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Oct 2, 2012, 02:48 PM
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Though Apple allowed some select hardware partners to work on Lightning connector-compatible hardware accessories, most of those are not yet for sale. However, that's not to stop some enterprising users from making do with what they have.

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The Next Web has instructions on how to modify the Elevation Dock (http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/10/02/its-alive-elevation-dock-modified-work-apples-iphone-5-lightning-connector/) -- a popular Kickstarter project (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hop/elevation-dock-the-best-dock-for-iphone/) -- to fit the iPhone 5. The site says the modification, while not perfect, is "fairly straightforward" and takes about 25 minutes to complete.

The team behind the Elevation Dock is planning to ship a bolt-in swappable mount (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hop/elevation-dock-the-best-dock-for-iphone/posts/308093) that will support the new cord in the next several months.

Also available is the $30 dockBoss+ iPhone 5 Kit (http://www.cablejive.com/products/dockBossplus-iPhone-5-Kit.html). While rather clunky, the cable allows users to listen and charge the iPhone 5 or new iPod Touch through any 30-pin connector docking station.

Readers noticing other interesting accessories or docks for the iPhone 5 and the Lightning connector should send a note to tips@macrumors.com (http://www.macrumors.com/share.php).

Article Link: Official Lightning Connector Support Lacking, Inspires Workarounds and DIY Mods (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/02/official-lightning-connector-support-lacking-inspires-workarounds-and-diy-mods/)



GoCubsGo
Oct 2, 2012, 02:54 PM
If I recall, the Elevation dock was pricey and still quite new. Hopefully, the bolt in option is free or real cheap. I don't think I saw anything on pricing, I could be wrong.

iMacFarlane
Oct 2, 2012, 02:54 PM
Change has to occur sometime. I think the idea and design of the lightning connector are spot on and will be great for years to come. Growing pains.

That being said, Apple should definitely have provided a low cost adapter or released manufacturing specs to third party accessory vendors prior to the phone's arrival on the scene.

ovrlrd
Oct 2, 2012, 03:05 PM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

macguy90
Oct 2, 2012, 03:10 PM
Who has the time or desire to modify an accessory for the iPhone 5 lightning connector? Sure, it's a great conversation topic, but it's not practical. I have the iPhone 5 and I feel no need to go modifying incompatible docks. I will say, however, that Apple really should have worked harder to get third-party accessory makers ready by the release of the new iPhone.

mavis
Oct 2, 2012, 03:21 PM
We still can't even buy replacement USB cables in Japan, let alone Lightning to 30-pin adapters or docks. :mad:

chrvdMark
Oct 2, 2012, 03:22 PM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

I guess it would'nt look too good selling an accessorie, they know will be damaging the phones painting when used... :/

Icaras
Oct 2, 2012, 03:26 PM
Does anyone know of any other companies developing an iPhone 5 dock?

EiriasEmrys
Oct 2, 2012, 03:53 PM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

I still have yet to see ONE valid reason why humans shouldn't be able to fly. Forget all those technical reasons and rationale, we've heard it. Just tell me one good reason why I cannot fly? Birds fly. I should fly.

ONE good reason! I DARE YOU!

GSPice
Oct 2, 2012, 04:20 PM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

With wi-fi, bluetooth.. docks are a bit 90s lol

I kid.. a bit.

TylerL
Oct 2, 2012, 04:21 PM
I still have yet to see ONE valid reason why humans shouldn't be able to fly. Forget all those technical reasons and rationale, we've heard it. Just tell me one good reason why I cannot fly? Birds fly. I should fly.
ONE good reason! I DARE YOU!

Well? Let's hear it.

Stubborn people who won't take an opaque "no you can't do it" for an answer are great people who push us forward as a species.

Lightning speaker docks have been announced. More resourceful dudes have made their own docks already, too.

coder12
Oct 2, 2012, 04:42 PM
I still have yet to see ONE valid reason why humans shouldn't be able to fly. Forget all those technical reasons and rationale, we've heard it. Just tell me one good reason why I cannot fly? Birds fly. I should fly.

