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The Robot Cow
Sep 17, 2012, 07:07 PM
A little about myself I'm 21 in college and i consider myself a technology enthusiast. What's caught my attention the most in recent times is smartphones. When the first iphone came out i thought it was the most amazing thing and how it was almost a computer right in your hands. When i finally got around to being able to get my own smartphone i chose a motorola droid 2, why? It just seemed to be the best out there at the time and since then i've learned alot about the good and bad about android. What swayed me to get an android at first was the level of customization and the whole robot theme the verizon droid phones had. Fast forward now i own a galaxy nexus but there has something that has been bugging me about android. It seems that i always had to root and flash rom to get the phone to my liking.

To this day i have flashed many roms to my nexus and i have yet to find one that i like 100%. To be honest I was never really an iPhone fan but with the new iPhone 5 i think its time that i jump ship. I love the design of the phone, from what i've seen it looks to run super smooth(maybe a bit smoother than my nexus running jelly bean) and maybe it's what i've been searching for in a smartphone.

Does it mean that i've given up on android? Of course not. I love how the os has been coming along and i'm interested on how it'll continue to evolve. I don't think there is a superior os, each has their advantages and disadvantages its just which one we like. I love how both android and ios continue to push with new features and are getting closer to replacing my computer all together. I like the competition between android and ios but i hate these silly patent law suits. If android's jelly bean and ios 6 are this awesome i wonder how they'll be in a couple years.



3bs
Sep 17, 2012, 07:16 PM
Sounds like you like to customize your phones. I do too. Will you be jailbreaking your iPhone 5 whenever a jailbreak becomes available?

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 07:25 PM
Here's the Android vs. iPhone debate from my point of view:

iOS is a locked down, beginner's OS with little potential for advancement and innovation.

Android is an open source, advanced user OS with limitless potential for advancement and innovation.

Neither of them are perfect, but only one of them is clearly the way to go if you want to have real control over your phone.

BrianMayFan123
Sep 17, 2012, 07:26 PM
I'm with you on that Robot Cow.
I too value the various pros/cons of iOS and Android but I sit more on the android side of the fence.

Like you I have a Galaxy Nexus and I absolutely love it. the pure android experience is everything I could want. as an OS, its perfect. In fact the only thing about that phone specifically I'm not happy ab out is the battery life, but thats not something the iPhone improves on in my opinion.

I have an iPad 2, and if the need arose for me to purchase another tablet, I would happily get an Android powered device.

In the end, it all comes down to personal preference and your computing/mobile needs.

To some people the amount of choice and variation in Android phones/tablets is enough to put them off, so the next logical choice is Apple products. For me, the endless choices simply gives me the power.
I'll choose the phone I want, not what some committee decides people will want.

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 07:44 PM
Like you I have a Galaxy Nexus and I absolutely love it. the pure android experience is everything I could want. as an OS, its perfect. In fact the only thing about that phone specifically I'm not happy ab out is the battery life, but thats not something the iPhone improves on in my opinion.
The Nexus is known for having a weaker battery. It's fine for anybody who charges their phone every night but otherwise, not for others. I'm fine with it though. I'm sure you can sell the phone for a quick 250 and buy the Galaxy Nexus 2 which will probably have a much nicer battery.

The Robot Cow
Sep 17, 2012, 07:47 PM
I agree on the battery life, it sucks! Even with the extended battery lol.

tbayrgs
Sep 17, 2012, 07:48 PM
Here's the Android vs. iPhone debate from my point of view:

iOS is a locked down, mature, polished OS with little need for advancement and innovation.

Android is an open source OS that requires significant tinkering by an advanced user to get it to try to reach its potential for advancement and innovation.

Neither of them are perfect, but only one of them is clearly the way to go if you don't want to spend endless hours with your phone to get it to work as you need it to.

There you go, I fixed that for you.

In all seriousness, I don't have any hate for Android, been using Jelly Bean on and off since July and it is certainly capable. I just prefer iOS because it's like plug and play with my household full of Apple gear and while I love tech and gadgets, I just don't have the time to spend playing with my phone OS to get it to do everything I'd like it to do.

SprSynJn
Sep 17, 2012, 07:51 PM
There you go, I fixed that for you.

A very good fix if you ask me. :p

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 07:54 PM
I just prefer iOS because it's like plug and play with my household full of Apple gear
Just because your house looks like an Apple store doesn't mean iOS is any better for anybody but you. Android is for people who want their phone to work with whatever they want, not just Apple gear.

nixiemaiden
Sep 17, 2012, 08:06 PM
My biggest problem with android phones is that you have to rely on the community to fix your problems because there is little to no support elsewhere because the manufacturers are already working on their next phone.

At first I really liked being able to root my phone and put custom roms on it. But then what it came down to is that I shouldn't HAVE to do that to have a phone that just works without freezing up all the time. I had the Samsung Moment and then the Samsung Epic and both were just so buggy...

Android has had many releases since then...but I want a phone that just works. I also like that my iPhone 4s is going to get the latest os and that Apple doesn't just abandon it after 6 months.

tbayrgs
Sep 17, 2012, 08:15 PM
Just because your house looks like an Apple store doesn't mean iOS is any better for anybody but you. Android is for people who want their phone to work with whatever they want, not just Apple gear.

You'll notice that I stated it was MY preference and it works best for ME--never said everyone one else should use it. I was admittedly having a bit of fun with your post, but thought I'd made it clear with my 'In all seriousness..' statement. Sorry if it worked you into a lather.

Let me ask Calidude, why are you here? Yes, you have as much right as me or anyone else but why does someone with so much obvious disdain for the iPhone and most thing Apple spend so much time in a forum dedicated to Apple products? You've created 21 threads since the beginning of August, 15 of which are in the Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices forums and most are of an anti-Apple or anti-iDevice in nature. You speak of iOS users as if we're mindless idiots and unless you use Android, you cannot be intelligent.

What possibly could be your motivation other than to troll these boards? Serious, I'm genuinely curious what is the attraction?

zbarvian
Sep 17, 2012, 08:31 PM
I like the competition and the innovation pushing from each side, but iOS is still far better in my eyes. They are entirely different, though, and appeal to very different crowds.

