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snowboarder
Sep 29, 2012, 02:48 PM
OK, two updates and nothing has improved. It takes HOURS to backup
a couple of GBs on my new 2012 MBA.
I didn't update any of my other computers to ML and I won't do it.
This seems to be another sad Apple joke :(



CatsTide
Sep 29, 2012, 02:51 PM
Slow router?

GGJstudios
Sep 29, 2012, 02:51 PM
I prefer Carbon Copy Cloner (http://www.bombich.com/) for backups.

McGiord
Sep 29, 2012, 02:53 PM
Wireless connection to the destination HDD? Or using a cable?

Mr. McMac
Sep 29, 2012, 03:02 PM
I prefer Carbon Copy Cloner (http://www.bombich.com/) for backups.

Same here. It works flawlessly

snowboarder
Sep 29, 2012, 03:20 PM
Wireless connection to the destination HDD? Or using a cable?

usb3 connected drive

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I prefer Carbon Copy Cloner (http://www.bombich.com/) for backups.

Thank you. I'm gonna switch today, so sick of this stupid time machine
issue. I'm honestly really sick of many latest Apple f@...
You have all that cash and you can't make anything simply work?
Don't get me started on quicktime gamma shift, FCP, etc, etc

snowboarder
Sep 29, 2012, 03:47 PM
update: doing my original clone on ccc - speed ~2GB/minute (!)
Time Machine did 2GBs in 4 hours... what a sad joke...

Krazy Bill
Sep 29, 2012, 04:28 PM
+1 for CCC.

I just plug in a cable and let it do its thing each day in silent mode. Growl tells me when it's done. ONE time I had to rely on my clone to do a complete restore. But that was hours well saved.

McGiord
Sep 29, 2012, 05:22 PM
I don't use Time Machine either, old school clone backup CCC

scottsjack
Sep 29, 2012, 09:45 PM
I prefer Carbon Copy Cloner (http://www.bombich.com/) for backups.

+2

Each one of my MP internal drives has an external CCC backup via FW800, works absolutely great though not as fast as USB3/eSATA/TB.

Also the boot drive backs up to a Time Capsule with Time Machine. That also works perfectly. All Macs including the MBP are connected by Ethernet. File transfers, backups and downloads are soooooooo much faster over gigabit Ethernet than with Wifi.

iThinkergoiMac
Sep 29, 2012, 10:08 PM
I use both. TimeMachine is great. It's slow because of how it sets up all the hard links. Especially the initial setup takes a while. But what do you care if it takes so long? Just delay the backup if you need to, it backs up every hour. It's not like it can't back up overnight.

TM is slow, there's no getting around it. But it is quite effective.

xlii
Sep 30, 2012, 05:39 AM
Time Machine has saved me several times and I've used it since the day it came out. I don't understand why it took you so long. I just did an initial Time Machine backup of 750 GB on a 2009 MBP and it took 4.5 hours over FW800.

fivenotrump
Sep 30, 2012, 10:02 AM
Hours to backup a couple of GB? There is something amiss, and it's not Time Machine itself I'd hazard...

Krazy Bill
Sep 30, 2012, 10:26 AM
Hours to backup a couple of GB? There is something amiss, and it's not Time Machine itself I'd hazard...Admittedly, I don't use it now but there was a time I did use it religiously. TM has been taking longer with every iteration of OSX since I can remember. It seems to churn, spit and stutter a lot before doing the actual backup. Granted, there's a lot for it to grind out before determining which files to back up but I don't know what would have changed to make ML worse.

Skoopman
Oct 1, 2012, 04:59 AM
Admittedly, I don't use it now but there was a time I did use it religiously. TM has been taking longer with every iteration of OSX since I can remember. It seems to churn, spit and stutter a lot before doing the actual backup. Granted, there's a lot for it to grind out before determining which files to back up but I don't know what would have changed to make ML worse.

I subscribe to this. Under Lion TM would backup nearly instantaneously, now it searches a lot for the backup drive and does a lot more cleaning up.

b-rad g
Oct 1, 2012, 07:34 AM
My Time Capsule backd up ~4GB recently over WiFi in about 10 minutes. Me thinks something might be wrong on your end.

