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MacBH928
Oct 2, 2012, 11:52 AM
I have never seen an Android tablets. I am guessing its just an Android phone with a huge screen, just like the iPad is an iphone with a huge screen.

While I have seen many people prefer Android phones over iphones, infact I heard that S3 is the most successful smart phone sales wise, I dont hear the same oing for Android tablets.

Why do you think that we still have not seen an Android tablet that competes aggressively against the iPad like the S3 is competing against iphone?



paulsalter
Oct 2, 2012, 12:11 PM
I see a mixture of both around, not sure how accurate these figures are but they look genuine

http://www.zdnet.com/new-activation-numbers-show-android-tablets-catching-up-to-ipad-7000003898/

It does show iPad still along way in front, but Android tablets are doing pretty good

MacRumorUser
Oct 2, 2012, 12:17 PM
You have never heard of the Amazon Kindle Fire ? Nexus 7 ? Samsung Galaxy Tab ?


There are a rake of good Tablets with android...

The problem however is there is also an absolute ***** load of Android Tablets that are so basic specced (because they are sold cheap) but they make the Android experience one that is better 'not experienced'....

I got a phone call today from someone asking me what did I think of the prestigo multipad pro, as they were told by Staff in Harvey Normans that it was better than an iPad because it had a memory card holder, and it could display more pixels than an ipad could, and the iPad can't be connected to a camera for viewing photos...

I checked the specs and had to tell the person Harvey Normans were bulshitting them. That it was single core and under powered, whilst it had same resolution as iPad 2 it did not best the iPad 3... Fact's that the shops 'experts' failed to even tell the customer.

So much misinformation to sell a poor device but with bigger store profit margins, which if the customer did purchase, they would have had a crappy choppy experience of Android and one that gave a bad impression of what Android Tablets can do.


I told them if they wanted an Android tablet on a budget to get the Nexus 7, and if they weren't in a rush, wait and see how much the ipad mini will retail for, and then decide themselves then...


Consumers seem to expect Android tablets to be cheap because of the crappy budget models that stores are ripping people off with.

There are many great Android tablets, the Galaxy Note 10.1 however is more expensive here than the cheapest ipad 2 and ipad 3.... Seems from my experience people buying Android tablets want them and more over 'expect them' to be cheaper than the ipad.

cynics
Oct 2, 2012, 12:49 PM
When I decide to buy my first tablet I compared the Motorola Xoom and iPad 2. This is a nexus tablet an Androids first really.

It's specs were a lot better then the iPad 2 so I went for it. (Higher PPI screen, stereo speakers, LTE, bigger screen, camera had a flash, better cameras, more ram, hdmi out, USB with USB hosting, sd card slot, etc etc).

At first I regretted it so I also got an iPad 2 (sold that and now have a 3) but after using the iPad I quickly got bored. My gf uses the iPad and I prefer the Xoom even today. I really wanted to get the N7 but it doesn't have cellular data and I use the Xoom for a wireless hotspot quite often.

I'm going to continue to use an Android tablet over Apples offerings even though I prefer a 4S as my current phone. I just need a new nexus tablet with cellular on Verizon's network before I upgrade.

Stuntman06
Oct 2, 2012, 02:38 PM
I have yet to see a TV commercial for an Android tablet. All of the Android commercials I have seen are for phones. Marketing for Android tablets are pretty much non-existent. The only marketing for non-Android tablets I've seen last year was for the BlackBerry Playbook.

I personally chose to get the Asus Transformer. The main reason is for the excellent keyboard dock. The tablet itself is also pretty nice. The reason for choosing the Transformer over the iPad 2 at the time is that I tend to do a lot of typing. A physical keyboard is simply better for input than any on screen keyboard.

nba1341
Oct 2, 2012, 03:20 PM
galaxy note 10.1 commercial on all the time


I love android tablets but to be honest Windows 8 tablets will blow ipad and android tabs out of the water. A full OS in tablet form is going to be awesome. Going to actually not need a desktop or laptop computer.

mike5250
Oct 2, 2012, 05:01 PM
Just got a nexus 7 and I am really impressed. I wanted a smaller tablet for reading and for aviation and car gps. Really works nicely and is much smoother than the android products I had a couple years ago.

$25 google market credit on a $200 product makes it an even better deal.

maflynn
Oct 2, 2012, 06:18 PM
I think the kindle fire and nexus 7 are two tablets that are quite popular. Other then that, I think android tablets have failed to grab the consumer.

Technarchy
Oct 2, 2012, 06:27 PM
Android tablets are a flop.

kiltedthrower
Oct 2, 2012, 07:01 PM
Android tablets are a flop.

Oh! Thanks for the heads up. I'm glad to know that every single one of them are a flop. I'm just curious as to what you're basing this on. Is it total number of all Android based tablets sold? Or is it based on one specific Android based tablet sold compared to another tablet? Or are you just saying you think they suck in general but don't have any real basis for this opinion other than it's based on Android software?

