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MacBytes
Aug 9, 2005, 10:57 AM
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Link: Microsoft Announces Messenger 5.0 for Mac (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20050809105743)

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Sharewaredemon
Aug 9, 2005, 11:21 AM
If they announce it, when will it be available?

dejo
Aug 9, 2005, 11:25 AM
If they announce it, when will it be available?

Is that like "If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?"

arkmannj
Aug 9, 2005, 11:33 AM
If they announce it, when will it be available?

Soon I hope :) I think this is long over due, but I am grateful for the Mac BU and all their work ! Must be Hard being mac guys in the Windows headquarters ...but then again it might be fun feeling like "the rebels on campus".

Edit: weird I see the MSN Messenger 5 info on the New Zealand site but not the US one Mactopia US MSN Messenger Link (http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.aspx?pid=msnmessenger)
Am I blind? or maybe we're just to snappy and they're still getting the site updated, I noticed that one of the download links for the current version was a broken link. then I tried it a minute later and it seemed to work...

Sharewaredemon
Aug 9, 2005, 11:41 AM
Soon I hope :) I think this is long over due, but I am grateful for the Mac BU and all their work ! Must be Hard being mac guys in the Windows headquarters ...but then again it might be fun feeling like "the rebels on campus"

Yeah the super bad ass kids who stick together and never talk to the other kids because the BA kids are way cooler.


Is that like "If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?"

Actually I wasn't trying to be funny. I just thought it odd that they announced it, but it actually isn't on their site yet.

By announcing it, is this like letting us know it exists, and they eventually one day they will put it on their site?

I'm so used to apple announcing a new iTunes being able to DL it right away.

dejo
Aug 9, 2005, 11:48 AM
Actually I wasn't trying to be funny. I just thought it odd that they announced it, but it actually isn't on their site yet.

By announcing it, is this like letting us know it exists, and they eventually one day they will put it on their site?

I'm so used to apple announcing a new iTunes being able to DL it right away.

Yeah, I know you weren't trying to be funny. Just the way you worded it, reminded me of that other famous existential question.

Microsoft, IMO, has a habit of announcing things like this with no firm dates of availabilty. I suspect they do it to sway customers from using a competitor's product and just waiting a while longer until MS releases their's.

SiliconAddict
Aug 9, 2005, 11:55 AM
Is that like "If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?"



If a tree falls on a mime in the forest, does he make a sound?

autrefois
Aug 9, 2005, 12:06 PM
I can't download the new version yet (broken link as mentioned above), but I'm disappointed in advance :). Not only does it still not have audio or video chat, but I actually liked the look of the old Messenger for Mac. Brushed metal is nice and all, but not on every single program...

AmigoMac
Aug 9, 2005, 12:07 PM
If a tree falls on a mime in the forest, does he make a sound?

<mute>
<nelson>haha!
</nelson>
</mute>


;)

ketha
Aug 9, 2005, 12:10 PM
I hacked the broken link (really basically), and found it... download now!!!!

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/download/misc/messenger50_download.xml

arkmannj
Aug 9, 2005, 12:11 PM
As I was poking around the site mactopia.com (http://www.mactopia.com) and read the information about the update I seemed to notice that it seem that most of the "updates" on this are aesthetic and not functionality making it look kinda like a iChat with tabs for MSN network.
Someone please tell me I missed something, and that there's something functionally useful in the update.

Edit:
I hacked the broken link (really basically), and found it... download now!!!!

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/download/misc/messenger50_download.xml

Awesome Thanks !!

autrefois
Aug 9, 2005, 12:14 PM
As I was poking around the site mactopia.com (http://www.mactopia.com) and read the information about the update I seemed to notice that it seem that most of the "updates" on this are aesthetic and not functionality making it look kinda like a iChat with tabs for MSN network.
Someone please tell me I missed something, and that there's something functionally useful in the update.

It now supports being connected to two accounts at the same time (work and personal, for example), with each one in a separate tab. And apparently if your business has Communications Server 2005, you can connect to other people using different chat clients (yahoo, etc.). Other than that, it also allows personalized icons now, even animated ones (one up on iChat). But still not audio or video...

AmigoMac
Aug 9, 2005, 12:15 PM
I hacked the broken link (really basically), and found it... download now!!!!

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/download/misc/messenger50_download.xml

Damn you posted it first :mad: ;) j/k , I found the download as well and wanted to share. Let's see how it looks like...

ketha
Aug 9, 2005, 12:16 PM
http://photos21.flickr.com/32645919_4ca92adf60.jpg

hmm, personal and corporate.. that's pretty cool.

yg17
Aug 9, 2005, 12:17 PM
I hacked the broken link (really basically), and found it... download now!!!!

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/download/misc/messenger50_download.xml


The download going slow for anyone else right now? I'm downloading it at around 3k/sec. I feel like I'm on dial up again

autrefois
Aug 9, 2005, 12:17 PM
I hacked the broken link (really basically), and found it... download now!!!!

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/download/misc/messenger50_download.xml

They're onto you:

"ERROR

The requested URL could not be retrieved

While trying to retrieve the URL: http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/6/f/a6f5125d-a949-448f-b2d0-b1881dd1c7da/Messenger500.dmg

The following error was encountered:

Unable to forward this request at this time.
This request could not be forwarded to the origin server or to any parent caches. The most likely cause for this error is that:

The cache administrator does not allow this cache to make direct connections to origin servers, and
All configured parent caches are currently unreachable."

ketha
Aug 9, 2005, 12:17 PM
Damn you posted it first :mad: ;) j/k , I found the download as well and wanted to share. Let's see how it looks like...