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 08:31 PM
You'll notice that I stated it was MY preference and it works best for ME--never said everyone one else should use it. I was admittedly having a bit of fun with your post, but thought I'd made it clear with my 'In all seriousness..' statement. Sorry if it worked you into a lather.

Let me ask Calidude, why are you here? Yes, you have as much right as me or anyone else but why does someone with so much obvious disdain for the iPhone and most thing Apple spend so much time in a forum dedicated to Apple products? You've created 21 threads since the beginning of August, 15 of which are in the Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices forums and most are of an anti-Apple or anti-iDevice in nature. You speak of iOS users as if we're mindless idiots and unless you use Android, you cannot be intelligent.

What possibly could be your motivation other than to troll these boards? Serious, I'm genuinely curious what is the attraction?
1) I'm here because I was an iPhone user for years now. See my registration date? I've only been an Android user since June of this year.
2) I'm in the alternatives forum. How can I be trolling if I'm mostly in here?
3) I like to talk to people like me who used to have an iPhone but switched. Makes for a more interesting conversation than somebody who is pro-Android or pro-Apple. I am pro-anything that works the best for advanced users like myself.
4) I have absolutely no problem with anybody using the iPhone. I think people who don't know much about computers or smartphones should use it. I just think it's disingenuous to say, as many people do, that the iPhone is the most advanced phone when it can't even do most of what OSX can do when iOS is based on OSX.

flameproof
Sep 17, 2012, 08:42 PM
iOS is like a very well behaved catholic girl that goes to church every Sunday.

Android is like a promiscuous slut that does everything.

Easy to work out which one is more reliable, and which one is more fun.

Nand
Sep 17, 2012, 08:49 PM
1) i'm here because i was an iphone user for years now. See my registration date? I've only been an android user since june of this year.
2) i'm in the alternatives forum. How can i be trolling if i'm mostly in here?
3) i like to talk to people like me who used to have an iphone but switched. Makes for a more interesting conversation than somebody who is pro-android or pro-apple. I am pro-anything that works the best for advanced users like myself.
4) i have absolutely no problem with anybody using the iphone. I think people who don't know much about computers or smartphones should use it. I just think it's disingenuous to say, as many people do, that the iphone is the most advanced phone when it can't even do most of what osx can do when ios is based on osx.


5)Bash iPhone
i bash iphone but really, any phone could do this with the right chipset. This thread is just...blah.

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 08:50 PM
iOS is like a very well behaved catholic girl that goes to church every Sunday.

Android is like a promiscuous slut that does everything.

Easy to work out which one is more reliable, and which one is more fun.
Most iOS users will prefer a slut over a religious girl. Just saying.

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5)Bash iPhone
There's a lot of people who bash Android here. What's your point?

zbarvian
Sep 17, 2012, 08:52 PM
Most iOS users will prefer a slut over a religious girl. Just saying.

Uhhhhhhh.......

what?

tbayrgs
Sep 17, 2012, 08:54 PM
1) I'm here because I was an iPhone user for years now. See my registration date? I've only been an Android user since June of this year.
2) I'm in the alternatives forum. How can I be trolling if I'm mostly in here?
3) I like to talk to people like me who used to have an iPhone but switched. Makes for a more interesting conversation than somebody who is pro-Android or pro-Apple. I am pro-anything that works the best for advanced users like myself.
4) I have absolutely no problem with anybody using the iPhone. I think people who don't know much about computers or smartphones should use it. I just think it's disingenuous to say, as many people do, that the iPhone is the most advanced phone when it can't even do most of what OSX can do when iOS is based on OSX.

Fair enough. But see, there you go again, 'I have absolutely no problem with anybody using the iPhone. I think people who don't know much about computers or smartphones should use it.', why the condescending tone? I'd hazard a guess that just about EVERYONE nowadays spends some amount of time, at least weekly on a computer and now more people than not use a smartphone. I'm not an IT professional or programmer but far more than just competent when using a computer or smartphone but you basically just called me an idiot for choosing iOS. I know how to unlock the boatloader on my Nexus, root it and flash ROMs. I chose iOS because I don't have to do all of that to get it to work as I need it. I've been messing around with my GNex since July and it still isn't where I'd like it to be.

You like to spend time adjusting ever detail so it's just right--great, glad there's an option for you. My kids, wife, job, house, etc doesn't leave me much free time to spend customizing my phone (and no, not saying you don't have a busy life, just illustrating from my perspective). Point is most people, even intelligent ones, don't necessarily want the most complicated option, however more capable it can potentially be.

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 08:59 PM
F I'm not an IT professional or programmer but far more than just competent when using a computer or smartphone but you basically just called me an idiot for choosing iOS.
Are you really going to claim I said that? Honestly? Dramatic much?

All I've ever said is that iPhone is only for certain kinds of people.

Point is most people, even intelligent ones, don't necessarily want the most complicated option, however more capable it can potentially be.
Let's be honest here. It's not that Android is more complicated to use, it's that Android simply has more you can do with it for those who want to do more with their phone.

flameproof
Sep 17, 2012, 09:06 PM
All I've ever said is that iPhone is only for certain kinds of people.

I believe if you add 'jailbreaking' then this is not really true.

Or seen from the 'other' side, how many Android users do really root their phone?

Calidude
Sep 17, 2012, 09:14 PM
I believe if you add 'jailbreaking' then this is not really true.

Or seen from the 'other' side, how many Android users do really root their phone?
Rooting is pretty rare, but its easier to do than jailbreaking. I'd say only 1 in 10 Android users root.

tbayrgs
Sep 17, 2012, 09:44 PM
Are you really going to claim I said that? Honestly? Dramatic much?

All I've ever said is that iPhone is only for certain kinds of people.

Dude, i'm not claiming anything, I provided your exact quote. Your certain kinds of people were, 'people who don't know much about computers or smartphones'.

Let's be honest here. It's not that Android is more complicated to use, it's that Android simply has more you can do with it for those who want to do more with their phone.

Agreed.

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Rooting is pretty rare, but its easier to do than jailbreaking. I'd say only 1 in 10 Android users root.

