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JGIGS
Sep 17, 2012, 03:58 PM
I guess I'm wonder, other than the hardcore Linux fanboys, who gives half a fat rat's ass about specs like RAM, if apps run right, the UI doesn't lag, and you don't have to reboot it all the time.

Not one person should a damn about CPU speed and RAM if the software runs properly on whatever is in there.

Samsung: the Mhz wars were over years ago. It's bad marketing.

True but if there are faster processors and larger ram available prior to the release of a new iphone does it hurt to put it in the iphone regardless? It would also help future proof it longer. Just ask iphone, 3g, 3gs and iphone 4 users if they wish apple would have put more mhz into the phone so they could have siri, 3d maps and turn by turn nav. Oh wait I am an iphone 4 user and would have appreciated it.

Oh but then if I can use those features on my 4 I don't need to upgrade to a 4s or a 5. Interrrrrresting



jctevere
Sep 17, 2012, 04:09 PM
The shear level of hypocrisy on this forum is staggering. If Apple ran exactly the same ad everyone would be praising them and saying how good the iPhone was because it has so many more features than the S3. Now it's oh well we don't need all those useful features anyway. Just makes me laugh how myopic some people are when it comes to Apple.

But you see, Apple would have never ran an ad like this... Furthermore, even if they ran a similar "comparison ad" like the mac vs pc ads, they wouldn't bring up trivial features as a competitive advantage. About the only two samsung features that I think are "decent" and that I would like to have on the iPhone are NFC and SmartStay. There are many more features that make iOS and iPhone better or more appealing in my opinion that Samsung cleverly managed to leave out.

However, I'm not that upset about not having NFC due to passbook and the fact that theft over NFC is becoming increasingly common and a more serious threat.

If you look at mac vs pc ads, some highlighted how they were better then windows (such as not getting viruses, etc). But the majority of the ads focused on how they aimed at different things. With them even recognizing that windows pc is "good for businesses with math and numbers" but mac is great for personal with more creative apps and higher reliability.

Is Apple a perfect company? Of course not, but I believe they have such a massive and loyal following for the same reason Mercedes-Benz makes great vehicles and keeps shattering sales records with some of the most loyal customers.

Mercedes vehicles aren't always the fastest, nor do they have the latest technology or the best value. However, they are great at innovating (safety features, heck, creation of the automobile) and the overall package they provide is very refined, controlled and not to mention, luxurious/premium.

Flux.Capacitor
Sep 17, 2012, 04:10 PM
True but if there are faster processors and larger ram available prior to the release of a new iphone does it hurt to put it in the iphone regardless? It would also help future proof it longer. Just ask iphone, 3g, 3gs and iphone 4 users if they wish apple would have put more mhz into the phone so they could have siri, 3d maps and turn by turn nav. Oh wait I am an iphone 4 user and would have appreciated it.

Oh but then if I can use those features on my 4 I don't need to upgrade to a 4s or a 5. Interrrrrresting

That depends. What are the pro's and cons to adding a faster processor, more ram etc? Does it raise costs/lower profits? Will it make a noticeable difference (other than for marketing purposes)? Will it decrease battery life? Then there's the inevitable "will it keep repeat customers from buying our next release sooner"? One of the main reasons, i believe at least, that cars, washing machines, toaster ovens etc. don't last as long as they used to.

JGIGS
Sep 17, 2012, 04:21 PM
The technology is good, the implication is bad. If NFC can exchnage information between devices, so it can exchange viruses, malware or user information. Android is open software, so it is easy to get viruses, iPhone is closed controled ecosystem so if you not jailbreak it, its safe. When apple adopt NFC they will do it their way, focosing on security, useability and user experiance. Sammy has it, so i wanna know how many of those users use it. 1%? 0.05%? Or maybe less. So its there but nobody use it, and thats the big deal. I use my iPad every single day and every single feature is great and I use it almost all the time.

NFC isn't just for sending things between two phones you don't even have to use that feature if you are worried about getting a virus but most people are sending pics and vids then made and contacts on the phone so I think the risk is low for that stuff.

You can use NFC tags that change your setting say when you get to the office and put your phone down and lauch apps. Not a real necessarry function but hand so people in the office don't yell at you if your phone starts ringing and you not at your desk beacause you forgot to put your phone on silent. (past experience)

I'm not sure but I think you can associate a credit card to google wallet and use at places that have tap and go credit card functions? I might be wrong about that one. (probably am lol)

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That depends. What are the pro's and cons to adding a faster processor, more ram etc? Does it raise costs/lower profits? Will it make a noticeable difference (other than for marketing purposes)? Will it decrease battery life? Then there's the inevitable "will it keep repeat customers from buying our next release sooner"? One of the main reasons, i believe at least, that cars, washing machines, toaster ovens etc. don't last as long as they used to.

If other smartphone makers who use os's that require more resources can use fast processors and maintain decent battery life I'm sure Apple can figure it out. As a consumer what do I care about Apples profit margin? Last time I checked they are not suffering and I'm certain there markup very healthy.

Ummm yes the main point of my post was they put inferior processors to make sure you buy the next iphone.

jctevere
Sep 17, 2012, 04:25 PM
True but if there are faster processors and larger ram available prior to the release of a new iphone does it hurt to put it in the iphone regardless? It would also help future proof it longer. Just ask iphone, 3g, 3gs and iphone 4 users if they wish apple would have put more mhz into the phone so they could have siri, 3d maps and turn by turn nav. Oh wait I am an iphone 4 user and would have appreciated it.

Oh but then if I can use those features on my 4 I don't need to upgrade to a 4s or a 5. Interrrrrresting

It's called planned obsolecense my friend. But with the same step. Even if there were faster processesors available back when the 3GS, iPhone 4, etc were made as well as more ram. It doesn't mean that it woudl be a good idea to include the very best.

The power consumption and battery life would have been horrible, the equivalent of a Hummer sucking down gas. Not to mention, that they would definitely not have been offered at the price point they had, as it would need to be much more expensive.

So in the end, even if they had "future proofed" the devices, like you have said. It would have created for an expensive, energy sucking experience that most likely still wouldn't have been nearly as good as the devices today, since even the very best processors years ago can't hold a match to the stuff we have today.

Lastly, my 32GB iPhone 4 is worth the same as the iPhone 5 32GB if I sell it used. So essentially, I haven't ever had to pay for a phone. Its more like I pay an upfront cost and then get the money back when I sell it.

Flux.Capacitor
Sep 17, 2012, 04:29 PM
If other smartphone makers who use os's that require more resources can use fast processors and maintain decent battery life I'm sure Apple can figure it out. As a consumer what do I care about Apples profit margin? Last time I checked they are not suffering and I'm certain there markup very healthy.

