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MacBytes
Aug 9, 2005, 01:15 PM
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stridey
Aug 9, 2005, 01:17 PM
From the article, us!

Users on macrumors.com ("The news and rumors you care about") have made snide comments about the supposed stupidity of Henrico officials.

"Still can't believe they're letting these go so cheap. Just shows the continued stupidity on their part. Well, let their stupidity be a Mac user's windfall!" said KREX725, a macrumors member.

"[Fifty dollars] is completely ridiculous, the value is amazing," said Freg3000.


Of course, then it goes on to say that we're dead wrong...

mkaake
Aug 9, 2005, 01:31 PM
and all amazingly pointless, since it's limited to henrico country residents now.

but i did like the jab at macrumors members... it was pretty tiring hearing people say that there was a high level conspiracy going on, and that those at the top of the school district were obviously trying to get rich... all the while ignoring that these are computers that were used heavily for what? 4 years now? and by students none the less.

dornoforpyros
Aug 9, 2005, 01:38 PM
for $50 who cares? Even if you get a complete dud you've still got a fun project to take apart.

nagromme
Aug 9, 2005, 01:51 PM
I think they would be great to put potted plants on.

(And I notice the article by a high school student was better written than some professional journalists seem to manage.)

Freg3000
Aug 9, 2005, 01:54 PM
Well it isn't the New York Times, but it certainly feels strange to be quoted in an article. :)

Anyway, I still think that $50 is a steal. Cosmetic damage such as a broken latch or crack in the screen doesn't prevent you from making a nice little music server for your living room. Perhaps a HDD failure does, but for $50 I wouldn't mind running off of an external FireWire drive. I mean if the CPU is working...that is enough for me. $50??? Even the lid is worth $50, just to make that awesome iBook wall lamp (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=142268&highlight=ibook+light) that CiBoys made.

I suppose we'll see how demand is when they are sold.

michaelrjohnson
Aug 9, 2005, 01:59 PM
Yeah, I wish I was a temporary resident of Henrico County so I could pick one of these up. Ahem... (like my sig states)

{sigh} maybe they won't sell all of them, and they'll try again another time...

Keynoteuser
Aug 9, 2005, 02:43 PM
this is just sad. I have two iBooks in my possession...one is a 500, the other a 700. The 700 is in pristine condition, the 500 emits a weird odor, but that might be from cat hair down inside it. Regardless, I lugged that 500 around with me EVERY DAY doing mac consulting for over a year, before I got the 700, which them got replaced by a AlBook 1.25ghz. The 500 is still in use by my wife, who is a student again. It gets tossed on the floor in front of the couch almost daily. Though the power connection is a bit crooked, and we've replaced the charger (the cat chewed it)...the machine is FINE.

How the heck can a teenager say they took good care of their iBook when the SCREEN IS CRACKED? Therein lies the problem...give them something for FREE and they'll treat it accordingly. It's just sad.

michaelrjohnson
Aug 9, 2005, 02:57 PM
How can Catherine say that she "...took pains to keep it as safe as possible."? Broken latch? Broken CD drive? Cracked screen?!
:mad:
I'm sorry, but for her to be touting herself as careful is a bit absurd. (While I cringe at the fact that many of these iBooks were treated so poorly, I would be very wary in generalizing against a generation of students. That's unfair.)

As for the article itself, the "rising senior" took great pains to write her opinionated column using a Mac rumor site/forum as her main source. That's high-quality journalism, folks. :rolleyes:

TDM21
Aug 9, 2005, 03:15 PM
This article failed to mention that these iBooks are G3s. I say about half of them are dead because of logic board failures. Still, if the logic board was good in them then you could sell that for well more than $50 on eBay. I'm surprised Apple didn't buy the iBooks back for the logic boards alone. :D

autrefois
Aug 9, 2005, 03:36 PM
and all amazingly pointless, since it's limited to henrico country residents now.

but i did like the jab at macrumors members... it was pretty tiring hearing people say that there was a high level conspiracy going on, and that those at the top of the school district were obviously trying to get rich... all the while ignoring that these are computers that were used heavily for what? 4 years now? and by students none the less.

Yes, rereading the thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=141718) I see nobody mentioned the fact that there might be abused or non-functional iBooks. I think we all assumed they would at least be in working order, even if worse for wear. I agree this article was well-written for a high-schooler, even if she did (rightfully) chastise us for our ill-informed comments. :)

While I doubt the CIA was involved, there's still something not right about 1,147 recent high school grads getting to purchase the computers but not current students or staff. Does this mean there are only 1100 machines that work and the rest, which are being sold to the general public, have some serious issues?? Or did they sign some agreement with Dell saying they would not sell current students or teachers the old Macs? I would think current students and teachers would get first pick, THEN possibly former students and then the general public, since the iBooks were originally bought for education, no?

