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GodBless
Aug 4, 2005, 06:50 PM
By moving a finger over the tiny nub atop the mouse, users can quickly scroll through images, editing timelines or other documents in every direction: up, down, left, right, and anywhere in between.It isn't a nub, it is a ball.

Naturally, this style doesn't come cheap. The Mighty Mouse costs $49 -- a good $15 to $35 more than an off-the-shelf PC equivalent.What PC equivalent?! :eek: There is none!

Microsoft is often dubbed "The Borg," a technological monolith that co-opts everything it touches -- but this time, it seems, Apple's the one doing the assimilating.Ignorant PC user. First he calls Apple's new revolutionary mouse equivalent to other mice that have been the same for years. Second he says that Apple is assimilating what Microsoft has already made. Can he give us examples? No because they don't exist. Microsoft is the assimilator to Apple. Maybe he needs to read this BusinessWeek article (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_31/b3945407.htm) that says that Apple is the most innovative company in the world and that Microsoft is in 3rd place.

Steve Jobs' famous Reality Distortion FieldIt should be called Steve Jobs' Reality Enhancement Field. After Steve releases a new product, the product ends up enhancing our reality when we use it.

polyesterlester
Aug 5, 2005, 02:17 AM
It isn't a nub, it is a ball.

What PC equivalent?! :eek: There is none!

Ignorant PC user. First he calls Apple's new revolutionary mouse equivalent to other mice that have been the same for years. Second he says that Apple is assimilating what Microsoft has already made. Can he give us examples? No because they don't exist. Microsoft is the assimilator to Apple. Maybe he needs to read this BusinessWeek article (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_31/b3945407.htm) that says that Apple is the most innovative company in the world and that Microsoft is in 3rd place.

It should be called Steve Jobs' Reality Enhancement Field. After Steve releases a new product, the product ends up enhancing our reality when we use it.

OMG[Bless]. I'm a pretty die-hard Apple fan, but even I wouldn't go to the lengths you do to make it sound like every product from Apple is original, revolutionary, and that Apple can do no wrong.

shamino
Aug 5, 2005, 10:52 AM
He seems amazed that the Mighty Mouse is Windows compatible.

Given that generic USB mice work with Mac OS, it would stand to reason that an Apple mouse would work on a PC as well.

Should anybody tell him that the classic Apple mouse is too? True, you don't have a button to right-click, but it still works. (And depending on what apps you have, the results are often quite useable. Especially if you have a 104-key keyboard with the "menu" button for getting context menus to pop up.)

GodBless
Aug 5, 2005, 03:40 PM
OMG[Bless]. I'm a pretty die-hard Apple fan, but even I wouldn't go to the lengths you do to make it sound like every product from Apple is original, revolutionary, and that Apple can do no wrong.I don't think Apple is perfect in fact I don't like all of their products at all. I especially don't like Mac OS 9, AppleWorks and Pages.

What I do think though is that they make a lot of revolutionary and innovative products and they don't always get the credit for it. I like how most of their products benefit me because of how well they are designed.

I never knew much about Apple at all until about 3 years ago when I had a friend who had a Mac with OS X Jaguar (10.2) and showed me a few reasons why Macs are better than the Windows PCs I used. Prior to that I thought Windows was the best OS around and the Mac OS was far behind. Boy was I wrong. But just think, there are a lot of other people out there who think the exact thing I did 3 years ago. Because of my experience, I am determined to spread knowledge of good products to people who want to know about them. Since Apple makes innovative products that are some of the best products in the world, I want everybody to know about the company's products and benefit from them.

AlmostThere
Aug 5, 2005, 05:01 PM
He seems amazed that the Mighty Mouse is Windows compatible.

Given that generic USB mice work with Mac OS, it would stand to reason that an Apple mouse would work on a PC as well.

Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/mightymouse.ars/2) point out that horizontal scrolling and squeezing don't work under Windows. I don't really feel is it 'compatible' if the major differentiating features don't work. It certainly needs to be clarification between 'minimally' and 'fully' compatible, ars technica do not describe something that "works seamlessly"

Or are Ars Technica incorrect?

shamino
Aug 5, 2005, 05:05 PM
Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/mightymouse.ars/2) point out that horizontal scrolling and squeezing don't work under Windows.
How could it work without a driver? It's not like the USB mouse spec says anything about horizontal scrolling.

But this is no different from other specialty mice (like ones with lots of buttons, or specialized gaming controls) that also require drivers in order to use more than the generic functionality.
I don't really feel is it 'compatible' if the major differentiating features don't work. It certainly needs to be clarification between 'minimally' and 'fully' compatible.

Or are Ars Technica incorrect?
I'm sure that it will require a Windows driver in order for apps to see the horizontal axis and the squeeze-button. But I'd be surprised if it would be hard to write such a driver. I suspect you'll find a third-party driver (maybe an open source download) pretty soon to take care of that. Depending on how much Microsoft likes/hates this device, you might even see it come from them.

AlmostThere
Aug 6, 2005, 06:09 AM
I am not suggesting any mechanism for implementing it. I am pointing out that the guy wrote that it works seamlessly with Windows.

Unless Ars Technica are wrong, this statement is disingenuous at best, flat out wrong at worst.

If I buy a colour 'Windows' printer which only prints in black and white under OS X, I would have an issue saying that the printer works seamlessly and the with use of the word compatible. I buy a colour printer (N button mouse) because I want colour printing (N button functionality).

How could it work without a driver?
Quite. Which is why I too would be surprised if it worked seamlessly under windows. Having said that, under XP SP2 the only 5 button mouse I have to hand does indeed work seamlessly, mapping thumb buttons to back and forward (in both IE and Firefox).

At the end of the day, I think these mice look quite cool, if they work on windows I would very likely go out and buy one. I like trying different mice (but still have not found anything to beat the three+scroll) and an Apple one is worth checking out. I just don't want something that is going to be another device that is at best partially compatible to share between my PB and PC. Thus far, I'll stick with Ars and keep the cash in my pocket.

Mr.Hostility
Aug 6, 2005, 11:16 AM
Looks like a mouse. It's a nice looking mouse, I'd think about getting one for my mini, but it's still just a mouse. Nothing too revolutionary, except Apple adding the 2nd mouse button. :p