Assuming a jailbreak is available (untethered), it's generally a button click or two to JB an IPhone, a pretty simple process.

Mrg02d
Sep 17, 2012, 09:48 PM
At least android let's you replace your ROM...Via hacking. Hacking iOS lets you change colors and other silly things. NOTHING to improve the performance of the system. Plus, iOS is just an app drawer.:confused:

BoxerGT2.5
Sep 17, 2012, 09:51 PM
I believe if you add 'jailbreaking' then this is not really true.

Or seen from the 'other' side, how many Android users do really root their phone?


You don't have to root an Android to make it your own, the same can't be said for iPhone.

I appreciate both, but I've grown tired of apples approach to iPhone design. It's like BMW, generally year after year they all look the same, very minor tweaks and that's it. I believe I read someone comparing Apples stale brand to Windows, the ultimate culmination coming to Vista which was rejected. Eventually they're gonna have to change it up. When innovation dies, the company tends to head downhill.

swpars
Sep 17, 2012, 11:10 PM
Just because your house looks like an Apple store doesn't mean iOS is any better for anybody but you. Android is for people who want their phone to work with whatever they want, not just Apple gear.

The biggest thing I miss going from iOS to Android is seamless syncing of music and videos.

Let me mince no words. Android syncing is an afterthought at best. I use iSyncr, which is one of the best solutions for making an Android phone sync with iTunes. It's slow and clunky. And of course there's no iCloud.

I like a lot of things about my Galaxy S3, but syncing is not one of them. Apple is far and away the market leader in that respect.

And if you have a problem with people owning multiple Apple products...well, keep in mind that you're posting to a site called Mac Rumors.

Calidude
Sep 18, 2012, 02:06 AM
Dude, i'm not claiming anything, I provided your exact quote. Your certain kinds of people were, 'people who don't know much about computers or smartphones'.
Yeah but how is that the same or even similar to calling somebody an idiot? I have relatives and friends who are incredibly smart, well-educated people and if you put an iPhone in their hand or a Macbook Pro in their lap, they wouldn't know how to use it like the average Mac user can.

Assuming a jailbreak is available (untethered), it's generally a button click or two to JB an IPhone, a pretty simple process.
Sure, but unlocking the bootloader and rooting is available far more quickly to end users than the untethered JB. When my brother got his Galaxy S3 soon after it came out, he had it running Cyanogen in a matter of minutes out of the box. Meanwhile, waiting for JB on this iPhone 5 is going to be fairly arduous.

SprSynJn
Sep 18, 2012, 02:18 AM
Are you really going to claim I said that? Honestly? Dramatic much?

All I've ever said is that iPhone is only for certain kinds of people.


Let's be honest here. It's not that Android is more complicated to use, it's that Android simply has more you can do with it for those who want to do more with their phone.

More to do = more complicated. Pretty standard rule there. I know a thing about computers and phones, most people who know me personally can vouch for that I think. It still doesn't mean I want to go flipping through pages of settings to turn on something I probably will never use. It also doesn't mean I want to install mounds of apps or a custom rom that "does more", and then worry about whether they're infested with something. Believe it or not, some people do just want simplicity. Despite them knowing what they're doing. Dealing with a phone isn't always supposed to be "work".

P.S. and yes, you did say that. You seem to have a short memory with what you post.

Calidude
Sep 18, 2012, 02:27 AM
The biggest thing I miss going from iOS to Android is seamless syncing of music and videos.
Syncing is inferior to dragging and dropping. Nuff said.

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More to do = more complicated.
Android does not give you more to do than the iPhone. It gives you the potential to do more. You can keep an Android phone as is and just use the Play store, just like you would the iPhone. Doing more is just an option.

P.S. and yes, you did say that. You seem to have a short memory with what you post.
I said that people who choose iOS are idiots? Really?

SprSynJn
Sep 18, 2012, 07:28 AM
Syncing is inferior to dragging and dropping. Nuff said.

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Android does not give you more to do than the iPhone. It gives you the potential to do more. You can keep an Android phone as is and just use the Play store, just like you would the iPhone. Doing more is just an option.


I said that people who choose iOS are idiots? Really?

Does drag and drop automatically add songs to your connected device right after burning them to your computer?

If you keep an Android and do exactly that, it's better to just get an iPhone then. You'll have a lot less hassle to deal with. That's the case with me anyway. And I'm pretty sure that's why the iPhone is popular with the casual audience.

That was supposed to say "meant", not "said". My apologies.

Renzatic
Sep 18, 2012, 08:08 AM
iOS is like a very well behaved catholic girl that goes to church every Sunday.

What about slutty Catholic girls? Are they like Windows 8 or something?

Nah. Slutty Catholic girls would have apps.

Prototypical
Sep 18, 2012, 08:54 AM
Fast forward now i own a galaxy nexus but there has something that has been bugging me about android. It seems that i always had to root and flash rom to get the phone to my liking.

To this day i have flashed many roms to my nexus and i have yet to find one that i like 100%. To be honest I was never really an iPhone fan but with the new iPhone 5 i think its time that i jump ship. I love the design of the phone, from what i've seen it looks to run super smooth(maybe a bit smoother than my nexus running jelly bean) and maybe it's what i've been searching for in a smartphone.

I was in this boat a year ago, after owning a Droid for 18 months. I now own a 4S. I liken choosing a phone / ecosystem to being a car enthusiast. Some people like to buy Civics and Integras so they can completely dismantle the car and rebuild it how they want. Others buy an Audi or BMW and MAYBE tweak it here and there.

There are pros and cons to each; the tuner crowd gets to build exactly what they want, but at the expense of reliability (building a car in your garage is not the same as an engineer in a lab). The Audi crowd gets a nearly perfect car out of the box, but customization can be prohibitively expensive... so they're kind of "stuck" with what they have.

Personally, I started in the Civic (actually VW) camp. Now I'm moving towards the Audi camp, because I'd rather buy the right car for me, right out of the box. I might change wheels or suspension or little pieces here and there, but otherwise I like the car as-is. I don't have time for the Civic, "replace all the things!" mentality any more. I need my car to do what it was built to do, not sit broken in the garage. And frankly, I shouldn't HAVE to modify the car because it's too slow, or too ugly, or whatever.

