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DanteMann
Sep 16, 2012, 11:26 PM
So before everyone goes off on scores, I think it's safe to say nobody with half a brain truly believes they mean squat in real life operations. Especially when your dealing with two very different OSs. But for those that want the truth, here it is. iPhone 5 running the latest OS and GS3 running it's latest OS. As you all like to say, it's all about the software. ;)



3bs
Sep 16, 2012, 11:32 PM
I actually got 1841 on my international GS3 running CM9 ICS earlier today.

zbarvian
Sep 16, 2012, 11:40 PM
The fact that a lowly 1 GHz dual-core chip is in the same league as a top of the line 1.4 GHz quad-core chip should tell you something about which software is better tuned and performance-optimized.

Vegastouch
Sep 16, 2012, 11:45 PM
So before everyone goes off on scores, I think it's safe to say nobody with half a brain truly believes they mean squat in real life operations. Especially when your dealing with two very different OSs. But for those that want the truth, here it is. iPhone 5 running the latest OS and GS3 running it's latest OS. As you all like to say, it's all about the software. ;)

Your right. I dont even know what those scores are for but allow me to say...who cares!

DanteMann
Sep 16, 2012, 11:49 PM
The fact that a lowly 1 GHz dual-core chip is in the same league as a top of the line 1.4 GHz quad-core chip should tell you something about which software is better tuned and performance-optimized.

Well here's another one still running ICS and a dual core cpu. Still think these benchmarks mean anything? They don't. Just enjoy your phone of choice I say. They all run just fine and fast enough for everyone. Yes it's that simple.

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=358085&d=1347857011

3bs
Sep 16, 2012, 11:52 PM
Well here's another one still running ICS and a dual core cpu. Still think these benchmarks mean anything? They don't. Just enjoy your phone of choice I say. They all run just fine and fast enough for everyone. Yes it's that simple.

Image (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=358085&d=1347857011)

2283 on ICS but quad core. http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1034669

I ran it a couple more times and it's all over the place ranging from 1200-1900 on mine.

Mr. Retrofire
Sep 17, 2012, 12:10 AM
The fact that a lowly 1 GHz dual-core chip is in the same league as a top of the line 1.4 GHz quad-core chip should tell you something about which software is better tuned and performance-optimized.
Geekbench is the software. So if something in this test is not optimized for Android, then it is Geekbench. Btw, why should we trust Geekbench? Have they some official certification?

Here is a list of official, verified benchmarks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benchmark_(computing)#Industry_standard_.28audited_and_verifiable.29

Vegastouch
Sep 17, 2012, 12:20 AM
Geekbench is the software. So if something in this test is not optimized for Android, then it is Geekbench. Btw, why should we trust Geekbench? Have they some official certification?

Here is a list of official, verified benchmarks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benchmark_(computing)#Industry_standard_.28audited_and_verifiable.29

Well as i said, i dont know what those scores mean as far as what is being tested faster and dont care. But Wikipedia isnt officially anything. It is a place where anybody can go and edit things by just signing up.

So verified by WHO is the question there. For all we know, you posted those. Or whoever did doesnt know about Geekbench.

IMO its all irrelevant anyways. The phones are fast and thats all you need to know.

0m3ga
Sep 17, 2012, 04:33 PM
I will be comparing a new S3 and iPhone 5, both on AT@T this weekend (or when I get mine from Apple). Geek bench scores are notoriously unreliable. They can read all over the place depending on what you have running on your phone. I'll wait for Anantech and my own results to see which phone is faster and smoother. Until we get real production phones, it's all speculation.

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 17, 2012, 04:41 PM
This will be the actual difference.




http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RVLfSMIB7K0/SRCffiNdQ3I/AAAAAAAAMFk/upk9j6CJIeU/s400/001PhotoFinish.jpg

Mrg02d
Sep 17, 2012, 05:19 PM
I will be comparing a new S3 and iPhone 5, both on AT@T this weekend (or when I get mine from Apple). Geek bench scores are notoriously unreliable. They can read all over the place depending on what you have running on your phone. I'll wait for Anantech and my own results to see which phone is faster and smoother. Until we get real production phones, it's all speculation.

The gs3 will likely be running ICS. You need to wait to see one run JB. So much of a difference.

0m3ga
Sep 18, 2012, 12:23 AM
The gs3 will likely be running ICS. You need to wait to see one run JB. So much of a difference.