Ummm yes the main point of my post was they put inferior processors to make sure you buy the next iphone.

No their profit margin might not matter to you, but to them it's important. They are in business to make money. Just like Nokia, MS, Samsung, Google...

And I'm not sure it's an inferior processor, the new A6 is supposedly a take on the ARM15 processor which is pretty good. If I'm not mistaken, the iPhone 4 was released back in June of 2010... 2 and a half years ago, and it still pretty much can run iOS 5 (and now 6) pretty well. Technology is changing fast, so naturally after iPhone 5 is released, few months later a newer/faster chip will be available, making the 5 outdated.

I'm not an android user, but can someone tell me how well 2.5 year old android phone runs Jelly Bean? Probably no different than the iPhone 4 runs the latest iOS I would guess.

JGIGS
Sep 17, 2012, 04:39 PM
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No their profit margin might not matter to you, but to them it's important. They are in business to make money. Just like Nokia, MS, Samsung, Google...

And I'm not sure it's an inferior processor, the new A6 is supposedly a take on the ARM15 processor which is pretty good. If I'm not mistaken, the iPhone 4 was released back in June of 2010... 2 and a half years ago, and it still pretty much can run iOS 5 (and now 6) pretty well. Technology is changing fast, so naturally after iPhone 5 is released, few months later a newer/faster chip will be available, making the 5 outdated.

I'm not an android user, but can someone tell me how well 2.5 year old android phone runs Jelly Bean? Probably no different than the iPhone 4 runs the latest iOS I would guess.

Well there are 1.5 and 2 mhz processor's available now so I assume apple could have put in a faster processor into the 5. Not really sure about the previous models. Maybe I'm wrong but just seems like apple likes to keep functions away from you a year later (siri) that can and should be able to run on the phone. Pretty sure most 2 year old Android phones are capable of turn by turn navigation as well.

I'm an apple user and fan but I still call a spade a spade.

pear21
Sep 17, 2012, 04:47 PM
It is kind of a good ad making the s3 look better than what it is. I recently got the s3 but I am pretty sure that I am going back to iPhone. I like the s3 but android annoys me somewhat. I miss iMessage quite a lot since I am in buildings that have horrible cell coverage. I liked game center. iTunes is so much better and I like the genius playlists. The iPhone has a better battery than any android. I miss the mute button on the iPhone. If apple made an ad like this they could make a list of all the features that the s3 doesn't have

Rennir
Sep 17, 2012, 04:52 PM
It is kind of a good ad making the s3 look better than what it is. I recently got the s3 but I am pretty sure that I am going back to iPhone. I like the s3 but android annoys me somewhat. I miss iMessage quite a lot since I am in buildings that have horrible cell coverage. I liked game center. iTunes is so much better and I like the genius playlists. The iPhone has a better battery than any android. I miss the mute button on the iPhone. If apple made an ad like this they could make a list of all the features that the s3 doesn't have

The Motorola Razr Maxx says hi :)

Flux.Capacitor
Sep 17, 2012, 04:55 PM
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Well there are 1.5 and 2 mhz processor's available now so I assume apple could have put in a faster processor into the 5. Not really sure about the previous models. Maybe I'm wrong but just seems like apple likes to keep functions away from you a year later (siri) that can and should be able to run on the phone. Pretty sure most 2 year old Android phones are capable of turn by turn navigation as well.

I'm an apple user and fan but I still call a spade a spade.

Yeah, I agree it's pretty silly to keep Siri on only 4S and above, but I suspect it's more on their side than the phone's. It doesn't technically run on the phone, it runs on Apple's servers. They probably kept it out because they didn't want the overload on their side.

As far as MHz go, just because one chip runs at a higher frequency, doesn't mean it processes instructions faster, unless you are talking about two exact chips (e.g. i7 vs i7). Just like the old AMD chips were faster than the Intel chips running at a slower frequency. The A6 is not the same chip on other android devices. Plus it's supposed to be more energy efficient allowing them to use a smaller battery making a thinner phone.

pear21
Sep 17, 2012, 05:18 PM
The Motorola Razr Maxx says hi :)

I haven't tried that one, a few of my friends have different androids and they are always having to charge their phone.

linkgx1
Sep 17, 2012, 05:39 PM
So basically when Samsung does something, they are the devil. When Apple does something, they are the angels.:rolleyes:

They are friggin' products people! Again, you guys didn't have a problem with the Mac vs PC ads. Those adds couldn't be shown in certain countries or had to be changed siginficantly because it would be offensive. And let's not forget the criticism:

In an article for Slate magazine, Seth Stevenson criticized the campaign as being too "mean spirited", suggesting, "isn't smug superiority (no matter how affable and casually dressed) a bit off-putting as a brand strategy?



Again, Apple's campaign was offensive to many.

Ervin
Sep 17, 2012, 05:40 PM
The problem with the Samsung ad is that its misleading to some degree, but what really ticks me off is the "doesn't take a genius" phrase. The fact that Samsung is basically calling all iPhone users idiots for not choosing their product. Tell me why in the heck am I going to switch to a galaxy universe solar system 3 yada yada yada phone when they put potential customers down? It's illogical an insulting. That's why the apple fans get on the defensive.

JGIGS
Sep 17, 2012, 05:56 PM
The problem with the Samsung ad is that its misleading to some degree, but what really ticks me off is the "doesn't take a genius" phrase. The fact that Samsung is basically calling all iPhone users idiots for not choosing their product. Tell me why in the heck am I going to switch to a galaxy universe solar system 3 yada yada yada phone when they put potential customers down? It's illogical an insulting. That's why the apple fans get on the defensive.

I don't see it as offensive apple users its more of pun directed at the fact that apple calls there employees geniuses. That and the fact that the recent apple genius commercials where a huge flop.

Oh and the mac vs. pc commercials couldn't be considered offensive to pc users? The pc was a bumbling idiot lol. Its advertising take it for what it is and don't take it seriously.

linkgx1
Sep 17, 2012, 06:08 PM
The problem with the Samsung ad is that its misleading to some degree, but what really ticks me off is the "doesn't take a genius" phrase. The fact that Samsung is basically calling all iPhone users idiots for not choosing their product. Tell me why in the heck am I going to switch to a galaxy universe solar system 3 yada yada yada phone when they put potential customers down? It's illogical an insulting. That's why the apple fans get on the defensive.

The "I'm a Mac" ads were VERY offensive to me because of the way it portrayed the PC. Maybe what's why most people are still on WINDOWS computers.

