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onthecouchagain
Sep 26, 2012, 07:14 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/google-play-hits-25-billion-app-downloads/

Soon, this, too, will no longer be a talking point.

"With today's announcement, it was revealed that 675,000 apps and games now live in Google Play. Apple still claims the largest selection with 700,000 titles in its App Store..."



r0k
Sep 26, 2012, 07:29 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/google-play-hits-25-billion-app-downloads/

Soon, this, too, will no longer be a talking point.

"With today's announcement, it was revealed that 675,000 apps and games now live in Google Play. Apple still claims the largest selection with 700,000 titles in its App Store..."

I think soon has already arrived. Appshopper shows 677K iOS apps. There are 600K for iPhone, 280k for iPad, and 11k for OSX. There is some obvious overlap between iPad and iPhone that implies about 2/3 of those 280k iPad apps are universal apps.

I knew it was only a matter of time before the Android store passed the iOS store in sheer number of apps. This is a two edged sword that actually puts Apple at a disadvantage when iOS users can't get fundamental and useful apps like Wifi Analyzer without resorting to jailbreaking and Cydia while at the same time it puts Apple at an advantage as there are no known malware apps in the iOS app store.

zbarvian
Sep 26, 2012, 07:34 AM
This speaks nothing to the quality of apps on each platform. Anybody with a computer can make an app for Android, and since the platform is much less profitable, developers often prioritize their resources and time with IOS. I'm generalizing, but Android apps really aren't to the same level of fit and finish as iOS apps, also due to Android's fragmentation.

I think the Play Store is actually quite horrid; it's rife with garbage. Don't even get me started on malware.

daveathall
Sep 26, 2012, 07:44 AM
This speaks nothing to the quality of apps on each platform. Anybody with a computer can make an app for Android, and since the platform is much less profitable, developers often prioritize their resources and time with IOS. I'm generalizing, but Android apps really aren't to the same level of fit and finish as iOS apps, also due to Android's fragmentation.

I think the Play Store is actually quite horrid; it's rife with garbage. Don't even get me started on malware.

I have a GS3 and a iP5. Your fragmentation argument is now moot, how many apps will show completely on the full 4" of the iP5? Not that many (most of the ones I have now show with black borders). All the apps I have for my S3 fit perfectly and are of the same quality as the iOS apps.

zbarvian
Sep 26, 2012, 08:09 AM
I have a GS3 and a iP5. Your fragmentation argument is now moot, how many apps will show completely on the full 4" of the iP5? Not that many (most of the ones I have now show with black borders). All the apps I have for my S3 fit perfectly and are of the same quality as the iOS apps.

The black bordering is a temporary inconvenience. And honestly you can't make a reasonable argument that App Store apps = Android apps in quality and polish. You need to compare and contrast the stores and apps side-by-side.

MacBH928
Sep 26, 2012, 08:29 AM
The number of apps does not mean anything. it is the quality of the apps.

This is known as "shovelware" in the console world. For all i care, those 670,000 apps can be all apps that will play sounds when u press different buttons like "Arnold quotes " .

Its the quality of the apps and variety. Still no one would say who has better quality apps, but to me looks like it is the iOS. But I could be dead wrong.

If any one here is a long time mac user, Apple used to have ads back around 98-99 I believe, saying that even though Windows has more apps those apps are worthless and its about quality and all the major apps are supported and have a mac version like photoshop and quicken.

I am still looking for that ad on video...cant find it

Stropaganda
Sep 26, 2012, 08:36 AM
The number of apps does not mean anything. it is the quality of the apps.

This is known as "shovelware" in the console world. For all i care, those 670,000 apps can be all apps that will play sounds when u press different buttons like "Arnold quotes " .

Its the quality of the apps and variety. Still no one would say who has better quality apps, but to me looks like it is the iOS. But I could be dead wrong.

If any one here is a long time mac user, Apple used to have ads back around 98-99 I believe, saying that even though Windows has more apps those apps are worthless and its about quality and all the major apps are supported and have a mac version like photoshop and quicken.

I am still looking for that ad on video...cant find it

The black bordering is a temporary inconvenience. And honestly you can't make a reasonable argument that App Store apps = Android apps in quality and polish. You need to compare and contrast the stores and apps side-by-side.

I would say that android has all the major apps down pat with equal quality to iOS. I cannot tell the difference, at least for a stock jellybean Nexus.

onthecouchagain
Sep 26, 2012, 08:55 AM
No contention there. Quality of apps is a big deal and will be a sticking point for Android and developers. I think most of the mainstream apps are pretty even, but there is certainly room for improvement overall.

