I don't blame you totally..since you got it from somewhere where a valid beta tester leaked it......ass) but for ADMITING it in a public forum.

Good luck...
So what, i tried some beta ware. big deal. anyways i got the solution for anyone with problems with upgrading to 6f21 from a beta. you need to get the downgraders for you beta then install 6f21. i recieved these downgraders with my download of 6f17. i have the downgraders for 6f12, 14, 15, and 6. if you need these just email me or reply on this forum and i will email them to you.

iJon

[cyks]

Well- they may have updated it a little... but alas- not nearly enough. Heck, I would have been happy if they just fixed it to actually send "Away" messages....

Maybe next time. :(

[8thDegreeSavage]

Originally posted by Compufix



when oh when will you guys learn. If you are going to leech betaware....then be prepared to possibly wipe out your system on a regular basis. You deserve anything you get...not only for playing around with private beta's (and I don't blame you totally..since you got it from somewhere where a valid beta tester leaked it......ass) but for ADMITING it in a public forum.

Good luck...


Easy there Professor morality....

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by mojobreakfast


Nice try. Journaling has nothing to do, intrinsically, with UNIX "file systems". Also, a journaling file system will not help you recover from "any" sort of crash. It might help avoid extended disk constistency checks under certain circumstances but it is not foolproof.

Note also that while most of the time such disk consistency errors can be fixed transparently, there is always the chance that such an error will cause serious damage to your data. That having been said, HFS+ tends to have much fewer "unrecoverable" consistency error reports than, for instance, FAT32.

As for only preventing disk consistency errors: well, the NTFS form of journalling only goes that far, true, but a "true" journalling file system writes all disk operations to a journal before committing them to disk, thus ensuring that if your system crashes while you are saving a Word document you don't end up with a half-old/half-new document on disk.

Thing is, most consumer apps (such as Word in the example above) already include measures to ensure the same thing. Which is why the "average" user will see little to no benefit with JFS enabled.

In general, if you don't know what journalling is, you probably don't need or want it. Which is why it is hidden (need to use diskutils in a term window to turn it on); those who really need it (who will generally get it with an OS X Server update, not the consumer update) will know how to find it and enable it.

[eric_n_dfw]

In case anyone cares, open your terminal and type "man update_prebinding" That'll give you the manual on the back-end command used when Install is "Optimizing"

The 1st paragraph states:
update_prebinding tries to synchronize prebinding information for
libraries and executables when new files are added to a system. Prebind-
ing information is pre-calculated address information for libraries used
by a given executable or library. By pre-determining where a function in
another library is destined to be placed, the dynamic linker does not
have to resolve symbols at application startup time, and the application
can launch faster.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by iJon

So what, i tried some beta ware. big deal. anyways i got the solution for anyone with problems with upgrading to 6f21 from a beta. you need to get the downgraders for you beta then install 6f21. i recieved these downgraders with my download of 6f17. i have the downgraders for 6f12, 14, 15, and 6. if you need these just email me or reply on this forum and i will email them to you.

iJon


It's not so much as so what. It's more like yes you did steal a developer copy of a pre release system. Then I announced to the world that I did it. Now I'm wondering why they want to copyright protect everything. DUH!!!!

[Choppaface]

Improves the Find function of the Finder by no longer finding items in invisible folders.


this is not an improvement!!! >_< grrrrr

he he

how does one make hidden files visible w/out use of something like tinker tool?

[xample]

Originally posted by Choppaface


Improves the Find function of the Finder by no longer finding items in invisible folders.


this is not an improvement!!! >_< grrrrr

he he



Hehe they don't want people to be able to copy ipod content to their computer ;)

Before you could search for ".mp3" and copy everything from your friend's ipods

Xample

[foniks2020]

As for the Finder 'enhancement' of not searching invisible files... it is an option you can turn on by hittin CMD-F and adding visibilty criteria of all (both visible and invisible), on (visible), or off (invisible).

In practice this should speed up searches on commonly used file types like documents, apps, media, etc. and when you set it to search only invisible files it will speed up that search as well by ignoring all those types forementioned and just finding *NIX files/ iPod stuff.

[Megaquad]

Looks like Mac OS X server has journaling system:
Mac OS X Server Update 10.2.2
Enhancements to the following services and components: Mac OS Extended (HFS+) journaling, software RAID, NFS, FTP, Print services, Apache 2, WebMail, IP Firewall, LDAP, Open Directory Password Server, Workgroup Manager, Macintosh Manager and Security Update 2002-09-20.