AdeFowler
Oct 1, 2012, 07:49 AM
I use SuperDuper at the end of each day. I also use Time Machine as it's a decent way to quickly retrieve an old version of a file. Being the paranoid type I also back up to CrashPlan constantly.

waynep
Oct 1, 2012, 08:34 AM
I use SuperDuper at the end of each day. I also use Time Machine as it's a decent way to quickly retrieve an old version of a file. Being the paranoid type I also back up to CrashPlan constantly.

I am with you on the backups. But I don't call it being paranoid, just keeping the data safe.

elistan
Oct 1, 2012, 08:49 AM
OK, two updates and nothing has improved. It takes HOURS to backup
a couple of GBs on my new 2012 MBA.
I didn't update any of my other computers to ML and I won't do it.
This seems to be another sad Apple joke :(

When I first updated to ML on my iMac, TM was indeed pathetically slow when using my previously configured backup location (Time Capsule over gig-e.) So much so that I didn't think I'd ever be able to get a good backup. I ended up wiping the TC and re-establishingg a new TM backup. Everything went blazing fast after that. I think there's possibly a bug in how TM in ML connects to a sparse bundle file that was created with L or SL.

Fishrrman
Oct 1, 2012, 09:08 AM
Here's one more vote for CarbonCopyCloner.

It is SUPERIOR to Time Machine -- no ifs, ands, or buts.

CCC will create a BOOTABLE backup that will prove itself the first time you have "a moment of extreme need" -- say, you turn on the computer and it won't start, try again to no avail, etc.

With a bootable backup, you'll be alive again in a couple of minutes, and able to work on your problem drive. With a TM "backup" your options will be severely limited.

TM creates the illusion of "easy backup", and it actually is just that -- very easy to backup, just flick the switch in System Prefs and you're all set, right? The problem is when things go wrong, and the user tries to access the TM backup, and..... can't.

CCC is the better way to go. It requires just a bit more thought and effort at the beginning of the backup process -- but delivers its rewards "at the other end", when you really NEED them.

ScoobyMcDoo
Oct 1, 2012, 10:06 AM
I use a combination of the two myself. I usually only use CCC just before I make big changes like an OS upgrade. The one thing I use time machine for is when I need to revert a single file back to a previous date. I may be wrong, but I don't think CCC has the ability to keep multiple revisions of each file.

Booch21
Oct 1, 2012, 10:14 AM
I've switched to using TM on a 3 TB FireWire drive and it works great. I have it backing up the main drive and a second external drive with no issues. Except for the initial backup, it only backs up the changed data which doesn't take all that long.

AdeFowler
Oct 1, 2012, 11:12 AM
Here's one more vote for CarbonCopyCloner.

It is SUPERIOR to Time Machine -- no ifs, ands, or buts.


but Time Machine is better if I need to retrieve a version of an Indesign file from 2 months ago. Something I had to do this morning ;)

GGJstudios
Oct 1, 2012, 11:42 AM
but Time Machine is better if I need to retrieve a version of an Indesign file from 2 months ago. Something I had to do this morning ;)
You may not be aware that you can do the same thing with CCC.

spda242
Oct 1, 2012, 01:12 PM
usb3 connected drive

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Thank you. I'm gonna switch today, so sick of this stupid time machine
issue. I'm honestly really sick of many latest Apple f@...
You have all that cash and you can't make anything simply work?
Don't get me started on quicktime gamma shift, FCP, etc, etc

I'm not sure if you should blame Apple for that one! Initial TM backup can be slow but NOT that slow. I am using TM with a Mac mini 2011/USB2 Disk/Mnt Lion and have had no problem. I have not seen any huge amount of problems in forums wither.

I have seen several people having performance problems with Nas storage like WDC MyBook Live for which I couldn't get to work, performance was as horrible as you describe if it worked at all.

My guess there is something on your end but if CCC does it job, USE IT. It is a great software!

mmomega
Oct 1, 2012, 08:15 PM
I've always done my initial TM backups via Ethernet and leave them on WiFi afterwards. I haven't had a problem with the speed most of the time I don't even notice what it is going on.

Does TM use minimal bandwidth so that it doesn't take away from normal usage?

I have 2 computers backing up via Ethernet 24/7 and 3 more on Wifi and so far it does it's job so i can't complain right now.
Basically it's job is for me to not have to worry about it day to day until I need to restore something and it is delivering.