The point, though, is that as Play Store apps proliferate and the user base grows and downloads more and more, developers will see the swing.

We're seeing a shift.

daveathall
Sep 26, 2012, 08:56 AM
The black bordering is a temporary inconvenience. And honestly you can't make a reasonable argument that App Store apps = Android apps in quality and polish. You need to compare and contrast the stores and apps side-by-side.

The black bordering is temporary but it is fragmentation. You know, what you accused Android of in your previous post. So let me get this straight, when its Android it is fragmentation, when it's Apple it is a temporary inconvenience? Yeh right.

I can make a side by side comparison between the apps I have on my iPhone 5 and my Galaxy S3 and I find them comparable in quality. Have you got both operating systems so that you can do a side by side comparison?

Carouser
Sep 26, 2012, 10:01 AM
So let me get this straight, when its Android it is fragmentation, when it's Apple it is a temporary inconvenience?

This is pretty accurate from a developer's point of view, actually, when you consider exactly what has to be accommodated.

ChazUK
Sep 26, 2012, 10:15 AM
Can someone point me to this iOS/Android app quality discrepancy?
All of the staple apps I use are the same quality on Android compared to iOS and I can't actually say I use an app I hate on either OS due to clunkiness or poor aesthetics.

I find most of my Android apps easier to use thanks to the way third party applications can hook into the "share" function of Android and also the way different default applications can be set (which is totally limited on iOS).

http://blogs.computerworld.com/sites/computerworld.com/files/u177/android-41-jelly-bean-share.jpg http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1219228/complete-action-android-41-jelly-bean-ss-16-verge-300.jpg

Anyone have any specific examples of Android applications which just plain suck on Android compared to iOS?

zbarvian
Sep 26, 2012, 12:29 PM
The black bordering is temporary but it is fragmentation. You know, what you accused Android of in your previous post. So let me get this straight, when its Android it is fragmentation, when it's Apple it is a temporary inconvenience? Yeh right.

I can make a side by side comparison between the apps I have on my iPhone 5 and my Galaxy S3 and I find them comparable in quality. Have you got both operating systems so that you can do a side by side comparison?

I'm talking about the huge portion of Android phones running out-of-date software, the wide spectrum of hardware/screen sizes/form factors/aspect ratios, etc. The iPhone may have fragmentation, but it is to a negligible degree when compared to Android.

And the primary apps may be almost equivalent, but many get updated first on iOS. And I don't only use "main" apps. I have high-quality music software that is non-existent on Android. Trust me, I've looked. There are way more good applications on iOS than there are on Android. Try to disagree with that, it's not possible.

daveathall
Sep 26, 2012, 12:37 PM
I'm talking about the huge portion of Android phones running out-of-date software, the wide spectrum of hardware/screen sizes/form factors/aspect ratios, etc. The iPhone may have fragmentation, but it is to a negligible degree when compared to Android.

And the primary apps may be almost equivalent, but many get updated first on iOS. And I don't only use "main" apps. I have high-quality music software that is non-existent on Android. Trust me, I've looked. There are way more good applications on iOS than there are on Android. Try to disagree with that, it's not possible.

You may have some good discussion points, (few of the above comments qualify) however, I find it difficult to take you seriously when you perceive everything Apple as good and everything Android as bad. There is just no middle ground, I don't know why you bother coming to this forum.

Carouser
Sep 26, 2012, 12:46 PM
You may have some good discussion points, (few of the above comments qualify) however, I find it difficult to take you seriously when you perceive everything Apple as good and everything Android as bad. There is just no middle ground, I don't know why you bother coming to this forum.

Do you have anything substantive to say on the actual topic or the arguments zbarvian presented?

ChazUK
Sep 26, 2012, 12:46 PM
And the primary apps may be almost equivalent, but many get updated first on iOS.

Define "almost equivalent"?

For me - android has some superior "primary" applications due to their added functionality.

Last.fm app - realtime scrobbling of music tracks on device played in many media players. The iOS last.fm app lacks this functionality.

Twitter, Dropbox, Instagram, Google Drive, Facebook, Box (and many others) which hook into the "share" functionality of the OS meaning any web browser, file browser, gallery, document creation software and more can "share" to other sources within any other application.

