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MacManiac1224
Nov 14, 2002, 07:45 PM
New Digital Device in MWSF? MacOSrumors just said that there might be a new digital device in Janurary. Any idea what this could be?

Maybe this could be a tv device, a picture portait, or a cell phone?

What do you guys think?

rdas7
Nov 17, 2002, 05:20 PM
I just realised what this device could/should be... thinking about previous rumors.

My guess is as follows:

Big iPod enclosure, looks like an iPod, but more like a vcr/dvd player size. Internal 20/40GB Hard drive. On-board OS would be iPod-esque but include full QuickTime playback functionality (incl. MPEG-2).

Ports would be: optical in/out, stereo out (rca), video out, ethernet/airport, dvd drive.

The idea is this: a player-in-a-box that handles all QuickTime media, whether stored internally or externally. The DVD drive would let the device function as a dvd player (put disc in, watch movie through video-out port, ie. a TV). The internal HD could store either MP3s or quicktime movies. That way, you could play back mp3's through your home stereo/surround setup. The airport would allow you to share your media files directly with your desktop machine(s) (as in Rendezvous/iTunes4).

I know that this is treading a fine line between a fully functional home computer, but look at it this way: with the pared down OS as found in the iPod, the machine is not fundamentally meant for office applications and is fully geared for multimedia. It would provide the missing link between media files for a "computer" and media files for the living room (CD/DVD's). It would boost demand for Airport networking, and fully exploit Rendezvous and iTunes4. It's a device that basically leverages every advantageous plot Apple have been assembling since the multi-colored iMac of 1997... :)

King Cobra
Nov 17, 2002, 06:40 PM
rdas7, there's just one flaw with the perfect idea for an all-in-one device to do anything and everything:

The multi-colored iMac was of year 1999, and the Bondi Blue iMac, the original, came out in 1998. :D

Computer_Phreak
Nov 17, 2002, 07:03 PM
im more inclined to think it would be another iPod-like product...

[dont flame] Perhaps a PDA [/dont flame]
Maybe a digital camera
Probably more likely is a heavily revised iPod with a different name...

rdas7
Nov 18, 2002, 12:37 AM
Well I can't really see what benefit Apple would get from entering the PDA market. I know that this has been a long rumored item, but I am stuck as to what this realistically might be.

Witness iSync to show that Apple already consider the Palm OS devices the standard in PDA's. Unless they had a compelling advantage to offer the mobile business community, why would they want to create "another" option for people beset by Journada's, iPaqs and Palms?

Steve Jobs has already mentioned, and I have to agree, that for most intensive tasks, a full computer is needed (full size display, full size data-entry device - keyboard). The only way I see Apple entering the PDA market is if they've got something killer like a foldable display or decent voice recognition - both of which are still some years off (for portable devices anyway, I KNOW that MacOS already has VR). But you only have to look so far as the Newton to realise that people use any given device for its functionality - no matter how cool the technology underneath is. People marvelled at how amazing the Newton was, laughed after watching it interpret a few handwritten words, then put it down and walked away (except me, who still uses a 2100) :) At the end of the day, most people don't need a spreadsheet on the move. For those that do, there are already good solutions.

To further elaborate on the home-device described before, a hardware QuickTime Player would be THE linking unit that would ultimately make your living room a peripheral to your Mac. This furthers the Digital Hub design, with the Mac at the center.

The "CPU" of the device would be only for media playback. You would still need a Mac to load it up with its content. With no direct net access (unless it's got a built-in browser, but that gets WAY complicated and might as well become an iMac/eMac) you would need a Mac to download stuff from the web, mp3 stuff, etc.

Think of it: on your desktop you've got the icon for this device that's airported from your living room. You can drag/drop whatever files you want into it, then go into the living room and watch the latest trailers on your big screen tv - or listen to your mp3's through your home stereo, ultimately using the box as an mp3 server (see iTunes 4 functionality).

This device, based on QuickTime and open standards, would be (once again) a unique market. To my knowledge there is nothing that exists today which it would compete with. Competition would have to also be based on a QuickTime architecture, which means that Apple would always have the advantage when it comes to Mac integration. Perhaps Microsoft will eventually come out with a similar product, but with .wma and Windows Media Player compatibility, but then who would care? :confused:

I think the key to this is turning your television and stereo into a peripheral of your Mac. Once that happens, Apple will have completed the home-invasion and will next have to line up the Apple-branded toaster (FINALLY!) ;)

Natron
Nov 21, 2002, 09:42 PM
Personally rdas7, I like your idea. Philips has announced Rendezvous support, and I'm counting on a way to play audio and video from your Mac through your stereo or television. The only easy way we have now is by burning CD's and DVD's, or hooking our Macs up to the stereo or television (which is easier if located close to each other). For this to happen now, we need something like this. It will be years before people have televisions or stereos with Rendezvous built-in, so it would be awesome to have device to run all this from. It might need faster Airport, so it might not happen in January (if it happens at all).

-Nate

Micho
Nov 21, 2002, 11:22 PM
Man i hope its a cell phone. and i dont think thats alogether unreasonable...isync.
but its not easy to make a cell phone (well one that works in more then 100 square mile start up service area... hip top (hop...whatever)
my dream:
a device that can work with analog 2g 2.5g and 3g networks and is not fixed to a service provider... and has a color screen, and camera and mp3 player (me pockets is full when i have my ipod phone palm and wallet on me) well mabye not an mp3 player but something that is like a mix between the Visor Trio (decent wireless capability easy to use and functional) and the Zarus by sharp with a *nix based operating system and the ability to play mpegs. of corse you cant always get what you want.

lmalave
Nov 22, 2002, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by rdas7

The "CPU" of the device would be only for media playback.


And just to tie all the rumors threads together, the CPU will be made by AMD ;)

Moxiemike
Nov 22, 2002, 04:48 PM
I personally can't see Apple entering the digital camera business.

But I did see an apple ad in newsweek that might have hinted at it:

the sub- head line was "Digital Have arrived... blah blah blah"

it was a whole ad for the iMac (17" in ad) and iPhoto.

So maybe they're developing something with Minolta. My theory behind this is that Minolta offers a "Dimage X" japanese version that is iBook white. And specced and advertised as such.

Interesting....

m

MacCoaster
Nov 22, 2002, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Moxiemike
the sub- head line was "Digital Have arrived... blah blah blah"
:eek: Digital Have?! :eek:

Either typo or actual grammar error. If it was in an ad, it should be read "Digital Has Arrived..."