Stop being a whiny brat. Seriously it's just a damn phone. They aren't threatening you're life for not buying an S3!:rolleyes:

JGIGS
Sep 17, 2012, 06:22 PM
It is kind of a good ad making the s3 look better than what it is. I recently got the s3 but I am pretty sure that I am going back to iPhone. I like the s3 but android annoys me somewhat. I miss iMessage quite a lot since I am in buildings that have horrible cell coverage. I liked game center. iTunes is so much better and I like the genius playlists. The iPhone has a better battery than any android. I miss the mute button on the iPhone. If apple made an ad like this they could make a list of all the features that the s3 doesn't have

I'm about to go on the same adventure and I'm sure I'm going to miss iMessage because I like being able to send messages to peoples phone but use my macbook to do it.

To bad apple won't let a third party mighty text provide there app so we could have a multi platform solution. Or if I could send what's up messages on my keyboard ahhh well.

I think my provider has the rogers 1 thing that might let me type sms messages from my computer. I guess I'll look into that.

If apple pimps up and does a nice refresh to ios (widgets etc) I'll be running back with a fist full of dollars! Book it!

kdarling
Sep 17, 2012, 06:30 PM
... what really ticks me off is the "doesn't take a genius" phrase. The fact that Samsung is basically calling all iPhone users idiots for not choosing their product.

Heck, that's nothing in comparison to Apple's recent ads that basically called their own users idiots, for not knowing how to do common creative actions on the expensive products they bought.

Not to mention Apple showing iPhone users talking to their devices as if they had no real people to converse with, and even asking their phone it was raining... while they stand at a window. (*)

Taking offense is easy. It's seeing the humor in it all, that takes a bit of wisdom and maturity.

(*) Mind you, Zooey can do that all day long, as far as I'm concerned :)

Macintosh-HD
Sep 17, 2012, 06:32 PM
The only things that are actually useful in that list are NFC, expandable storage, removable battery, and a larger screen(this is subjective as some prefer a compact phone), rest of the crap is just gimmicky and wouldn't call them features. Stupid ad IMO

I doubt Apple will ever allow for expandable storage. They could no longer effectively price gouge for the next "model" up (16, 32, 64 GB).

cynics
Sep 17, 2012, 06:42 PM
A lot of that difference in file size comes from the fact that on Android you have to download additional files when you first install the game. You DL the game from the store, open it up and DL more content. I'd venture to guess the file size discrepancy isn't that large, but in my (limited) experience with Android, the iOS counterparts seem more stable so the additional size isn't really an issue.

This are installed file size. Like dead trigger was a 20 meg file then like you said the additional content was the other 140 meg.

I never had any stability issues. But I only use Nexus devices.

Obi-Wan Kubrick
Sep 17, 2012, 06:57 PM
Turn over to mute! OMG I'm sold! Ha just kidding.

pear21
Sep 17, 2012, 07:11 PM
I'm about to go on the same adventure and I'm sure I'm going to miss iMessage because I like being able to send messages to peoples phone but use my macbook to do it.

To bad apple won't let a third party mighty text provide there app so we could have a multi platform solution. Or if I could send what's up messages on my keyboard ahhh well.

I think my provider has the rogers 1 thing that might let me type sms messages from my computer. I guess I'll look into that.

If apple pimps up and does a nice refresh to ios (widgets etc) I'll be running back with a fist full of dollars! Book it!

That would be sweet if there was cross platform iMessage built right into texting.

I really believe that iOS 7 will be the start of a new looking iOS. There isn't a whole lot more they can do with ios without changing some things around so I think it will be gradual but we will start to see some new fresh features in ios. Like instead of five rows of icons, use one row for some type of widget.

yourtoys7
Sep 17, 2012, 07:31 PM
And if you haven't notice so does Apple. Just look at almost every OS release. Even their mobile services are more of a work in progress. Don't get me wrong I love using a Mac. And have several iPhones but this last round of "upgrades" has just pissed me off to the point I don't even know if I can keep using "icloud". It is just crap and every time I log in it just pisses me off more and more. I don't like always feeling like a Beta tester. I did that for years, now I just want stuff to work.

+1, I got to the point that I don't want almost none of apple services or devises. They're getting too big for their own good. Hate using iTunes, they used to be plain and simple to use, now its like mixed bowl of what ever. I really used to love apple for their simple and just works approach, no so now

Rogifan
Sep 17, 2012, 08:30 PM
I wonder when they're going to change the name of this site to SamsungFans.com. I've never seen so many Samsung defenders on an Apple fan site :rolleyes:

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 08:52 PM
I wonder when they're going to change the name of this site to SamsungFans.com. I've never seen so many Samsung defenders on an Apple fan site :rolleyes:
Maybe you need to stick to the non-Alternatives subforums if it upsets you so much.

Rogifan
Sep 17, 2012, 09:01 PM
Maybe you need to stick to the non-Alternatives subforums if it upsets you so much.

It's not just confined to alternatives sub forum. Plus this thread was posted on the front page (click bait no doubt). Every thread these days seems to turn into an Apple/Samsung pissing match. No better these stupid sites like Engadget. There's plenty of places to go to fanboy/girl Samsung. Why is it necessary to also do it on an Apple fan site?

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 09:10 PM
It's not just confined to alternatives sub forum. Plus this thread was posted on the front page (click bait no doubt). Every thread these days seems to turn into an Apple/Samsung pissing match. No better these stupid sites like Engadget. There's plenty of places to go to fanboy/girl Samsung. Why is it necessary to also do it on an Apple fan site?
If you hate it so much, why do you go to the effort to entering the Alternative subforum and posting in a Samsung thread? Clearly you just want to confront Samsung supporters instead of just ignoring them as you should.

Mrg02d
Sep 17, 2012, 09:13 PM
I wonder when they're going to change the name of this site to SamsungFans.com. I've never seen so many Samsung defenders on an Apple fan site :rolleyes:

A lot of us either had or still have an apple device Brah. Just because we decide the s3 is better doesn't mean we should get exiled...I've got an ipad3 and gave up my 4s for the s3. So how do you like me now?

rockametrics
Sep 17, 2012, 09:24 PM
But you see, Apple would have never ran an ad like this... Furthermore, even if they ran a similar "comparison ad" like the mac vs pc ads, they wouldn't bring up trivial features as a competitive advantage. About the only two samsung features that I think are "decent" and that I would like to have on the iPhone are NFC and SmartStay. There are many more features that make iOS and iPhone better or more appealing in my opinion that Samsung cleverly managed to leave out.

However, I'm not that upset about not having NFC due to passbook and the fact that theft over NFC is becoming increasingly common and a more serious threat.

If you look at mac vs pc ads, some highlighted how they were better then windows (such as not getting viruses, etc). But the majority of the ads focused on how they aimed at different things. With them even recognizing that windows pc is "good for businesses with math and numbers" but mac is great for personal with more creative apps and higher reliability.