</randomcarmetaphor>

onthecouchagain
Sep 18, 2012, 09:02 AM
iOS' simplicity is precisely what limits it. Its "simplicity" is, ironically, what makes it less usable.

Having to input your lock screen code each and every single time to get access to your phone is ridiculous, yet, it'd be unwise to do without it entirely. So simple, so black and white... so limiting.

Whereas on Android, you can toggle the lock screen on and off. 'On' for when you go out and obviously want the security. 'Off' for when you're at home and don't need the security to gain immediate access to your phone. Slightly more complicated (not really), but the flexibility makes the device so much more usable.

This is probably the best example, in my eyes.

Prototypical
Sep 18, 2012, 09:20 AM
iOS' simplicity is precisely what limits it. Its "simplicity" is, ironically, what makes it less usable.

Having to input your lock screen code each and every single time to get access to your phone is ridiculous, yet, it'd be unwise to do without it entirely. So simple, so black and white... so limiting.

Whereas on Android, you can toggle the lock screen on and off. 'On' for when you go out and obviously want the security. 'Off' for when you're at home and don't need the security to gain immediate access to your phone. Slightly more complicated (not really), but the flexibility makes the device so much more usable.

This is probably the best example, in my eyes.

For what it's worth, you can set a time period for the phone to relock (on iOS). Mine unlocks on the first entry of the password, and doesn't relock again for five minutes. Not perfect, but it doesn't mean I have to enter my code in EVERY time I pick the phone up.

What happens if you forget to re-enable the lock screen security when you leave, and someone steals your phone?

onthecouchagain
Sep 18, 2012, 09:32 AM
For what it's worth, you can set a time period for the phone to relock (on iOS). Mine unlocks on the first entry of the password, and doesn't relock again for five minutes. Not perfect, but it doesn't mean I have to enter my code in EVERY time I pick the phone up.

What happens if you forget to re-enable the lock screen security when you leave, and someone steals your phone?

Yeah, I used that feature too when I had the 4S, but there will be more times you'll have to enter the passcode than happen to have to use your phone again under 5 minutes.

Valid question. It's not an issue for me. When I go to work, I have to put my phone to vibrate anyway, and it's just part of my daily routine. Vibrate and lock. People are glued to their phones most of the time. You'd catch if you forgot to lock your screen outside of home. (I could also just as easily ask "what if someone stole your phone within five minutes of putting it to sleep?")

But again, this is flexibility versus simplicity. Nuance versus black & white.

cynics
Sep 18, 2012, 09:54 AM
I like the openness of Android an the power that can give apps. Apps like tasker or doubletwist you'll never see on iOS unless its native from apple.

I like iOS for its simplicity, I know what the OS is capable of so I don't even need to bother looking. Plus there is just something I like about an iPhone that I can't describe. I just enjoy seeing it sitting on my counter at home, weird huh?

My current devices of choice are a 4S and Android tablet.

The Robot Cow
Sep 18, 2012, 10:58 AM
Another problem i have with android is that there is always a newer and better phone around the corner. Like with motorola they just announced the razr m and hd a couple weeks ago. But now they've just announced the razr i(an intel powered razr m but not available in the usa as of now). Its good in a way that they are constantly putting out new products but not good for us consumers that may not be certain on when to buy due to that fear of "what if i do buy this phone and next couple months something even better".

That's something Apple has an advantage of imo. One phone every year.
But then again i guess you can see this either way.

Dr McKay
Sep 18, 2012, 11:27 AM
My point of view,

Both OS's are great. However it just takes one annoying Fanboy from either side to see someone using the rival OS and stick their nose in and say "Eurgh... why don't you use Android/iOS? It's so much better blah blah blah"

NT1440
Sep 18, 2012, 11:31 AM
Sure, but unlocking the bootloader and rooting is available far more quickly to end users than the untethered JB. When my brother got his Galaxy S3 soon after it came out, he had it running Cyanogen in a matter of minutes out of the box. Meanwhile, waiting for JB on this iPhone 5 is going to be fairly arduous.

What are you talking about? I've been jailbreaking since the 70+ step command line days, these days jailbreaking is literally as easy as plugging the device in and clicking a single button.

The Robot Cow
Sep 18, 2012, 11:34 AM
My point of view,

Both OS's are great. However it just takes one annoying Fanboy from either side to see someone using the rival OS and stick their nose in and say "Eurgh... why don't you use Android/iOS? It's so much better blah blah blah"

This is full of win.

cynics
Sep 18, 2012, 11:55 AM
Another problem i have with android is that there is always a newer and better phone around the corner. Like with motorola they just announced the razr m and hd a couple weeks ago. But now they've just announced the razr i(an intel powered razr m but not available in the usa as of now). Its good in a way that they are constantly putting out new products but not good for us consumers that may not be certain on when to buy due to that fear of "what if i do buy this phone and next couple months something even better".

That's something Apple has an advantage of imo. One phone every year.
But then again i guess you can see this either way.

Thats just a mental complex though. What if something better comes out tomorrow.....your phone isn't going to stop working. There are plenty of 3Gs and 4 users.

Plus saying that also means you are confined to a single system. For example those geek bench benchmarks are rating the s3 better then the iPhone 5. So in this single (meaningless) example there is something out that is already better.....that doesn't mean I have to run out and buy it.

I can understand if you want the latest and greatest. But to be worried that you won't have the best for very long? That's an issue....

ChazUK
Sep 18, 2012, 12:05 PM
Does drag and drop automatically add songs to your connected device right after burning them to your computer?

I solved this problem by enabling Google Music on my account and uploading all of my music to that when my PC is on.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/19/how-to-use-google-music-from-anywhere-yes-outside-of-the-unit/

I used the main guide on Engadget but there are (what seems to be) easier solutions in the comments.

I will add I do have completely unlimited internet access on my line with Three UK so data usage of streaming my music is not a problem at all and I get to access everything on my desktop PC's, Android devices, iOS devices and my Chromebook. Most effortless music Access I've used (alongside iTunes Match on my iPhone).

Worth a try if it would fit your needs!