Unless this is in Britain, I believe. IIRC, they have companies as plural (i.e. "Apple is stupid." [en-US] would be "Apple are stupid." [en-GB]). However, I'm pretty sure we're not talking about DIGITAL, which is owned by Compaq. ;)

stefbystef
Nov 26, 2002, 04:23 PM
I would also like to see an iPhone at MWSF.

No Apple Digital Photo Camera can beat Nikon and Cannon.

PDA??? Hmmmmm well, nice idea but we need something really innovative here.

We need a cellphone with integrated services like iChat, e-mail, Calendar, Photo, Printing, MP3s and Movies (what other iApps did Apple lately develop???) :D

oh yeah ..... iSync!

CAN'T STOP HAVING IN MIND WOZ's "Danger". And knowing that he is going to show up at MWSF..... Oh man!

:)

Stef

I believe in Apple
they never let me down (at least not more than a month or so!)

stefbystef
Nov 26, 2002, 04:32 PM
I would also like to see an iPhone at MWSF.

No Apple Digital Photo Camera can beat Nikon and Cannon.

PDA??? Hmmmmm well, nice idea but we need something really innovative here.

We need a cellphone with integrated services like iChat, e-mail, Calendar, Photo, Printing, MP3s and Movies (what other iApps did Apple lately develop???) :D

oh yeah ..... iSync!

:)

Stef

I believe in Apple
they never let me down (at least not more than a month or so!)

Padrote
Nov 26, 2002, 04:48 PM
Apple has create something really profound to shake up the computer world, and get it out of its current slump. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple enters the world HDTV.

How about a hybrid HDTV Monitor with a built-in Hard Drive to record HD programs, and a DVD-R to burn these HD programs on to DVD's. With the style and design of apple, we can only hope to get something so imaginative and meaningful.

Moonlight
Nov 26, 2002, 06:17 PM
doesn't anyone have any new ideas ? everyone just says: cell phone, ipod+, camera, PDA..... what about a home control device that will turn on your coffee pot at 6am for you and turn on your lights at 5pm before you get home (sort of like the X-10, but better)

Raiden
Nov 26, 2002, 06:33 PM
I would really like to see the "living room hub" you guys are talking about.

My house setup is probly semi common. iMac ustairs. In the living room, 42in TV, with a windows computer next to it. On the couch is me with the iBook. :) All 3 computers are hooked up to a airport wireless network.

It would be so great to hook up a box (im thinking something that looks like a gamecube) that can record TV shows, play DVDs for me (our TV has no DVD player), wirelessly sync with the renzevous pioneer speakers, and listen to music from the iMac wirelessly via iTunes 4. It could do stuff like sync ical to know my favorite TV shows and remind me when they are on.

At least this is what I gather from what you guys are saying. Hope im right cause a device like this would be nothing short of revolutionary!

8trackmac
Nov 26, 2002, 10:08 PM
i'd most likely agree some sort of ipod update is in order...although i'd like to see some implementation of apple's emagic buyout. i just read some rumors yesterday about an impending(although no timeframe) apple audio control surface(ie. sound input/recorder/mixer). i'm pretty certain this is beyond the scope of MWSF but perhaps something inching toward that...i think its an ipod upgrade of some sort. at least i'm banking on it enough to hold out on buying one...

rdas7
Dec 12, 2002, 04:11 PM
For those of you interested in cellphones...

I personally don't think that Apple is going to release a cellphone for the same reason that they won't release a PDA: the market is already well established and unless they've got a KILLER solution, no one is going to pick up a new-entry-brand. So, unless they've got something better than a Sony-Ericsson T68i, there's not much point. Besides, the T68i is the result of two companies who have been building cellphones for years. Apple is in the business of personal computer hardware.

The recent iPhone name patent most likely refers to a software solution like iChat with voice or something like that.

If you're interested in killer phones, according to my own research, it looks like the forthcoming Nokia 7250 is going to be the reigning king. With built-in color screen, camera (yes!!!) and bluetooth, it is everything a cellphone should be. The 7650 is just too darn bulky right now.

http://www.nokia.com/phones/7250

Plus, the 7250 will finally break the Nokia habit and actually SUPPORT syncML which means that it will be compatible with iSync, just as the Sony-Ericsson T68i is now (the one and only phone on the market at the moment with syncML compatibility).

MisterBlack
Dec 12, 2002, 05:48 PM
All right everone, hang on to your pocket protectors, I'm about to drop a pretty big bomb here:

At MWSF will debut the TiPod!!

Color touchscreen w/ stylus, 120 gb hard drive, bluetooth, integrated internet browser, Tony Hawk 4 easter egg game, and a stylish brushed titanium case!

rdas7
Dec 12, 2002, 07:23 PM
Where did you get this from?

What, then, is this device? An iPod with an added internet browser? Bluetooth only offers 1Mbps transfer speeds (same as USB?), so firewire would still need to be included for loading the thing with mp3s.

Plus, even though Bluetooth takes care of the connection either to a desktop machine or cellphone, even with GPRS, cellphone data rates are still at something like 9.6kbps - too slow to surf practically (I've already tried with an iBook & bluetooth cellphone)

Nice idea, but I'd like to see how this pans out. Although, it would be a cool peripheral. Ahead of it's time, etc. (would really be cool with a 3G connection)... cool idea. I'm warming to it... but sounds a little niche still to me (ie. doesn't fulfill a real need - like the iPod is a modern walkman, this TiPod sounds like a lame pda...) Why not just get a Palm Tungsten - at least it's got a community of app developers, etc...

kylos
Dec 12, 2002, 10:54 PM
... so maybe Apple is waiting till they introduce an iSyncing device of their own (Tipod- cool name,iphone (I know it's supposed to be software),or any other ultra portable computer).

Talon1138
Dec 13, 2002, 12:18 AM
Here's what I want:

ipod-sized video player
20 gb hd
small color screen
RCA out/ Svideo out to connect to a TV

Watch your imovies on the go, then plug into friends TV and watch. Or grab footage from a friend's computer to edit later into your film.

Only question: would it defeat the purpose of Making DVDs? I don't think so.

HasanDaddy
Dec 13, 2002, 02:25 AM
120 gig drive????

That must be a BIG PDA

Chaszmyr
Dec 13, 2002, 03:07 AM
Its going to be a new portable computer called a SuperBook!