ONE good reason! I DARE YOU!

We can't fly because the ability to fly requires telekinesis, and we haven't developed that yet. :(

jephrey
Oct 2, 2012, 04:47 PM
the DockBoss actually looks fairly easy to create itself... I'm a DIYer and imagine it'd be fairly easy.

Your charging cord takes care of conversion to USB (inserted any way) and allows the digital signal and charging to pass through.

A male to male 1/8" cord for analog audio (cheap)

Then you just need a female 30pin jack and some soldering skills to properly connect a female usb cord and female 1/8" jack [there are pinouts all over the web to understand but I'd be surprised if someone didn't have a "how-to" out there already... It'd be even easier to bastardize a new connector and single 1/8" jack cable but I'm unsure which end the "flipped connector" circuitry is in (and that cable has multiple uses and is expensive)

Personally, I've got 1 iHome radio and no other dock-based system so I'm one of those who is happy with the new connector.

-----
I can fly...

Temporarily.

afd
Oct 2, 2012, 04:49 PM
easier and probably cheaper solution (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bluetooth-Stereo-Audio-Receiver-Music-iPod-Dock-Bose-Sound-Dock-iPad-Macbook-Pro-/271060933090?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item3f1c7d99e2&_uhb=1)

Having said that, I'm going to try and cobble together my brodit iPhone 4 car cradle and a lightning to 30 pin convertor when they come out. I really miss dropping the phone into the cradle in the car and am pretty sure it's going to be a while before a ready made solution appears.

TimTheEnchanter
Oct 2, 2012, 04:49 PM
I'm all for change if it's for the good, but I have to say I'm bummed that my XtremeMac InCharge Duo (http://www.xtrememac.com/en-US/products/chargers/incharge-series/incharge-duo-for-ipad/) is about to become unusable for my iPhone 5 (once I get it). I have this on my nightstand, my iPhone is my alarm clock. I like having it docked so I can see it easily (and hit snooze easier). Apple's adapter is too long and frankly way too expensive in my opinion. I guess I'll just look for the cheap dock-stands that use the cord instead.

Arcady
Oct 2, 2012, 05:45 PM
Maybe some company will come out with a docking adapter that fits into a legacy universal dock port and has a new dock on top. Basically a sandwich with a 30-pin on the bottom and a Lightning on the top, that sits right in any universal dock. There are tons of devices out there with identical universal docking ports. Somebody just needs to be build this. The electronics are easy.

Griffin? Belkin? Anyone?

nsfw
Oct 2, 2012, 05:59 PM
easier and probably cheaper solution (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bluetooth-Stereo-Audio-Receiver-Music-iPod-Dock-Bose-Sound-Dock-iPad-Macbook-Pro-/271060933090?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item3f1c7d99e2&_uhb=1)



thats not a solution. i can airplay with airfoil speakers, but a dock serves a very different purpose. In fact, I never sent audio from my elevation dock to my mac. for me a dock is a place to charge your iphone and also a really elegant place to store your device while working at your desk.
/let-the-rage-commence

tbrinkma
Oct 2, 2012, 06:03 PM
I guess it would'nt look too good selling an accessorie, they know will be damaging the phones painting when used... :/

Wait. Why on earth would a dock damage the iPhone's paint? The paint is all on the *inside* of the glass.

kas23
Oct 2, 2012, 06:15 PM
This is the Thunderbolt port all over again. It has been almost 2 years and we still don't have many TB devices.

dcorban
Oct 2, 2012, 06:27 PM
This is the Thunderbolt port all over again. It has been almost 2 years and we still don't have many TB devices.
I believe this is because Thunderbolt is overkill for the vast majority of devices.

Glassed Silver
Oct 2, 2012, 06:37 PM
I believe this is because Thunderbolt is overkill for the vast majority of devices.

How so?
It'd be perfect for external HDDs, yet, no external enclosures that I could possibly afford.
Well, I can, but I can't justify their costs AT ALL.