Waiting for an official rom from Samsung and approved by AT&T? I think the iphone 6 might be out before that happens. And using a non standard rom is not legal in my book. For me it is gonna be stock vs stock OS running identical apps like twitter. It will be interesting to see which is faster in real life or if it is close (which is what I expect)

Mrg02d
Sep 18, 2012, 09:25 AM
Waiting for an official rom from Samsung and approved by AT&T? I think the iphone 6 might be out before that happens. And using a non standard rom is not legal in my book. For me it is gonna be stock vs stock OS running identical apps like twitter. It will be interesting to see which is faster in real life or if it is close (which is what I expect)

So wait for an official update...:rolleyes:

People still show much higher scores with ICS.

digital.l0gic
Sep 19, 2012, 06:32 PM
Well here's another one still running ICS and a dual core cpu. Still think these benchmarks mean anything? They don't. Just enjoy your phone of choice I say. They all run just fine and fast enough for everyone. Yes it's that simple.

Image (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=358085&d=1347857011)

Wow this is amazing!

The results for Iphone5 ranges from 979-1645

However a Dual Core Samsung glaxy s3 gets 1918!!
This is conslusive proof that Samsung did an awesome job with the S3.

It's either that OR Apple's new A6 is not as groundbreaking as it was claimed to be.


The moment I saw the iphone 5 geekbench results and the supposedly lower GS3 score I knew it was BS, but waited till we had factual evidence to support it. Thank you :)

Oh and the Quad core GS3 even gets above 2000 easy.

zbarvian
Sep 19, 2012, 06:48 PM
Wow this is amazing!

The results for Iphone5 ranges from 979-1645

However a Dual Core Samsung glaxy s3 gets 1918!!
This is conslusive proof that Samsung did an awesome job with the S3.

It's either that OR Apple's new A6 is not as groundbreaking as it was claimed to be.


The moment I saw the iphone 5 geekbench results and the supposedly lower GS3 score I knew it was BS, but waited till we had factual evidence to support it. Thank you :)

Oh and the Quad core GS3 even gets above 2000 easy.

The average iPhone score was 1648. Many tests yield a higher results, many lower. There is huge variation in all devices, but the iPhone never scored a 979. The A6 is FAST, like insanely fast.

digital.l0gic
Sep 19, 2012, 07:00 PM
The average iPhone score was 1648. Many tests yield a higher results, many lower. There is huge variation in all devices, but the iPhone never scored a 979. The A6 is FAST, like insanely fast.

No

I checked the Geekbecnh site for Iphone5 scores and the higest it EVER got was 1645. And yes..most of its scores do range in/around 1600 but there was no instance of it getting more than 1645.

The A6 is fast all right,And yes there is variance in All devices, but the scores for the iphone 5 top out at 1645. It is still considerably slower than the Dual Core in GS3 as evidenced by geekbench data(Anyone can verify it if they doubt this claim)

http://s10.postimage.org/k4zcj9k5k/Capture.jpg

cynics
Sep 19, 2012, 07:25 PM
Meh the gs3 is a faster phone in test. I'm more worried about real world performance and I think both phones are up to par for my standards.

Btw what did the s2 and 4s get. That should be a good comparison/debunking tool.

zbarvian
Sep 19, 2012, 08:36 PM
No

I checked the Geekbecnh site for Iphone5 scores and the higest it EVER got was 1645. And yes..most of its scores do range in/around 1600 but there was no instance of it getting more than 1645.

The A6 is fast all right,And yes there is variance in All devices, but the scores for the iphone 5 top out at 1645. It is still considerably slower than the Dual Core in GS3 as evidenced by geekbench data(Anyone can verify it if they doubt this claim)

Image (http://s10.postimage.org/k4zcj9k5k/Capture.jpg)

The GS3 is 1.5 GHz, if the A6 was clocked that high it would presumably blow every other chipset away. The fact that it is competing with Krait at a 1 GHz clock speed really testifies to the superiority of the architecture/software combo.

digital.l0gic
Sep 19, 2012, 08:44 PM
Meh the gs3 is a faster phone in test. I'm more worried about real world performance and I think both phones are up to par for my standards.

Btw what did the s2 and 4s get. That should be a good comparison/debunking tool.