This is one of my favourite features of Android as I can be browsing pictures in my galley, hit share then "Instagram" and share a picture directly from my gallery which is limited to Mail, Messages, Twitter and Facebook on my iPad and iPhone. To do the same on iOS I'd have to exit the pictures app, fire up instagram, browse to the picture I was just looking at again then share it from the instagram application itself - a bit more cumbersome IMO, especially with large picture collections on device.

Another good use of the share functionality is via Pocket (http://getpocket.com/a/). If I'm browsing and see an article I wan't to share to Pocket (which will sync across my iOS and Android devices) I simply hit "share" then "Add to pocket". I can then later read it on my iPhone, iPad, Nexus 7 or Galaxy Nexus.

Yes there are some great exclusive iOS applications (GarageBand is untouchable IMO) but the cross platform apps are either on a level playing field or (for me) better on my Android hardware.

Are there any specific cross platform applications you can show me that I'll be thrilled at on my iPhone which will make me cry using it on my Galaxy Nexus?

daveathall
Sep 26, 2012, 12:51 PM
Do you have anything substantive to say on the actual topic or the arguments zbarvian presented?

Do you? my discussion was earlier in the thread, my reply was aimed at zbarvian, do you speak for him?

Carouser
Sep 26, 2012, 12:56 PM
Do you? my discussion was earlier in the thread, my reply was aimed at zbarvian, do you speak for him?

People who bother to defend their points (even if I disagree) and do so without invective are worth reading and responding to. People who cop out by saying the things you did aren't. I keep a well-pruned ignore list for a reason, and am just looking to make the right decision here.

daveathall
Sep 26, 2012, 01:04 PM
People who bother to defend their points (even if I disagree) and do so without invective are worth reading and responding to. People who cop out by saying the things you did aren't. I keep a well-pruned ignore list for a reason, and am just looking to make the right decision here.

You disagree with my assessment of his posts, that's fair enough, but that is the way I see it, I suppose my post could be considered harsh, but nevertheless, that is my opinion.

sarcosis
Sep 26, 2012, 01:11 PM
Define "almost equivalent"?

For me - android has some superior "primary" applications due to their added functionality.

Last.fm app - realtime scrobbling of music tracks on device played in many media players. The iOS last.fm app lacks this functionality.

Twitter, Dropbox, Instagram, Google Drive, Facebook, Box (and many others) which hook into the "share" functionality of the OS meaning any web browser, file browser, gallery, document creation software and more can "share" to other sources within any other application.

This is one of my favourite features of Android as I can be browsing pictures in my galley, hit share then "Instagram" and share a picture directly from my gallery which is limited to Mail, Messages, Twitter and Facebook on my iPad and iPhone. To do the same on iOS I'd have to exit the pictures app, fire up instagram, browse to the picture I was just looking at again then share it from the instagram application itself - a bit more cumbersome IMO, especially with large picture collections on device.

Another good use of the share functionality is via Pocket (http://getpocket.com/a/). If I'm browsing and see an article I wan't to share to Pocket (which will sync across my iOS and Android devices) I simply hit "share" then "Add to pocket". I can then later read it on my iPhone, iPad, Nexus 7 or Galaxy Nexus.

Yes there are some great exclusive iOS applications (GarageBand is untouchable IMO) but the cross platform apps are either on a level playing field or (for me) better on my Android hardware.

Are there any specific cross platform applications you can show me that I'll be thrilled at on my iPhone which will make me cry using it on my Galaxy Nexus?

I do love the way Android does the sharing thing. I wish iOS would do something similar. They are getting there, but the only option to share in iOS is with baked in services and nothing as extensible as ICS or JB.

Southernboyj
Sep 26, 2012, 01:15 PM
Can someone point me to this iOS/Android app quality discrepancy?
All of the staple apps I use are the same quality on Android compared to iOS and I can't actually say I use an app I hate on either OS due to clunkiness or poor aesthetics.

I find most of my Android apps easier to use thanks to the way third party applications can hook into the "share" function of Android and also the way different default applications can be set (which is totally limited on iOS).

Image (http://blogs.computerworld.com/sites/computerworld.com/files/u177/android-41-jelly-bean-share.jpg) Image (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1219228/complete-action-android-41-jelly-bean-ss-16-verge-300.jpg)

Anyone have any specific examples of Android applications which just plain suck on Android compared to iOS?

There is only 1 app of the top of my head that is good on iOS and completely sucks on Android. Facebook.

