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jacob.schmidt
Aug 13, 2012, 07:06 AM
Hi guys!

I'm 'bout to order the MBA 13/i5/8gb. I've had a couple of MBA's before and just love the machine!

I'm a student so don't have the money to justify the Retina MBP, also the weight is kindda important, making the MBA a no brainer.

BUT - how are the chances for a retina MBA this year (around october/september along with the normal keynotes?). Personally I don't expect seeing it until a year from now, but rumors has it, that the MBP13 might get an retina update around sep.

I know this is just pure speculation, but any thoughts on this?



maflynn
Aug 13, 2012, 07:10 AM
If you need to get one now, then by all means buy one. If however you can delay the purchase you'll be better off see if apple does come out with a 13" retina MBP.

I'm not sure we'll see a retina MBA quite yet, as they'll probably want to get the MBP family to have retina displays first. Plus I don't think it makes much of business sense quite yet

MarcDean
Aug 13, 2012, 07:13 AM
I think it's highly unlikely that the MBA is getting a Retina display this or next year. The technology is just not there yet, but perhaps early 2014.

You can wait if you want. It's rumors and nobody other than Apple knows if there is going to one released by september/october. But than again, you can just keep waiting and waiting..
If the rMBP13" is going to be released this year as well, it's difinitely going to have another price tag than the current generation.. More along the lines of the rMBP. Just get the MBA and its going to make you happy! The screen is great and the machine is a beast and is perfect for a student like you and my self.

jacob.schmidt
Aug 13, 2012, 07:14 AM
If you need to get one now, then by all means buy one. If however you can delay the purchase you'll be better off see if apple does come out with a 13" retina MBP.

I'm not sure we'll see a retina MBA quite yet, as they'll probably want to get the MBP family to have retina displays first. Plus I don't think it makes much of business sense quite yet

I agree. Well, I can surely be waiting, but I'd really like to have one as soon I'll be returning my current one.

Don't see it neither, also the price would sure be a lot higher!

RightMACatU
Aug 13, 2012, 07:15 AM
A bit confused here. Do you want our opinion on if you should buy now or wait for the rMBA or are you starting ANOTHER thread on a potential rMBA?

jacob.schmidt
Aug 13, 2012, 07:18 AM
I think it's highly unlikely that the MBA is getting a Retina display this or next year. The technology is just not there yet, but perhaps early 2014.

You can wait if you want. It's rumors and nobody other than Apple knows if there is going to one released by september/october. But than again, you can just keep waiting and waiting..
If the rMBP13" is going to be released this year as well, it's difinitely going to have another price tag than the current generation.. More along the lines of the rMBP. Just get the MBA and its going to make you happy! The screen is great and the machine is a beast and is perfect for a student like you and my self.

I know. If possible, I would LOVE to keep my current Air (1.7, C2D, 13", 256) but since it has to go back to my brother, I have to buy another one. And no matter which one I'll buy it'll be better than the one I had. It's just purely economically, that making the most future-proof thing is smart. Aaaaand, future-proofing in technology is just impossible :)

And sure - the price would be a quite different one!

MarcDean
Aug 13, 2012, 07:24 AM
I know. If possible, I would LOVE to keep my current Air (1.7, C2D, 13", 256) but since it has to go back to my brother, I have to buy another one. And no matter which one I'll buy it'll be better than the one I had. It's just purely economically, that making the most future-proof thing is smart. Aaaaand, future-proofing in technology is just impossible :)

And sure - the price would be a quite different one!

It's quite impossible indeed! But you have to get it sooner or later right? ;)
I would definitely get the 13"/8GB/i5 or i7, depending on your needs, SSD and budget. For future proofing, the most essential thing will the the RAM so that's a no brainer.
I just got a 13"/i7/8GB/256SSD and its a really great machine! It exceeded all of my expectations and I am sure this machine will at least get me through the next 3 years of college, which by then, it'll pass to one of my siblings and I've saved enough money for a rMBA by then. ;)

jacob.schmidt
Aug 13, 2012, 07:33 AM
It's quite impossible indeed! But you have to get it sooner or later right? ;)
I would definitely get the 13"/8GB/i5 or i7, depending on your needs, SSD and budget. For future proofing, the most essential thing will the the RAM so that's a no brainer.
I just got a 13"/i7/8GB/256SSD and its a really great machine! It exceeded all of my expectations and I am sure this machine will at least get me through the next 3 years of college, which by then, it'll pass to one of my siblings and I've saved enough money for a rMBA by then. ;)

True, true. I'd like to get the i7, but the price here in europe for the top-model Air is just ridiculous. And can't upgrade the low-end 13" to i7 for some reason (damn you Apple).. Also the 256gb is quite overkill for me. Have it now, and used about 70gigs.. Yeah, the RAM is quite important and that'll be what I'm upgrading - from 4 to 8..

