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Stropaganda
Sep 17, 2012, 12:43 AM
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/15/htcs-verizon-bound-1080p-phone-rumored-to-have-quad-core-snapdragon-s4-1-5gb-ram-and-480ppi-display/

http://thedroidguy.com/2012/09/oppo-find-5-jelly-bean-smartphone-features-quad-core-processor-1080p-resolution/

This is just getting insane now. Do we need a 1080p 5" screen on a phone? Does this resolution or ppi density affect the battery life or is that only determined by the screen size?

What are your initial thoughts after reading? One of my thoughts was "I want to lick that HTC phone".



nba1341
Sep 17, 2012, 05:00 AM
The iphone5 screen should have been 720p. They failed

flameproof
Sep 17, 2012, 07:37 AM
The iphone5 screen should have been 720p. They failed

I watch 640px on an iPad and it looks fine enough. 720 looks a tiny bit better, not really noticeable since I watch the story and not the pixels. 1080 on a small phone screen is IMHO a total waste of memory space.

Not everything that's technically possible makes sense.

Tarzanman
Sep 17, 2012, 10:20 AM
So let me get this straight.... your complaint is that the new 1080p screen is too awesome?

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/12215635.jpg

Stropaganda
Sep 17, 2012, 10:29 AM
So let me get this straight.... your complaint is that the new 1080p screen is too awesome?
Oh, of course not. If there are no disadvantages to a 1080 screen over a 720, then I'm all for it. I am just wondering if this will further cripple the battery.

Tarzanman
Sep 17, 2012, 10:37 AM
Oh, of course not. If there are no disadvantages to a 1080 screen over a 720, then I'm all for it. I am just wondering if this will further cripple the battery.

My battery on my Galaxy Nexus is pretty good. Gets me just under 2 days with moderate use (browsing, talking, sms texts, tethering).

I cannot say the same for my previous two android phones (G1, Vibrant). I'm not sure that a 1080p screen would hurt life that badly in a 5" phone which would be able to accommodate a large battery

Mrg02d
Sep 17, 2012, 03:16 PM
Dont forget the IPAD3 and its battery life (awful) due to the retina display. The nice thing is, is that I can charge both devices while I sleep and be good to go for a full day of whatever...

I dont need my device to last DAYS when I have a charger. I aint taking it anywhere that there is no power so, whats the problem???

My Gs3 lasts a full day of screwing around on sprints 3G. I get home at night and charge it before bedtime.

McCool71
Sep 17, 2012, 03:26 PM
This is just getting insane now. Do we need a 1080p 5" screen on a phone?

It's the next logical step up in resolution - after all every flagship phone these days (except the iPhone 5) has at least 1280x720.

I can agree that is does not make much sense on anything smaller than say 4.5", but in all honesty neither does something like 960x640 on the 3.5" display of the iPhone 4 if you look at it objectively. 333, 300 or 270ppi - who really cares?

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Dont forget the IPAD3 and its battery life (awful)
I dont need my device to last DAYS when I have a charger. I aint taking it anywhere that there is no power so, whats the problem???

I totally agree, I can't remember the last time I was somewhere without power for more than a day. I charge my phone while I sleep (has done for years - just a habit) and never run out of power during the day.

zbarvian
Sep 17, 2012, 03:36 PM
Of course it'll cripple the battery. Look at the iPad 3 (radically bigger battery to accommodate screen resolution and GPU.

Not just the battery, but also performance...unless they dramatically increase the horsepower of the SoC, which would also drain battery! All for what presumably should be imperceptible gains in pixel density. Gotta love brainless phone makers.

McCool71
Sep 17, 2012, 03:48 PM
All for what presumably should be imperceptible gains in pixel density. Gotta love brainless phone makers.

I kind of agree with you - personally I think the hysteria surrounding 'retina' displays and similar are totally out of order.

Funnily enough, when the iPhone 3 had a 480x320 display screen resolution/ppi was not a big deal at all for most iPhone-users. When they jumped to the 960x640 of the iPhone 4 though it was suddenly a very big deal and of huge importance.

People are strange :D

Mrg02d
Sep 17, 2012, 05:29 PM
I kind of agree with you - personally I think the hysteria surrounding 'retina' displays and similar are totally out of order.

Funnily enough, when the iPhone 3 had a 480x320 display screen resolution/ppi was not a big deal at all for most iPhone-users. When they jumped to the 960x640 of the iPhone 4 though it was suddenly a very big deal and of huge importance.