Is Apple a perfect company? Of course not, but I believe they have such a massive and loyal following for the same reason Mercedes-Benz makes great vehicles and keeps shattering sales records with some of the most loyal customers.

Mercedes vehicles aren't always the fastest, nor do they have the latest technology or the best value. However, they are great at innovating (safety features, heck, creation of the automobile) and the overall package they provide is very refined, controlled and not to mention, luxurious/premium.

Coming from iPhone for the last 3.5 yrs, I think they are just sliding a bit as far as innovation is concerned. I think up until now they have always had that one or two things on their phones that set them apart. Siri, Facetime, great camera etc... I think the "it just works" slogan is a bit dated now as well.

I went to the S3 for a few reasons.
1. Bigger screen with a great display
2. Expandable space. I can get upt to 96 gig with sd card
3. Having extra batteries.(My 4S battery life sucked)
4. Being able to access directory and customize phone
5. So much software out there! I like the ability to choose.
6. Got bored with iOS.

Granted I think the next iPhone is nice but just not a big enough leap in the last 3 years.

The Mercedes analogy may hold some weight but I think the better one may be McDonald's. I am loyal to my iMac and iPad. I have AppleTV and all that too. It seems to be that for the most part the iPhone is the trendy phone to have. As for the McDonald's analogy it seems that they sell the most hamburgers but certainly don't make the best. I wouldn't measure how good the phone is just by the volume sold.

I took the blinders off and gave android a try and I like it for now. If Apple makes a more innovative phone I would certainly go back. But I'm not going to keep an iPhone just because its an iPhone.

Also I switched from ATT to VZW. The no data and voice would have been a deal breaker anyway on that phone.

It seems that they are waiting a little too long for some things on their phone. NFC will probably be on the next one, but they should have had LTE on last years!

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A lot of us either had or still have an apple device Brah. Just because we decide the s3 is better doesn't mean we should get exiled...I've got an ipad3 and gave up my 4s for the s3. So how do you like me now?

Me too :P

Mrg02d
Sep 17, 2012, 09:42 PM
If they made it 720p and allowed pretty love wallpapers and widgets ( neither have had any significant impact on my phones) then I'd go for it.

Sardonick007
Sep 17, 2012, 10:05 PM
There is a huge difference, whatever phone you chose after the 'war', it will be a good one. And if not you aren't stuck for 4 years with it. Whereas.......

Just saw your reply, and wholeheartedly agree. Nice one sir.

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On the PC side vendor included software is often referred to as bloat, and usually the first thing people do is to uninstall it. I wonder if that is possible in this case.

You can debloat an SIII with root, otherwise no. Only Nexus phones come with minimal bloatware. (that I'm aware of at this time)

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I think Apple are the ones who are scared given the lawsuits and them trying to block Samsung phones. I don't see Apple going after HTC or Motorola. Its Samsung who poses a huge threat and Apple knows it.

Apple didn't make the laws, they're just using them to their advantage. The same anyone would, and does, regardless of how much airtime they're given. Not to mention, $700 a share. I hardly think they're shaking. Samsung is also a partner, just because they're "at war" with the device segment means nothing. Besides, what better marketing campaign for both parties than to polarize the public into two distinct fanboy communities. They're probably trading stories while rolling around naked with jello and hundred dollar bills at a SamApple after party.

andrewpturko
Sep 17, 2012, 10:49 PM
This is either an insult too all Apple users, teachers of Apples iPhone classes or 2 year old's. I don't know which though....

How so?

andrewpturko
Sep 17, 2012, 11:06 PM
Is there an "off" switch for these pointless rants?
I hope MR makes tons of money on adds from all this nonsense whistling against the wind.

Yes, and your comment was beneficial in what way exactly?


...Whoops, look what happened - I just broke your metaphorical mirror that was just about to face mine.

In other words, this reply could start an infinite amount of replies, so we'll just stop now and hope to God that we don't end up in the Palace of Versailles.

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 17, 2012, 11:22 PM
It's not just confined to alternatives sub forum. Plus this thread was posted on the front page (click bait no doubt). Every thread these days seems to turn into an Apple/Samsung pissing match. No better these stupid sites like Engadget. There's plenty of places to go to fanboy/girl Samsung. Why is it necessary to also do it on an Apple fan site?

Well to play devil's advocate ...... The iPhone has been mentioned a lot on every single phone forum and blog on the Internet. And rightfully so since it's an amazing piece of hardware with a great OS.

Now that so many consider the top of the line Android phones to match the iPhone, expect to hear some Android phones being compared to everything under the sun just as the iPhone has been since 2007.

The GS3 is a amazing device and the best competition the iPhone has ever seen.
It's arguably equal to or better. So of course you are going to hear plenty about it.

Rogifan
Sep 17, 2012, 11:28 PM
Well to play devil's advocate ...... The iPhone has been mentioned a lot on every single phone forum and blog on the Internet. And rightfully so since it's an amazing piece of hardware with a great OS.

Now that so many consider the top of the line Android phones to match the iPhone, expect to hear some Android phones being compared to everything under the sun just as the iPhone has been since 2007.

The GS3 is a amazing device and the best competition the iPhone has ever seen.
It's arguably equal to or better. So of course you are going to hear plenty about it.

Yeah and if I chose to go to CNet, the Verge, Engadget, etc. then I expect hear about it all over their sites. It's not what I expect on an Apple centric site. I swear its like Samsung is astroturfing Apple sites or something. :D

Chris CA
Sep 18, 2012, 12:01 AM
#10: Sell IPhone5 at a reasonable price (< $500)
The iPhone 5 is $199, $299, $399 (on contract).
That is < $500.

JGIGS
Sep 18, 2012, 12:04 AM
Yeah and if I chose to go to CNet, the Verge, Engadget, etc. then I expect hear about it all over their sites. It's not what I expect on an Apple centric site. I swear its like Samsung is astroturfing Apple sites or something. :D

I don't get what the big deal is? If your on an apple site does that mean your not allowed to talk or use any other branded devices?

What's wrong with bringing up pros and cons of both apple and non apple device features?

As long as people aren't being jerks about there's nothing wrong with good banter.

Sorry but being and :apple: fan shouldn't = being an :apple: slave.

I'm not even going to get into how they ruined the nano by making it too big lol. All they had to do was add bluetooth to the curent design it would have been my crossfit timer, tunes and watch. Oh well I think Sony makes something like that lol.

JGIGS
Sep 18, 2012, 12:18 AM
That would be sweet if there was cross platform iMessage built right into texting.

I really believe that iOS 7 will be the start of a new looking iOS. There isn't a whole lot more they can do with ios without changing some things around so I think it will be gradual but we will start to see some new fresh features in ios. Like instead of five rows of icons, use one row for some type of widget.