I know the Facebook app sucks because the Android version is still coded in HTML5 instead of Objective C... but man, Facebook needs to update that.

zbarvian
Sep 26, 2012, 01:19 PM
You may have some good discussion points, (few of the above comments qualify) however, I find it difficult to take you seriously when you perceive everything Apple as good and everything Android as bad. There is just no middle ground, I don't know why you bother coming to this forum.

I don't perceive everything Apple as good and everything Android as bad. Not even close. I bemoan the flaws in both platforms.

ChazUK
Sep 26, 2012, 01:27 PM
There is only 1 app of the top of my head that is good on iOS and completely sucks on Android. Facebook.

I know the Facebook app sucks because the Android version is still coded in HTML5 instead of Objective C... but man, Facebook needs to update that.

That is a good example there. Luckily, I don't use Facebook so I can't "test" that one. :D

The transition from the HTML5 iOS app to a native one has been a hugely popular move from what I've been reading.

ITS ME DAVID
Sep 26, 2012, 01:35 PM
Half of those apps are quality apps the other half are terrible

Dr McKay
Sep 26, 2012, 01:39 PM
There is only 1 app of the top of my head that is good on iOS and completely sucks on Android. Facebook.

I know the Facebook app sucks because the Android version is still coded in HTML5 instead of Objective C... but man, Facebook needs to update that.

Facebook is developing a native Android app for Facebook.

Gatecrasher1875
Sep 26, 2012, 02:02 PM
I just moved to Android and every app I had on my iPhone was available to me on Android, the apps are every bit as good, so I don't feel the quality of the apps should be an issue.

sixteen12
Sep 26, 2012, 02:20 PM
I just moved to Android and every app I had on my iPhone was available to me on Android, the apps are every bit as good, so I don't feel the quality of the apps should be an issue.

Its not i 90% of cases.

flopticalcube
Sep 26, 2012, 02:28 PM
Its funny that under OS X the number of apps don't matter but under iOS its something to be trumpeted. The truth is that, for the vast majority, both platforms can satisfy every need.

ChazUK
Sep 26, 2012, 02:32 PM
I have an iPhone and Galaxy Nexus ready to try all these better iOS app versions on and so far only Facebook has been suggested (which I don't use:D).

Any other cross platform apps that will be better on my iPhone by default? :confused:

Dontazemebro
Sep 26, 2012, 04:54 PM
Also they're having a sale on certain popular apps & games in the play store to celebrate their 25 billion download milestone.

All you can eat . 25 cents smorgasbord. (per app so don't get carried away)

Each day they'll be adding different apps (lasts 5 days) so get In while you can.

MacBH928
Sep 26, 2012, 08:42 PM
I cant comment onquality of the apps as I didnt test the android platform , but I can definately see a shift. So many downloads on the Google play store .

flameproof
Sep 26, 2012, 09:13 PM
The number of apps does not mean anything. it is the quality of the apps.

And you think iOS is better? I tried plenty of really terrible iOS apps. Most of the apps I install I either keep less then 5 Minutes or never use (horrible interface).

I guess this would not change with Android. But Android has more basic functionality then iOS.

One specific, and really annoying example:

I use dropbox a lot. In Android I can open a TXT file and edit it with a native editor. In iOS and need to use an special 3rd party app and save it back to dropbox.

My point is, either number is meaningless. Even WP7 with their probably <200,000 are perfectly OK too.

Vegastouch
Sep 26, 2012, 09:28 PM
This speaks nothing to the quality of apps on each platform. Anybody with a computer can make an app for Android, and since the platform is much less profitable, developers often prioritize their resources and time with IOS. I'm generalizing, but Android apps really aren't to the same level of fit and finish as iOS apps, also due to Android's fragmentation.

I think the Play Store is actually quite horrid; it's rife with garbage. Don't even get me started on malware.

:rolleyes: There are some pretty good apps in there whether or not you want to admit it.
For me it doesnt matter how many apps in in each app store. I only use a small fraction of them and the ones i use work really good or i would just delete them.

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Also they're having a sale on certain popular apps & games in the play store to celebrate their 25 billion download milestone.

All you can eat . 25 cents smorgasbord. (per app so don't get carried away)

Each day they'll be adding different apps (lasts 5 days) so get In while you can.

Right now just 14 showing for .25 cents and none of those interest me. Im sure there will be though in the next few days. I wouldnt call it all you can eat but last time they had them for .10 cents, i got me a good handfull.

zbarvian
Sep 26, 2012, 09:46 PM
:rolleyes: There are some pretty good apps in there whether or not you want to admit it.
For me it doesnt matter how many apps in in each app store. I only use a small fraction of them and the ones i use work really good or i would just delete theml.