People are strange :D

It's cuz apple said it was revolutionary.

tbayrgs
Sep 17, 2012, 07:31 PM
I kind of agree with you - personally I think the hysteria surrounding 'retina' displays and similar are totally out of order.

Funnily enough, when the iPhone 3 had a 480x320 display screen resolution/ppi was not a big deal at all for most iPhone-users. When they jumped to the 960x640 of the iPhone 4 though it was suddenly a very big deal and of huge importance.

People are strange :D

It was a big deal because it will immediately noticeable how much better the retina display was. I'd suggest that the leap from 720p to 1080p on such a small device would be far less noticeable. The pixel density at 720p is already difficult for the naked eye to distinguish, if at all possible. 1080p on a 5" display is unnecessary overkill.

Technarchy
Sep 17, 2012, 08:30 PM
It's technically interesting.

But most phone makers wont put in the time to get the supporting technology down and make a polished product.

It will just be even bigger, ungainly, hideous platter phones to accommodate massive batteries for inefficient GPU's and CPU's.

And then there is the question of user experience? What does 1080P look like on a 4.7" display. Probably super tiny and miserable to look at.

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 08:45 PM
I kind of agree with you - personally I think the hysteria surrounding 'retina' displays and similar are totally out of order.

Funnily enough, when the iPhone 3 had a 480x320 display screen resolution/ppi was not a big deal at all for most iPhone-users. When they jumped to the 960x640 of the iPhone 4 though it was suddenly a very big deal and of huge importance.

People are strange :D
Fanboys take whatever position suits their defense of their company.

When it was 480x320, they said it was perfectly fine and dandy and that higher resolutions are just an unnecessary gimmick. When it became 960x640, they said anything less than that is awful garbage.

Likewise, they'll say that 1080p is completely unnecessary because of the "retina" issue and that the iPhone will never need to go higher.

When the iPhone inevitably doubles its resolution again 5 years down the line, they'll say it is "resolutionary" :rolleyes:

Stropaganda
Sep 21, 2012, 10:56 PM
http://www.androidauthority.com/verizon-plans-revealed-leak-droid-incredible-x-lg-spectrum-2-among-new-phones-come-soon-116849/

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/19/lg-optimus-g-bringing-its-quad-core-1-5ghz-s4-pro-to-us-shores-i/

Jeez, the HTC Incredible X or LG Optimus G could be my next phone. Both look amazing. Which one would yall choose? I'm just wondering how big a 5" screen will be.

onthecouchagain
Sep 21, 2012, 11:14 PM
I'm very impressed by the lg Optimus g. I didn't think I would be. Some of the new features they're introducing look really novel too. Once again the competition feels like they're fueling innovation. Or trying to at least. Kudos to lg.

And since its a non removable backplate, maybe it'll finally have the build quality people are seeking. Now that jelly bean is up to par software wise it's about time they offer better builds since it seems to be a big point of contention for users.

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If it was Apple pushing to 1080, a lot of the replies here would be singing quite a different tune, I'd wager.

Stropaganda
Sep 21, 2012, 11:32 PM
I'm very impressed by the lg Optimus g. I didn't think I would be. Some of the new features they're introducing look really novel too. Once again the competition feels like they're fueling innovation. Or trying to at least. Kudos to lg.

And since its a non removable backplate, maybe it'll finally have the build quality people are seeking. Now that jelly bean is up to par software wise it's about time they offer better builds since it seems to be a big point of contention for users.

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If it was Apple pushing to 1080, a lot of the replies here would be singing quite a different tune, I'd wager.

The features are nice, but I'm sure it will not work as promised. I am 90% sure I will just flash stock Android on it as soon as I can and it will be faster and smoother. I just love the hardware on that thing.

As for Apple, I don't really care. Let them have their iPhone 5. It's a fine phone. If it's too big for their hands, then who am I to argue? Just let me enjoy my insane, beastly phone without giving me grief about the OS or the look because it doesn't have an apple on the box.

intervenient
Sep 22, 2012, 02:01 AM
Oh great. More massive android phones.

Why why WHY can't we get a great device that isn't 4.8+

Calidude
Sep 22, 2012, 02:49 AM
This is just getting insane now. Do we need a 1080p 5" screen on a phone?
I'd wager you wouldn't be so alarmed if the iPhone 5 had a 1080p resolution on it rather than an Android phone having it.

iphonefan74
Sep 22, 2012, 02:56 AM
Oh great. More massive android phones.