Its quite a bit bigger than a powerbook... a full inch thicker and a little bigger LxW, but it has dual processors, handwriting recognition, a built-in cell phone for wireless internet, a built-in printer, and a built-in digital camera!

There is only going to be one model available, which retails for $3599

The specs are:

Dual 1ghz G4s &1mb L3 cache per processor
133mhz System Bus
512mb SD-RAM
80gb Ultra ATA HD
1x Superdrive
Radeon 9000 video card w/ 64mb vram
bluetooth equipped

BenderBot1138
Dec 13, 2002, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by MacManiac1224
New Digital Device in MWSF? MacOSrumors just said that there might be a new digital device in Janurary. Any idea what this could be?

Maybe this could be a tv device, a picture portait, or a cell phone?

What do you guys think?

Since Apple Computer Inc. is a highly innovative company, I'd say chances are very good we'll see great things at MWSF.

:cool:

New Guy
Dec 13, 2002, 09:36 AM
is a digital phone/answering machine that will integrate with and be controlled by my mac. I want to be able to check my messages and change my announcement while I'm at work using my mac and my .mac account. I want to get an email, either at work or on my cell phone, when I receive a call at home that gives me the name and number of the person calling or forwards me a text message.

I want an alarm clock in my bedroom that is controllable from iCal and my .mac accont.

I want to control a VCR/PVR from iCal and my .mac account. It would be nice to have a TV channel in Sherlock to search for shows and drag the ones I want to record into iCal.

I want an Apple branded home automation system to control lights etc, again from iCal.

I want a universal remote control that I can easily program from my mac.

I want a stereo receiver and TV that have airport and firewire inputs to stream mp3s and photos from my PowerBook.

I want to be able to make and receive telephone calls from my PowerBook.

I guess I just want Apple to to extend their Digital Hub idea to include more than just Toys.

Kid Red
Dec 13, 2002, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by stefbystef
I would also like to see an iPhone at MWSF.

No Apple Digital Photo Camera can beat Nikon and Cannon.
:)

Stef


mm, and no Nikon or Cannon can beat a digital Olympus
:p

Chaszmyr
Dec 13, 2002, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Kid Red


mm, and no Nikon or Cannon can beat a digital Olympus
:p

God i hope you are kidding lol
There is no camera on the market from Olympus or anyone else that can compete with the 11+ megapixel Canon EOS-1ds

dutchmaster
Dec 13, 2002, 11:02 AM
Is it too early to expect something new to come out of the Emagic purchase?
An affordable Firewire DAW interface would be very welcome to the admittedly
"small" (relative to mp3 player, digital camera users) home recording market.
It would of course have to meet the apple adage of "being THAT MUCH better than everything currently on the market". Would an affordable firewire version of the US-428 or a consumer version of the logic control make a big splash bundled with Logic 5.5 or a slimmed down version therof? I don't know how feasible and profitable such a device would be because i really have no idea of the costs involved in making such a device. I'm just trying to think of other possibilities. A rack-mounted firewire device that records video and audio, that works with Logic, final cut, imovie, IDVD, etc.. Im just randomly naming wishes now but id rather hear others wild ideas than another person describe their ideal pda/phone.

rdas7
Dec 13, 2002, 12:14 PM
Well, again, I don't think that Apple is going to enter a market in which they don't have an advantage. For instance, they brought hard drive technology to the portable mp3 market and leveraged their strengths in Firewire and iTunes to make the iPod a best-in-market product.

For those same reasons, Apple has no advantage in issuing a self-branded cellphone, pda or even digital camera. The technology behind these are already so well developed, a new entry company can hardly compete. Apple don't make cellular devices (they are instead king of Firewire and Airport, etc.). Apple don't make PDA's (they long ago relinquished that throne in order to focus on desktop machines like the iMac and PowerMac). Apple don't make optical lenses, flash memory or anything else related to photography.

(Side note: just about every magazine I've picked up in the last 4 months has had a 2 page ad showing an iMac and a Canon IXUS with the slogan, "If you get one of these [meaning, the digital camera], you're going to need one of these [the iMac with iPhoto on its screen]" - I'd say that's proof that Apple aren't planning on releasing a digital camera... why would they market a Canon one in the run up to its release?)

As for an audio interface, again, at the end of the day, an audio interface is an audio interface. What differentiates them is the quality of their components. With products like MOTU's 828 Firewire Interface (www.motu.com) and Metric Halo's MobileIO (www.mhlabs.com), there is no reason for Apple to enter this market. For those who the 828 or MobileIO don't serve, there are already USB audio interface solutions.

Although, out of the Emagic buy-out I *would* like to see iMusic or something to that effect, which would be a basic multi-track audio program. Perhaps this could be part of a new version of iMovie, which at the moment has just about NO audio controls. It would be nice if they improved this program somewhat to include basic for-home-movie audio editing.

I stick by my original post, however, saying that the new Apple Digital Lifestyle device will be a home-based unit, something like a dvd player with a hard drive inside. This unit will sit next to your television and communicate either by firewire, airport or a combination, to your desktop machine. It will act as a central mp3 server for your house (iTunes 4/Rendezvous) and also allow you to play back iMovies and iDVD's straight from your computer to your tv set (just transfer them onto the internal hard drive via the network, or burn a disc and carry it over). Perhaps with some integration of .Mac services (so that your tv set can display a .Mac Screensaver from a published photo album). Priced around the same as a regular DVD player, it will bring the benefits of internal storage and Apple integration to an already established device, much as the iPod did for the portable MP3 player market.

The reasons I think this will work are that: it would still require a Mac to function (and remember, Apple is in the business of selling hardware) in order to load your iDevice with media; it would boost demand for Airport (you need an airport if you want to keep it in your living room, separate from your desktop machine) and leverage on all of their core technology, strengths that they've invested so much in (Rendezvous, iTunes4, iMovie, iDVD), while offering the home entertainment market a one-of-a-kind product - there is nothing to compete with.

Having said that, this is all pure speculation. Read my previous post in this thread for the more inspired version! :)

I'm almost looking forward to MWSF more than Christmas morning now! :P

R*

Mike Ball
Dec 13, 2002, 12:44 PM
I t seems to me that sound recording has been neglected.
I speak as a teacher wanting to record children using an external microphone and then use the output in flash for the school website. I would wish for the ipod to be record enabled, I believe the encoder is already present in the ipod.
I don't want to buy Archos and so many of the other devices that will do the job are not Apple compatible.
It must have other uses in business etc so I can't understand why they don't do it???

rdas7
Dec 13, 2002, 12:58 PM
Just a brief look at the Apple Store seems to offer a couple of solutions for you:

Under HARDWARE : MUSIC&AUDIO there's a usb microphone, the LabTec Verse 704 for $30, or Griffin's USB iMic audio interface for $35...