It is sweet and I don't think I've ever evvvveerr said anything good about Rogers (my provider in Canada) but it exists for me anyway. They are still sms messages but I can sent them on my computer. :D Also has a combined inbox that you can use or not use. This was the one blackberry feature I really liked. no matter what kind of message you got on the bb you had a "messages" in box that would show you what was newest and unread.

I've read about some glitches in the review getting the iphone contacts roger one number app to work properly and apparently it can do some squirrely things to them as well so you might just want to create them manually on the rogers one site for any of you rogers users thinking of using it. Even if you still use imessage with your iphone contacts its good for using with none iphone users.

Oh and its still your regular cell phone number not a separate number like google voice.

Do any other providers have something like this?

https://www.rogersonenumber.ca

http://levynewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/rogers-one-number-review/

bunnicula
Sep 18, 2012, 12:32 AM
Clearly, Samsung is worried about iPhone 5.

I don't care what phone people use, if it works for them? Great.

I do find it irritating when Android lovers pull the "people who buy iPhones buy them because they're trendy" and "they aren't tech-savvy enough to use Android" crap.

Puh-leeze.

I've been iPhone all the way since June 2007, updated every year, and ran mine jailbroken back when JB wasn't the least complex task to perform.

I just like iOS. I like iPhone. It does what I need.

I've never been compelled to jump ship. iPhone isn't "trendy" to me. Nor is my phone a fashion statement. I don't walk around hoping someone will notice my phone. It's my phone.


I liked talking about the first iPhone because it was such a groundbreaking device. There were no subsidies. Not everyone felt like they could justify owning one. So, people were curious. My first iPhone got passed around like a baby at a family reunion. :D


By the 3G and carrier subsidies, I was ready for people to stop pawing my phone and get their own. ;)

The majority of the griping on here seems to come from people who adopted later and expected a magical world of radical, flashy changes every year. So, they get bored and hop back and forth.

If that's what they want, I see why they switch.

Lots of us have watched iPhone evolve for 5 years now. We see the advances.

Those who adopted early but have started trying out other phones in the past couple of years also see the evolution of the iPhone. They carry other phones, but they're not here attempting to pit one device against the other.

Samsung has its place.

Just not in my pocket.

WWCOVE
Sep 18, 2012, 12:38 AM
It appears Sam(sung) is singing the blues again... Too bad no one reads the newspaper anymore. And ads trying to put down the competition really remind folks of the political ads which quickly get turned off or tuned out.

So much for the good old days when people enjoyed the 'Sam playing it again' on piano...

So Samsung...Please DON'T play it again and please don'y sing (sung) it again Sam... You have 'Sung' it before and it did't work last time...:mad::rolleyes::D

Rogifan
Sep 18, 2012, 12:56 AM
I don't get what the big deal is? If your on an apple site does that mean your not allowed to talk or use any other branded devices?

What's wrong with bringing up pros and cons of both apple and non apple device features?

As long as people aren't being jerks about there's nothing wrong with good banter.

Sorry but being and :apple: fan shouldn't = being an :apple: slave.

I'm not even going to get into how they ruined the nano by making it too big lol. All they had to do was add bluetooth to the curent design it would have been my crossfit timer, tunes and watch. Oh well I think Sony makes something like that lol.
Its not good banter though. It's just fanboy trolling. Or Android fans calling you sheep who drink the kool-aid for buying a phone with a puny display and "crippled" operating system.

johnnyinternets
Sep 18, 2012, 03:30 AM
Its not good banter though. It's just fanboy trolling. Or Android fans calling you sheep who drink the kool-aid for buying a phone with a puny display and "crippled" operating system.

wow..... get a grip mate, please.

matttye
Sep 18, 2012, 05:21 AM
I do find it irritating when Android lovers pull the "people who buy iPhones buy them because they're trendy" and "they aren't tech-savvy enough to use Android" crap.

Puh-leeze.



Yeah that's stupid, it's stupid when iPhone users say Android users can't afford iPhones too. My S3 cost 500- the same price as a sim free iPhone.

Reminds me of a quote :

"Don't assume; it makes an ass out of u and me! "

horace528
Sep 18, 2012, 07:31 AM
I guess Samsung just made itself look stupid... :D:D

Calidude
Sep 18, 2012, 07:39 AM
Its not good banter though. It's just fanboy trolling. Or Android fans calling you sheep who drink the kool-aid for buying a phone with a puny display and "crippled" operating system.
No, its you coming into a subforum that is strictly talking about alternatives and then you telling us that we should shut up about them and go away...when you're the one that came to our separate area.

JGIGS
Sep 18, 2012, 08:49 AM
Clearly, Samsung is worried about iPhone 5.



Since its the number 1 selling smartphone handset I'm pretty sure every smartphone maker is concerned/worried about it.

Prallethrin
Sep 18, 2012, 09:14 AM
O.o You do realise that 48% of phones sold are now Samsung *facepalm*

So? Apple and the iPhone 5 are the ones currently in the limelight. Samsung? What Samsung? At the moment, they have completely fallen off people's radar and they are desperate to retake the limelight in an attempt to dampen Apple's sales and increase their own.


Oh and Putting an iPhone is there advert is COMPLETELY legal, actually it's stupid. Samsung are being arrogant and in doing so giving Apple free Advertising.

But you are right in that it's in a way free publicity for Apple's new phone - can't really attack your competitor without naming them; note that this is not legal in all countries hence in some "foreign" advertisements you see them mention "Brand X". Not that Apple really needs it. Does anyone NOT know that a new iPhone is coming out?

Elit3
Sep 18, 2012, 09:24 AM
So? Apple and the iPhone 5 are the ones currently in the limelight. Samsung? What Samsung? At the moment, they have completely fallen off people's radar and they are desperate to retake the limelight in an attempt to dampen Apple's sales and increase their own.



But you are right in that it's in a way free publicity for Apple's new phone - can't really attack your competitor without naming them; note that this is not legal in all countries hence in some "foreign" advertisements you see them mention "Brand X". Not that Apple really needs it. Does anyone NOT know that a new iPhone is coming out?
Oh okay :-P yeah but it is true everyone knows what the iPhone 5 is, but it does show arrogance and some people may be swayed away from sgs3 because of it. And yeah Apple is in the spotlight at the moment. I was wrong :-) I didn't know that in some countries it is illegal. 'No free advertising or we will sue!' Sorta weird though.

Rogifan
Sep 18, 2012, 09:32 AM
Your move Samsung. :D

iPhone 5 smashes Carphone Warehouse pre-order record (http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a406620/iphone-5-smashes-carphone-warehouse-pre-order-record.html)

Apple's latest iPhone has become the most pre-ordered handset in the history of UK retailer The Carphone Warehouse.