Now I did mod my TM and switched internal drives so if that had any impact I'm not sure.

hexonxonx
Oct 1, 2012, 08:49 PM
Time Machine has saved me several times and I've used it since the day it came out. I don't understand why it took you so long. I just did an initial Time Machine backup of 750 GB on a 2009 MBP and it took 4.5 hours over FW800.

Another vote for Time Machine. Never had an issue with it. It does what it does well.

snowboarder
Oct 1, 2012, 09:28 PM
Good for you guys, if it works for you.
It doesn't work on my brand new Apple model released in 2012.
I don't do anything strange, don't route my connection through
a glass of water... It simply does not work.

chrono1081
Oct 1, 2012, 09:38 PM
+1 for Time Machine. Works fine for me and has saved me a few times.

Vandefilm
Oct 2, 2012, 06:11 AM
First time i used time machine is took 1,5 hour to back up 80 gig. After that it seemed to take seconds.

elistan
Oct 2, 2012, 07:47 AM
Good for you guys, if it works for you.
It doesn't work on my brand new Apple model released in 2012.
I don't do anything strange, don't route my connection through
a glass of water... It simply does not work.

Are you backing up to a pre-existing Time Machine backup? Or is this an entirely new TM backup onto an empty volume?

snowboarder
Oct 2, 2012, 08:16 AM
Are you backing up to a pre-existing Time Machine backup? Or is this an entirely new TM backup onto an empty volume?

After I updated my MBA to ML, I used my existing TM usb3 drive.
It took something like 4 hours to backup a few GBs.
So I formatted the drive and started the brand new TM.
The original backup took for ever, probably something like 20-30 hours...
Following backups were also slow as hell.
It has been discussed here before, I'm not the only one with this problem.
Nothing has changed with two ML updates.

CCC took half an hour to do the original 80GB backup on the same drive
I reformatted to use with it.

laudern
Oct 2, 2012, 08:24 AM
Here is what I have found.

For a few months ive been using a Time Capsule with TM, and I would only turn my TC on once a week and do a backup wirelessly. The backup was usually around the 20gig mark and it would pretty much take 8hrs or so to do. Slow as ****

Lately I have just been leaving my TC turned on all the time and my TM is set to backup every hour or so and now it takes next to no time to back up.

snowboarder
Oct 2, 2012, 10:12 AM
Maybe, but it's pretty much impossible to do with a laptop...

marzer
Oct 2, 2012, 10:51 AM
I'm not sure if you should blame Apple for that one! Initial TM backup can be slow but NOT that slow. I am using TM with a Mac mini 2011/USB2 Disk/Mnt Lion and have had no problem. I have not seen any huge amount of problems in forums wither.

I have seen several people having performance problems with Nas storage like WDC MyBook Live for which I couldn't get to work, performance was as horrible as you describe if it worked at all.

My guess there is something on your end but if CCC does it job, USE IT. It is a great software!

I agree. The OP should probably troubleshoot the drive or something. I've been using TM over wireless to a TC for years, it'll do a couple GB in couple minutes. I also use it with a FW800 external drive, and its very fast, ten's of GB's in a few minutes.

elistan
Oct 2, 2012, 11:15 AM
After I updated my MBA to ML, I used my existing TM usb3 drive.
It took something like 4 hours to backup a few GBs.
So I formatted the drive and started the brand new TM.
The original backup took for ever, probably something like 20-30 hours...
Following backups were also slow as hell.
It has been discussed here before, I'm not the only one with this problem.
Nothing has changed with two ML updates.

CCC took half an hour to do the original 80GB backup on the same drive
I reformatted to use with it.

Bummer, sorry to hear that. I had the same issue after the ML update - but wiping the drive and starting over restored speeds to their previous quickness. :confused:

elistan
Oct 4, 2012, 03:46 PM
I find this... amusing... :confused:

The OS X v10.7.5 Supplemental Update is recommended for all users running OS X Lion v10.7.5 and includes the following fixes:

- Resolves an issue that may cause Time Machine backups to take a very long time to complete

iMag
Oct 4, 2012, 10:57 PM
Im using time machine for the first time. I have a Buffalo 1tb external hardrive and it took me about 30min to backup 75gb. This HD is usb 3 (I have a macbook air mid 2012).

The problem is the encryptation, it is taking hours!!!!

And I cant stop it.

What happens if I shutdown the Mac? Is there a way to stop? And revert this process?