2 years? Come on. 2 years in tech world is like a decade in non-tech world.

Glassed Silver:mac

Fresh Pie
Oct 2, 2012, 08:32 PM
Looks like my fifth generation iPod touch will be arriving before the Elevation Dock I ordered to go with my previous generation. If Elevation Labs does create an alternative, lightning-compatible dock, I hope they 1) send that one to me instead, 2) include a free conversion kit, or 3) allow buyers to trade their previous Elevation Docks for newer ones, assuming their docks arrive after the release of Lightning-only iOS devices.

2 years? Come on. 2 years in tech world is like a decade in non-tech world.

Sounds like the plot to a Chris Nolan movie. :D

Senseotech
Oct 2, 2012, 08:35 PM
How so?
It'd be perfect for external HDDs, yet, no external enclosures that I could possibly afford.
Well, I can, but I can't justify their costs AT ALL.

2 years? Come on. 2 years in tech world is like a decade in non-tech world.

Glassed Silver:mac

The main reason for the lack of thunderbolt devices and accessories is the overall lack of machines that use Thunderbolt. Until Ivy Bridge, Thunderbolt wasn't part of the Intel chipset and no one on the PC side even thought about adding it. Now we have several vendors adding Thunderbolt to their machines and a large uptick in the number of motherboards for BYO purposes with Thunderbolt ports. In fact, I can go on Newegg right now and pull a half dozen boards with Thunderbolt, with several starting under $200.

Ichabod.
Oct 2, 2012, 09:25 PM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

Headphone jack on the bottom of the device would hinder possible functionality.

I guess why they put the jack on the bottom is a separate discussion though (I can think of a few reasons...nothing huge is jumping out though).

semaja2
Oct 2, 2012, 09:27 PM
Headphone jack on the bottom of the device would hinder possible functionality.

I guess why they put the jack on the bottom is a separate discussion though (I can think of a few reasons...nothing huge is jumping out though).

Maybe a dock is coming and due to the small connector size of Lighting they will use the audio jack to hold it up? As well as using the audio jack to pass through the analogue sound to the dock :)

Rocketman
Oct 2, 2012, 10:21 PM
I was at an apple store yesterday to help a friend get an iPhone5 and when looking at them I noticed they sat on the dock askew. I thought it odd Apple notorious for detail would miss that one. It seems if only the connector was attached to the stand just a fraction of an inch lower it would slide into the iPhone5 and sit flat on the display.

I would hope that third party dock designers would factor this detail in when making their stuff as the connector has a less secure method of attach and retention than the 30 pin did. This might be considered a downgrade of sorts.

I am excited about the variety of protocols the new connector supports and understand it will be increasingly necessary on form factors that are small or wearable, such as the square Nano.

There needs to be support for the devices around the dock area as the connector itself is no longer sufficient.

Rocketman

MH01
Oct 2, 2012, 11:20 PM
I still have yet to see ONE valid reason why humans shouldn't be able to fly. Forget all those technical reasons and rationale, we've heard it. Just tell me one good reason why I cannot fly? Birds fly. I should fly.

ONE good reason! I DARE YOU!

Most of us are fat

Michael Scrip
Oct 2, 2012, 11:34 PM
I believe this is because Thunderbolt is overkill for the vast majority of devices.

Exactly.

Thunderbolt is an amazing interface... but only certain types of people get excited over it.

If you're transferring terabytes of data every day.... and you have drives that can handle that much bandwidth... Thunderbolt is a godsend.

Or... if you're connecting expensive accessories to your computer... again Thunderbolt is (or will soon be) a great interface.

Otherwise... most people back up their hard drives to good ol' USB 2.0 drives. Because those are "good enough"

And then there is a certain percentage of the population who never connect anything to their computers.

Perhaps the only thing they may connect is their iPhone cable :)

Radio
Oct 2, 2012, 11:53 PM
docks are overrated

Zunjine
Oct 3, 2012, 03:05 AM
This is the Thunderbolt port all over again. It has been almost 2 years and we still don't have many TB devices.

