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nitromac
Sep 13, 2012, 05:33 PM
I try and I try to like it, but every time, it just ***** on me in the middle of something. I was trying to watch the keynote on apple.com yesterday (after it was finished, so no live stream). It wouldn't load. I was forced to watch it in Google Chrome, for which apple purposely uploaded a low-res, low framerate version.

Youtube didn't work yesterday under the HTML5 trial. Had to decline and load through flash.

And half the time I'm typing something, it will randomly white out whatever I had typed, and then after deleting 90% of the text, it shows back up, but only with the 10% remaining text that I hadn't erased.

And there are black blocks that show up on youtube, this forum, engadget, basically every website I visit. I have to select the entire page to get rid of them.

Seriously, apple.



PalacePlayers
Sep 13, 2012, 05:35 PM
Try it on the new retina MacBook Pro. Facebook is so slow and laggy it's actually useless. Like in useless. Hoping for an update very soon. Safari 6.0 on retina MacBook Pro is the worst product I've used by Apple bar none.

Namtaro
Sep 13, 2012, 05:45 PM
It's definitely not Safari, but it's something else or how you configured it that's the problem.

Everything that you have described has never happened to me on Safari. I actually switched from Chrome to Safari after version 6.0.


Not sure of the Retina version though since I have the 2011 15inch Macbook Pro.

stchman
Sep 13, 2012, 05:48 PM
Just use Firefox and be done with Safari. Firefox is a far superior browser over Safari.

jk73
Sep 13, 2012, 08:33 PM
It's definitely not Safari, but it's something else or how you configured it that's the problem.

[...]

Not sure of the Retina version though since I have the 2011 15inch Macbook Pro.

Safari on rMBP is atrocious. It's the worst experience I've had with an Apple product in years and years.

theineffablebob
Sep 14, 2012, 02:50 AM
The only reason I use Safari on my rMBP is because it's still the smoothest browser. Firefox and Chrome aren't as smooth in scrolling which annoys me, so I just try and live with Safari's crashing and rendering problems.

Sital
Sep 14, 2012, 06:10 AM
Safari is the only one of the "three big" browsers that gives me problems. It does have the best gestures and animations, but those don't make up for the frustrations. I switched to Firefox and have been happy with it. When Safari 7 comes out I'll give it another try, but won't be holding my breath.

PalacePlayers
Sep 14, 2012, 06:20 AM
The only reason I use Safari on my rMBP is because it's still the smoothest browser. Firefox and Chrome aren't as smooth in scrolling which annoys me, so I just try and live with Safari's crashing and rendering problems.

Are you serious? To me it's the scrolling that makes it useless. When I am scrolling down my facebook feed it lags so much it's almost not useable.

If you aren't having the same experience as me it's interesting. Could this be a hardware problem on my Mac?

Soundflunky
Sep 14, 2012, 07:08 AM
Maybe he just doesn't use Facebook.

PalacePlayers
Sep 14, 2012, 09:00 AM
Maybe he just doesn't use Facebook.

Tons of other web sites renders horribly as well, facebook is just worst in class.

JesalTV
Sep 14, 2012, 09:21 AM
Well this is weird.

Been a longtime Firefox user. Every year I give Safari a spin just for a laugh, and hate it after minutes.

But after recent upgrade to Mountain Lion, I really like Safari! It's much better now (for me on my 2011 MBP 15" - with 16gb RAM, though).

Love the full-screen option too, and have had zero problems in the last few weeks.

Krazy Bill
Sep 14, 2012, 10:16 AM
This is another one of those enigmas I can't understand. While I never doubt the people here that claim these problems I just never experience them. Since OSX 10.5 most things have simply worked for me.

Sure, there have been (and always will be) the blatant quirks and design flaws but I've yet to come across any show stoppers. I had a kernel panic back in '09 though if that makes anyone feel better.

As far as browsers go, Safari has always worked blazingly fast for me. If there are any subtle differences between chrome, FireFox, Opera... I sure can't see them. (Although FireFox has a wealth of awesome plug-ins).

A long time ago I resigned myself to try to use as many native Apple apps as I could which were made for the OS. Made sense then. Makes sense today.