The 4s(OCT 2011) averages at around 630 ish
While the older GS2(Feb 2011) averages around 1100 !

http://s12.postimage.org/7orz130mk/image.jpg

http://s18.postimage.org/ptpg8z63c/gs2.jpg

digital.l0gic
Sep 19, 2012, 08:58 PM
The GS3 is 1.5 GHz, if the A6 was clocked that high it would presumably blow every other chipset away. The fact that it is competing with Krait at a 1 GHz clock speed really testifies to the superiority of the architecture/software combo.

But it was not clocked at that speed.
Over clocking does not give linear performance increases(law of diminishing returns kicks in) in processor performance.

Worse yet, it would result in abysmal battery life.

The Iphone 4S battery life is nothing to write home about and the current iPhone5's battery life claims are actually worse than that of the GS3.

http://cdn.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/9d720f1403ad9a5f2d8f64b6a67884de-575x383.jpg

For GS3(claimed)
Talk Time 22 hours
Maximum Standby Time 800 hours

Samsung Galaxy S3 Battery Power Test
http://youtu.be/P62628a76Gc

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s3-1078667/review?artc_pg=14


Real world testing is yet to be done on the iphone5 battery claims, but my bet is on the GS3. If Apple clocked the A6 higher, the battery life would be even worse than that of the 4s.

zbarvian
Sep 19, 2012, 09:09 PM
But it was not clocked at that speed.
Over clocking does not give linear performance increases(law of diminishing returns kicks in) in processor performance.

Worse yet, it would result in abysmal battery life.

The Iphone 4S battery life is nothing to write home about and the current iPhone5's battery life claims are actually worse than that of the GS3.

Image (http://cdn.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/9d720f1403ad9a5f2d8f64b6a67884de-575x383.jpg)

For GS3(claimed)
Talk Time 22 hours
Maximum Standby Time 800 hours

Samsung Galaxy S3 Battery Power Test
http://youtu.be/P62628a76Gc

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s3-1078667/review?artc_pg=14


Real world testing is yet to be done on the iphone5 battery claims, but my bet is on the GS3. If Apple clocked the A6 higher, the battery life would be even worse than that of the 4s.

Engadget procured astounding battery results for the 5, just 10 minutes shy of the Razr Maxx's runtime. And the battery is relatively puny (1440 mAH compared to 2100 mAH of GS3). I imagine the Galaxy S3 battery claims are very exaggerated, as nobody has reported those sort of results.

Face it, the iPhone 5 really is a marvel of engineering.

cotak
Sep 19, 2012, 09:35 PM
Engadget procured astounding battery results for the 5, just 10 minutes shy of the Razr Maxx's runtime. And the battery is relatively puny (1440 mAH compared to 2100 mAH of GS3). I imagine the Galaxy S3 battery claims are very exaggerated, as nobody has reported those sort of results.

Face it, the iPhone 5 really is a marvel of engineering.

You life isn't better because the iphone 5 is good. Let it go, you spend so much time trolling on every thread that you view is anti iphone.

Vegastouch
Sep 19, 2012, 09:39 PM
Engadget procured astounding battery results for the 5, just 10 minutes shy of the Razr Maxx's runtime. And the battery is relatively puny (1440 mAH compared to 2100 mAH of GS3). I imagine the Galaxy S3 battery claims are very exaggerated, as nobody has reported those sort of results.

Face it, the iPhone 5 really is a marvel of engineering.

If you say so :rolleyes:

Look, nobody really cares that the iP5 has a 1440 mAh battery and the GS3 has a 2100 mAh. All they care about is how long it lasts and the GS3 is powering a much bigger screen while lasting longer. The iP5 is still tiny compared to the GS3.

The iP5 is a nice phone and it is fast. Who really cares which one loads up a second or two faster? I care more about what my GS3 can do that the iP5 cant and is why i switched to Android in the first place.
Most people in this forum care more about the Apple logo on the back anyways.

3bs
Sep 19, 2012, 09:46 PM
If you say so :rolleyes:

Look, nobody really cares that the iP5 has a 1440 mAh battery and the GS3 has a 2100 mAh. All they care about is how long it lasts and the GS3 is powering a much bigger screen while lasting longer. The iP5 is still tiny compared to the GS3.

The iP5 is a nice phone and it is fast. Who really cares which one loads up a second or two faster? I care more about what my GS3 can do that the iP5 cant and is why i switched to Android in the first place.
Most people in this forum care more about the Apple logo on the back anyways.