BoxerGT2.5
Oct 2, 2012, 07:15 PM
Android tablets are a flop.

lol


Last year iPad made up 81% of tablets owned, now they make up only 52% and Android has powered up to 48%. Yeah they're a flop.

tito2020
Oct 2, 2012, 07:20 PM
Man you must be hiding in a cave then lol.

ChrisTX
Oct 2, 2012, 07:29 PM
For me, there's no tablet out there that is as functional, and useful as the iPad.

faroZ06
Oct 2, 2012, 07:39 PM
I don't think I've ever seen someone use an Android tablet in real life. Even my friend, a total Google fan, thinks that the iPad beats all of them.

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lol


Last year iPad made up 81% of tablets owned, now they make up only 52% and Android has powered up to 48%. Yeah they're a flop.

The Android tablets have been slow to come out.

rocknblogger
Oct 2, 2012, 07:42 PM
I have yet to see a TV commercial for an Android tablet. All of the Android commercials I have seen are for phones. Marketing for Android tablets are pretty much non-existent. The only marketing for non-Android tablets I've seen last year was for the BlackBerry Playbook.

I personally chose to get the Asus Transformer. The main reason is for the excellent keyboard dock. The tablet itself is also pretty nice. The reason for choosing the Transformer over the iPad 2 at the time is that I tend to do a lot of typing. A physical keyboard is simply better for input than any on screen keyboard.

I see Nexus 7 and Note commercials all the time. I have a Nexus 7 and I love it. My iPad 2 now sits in its stand collecting dust. I like the 7 inch form factor and for the most part apps are not an issue. It's very smooth, the battery lasts as long as my iPad and the screen is excellent. The only thing I wish it had is LTE/3G. I'll see what the iPad mini will be be like and at what price. If it doesn't do anything for me I'll get the next Nexus 7 which will reportedly have cellular connectivity.

Technarchy
Oct 2, 2012, 07:58 PM
Oh! Thanks for the heads up. I'm glad to know that every single one of them are a flop. I'm just curious as to what you're basing this on. Is it total number of all Android based tablets sold? Or is it based on one specific Android based tablet sold compared to another tablet? Or are you just saying you think they suck in general but don't have any real basis for this opinion other than it's based on Android software?

Define success? iPad has it. Android tablets don't

Market share? iPad
Web Traffic? iPad
Revenue? iPad
Customer satisfaction? iPad
Repeat customers? iPad
Aftermarket support? iPad
App development? iPad
App support? iPad

Where exactly are android tablets successful. Absolutely nowhere, and going nowhere fast with Windows 8 about to jump in.

kiltedthrower
Oct 2, 2012, 08:28 PM
Define success? iPad has it. Android tablets don't

Market share? iPad
Web Traffic? iPad
Revenue? iPad
Customer satisfaction? iPad
Repeat customers? iPad
Aftermarket support? iPad
App development? iPad
App support? iPad

Where exactly are android tablets successful. Absolutely nowhere, and going nowhere fast with Windows 8 about to jump in.

If we go by some of that, then my Dell laptop is more successful for OKC teachers than any other product because every single OKC teacher has one and it works well.

The Nexus 7 I have seems to get plenty of web traffic hits. It's powered by Google, and Google seems to get a few users using it's search function. I don't know anyone with a Nexus 7 that's not happy with it. The people I know that have bought a Nexus 7 also bought one for another family member ro friend. I don't know about aftermarket support. I haven't found an app that I needed that hasn't been developed. And apps that I have are updated as needed. Revenue? I have no idea. I can't careless which is making what money. I use what meets my needs and is hassle free.

Irishman
Oct 2, 2012, 09:30 PM
I have never seen an Android tablets. I am guessing its just an Android phone with a huge screen, just like the iPad is an iphone with a huge screen.

While I have seen many people prefer Android phones over iphones, infact I heard that S3 is the most successful smart phone sales wise, I dont hear the same oing for Android tablets.

Why do you think that we still have not seen an Android tablet that competes aggressively against the iPad like the S3 is competing against iphone?

Part of it is the fact that there aren't many apps rescaled to take full advantage of a tablet size screen. It's mostly pixel-doubled phone apps, which doesn't usually look good.

zbarvian
Oct 2, 2012, 10:10 PM
Besides the Nexus 7, I don't think there's another worthy tablet alternative to the iPad. Even Eric Schmidt kind of disappointingly admitted the weak sales of Android tablets at the last Motorola event.

MacBH928
Oct 2, 2012, 10:21 PM
I have heard of Nexus and Galaxy but have never seen any one use them(Except for Note) .

As fore Kindle Fire, I understand this is a tablet that is for media consuming mainly . Read, watch, listen for stuff you buy off amazon.

I do not know why people will say Android phone is better than iphone because it can do so much but iPad is better than Android tablets. Aren't both ipad and Android tablet the same OS just with a bigger screen?

I wonder if the case here is how it was between Windows vs Mac in the early 2000s. Software that is useable and gets out of your way. After all this is a mac forum, and Apple proved that having better/easier software is more important than hardware specs. Thats why Windows was not such a fun experience compared to a mac.