Yesterday, Apple announced that the iPhone 5 shifted 2 million units in just 24 hours after pre-orders began on September 14. This surpassed the previous record of 1m units set by its predecessor, the iPhone 4S.

The Carphone Warehouse has now announced that it too experienced record demand for the iPhone 5 after starting advanced orders last Friday.

The UK's largest independent mobile retailer said that it has taken four times as many pre-orders for the new Apple smartphone as any other handset since it started trading in 1989.

Graham Stapleton, the chief commercial officer at Carphone Warehouse, said that demand for the iPhone 5 has "smashed all previous handset launches" at the retailer.

He noted that the iPhone 5 launch last week also helped Carphone Warehouse online have its most successful ever week, including traffic increasing 63% on the previous seven days.

"Perhaps surprisingly, over half of the traffic on the evening of the announcement [on September 12] came via our mobile website with mobile data up nearly 200% week-on-week," he said.

JGIGS
Sep 18, 2012, 10:45 AM
[QUOTE=Rogifan;15729433]Your move Samsung. :D

iPhone 5 smashes Carphone Warehouse pre-order record (http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a406620/iphone-5-smashes-carphone-warehouse-pre-order-record.html)

QUOTE]

I think most of us who have decide to take a break from the iphone and try the SG3 aren't saying the iPhone won't sell and won't be dominant. Nor am I or most of us that want to try android and the SG3 calling the iphone a bad phone or platform or I wouldn't have bought every model other then the 4S and used an iPhone the past 7 years.

Its a great phone, I think its a bit more intuitive and easy to use than Android (In a good way!), has built a solid and simple more secure eco system (icloud itunes), really does everything that most people really require from a smart phone, no fregmentation, and without touching the 5 I'm still pretty certain it will have the most upscale and premium build quality.

Andriod gives you more customization which a lot of people don't care about but some people like it, its more open, can drag and drop files, can play more media types, has some cool features the current iphone/ios doesn't doesn't and has more brand and handset choices as well as screen size choices.

Both are very strong phones with differences that are going to appeal to different people. I think the iphone gets a slight edge in being better for the mass because of how intuitive its is. That helps it appeal to a larger group of users especially those in an apple ecosystem. That's not to say iphone users are dumb or too dumb to use Android they just don't need or desire all the features that Android has (really no one NEEDS them and lets be honest some are gimicky tilt to zoom anyone?) But some of us geeks have gotten bored of the iphone or just want to try something new so what's wrong giving Android and SG 3 a whirl?

Still a huge apple fan love my macbook.

Choice and competition are great for us boys and girls. It makes all the smartphone makers work harder and make better products for us consumers!:D

lazard
Sep 18, 2012, 11:14 AM
Clearly, Samsung is worried about iPhone 5.

I don't care what phone people use, if it works for them? Great.

I do find it irritating when Android lovers pull the "people who buy iPhones buy them because they're trendy" and "they aren't tech-savvy enough to use Android" crap.

Puh-leeze.

I've been iPhone all the way since June 2007, updated every year, and ran mine jailbroken back when JB wasn't the least complex task to perform.


While there are tech savvy people who use the iPhone, the majority are clueless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4

bunnicula
Sep 18, 2012, 12:43 PM
While there are tech savvy people who use the iPhone, the majority are clueless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4

But, I'd argue that it didn't start out that way.

And that people cannot dismiss the folks who know their way around a computer simply because the iPhone became so popular amongst those who have no idea, because really?

It says something about this phone... it appeals to a wide market.

That is a GOOD thing.

jstrahan73
Sep 18, 2012, 02:43 PM
checking email on my GS3 it has no clue what a tracking number. I touch on the number to track my iPhone5 and it sends me to phone instead of internet. how dumb

JGIGS
Sep 18, 2012, 03:20 PM
checking email on my GS3 it has no clue what a tracking number. I touch on the number to track my iPhone5 and it sends me to phone instead of internet. how dumb

My iphone and mac seem to assume the tracking number is US postal when its a Canada post number so I still have to copy and paste anyway. It isn't perfect either.

ReallyBigFeet
Sep 18, 2012, 03:26 PM
While there are tech savvy people who use the iPhone, the majority are clueless.



Important point.

I think the fan base might want to reconsider categorizing smartphone users as "clueless."

The reality is that most people use their phones for talking, texting and maybe the occasional web lookups via browser. So "clueless" is relative to context.

If smartphones are to be evaluated as laptop replacements...then perhaps the measurement for "best smartphone" would change. But until that's the use of smartphones by the masses....doesn't matter.

MACis122
Sep 18, 2012, 03:37 PM
checking email on my GS3 it has no clue what a tracking number. I touch on the number to track my iPhone5 and it sends me to phone instead of internet. how dumb

I believe it did before, I think that was in the Apple vs Samsung lawsuit

JGIGS
Sep 18, 2012, 03:49 PM
I believe it did before, I think that was in the Apple vs Samsung lawsuit

Wow you can patent a link that tracks a package? Geez patents really are out of control. I think I'm going to patent breathing and become a kajillionaire.

jstrahan73
Sep 18, 2012, 04:08 PM
Wow you can patent a link that tracks a package? Geez patents really are out of control. I think I'm going to patent breathing and become a kajillionaire.

yeah think I'll do one on thinking also so everyone better start paying up or I'm suing

cynics
Sep 18, 2012, 04:18 PM
My iPhone thinks every number on it is a phone number or calender date.....its just as bad as anything I've seen on android....

KnightWRX
Sep 18, 2012, 04:27 PM
Why is it necessary to also do it on an Apple fan site?

Macrumors is not an Apple fan site. It's an Apple rumors site. We're not all Apple fans. Get over it.

You want Apple Insider (http://www.appleinsider.com).

And again, you're in the Alternatives to iOS section. Here, you're the one that's basically "trolling" and "astroturfing" if you're just here to put down the discussion. This section is for Mac/iOS users that want to discuss the alternatives. It's not a "bash the competition" sub-forum. If you're suggesting that non-fans of Apple who do use Apple products should leave this site, then at least have the decency to practice what you preach :

Leave this section now and never come back.

jstrahan73
Sep 18, 2012, 04:27 PM
My iPhone thinks every number on it is a phone number or calender date.....its just as bad as anything I've seen on android....

just tried it on my wife's 4s. it loaded safari and went to FedEx. and when I had my i it always went to tracking info no matter who the carrier was

cynics
Sep 18, 2012, 04:50 PM
just tried it on my wife's 4s. it loaded safari and went to FedEx. and when I had my i it always went to tracking info no matter who the carrier was

It gets tracking numbers right (assuming there is no gap in the number) but I'm talking about random numbers in emails. I have a web based email via John Hopkins and its a constant annoyance, its the same way with UMMC. I notice so often because I'll tap to zoom and it will activate phone or calendar... Its like, no iPhone don't call 40-123....lol

jstrahan73
Sep 18, 2012, 05:25 PM
It gets tracking numbers right (assuming there is no gap in the number) but I'm talking about random numbers in emails. I have a web based email via John Hopkins and its a constant annoyance, its the same way with UMMC. I notice so often because I'll tap to zoom and it will activate phone or calendar... Its like, no iPhone don't call 40-123....lol

40-123...
hey that's my number. lol

sofianito
Sep 18, 2012, 06:48 PM
The iPhone 5 is $199, $299, $399 (on contract).
That is < $500.