The Robot Cow
Sep 18, 2012, 12:15 PM
Thats just a mental complex though. What if something better comes out tomorrow.....your phone isn't going to stop working. There are plenty of 3Gs and 4 users.

Plus saying that also means you are confined to a single system. For example those geek bench benchmarks are rating the s3 better then the iPhone 5. So in this single (meaningless) example there is something out that is already better.....that doesn't mean I have to run out and buy it.

I can understand if you want the latest and greatest. But to be worried that you won't have the best for very long? That's an issue....

Its not me who's worried about having the best at all times, but this happened with people who bought the Motorola Bionic. Only a couple months after the Bionic was released, Motorola announced the Droid Razr which pissed off a bunch of people.

Prototypical
Sep 18, 2012, 12:42 PM
Thats just a mental complex though. What if something better comes out tomorrow.....your phone isn't going to stop working. There are plenty of 3Gs and 4 users.

Plus saying that also means you are confined to a single system. For example those geek bench benchmarks are rating the s3 better then the iPhone 5. So in this single (meaningless) example there is something out that is already better.....that doesn't mean I have to run out and buy it.

I can understand if you want the latest and greatest. But to be worried that you won't have the best for very long? That's an issue....

Some of it is related to fear of being locked into a contract with an "old" phone. In my wife's case, she picked up a Droid 3 from Verizon last year. Within six months, the Droid 4 was out. She was then looking at another 18 months with a phone that isn't even "current" anymore. Last I heard, the Droid 5 may be rolling out? People just want to get some mileage out of their upgrade, and being "behind" for 3/4 of that contract just sucks.

There is definitely some comfort with knowing that Apple is going to release one phone a year, and your phone is guaranteed to be up-to-date (OS-wise) for the entire length of your carrier contract. That guarantee is not there with Android phones... I believe my wife's D3 is stuck on Gingerbread and my Droid never made it past Froyo (with a year left on my contract).

onthecouchagain
Sep 18, 2012, 01:08 PM
If you want updates, go Nexus. The Nexus really nullifies the argument.

One phone a year with guaranteed updates. Sounds familiar, no?

cynics
Sep 18, 2012, 01:17 PM
Some of it is related to fear of being locked into a contract with an "old" phone. In my wife's case, she picked up a Droid 3 from Verizon last year. Within six months, the Droid 4 was out. She was then looking at another 18 months with a phone that isn't even "current" anymore. Last I heard, the Droid 5 may be rolling out? People just want to get some mileage out of their upgrade, and being "behind" for 3/4 of that contract just sucks.

There is definitely some comfort with knowing that Apple is going to release one phone a year, and your phone is guaranteed to be up-to-date (OS-wise) for the entire length of your carrier contract. That guarantee is not there with Android phones... I believe my wife's D3 is stuck on Gingerbread and my Droid never made it past Froyo (with a year left on my contract).

Curious which Droid (Motorola line?) you have that's not on the latest gingerbread?

My OG droid 1 is on gingerbread. Never use it anymore though.

The Robot Cow
Sep 18, 2012, 01:34 PM
If you want updates, go Nexus. The Nexus really nullifies the argument.

One phone a year with guaranteed updates. Sounds familiar, no?

Wow i didn't even think of it that way. I've been flashing too many roms lol

Tones2
Sep 18, 2012, 02:23 PM
The biggest thing I miss going from iOS to Android is seamless syncing of music and videos.

Let me mince no words. Android syncing is an afterthought at best. I use iSyncr, which is one of the best solutions for making an Android phone sync with iTunes. It's slow and clunky. And of course there's no iCloud.

I like a lot of things about my Galaxy S3, but syncing is not one of them. Apple is far and away the market leader in that respect.

And if you have a problem with people owning multiple Apple products...well, keep in mind that you're posting to a site called Mac Rumors.

Android syncing - it's called copy and paste. Much faster. :)

0m3ga
Sep 18, 2012, 05:08 PM
Wow i didn't even think of it that way. I've been flashing too many roms lol

Or you can look at it like this...

Is there a phone out there that I can connect a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to, and use just like a computer (d4ag and drop, add, delete folders and files, work on word docs, powerpoint, etc). One that allows me to connect to a ps3 controller and play games they were meant to be played (and on a big screen tv if you so desire). A phone that allows memory expansion and a replaceable battery. One that can wirelessly and automatically sync all your bookmarks, photos, documents, videos, music and so on between your phone, mac, pc, or tablet.

There is a phone out there that does all this, but it doesn't start with the letter i

flameproof
Sep 18, 2012, 06:34 PM
"what if someone stole your phone within five minutes of putting it to sleep?")


To change or remove the code you need to input the current code first.

It's not really an annoyance to me. Fixing a no-lock to a certain wifi signal would be a sweet function though. But also not that useful in places with curious wife's.

The Robot Cow
Sep 18, 2012, 06:55 PM
Or you can look at it like this...

Is there a phone out there that I can connect a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to, and use just like a computer (d4ag and drop, add, delete folders and files, work on word docs, powerpoint, etc). One that allows me to connect to a ps3 controller and play games they were meant to be played (and on a big screen tv if you so desire). A phone that allows memory expansion and a replaceable battery. One that can wirelessly and automatically sync all your bookmarks, photos, documents, videos, music and so on between your phone, mac, pc, or tablet.

There is a phone out there that does all this, but it doesn't start with the letter i

my nexus ;)

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 18, 2012, 07:00 PM
My point of view,

Both OS's are great. However it just takes one annoying Fanboy from either side to see someone using the rival OS and stick their nose in and say "Eurgh... why don't you use Android/iOS? It's so much better blah blah blah"

I know those guys suck. They should be punished by the mobile gods and be forced to use WP8. :cool:

ixodes
Sep 18, 2012, 07:04 PM
Just think of how interesting the debate will be, once there's a third platform added :)

ek9max
Sep 19, 2012, 02:58 AM
Just because your house looks like an Apple store doesn't mean iOS is any better for anybody but you. Android is for people who want their phone to work with whatever they want, not just Apple gear.

And iOS is for people that want their phone to work at all..... Oh and it works great with apple stuff too.

Sorry. I generally just stay out of this sorta stuff. But I just keep reading your posts trashing apple and iPhone...... On an apple based web forum. It seems like you like being a villain.