Other than being able to add extra memory for cheap(SD cards), what do you think is an advantage of an Android tablet? (If you say peripherals and USB/HDMI , I understand that there are accessories that you can attach to your ipad to fix this? )

tech4all
Oct 2, 2012, 10:36 PM
Android tablets are a flop.

lol


Last year iPad made up 81% of tablets owned, now they make up only 52% and Android has powered up to 48%. Yeah they're a flop.

Both of you posted big claims but provide no data to back them up. Obviously one of you is right and the other is wrong.

BoxerGT2.5, you did post some numbers, got a link to the site that gave those numbers? Being serious, not trolling.

For me, there's no tablet out there that is as functional, and useful as the iPad.

Why is that? Have you tried other tablets?

I do not know why people will say Android phone is better than iphone because it can do so much but iPad is better than Android tablets. Aren't both ipad and Android tablet the same OS just with a bigger screen?

Essentially yes. I have a tablet; Nexus 7, and a Galaxy Nexus phone. Both are almost identical, but I like the larger screen of the Nexus 7 for web browsing and what not. Honestly I'm not a huge fan of using smart phones as a web device. That goes for both iPhone/iPod Touch and Android. Yes it's nice to have when you're out and about, but having a tablet that's much more portable than a "big" laptop is much better IMO.

Technarchy
Oct 2, 2012, 10:45 PM
Both of you posted big claims but provide no data to back them up. Obviously one of you is right and the other is wrong.



You can tell when android tablet makers actually start touting their sales numbers. None do because they're horrid.

kiltedthrower
Oct 2, 2012, 11:10 PM
You can tell when android tablet makers actually start touting their sales numbers. None do because they're horrid.

So sales numbers alone are the basis for quality?

Which Android based tablets have you used for more than a few hours?

How do we qualify successful? The question isn't "is Android based tablet A, B, or C more successful than tablet X, Y, and Z?" It's "are Android tablets successful?" I'd say some are and some are not. Isn't customer satisfaction and profit margins a part of being successful?

cynics
Oct 2, 2012, 11:19 PM
Other than being able to add extra memory for cheap(SD cards), what do you think is an advantage of an Android tablet? (If you say peripherals and USB/HDMI , I understand that there are accessories that you can attach to your ipad to fix this? )

An open system. I can stream content to my (or anyone's) PS3, Xbox, or any media server without ATV, or even with ATV.

USB is nice like you mentioned. If you plug a mouse into an Android device an actual mouse cursor pops up on the screen. Anything works, keyboards, game controllers (Xbox, ps3, wiimote but that's using BT), etc.

You can have adobe flash if you choose. So when browsing a forum the video actually plays in the box that was posted so you can continue to read and listen and watch the video.

Easy downloading outside the market. So you can download files you may want for another device or computer then share it later or with Dropbox or something. This also makes it easy to download and run game roms. This is N64's Goldeneye hooked to my TV I also have the basics like Mario and etc too PS 1 games.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/03/yme3y2uj.jpg

I really prefer the widgets on a tablet. The screen is way to big just to have icons. I can't really show you a picture because my email widgets are on there but it's nice to have live data (email, Facebook, stocks, weather, etc) in that space not just static icons.

A lot of Google apps are watered down on iOS and are really nice on Android. Esp. maps which seems to be the biggest current topic.

This stuff doesn't require root. I guess I could get a lot of that functionality by jail breaking but I don't think I should have too.

Technarchy
Oct 2, 2012, 11:30 PM
So sales numbers alone are the basis for quality?

Which Android based tablets have you used for more than a few hours?

How do we qualify successful? The question isn't "is Android based tablet A, B, or C more successful than tablet X, Y, and Z?" It's "are Android tablets successful?" I'd say some are and some are not. Isn't customer satisfaction and profit margins a part of being successful?

Mull it over however you till some semi-palatable answer for android tablet "success" sorta makes sense.

Android tablets are a flop, and there is no company provided information presented to suggest otherwise. If they had it, we'd know it.

If you've got some company provided sales figures to prove otherwise, I'd love to read it.

And the Nexus 7 doesn't even have enough clout to muster a decent distribution network, so don't expect any sudden sales magic there.

paulsalter
Oct 3, 2012, 04:27 AM
I think the kindle fire and nexus 7 are two tablets that are quite popular. Other then that, I think android tablets have failed to grab the consumer.

I would say this depends where you are

I agree on the Nexus 7, this appears to have been popular in a lot of places

I have no idea on the Fire as that is US only (or just about to come out in other places), but in the UK the Samsung Galaxy tab 7 is a popular device

IMO, it seems to be the 7" Android Tablets that are doing well, with the iPad Mini (is this confirmed?) things should be interesting in the coming months

There are quite a few ads at the moment on TV, mainly for iPad & Galaxy Note

Irishman
Oct 3, 2012, 06:03 AM
An open system. I can stream content to my (or anyone's) PS3, Xbox, or any media server without ATV, or even with ATV.