2 years contract required:

Total IP5 cost = 24 * $80 + {$199, $299, $399} = {$2119, $2219, $2319}

TOTAL RIP-OFF... :eek:

jstrahan73
Sep 18, 2012, 07:34 PM
2 years contract required:

Total IP5 cost = 24 * $80 + {$199, $299, $399} = {$2119, $2219, $2319}

TOTAL RIP-OFF... :eek:

so what smartphone doesnt have 24*$80 on contract and if you get it off contract its $650, $750, $850 and you still got $80 per month unless you go prepaid but then service area is limited

cynics
Sep 18, 2012, 08:06 PM
2 years contract required:

Total IP5 cost = 24 * $80 + {$199, $299, $399} = {$2119, $2219, $2319}

TOTAL RIP-OFF... :eek:

Are you in the US? From what I've noticed (my employer buys my phones and contract) the price is the same regardless of contract or not, this is assuming you want a certain carrier....

For me, technically the iphone having a 40-50% profit margin makes it a "rip-off" to not buy under contract. Why pay 600-700+ for a 300-350 dollar phone when the carrier can absorb that cost?

This may vary outside the US though....not sure really..

Rogifan
Sep 18, 2012, 08:08 PM
Macrumors is not an Apple fan site. It's an Apple rumors site. We're not all Apple fans. Get over it.

You want Apple Insider (http://www.appleinsider.com).

And again, you're in the Alternatives to iOS section. Here, you're the one that's basically "trolling" and "astroturfing" if you're just here to put down the discussion. This section is for Mac/iOS users that want to discuss the alternatives. It's not a "bash the competition" sub-forum. If you're suggesting that non-fans of Apple who do use Apple products should leave this site, then at least have the decency to practice what you preach :

Leave this section now and never come back.
No it's not a bash the competition sub-forum. It's a bash Apple sub forum on an Apple fan site. :rolleyes:

sofianito
Sep 18, 2012, 08:17 PM
Are you in the US? From what I've noticed (my employer buys my phones and contract) the price is the same regardless of contract or not, this is assuming you want a certain carrier....

For me, technically the iphone having a 40-50% profit margin makes it a "rip-off" to not buy under contract. Why pay 600-700+ for a 300-350 dollar phone when the carrier can absorb that cost?

This may vary outside the US though....not sure really..

I live in spain, and I can tell you things are worse here in all aspects... :D. Network carriers in spain do not subsidy iphone. They sell it to you at the price of a free-unlocked one, but it is locked and they require you a 1 year permanent contract in order to provide you the unlocking code... :rolleyes:

cynics
Sep 18, 2012, 08:18 PM
No it's not a bash the competition sub-forum. It's a bash Apple sub forum on an Apple fan site. :rolleyes:

Do you think there would be more or less bashing if these topics or kept PURELY to alternatives to iOS? Essentially there would be no arguments or bashing in this section if everyone kept iOS out of it. And to be less abstract iOS is only really brought up by the iOS only members.

I can appreciate both. I enjoy both. I dont see the problem with either. But if I mention a benefit of Android over iOS here people jump down my throat. The same applies for Android forums, if someone goes on about something dumb and I correct them all of a sudden I'm a apple fanboy....

Personally I like both and I think my problem is I cant understand why someone would actually hate the opposing OS. That is almost as foreign to me as racism, you dont like it because its.....whaaaaa?

KnightWRX
Sep 19, 2012, 03:57 AM
No it's not a bash the competition sub-forum. It's a bash Apple sub forum on an Apple fan site. :rolleyes:

Why can't you accept that you're wrong ?

- This section is not a "bash Apple sub forum". Mac users use alternatives to iOS. iOS users use iOS alternatives too. This is a place to discuss them and in fact, with other Mac/iOS user, maybe to get tips on integration, etc..

- This is not an Apple fan site. Get that out of your head. CultofMac, Apple Insider, those are Apple fan sites. Macrumors is not.

I don't know how this can be more clear. Now stop posting here just to flame and get responses. That's poor conduct. If you don't like this sub-forum, leave it. If you can't discuss the topics here without resorting to useless Apple cheerleading and bashing the people that are trying to hold conversations about the topics of Alternatives to iOS, leave the sub-forum. If you can't tolerate that not everyone is a big Apple fan, go to another site where only big Apple fans hang out.

sam.dg
Sep 19, 2012, 04:17 AM
I'm under this impression that most of the iphone buyers buy iPhone not because they find it the better smartphone for their use, but because the brand Apple and the product iPhone sounds smarter than the others!

I might be wrong, of course! :p

bobob
Sep 19, 2012, 06:31 AM
2 years contract required:

Total IP5 cost = 24 * $80 + {$199, $299, $399} = {$2119, $2219, $2319}

TOTAL RIP-OFF... :eek:

Without the contract an unlocked Samsung S3 only costs $50 less - and that's for a 6 month old phone.

JGIGS
Sep 19, 2012, 08:31 AM
Without the contract an unlocked Samsung S3 only costs $50 less - and that's for a 6 month old phone.

In Canada the cost difference off ontract is $100. 16gb iphone 5 $699 vs 16 gb SG3 $600. The big difference starts to come in when you want more storage. You can buy a $20 32 GB micro SD card and have 48 gigs on an SG3 for 620 vs $799 (-$180) and 16 extra gig. Then if you want at least 64 gb it goes to 899 - 650 (-250) + an extra 16GB.