You can have a look at this comparison of the S3 vs One X batteries just to give you perspective http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p8.php

zbarvian
Sep 19, 2012, 09:46 PM
If you say so :rolleyes:

Look, nobody really cares that the iP5 has a 1440 mAh battery and the GS3 has a 2100 mAh. All they care about is how long it lasts and the GS3 is powering a much bigger screen while lasting longer. The iP5 is still tiny compared to the GS3.

The iP5 is a nice phone and it is fast. Who really cares which one loads up a second or two faster? I care more about what my GS3 can do that the iP5 cant and is why i switched to Android in the first place.
Most people in this forum care more about the Apple logo on the back anyways.

We should reserve judgment about battery life until more scientific benchmarks become available. I imagine the Verge review will be more comprehensive in that regard. And I just get irritated by threads like this; the iPhone is clearly an incredible feat of engineering and expertise.

Mac.World
Sep 19, 2012, 09:55 PM
Engadget procured astounding battery results for the 5, just 10 minutes shy of the Razr Maxx's runtime. And the battery is relatively puny (1440 mAH compared to 2100 mAH of GS3). I imagine the Galaxy S3 battery claims are very exaggerated, as nobody has reported those sort of results.

Face it, the iPhone 5 really is a marvel of engineering.

The chip is, the rest of the phone is lacking in every department. And I'll believe battery life and benchmark scores when someone neutral, and not paid by one company or another to 'alter data favorably', puts out results.

All this nonsense about Geekbench, sunspider, alleged battery life of the iphone 5 is all crap. I know what a real world S3 provides in battery life (on 4g, not 3g) and it beats the iphone 4 by a mile. Manufacturer lab tests under ideal conditions and the real world are two different things. While I tend to believe Apple's numbers are probably closer to real world, than say Samsung's, they still won't be anywhere close to realworld use, especially when using LTE. Standby for massive complaints about battery life, black iphones chipping and scuffing on the edges, screen resolution issues and light bleed problems.

zbarvian
Sep 19, 2012, 10:10 PM
The chip is, the rest of the phone is lacking in every department. And I'll believe battery life and benchmark scores when someone neutral, and not paid by one company or another to 'alter data favorably', puts out results.

All this nonsense about Geekbench, sunspider, alleged battery life of the iphone 5 is all crap. I know what a real world S3 provides in battery life (on 4g, not 3g) and it beats the iphone 4 by a mile. Manufacturer lab tests under ideal conditions and the real world are two different things. While I tend to believe Apple's numbers are probably closer to real world, than say Samsung's, they still won't be anywhere close to realworld use, especially when using LTE. Standby for massive complaints about battery life, black iphones chipping and scuffing on the edges, screen resolution issues and light bleed problems.

All the reviews have indicated that the iPhone 5 has significantly better battery life than the 4S. And the iPhone 5 is the best all around smartphone you can buy, from a pure hardware perspective. It has the best build quality, (subjectively) good design and materials, is super thin, light, has one of the best cameras, (reportedly) good battery life, high quality display, comes in high storage capacities, equipped with good cellular and wireless connectivity, with a fast chipset, and unparalleled Apple support. No other phone on the market can check off all of those boxes. It isn't the best at some things, but it is pretty damn good at everything.

digital.l0gic
Sep 19, 2012, 10:52 PM
Engadget procured astounding battery results for the 5, just 10 minutes shy of the Razr Maxx's runtime. And the battery is relatively puny (1440 mAH compared to 2100 mAH of GS3). I imagine the Galaxy S3 battery claims are very exaggerated, as nobody has reported those sort of results.

Face it, the iPhone 5 really is a marvel of engineering.

I'm sorry, Engadget is far from a respected source when it comes to testing hardware. I will wait for Anandtech's review.

But as others have mentioned, you are comparing Apples to oranges..I mean GS3s. The GS3 has a much larger screen and higher definition display...it also has NFC and other features.Its a known fact that the screen is the biggest cause for battery drain. With a tiny 4.0 inch screen with fewer pixels to push, the Iphone does not have to work hard to keep the drain in check compared to GS3.

I for one will be glad with the 10+ hours of Full HD video playback the GS3 offers. And you know whats the most amazing thing about it? If the battery runs out it takes me only a few seconds to plop a new one in and Bang!...100% power. Good luck with all the massive bricks that some people attach to their Iphones in order to provide more juice.

http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-s-iii/compare/gsmarena_002.jpg

Btw speaking about Engineering...you know whats good Engineering? making allowances for mistakes/faults that can happen in daily use.