USB is nice like you mentioned. If you plug a mouse into an Android device an actual mouse cursor pops up on the screen. Anything works, keyboards, game controllers (Xbox, ps3, wiimote but that's using BT), etc.

You can have adobe flash if you choose. So when browsing a forum the video actually plays in the box that was posted so you can continue to read and listen and watch the video.

Easy downloading outside the market. So you can download files you may want for another device or computer then share it later or with Dropbox or something. This also makes it easy to download and run game roms. This is N64's Goldeneye hooked to my TV I also have the basics like Mario and etc too PS 1 games.

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/03/yme3y2uj.jpg)

I really prefer the widgets on a tablet. The screen is way to big just to have icons. I can't really show you a picture because my email widgets are on there but it's nice to have live data (email, Facebook, stocks, weather, etc) in that space not just static icons.

A lot of Google apps are watered down on iOS and are really nice on Android. Esp. maps which seems to be the biggest current topic.

This stuff doesn't require root. I guess I could get a lot of that functionality by jail breaking but I don't think I should have too.

No, you cannot run Flash on an Android tablet. Mobile Flash is dead, mercifully put to death by Adobe.

VFC
Oct 3, 2012, 07:07 AM
?.......
The Nexus 7 I have seems to get plenty of web traffic hits. It's powered by Google, and Google seems to get a few users using it's search function. I don't know anyone with a Nexus 7 that's not happy with it. The people I know that have bought a Nexus 7 also bought one for another family member ro friend. I don't know about aftermarket support. I haven't found an app that I needed that hasn't been developed. And apps that I have are updated as needed. Revenue? I have no idea. I can't careless which is making what money. I use what meets my needs and is hassle free.

My Nexus 7 is superior to my iPad 3 in many ways. Since I bought it, I rarely power on the iPad. I have more than twice as many apps installed on the N7. The widgets are great. I can turn off/on my remote BT speakers with one "click". Doing the same on the iPad is 5 or 6 steps. I used to share the BT speakers with both devices, but it's such a pain with the iPad, I just stopped using it.

I wish the N7 was available when I purchased the iPad. I would saved a bunch of money and avoided having to deal with the hassle of selling the iPad.

cynics
Oct 3, 2012, 08:03 AM
No, you cannot run Flash on an Android tablet. Mobile Flash is dead, mercifully put to death by Adobe.

Yes, you can you just need to know how to do it. You can't uninvent flash and since Android is open there is nothing to just stop me from installing the APK.

Edit: matter of fact you can still find it in the play store. Lol

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/03/yqery8ym.jpg

MacRumorUser
Oct 3, 2012, 08:08 AM
No, you cannot run Flash on an Android tablet. Mobile Flash is dead, mercifully put to death by Adobe.

Yes, you can you just need to know how to do it. You can't uninvent flash and since Android is open there is nothing to just stop me from installing the APK.


You are both right.

There is currently no 'official support' for Flash going forward on Android, but if you allow installations from third party sources (not always a good idea) you can install the last version of flash if you download it from another source / forum / download site.



Going forward however.... with new operating systems from Google in the future, the chances are older versions of the Flash app will no longer work on the newer operating systems, thus you will eventually lose ability to run Flash even by circumventing the google play store.

Adobe are no longer going to be putting any development time into making Flash for the android operating system.

cynics
Oct 3, 2012, 08:12 AM
You are both right.

There is currently no 'official support' for Flash going forward on Android, but if you allow installations from third party sources (not always a good idea) you can install the last version of flash if you download it from another source / forum / download site.



Going forward however.... with new operating systems from Google in the future, the chances are older versions of the Flash app will no longer work on the newer operating systems, thus you will eventually lose ability to run Flash even by circumventing the google play store.

Adobe are no longer going to be putting any development time into making Flash for the android operating system.

I edited my post. It's still in google play, you just need to know how to find it. It still works on 4.1 just adobe is done updating it...

kiltedthrower
Oct 3, 2012, 08:32 AM
Mull it over however you till some semi-palatable answer for android tablet "success" sorta makes sense.

Android tablets are a flop, and there is no company provided information presented to suggest otherwise. If they had it, we'd know it.

If you've got some company provided sales figures to prove otherwise, I'd love to read it.

And the Nexus 7 doesn't even have enough clout to muster a decent distribution network, so don't expect any sudden sales magic there.

So we're simply going on sales numbers? Does this mean if the ipad mini does not outsell the Nexus 7, it's a flop of a 7" tablet? And since no company remains on top forever that we'll eventually consider ipads a flop when it finally is not the number 1 selling tablet?

Tarzanman
Oct 3, 2012, 08:58 AM
I have never seen an Android tablets. I am guessing its just an Android phone with a huge screen, just like the iPad is an iphone with a huge screen.

While I have seen many people prefer Android phones over iphones, infact I heard that S3 is the most successful smart phone sales wise, I dont hear the same oing for Android tablets.

Why do you think that we still have not seen an Android tablet that competes aggressively against the iPad like the S3 is competing against iphone?

Maybe you should stop hanging out at Starbucks? I'm not kidding. Trendy people still like Apple stuff.