I'll admit. I'm an apple fanboy. But this is after years of windows mobile then hardcore blackberry use. Even after I swayed and fell in love with the iPhone 4. I have since then bought and tried 4 different android phones. While I agree that they have nice features. The basic use of the phones are less polished and buggy.

I think android was made to be different than iPhone. And they were too focused on making it do things that the iphone cant and they forgot a lot of basic "features" like smoothness, reliability, and ease of use for the general public.

Windows phone 8 on the other hand seems like they are making it to be better than iOS. Not just different. More customization to the os and smooth and polished. Also trying I create a rival Eco system with their pic, tablet, Xbox products.

They may have a winner here. Android has huge market hate because of their wide variety in every price categorie. So will windows phone 8.

I'm curious to try it out.

tech4all
Sep 19, 2012, 03:14 AM
And they were too focused on making it do things that the iphone cant

Depends how you see it. I don't think their goal with Android was to "make it do things that iOS can't do." More like "let's make a platform that allows for customization and let user have more control over their phone."

Same result, different motive.

and they forgot a lot of basic "features" like smoothness, reliability, and ease of use for the general public.

Please explain more...

Android (Jelly Bean) is very smooth.

I've no problems whatsoever with my phone, so I'm not sure why you think they're unreliable.

Ease of use? How easy can it be? I have family who use Android and aren't "tech savvy" and they have no issues using it. In this area Android and iOS are both easy to use, it's just that Android let's you do more if you want to.

BainthaBrakk
Sep 19, 2012, 07:05 AM
iOS is like a very well behaved catholic girl that goes to church every Sunday.

Android is like a promiscuous slut that does everything.

Easy to work out which one is more reliable, and which one is more fun.

Comment of the year.

Prototypical
Sep 19, 2012, 09:27 AM
Curious which Droid (Motorola line?) you have that's not on the latest gingerbread?

My OG droid 1 is on gingerbread. Never use it anymore though.

OG Droid... I fired it up last night for the first time since I bought the 4S, checked for updates, and it maxed out at 2.2.3 (Froyo). Playing with it for 2-3 hours reminded me exactly why I moved to the iPhone. The battery went from 100% to 15% in that amount of time, and it was an absolute mess on stability and smooth transitions. The newest Google Maps is pretty slick, though.

I may still re-root it and throw that new Jelly Bean ROM on it for S&Gs. :D

ek9max
Sep 19, 2012, 10:33 AM
Depends how you see it. I don't think their goal with Android was to "make it do things that iOS can't do." More like "let's make a platform that allows for customization and let user have more control over their phone."

Same result, different motive.



Please explain more...

Android (Jelly Bean) is very smooth.

I've no problems whatsoever with my phone, so I'm not sure why you think they're unreliable.

Ease of use? How easy can it be? I have family who use Android and aren't "tech savvy" and they have no issues using it. In this area Android and iOS are both easy to use, it's just that Android let's you do more if you want to.

I've had jelly bean on a rooted galaxy nexus. And yes it is definitely improved smoothness over ics. However still not as smooth as iOS. And I shoul have been more clear. When designing early stages of android, they lacked smoothness. Which is why project butter was a project in the first place.

As for reliability. Maybe you have no issues. But every android user that I know including myself have ridiculous battery pulling issues as much as the old blackberries that we gave up years ago. From phones rebooting when receiving incoming calls to just plain freezing twice a day requiring battery pulls.

cynics
Sep 19, 2012, 10:52 AM
I reset my 4S last night and it forgot a lot of my setting, it's never done that before. It forgot I had battery percentage on, my ringtones, it's still "teaching" me how to use iOS.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/19/avete5a7.jpg

Lol

iOS decided to delete a lot of my photos once.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/19/uqy9evem.jpg

Siri is a moron

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/19/edejava9.jpg

I couldnt 'clear all'

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/19/uqybehub.jpg

I don't know what happened here. Clicking on the email crashed the mail app.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/19/pydavehe.jpg

I actually find Android (OS itself and native apps) more reliable then iOS.

However app related crashes hinders Android just as bad as iOS. There is a thread in the iOS 6 section on panorama pics and using tapatalk I can not look at those pics without it crashing tapatalk. Very frustrating...

On the PA turnpike, nooo roooaaaddd!!!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/19/neqa6uty.jpg

I fell for the "it just works" bs....lol

apierrec
Sep 19, 2012, 05:28 PM
A very good fix if you ask me. :p

Yep, agreed, perfect. :p

dojoman
Sep 19, 2012, 05:53 PM
This fight never ends. While Apple just sold their 10 millionth iPhone 5.

swpars
Sep 19, 2012, 08:40 PM
Android syncing - it's called copy and paste. Much faster. :)

Yeah, that doesn't bring over playlists or any other organizational schemes I've applied in iTunes.

No thanks.

cotak
Sep 19, 2012, 10:31 PM
I don't get a few things:

1) Why does everyone assumes that iOS is smooth? My iphone 4 was a bloody lag fest. The 3G was so annoying when it got iOS 4 I wanted to throw it at a wall a few times.
2) Why is it automatically assumed that iOS has better quality? The same iphone 4 had the location service battery eating bug for months. Drove me nuts. The 3G had TONS of bugs.
3) iOS 4 to 5 had crashes and stability issue for me when the first got introduced. That's typical apple and it's why I am still on Lion and haven't upgraded to ML yet.

Why is it that for some people they got supplied with rose tinted glasses when they got an apple product? Where's my glasses?

Stuntman06
Sep 19, 2012, 11:27 PM
Another problem i have with android is that there is always a newer and better phone around the corner. Like with motorola they just announced the razr m and hd a couple weeks ago. But now they've just announced the razr i(an intel powered razr m but not available in the usa as of now). Its good in a way that they are constantly putting out new products but not good for us consumers that may not be certain on when to buy due to that fear of "what if i do buy this phone and next couple months something even better".

That's something Apple has an advantage of imo. One phone every year.
But then again i guess you can see this either way.