The GS3(and most Android phones) shine in this regard.

They have replaceable battery. From an Engineering point of view this is a huge plus. Having the ability to instantly get 100% power(by swapping a battery in) is Excellent Engineering!.

The sames goes for Expandable storage. Another great Engineering example.

Polycarbonate instead of glass back? Excellent Engineering decision. Having Glass back on the 4s was the single most stupidest Engineering decision I've seen from a major manufacturer in recent times. Form over function is NOT engineering :)


You know what I have realized after reading the posts of Iphone users? You guys confuse Engineering with Aesthetics. They are entirely different things.


A glass bottle would have good Aesthetics but Crappy Engineering if it was to be used daily. A plastic bottle; on the other hand is an excellent Engineering choice for such use.

So yeah..please dont conflate Aesthetics with Engineering.

Oh and while you are at it, please enjoy the black bars while watching streaming video (Naturally you would be only able to watch 480p video(even if you have a higher pixel width as there is no 640p video resolution for streaming). While the Galaxy s3 folks will enjoy full 720p HD. 480p is so 2009.



All the reviews have indicated that the iPhone 5 has significantly better battery life than the 4S. And the iPhone 5 is the best all around smartphone you can buy, from a pure hardware perspective. It has the best build quality, (subjectively) good design and materials, is super thin, light, has one of the best cameras, (reportedly) good battery life, high quality display, comes in high storage capacities, equipped with good cellular and wireless connectivity, with a fast chipset, and unparalleled Apple support. No other phone on the market can check off all of those boxes. It isn't the best at some things, but it is pretty damn good at everything.

High Quality Display?
High Storage capacities?
Equipped with Good Cellular..? (Hint: Try searching for a restaurant on yelp while talking on the phone)


No other phone on the market can check off all of those boxes
:rolleyes:

zbarvian
Sep 19, 2012, 11:52 PM
I'm sorry, Engadget is far from a respected source when it comes to testing hardware. I will wait for Anandtech's review.

But as others have mentioned, you are comparing Apples to oranges..I mean GS3s. The GS3 has a much larger screen and higher definition display...it also has NFC and other features.Its a known fact that the screen is the biggest cause for battery drain. With a tiny 4.0 inch screen with fewer pixels to push, the Iphone does not have to work hard to keep the drain in check compared to GS3.

I for one will be glad with the 10+ hours of Full HD video playback the GS3 offers. And you know whats the most amazing thing about it? If the battery runs out it takes me only a few seconds to plop a new one in and Bang!...100% power. Good luck with all the massive bricks that some people attach to their Iphones in order to provide more juice.

Image (http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-s-iii/compare/gsmarena_002.jpg)

Btw speaking about Engineering...you know whats good Engineering? making allowances for mistakes/faults that can happen in daily use.

The GS3(and most Android phones) shine in this regard.

They have replaceable battery. From an Engineering point of view this is a huge plus. Having the ability to instantly get 100% power(by swapping a battery in) is Excellent Engineering!.

The sames goes for Expandable storage. Another great Engineering example.

Polycarbonate instead of glass back? Excellent Engineering decision. Having Glass back on the 4s was the single most stupidest Engineering decision I've seen from a major manufacturer in recent times. Form over function is NOT engineering :)


You know what I have realized after reading the posts of Iphone users? You guys confuse Engineering with Aesthetics. They are entirely different things.


A glass bottle would have good Aesthetics but Crappy Engineering if it was to be used daily. A plastic bottle; on the other hand is an excellent Engineering choice for such use.

So yeah..please dont conflate Aesthetics with Engineering.

Oh and while you are at it, please enjoy the black bars while watching streaming video (Naturally you would be only able to watch 480p video(even if you have a higher pixel width as there is no 640p video resolution for streaming). While the Galaxy s3 folks will enjoy full 720p HD. 480p is so 2009.





High Quality Display?
High Storage capacities?
Equipped with Good Cellular..? (Hint: Try searching for a restaurant on yelp while talking on the phone)


No other phone on the market can check off all of those boxes
:rolleyes:

The excuses Android fans are able to produce still amazes me. Like a preference for glossy plastic over high-precision, machined aluminum. And how 5 hours of web browsing time is a feature worth touting. That's quite horrid. I can admit to the perks of Android, but you guys will go to preposterous lengths to reject the iPhone.