Apple is still the king of the 10-inch tablet, but cumalatively, there are more kindles, nexus tablets and galaxy tablets in the wild.

It should be a big, huge hint that 7" tablets are doing *extremely* well that Apple is all set to introduce one in the next few months.

So, get out a little more. You don't see as many android tablets around because their owners:
1. Are much less inclined to show them off
2. Have smartphones with big enough screens to read (meaning they don't have to reach for their tablet as much).

I have the original Galaxy Tab and am chomping at the bit to sell it and get a Nexus 7

TheMTtakeover
Oct 3, 2012, 09:31 AM
No, you cannot run Flash on an Android tablet. Mobile Flash is dead, mercifully put to death by Adobe.

That's great thing about android, I don't need some company's approval to install something on my device. I'll just go get the apk myself. Which is why my Nexus 7 has flash running even though it is unsupported.

I actually enjoyed the 4.1 JellyBean experience so much that I sold my iPhone and bought a Galaxy Nexus. It has much more functionality. I'll consider another iDevice when I can download a file manager without having to jailbreak.

onthecouchagain
Oct 3, 2012, 09:32 AM
I gotta say, the allure of the Nexus 7 is stronger than ever. If there are some good deals this holiday season, might be irresistible.

I'm an iPad 3rd gen owner, by the way.

cynics
Oct 3, 2012, 09:39 AM
I gotta say, the allure of the Nexus 7 is stronger than ever. If there are some good deals this holiday season, might be irresistible.

I'm an iPad 3rd gen owner, by the way.

I agree. I don't need one (I have a Xoom and iPad 3) but if the price drops any lower then it already is I won't be able to resist getting one.

Technarchy
Oct 3, 2012, 11:02 AM
So we're simply going on sales numbers? Does this mean if the ipad mini does not outsell the Nexus 7, it's a flop of a 7" tablet? And since no company remains on top forever that we'll eventually consider ipads a flop when it finally is not the number 1 selling tablet?

iPad mini doesn't exist as of this moment so don't worry about it.

MacBH928
Oct 3, 2012, 11:32 AM
Hmmm...

I too feel that the iOS is too strictly limited like we are childs in the hands of Apple where we can not make a decisions on our own.

On the other hand, I feel Android is too open that anything goes. In fact many people will say different Android phones will functional differently based on software alone due to high tweaking. In a lot of ways, I feel Android is like Linux of mobile devices, its like saying "here is something that can work any way you want it to, deal with it".

I am hoping that either iOS frees itself a little or Android limit itself a little, so we can get an OS just like OS X , Reliable , Secure, Stable , works out of the box yet the possibilities are endless with software and capabilities.

I think Google should me more Like Microsoft, Where Windows probably has some sort of guidelines and rules.

Maybe Windows 8 tablet?

Doggman
Oct 3, 2012, 11:44 AM
My 2 cents:

I have used many an iPad (1,2, and 3) in my day but never could buy one for two reasons.
(1) Never needed a tablet, I have my iphone
(2) Didn't want a bigger iPhone that can't make calls...

But regardless, I wanted a tablet :cool:

So I looked else where and found the ASUS TF700 (iPad 3 competitor).
The hardware pretty much mops up the iPad 3 which is :cool: but the Apps are lacking. They're not bad and I have to admit the more I use them the better I'm getting with them and as a result my iPhone is pissing me off more and my tablet is pissing me off less (however the MBP still smokes both...).

The only real benefit you get with the iPad 3 over the Android competitors is the App Store and the Apple Ecosystem but those two things are HUGE. Personally I didn't want either of those though so I decided to go out on a limb and try out something new (I like change) and I've been very happy with my Android tablet, as a matter of fact getting happier everyday...

So to answer the OP's original question: My android tablet purchase was a "success". I'm not sure about sales numbers or anything but I think someone posted up some percentages earlier in the thread. Anyhow that's my 2 cents on Android tablets.

Irishman
Oct 3, 2012, 01:58 PM
I actually enjoyed the 4.1 JellyBean experience so much that I sold my iPhone and bought a Galaxy Nexus. It has much more functionality. I'll consider another iDevice when I can download a file manager without having to jailbreak.

Much more functionality to do what exactly?

kiltedthrower
Oct 3, 2012, 05:14 PM
iPad mini doesn't exist as of this moment so don't worry about it.

But when it does come out and possibly doesn't outsell the Nexus 7, you'll admit it was a flop? Or are you that much of a brand fan?

Technarchy
Oct 3, 2012, 06:40 PM
But when it does come out and possibly doesn't outsell the Nexus 7, you'll admit it was a flop? Or are you that much of a brand fan?

Produce some Google provided Nexus 7 sales numbers and get back to me after this so called iPad Mini is a real product.

TheMTtakeover
Oct 3, 2012, 06:46 PM
Much more functionality to do what exactly?

Can you tether your iPhone with out it being jail broken? Can you download a file manager from the app store? If you can't figure out what you can do with those two features than idk what to tell you. I'm not saying android is better than iOS but it can do things that iOS can't. Hence more functionality. Maybe that doesn't matter to you but it does for me.