I suppose these are the basic replacements for the current lack of audio-input ports (although I have to say, from experience, based on the quality of the old built-in ports, I'm glad to see them gone and replaced by decent - although external - solutions!).

As for audio software, some kind of audio iApp (what iMovie is to Final Cut Pro) would be welcome. A company called Bias already have out two products: Deck and Peak, which seem to do the job, although these are a few hundred dollars each...

Natron
Dec 13, 2002, 01:37 PM
For those same reasons, Apple has no advantage in issuing a self-branded cellphone, pda or even digital camera. The technology behind these are already so well developed, a new entry company can hardly compete. Apple don't make cellular devices (they are instead king of Firewire and Airport, etc.). Apple don't make PDA's (they long ago relinquished that throne in order to focus on desktop machines like the iMac and PowerMac). Apple don't make optical lenses, flash memory or anything else related to photography.

I have to agree with you there. Plus, I think Apple's moto should be one of compatibility. I will get the same compatibility whether I buy a Nikon, Canon, or Olympis camera, they will all work equally with iPhoto, and whatever else. You don't need an Apple device to have good functionality. A lot of people already have digital cameras, PDA's, and cellphones, so they are most likely not going to go out and buy and Apple product, just because it is there.

The same goes for this Apple printer mumbo jumbo. There are markets for these devices already in place, and Apple needs to push compatibility with them. Apple is not going to enter any of these markets and just take off.

The iPod succeeded because they had an up and coming device, where they could add something that was worth it. The MP3 player market was in the infant stages, so Apple could safely enter that market.

I agree 100% with the home entertainment device idea, and I would rather see that than an Apple PDA or cellphone. Storing audio and video digitally is still in it's infancy, many people don't have Tivo's or those RioCentral devices. I would really like the ability to record FM radio and TV shows, without having to mess with VHS and cassette tapes.

I'm not predicting what will happen, I'm just going to wait and see. These are just my thoughts.

-Natron

Mike Ball
Dec 13, 2002, 02:12 PM
Dear rdas7
I don't think you appreciate how dire the situation is in UK schools.
In my county we are not allowed to buy apple, they've been junked in their thousands.
And this still relates to the situation five years ago.
Personally I like using mine and I need the remote equipment that will allow me to do my job according to my imagination.
I have to use windows at school but I create the website at home on a Mac.
I need that sound enabled external device and I'm still waiting for an apple version.
If it doesn't come this January then sadly I will buy an Archos.
It's another nail. I see that Quark isn't too bothered about developing for the Mac Platform in this weeks MAcUser

dutchmaster
Dec 13, 2002, 02:39 PM
I would love to see an audio iApp as well. There are plenty of other products in the field but Im very curious to see how Apple approaches the multitrack/workstation app angle. I use Cubase 5.1, Reason 2, Halion, Pro-52, Ableton Live, etc. but i would still love to see Apple/Emagic's take on consumer audio software. Peak and Deck (though i have used and continue to use both occasionally), frustrate me for very different reasons. Peak only allows two tracks although it can be quite versatile as far as that goes. Deck is too broad for my amateur tastes at times, with its focus spread to include video, etc. Often i still use 'good' ol' SoundEdit 16 for my basic track editing, importing samples, etc.. on my old DV+ 450 iMac (9.2). I keep envisioning a simple intuitive recording and multitracking app, with AudioUnit and Rewire capabilities with Apple's usual elegant design and a gorgeous OS X interface so i can really use my G4 iMac for audio as well. If they offered that for the usual iApp cost (free) i would gladly shell out thousands for a "dedicated" iApp/Logic control or whatever corresponding hardware or storage they or third parties could devise. USB audio (I currently use a Quattro) just has two many issues (small and large), and the lure of firewire is just too great to settle for iMics, US-428's, quattro's and the like.The new capabilities of Ableton Live look very interesting. The 828 is awesome but i can't help but feel, there is something much better coming in the near future. but then, i suppose there always is.

Natron
Dec 13, 2002, 02:48 PM
I would like to see an audio iApp, as well as a professional level audio app. I use Peak regularly, but it's 2 track support is limiting, although it seems to work pretty well for what I do. I would like an easy way to edit audio using an audio app, and then take it into FCP or DVD Studio Pro. I do a lot of audio level control in Final Cut, but would really like a good app to mix multiple tracks in. Maybe the integration with DVD Studio Pro could be 5.1 and 6.1 surround sound support (maybe even 7.1).

-Natron

rdas7
Dec 13, 2002, 02:55 PM
Mike,

I think that for business or even school uses, on-location audio recording is best handled by other tools, such as portable tape or even DAT recorders and a microphone. These audio capture devices can then later be brought home (or wherever) to integrate with a Mac for further production or engineering.

In my experience, I actually use a minidisc player for location recording (which I do a lot of). The quality isn't as great as a DAT, but it serves my purposes and is a lot cheaper/smaller to carry around. I later import the audio via a MOTU 828 Firewire interface (although a Griffin iMic would do) into a professional audio app for compression, EQ, etc. (although again, a simpler program like SoundEffects, shareware for OS9, would also do.)

I understand your dilemma at school, but isn't an Archos Jukebox (colour screen, usb hard drive, mp3/mp4 playback, mp3 encoder, etc.) just a little bit of an overkill just for a portable audio recording solution?

After all, the recording feature of the Archos seems to be a direct-to-mp3 function which means if you want to later import to your Mac and integrate with Flash, etc. you'll lose some quality (assuming you want to change the bitrate for suitable web serving rather than just straight-importing the mp3 file). For instance, if you record at 160kbps on location, but want to post to your website as part of your Flash presentation in 16kbps or 24kbps, you would have to re-encode the audio file and do some manipulation.

For 340 (website price) for this Archos Jukebox, it seems like you'd be better of with a portable tape or DAT recorder or something similar. Surely the price of a DAT with an iMic (to import it into your Mac) is more cost-effective than a multimedia jukebox mp3 player with a colour screen?

Besides the apparent similarity of an Archos and an iPod, remember that you will not be able to benefit from any of the features such as iTunes synchronisation, playcounts, iCal or Address Book.