The Man
Aug 9, 2005, 03:43 PM
The 700 is in pristine condition, the 500 emits a weird odor, but that might be from cat hair down inside it.

I have read numerous threads about some iBooks having a weird smell. Some say it comes from the keyboard and had it replaced, and the odor disappeared. Cleaning didn't help much, apparently. There's much debat on what causes it. I believe new keyboards for the old iBook go for about $100. So decide on what to do if it is really bothersome.

mrsebastian
Aug 9, 2005, 05:44 PM
i'll take four of 'em and as long as i can get two working ibooks out of it, that sounds good to me :D

Beergnome
Aug 9, 2005, 06:39 PM
i'll take four of 'em and as long as i can get two working ibooks out of it, that sounds good to me :D

nope! sorry! first come first serve!, one per customer cash only!

greetings from beatiful Richmond Virginia! wich is the main problem.. I live in the city, and henrico county is a mile from my house. therefore I'm inelegiable for the sale.. well.. that is to say.. Henrico residents got first dibs, outside residents are still elligiable, they just have to wait.
and wait longer! becouse this morning the sale was blocked and moved back to the 16th

allright.. I think a resident of the area needs to make some comments on this whole fiasco. it's just been a cluster from the get go. My primary issue with it up to this point is why they bothered to even have a special sale in the first place? isn't it usually policy for municipalities to offer surplus items in public auctions in the first place? and these auctions arent broadly advertised or announced as it was in this case. announce the sale, yes, but keep it to a public auction, let the price be what the market will bear.
as soon as they announced that the sale was public, the price involved, and the terms.. everything went ******* crazy. the residents of the county.. who most likely wouldn't have cared either way in the first place if the county had kept to procedure, started to wine and fuss that it was thier tax money that bought them in the first place. A valid argument, yes, I agree, but not one rasied untill stories of people driving or flying in from all creation to get one started to circulate. One resident was quated as saying that her son always supported the program and was not offered the chance to buy one becouse he was a rising senior, and that it was un fair.. well maybe so.. but the kid is getting a brand new dell laptop next year.. and its not exactly fre either.. the studants need to put down a $50 deposit on the things every year. Considering they are part of the curiculm.. theirs no way to opt out of the program.

and the program itself, while very ambitious.. has been poorly managed from the start.. a good freind of mine was basicly the ONLY IT guy for the entire program. And the county gave all these kids the I-books with out really having the infrastructure in place to handle them all. I want you to imagine a server back bone for the wireless network to serve each school, and connect all the schools together. Now I want you to imagine that your house is on fire and yer trying to put it out with a garden hose.
there wasn't anything really in place when with much fanfare and big fancy ribben cuttings and tv cameras Roll out happened. next two school years, many server crashes, network bog downs, the studants knew more about the things than the teachers did. the E-textbooks were delayed in delivery, and not avialable for all subjects, so the entire point of having the electronic curriculom was left moot and now the kids not only still had a full compliment of text books.. but a laptop to tote around as well. Network security was also an issue, kids being kids, and some pretty smart ones as well they got thrue everything and caused all types of mischief.
one kid in particular to prove the network security falibilty downloaded porn. so they filed charges against him.
and thats just the software side of it.. The article in question just gives a few examples of the abuse. and yes.. there's always been loads of logic board issues with them. third year of the program, nearly half of them were down for repairs and replacement.
My freind quit the school system by this time in frustration he just wasn't getting paid enough for the workload and responcibilty at $35k a year, barely more than a teacher.
so all the latest flack just smacks of how poorly the program has been and continues to be run
and personaly, I'd like to have seen the computers donated to an adult computer literacy program.
thetre ya go.. hope my first post to y'alls forums wasn't too rambly

michaelrjohnson
Aug 9, 2005, 09:09 PM
That's great insight into the program. You provided a few details that I was unaware of, but described all the problems that I would have expected. It's too bad that it turned out the way it did.

Perhaps there should have been more pre-planning and getting the infrastructure in place before the dispersment of the iBooks. Because now, when most of the infrastructure is in place (presumably) and teacher/students know what they're getting into, they're going to think the Dell program ran great (because they had experience) but the Apple program was terrible.

It's a consumer-mindshare nightmare for Apple. Hopefully they can recover.