Irishman
Oct 3, 2012, 06:59 PM
Can you tether your iPhone with out it being jail broken? Can you download a file manager from the app store? If you can't figure out what you can do with those two features than idk what to tell you. I'm not saying android is better than iOS but it can do things that iOS can't. Hence more functionality. Maybe that doesn't matter to you but it does for me.

I'm not dismissing what you're offering, but why is that important to you, in practical use? What does it allow you to do?

And I guess hacking and tweaking for their own sakes is a valid answer. :)

cynics
Oct 3, 2012, 07:14 PM
I'm not dismissing what you're offering, but why is that important to you, in practical use? What does it allow you to do?

And I guess hacking and tweaking for their own sakes is a valid answer. :)

You weren't quoting me but those are two things I use. I tether my iPhone to android because my Verizon 4S doesn't have LTE and do data and voice at the same time.

File manager is just nice to have to organize files. Practical use for me for example would be using an emulators. It's nice to connect my tablet to my computer and drag roms over into a dedicated folder. Or for work I have about a 100 pdf's I keep in a dedicated folder plus a thousand or so work related *jpg's. I take these pics with a camera I connect via USB and download them into that folder.

pragmatous
Oct 3, 2012, 07:32 PM
I bought a game for my tablet and tried to download it from the google play market. Come to find out the game wasn't compatible with my brand new tablet with the latest ICS OS.

Android fail.

petes67bird
Oct 3, 2012, 07:40 PM
I own the Ipad, Ipad 2, Ipad 3, original Kindle Fire and now the Kindle Fire HD actually 2 of them as one is for my wife. I think each device brings its own benefits to the table. Apple products excel in certain areas, but then again so do Android products. I like each product for their own strengths. I have a business phone which I just upgraded to the Iphone 5. For my personal number, I use a Sony Xperia ION. To be honest, the free ION has a leg up on the Iphone 5.

Without getting into arguments, I like both technologies. I think both will be around for a long time, this isnt going to turn out like HD DVD or Blu Ray. But to answer the original question, a current market share analysis revealed that out of all the current devices in the market, 48% are android and 52% are Apple. I think that alone proves it was successful. I just dont get why some people have such hatred for a brand or a certain device.

Irishman
Oct 3, 2012, 08:05 PM
You weren't quoting me but those are two things I use. I tether my iPhone to android because my Verizon 4S doesn't have LTE and do data and voice at the same time.

File manager is just nice to have to organize files. Practical use for me for example would be using an emulators. It's nice to connect my tablet to my computer and drag roms over into a dedicated folder. Or for work I have about a 100 pdf's I keep in a dedicated folder plus a thousand or so work related *jpg's. I take these pics with a camera I connect via USB and download them into that folder.

So, with those ROMs, you're basically playing old Nintendo games and such, right?

VFC
Oct 3, 2012, 08:22 PM
I bought a game for my tablet and tried to download it from the google play market. Come to find out the game wasn't compatible with my brand new tablet with the latest ICS OS.

Android fail.

You did read the Google Play Store reviews before you purchased the game: correct?

I'm sure you are aware that on the review header there is an option to read just the reviews from users with your particular device; correct?

If not; End User fail.

petes67bird
Oct 3, 2012, 08:25 PM
You did read the Google Play Store reviews before you purchased the game: correct?

I'm sure you are aware that on the review header there is an option to read just the reviews from users with your particular device; correct?

If not; End User fail.

I was just about to inform him of the same thing. One of my brand new androids arent supported by Skype yet, so there is a loud chirp. There are many different versions of phone and 1 apple. You have to check to see if your device is compatible.

TheMTtakeover
Oct 3, 2012, 08:49 PM
You weren't quoting me but those are two things I use. I tether my iPhone to android because my Verizon 4S doesn't have LTE and do data and voice at the same time.

File manager is just nice to have to organize files. Practical use for me for example would be using an emulators. It's nice to connect my tablet to my computer and drag roms over into a dedicated folder. Or for work I have about a 100 pdf's I keep in a dedicated folder plus a thousand or so work related *jpg's. I take these pics with a camera I connect via USB and download them into that folder.

Exactly!

I don't wanna have to pay a data plan for my tablet and laptop when I already pay with my phone. Why not just use that data. Saves me a ton of money. File manager because I want to have control of where my files are and be able to put any type of file on my device. It also allows me to save my downloads to different folders based on what I'm downloading. Would you buy a Mac if it didn't allowed you to use finder?

b166er
Oct 3, 2012, 08:52 PM
It really depends what you're going for. The iPad is a great device for both consuming and creating. It also carries a higher price. But it's a good way to stay connected to the Apple ecosystem while maybe exploring different phone options.

The Nexus 7 is a great tablet at a great price, but it is much more geared towards the consuming of content rather than the creation of it. If you wanna read some books, watch netflix, play some games, the nexus is great, and it's cheap all things considered.