As for the nail-in-the-coffin comment about Apple, I don't really see how that is relevant as they are still chugging along quite nicely in light of the industry slump. I think it's a question of Quark not being able to keep up with Apple's innovation. After all, OSX is now at least 2 years old. What excuses does a software developer have to refuse to upgrade their software for 2 years? I'd sooner say the nail in the coffin of Quark than Apple.

Moxiemike
Dec 13, 2002, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Chaszmyr


God i hope you are kidding lol
There is no camera on the market from Olympus or anyone else that can compete with the 11+ megapixel Canon EOS-1ds

But there is a camera from kodak called the DCS 14n.

Anyway... you can't even buy a 1ds. how do you know how good it is??? ;)

big
Dec 13, 2002, 05:15 PM
I need a phone, I am waiting for another 6 months just to see if Apple jumps in.... if so, I know it would be one helluva phone, secondly, I see it using .Mac & hopefully, allowing my laptop to connect wirelessly (almost) anywhere, ok, that would pretty much rock

it'd be nice if it had a firewire port, or blutooth, or airport card in it to auto sync with the iPod or computer.

a firewire would be great, then just plug it in, and it charges the battery & syncs...

but white & chrome? yuck, how about something a proffesional would be proud of

rdas7
Dec 13, 2002, 06:10 PM
As far as I can see, the Sony-Ericsson T68i is the one and only way to go for now. I think I posted earlier on that Nokia were releasing a syncML-compliant 7250 but since then I've realised that it doesn't have bluetooth... or maybe I missed something?

As it stands, the T68i seems to be the best-in-market in terms of Mac compatibility, etc.

If you want to stick with Nokia, the 6310 or 7650 are the only other 2 options, however neither of them support syncML (and therefore AddressBook/Calendar synchronisation)

I would not bet on Apple releasing a phone.

gooddog
Dec 13, 2002, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by MacManiac1224
New Digital Device in MWSF? MacOSrumors just said that there might be a new digital device in Janurary. Any idea what this could be?

Maybe this could be a tv device, a picture portait, or a cell phone?

What do you guys think?

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Maybe it's a play on words : digital = digit = finger = fingerprint reader to lock up.

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lungaretta
Dec 14, 2002, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by rdas7

If you want to stick with Nokia, the 6310 or 7650 are the only other 2 options, however neither of them support syncML (and therefore AddressBook/Calendar synchronisation)
The 6310(i) does support BT1.1 which is needed for the funky features of sending SMS etc. from AddressBook and it works very well (from my GF's handset).

I would not bet on Apple releasing a phone.
i hope they do! (i'm sick of this 7650) but i also wouldn't stake the family silver on it.

rdas7
Dec 14, 2002, 06:34 PM
Nokia 6310 (i or not) and presumably the 7650 as well (although I haven't tried it), will be recognised via bluetooth by your Mac. I use my 6310 as an external modem for my iBook when I'm on the go. Yes, I get caller ID via AddressBook and SMS sending (slow as a dog...) however, there is no way to sync data (addressbook or calendars).

I've heard that with the 6310i you can load a java applet that will talk syncML over bluetooth and thereby achieve these functions, but I've not seen or heard much about it.

Still hanging out for the home-appliance box we've been discussing.

Anybody else got some requested features for such a device? We got auto-scheduling/iCal integration for recording tv shows... anything else?

What would an Apple iPhone have in it? What would it look like (if not white/brushed metal?) :) What would an Apple PDA do? (No more specs please, let's talk functionality?)

Hey, only a couple more weeks to go until we find out! :)

lungaretta
Dec 14, 2002, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by rdas7
Nokia 6310 (i or not) and presumably the 7650 as well (although I haven't tried it), will be recognised via bluetooth by your Mac.

yeah the 7650 can pair with the mac but it only has BT1.0 and hence no OBEX support.

i can send files to and from it via BT FileExchange utility but that's about as far as it goes :(

the 7650 is not a recommended purchase... am i drifting off topic?

funkywhat2
Dec 14, 2002, 06:49 PM
Not only will they re-release the QuickTake, but they will equip every new Mac with a Serial Port just for it. The new QuickTake will be just like every other one, complete with six color logo and 640x480 resolution!

rdas7
Dec 14, 2002, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by lungaretta

yeah the 7650 can pair with the mac but it only has BT1.0 and hence no OBEX support.

i can send files to and from it via BT FileExchange utility but that's about as far as it goes :(

the 7650 is not a recommended purchase... am i drifting off topic?

Perhaps, but it's just the sort of thing I've been dying to know... the 7650 - come to think of it, ALL the Nokias - look great at first, then when you dig a little deeper the tech behind it seems to be a little lame (no bluetooth on models that support syncML, no syncML on models with bluetooth...) What is up with them?

All this so I can take 640x480 pictures. I'll go with a simple cell phone and a simple digital camera and save the cash.

Now about this new Digitial Lifestyle Device...

dhunwick
Dec 14, 2002, 07:01 PM
<TRUTH>I will say no more than it WILL BE HERE!!</TRUTH>

lungaretta
Dec 14, 2002, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by dhunwick
<TRUTH>I will say no more than it WILL BE HERE!!</TRUTH>

yeah ok dhunwick... so anyway where were we... ;)

Jaykay
Dec 14, 2002, 08:15 PM
i cant see apple coming out with any sort of a phone (or a camera for that matter). I know good old steve likes his surprises but im sure we would know something about apple developing such specific hardware like this.

Personally i like the tv box idea, its an open market and thats waht apple kick ass at, not entering an already overcrowded phone market (not to mention having to develop them for different specs like 2g 2.5g and 3g or else limit the consumer base).

dhunwick
Dec 14, 2002, 09:53 PM
I tell you that's what it is, a device that will tie all the iApps together in PDA style. I say no more until Jan 7!

Natron
Dec 14, 2002, 10:38 PM
How much of a market is there for an home entertainment device like the one we're describing?? I, for one, really hope a device like this will happen, but I was just wondering what kind of market there is for it. Seems to me, it's pretty similar to the way the MP3 player market was when they introduced the iPod.

Apparently Sony is pushing the ability to view pictures on TV's, with the recent commercial with the guy calling his son to figure out how to view his pictures. He just plugs the memory stick into the TV.

I figure a device like we are describing would be better than that, since you can store all the pictures in one place.