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A bit confused here. Do you want our opinion on if you should buy now or wait for the rMBA or are you starting ANOTHER thread on a potential rMBA?

Huh?.. You might get the answer, if you read the post and dropped the sarcasm.

Seamaster
Aug 13, 2012, 07:37 AM
My guess is that retina screens will be the key differentiator between the Pro and Air lines for the next couple of years at least. In the same way Apple has continued to sell the iPad 2 alongside the new iPad, and the iPhone 3GS alongside the 4/4S, the non-retina Air will continue to sell alongside the retina Pros. There'll be no retina Air until retina screens become the defacto standard for all notebooks.

jacob.schmidt
Aug 13, 2012, 07:43 AM
My guess is that retina screens will be the key differentiator between the Pro and Air lines for the next couple of years at least. In the same way Apple has continued to sell the iPad 2 alongside the new iPad, and the iPhone 3GS alongside the 4/4S, the non-retina Air will continue to sell alongside the retina Pros. There'll be no retina Air until retina screens become the defacto standard for all notebooks.

Yeah, you might have a good point. Also it would be insane if Apple upgraded their MBP's (and/or Air) to retina with so short distance between the last upgrade (62 days ago).

MarcDean
Aug 13, 2012, 07:50 AM
True, true. I'd like to get the i7, but the price here in europe for the top-model Air is just ridiculous. And can't upgrade the low-end 13" to i7 for some reason (damn you Apple).. Also the 256gb is quite overkill for me. Have it now, and used about 70gigs.. Yeah, the RAM is quite important and that'll be what I'm upgrading - from 4 to 8..[COLOR="#808080"]


You are absolutely right. I paid so much for mine it's not even funny.
But I do just love the machine! It was a great investment in my opinion. I love the machine and there is nothing that I can complain about. It just works!

Yea, I've used 50 gigs so far, and I really need to use a whole lot more.
But now that I've got it, I might put some movies on here and a bit more music. We'll see. :)

urkel
Aug 13, 2012, 08:05 AM
My opinion is that if you need to buy NOW then save several hundred bucks and get a 2011 model since its the best value and the 2012 doesn't offer much beyond USB3 and a slight performance bump. But if you can wait then theres a good chance we'll see Retina and new hardware design on the next generation.

aircanman
Aug 13, 2012, 08:23 AM
Buy what you need now, there is no point waiting. Personally I think the MBP will be phased out in about 2 years to make way for Retina versions of the MBA 11/13 and possibly a 15 and the Retina MBP, the need for a CD drive is reducing and the price of SSD is coming down, making SSD the drive of choice in the future.

kodeman53
Aug 13, 2012, 08:25 AM
BUT - how are the chances for [fill in technology] this [fill in timeframe]. Personally I don't expect seeing it [fill in guess], but rumors has it, [fill in latest rumor]

The following have been true since the first personal computer was announced;

1. No one knows what features the next models will have.
2. No one knows when they will be available.
3. The new models will be faster than the current models.
4. The new models will have larger capacity.
5. If you wait, the prices will drop.
6. No one but you knows your financial situation.
7. No one but you knows if the unknown feature set of the unannounced product will benefit you.
8. If you need it now, buy it now but you will pay more versus waiting. (See Item 5)
9. Buying the previous generation is cheaper.
10. There's no such thing as 'future proofing'. See Items 3 and 4.

Calot
Aug 13, 2012, 09:07 AM
Hi guys!

I'm 'bout to order the MBA 13/i5/8gb. I've had a couple of MBA's before and just love the machine!

I'm a student so don't have the money to justify the Retina MBP, also the weight is kindda important, making the MBA a no brainer.

BUT - how are the chances for a retina MBA this year (around october/september along with the normal keynotes?). Personally I don't expect seeing it until a year from now, but rumors has it, that the MBP13 might get an retina update around sep.

I know this is just pure speculation, but any thoughts on this?

If you can wait two years.... Very unlikely to have retina by next year.