As for those last three. The display uses next-generation technology (in-cell touch) and will display colors far more accurately. Your GS3 panel is marred by grossly over saturated colors and the Pentile subpixel configuration. 64 GB of storage on a phone is high. And I'm on AT&T, so I'll be doing voice and data simultaneously, thanks.

lazard
Sep 19, 2012, 11:56 PM
And I'm on AT&T, so I'll be doing voice and data simultaneously, thanks.

only 3G data while doing voice.

zbarvian
Sep 20, 2012, 06:35 AM
only 3G data while doing voice.

Is that really supposed to be a flaw? I'm on the phone for about 10 minutes a day and have NEVER tried to browse the Internet or use data while I'm on a call.

Mrg02d
Sep 21, 2012, 12:54 PM
The excuses Android fans are able to produce still amazes me. Like a preference for glossy plastic over high-precision, machined aluminum. And how 5 hours of web browsing time is a feature worth touting. That's quite horrid. I can admit to the perks of Android, but you guys will go to preposterous lengths to reject the iPhone.

As for those last three. The display uses next-generation technology (in-cell touch) and will display colors far more accurately. Your GS3 panel is marred by grossly over saturated colors and the Pentile subpixel configuration. 64 GB of storage on a phone is high. And I'm on AT&T, so I'll be doing voice and data simultaneously, thanks.

No live wallpaper, no widgets. Whats the use of a nice screen if there isnt anything to show it off? iOS is boring looking. It may work nice for your needs, but it looks boring.:rolleyes:

My GS3 runs great with both LWP and widgets.

3bs
Sep 21, 2012, 01:00 PM
No live wallpaper, no widgets. Whats the use of a nice screen if there isnt anything to show it off? iOS is boring looking. It may work nice for your needs, but it looks boring.:rolleyes:

My GS3 runs great with both LWP and widgets.

The home screen isn't the only thing you see on your phones screen you know :p but yeah iOS is very very boring

I don't know much about screen technology and specs but I love the screen on my GS3 be it over saturated or having less pixels than the iPhone.

Jb07
Sep 21, 2012, 02:42 PM
Like a preference for glossy plastic over high-precision, machined aluminum.

As for those last three. The display uses next-generation technology (in-cell touch) and will display colors far more accurately. Your GS3 panel is marred by grossly over saturated colors and the Pentile subpixel configuration. 64 GB of storage on a phone is high. And I'm on AT&T, so I'll be doing voice and data simultaneously, thanks.

You sound like an Apple Advertisement. :apple:

Mac.World
Sep 21, 2012, 04:21 PM
The excuses Android fans are able to produce still amazes me. Like a preference for glossy plastic over high-precision, machined aluminum. And how 5 hours of web browsing time is a feature worth touting. That's quite horrid. I can admit to the perks of Android, but you guys will go to preposterous lengths to reject the iPhone.

As for those last three. The display uses next-generation technology (in-cell touch) and will display colors far more accurately. Your GS3 panel is marred by grossly over saturated colors and the Pentile subpixel configuration. 64 GB of storage on a phone is high. And I'm on AT&T, so I'll be doing voice and data simultaneously, thanks.

So are you going to leave your phone naked or put a cover on it. If you leave it naked, prepare for dents and scratches. If you put a plastic cover on it, your point is now invalid. Either way, you lose. :p
As for 5 hours of web browsing, I don't think you understood what was meant. I am pretty sure they meant it's 5 hours of actual onscreen time (while using the phone) and screen brightness all the way up. You won't see an iphone get anywhere close to that. Now, I can get 48 hours with light use, and people will post ridiculous numbers like that, but realistic numbers are better. And if I have my brightness at 100%, which 7 always do on every phone I own, I will get around 4.5 hours of actual use, with real multitasking. That is downloading torrents, sending emails, working on Word docs, playing games and using google wallet and gps navigation. No video watching. When you get your phone and have broke in your battery properly, try doing this one day. You will find out what your battery is really capable of. Oh yeah, and when I get down to 1%, I just pop another battery in and instantly have 100% again. ;)

Lastly, 64gb is enough for a phone, however I have 80gb. But let's look at the price difference.
S3 is $550 for the 16gb phone and $50 for another 64gb sd card, which of course can be used with your Android tablet and home pc or laptop.
Iphone 5 is $900 for the 64gb version. $900! Anyone that pays 900 bucks for a phone needs to have their head examined, especially for something lacking as much as the iphone 5 does. Seriously, you can just about buy a Macbook Air for that!