-Natron

kwajo.com
Dec 14, 2002, 11:10 PM
I think everyone is omitting the electronic lifestyle device that is currently a monopoly: robotic pets. Sony's AIBO is the only thing like it on the market for the price. Now if Apple could make a dog, cat, or hamburglar that had Apple style and innovation, imagine what it could do! I think this is the best idea yet, and frankly I would buy two of these (in order to train them to fight, and start a "cockfighting" type business). Don't thank me just yet, but I think I have solved the mystery. You're welcome.

funkywhat2
Dec 15, 2002, 12:17 AM
OOOH! ANOTHER TV box! Maybe it can be black, and have a 68K processor. Oh, wait, they have that already!

There are way too many historical references in this thread. If it failed once, and it failed every other time it was tried, then why would they risk it again?

lmalave
Dec 15, 2002, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Natron
How much of a market is there for an home entertainment device like the one we're describing?? I, for one, really hope a device like this will happen, but I was just wondering what kind of market there is for it. Seems to me, it's pretty similar to the way the MP3 player market was when they introduced the iPod.

Apparently Sony is pushing the ability to view pictures on TV's, with the recent commercial with the guy calling his son to figure out how to view his pictures. He just plugs the memory stick into the TV.

I figure a device like we are describing would be better than that, since you can store all the pictures in one place.

-Natron

And let's not forget Rendezvous, the technology that will tie all these devices together. This is the advantage that Apple would have in the marketplace, I think, since it's a technology that they developed and thus have a head start in. The ease of use will be compelling enough get people to buy Apple products, including their computers.

To all those who say that Apple can't compete in crowded, competitive marketplaces, just take a look at the MP3 market. I don't see how the MP3 market was less competitive than any other consumer electronics market when Apple entered it. I mean, every single consumer electronics company probably came out with their own MP3 player at one point.

Apple was able to design a superior product, though, by signing an exclusive deal with Toshiba for its smallest hard drives, and leveraging its Firewire technology. Apple's product was compelling enought that it was able to capture a market-leading 15% of the MP3 player market, despite the fact that for much of the product's existence it was only able to synchronize with Macs, and even now it can only synchronize with a PC through Firewire which very few PCs have.

I mean, you would have to call the iPod an unqualified success. If Apple could gain 15% market share for a couple more digital consumer electronics products (set-top box, PDA/phone), it's entirely conceivable that Apple could soon make more money from its "digital hub" products than from the Macs themselves. And this would only serve to increase Mac market share because it would increase the visibility of the Apple brand...

lmalave
Dec 15, 2002, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by crazy_will
If it failed once, and it failed every other time it was tried, then why would they risk it again?

Because not every other set-top box has failed in the market. The Tivo/Replay DVR products are a huge success. If Apple could combine DVR with integration with various consumer products via Rendezvous, I think they'd have a winner on their hands. And the iPod proved that Apple doesn't have to be price-competitive with whatever else is in the market, if their product is superior. So if the lowest-end DVR box is $300, I think Apple could sell their product at $500 or more if it's compelling enough. Then again, if the box doesn't even have a hard drive - if it just records and plays video from a computer's hard drive via Rendezvous, it's entirely possible that the unit could cost $300 or less, though of course you'd need a computer with a beefy hard drive to store the video. And that's just video. Imagine also if the box had audio connectors so you could hook it up to your stereo or to speakers and play from your iPod or your iBook (iTunes) wirelessly via Rendezvous. Or you could show pictures from iPhoto on your TV. Also, the box could have a built-in 6-in-1 media card reader to show pictures or play music directly from a media card (for those non-Rendezvous enabled devices...)

I really think the Rendezvous set-top box is Apple's next killer product. It goes right along with their developing Digital Hub strategy, and would justify their investment in developing the new Rendezvous technology. Surely Rendezvous is not just for "discovering" iChat buddies or printing wirelessly! Think about it. It would tie together the Mac and iPod, their two biggest products, by allowing either to play wirelessly through the TV (for pictures and video) or through the stereo (for music). Of course, this implies that the iPod must be Bluetooth and Rendezvous enabled.

If Apple is really developing these type of products the way I hope they are, then I can see how Steve Jobs was justified in saying that 2003 will be Apple's most important year ever. 2003 could be the year that the Apple brand becomes synonymous with the Digital Hub, despite Microsoft and Sony's best efforts to achieve leadership in that area. Even if Apple doesn't achive the highest market share in Digital Hub products, I believe they will achieve at least the 15% market share of the iPod, and will definitely continue to lead in terms of innovation, design, and mindshare.

rdas7
Dec 15, 2002, 10:23 PM
I agree, Imalave.

In regards to, "if it failed once, why try again?" from crazy_will and the historcal posts of the QuickTake and (presumably) a prototype Pippin, the answer is this: all those old products were part of the old Apple, where the products were released to market in a completely unrelated way to the rest of the company. The QuickTake was released, but no iPhoto to go with it...

Apple are obviously working to a plan here, and some of the most underrated techniques have worked for them to great success: I remember way back when seeing Steve revamp the Apple product line into distinct categories (home/pro, portable/desktop). It is simple techniques like these that other companies are now bringing back, (like Nokia now distinguishing between consumer and business users, etc.) that simplify for the consumer, while focusing the company to specific and set goals. Remember when we were all wondering what the missing square was?

From a software standpoint, all their core investments seem to finally be at a point where they can start to complement each other - Rendezvous with iTunes, Firewire with iMovie/iPhoto, etc. All these things seem to point to a new device(s) which would put Apple far ahead of the pack.

After all, the only other company out there with such ability seems to be Sony (who make the memory cards that go into their cameras and then into their tv's, as illustrated before). A company like Microsoft would still need to develop an iTunes rival before making an mp3 player that was in the same league. And this goes for all the technologies...

So, anyway, I was thinking further about the QuickTime playback device, or Rendezvous set-top box - whatever we're going to call it:

What if the form factor was indeed that of a PDA? I was intrigued by dhunwick's confidence in a PDA device, but then tried to imagine what Apple would try and come up with.

I would assume that if it were a PDA, it would indeed be similar to the iPod (an iPad?). Hard drive memory instead of flash ram. Color screen - it would have to be.

But what OS would it run? Obviously not OSX. So have Apple been developing a 3rd OS? 1 for the iPod (I know that wasn't Apple, though), 1 for desktops (OSX) and a 3rd for a PDA?

If it were to have a hard drive, it would need a firewire connector. Data sizes are just too huge nowadays for anything else.

Bluetooth connectivity for basic functions like synching and connecting to your cellphone for comms.

Airport for high-speed access?