[8thDegreeSavage]

[ no personal attacks, and don't try to circumvent the word censor ]

[woodsey]

Spent two and a half hours downloading it on my modem...

It finishes downloading, when an error pops up!
"The installer has encounted an error. Please select Install Checked Items from the Update Menu"

As you can understand I'm Pretty pissed off.

It seems this problem is quite common.

Does anyone know why it is not available from their website?

[woodsey]

Spent two and a half hours downloading it on my modem...

It finishes downloading, when an error pops up!
"The installer has encounted an error. Please select Install Checked Items from the Update Menu"

As you can understand I'm Pretty pissed off.

It seems software update problems are quite common.

Does anyone know why it is not available from their website?

[sandro]

just installed 10.2.2 and it went VERY smooth, and right away I saw difference with my Epson printer, before I installed 10.2.2 I had a lot of problems printing, sometimes it would just refuse to print, I would have to cancel the jobs and print again, NOW it prints right away the FIRST time.

[irmongoose]

I'm sooo happy. The movies channel which I had waited for for such a long time is now finally here!! (In Japan) :D :D

Other than that.. my customized beachball is not there anymore...



irmongoose

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by rugby
type 'diskutil' in terminal to see the option to enable journaling.
Is a journaling filesystem something that a regular home user wants? Are there any down sides?

Thanks.

[arn]

Originally posted by edesignuk

Is a journaling filesystem something that a regular home user wants? Are there any down sides?

Thanks.

it slows disk operations down because of the extra overhead...

as for whether or not a home user cares.... not sure yet... :)

arn

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by arn


it slows disk operations down because of the extra overhead...

as for whether or not a home user cares.... not sure yet... :)

arn
Thanks arn. I think I'll give it a miss for the time being then, I'e been fine so far without it, and I'll carry on being fine without it :)

[edesignuk]

Full explination of journaling from Apple themselves; here (http://a1216.g.akamai.net/7/1216/51/bbe3c6c1194208/www.apple.com/server/pdfs/L24481A_Journaling_TB.pdf).

[Apple][Forever]

hmmm...

when i was installing 10.2.2 via Software Update, my computer locked up hard, which it's never done. I had to reinstall 10.2 from CD which archived the old install (since I had 10.2.1 on). Now, with a fresh install, the machine's locked up twice hard (can't force quit, can't select anything, but mouse still moves). Only drivers i installed were Epson Print, Scanner, and M-Audio Delta 1010, which never locked up in 10.1.5 or 10.2/10.2.1. Weird.

[ipiloot]

Well. I thought that how in the earth would Apple launch storage solution if it doesn't have journaling. Therefore - expect storage unit announced soon.

[blakespot]

Originally posted by alset
[QUOTE]Originally posted by edesignuk
[B]Got it! What's the journalling filesystem thing all about? :confused:

It's a UNIX file system of sorts. It keeps logs in great detail about EVERYTHING that happens on a machine. I believe this is supposed to allow you to restore the machine to a given state after any sort of crash, etc. Word is that it reduces disk/system speed in the area of (I think) 15%. Not something the average user is likely to be very interested in.
Journaling filesystems do not have anything, inherently, to do with UNIX. Some of the more visible implementations of such filesystems of late are indeed in the Linux community. Apple hired the fellow who created BeOS' journaling filesystem a while back to implement such a filesystem on OS X and here we see it's debut.

Here's one explanation of what a JFS is. (http://searchhp.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid6_gci284007,00.html)


blakespot

[gandalf55]

no problems here updating 3 Macs to 10.2.2.

sherlock is snappier - but i don't ever really use it. my epson printer works perfectly now (instead of sometimes having to delete the printer and then adding it again in order to print) - everything seems cool here.

no journaling for me thanks :) but nice it's there.

[iJon]

Originally posted by MacBandit



It's not so much as so what. It's more like yes you did steal a developer copy of a pre release system. Then I announced to the world that I did it. Now I'm wondering why they want to copyright protect everything. DUH!!!!