PS: Is "rising senior" an expression in those parts? Does it mean that they're an incoming senior (as opposed to existing or outgoing)?

clayj
Aug 9, 2005, 09:36 PM
PS: Is "rising senior" an expression in those parts? Does it mean that they're an incoming senior (as opposed to existing or outgoing)?Yeah, "rising X" means you're about to become an "X", whatever that may be. Not sure if that's a Southernism or what... I've always known that expression.

varmit
Aug 9, 2005, 09:46 PM
Do you really think Dells would have faired better over that time. I wont even try to argue this because it will just fall on deaf ears now.

michaelrjohnson
Aug 9, 2005, 09:54 PM
Yeah, "rising X" means you're about to become an "X", whatever that may be. Not sure if that's a Southernism or what... I've always known that expression.
Interesting... I figured that's what it meant, but before today, I've never heard that expression. And I've heard it twice today.

Thanks clay.

larriveejp
Aug 9, 2005, 10:26 PM
it was pretty tiring hearing people say that there was a high level conspiracy going on, and that those at the top of the school district were obviously trying to get rich...

:rolleyes:
Move along... Nothing to see here folks, move along. Ignore the giant train wreck that is the Great iBook Fiasco in Henrico County. Nothing to see here. Everything is totally normal in Henrico County, move along.

Conspiracy or not, there is simply no reason for a government organization to leave money on the table like this. Conspiracy or stupidity, take your pick. If it's about the taxpayers the goal should be to raise as much money as possible. Even Beergnome who is from VA thinks there should be a public auction.

People obviously don't care what shape they are in, so the market should decide the price. Again, why throw away good money? I have yet to see a decent reposnse to that question. This is the reason for the conspiracy theories as well as the criticisms of Henrico County officials which you are loathe to read.

puckhead193
Aug 9, 2005, 10:35 PM
Users on macrumors.com ("The news and rumors you care about") have made snide comments about the supposed stupidity of Henrico officials.

we have a slogan? :confused:
edit - never mind i'm stupid. Its on the main page, i never go their i just hit new posts ;)

Raiden
Aug 9, 2005, 11:28 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY CRAPPP!! ...lol
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Let the iBook buyer beware

BY CATHERINE CARLOCK
SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
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I am good friends with Catherine Carlock. I ate dinner next to her at a chinese resturant on christmas eve this past year.

Small world, huh? I never expected to see someone I know featured through a link on this website hahaha.

michaelrjohnson
Aug 10, 2005, 12:18 AM
Small world, huh? I never expected to see someone I know featured through a link on this website hahaha.
Sure is a small world...

But why the hell were you eating chinese food on christmas eve???

Beergnome
Aug 10, 2005, 12:57 AM
Sure is a small world...

But why the hell were you eating chinese food on christmas eve???

they were the only resturants open on christmas eve?
and as asked by a previous question... I don't know if the term "rising" is any thing regional or not, just a term I've always used.but the switch to the dells is a bit confuseing as the school system has always had a good realtionship/partnership with apple. maybe now they're thinking on cheaper hardware and more off the shelf availability? who knows? I think they're opening a whole new can of worms with security issues by doing so. they were relitivly safe from attacks useing the macs, perhaps they are thinking its better for them to be on a windows based OS becouse thats what the majority of the world uses.. thats the only thing "logical" about the move to me.
in any case.. I'm a little dissapointed I've been more or less shut out on all the fun. as a collector of old hardware the most modern mac I have is a 630CD, and my oldest being a Mac M001 as a primarly PC user I'm very impressed with the fact this 21 year old computer runs and is stable.
I was going to use it as a music server and for light war driving. considering virtually everything on my network here is built from donations and trash pickings, I like the challange

Yvan256
Aug 10, 2005, 06:57 AM
Anyway, I still think that $50 is a steal. Cosmetic damage such as a broken latch or crack in the screen doesn't prevent you from making a nice little music server for your living room. Perhaps a HDD failure does, but for $50 I wouldn't mind running off of an external FireWire drive. I mean if the CPU is working...that is enough for me.

Indeed. If you see those 50$ iBooks as low-cost Mac mini replacements (except they're BYODDKM, i.e. Drives), it's a fantastic deal. As long as the motherboard, RAM and ports are working fine, you got yourself a low-cost way to try OS X (those are sub-1GHz G3's I think, wouldn't want to be stuck with that as a main machine, especially with less than 512MB RAM).

Would make a fantastic add-your-own-gear mail/web/iTunes machine though.

gwuMACaddict
Aug 10, 2005, 07:21 AM
interesting... sounds like they abused the crap out of them... lousy spolied kids- my old pismo works flawlessly, even my old 520C is in perfect shape...

what a bummer