I don't know... this idea all falls apart for me, as the form factor just keeps on expanding - until I'm left with either a 12" iBook (hmmm... lovely) or a Newton 2100 form-factor (and we all know what's wrong with that).

As for functionality, what would it offer? Addressbook, mail, calendar... mp3 playback (compete with the iPod? possibly, if it were marketed as an "iPod-Pro") What else could they possibly stuff on it? With limited I/O speeds and small screen, I doubt you'd want to use it for webbrowsing - Sherlock perhaps? And why would anyone buy this considering Palms go for $100 now and there's a whole community of applications and developers?

Hardly something "revolutionary". Even if they pulled it off, it would still just be another PDA. Thanks. The world doesn't have enough.

But howabout if the Rendezvous settop box was built more in the form-factor of an iPod (ie. built to put in a bag and take to your friend's house, but not for use on busses and trains?). Would that make a difference?

I just see the argument for a PDA this way: when at home/work use a desktop. When travelling, use a laptop. When in between, use a mobile phone (most all phones nowadays have addressbook, mail and calendars). As long as they all talk to each other (iSync) what is the added value of a PDA? No wait, don't tell me. It's so I can store more than 150 phone numbers at a time in color.

rdas7
Dec 15, 2002, 10:28 PM
Ok, ok... I got it.

Perhaps there's an update to the iPod (iPod 2?) which enhances the current mp3 decoder to a full QuickTime-player, enabling you to play QuickTime movies on the micro-screen. Perhaps the screen is color. Perhaps they've added video-out (to connect it to a tv set).

Maybe it's just as simple as those 3 "minor" updates.

(The "QuickTime Player" would mean you can play back mp3's as well as mp4's, mov's, mpgs, and whatever else.)

Wouldn't that, in essence, be our Rendezvous device? Perhaps add built-in bluetooth for iSynching more seemlessly. Throw in a 40gig hard drive.

Could they get away with calling this a PDA? After all, the current iPod already stores addresses and calendars...

rdas7
Dec 16, 2002, 01:52 AM
Ok, so this is what we've got:

iPod2

- 40GB internal hard drive
- Bluetooth
- Firewire
- Rendezvous enabled
- full QuickTime media playback (mp3, mp4, mov, etc.)
- Color screen
- Video Out port (to tv)

iPod2 builds on experience and expertise that Apple already has: similar battery life to iPod, same great design, same ease of use. In fact, the OS for the iPod is already designed for navigating media (selecting files, scanning through files, fast forward, rewind, etc.). This is as applicable for an mp3 song as it is for a movie file.

Just as iPod (1) synched with iTunes, iPod2 will sync with iTunes, iPhoto, iCal & AddressBook so you can take your digital photo albums with you wherever you go and display them on other people's television screens or on the built-in display.

Here are some mock-ups for your amusement. Do you know, the "more than just music" slogan is straight from the apple.com/ipod page... spooky.

rdas7
Dec 16, 2002, 01:54 AM
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rdas7
Dec 16, 2002, 01:55 AM
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mangoman
Dec 16, 2002, 09:13 AM
I like it! I like it! GimmeGimmeGimme

Natron
Dec 16, 2002, 10:47 AM
How small can these larger harddrives be now? From what I understand, the 20GB is about the max size they can currently fit in the iPod, while keeping it close to the same size. They are probably working on smaller drives, but I don't think they'll have 40GB drives just yet.

-Natron

jayscheuerle
Dec 16, 2002, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Padrote
Apple has create something really profound to shake up the computer world, and get it out of its current slump. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple enters the world HDTV.

How about a hybrid HDTV Monitor with a built-in Hard Drive to record HD programs, and a DVD-R to burn these HD programs on to DVD's. With the style and design of apple, we can only hope to get something so imaginative and meaningful.

I could imagine a TIVO type recorder, but HDTV is too storage intensive and the current crop of DVD players are not compatible with it.
An HDTV recorder would have to record 4 times as much picture info as regular DVD or 16 times as much as a TIVO's VCD quality. Combine some iTV software with an iHub blue tooth device that allows your Mac to shuttle picture & video information to a box that connects to your TV and stereo... that would be sweet....

That's what I could imagine. What I expect is to come away from MWSF disappointed... - j

dhunwick
Dec 16, 2002, 11:14 AM
Those of you expecting something like that will be sorely dissapointed!

jayscheuerle
Dec 16, 2002, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by dhunwick
Those of you expecting something like that will be sorely dissapointed!

Especially since it already exists.
EyeTV (http://www.elgato.com/eyeTV/)

It's Apple integration and software design that would bring out the usability of such a system. If they could get around the low-res limitations of EyeTV, then it would be interesting. Of course, in terms of mpg's and digital cameras, many people have favored convenience over quality... - j

jayscheuerle
Dec 16, 2002, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by rdas7
Ok, so this is what we've got:

iPod2

- 40GB internal hard drive
- Bluetooth
- Firewire
- Rendezvous enabled
- full QuickTime media playback (mp3, mp4, mov, etc.)
- Color screen
- Video Out port (to tv)

iPod2 builds on experience and expertise that Apple already has: similar battery life to iPod, same great design, same ease of use. In fact, the OS for the iPod is already designed for navigating media (selecting files, scanning through files, fast forward, rewind, etc.). This is as applicable for an mp3 song as it is for a movie file.

Just as iPod (1) synched with iTunes, iPod2 will sync with iTunes, iPhoto, iCal & AddressBook so you can take your digital photo albums with you wherever you go and display them on other people's television screens or on the built-in display.

Here are some mock-ups for your amusement. Do you know, the "more than just music" slogan is straight from the apple.com/ipod page... spooky.

If a 20gb mp3 playing iPod is $500, having all this stuff on there will get you into the $800 range. That's a heck of an iToy! Any device that's going to be a "hit" will have to start no higher than $400, preferably $300.

Just put an mpg and jpg manager on the current iPod screen with some RCA output cables for playing little movies and slideshows on televisions. That seems doable for adding less than $100 to the current pricing... - j

rdas7
Dec 16, 2002, 01:14 PM
Yeah, good point about the price, etc.

I think everyone's getting a little hung up on the "record-tv-programs" aspect of it. What I had in mind was really adding functionality to the iPod (ONE feature being a video-out port).

In another thread on macrumors here, someone was pointing to a Japanese device which is essentially a video screen the size of your palm. This unit is apparently an mp4 playback device of some kind. The problem that I've got with completely new form-factors is the issues raised regarding user-interface and hardware design.