Its like the other guy said, i forgot to look at what him screen name was again. I do have legal access to ADC and the beta builds of 10.2.2. I just had a problem with updating and apple has already acknowledged this problem. i found out you just needed the downgraders and i was just wondering before i found this out if anyone had gotten 6f21 on their existing 6fx system. so dont go preaching to me before you ask me. i know you guys didnt know but now you do. no hard feelings. just needed some help.

iJon

[digitalgiant]

Well I really dont see much improvment on my side. Sherlock no longer shows my favorite movie theater on the list:( Things seem somewhat faster,,,but it is nothing to jizz in your pant over. Downloading the update went very smooth for me (always does). Oooo,, all my stock listings are gone. Only the Apple stck remains. This is no biggie,, just a pain in the ass.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by iJon


Its like the other guy said, i forgot to look at what him screen name was again. I do have legal access to ADC and the beta builds of 10.2.2. I just had a problem with updating and apple has already acknowledged this problem. i found out you just needed the downgraders and i was just wondering before i found this out if anyone had gotten 6f21 on their existing 6fx system. so dont go preaching to me before you ask me. i know you guys didnt know but now you do. no hard feelings. just needed some help.

iJon


It would be a good thing in the future to mention that you are part of the ADC. Piracy is a huge no no on this website and is not condoned at all. The reason I believed you pirated it was you were asking on how to upgrade. Seems to me that a member of the ADC would ask Apple how to upgrade not us. Anyway you have explained it and thanks.

[Marvenp]

Since I live in Japan, the changes to Sherlock especially stood out for me. Now I can get local information as well as information from my native U.S. Cool! Didn't experience any of the upgrade problems the rest of you seem to be having. I guess I was just lucky. I installed it (10.2.2) on my 17inch iMac through Software Update without a hitch. The only thing I use for system enhancement is TransparentDock and it hasn't given me any troubles thus far.

On another note, anyone know how to Force Re-start an iMac? There is no re-start button (that I could find) and the ususal cmd+control+powr button doesn't seem to work. Ocassionally iDVD crashes and I have to re-start. So far I've been just pulling out the power cord but I know that can't be good for my system.

[idkew]

Originally posted by Marvenp


On another note, anyone know how to Force Re-start an iMac? There is no re-start button (that I could find) and the ususal cmd+control+powr button doesn't seem to work. Ocassionally iDVD crashes and I have to re-start. So far I've been just pulling out the power cord but I know that can't be good for my system.

My guess is you have a new LCD iMac. To do a force restart, hold the power button in for about 10 seconds, or until it turns off. then just turn her back on.

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Full explination of journaling from Apple themselves; here (http://a1216.g.akamai.net/7/1216/51/bbe3c6c1194208/www.apple.com/server/pdfs/L24481A_Journaling_TB.pdf).

Hmmm ... Sounds like Apple went the NTFS route (just file integrity checking, not data consistency assurance) instead of the full JFS route seen in ext3 (Linux's JFS implementation).

So, if you read my points earlier on about how a true JFS does more than just ensure that you don't have to do a file consistency check after a crash ... well, Apple says that's all their JFS is designed to avoid, so disregard my comments to the contrary.

Assuming Apple knows what it is talking about, the JFS will have virtually no significance to the home user. Has anyone here ever seen the file consistency check fail (I mean, both find an error and not be able to repair it)? Personally, I haven't, but then I also haven't crashed my Mac in quite a while (not since I rid myself of OS 9, in fact!) That is the one possibility that HFS+Journaling would prevent: an unrecoverable file system inconsistency.

For a home user, the extra time checking the file system on occasion might be an annoyance, but unless you are rebooting often or have to be able to get your machine back up instantly when you do (as a server would need), not more annoying than the overall disk slowdown that the JFS will cause.

On the other hand, the more restricted JFS implementation isn't the same performance hit that a full JFS implementation would be. It would be interesting to see some benchmark numbers there.

[insidedanshead]

Well after a night of 10.2.2.. I am THROUGHLY mad. . I have never been dissapointed with an update until now.. All i know is the update made it so that I cannot view ANY PDF files in preview.. i've tried everything to get them to work and nothing.. it locks up and I have to force quit.. and in iChat.. when someone tries connecting to me from AIM It AUTOMATICALLY logs me off.. Apple.. test your stuff before you release it.. real stuff.. I don't care if journaling works or whatever.. the standard end users want things like iChat and Preview to work.

ugh

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by insidedanshead
Well after a night of 10.2.2.. I am THROUGHLY mad. . I have never been dissapointed with an update until now.. All i know is the update made it so that I cannot view ANY PDF files in preview.. i've tried everything to get them to work and nothing.. it locks up and I have to force quit.. and in iChat.. when someone tries connecting to me from AIM It AUTOMATICALLY logs me off.. Apple.. test your stuff before you release it.. real stuff.. I don't care if journaling works or whatever.. the standard end users want things like iChat and Preview to work.

ugh
Sorry to hear about all your problems....you be p*ssed to hear that mine went perfectly and is still running as smooth and stable as ever! ...Sorry :cool:

[insidedanshead]

Haha.. no I'm not pissed.. there been plenty of people who have had problems out there that I just could never imagine having.. could any of you try that though? Have somone on AIM direct connect to you on iChat.. or try opening a PDF in preview.. let me know your results..