I agree it's not a numbers game, but Apple's apps arrive first, are more polished and less buggy, more consistent in design (often better looking) and are the first to get upgrades. I've used both stores, and there are good apps on Android, but iOS still seems just leagues ahead in my opinion.

Technarchy
Sep 26, 2012, 09:53 PM
Now you just have to pray the app actually runs on your phone, and if it does, that it doesn't force close or freeze your phone because the app isn't optimized for your hardware on any level.

Stropaganda
Sep 26, 2012, 10:13 PM
Now you just have to pray the app actually runs on your phone, and if it does, that it doesn't force close or freeze your phone because the app isn't optimized for your hardware on any level.

Doesn't this only happen if you have an old-as-hell Android phone with crappy specs? As a Galaxy Nexus user, this has never been an issue.

onthecouchagain
Sep 26, 2012, 10:22 PM
Doesn't this only happen if you have an old-as-hell Android phone with crappy specs? As a Galaxy Nexus user, this has never been an issue.

Technarchy only uses old Android devices to compare. How else could he pretend the problems of yesteryear are as relevant today?

And you hit the nail on the head. If anyone's that worried about fragmentation and updates, the Nexus line solves that problem. One device a year, guaranteed updates. Sounds very familiar.

mib1800
Sep 27, 2012, 01:23 AM
Seems like most who said iOS apps are better don't give any examples how the iOS apps are better.

I find the Android apps are usually more functional than iOS equivalents. Reasons:-

- ability to receive share content from any sources (e.g. facebook, g+, tw, etc)
- auto update/upload is possible with true multi-tasking. (e.g. google+ can upload photos in the background without activating app, skype status update, auto checkin etc).
- better functionality without restriction (e.g. opera mini, media player, browsers, google maps, youtube).
- better and more efficient UI design. (e.g. swipe to move betw. pages instead of tapping the nav buttons. And also less screen wastage without need of onscreen nav and command buttons like iOS).

If that is not enough, Google Playstore is much better than App Store (PC/web-based installation, better search, overall smoother workflow)

Gatecrasher1875
Sep 27, 2012, 03:50 AM
Its not i 90% of cases.

Could you provide some examples? I would like to have a look.

daveathall
Sep 27, 2012, 04:26 AM
Besides the Apple TV remote, the only app I find to be better on iOS is 1Password Pro, it seems to be read only on Android, on iOS it is more intuitive and can be synced between my iPhone, iPad and MBP. It is the only one that I have found though.

TheMacBookPro
Sep 27, 2012, 06:42 AM
A year or two ago, there were dramatically more apps on the App Store compared to Google's Market.
Android fans go 'but half of those apps are worthless!'

Now, the number of apps on Google Play are on-par to, or equal to, the App Store.
iOS fans go 'but half of those apps are worthless!'

sixteen12
Sep 27, 2012, 07:26 AM
Could you provide some examples? I would like to have a look.

Well I'm saying most of the time its not an issue. I could find an app to do what I wanted, 90% of the time its worked exactly right, if not its worked mostly right with some workwarounds, etc.

FrankieUK
Sep 27, 2012, 08:21 AM
Seriously, iOs users find an excuse for everything and i mean EVERYTHING.

I loove google play store and millions more do.

Gatecrasher1875
Sep 27, 2012, 08:37 AM
Well I'm saying most of the time its not an issue. I could find an app to do what I wanted, 90% of the time its worked exactly right, if not its worked mostly right with some workwarounds, etc.

My apologies I thought you meant the opposite of that

onthecouchagain
Sep 27, 2012, 09:05 AM
Seems like most who said iOS apps are better don't give any examples how the iOS apps are better.

I find the Android apps are usually more functional than iOS equivalents. Reasons:-

- ability to receive share content from any sources (e.g. facebook, g+, tw, etc)
- auto update/upload is possible with true multi-tasking. (e.g. google+ can upload photos in the background without activating app, skype status update, auto checkin etc).
- better functionality without restriction (e.g. opera mini, media player, browsers, google maps, youtube).
- better and more efficient UI design. (e.g. swipe to move betw. pages instead of tapping the nav buttons. And also less screen wastage without need of onscreen nav and command buttons like iOS).

If that is not enough, Google Playstore is much better than App Store (PC/web-based installation, better search, overall smoother workflow)


Not to mention the dedicated back button and menu buttons.

I tried to tinker with some Gmail settings on my iPad the other day and it told me to go to the iOS Settings. :T