The differences:

1) There are very few machines currently in use that have TB ports while there will be 100 million LTNG compatible devices in use within weeks, 200 million by Christmas (rough guesses of course but if you count iPod Nanos I think we could be seeing that kind of number).

2) All TB compatible devices also carry USB connectors while new iPhones and iPods (and soon iPads) will only support LTNG. Thus, if you're building a TB device you're competing with much cheaper USB devices that offer enough bandwidth for most people.

So, while the economic argument for making TB devices is opaque, the argument for making LTNG devices is clear as day. This is, I feel, nothing like TB.

chrvdMark
Oct 3, 2012, 03:54 AM
Wait. Why on earth would a dock damage the iPhone's paint? The paint is all on the *inside* of the glass.

Well, I mean the black models "paint", on the antenna-frame...
I think daily use in a dock, would damage the black paint... And i guess Apple knows it...

Lancer
Oct 3, 2012, 05:16 AM
Still using a 3Gs for almost 3 year, thought about getting a dock but never found the need, biggest problem is most require you to remove any case. So I'm using the same Apple connector I got with the phone to plug it in a charge/sync.

I'll revisit the issue when I upgrade to the new iPhone in the coming months, I'm sure there will be lots of choice in the coming months as production ramps up.

dcorban
Oct 3, 2012, 06:45 AM
How so?
It'd be perfect for external HDDs, yet, no external enclosures that I could possibly afford.
Are there HDDs that can feed 10GB/s of throughput? To my knowledge, even the fastest flash based drives don't break the 1GB/s barrier. Slower physical disks won't even saturate a USB2 connection.

kas23
Oct 3, 2012, 06:59 AM
The differences:

1) There are very few machines currently in use that have TB ports while there will be 100 million LTNG compatible devices in use within weeks, 200 million by Christmas (rough guesses of course but if you count iPod Nanos I think we could be seeing that kind of number).

2) All TB compatible devices also carry USB connectors while new iPhones and iPods (and soon iPads) will only support LTNG. Thus, if you're building a TB device you're competing with much cheaper USB devices that offer enough bandwidth for most people.

So, while the economic argument for making TB devices is opaque, the argument for making LTNG devices is clear as day. This is, I feel, nothing like TB.

I agree with your points. However, these accessories should have been available right at launch. Developers had iOS 6 available months before launch, the accessory makers should have had the same luxury.

Sure, Apple wants to keep everything secret, but anyone with an Internet connection knew the 30-pin connector was going the way of the dinosaur. Even mainstream news outlets were reporting the change. What was the competitive advantage in keeping this a secret?

It's going to take these accessory makers months now to produce these accessories. This isn't just changing the connector. These accessories will have to be designed and thoroughly tested and go through the FCC and whatnot. We will be very lucky if we see these accessories by the Holiday season.

In the very least, Apple should have had the adaptors available immediately. Really, why aren't these available yet? More unnecessary secrecy?

ZipZap
Oct 3, 2012, 07:11 AM
I agree with your points. However, these accessories should have been available right at launch. Developers had iOS 6 available months before launch, the accessory makers should have had the same luxury.

Sure, Apple wants to keep everything secret, but anyone with an Internet connection knew the 30-pin connector was going the way of the dinosaur. Even mainstream news outlets were reporting the change. What was the competitive advantage in keeping this a secret?

It's going to take these accessory makers months now to produce these accessories. This isn't just changing the connector. These accessories will have to be designed and thoroughly tested and go through the FCC and whatnot. We will be very lucky if we see these accessories by the Holiday season.

In the very least, Apple should have had the adaptors available immediately. Really, why aren't these available yet? More unnecessary secrecy?

Because all production went to making the cables for Apple. I dont disagree with you. Apple dropped the ball on this.

APlotdevice
Oct 3, 2012, 07:15 AM
Headphone jack on the bottom of the device would hinder possible functionality.