Wokis
Aug 13, 2012, 09:09 AM
My opinion is that if you need to buy NOW then save several hundred bucks and get a 2011 model since its the best value and the 2012 doesn't offer much beyond USB3 and a slight performance bump. But if you can wait then theres a good chance we'll see Retina and new hardware design on the next generation. Oh you're just seeing in a way a MBA 2011 owner would do. ;) Downplay HD4000, USB3 and 8GB RAM, and hope for "the bigger" upgrade when it's time for you to get the new one ^^

Obviously I'm the other one, who praise those parts ;)

I'm having a hard time foreseeing anything about next year's MBA. Maybe apple are having a hard time figuring it out themselves. Is retina going to be the difference between Pro and Air? Is a re-design necessary for the MBA?

Maybe they'll just scramble it all up and make two "new" product lines, where the Air will simply be called the Macbook and the Pro will be the line with the highest specs and perhaps a thing like a dedicated GPU to set them apart.

urkel
Aug 13, 2012, 11:08 AM
Oh you're just seeing in a way a MBA 2011 owner would do. ;) Downplay HD4000, USB3 and 8GB RAM, and hope for "the bigger" upgrade when it's time for you to get the new one ^^

Obviously I'm the other one, who praise those parts ;)
Huh? I went from 2011 MBA to a 2012 MBA so my opinion is based off of ownership.

For me, I use the Air primarily for Aperture and the difference with the faster drives and faster HD4000 simply wasn't that big. And considering you can buy a 2011 model for significantly less then if you lump the two generations together then the 2011 is the one that made the bigger "leap" compared to the previous year. And if the OP is thinking retina and has owned "several Airs" then why not save money or use what you have until the next version shows up.

Dustman
Aug 13, 2012, 11:09 AM
I'd buy now. :) The display is already nice, with an IGP I'd think the MBA would be crippled with a retina display until graphics get a tad better.

bubbleboyjones
Aug 13, 2012, 11:52 AM
My opinion is that if you need to buy NOW then save several hundred bucks and get a 2011 model since its the best value and the 2012 doesn't offer much beyond USB3 and a slight performance bump. But if you can wait then theres a good chance we'll see Retina and new hardware design on the next generation.

I would say the 8GB option is a big advantage for the 2012. If was able to get 8GB on a 2011 I would get it in a heart beat.

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Maybe they'll just scramble it all up and make two "new" product lines, where the Air will simply be called the Macbook and the Pro will be the line with the highest specs and perhaps a thing like a dedicated GPU to set them apart.

Thats exactly whats going to happen in the coming years(imo). The Pro's are becoming more like Airs as time goes on while the Airs become more like Pro's.

jacob.schmidt
Aug 13, 2012, 01:54 PM
Okay, as first stated this is pure speculations, but thanks for your answers and suggestions..

I do think we'll see a MBP13 retina within a couple of months, so I guess the question is turning into; buy mba 13 now or wait for mbp retina 13 :D

stchman
Aug 13, 2012, 02:23 PM
If I'm not mistaken Apple has not even talked of introducing a Retina based Macbook Air. I personally think we will see a rMBA in the future, but I don't know when.

aaronvan
Aug 13, 2012, 02:43 PM
Okay, as first stated this is pure speculations, but thanks for your answers and suggestions..

I do think we'll see a MBP13 retina within a couple of months, so I guess the question is turning into; buy mba 13 now or wait for mbp retina 13 :D

You believe Apple will release a rMBA in September? Highly, highly doubtful.

jacob.schmidt
Aug 13, 2012, 03:06 PM
You believe Apple will release a rMBA in September? Highly, highly doubtful.

Totally agree. I also meant that they might release a mbpr 13". Which is why the question is whether to want (and wait for) a mbpr 13 or current MBA 13 ;)

dkersten
Aug 13, 2012, 03:11 PM
There will be no retina MBA for at least a year. However there maybe a 13in Retina Pro later this fall.

Tanax
Aug 13, 2012, 03:15 PM
Hi guys!

I'm 'bout to order the MBA 13/i5/8gb. I've had a couple of MBA's before and just love the machine!

I'm a student so don't have the money to justify the Retina MBP, also the weight is kindda important, making the MBA a no brainer.

BUT - how are the chances for a retina MBA this year (around october/september along with the normal keynotes?). Personally I don't expect seeing it until a year from now, but rumors has it, that the MBP13 might get an retina update around sep.

I know this is just pure speculation, but any thoughts on this?

Retina MBA this year? No chance what so ever, AT ALL. Zilch. Zero. The thermal problem would become too big.

As for the Retina MBP 13", might come. But that's another story and not relevant to the thread really.