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by insidedanshead
...could any of you try that though? Have somone on AIM direct connect to you on iChat.. or try opening a PDF in preview.. let me know your results..
I've opened plenty of PDF's in Preview with no trouble at all.

[BenderBot1138]

Seems like there're some big inclusions in .two :D

Is the Journaling system the best of these?

Apple's .2 update page (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosxupdate.html) really appears to show a robust upgrade.

I really got the impression that Rendevous and the Digital Hub are here. Seems sometimes like people are noticing, while other times not. I find when I read the MacRumors posts, there's a good amount of extra incite into such changes. That's when I get the full picture and in the words of Emeril... BAM!

The AddressBook and Mail improvements alone would be worth it, but look at all the other stuff... thanks Apple.

:cool:

[edesignuk]

For anyone who has had trouble with the update via Software Update, you can download the full installer from here (http://wsidecar.apple.com/cgi-bin/nph-reg3rdpty1.pl/product=02110&platform=osx&method=sa/MacOSXUpdate10.2.2.dmg.bin).

[iJon]

Originally posted by MacBandit



It would be a good thing in the future to mention that you are part of the ADC. Piracy is a huge no no on this website and is not condoned at all. The reason I believed you pirated it was you were asking on how to upgrade. Seems to me that a member of the ADC would ask Apple how to upgrade not us. Anyway you have explained it and thanks.
Believe me i looked. i even found an article on macentral.com on it and how beta people couldnt install it. but at the time i hadnt installed 6f17 which i had downloaded. when i opened the dmg file i noticed a small thing in the readme about having to downgrade. did that and everything worked fine. im sorry guys i didnt mention i had access to adc and i should have because i know how angry you guys get about pirated software. thought i could have been some help to some people who installed the beta versions, pirated or not. sorry again.

iJon

[grungex]

It is getting to the point where I look forward to new updates. sometimes just knowing that my Mac is up to date and happy is enough for me.

I am amazed that so many people are having a hard time.

But this should put things into perspective:

I am the Director of Multimedia
(http://www.digirom.com - shameless plug!)
and I work on both Macs and PC's as everything I create must be cross platform. I often use my TiPowerbook 550 at work (It's the best machine in the office) and decided to update to 10.2.2.

Well I had noticed that the previous DoM had NEVER updated the win2k machines in my studio. I decided to update those as well.

My 10.2.2 update downloaded and installed in 45 minutes without an error.

The Win2K machines took over 3 hours to download and update due to having to restart every time a service pack was installed and multiple crashes during download and installs (Had to reinstall Win2K twice today) and start over.

Now doesn't that make all you feel so much better?

Hell it makes me feel a bit better.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by iJon

Believe me i looked. i even found an article on macentral.com on it and how beta people couldnt install it. but at the time i hadnt installed 6f17 which i had downloaded. when i opened the dmg file i noticed a small thing in the readme about having to downgrade. did that and everything worked fine. im sorry guys i didnt mention i had access to adc and i should have because i know how angry you guys get about pirated software. thought i could have been some help to some people who installed the beta versions, pirated or not. sorry again.

iJon

Not a problem thank you for explaining your situation.

It's just that if you want your rights trampeled on just abuse them. That is exactly what piraters are doing. The rest of us will pay for there unjust deeds.

[iJon]

Originally posted by MacBandit


Not a problem thank you for explaining your situation.

It's just that if you want your rights trampeled on just abuse them. That is exactly what piraters are doing. The rest of us will pay for there unjust deeds.
Well said MacBandit. I completely know how you feel. its good to know we cleared that up. No hard feelings.

iJon

[ibjoshua]

The standalone download link has been miscoded.

the correct link for the incremental (not combo) update is:
http://download.info.apple.com/Mac_OS_X/061-0196.20021111.BnSP9/2Z/MacOSXUpdate10.2.2.dmg.bin

I don't have time to read all the posts so I apologise now if this has already been pointed out.