Expandable memory is handy!

yeah
Sep 20, 2012, 06:34 PM
That Samsung list is not long enough. :p

IP5 missing ALL of following:

HARDWARE
- bigger 4.8in + AMOLED screen
- storage upto 96GB (32Gb + 64Gb external)
- removable battery
- better 2MP front camera + more functional camera app
- USB To Go (direct connect to portable drive, keyboard, game controller, usb-hub etc)
- unrestricted Bluetooth
- Wifi-Direct
- DLNA / Allshare / AllCast
- NFC - direct share/beam, automate phone tasks with TecTiles/tags, NFC payment
- HDMI out (video and UI)
- standard USB-port (no need for proprietary and expensive adapters/cables)

PHONE
- One touch dial/sms (via desktop shortcuts) + Speed dial with phone keypad
- Picture contact/log (incl. grid view) and unlimited call log
- contact sync/integration with fb,tw,skype,g+ etc
- 3G-standard video call
- Motion: Flip to silent, Pick-to-call, Touch for missed call/sms, Tilt to zoom, double-tap to scroll
- multi-purpose LED indicator
- Smart Stay (keep screen on via face detection)
- Built-in call-blocker (to keep away unwanted calls)
- Unrestricted internal storage access via USB (or other connectivity methods)
- File-system
- Full email attachment support

UI
- various desktop launcher UI to cater to any taste
- Widgets (one-glance for essential info)
- Live Wallpaper (aesthetic)
- Lock Screen direct launch
- Quick Toggles in Notification
- Full Multi-Tasking
- Back button for easier back navigation (+ reduces screen space wastage)
- Replaceable keyboard (swype/T9/variants etc)
- Non-centralized settings :p
- Various media format support (avi, divx, mkv etc) - no need for tedious itunes conversion
- Popup-Play
- Web-broswer text reflow (+Flash support)
- UI Font Type/Size selection

APPS (not possible for IOS due to limitations/restrictions)
- Side-loading of apps + browser-based app installation
- Better Google-based services/apps
- Free 50GB drop-box storage
- Plug-and-Play (seamlessly replace built-in apps with 3rd party)
- Intents (manually choose which installed app to launch based on content-type)
- Automation-type apps e.g.
o automaticly switch phone settings (vol, bt, wifi etc) based on events/states/gps/nfc
o phone call recording
o NFC tasks (tectiles) - e.g. tap to call/sms directly (or change phone settings)
o schedule auto send sms/email based on events (birthday, meeting reminders etc)
o auto check-in, auto upload photos/info
o etc etc

Wow I just noticed something, Die-hard Android fanboys/girls really have the time to bash Apple and get nothing out of it :rolleyes:

monkeylui
Sep 20, 2012, 06:41 PM
In Canada the cost difference off ontract is $100. 16gb iphone 5 $699 vs 16 gb SG3 $600. The big difference starts to come in when you want more storage. You can buy a $20 32 GB micro SD card and have 48 gigs on an SG3 for 620 vs $799 (-$180) and 16 extra gig. Then if you want at least 64 gb it goes to 899 - 650 (-250) + an extra 16GB.

Expandable memory is handy!

You can barely do anything with that memory card though. I have the S3 and the stupid phone always wants to install to the internal memory. I'd rather just have al of the memory on board like I had with my iPhone 4S. Everything works smoothly that way.

flameproof
Sep 21, 2012, 12:54 AM
I have a new ad suggestion for Samsung:

lazard
Sep 21, 2012, 12:57 AM
I have a new ad suggestion for Samsung:

or better yet....Apple Maps vs. Google Maps.

flameproof
Sep 21, 2012, 01:02 AM
or better yet....Apple Maps vs. Google Maps.

I presume that iOS 6 will give a big boost - to Android and WP8. MS is unlucky that it ain't ready for another month.

Chris CA
Sep 22, 2012, 10:42 AM
2 years contract required:

Total IP5 cost = $199, $299, $399
Fixed that for you.
The iPhone costs as above.
In order to use the cell phone on a cell network you need to pay for service from a cell provider.

dudemac
Sep 27, 2012, 03:16 PM
[QUOTE=Dwalls90;15711959]So your hiccup with iCloud is more or less that you don't like how it's presented? Fine, we are all entitled to our personal preference over how our technology LOOKS. If you like the design of Android, then EXCELLENT, use Android ... why are you on these forums again? I'm not running around the Android forums talking about how ugly it is.

I have never had any problems with iCloud syncing. Google sync on the other hand, couldn't even keep my contact pictures synced properly. Not to mention it would shrink or delete the contact photos to my Android ICS phone. :rolleyes:

Pretty basic features that Google has issues with, for contacts alone:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3888102?start=0&tstart=0

http://blog.oxplot.com/2012/06/syncing-high-resolution-contact-photos.html



Apparently you did not really understand my post. And granted I was a little PO'd when I wrote it.
Functional reduction. Sync services gone (key chain, mail rules, contacts for non "i" devices, book marks), Gallery gone (photo stream not a good replacement), local calendar on anything but 10.6+ or windows vista+ and iphone of coarse. Contacts same as calendars. iDisk storage. I don't even know how to describe my disappointment that they could not merge the data/move data to icloud disk. Although after seeing how this works, and seeing zero usable web interface I am not surprised. Looks would make no difference if it didn't make it less usable.

This along with all the superfluous crap just makes everything that much worse.
Ask yourself how to manage icloud without lion or mountain lion machines. It's not the integration that irritates me. But the expectation is that things should just work and then they don't. Abandoning open standards for no reason is just wrong. Calendars should just work. Mail should just work. I should not have to try and search web forums to try and guess what new server apple is using just so I can use a desktop client in snow-leopard. I do all my production work on a machine that can't be upgraded. So it goes I suppose.

Why am I on here? I don't know why are any of us on here. I have about 6 sites I read daily this is one. I keep up on most things apple and have for a long time. I have spent 1000's of hours helping people with problems on the apple forums. Over the last couple of years I typically am more an observer as my work is more demanding as of late. I only posted because my frustration with icloud has pushed me over the edge. Apple could fix most problem by just providing basic calendar, contact, and mail support in snow-leopard. They have chosen not too. And this feels a lot like the way MS used to treat people. As for android or ios, I use both. Right now i prefer Android to iOS just on a functional level, overall they are both great.

FrankieUK
Sep 28, 2012, 09:54 AM
Truth hurts, also don't forget the S3 doesn't have faults such as maps glitch, purple camera etc etc.

bunnicula
Sep 28, 2012, 10:08 AM
Truth hurts, also don't forget the S3 doesn't have faults such as maps glitch, purple camera etc etc.

Oh... it has faults. LOL.

Just not the ones you mentioned.

spanading
Oct 2, 2012, 04:04 PM
Sad!

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i have a new ad suggestion for samsung:

q.e.d.

norsemen
Oct 3, 2012, 07:08 AM
I'd prefer the weight of plastic versus the weight of aluminum any day.

I sure you are very proud of that quote today

AzN1337c0d3r
Oct 5, 2012, 03:01 PM
I sure you are very proud of that quote today

And why shouldn't I be?

If you scale down the Galaxy S3 weight with respect to the iPhone 5's tiny-ass screen dimensions, the Galaxy S3 would weigh significantly less.