Blackberryroid
Aug 13, 2012, 03:17 PM
Integrated graphics isn't going to power the Retina Display nicely. We'll have to wait until Intel HD Graphics becomes as powerful as today's dedicated GPUs.

725032
Aug 13, 2012, 03:22 PM
Hi guys!

I'm 'bout to order the MBA 13/i5/8gb. I've had a couple of MBA's before and just love the machine!

I'm a student so don't have the money to justify the Retina MBP, also the weight is kindda important, making the MBA a no brainer.

BUT - how are the chances for a retina MBA this year (around october/september along with the normal keynotes?). Personally I don't expect seeing it until a year from now, but rumors has it, that the MBP13 might get an retina update around sep.

I know this is just pure speculation, but any thoughts on this?

0 chance this year... fact

NuggetSauce
Aug 13, 2012, 04:31 PM
Apple needs a lower priced laptop aimed at casual consumers, and a high end laptop aimed for power users. I don't see them giving the Air the retina display because it would cannabalize their Pro sales. The Pro needs to have desireable features that the Air doesn't have in order to keep the sales balanced.

Just like Apple won't give the iPod Touch the higher res camera w/ flash, GPS, and 3G internet capability that the iPhone has. If they did, iPhone sales would suffer.

Besides, battery life is more important to the Air than the Pro, and retina displays require more power and consumes more battery life.

I've used the retina display on the iPod Touch, and iPad. While it is gorgeous, there are still not a lot of software for the OSX, or websites that supports Retina. But it's only a matter of time before competitors catch up, and retina level resolution is commonplace, and all software and websites will support it.

Beau10
Aug 13, 2012, 09:25 PM
My take is it will definitely not happen until Haswell hits which in a ULV variant will be late summer/fall next year.

GPU speed will be up 2.5x and power consumption will be down considerably which may make a rMBA feasible.

plucky duck
Aug 13, 2012, 09:59 PM
Is current HD4000 iGPU performance enough to drive a retina display on the Air if there were one today? It'll be more likely when Haswell rolls around the corner.

magbarn
Aug 13, 2012, 10:12 PM
Definitely no rMBA this year. Haswell also won't be a huge power improvement as it's built on the same process as ivy bridge.

Roman2K~
Aug 13, 2012, 10:29 PM
Is current HD4000 iGPU performance enough to drive a retina display on the Air if there were one today? It'll be more likely when Haswell rolls around the corner.

The rMBP runs fine on the HD4000 at the same resolution as the 13" MBA (1440x900). Choppy in Lion, mostly smooth in ML.

The IGP wouldn't be a limiting factor for a rMBA, driving the built-in display only. I guess it would have trouble driving an external display in addition, though. That may be why the discrete GPU takes over when a monitor is plugged in to the rMBP.

Obviously, a dGPU in a MBA is not an option. So yes, because of the possibility of an external monitor, I think Apple will have to wait for faster IGPs (Haswell).

J&JPolangin
Aug 13, 2012, 11:53 PM
Integrated graphics isn't going to power the Retina Display nicely. We'll have to wait until Intel HD Graphics becomes as powerful as today's dedicated GPUs.

...Intel Graphics suck so this will take quite some time to happen...also the batteries in the MBA's just aren't up to powering a rMBA for any decent length of time at this point = I'd say 3 generations at the earliest:eek:

Or it won't happen at all and just be kept on the rMBP line:p

Stingray454
Aug 14, 2012, 07:16 AM
Haswell seems to add a nice boost to graphics performance, from what I hear. But still - I doubt we'll EVER see a retina MBA. Or, I certainly HOPE not.

I think the 11" screen (and 13" too) are perfect for their use-cases - on the road, on the table when watching TV, in bed, checking email in your summer house, or whatever. Width retina we'd get quadruple resolution, which would mean four times as slow graphics, and probably much more power drain. I just don't think it's worth the trade-off, especially on such a small screen. This would totally kill anything without a discrete gpu, so gaming on the MBA (which currently works ok) would be out of the question. If you want to use your MBA in high resolutions, get an external monitor with retina resolution imo.

jksu
Aug 14, 2012, 08:41 AM
so no retina MBA for 2013 but you think it will be IPS screen? or just haswell CPU upgrade for 2013?

LYFK
Aug 14, 2012, 10:23 AM
Anyone wanting a rMBA now should probably just get the 13" rMBP in Oct.

I think a rMBA is very possible, but the design priority for a MBA will always be, 'thin-ness'. So a Retina-worthy screen will appear if it helps the product meet the ideal criteria of dramatically thinner, better performing & the same battery life.