[8thDegreeSavage]

IM still confused about the idea of pirating something that is free.....I dont understand that logic.

[mdurell]

Originally posted by 8thDegreeSavage
IM still confused about the idea of pirating something that is free.....I dont understand that logic.

Just because it doesn't cost anything doesn't mean it's free.

Apple doesn't post beta releases to the general public but, rather, a select few ADC members. As part of the user agreement either with the download's EULA and/or through the ADC EULA these selected few are obligated to NOT give out Apple's IP which the beta release squarly falls-under.

Many people download these beta releases by means non-sanctioned by Apple. This, in effect, is theft of Apple's IP.

Is this the same thing as downloading Photoshop? Legally speaking (and IANAL), yes. Do you really think Apple cares that extra people are beta testing thier product? Probably not unless these people are dumb enough to call tech support and gripe that it broke thier system and you can be sure that there are more than a few with each beta release.

I've decided to spare you the rant about 'free-as-in-beer' vs. 'free-as-in-speech' software. Be happy.

[Marvenp]

Originally posted by idkew


My guess is you have a new LCD iMac. To do a force restart, hold the power button in for about 10 seconds, or until it turns off. then just turn her back on.

Thanks. I'll try that the next time I need to force re-start. I wonder why Apple chose not to include that button on the new iMacs. Did they think the iMacs would be invincible or what? Anyway, off the topic so no one need respond; just thinking out loud.

[8thDegreeSavage]

Originally posted by mdurell


Just because it doesn't cost anything doesn't mean it's free.

Apple doesn't post beta releases to the general public but, rather, a select few ADC members. As part of the user agreement either with the download's EULA and/or through the ADC EULA these selected few are obligated to NOT give out Apple's IP which the beta release squarly falls-under.

Many people download these beta releases by means non-sanctioned by Apple. This, in effect, is theft of Apple's IP.

Is this the same thing as downloading Photoshop? Legally speaking (and IANAL), yes. Do you really think Apple cares that extra people are beta testing thier product? Probably not unless these people are dumb enough to call tech support and gripe that it broke thier system and you can be sure that there are more than a few with each beta release.

I've decided to spare you the rant about 'free-as-in-beer' vs. 'free-as-in-speech' software. Be happy.



Your the only person on this thread that has explained it within reason. Thank you.

[TechLarry]

Originally posted by mojobreakfast


Nice try. Journaling has nothing to do, intrinsically, with UNIX "file systems". Also, a journaling file system will not help you recover from "any" sort of crash. It might help avoid extended disk constistency checks under certain circumstances but it is not foolproof.

You are correct.

In fact, Windows NT/2K/XP NTFS File System is a journaling file system.

Think of it like this. When you have a journaled file system, the file system is maintained sort of like a large database...

TL

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by TechLarry


You are correct.

In fact, Windows NT/2K/XP NTFS File System is a journaling file system.

Think of it like this. When you have a journaled file system, the file system is maintained sort of like a large database...

TL

True, except the NTFS (and apparently HFS+) JFS implementations only journal disk-level file writes, not application-level file writes.

In other words, wheras with a database if you changed 100 rows and the power went out before you hit "commit", those rows would be lost (and if the power went out after you hit "commit" but before commit returned, the changes would be committed after power returns), if you open an existing file in NTFS, write a bunch of data, then the power goes out, when you get the machine back up you have a file with a bunch of new data, then a bunch of old data (which, generally speaking, means a file that is unusable).

So it's not quite like a database. The file allocation table (or whatever index you want to call it) is like a database, but not the file system itself.

On the other hand, perhaps Longhorn or Blackcomb (the 2003/4 and 2005 Windows releases ... one of which is supposed to reimplement the file system as a database) might fix that.

[Griffindor73]

Has anyone had problems with the date and time since doing this update? Everytime I wake my old 400Mhz DV iMac up the date and time refuses to change from the time it last went to sleep- also Internet Connect wont work until I re-set it to the correct time. It didn't do this before 10.2.2.!

[chmorley]

Originally posted by Griffindor73
Has anyone had problems with the date and time since doing this update? Everytime I wake my old 400Mhz DV iMac up the date and time refuses to change from the time it last went to sleep- also Internet Connect wont work until I re-set it to the correct time. It didn't do this before 10.2.2.! Nope. No problems here (TiBook 667).

Chris