MacDawg
Sep 14, 2012, 10:21 AM
I actually moved from Chrome to Safari because it was much quicker for me and works flawlessly

Chrome is my second choice from time to time when I need 2 browsers open to login to sites

I gave up on the slow and bloated Firefox long ago

Amigaman
Sep 14, 2012, 10:44 AM
I stuck with Chrome for a long time. However, Safari 6 on ML has won me over. I haven't had any issues with it so far.

PalacePlayers
Sep 14, 2012, 11:04 AM
I stuck with Chrome for a long time. However, Safari 6 on ML has won me over. I haven't had any issues with it so far.

I see that you have a retina display MacBook Pro, so I was curious on how Safari on your computer performs on these sites:

- facebook, on your news feed especially
- www.aftenposten.no
- www.nrk.no
- www.retinamacapps.com
- www.vg.no

Would have been great if you just told me how Safari performs on these sites, just regular fast and slower scrolling etc.

Amigaman
Sep 14, 2012, 11:14 AM
I was curious on how Safari on your computer performs on these sites:

- facebook, on your news feed especially
- www.aftenposten.no
- www.nrk.no
- www.retinamacapps.com
- www.vg.no



My Facebook feed loads and scrolls quickly. The first site on your list loaded slow and was very slow when scrolling. The 2nd and 4th sites both loaded and scrolled just fine. The 3rd link was dead. Hope this helps!

Sital
Sep 14, 2012, 12:44 PM
I actually moved from Chrome to Safari because it was much quicker for me and works flawlessly

Chrome is my second choice from time to time when I need 2 browsers open to login to sites

I gave up on the slow and bloated Firefox long ago

With the last couple of versions or so, Firefox is no longer slow. I did a side-by-side comparison of Safari 6 and Firefox (version 14, maybe, who can keep track) and Firefox was slightly faster rendering web pages. And memory and CPU use was similar with Safari better by a little bit. As usual, it's really just a matter of personal preference and for me Firefox's quirks < Safari's quirks.

eternalife
Sep 14, 2012, 01:20 PM
Interesting to hear all the problems. I don't have any issues with Safari (recent releases). It is my browser of choice for everything but flash. I jump over to Chrome for that. I don't even have Flash installed on my machine (maybe that has something to do with it).

limonade
Sep 14, 2012, 01:23 PM
I try and I try to like it, but every time, it just ***** on me in the middle of something. I was trying to watch the keynote on apple.com yesterday (after it was finished, so no live stream). It wouldn't load. I was forced to watch it in Google Chrome, for which apple purposely uploaded a low-res, low framerate version.

I like Safari. I do. But I have to admit that some other browsers do what Safari can't do.

I had the same issue with the keynote, I couldn't watch it in Safari so I had to watch it with Firefox, which is a little silly. You know, not being able to watch an Apple keynote on an Apple program.

SR45
Sep 14, 2012, 01:29 PM
I actually moved from Chrome to Safari because it was much quicker for me and works flawlessly

Chrome is my second choice from time to time when I need 2 browsers open to login to sites

I gave up on the slow and bloated Firefox long ago

Started with Safari, went to Chrome for a few days, then returned to Safari. Don't know what apps you have, if they are Safari compatible or not, but I have no issues with mine running. ;) :)

PS: I have Flash installed and works

KScottMyers
Sep 14, 2012, 02:01 PM
This is another one of those enigmas I can't understand. While I never doubt the people here that claim these problems I just never experience them. Since OSX 10.5 most things have simply worked for me.

Sure, there have been (and always will be) the blatant quirks and design flaws but I've yet to come across any show stoppers. I had a kernel panic back in '09 though if that makes anyone feel better.

As far as browsers go, Safari has always worked blazingly fast for me. If there are any subtle differences between chrome, FireFox, Opera... I sure can't see them. (Although FireFox has a wealth of awesome plug-ins).

A long time ago I resigned myself to try to use as many native Apple apps as I could which were made for the OS. Made sense then. Makes sense today.

Agreed - I can't really use other browsers. Safari just feels right. Its fast, renders pages fine and I never feel like I'm missing any features. Just don't understand why others have issues with it.

If you also consider how it ties into iCloud for tabs and bookmark syncing for iOS, OS X and Windows - its pretty amazing.

dowser81
Sep 16, 2012, 03:42 PM
Try it on the new retina MacBook Pro. Facebook is so slow and laggy it's actually useless. Like in useless. Hoping for an update very soon. Safari 6.0 on retina MacBook Pro is the worst product I've used by Apple bar none.