Why why WHY can't we get a great device that isn't 4.8+

Because research and sales clearly show people love these size phones. If there were a huge demand for smaller phones, you can bet someone would be making them.

Anyone watch the video and see the Quadrant score on that new LG phone? Well over 7000, wow!

Calidude
Sep 22, 2012, 03:07 AM
Oh great. More massive android phones.

Why why WHY can't we get a great device that isn't 4.8+
People want big phones. This is obvious to anybody who actually has any grasp of market trends. If Apple weren't so anti-choice, they would have rolled out a nice 4.7 inch iPhone to go with the new 4 inch iPhone and would have claimed more marketshare than ever, but they're being pigheaded as always.

onthecouchagain
Sep 22, 2012, 07:15 AM
Oh great. More massive android phones.

Why why WHY can't we get a great device that isn't 4.8+

There are plenty of great alternatives in the sub-4.8" category. That's the beauty of choice.

maflynn
Sep 22, 2012, 07:20 AM
This is just getting insane now. Do we need a 1080p 5" screen on a phone? Does this resolution or ppi density affect the battery life or is that only determined by the screen size?

Would the current crop of mobile processors/GPUs handle 1080p screens? I'd think performance could be an issue pushing that many pixels. One criticism of the retina MBP is just that, the retina display is making such demands of the GPU that it struggles to keep up in some instances.

Stropaganda
Sep 22, 2012, 09:59 AM
I'd wager you wouldn't be so alarmed if the iPhone 5 had a 1080p resolution on it rather than an Android phone having it.

C'mon, now. I've never even owned an Apple product. I've always been Windows and Android. I'm not one of those people. I'm just speculating if the screen upgrade is worth the battery life downgrade.

intervenient
Sep 22, 2012, 04:37 PM
There are plenty of great alternatives in the sub-4.8" category. That's the beauty of choice.

And all do not have the best processor, or the best screen, etc etc

Scrub175
Sep 22, 2012, 04:51 PM
C'mon, now. I've never even owned an Apple product. I've always been Windows and Android. I'm not one of those people. I'm just speculating if the screen upgrade is worth the battery life downgrade.

So why are you posting in an apple forum. You have every right to but I'm sure you could find something better to do...

Stropaganda
Sep 22, 2012, 05:27 PM
So why are you posting in an apple forum. You have every right to but I'm sure you could find something better to do...
It's fun to debate. Also, I'm posting this at a GA Tech game.

ChrisTX
Sep 22, 2012, 05:52 PM
I'd wager you wouldn't be so alarmed if the iPhone 5 had a 1080p resolution on it rather than an Android phone having it.

The real question though, is would a 1080P screen on ANY phone be noticeably better? The retina display was noticeably better than the previous iPhone screen because the pixels were doubled. However, at what point does the super high resolution become less noticeable on such a small screen?

onthecouchagain
Sep 22, 2012, 10:25 PM
Regarding next generation Android devices...

I think it's time to admit that a device need not be plastic to survive drops.

The iPhone 5 passes drop tests with flying colors and it's still able to use premium feeling, high quality materials.

It's time Android manufacturers up their game with design aesthetics and build material, because it seems to be a major point of contention for a lot of people. HTC has the right idea with the One X...

Stropaganda
Sep 23, 2012, 01:11 AM
Regarding next generation Android devices...

I think it's time to admit that a device need not be plastic to survive drops.

The iPhone 5 passes drop tests with flying colors and it's still able to use premium feeling, high quality materials.

It's time Android manufacturers up their game with design aesthetics and build material, because it seems to be a major point of contention for a lot of people. HTC has the right idea with the One X...

Seconded. HTC and Sony are doing great.

Mr. Retrofire
Sep 23, 2012, 02:46 AM
Would the current crop of mobile processors/GPUs handle 1080p screens? I'd think performance could be an issue pushing that many pixels. One criticism of the retina MBP is just that, the retina display is making such demands of the GPU that it struggles to keep up in some instances.
I think this is a driver problem on the desktop/laptop platform (R-MBP). Certainly not a GPU problem. On the mobile platforms (smartphones, media players) the bus width limits the maximum transfer speed/pixel fillrate.

The retina display in the R-MBP needs a maximum pixel fillrate of ≈ 311 MegaPixel/s (MP/s) or ≈ 1.2 GByte/s.