I feel like my iPad is invaluable for my schoolwork, and it's super portability is a huge bonus for me.

pragmatous
Oct 3, 2012, 08:55 PM
Android devices that you have had and sold or returned are not deletable on googles dashboard. So the compatibility check on google play or at the time android market was defaulted to a device I no longer have.

That's another problem with android. You can't delete devices you no longer have. It's complete chaos.

You did read the Google Play Store reviews before you purchased the game: correct?

I'm sure you are aware that on the review header there is an option to read just the reviews from users with your particular device; correct?

If not; End User fail.

3bs
Oct 3, 2012, 09:26 PM
Android devices that you have had and sold or returned are not deletable on googles dashboard. So the compatibility check on google play or at the time android market was defaulted to a device I no longer have.

That's another problem with android. You can't delete devices you no longer have. It's complete chaos.

I wouldn't say it's complete chaos but yes it is a bit annoying.

MacBH928
Oct 4, 2012, 12:09 AM
After readimg everyone's opinion , I think Apple will be shooting themselves in the head if they dont start having file management such as a finder and ports like USB and SD cards at least.

I know they probably were thinking that an iPad is not a PC when they first came up with it, but the way I see it many of the new tablets (Android + Windows 8) are becoming more and more like a thin laptop.

Not sure how this is a bad thing that Apple want to stay away from...

Seems like technology catches up with being able to run a full OS on a tablet, ok you wont run Final Cut HD but thats probably something your macbook air 11 wont do so well either.

We have to wait and see....

3bs
Oct 4, 2012, 03:48 AM
After readimg everyone's opinion , I think Apple will be shooting themselves in the head if they dont start having file management such as a finder and ports like USB and SD cards at least.

I know they probably were thinking that an iPad is not a PC when they first came up with it, but the way I see it many of the new tablets (Android + Windows 8) are becoming more and more like a thin laptop.

Not sure how this is a bad thing that Apple want to stay away from...

Seems like technology catches up with being able to run a full OS on a tablet, ok you wont run Final Cut HD but thats probably something your macbook air 11 wont do so well either.

We have to wait and see....

I don't see it happening. At least not anytime soon. They just don't want users to have to worry about where files are and want to let the individual apps take care of all that.

Stuntman06
Oct 4, 2012, 04:35 PM
It really depends what you're going for. The iPad is a great device for both consuming and creating. It also carries a higher price. But it's a good way to stay connected to the Apple ecosystem while maybe exploring different phone options.

The Nexus 7 is a great tablet at a great price, but it is much more geared towards the consuming of content rather than the creation of it. If you wanna read some books, watch netflix, play some games, the nexus is great, and it's cheap all things considered.

I feel like my iPad is invaluable for my schoolwork, and it's super portability is a huge bonus for me.

I would say that the Asus Transformer line of tablets are great for creating any amount of text. Their keyboard docks for their tablets are second to none. It is unfortunate that Asus did not market their tablets more agressively. I didn't know about them until a colleague mentioned it.

onthecouchagain
Oct 4, 2012, 10:17 PM
You know what drives me nuts? I can't simply transfer a PDF file that I downloaded for work onto my iPad. I can't just drag and drop it and open it. I have to jump through holes to convert it to an ePub to see it in iBooks, or I have to somehow send it to myself which can be difficult if the files are large and many...

It's frustrating.

Can someone help? Is there an easier way?

EDIT: I guess I could put it in dropbox. But this is such a roundabout way.

EDIT: Ugh, the Nexus 7 is looking better and better day by day.

MacRumorUser
Oct 5, 2012, 03:03 AM
You know what drives me nuts? I can't simply transfer a PDF file that I downloaded for work onto my iPad. I can't just drag and drop it and open it. I have to jump through holes to convert it to an ePub to see it in iBooks, or I have to somehow send it to myself which can be difficult if the files are large and many...

It's frustrating.

Can someone help? Is there an easier way?

EDIT: I guess I could put it in dropbox. But this is such a roundabout way.

EDIT: Ugh, the Nexus 7 is looking better and better day by day.

What??? Are you being serious?

Pdf's open on my iPad without any issue, you can view them in iBook, in the mail application or just use any of the myriad of other apps like Goodreader...

Simplist, Just email the file to yourself and then check your email on the iPad. They will open and you can view them from your mail application.

If you had good reader, you can also send it to there from the mail, or send it to iBooks via mail, without converting it to ePub.

Seriously simples...




If your syncing the old fashioned way...

Or if you are syncing via iTunes even wirelessly, add the PDF to your books library and then just add it to the books to be synced in the sync box and you do not need to change it to e-pub ever.... IBooks application has tab to show you all PDFs you have loaded.

Likewise if you have any other app like GoodReader just add the PDF to the app in iTunes sync and it will load it onto the device.

But just mailing it to yourself is quickest and prob just as quick as plugging a cable into your computer and drag and dropping....

onthecouchagain
Oct 5, 2012, 07:21 AM
What??? Are you being serious?

Pdf's open on my iPad without any issue, you can view them in iBook, in the mail application or just use any of the myriad of other apps like Goodreader...