What are you talking about works fine on my rMBP

skywavesli
Sep 16, 2012, 06:00 PM
What are you talking about works fine on my rMBP

Ditto. Runs fine on my rMBP too.

PalacePlayers
Sep 16, 2012, 06:31 PM
What are you talking about works fine on my rMBP

Ditto. Runs fine on my rMBP too.

Hm, weird. How does these sites perform then?

www.aftenposten.no
www.nrk.no
www.pitchfork.com

chrono1081
Sep 16, 2012, 06:33 PM
Safari works perfectly fine for me. Its my favorite browser (on Mac).

ChrisA
Sep 16, 2012, 06:50 PM
I always wonder why some people have so much trouble with software that works perfectly for 99% of the users. What makes these people have trouble? What are they doing?

Many times I've seen people blame the wrong things. Some say "the computer is slow" what really it is the internet connection that is having problems. Other times I've seen a partially failing hard disk that had to do many re-tries and the computer would hang and of course they blame whatever software they happen to be running.

I've yet to hear a complaint where someone has tested the "bad" software on multiple computers, using all different Internet connections and has good solid statistics. It is easy to be fooled by the statistics of small numbers.

nitromac
Sep 16, 2012, 10:35 PM
I always wonder why some people have so much trouble with software that works perfectly for 99% of the users. What makes these people have trouble? What are they doing?

Many times I've seen people blame the wrong things. Some say "the computer is slow" what really it is the internet connection that is having problems. Other times I've seen a partially failing hard disk that had to do many re-tries and the computer would hang and of course they blame whatever software they happen to be running.

I've yet to hear a complaint where someone has tested the "bad" software on multiple computers, using all different Internet connections and has good solid statistics. It is easy to be fooled by the statistics of small numbers.

My internet connection is completely fine, and my computer is far more than capable of handling web browsing. Safari on iPhone has never had any problems in my 3 years of owning iPhones. I don't see why the same isn't the case for my MBP.

I do want to point out that Chrome gave me a few black boxes on youtube today as well, on a totally different PC (Windows). That might be a website issue.

But the whiting-out text is definitely not. (and is the most annoying)

ChrisA
Sep 16, 2012, 11:30 PM
My internet connection is completely fine, and my computer is far more than capable of handling web browsing....

Read the text you quoted. How many Macbooks have you tried this on (only yours or several others?) how many different internet service providers and have to done a statistically valid number of tests giving you reasonable confidence numbers?

In other words, so far, the best explanation is "something is wrong with your setup. It is broken". See if the problem exists on other computers and if so on what fraction of them.

I recenty fixed a crashing audio app. It turns out when the app made a certain API call the Appple library routine did acheck on all installed AU type plug-ins and one of them that was installed years ago was "bad" on the newer version of Mac OS X. Took me a long time to figure it out and I have 30 years of experience with software development. This exact thing is not what is causing your problem but I bet it is something like it, something seemingly unrelated to Safari that is "different" on your system that exposes a bug. Could be "anything" and it might be impossible to find. But I bet if you do random tesing on other macBooks you will never be able to reproduce it.

ParsiKade
Sep 17, 2012, 04:24 AM
Safari's my favorite browser, I'm using a 2011 MBP and haven't had any of those problems you mentioned. I had some problems using Safari 5 but version 6 is much better, I think you should check your settings and see if you have changed your preferences on Safari. (LOL dictation is good :D)

nancyfromafrica
Sep 17, 2012, 05:10 AM
I have used safari on windows and felt that it lagged some functionalities but overall it was better than opera and ie

aliensporebomb
Sep 17, 2012, 09:51 PM
When was the last time you upgraded Adobe Flash?
When was the last time you upgraded Java?
When was the last time you upgraded Silverlight?

turtlez
Sep 17, 2012, 11:19 PM
Things I have noticed that make safari my fav are, disabling java.

vanc
Sep 17, 2012, 11:45 PM
A long time Chrome user. Since rMBP with Safari 6, I switched over on rMBP. It feels smoother than Chrome (tried release, beta and canary builds, still keep them in the system).

I hated Safari before version 6. Now it's much more better.

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Still using Chrome on Linux and Windows, though. It's the best.