2880 Pixel * 1800 Pixel = 5.184.000 Pixel
5.184.000 Pixel * 4 Byte/Pixel = 20.736.000 Byte
20.736.000 Byte * 60 Hz = 1.244.160.000 Byte/s ≈ 1.2 GByte/s

(60 Hz is the standard refresh rate in the Mac OS X Quartz/OpenGL APIs (http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#technotes/tn2133/_index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/DTS10003496-CH1-SUBSECTION6))

The minimum pixel fillrate of the 650M is 11.8 GigaPixel/s (GP/s) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_600M_.286xxM.29_series) or
11.800.000.000 Pixel * 4 Byte = 47.2 GByte/s.

So the question is, why the driver does not even use 10 percent (47.2 GByte/s / 10) of the available pixel fillrate!?

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2012, 08:36 AM
Seconded. HTC and Sony are doing great.

I actually think Sony makes some ugly handsets. Not too thrilled by the looks of their latest mobile offerings.

And while I think the HTC one x has the right idea, I still think it's rather ugly (I know I'm in the minority here) and absolutely a horror to hold and handle. The ergonomics of the device are clunky and cumbersome to use, especially the idiotically placed power/sleep button.

I love Samsung's ultra clean looking front of the Galaxy Nexus. I'm hoping if they design the next Nexus, it'll be similar, but use more premium build materials and design. I think the Samsung ATIV might get us there: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2012/08/3465.IMG_5533_29190921-660x440.jpg

adildacoolset
Oct 15, 2012, 08:34 AM
I actually think Sony makes some ugly handsets. Not too thrilled by the looks of their latest mobile offerings.

And while I think the HTC one x has the right idea, I still think it's rather ugly (I know I'm in the minority here) and absolutely a horror to hold and handle. The ergonomics of the device are clunky and cumbersome to use, especially the idiotically placed power/sleep button.

I love Samsung's ultra clean looking front of the Galaxy Nexus. I'm hoping if they design the next Nexus, it'll be similar, but use more premium build materials and design. I think the Samsung ATIV might get us there: Image (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2012/08/3465.IMG_5533_29190921-660x440.jpg)

I still think that that phone looks ugly IMO, especially with that rear speaker grille. They took a plastic phone and made it metal. And that phone doesn't look good

mcman77
Oct 15, 2012, 01:27 PM
Sony might be getting into the phablet world.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_c660x_yuga_1080p_display_leaks_in_a_benchmark_score_-news-4944.php

and here are some rumors about the xperia nexus (xperia x?)

http://www.gsmarena.com/photos_of_sony_nexus_x_leak_will_the_lg_nexus_4_have_competition-news-4948.php

http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/12/10/sony-nexus/thumb/gsmarena_002.jpg

http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/12/10/sony-nexus/thumb/gsmarena_001.jpg

THE JUICEMAN
Oct 15, 2012, 01:33 PM
Sony might be getting into the phablet world.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_c660x_yuga_1080p_display_leaks_in_a_benchmark_score_-news-4944.php

and here are some rumors about the xperia nexus (xperia x?)

http://www.gsmarena.com/photos_of_sony_nexus_x_leak_will_the_lg_nexus_4_have_competition-news-4948.php

Image (http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/12/10/sony-nexus/thumb/gsmarena_002.jpg)

Image (http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/12/10/sony-nexus/thumb/gsmarena_001.jpg)

Unfortunately, this was said to be fake already by photoshop experts.

zbarvian
Oct 15, 2012, 01:41 PM
As far as I can tell there's no tangible benefits to having a 1080p screen. It's going to require a larger battery and GPU, which will add thickness and weight to the device, as well as be incredibly expensive to manufacture. All for a display that will look marginally better than our current displays. I'll reserve final judgment until I see the devices and use them, but I'm skeptical.

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I actually think Sony makes some ugly handsets. Not too thrilled by the looks of their latest mobile offerings.

And while I think the HTC one x has the right idea, I still think it's rather ugly (I know I'm in the minority here) and absolutely a horror to hold and handle. The ergonomics of the device are clunky and cumbersome to use, especially the idiotically placed power/sleep button.

I love Samsung's ultra clean looking front of the Galaxy Nexus. I'm hoping if they design the next Nexus, it'll be similar, but use more premium build materials and design. I think the Samsung ATIV might get us there: Image (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2012/08/3465.IMG_5533_29190921-660x440.jpg)

The ATIV is plastic. It's a joke, Samsung refuses to make anything that uses nice materials. They can't even use solid plastic, it's all these flimsy covers.