Simplist, Just email the file to yourself and then check your email on the iPad. They will open and you can view them from your mail application.

If you had good reader, you can also send it to there from the mail, or send it to iBooks via mail, without converting it to ePub.

Seriously simples...




If your syncing the old fashioned way...

Or if you are syncing via iTunes even wirelessly, add the PDF to your books library and then just add it to the books to be synced in the sync box and you do not need to change it to e-pub ever.... IBooks application has tab to show you all PDFs you have loaded.

Likewise if you have any other app like GoodReader just add the PDF to the app in iTunes sync and it will load it onto the device.

But just mailing it to yourself is quickest and prob just as quick as plugging a cable into your computer and drag and dropping....


Yep. I used DropBox and iBooks. Thanks though.

I still wish you're allowed to drag and drop. It feels roundabout that I have to either go through email, dropbox or iTunes. I guess for bigger files, I'll have to use iTunes.

MacRumorUser
Oct 5, 2012, 09:54 AM
Yep. I used DropBox and iBooks. Thanks though.

I still wish you're allowed to drag and drop. It feels roundabout that I have to either go through email, dropbox or iTunes. I guess for bigger files, I'll have to use iTunes.

But I think if your dragging and dropping, which basically means you have to connect your device via sync usb cable, there's not much difference in either way.

Normally for my android or iOS devices, the old email myself something is how I solve things wirelessly 95% of the time... :)

onthecouchagain
Oct 5, 2012, 11:00 AM
But I think if your dragging and dropping, which basically means you have to connect your device via sync usb cable, there's not much difference in either way.

Normally for my android or iOS devices, the old email myself something is how I solve things wirelessly 95% of the time... :)

Yeah, dropbox is sufficient. Just worried about larger files. Doable, but just takes time. Drag and drop feels like there's less steps. But it is a pretty small difference.

In general, I find that if I maintain using my iPad as a play device (media consumption, games, light browsing, etc.) it's pleasing, but anytime I have to start doing serious work (PDFs, send something important via attachment mail, etc.) it becomes frustrating.

frayne182
Oct 5, 2012, 11:39 AM
You know what drives me nuts? I can't simply transfer a PDF file that I downloaded for work onto my iPad. I can't just drag and drop it and open it. I have to jump through holes to convert it to an ePub to see it in iBooks, or I have to somehow send it to myself which can be difficult if the files are large and many...

It's frustrating.

Can someone help? Is there an easier way?

EDIT: I guess I could put it in dropbox. But this is such a roundabout way.

EDIT: Ugh, the Nexus 7 is looking better and better day by day.

I have a Nexus 7 and its amazing.

Not hating on iPad, but in my opinion Android does tablets better. The file management, the apps are just as good, the browser seems more fluid using Chrome, etc.

The big thing is like you said. I can essentially use my as an external hard drive if I wanted. Plug it in and drag and drop.... Can do this in any computer and not just one like iTunes usually limits you to.

Now I don't like Android top line phones because they are to big. Honestly if the S3 was the size of the iPhone 5 I might of just considered it. But i don't like phones that are super big.

The Nexus 7 is a great fast and powerful tablet. I have no complaints. Just my two cents.

tbayrgs
Oct 5, 2012, 03:26 PM
I have a Nexus 7 and its amazing.

Not hating on iPad, but in my opinion Android does tablets better. The file management, the apps are just as good, the browser seems more fluid using Chrome, etc.

The big thing is like you said. I can essentially use my as an external hard drive if I wanted. Plug it in and drag and drop.... Can do this in any computer and not just one like iTunes usually limits you to.

Now I don't like Android top line phones because they are to big. Honestly if the S3 was the size of the iPhone 5 I might of just considered it. But i don't like phones that are super big.

The Nexus 7 is a great fast and powerful tablet. I have no complaints. Just my two cents.

I just picked up Nexus 7 and have only started to realize its potential but I need to disagree with a couple of your points based on my first impressions. First, I'm sorry but there is no comparison regarding tablet apps between Android and iPad--the iPad has a far greater selection and execution on the iPad is generally much better. I've only tested a handful so far and found this to be the case for nearly each app. I expect this gap to narrow over time but considering the Android tablet market is just starting to gain a foothold, it's not there yet.

Second, I found just the opposite using a couple of browsers on the Nexus. Chrome often suffers from lags/judders when rendering pages or scrolling/zooming. It's not terrible but certainly noticeable. I've also used Dolphin and found the experience a bit better than Chrome. I preferred the stock browser on the Galaxy Nexus phone and read that I can sideload it on the Nexus 7 so I'll give that a try soon.

Otherwise, I am enjoying giving the Nexus 7 a work through. The hardware itself if great--nice solid feel, comfortable to hold one handed, bright, crisp screen. I also really like the size--been used to the iPad and will probably prefer the extra screen real estate for many things but love the portability of the Nexus. I'll try to give a more thorough review after I've had more time use it--hope it might be helpful to anyone who's only live in the Apple world (as I had until recently) about what's available with Android.