I don't understand how this can be an advantage for Apple. It is 6 months after Apple released their iPhone. If you want an iOS phone, you get a 6-month old phone. It is 6 months after <insert Android manufacturer> announces their flagship device. If you want to get an Android phone, chances are there is a high-end Android phone that is less than 6 months old.

It's this "I'm sad if someone has a newer phone than I" complex that I just don't understand some Android users have. The phone you have is the same phone the day you bought it. How can the existence of a newer phone somehow make that phone you love the day you bought it suddenly suck so bad, you want to flush it down the toilet?

tbayrgs
Sep 20, 2012, 12:34 PM
I don't get a few things:

1) Why does everyone assumes that iOS is smooth? My iphone 4 was a bloody lag fest. The 3G was so annoying when it got iOS 4 I wanted to throw it at a wall a few times.
2) Why is it automatically assumed that iOS has better quality? The same iphone 4 had the location service battery eating bug for months. Drove me nuts. The 3G had TONS of bugs.
3) iOS 4 to 5 had crashes and stability issue for me when the first got introduced. That's typical apple and it's why I am still on Lion and haven't upgraded to ML yet.

Why is it that for some people they got supplied with rose tinted glasses when they got an apple product? Where's my glasses?

Most of us aren't assuming iOS is smooth because for us, it IS smooth. No OS is completely bug free and of course user experiences are going to vary but I think you find the general consensus is that iOS amongst the most smooth mobile OS. And you're complaining about using an at the time new OS on 2 year old hardware.

For every situation like yours there are tons of users who have had just the opposite experience. I've had all of the iPhones and iPads and only had to exchange one device (can't remember if it was an iPhone or iPad) at launch due to light bleed from the seem around the glass screen. I've also been lucky to have not been affected by any of the documented bugs over the past few releases of iOS.

Sorry your experience has been less than stellar but assuming we're all wearing rose colored glasses because you've had poor experiences is as bad as me assuming Apple can do no wrong because I've had very good experiences and I'd personally never assume such as thing.

onthecouchagain
Sep 21, 2012, 11:28 PM
Seems to me this is the first time I'm really beginning to see cracks in the Apple fan base. I get this sense of insecurity amongst the forums.

I think a lot of people will agree with The Verge's review of iPhone 5, particular with Josh Topolsky's take on iOS 6 in the "Software" section. I'm glad, finally, someone is offering an honest assessment of the state of iOS. And I think Josh hits the nail on the head. Everyone should read it. http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/21/3363238/iphone-5-review

Will Apple listen? Thanks to the revealing trials, we now know Apple actually pays close attention to consumers. Is it more important now than ever to have a voice... for Apple's sake?

dreamteam
Sep 22, 2012, 12:47 AM
Here's my point of view on this topic... WHO CARES!?

Why do people feel the need that they're using the best phone out there, and everyone else are idiots for using something else?

Every user has different requirements, and every phone has its strengths and weaknesses. The phone I think is a good match for me, won't be a good match for many others. Just be thankful there's alot of competition out there!

Stropaganda
Sep 22, 2012, 01:02 AM
Yeah, that doesn't bring over playlists or any other organizational schemes I've applied in iTunes.

No thanks.

Check out DoubleTwist. Not sure what it syncs and what it doesn't, but I hear great things.

http://doubletwist.com/

Irishman
Sep 22, 2012, 09:54 AM
A very good fix if you ask me. :p

I agree. IOS is mature and polished to the point where we can ask now, 5 years in, "how can Apple innovate?" It's not like the old days of iOS where we got big new features, like cut and paste, or notification center to name a couple. The feature set is pretty well baked in at this point, as it should be. I think that the largest reason some folks are complaining that Apple played it safe with iOS 6, or the hardware in the iPhone, is because tech punditry, blogging, and whatnot are personally bored from reporting on the iPhone and iOS. They're underwhelmed, so many potential phone buyers are magically underwhelmed.

Go figure.

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Just because your house looks like an Apple store doesn't mean iOS is any better for anybody but you. Android is for people who want their phone to work with whatever they want, not just Apple gear.

What kinds of things do you use your Android for that can't be done on the iPhone?

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1) I'm here because I was an iPhone user for years now. See my registration date? I've only been an Android user since June of this year.
2) I'm in the alternatives forum. How can I be trolling if I'm mostly in here?
3) I like to talk to people like me who used to have an iPhone but switched. Makes for a more interesting conversation than somebody who is pro-Android or pro-Apple. I am pro-anything that works the best for advanced users like myself.
4) I have absolutely no problem with anybody using the iPhone. I think people who don't know much about computers or smartphones should use it. I just think it's disingenuous to say, as many people do, that the iPhone is the most advanced phone when it can't even do most of what OSX can do when iOS is based on OSX.

What makes you any more advanced than the rest of us?

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At least android let's you replace your ROM...Via hacking. Hacking iOS lets you change colors and other silly things. NOTHING to improve the performance of the system. Plus, iOS is just an app drawer.:confused:

Improving system performance is a means to an end only for tweakers and tinkerers. Now, with that said, every phone user cares about performance, whether they know it or not. Everyone wants a phone that's snappy to use, that makes and keeps calls, that lets you email, text, take decent photos or videos, pulls up webpages quickly.

In that, most smart phones fulfill this bill.

Dontazemebro
Sep 22, 2012, 10:34 AM
I was in this boat a year ago, after owning a Droid for 18 months. I now own a 4S. I liken choosing a phone / ecosystem to being a car enthusiast. Some people like to buy Civics and Integras so they can completely dismantle the car and rebuild it how they want. Others buy an Audi or BMW and MAYBE tweak it here and there.

There are pros and cons to each; the tuner crowd gets to build exactly what they want, but at the expense of reliability (building a car in your garage is not the same as an engineer in a lab). The Audi crowd gets a nearly perfect car out of the box, but customization can be prohibitively expensive... so they're kind of "stuck" with what they have.

Personally, I started in the Civic (actually VW) camp. Now I'm moving towards the Audi camp, because I'd rather buy the right car for me, right out of the box. I might change wheels or suspension or little pieces here and there, but otherwise I like the car as-is. I don't have time for the Civic, "replace all the things!" mentality any more. I need my car to do what it was built to do, not sit broken in the garage. And frankly, I shouldn't HAVE to modify the car because it's too slow, or too ugly, or whatever.

