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jefhatfield
Nov 13, 2002, 09:17 AM
we all know that apple's laptops are built tough and last a long time (three to five years and sometimes longer)

as a pc tech, every pc laptop i have seen over three years old had something terribly wrong with it (dead screen, missing keys and keys that didn't work, dead battery with the only resort an expensive replacement that was jacked up in price, etc...)

after three years as a technician and many laptops later, i have finally found a fully functioning PC laptop from 1997 with a pcmcia 33k x-jack modem and a proprietary pci expansion slot in the back for modem or ethernet card ( i have only seen back panel expansion slots on desktops)

it's a hitachi and uses a pentium 1 mmx, 12" passive screen, 1.33 GB hard drive, 32 MB of RAM, and weighs a ton and must be 2" inches thick ;)

af first i thought the screen had something wrong with it because it was so faint, but it's a pre-dual scan passive matrix lcd, which was replaced in the industry with dual scan passive matrix, then hpa passive matrix, and finally where we are today with the active matrix screen

it originally had windows 95 but got a windows 98 upgrade, and the productivity software with it is microsoft works 2.0 ;)

a five year old, fully functioning pc laptop should go into a pc museum as a curiosity:D



Macmaniac
Nov 13, 2002, 11:59 AM
The oldest working laptop I have seen was a powerbook 150 which was my grandfathers. It still runs great on system 7.6.
Codename: JeDI
CPU: MC68030
CPU speed: 33 Mhz
FPU: None
motherboard RAM: 4 MB
maximum RAM: 40 MB
number of sockets: 1 -- unique slot
minimum speed: 70 ns
ROM: 1 MB
L1 cache: 0.5 k
L2 cache: n/a
data path: 32 bit
bus speed: 33 Mhz
slots: modem
SCSI: HDI-30
Serial Ports: 1
ADB: none
Floppy: 1.44 MB SuperDrive
HD: 120/250 MB (IDE)
CD-ROM: none
Screen: Passive Matrix 2 bit (4 gray) 640x400 built-in
Sound Output: mono 8 bit (built-in speaker)
Sound Input: none
Ethernet: none
Gestalt ID: 115
power: 17 Watts
Weight: 5.8 lbs.
Dimensions: 2.25" H x 11.25" W x 9.3" D
Min System Software: 7.1.1
Max System Software: 7.6.1
introduced: July 1994
terminated: October 1995


Introduced in July 1994, the PowerBook 150 was Apple's first truly affordable PowerBook. While people grumbled about its lack of an ADB port (It had only serial and SCSI ports) and fuzzy passive matrix screen, the 150 was an excellent value at $1,300. It was discontinued in October 1995.

Its over 8 years old:)

Fezwick
Nov 13, 2002, 12:16 PM
My brother has an old Macintosh Portable. It still runs great, even has a 2400 baud modem in it! I wonder how old it is...

Mighty Mac
Nov 13, 2002, 12:19 PM
I have a 165C purchased in september 1993, Currently running system 7.5.5, Word, Lotus 123, Snood, and more. Apple makes machines that just do not quit.

"Only problem batteries don't last so long" - Data

Logic Board Ports Power
Processor: 68030, 33
PMMU: integrated
FPU: 68882
Data Path: 32, 33
L1 Cache: 0.5K
L2 Cache: none
Slots: modem
ADB: 1
Video: mini-15
SCSI: HDI-30
Mic Type: Omni
AirPort Ready:
Other Ports: Printer
Modem
Speaker
Memory Video Memory
Logic Board: 4 MB
RAM Slots: 1, PB1xx
Min - Max RAM: 4 MB - 14 MB
Min RAM Speed: 85
RAM Sizes: 2, 4, 10 MB
Install in Groups of: 1
Resolution Video Memory
128K static (LCD only)
(built in) Video Memory
512K VRAM (ext. only)
(built in) 640 x 400 8-bit 8-bit
Physical Software Storage
Introduced: 2/10/1993
Discontinued: 12/1/1993
Form Factor: PowerBook 140
Gestalt ID: 50
Weight (lbs): 7
Dimensions (in): 2.29 H x 11.25 W x 9.3 D
Addressing Modes: 24-, 32-bit
Orig SSW: 7.1
Orig Enabler: System Enabler 121
ROM ID: $067C
ROM Ver: n/a
ROM Size: 1MB
AppleTalk Ver: 57.0.4
Mac OS Supported: 7.1,7.5,7.1.1 (Pro),7.5.1,7.5.3,7.5.5,7.6,7.6.1
Floppy Size: 1.44MB
Floppy Inject: manual
Int HD Size: 120MB
Int HD Interface: SCSI

5300cs
Nov 24, 2002, 05:55 PM
Hello,

I've got an old Satellite Pro 425CDT (p100,4gig,40ram) that I still use. The battery actually still maintains a charge, almost 2 hours, if you can believe it. It came with win95 but I tossed that and put in Debian instead.

I've got a Mac Portable too, it runs great still, too. I also have a PB150, Duo 270c, 280c, 5300cs & 540c and they all run perfectly.

Macs really don't quit.:cool:

jefhatfield
Nov 24, 2002, 07:11 PM
a running pentium 100 today is really amazing in this high tech field

i never see anything like that which is working

when the startup screen of my neighbor's machine, in black screen mode comes up, the pentium pro laptop i thought it was is just a regular old pentium 150 with 32 MB of RAM

and 64 MB is the absolute maxiumun RAM this machine will take

one has to remember, 64 MB of RAM in 1997 is the same way we would look at a half of gig of RAM

some mid-90s machines might have gone to 160 MB of RAM, which would feel like a gig of RAM by today's (late-2002) standards:p

soon we will see 1 gig of RAM in a laptop as an absolute minimum and nothing will be slower than 2.5 ghz...i predict this in 2004 on the PC side

5300cs
Nov 24, 2002, 07:23 PM
A guy I used to work with back in the states had a 386 or 286 laptop (can't remember) that had the old plasma displays (???) which he said still worked fine. He used an old spread sheet program on it ... uh... can't remember the name...
Anyway, this guy's house was a miracle for any collector ... 4 year old Palm Pilots still in their boxes SHRINK WRAPPED, CP/M with the original manuals. The list goes on, but it just becomes depressing.
In this country (Japan) old computers are very hard to find, so I was lucky to find a Mac Portable then only to find out they're all over the place in the U.S. A Lisa over here could net you around $10,000 if not more.
Export business anyone ? ;)

JupiterZen
Nov 24, 2002, 07:38 PM
I have a fully functional Powerbook Duo 230 with dockingstation :cool:

5300cs
Nov 24, 2002, 07:42 PM
I have a 270c & 280c but only the mini dock and the floppy adapter dock thing.:(

How does the DuoDock work ?