Yes, these are off contract prices, but even on contract, you are paying nearly $150 more to get 64gb, while I enjoy 80gb. And a better phone. :D

zbarvian
Sep 21, 2012, 04:36 PM
So are you going to leave your phone naked or put a cover on it. If you leave it naked, prepare for dents and scratches. If you put a plastic cover on it, your point is now invalid. Either way, you lose. :p
As for 5 hours of web browsing, I don't think you understood what was meant. I am pretty sure they meant it's 5 hours of actual onscreen time (while using the phone) and screen brightness all the way up. You won't see an iphone get anywhere close to that. Now, I can get 48 hours with light use, and people will post ridiculous numbers like that, but realistic numbers are better. And if I have my brightness at 100%, which 7 always do on every phone I own, I will get around 4.5 hours of actual use, with real multitasking. That is downloading torrents, sending emails, working on Word docs, playing games and using google wallet and gps navigation. No video watching. When you get your phone and have broke in your battery properly, try doing this one day. You will find out what your battery is really capable of. Oh yeah, and when I get down to 1%, I just pop another battery in and instantly have 100% again. ;)

Lastly, 64gb is enough for a phone, however I have 80gb. But let's look at the price difference.
S3 is $550 for the 16gb phone and $50 for another 64gb sd card, which of course can be used with your Android tablet and home pc or laptop.
Iphone 5 is $900 for the 64gb version. $900! Anyone that pays 900 bucks for a phone needs to have their head examined, especially for something lacking as much as the iphone 5 does. Seriously, you can just about buy a Macbook Air for that!

Yes, these are off contract prices, but even on contract, you are paying nearly $150 more to get 64gb, while I enjoy 80gb. And a better phone. :D

iPhone 5 is the better phone. Sorry you can't see it. And the battery life on this thing is insane, 5 hours of constant use is pathetic.

I won't buy a case because I've never scratched or shattered my iPhone 4, and this is proving to be far more resilient than the 4 and even the GS3. Just concede that the iPhone is the better built phone already.

oBMTo
Sep 21, 2012, 05:05 PM
iPhone 5 is the better phone. Sorry you can't see it. And the battery life on this thing is insane, 5 hours of constant use is pathetic.

I won't buy a case because I've never scratched or shattered my iPhone 4, and this is proving to be far more resilient than the 4 and even the GS3. Just concede that the iPhone is the better built phone already.

Don't worry about scratching your iPhone 5. It's probably already prescratched/predented for you! Bwhahahahahaha

Mac.World
Sep 21, 2012, 06:09 PM
iPhone 5 is the better phone. Sorry you can't see it. And the battery life on this thing is insane, 5 hours of constant use is pathetic.

I won't buy a case because I've never scratched or shattered my iPhone 4, and this is proving to be far more resilient than the 4 and even the GS3. Just concede that the iPhone is the better built phone already.

Far more resilient? Uh, if you just bought one then you've only had it a few hours. Kind of hard to make a statement like that until you have owned for more than 5 minutes. And let's see the phone after a week. Every single reviewer has said the same thing. The iphone 5 scratches and dents easily. If you consider that better than my phone that still looks brand new and has never had a case on it, then I would have to say you should see a psychologist.
Just admit that Apple failed with this phone, ios6 and maps. People will still buy anything with an Apple logo on it though, even if it looks like a stretched turd, is missing standard hardware, can't do basic functions, is sandboxed, and has terrible nav and mapping software. My S3 will be more capable of a phone than the iphone 7 at this rate. Maybe in 2 years you'll be able to open a file or attach documents to an email. :D

ethana
Sep 21, 2012, 08:20 PM
Take an iPhone 4S with iOS 6 and a Galaxy Nexus stock Android 4.1 and put them next to each other and run Geekbench. The iPhone scores mid-600s, the Nexus scores 1000+.

Now scroll the view to see the details of the test. The iPhone is smooth as silk, the Nexus is choppy as hell.

THIS is why benchmarks don't matter. It's about how the OS utilizes the components, NOT how much raw processing power you have.

Another good test is to put the game Ski Safari side-by-side and watch them. You'll see the same results.