Everyone has lauded the iPod's ease-of-use, etc. - why would Apple want to leave the scroll-wheel input method for something completely new? Unless they have indeed been developing a 3rd OS for PDA use.

dhunwick seems to think so.

Come on, man - we've put in the legwork on this. Haven't you got any other hints? You've already said it's going to be a PDA. If it is indeed another Palm unit with an Apple logo on it, it's hardly the "revolutionary" item that's going to "change Apple forever" that Steve has hinted at.

Are we suddenly supposed to drool over, "4,000 addresses in your pocket"?

Evolution or Revolution?

mangoman
Dec 16, 2002, 01:28 PM
...or convoluted crap? The fantasy stuff doesn't wash, now does it? I'm with you guys who are speaking to the practical--updating the existing iPod makes sense. That's the fall I'm setting myself up for. It'll be a short fall if it doesn't happen. And if the friggin' iDominator gets released -- and it does everything but wipe my *ss, then great. We'll all have a drink or something. Light a couch on fire.

Swell.

TheInevitable
Dec 16, 2002, 02:00 PM
iPod2 type devise is most likely if anything.

The big change is just a color screen that can play quicktime, jpg, etc. It will be compatable with iCal, iPhoto (and synch with the new Quicktime 6.5 app?). Maybe it comes with a Firewire>RCA cable? This could be done without much price change. Then as the technology increases, we get bigger hard drives.

I think something like this is realistic enough to actually happen. At the same time, I'd give my right nut to own one.

mangoman
Dec 16, 2002, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by TheInevitable
At the same time, I'd give my right nut to own one.

Got my garden snippers and icebag ready, how 'bout you?

TheInevitable
Dec 16, 2002, 02:15 PM
GARDEN SNIPPER!!!! ouch. I was thinking along the lines of an Xacto knife and something to stitch me back up.

jayscheuerle
Dec 16, 2002, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by TheInevitable
iPod2 type devise is most likely if anything.

The big change is just a color screen that can play quicktime, jpg, etc. It will be compatable with iCal, iPhoto (and synch with the new Quicktime 6.5 app?). Maybe it comes with a Firewire>RCA cable? This could be done without much price change. Then as the technology increases, we get bigger hard drives.

I think something like this is realistic enough to actually happen. At the same time, I'd give my right nut to own one.

With high-quality mp3's and a good set of headphones, the iPod delivers a non-compromised listening experience. A 2.5" color lcd is an expensive, crappy excuse for watching a movie or viewing pictures. If you could magically set the device near a tv and play through the big picture, THAT would be cool. OR maybe there's a high-intensity projector that beams the images on a blank wall!!:D

10 to 1 the upgrade is something nobody wants and few can afford (like .Mac, but with hardware!).

- j

TheInevitable
Dec 16, 2002, 02:40 PM
Thats what the firewire>RCA cable is for; getting your images to the TV. Little LCD screens can't be that expensive, I've seen digital cameras with half decent LCD screens for $200. Also, if they can make PDAs with huge color screens for $500 or less, they can make an iPod with a decent 2" LCD screen for reasonable price.

This new iPod would take the $499 price point, and the older iPods would drop in price respectively.

TheInevitable
Dec 16, 2002, 03:40 PM
My cousin's sister-in-law's uncle once removed works for apple and got me this UNDENIABLE PROOF!!!!

I guess they plan to do some marketing with movie trailers. Apperantly, there is this Star Wars one, and there is a Matrix one, and an X-men and Hulk ones too.

TheInevitable
Dec 16, 2002, 03:41 PM
Just in case you don't know this, I am totally full of crap.

jayscheuerle
Dec 16, 2002, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by TheInevitable
...they can make an iPod with a decent 2" LCD screen for reasonable price.


Sure, they can, but I don't think Apple could.....

oldMac
Dec 16, 2002, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by lmalave


Because not every other set-top box has failed in the market. The Tivo/Replay DVR products are a huge success.

Excuse me? Tivo and Replay are a huge success? By what measure?

Certainly not by the stock price of Sonic Blue (65 cents per share). And, certainly not by the money-hemorrhaging that Tivo is doing either (losing an average of $28 million per quarter on average revenue of $15 million dollars).

Notably, it looks like Tivo might turn the corner with a good Christmas season, but it's hardly enough to call it a "huge success".

usersince86
Dec 16, 2002, 04:24 PM
iPod 2:

* 20G and 30G models
* 1.8" color LCD
* headphone out (of course)
* firewire 1+2 compatible
* Bluetooth compatible
* data cable w/RCA plugs for analog connections
* plays MP3s, stills and clips
* iTunes, iCal, iSync, iPhoto, iMovie 3 (or something like "iClip") compatible
* $549. (20G) and $649. (30G)
* current line drops by $50. to $449. (20G), $349. (10G)
* 5G model is discontinued
* no separate versions: Mac and Windows in the same package

or maybe not...

:p

TheInevitable
Dec 16, 2002, 04:46 PM
I think you hit it right on the nose.

rdas7
Dec 16, 2002, 05:16 PM
Of course the built-in screen is T68i-ish, mainly for reference. The real use would be for plugging into external screens (tv's, etc.)

No need for a "firewire to rca" converter - technically that can't exist. You just need a video-out port. Video subsystem needs only drive 768x512 resolution since that's what tv is (PAL at least).

Not sure about Firewire 2 compatible.

There is this IP over Firewire business around at the moment which would suggest if you could squeeze airport into the unit, you could connect to it wirelessly (ie. file transfer from your den into your living room). Probably not at this stage, though.

usersince86 that looks pretty damn close to what I'd expect.

I'd also assume the iApps would get a revision right across the board to support this new device (iPhoto would add sync functions, iMovie3/4 would add "export for iPod", etc.)

Basically, this device would be - as discussed - a hardware quicktime player. It's the only way you'll get graphics & video support on it. The current iPod already decodes MP3. Full QuickTime support would mean you can use the iPod mk II for MP4, etc. - didn't Apple already say that this was in the works?

Isn't MP4/AAC support an already-known feature of iTunes 4 (as is Rendezvous syncing?)

If so, then can we assume this device will also form part of Apple's push to encourage users to adopt MP4 audio? After all, store the same amount of music in MP4 as you did in MP3, PLUS room for video. That would make more efficient use of the 20 & 30 (!) GB drive. Nice work, usersince86.

So guys, what's the prize for guessing right? Are we indeed to "set a couch on fire"?

and somebody please keep TheInevitable away from sharp objects!!!