</randomcarmetaphor>

Only problem with your analogy is that you're likening android out the box to a civic. If the iPhone is a Audi/BMW then android out the box is a Benz.

After customizations, then we're looking at an AMG Benz :)

rockout
Sep 25, 2012, 02:26 PM
This fight never ends. While Apple just sold their 10 millionth iPhone 5.

You gotta be careful when you start quoting numbers like that. Some Android fan, or maybe just someone looking to put it into context, might come around here and point out there's now nearly 400 million Android devices in use.

I'd hate to see that happen.

Prototypical
Sep 25, 2012, 03:09 PM
Only problem with your analogy is that you're likening android out the box to a civic. If the iPhone is a Audi/BMW then android out the box is a Benz.

After customizations, then we're looking at an AMG Benz :)

I'm comparing Android to a Civic for the customization options available as compared to Apple (Honda vs. Audi). Apple also tends to target the "luxury-minded" market, where Honda targets the more financially conservative market - ie. "Most Bang for your Buck." If you want to look at it strictly from a design standpoint, there is no way you could compare any existing Android device to the rigid, detailed, understated, luxurious style of a Benz. That's honestly more of Apple's game. Android is more like a Mini Cooper if you want to go the German "pseudo-luxury" angle.

Long story short - The iPhone tends to be a better phone for those who want to buy something perfect (for them) out of the box, and MAYBE tweak it a little if it isn't 100% perfect. Androids tend to be better phones for the people who want a solid platform to start from and customize to the hilt. There are also cars that fit those two schools of thought as well... Some are easy to strip down and build up as you see fit, where others are built for a purpose and serve that purpose well.

There is nothing wrong with either approach. There are plenty of Apple users that are fully capable of understanding and using Android to its full potential, but would rather use iOS for the simplicity, compatibility, and practicality... They likely have better things to do than tinker with their phones all the time. As I said, I used to be in the "110% customization!" camp, but I just don't have time for that any more. Life is more important to me now.

You gotta be careful when you start quoting numbers like that. Some Android fan, or maybe just someone looking to put it into context, might come around here and point out there's now nearly 400 million Android devices in use.

I'd hate to see that happen.

So just to clarify, you're implying that a comparison between a week's worth of iPhone5 sales and the sales figures of every Android device ever produced is a valid one?

dojoman
Sep 25, 2012, 03:39 PM
You gotta be careful when you start quoting numbers like that. Some Android fan, or maybe just someone looking to put it into context, might come around here and point out there's now nearly 400 million Android devices in use.

I'd hate to see that happen.

I don't remember seeing a single Android phone before iPhone was released in 2007.

mib1800
Sep 25, 2012, 11:08 PM
If I remember correctly, for last quarter Android has 68% compared to iphone 17% worldwide smartphone market share. That's 4 times of iphone. If a quarter of these are high ends then that's equal volume of iphone sold. In Europe and Asia, Android is really thrashing iphone.

Why is the Iphone losing so much ground if it is so much better than Android like some of you claimed?

Dontazemebro
Sep 26, 2012, 12:34 AM
I'm comparing Android to a Civic for the customization options available as compared to Apple (Honda vs. Audi). Apple also tends to target the "luxury-minded" market, where Honda targets the more financially conservative market - ie. "Most Bang for your Buck." If you want to look at it strictly from a design standpoint, there is no way you could compare any existing Android device to the rigid, detailed, understated, luxurious style of a Benz. That's honestly more of Apple's game. Android is more like a Mini Cooper if you want to go the German "pseudo-luxury" angle.

Long story short - The iPhone tends to be a better phone for those who want to buy something perfect (for them) out of the box, and MAYBE tweak it a little if it isn't 100% perfect. Androids tend to be better phones for the people who want a solid platform to start from and customize to the hilt. There are also cars that fit those two schools of thought as well... Some are easy to strip down and build up as you see fit, where others are built for a purpose and serve that purpose well.

There is nothing wrong with either approach. There are plenty of Apple users that are fully capable of understanding and using Android to its full potential, but would rather use iOS for the simplicity, compatibility, and practicality... They likely have better things to do than tinker with their phones all the time. As I said, I used to be in the "110% customization!" camp, but I just don't have time for that any more. Life is more important to me now.



So just to clarify, you're implying that a comparison between a week's worth of iPhone5 sales and the sales figures of every Android device ever produced is a valid one?

Still a bunk comparison because it insinuates that one far outclasses the other. Under the hood android is much more powerful so it doesn't really jive with your analogy. Furthermore, it's not all about customizing. Various people choose android because of all the different form factors available. You want a keyboard, large screen, or extra battery life. Well android has every option available for you. I know plenty of people who don't even know how to put widgets on their homescreens but they still prefer android devices because it fits their needs.

For example my mother has an android phone because it's easier for her to read text on the large screen. Plus she likes the bigger keyboard when typing.

If you want to make an analogy that fits, compare a manufacturer (Cadillac) that offers various different models at different price points to one that only specializes on 1 model (hummer) every year.

.macbookpro.
Sep 26, 2012, 05:20 PM
If I remember correctly, for last quarter Android has 68% compared to iphone 17% worldwide smartphone market share. That's 4 times of iphone. If a quarter of these are high ends then that's equal volume of iphone sold. In Europe and Asia, Android is really thrashing iphone.

Why is the Iphone losing so much ground if it is so much better than Android like some of you claimed?

Because android have the cheap end of the smartphone range, and iphone is only 4 devices while android is thousands. Comparing samsung to apple in terms of smartphone sales is much fairer.

As a note, ive had an android phone for 2 years now, and an ipod touch for the same time. I jailbroke my itouch and it was very easy to do. I feel i'm too scared to try and flash my androids devices rom, and i would say im very tech savy

The Robot Cow
Sep 26, 2012, 06:34 PM
Android has a huge portion of the smartphone market, but if i remember correctly the iPhone is still the best selling phone. 500 million android devices have been activated. But what's the most popular phone? The iPhone. People go crazy for the iPhone. I wouldn't expect people to wait days in line just for a phone but they do it for the iPhone. Not to mention they have the best accessories out there