And if it does, it means that the MBA is not just getting a better screen, but a major redesign, when will that reasonably happen and can you really afford to wait for it?

rdj
Aug 14, 2012, 11:51 AM
The following have been true since the first personal computer was announced;

1. No one knows what features the next models will have.
2. No one knows when they will be available.
3. The new models will be faster than the current models.
4. The new models will have larger capacity.
5. If you wait, the prices will drop.
6. No one but you knows your financial situation.
7. No one but you knows if the unknown feature set of the unannounced product will benefit you.
8. If you need it now, buy it now but you will pay more versus waiting. (See Item 5)
9. Buying the previous generation is cheaper.
10. There's no such thing as 'future proofing'. See Items 3 and 4.

You forgot:

11. If you do save some money buying the previous generation, you may find your hardware orphaned by an OS X update with little warning.

I used to subscribe to points 1-10 above and nearly always bought my Macs a generation behind current. Having quite recently learned that I have a perfectly operational and powerful MBP that won't run Mountain Lion because it was made in early rather than late 2009, however, point 11 is now sadly the more significant factor to me.

For me to take advantage of the new cross-machine collaboration features of Mountain Lion with my new (2012) 27" iMac, then, I'd have to purchase an MBA or MBP. Or forego the attractive new functionality of ML with Lion on the old MBP.

It's so close to "that announcement time of year", if your decision might be affected by the new stuff and you can afford to wait before deciding what to purchase, I would. Buying behind the curve ain't what it used to be.

jacob.schmidt
Aug 14, 2012, 12:10 PM
You forgot:

11. If you do save some money buying the previous generation, you may find your hardware orphaned by an OS X update with little warning.

I used to subscribe to points 1-10 above and nearly always bought my Macs a generation behind current. Having quite recently learned that I have a perfectly operational and powerful MBP that won't run Mountain Lion because it was made in early rather than late 2009, however, point 11 is now sadly the more significant factor to me.

For me to take advantage of the new cross-machine collaboration features of Mountain Lion with my new (2012) 27" iMac, then, I'd have to purchase an MBA or MBP. Or forego the attractive new functionality of ML with Lion on the old MBP.

It's so close to "that announcement time of year", if your decision might be affected by the new stuff and you can afford to wait before deciding what to purchase, I would. Buying behind the curve ain't what it used to be.

Yeah, well.. I could really use a new mac before september, but also have the option to use a windows laptop for a while... Uhmm.. :rolleyes:

ayres
Aug 14, 2012, 12:19 PM
My guess is that retina screens will be the key differentiator between the Pro and Air lines for the next couple of years at least. In the same way Apple has continued to sell the iPad 2 alongside the new iPad, and the iPhone 3GS alongside the 4/4S, the non-retina Air will continue to sell alongside the retina Pros. There'll be no retina Air until retina screens become the defacto standard for all notebooks.

x2

kodeman53
Aug 14, 2012, 12:22 PM
You forgot:

11. If you do save some money buying the previous generation, you may find your hardware orphaned by an OS X update with little warning.

I used to subscribe to points 1-10 above and nearly always bought my Macs a generation behind current. Having quite recently learned that I have a perfectly operational and powerful MBP that won't run Mountain Lion because it was made in early rather than late 2009, however, point 11 is now sadly the more significant factor to me.

For me to take advantage of the new cross-machine collaboration features of Mountain Lion with my new (2012) 27" iMac, then, I'd have to purchase an MBA or MBP. Or forego the attractive new functionality of ML with Lion on the old MBP.

It's so close to "that announcement time of year", if your decision might be affected by the new stuff and you can afford to wait before deciding what to purchase, I would. Buying behind the curve ain't what it used to be.

Analogous to vendors not developing drivers for older hardware when new releases of Windows come out, although, I can't recall not being able to use the entire PC under the new version of Windows.

Having said this, this is why Windows is so bloated, i.e., they keep dragging support for ancient hardware into new releases of the OS.

austinguy23
Aug 15, 2012, 02:31 AM
No retina MBAs this year but I'd wait to see if they announce the 13" rMBP at their September event. It's quite possible.

House Crasher
Aug 15, 2012, 09:57 AM
I myself don't see it happening for a long time. Not enough battery capacity in an Air, no dedicated graphics card, and the price point of the Air would certainly jump closing the gap between Air and rMBP.

And...consider this, the current retina MBP is having a rendering or lag issue so it appears that even the graphics card in the pro is not substantial enough for the display to operate smoothly.

Pass.....