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Vegastouch
Sep 21, 2012, 08:56 PM
The excuses Android fans are able to produce still amazes me. Like a preference for glossy plastic over high-precision, machined aluminum. And how 5 hours of web browsing time is a feature worth touting. That's quite horrid. I can admit to the perks of Android, but you guys will go to preposterous lengths to reject the iPhone.

As for those last three. The display uses next-generation technology (in-cell touch) and will display colors far more accurately. Your GS3 panel is marred by grossly over saturated colors and the Pentile subpixel configuration. 64 GB of storage on a phone is high. And I'm on AT&T, so I'll be doing voice and data simultaneously, thanks.

You know whats funny? Is you dont even know what your talking about. Your repeating what you most likely read from Apples website. You keep saying "high-precision, machined aluminum". They have you sold at least. Aluminum is aluminum and it is all machined with precision. What do you think? HTC has somebody handcrafting it? :rolleyes:
Apples aluminum back isnt any high precision or machined any better than anyone elses.

And ill tell you something else. With that aluminum back you didnt get NFC and why others have been using the ploycarbonate plastic so they can use NFC. You wont see aluminum on the next iPhone if it gets NFC then what will you say? Let me guess at that. You will say...their plastic is "high precision plastic and it is machined", ...or maybe they have some magic mold for it.....which you will say means it is better :rolleyes:

I have said over and over again that i like the iPhones and they are good devices but prefer Android over it but you are getting ridiculous now. Who cares if somebody likes plastic over aluminum? Aluminum is slippery.

3bs
Sep 21, 2012, 09:05 PM
You know whats funny? Is you dont even know what your talking about. Your repeating what you most likely read from Apple website. You keep saying "high-precision, machined aluminum". They have you sold at least. Aluminum is aluminum and it is all machined with precision. What do you think? HTC has somebody handcrafting it? :rolleyes:
Apples aluminum back isnt any high precision or machined any better than anyone elses.

And ill tell you something else. With that aluminum back you didnt get NFC and why others have been using the ploycarbonate plastic so they can use NFC. You wont see aluminum on the next iPhone if it gets NFC then what will you say? Let me guess at that. You will say...their plastic is "high precision plastic and it is machined", ...or maybe they have some magic mold for it.....which you will say means it is better :rolleyes:

I have said over and over again that i like the iPhones and they are good devices but prefer Android over it but you are getting ridiculous now. Who cares if somebody likes plastic over aluminum? Aluminum is slippery.

I for one prefer plastic as well.

Vegastouch
Sep 21, 2012, 09:22 PM
I for one prefer plastic as well.

Thing is, i dont have a preference. If i like the phone and it has a aluminum back, so be it....but it is going to get a case on it so i can grip it because the first gen iPhone had that and it was damn slippery.
My Wifes HTC Radar has a high precision, machined aluminum back as well and it is slippery too.

I dont really care if they have a plastic back because i get a case or a different back cover or both :D ..and if it means it has some better technology because of the plastic back, ...even better!

Im sure zbarvian had a iPhone 3GS and its plastic back that was 12.3mm thick and loved it ;)

Vegastouch
Sep 22, 2012, 12:27 PM
I read yesterday that the battery in the iP5 is actually smaller than in the 4S. Not by much but the battery in the iP5 is 1424mAh, not 1440. That also helps in making it slimmer though not by much by every little bit helps.

Apples battery is much longer than the Samsung GS3's is, and others ive seen that have a removable cover but it takes up half the space in the phone which is probably why there is no room for a NFC inductor.

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ifixit_iphone5_inside-640x360.jpg

Dontazemebro
Sep 22, 2012, 12:37 PM
@ zbarvian, all the reviews I've seen says the battery is on par with the 4s, maybe slightly better but not really significant. If so, it should be slightly better than the S3 depending on which version you're referring to. I know for a fact the HTC One XL battery lasts a whole day with moderate use and after custom rom tweaks can pretty much go for a day & half.

This is what I normally get with light/moderate usage with over 4hrs screen on time.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/jaytrajik/th_2012-05-19_23-22-03.png (http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/jaytrajik/?action=view&current=2012-05-19_23-22-03.png) http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/jaytrajik/th_2012-05-19_23-22-20.png (http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/jaytrajik/?action=view&current=2012-05-19_23-22-20.png)

BTW - any phone with heavy usage will drain like a sieve, which is why I never really use it as a barometer to gauge battery life.