More by luck than judgement... It's ok, bit bloated.. better than the last one, for sure.

Capt Underpants
Aug 9, 2005, 12:20 PM
Its available for download now!

edit: I should refresh the page before I post a reply :(

AmigoMac
Aug 9, 2005, 12:20 PM
I'm downloading it :confused: , no probs at all. I'm sure I won't use it :p, just wanted to find the link before the *release* ... Adium all the way.

ketha
Aug 9, 2005, 12:21 PM
http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/6/f/a6f5125d-a949-448f-b2d0-b1881dd1c7da/Messenger500.dmg

arkmannj
Aug 9, 2005, 12:24 PM
It now supports being connected to two accounts at the same time (work and personal, for example), with each one in a separate tab. And apparently if your business has Communications Server 2005, you can connect to other people using different chat clients (yahoo, etc.). Other than that, it also allows personalized icons now, even animated ones (one up on iChat). But still not audio or video...

Thanks for the extra warm fuzzy, I guess for my uses there really isn't that much functionally different (trying 5.0 right now) I do like the new look better but I was just hoping for added stuff like audio/video or even remote desktop, whiteboard etc...
One difference...it's called Microsoft Messenger now, not MSN Messenger

Link for a list of features (compared to the Windows version):
Deployment and Feature Guide for Messenger 5.0 (http://www.microsoft.com/mac/resources/resources.aspx?pid=resourcekits&rk=netadmin)

autrefois
Aug 9, 2005, 12:28 PM
After the 4th or 5th try, it finally downloaded for me using the link you guys posted. I'm going to install it and hope for the best!

autrefois
Aug 9, 2005, 12:30 PM
I was just hoping for added stuff like audio/video or even remote desktop, whiteboard etc...

Yeah, not much new useful for me either. I was hoping for at least audio and maybe video, but no such luck. I didn't even dare to dream they'd have remote desktop or whiteboard. ;)

EDIT: Thanks for the link for the comparison chart. At least they openly admit that the Mac version does practically nothing compared to the Windows version!

mileslong
Aug 9, 2005, 12:45 PM
just saw it on macupdate...http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/7946

heres whats new:

What's New:
Highlights of this release are tabbed viewing that allows accessing different accounts simultaneously, multiple file transfers, improved proxy support, an updated design with brushed metal, and support for animated and custom emoticons. Also new is support for Live Communications Server 2005, which allows for server-side session logging, enhanced messaging security, Public IM Connectivity, and integration with the Global Address List.

lets just say im underwhlemed...the last time i was this excited was when they extended the sitcom "golden girls" for another season...

arkmannj
Aug 9, 2005, 12:55 PM
I wonder if one of the big changes is what we DON'T see..like the Mac BU having successfully moved all the source code to XCode. I don't think this is a universal binary, but it would seem logical that they might consider it a big update if they had to move all the code over, (preparing for the future).

Trying to be positive.... :rolleyes: about our new messenger 4.2 errr ummm I mean 5.0

Stella
Aug 9, 2005, 01:00 PM
BIG YAWN.


Why bother?

Yet another GUI overhall, still no audio / video.

Still a waste of time.

messenger for mac seems like an after thought, no more than that. its a shame microsoft are lazy f?ckers.


YYYAWWWN.

greatdevourer
Aug 9, 2005, 01:02 PM
So far, it's a pretty GUI that supports pictures. Not really worth the bandwidth

TMA
Aug 9, 2005, 01:07 PM
Its now available on www.microsoft.com/mac

New interface and few tiny little features but overall a very pants update. How can the mac development team constantly say they are devoted to and love the mac platform when it takes years to come out with a rubbish update!

mileslong
Aug 9, 2005, 01:18 PM
there are more features on a pet rock...

autrefois
Aug 9, 2005, 02:29 PM
There is some minor good news. The ads are gone! (except the MSN logo of course). Or is it because it figured out that I have Office and automatically turned them off?

Stridder44
Aug 9, 2005, 10:16 PM
Wow i actually really like the new look! And for basic message use, its awesome (yes I know adium and all those are better).

sluthy
Aug 11, 2005, 08:35 AM
According to the MS website though, Messenger is now a multi-protocol app! ICQ, Yahoo, MSN etc. are now interwined a la Adium. Hmm, the line is blurring - Adium is more customisable, but seems to bog down my computer more (5 sec beach ball every mouse click/drag/move, REALLY frickin irritating :mad: ). Might try MSN again, don't know.

autrefois
Aug 11, 2005, 09:49 AM
According to the MS website though, Messenger is now a multi-protocol app! ICQ, Yahoo, MSN etc. are now interwined a la Adium.

Not exactly. This is only true for people who are working for companies/corporations who have purchased Live Communications Server 2005 (which costs $1000+).

EDIT: Apparently it depends on the licencing program your institution is under. "Pricing for Public IM Connectivity includes access to all three public instant messaging (IM) service providers—The Microsoft Network (MSN), America Online (AOL), and Yahoo!—and is sold on a per-user, per-month service agreement. Public IM Connectivity service licenses can be added to a current customer Select License, Enterprise Agreement, or Government License. Live Communications Server 2005 client and server licenses are required before purchasing the Public IM Connectivity service agreement. Pricing and licensing details for Public IM Connectivity are available through Microsoft Volume Licensing programs."

http://www.microsoft.com/office/livecomm/howtobuy/default.mspx