I guess why they put the jack on the bottom is a separate discussion though (I can think of a few reasons...nothing huge is jumping out though).

iPods (all types) have had their headphone jack on the bottom for ages. Yet Apple continued to produce docks for them.

bearda
Oct 3, 2012, 08:16 AM
The differences:

1) There are very few machines currently in use that have TB ports while there will be 100 million LTNG compatible devices in use within weeks, 200 million by Christmas (rough guesses of course but if you count iPod Nanos I think we could be seeing that kind of number).

+1. It's kind of hard to say TB is the answer to everything when Apple's Pro workstation still isn't equipped with it. External TB RAID arrays have a pretty clear use case, but are completely unusable on the Mac Pro.

rsnapeuk
Oct 3, 2012, 08:21 AM
I presume Apple aren't manufacturing docks as it gives manufacturers the opportunity to fill the gap in the market, and chances are once they've got use to building simple dock, learning about the technology behind Lighning theyll begin to create lightning related accessories..

Kissaragi
Oct 3, 2012, 09:21 AM
I still have yet to see ONE valid reason why humans shouldn't be able to fly. Forget all those technical reasons and rationale, we've heard it. Just tell me one good reason why I cannot fly? Birds fly. I should fly.

ONE good reason! I DARE YOU!

Weight. Your welcome.

ShiTzuism
Oct 3, 2012, 09:40 AM
So a 25 minute mod project that "bolts in" on a $90 piece of aluminum? Hmm, Im sorry but why not just pick up one of the cheaper docks made specifically for the iphone5 connector? :confused:

gtstricky
Oct 3, 2012, 09:46 AM
Just having the adapters ready would have been a big improvement over this situation. Someone buy Steve Cook a "WWSD" bracelet.


I fly... USAir

mdelvecchio
Oct 3, 2012, 10:35 AM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

how bout because they dont feel like it?

serious. they know the after-market crowd will make plenty and better docs than their own, which is typically designed around a case-less iphone.

tbrinkma
Oct 3, 2012, 10:47 AM
Well, I mean the black models "paint", on the antenna-frame...
I think daily use in a dock, would damage the black paint... And i guess Apple knows it...

That's anodization, not paint. Sliding it into and out of something softer than the aluminum isn't going to damage the anodization. Anybody familiar with the process (including Apple) knows that.

jzuena
Oct 3, 2012, 11:33 AM
Maybe a dock is coming and due to the small connector size of Lighting they will use the audio jack to hold it up? As well as using the audio jack to pass through the analogue sound to the dock :)

If a dock is designed to use both the lightning connector and the audio jack, it will only work on items that have the exact same spacing between the two. If iPhone 6 is wider (or thinner) and the audio jack moves farther/closer to the lightning port, it won't fit. I doubt the new iPod nano has the two ports at the same distance from each other as the iPhone, so now there could even be a current device that wouldn't fit. Moving the audio jack to the bottom won't be of any help to the dock makers.

jmitch720
Oct 3, 2012, 11:51 AM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

This article shows an email from Phil Schiller who basically says that they are not making a dock because most people use speaker docks anyway. http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/18/apple-marketing-svp-phil-schiller-confirms-apple-has-no-iphone-5-dock-in-the-works/

janstett
Oct 3, 2012, 04:08 PM
Who has the time or desire to modify an accessory for the iPhone 5 lightning connector? Sure, it's a great conversation topic, but it's not practical. I have the iPhone 5 and I feel no need to go modifying incompatible docks. I will say, however, that Apple really should have worked harder to get third-party accessory makers ready by the release of the new iPhone.

Still using my 4S in-car, waiting for 30-pin-to-lightning car cradles... And even when they materialize I will lose video out, so my neat trick of streaming TV to my nav screen with sling player will be dead.

darkslide29
Oct 3, 2012, 04:43 PM
iPods (all types) have had their headphone jack on the bottom for ages. Yet Apple continued to produce docks for them.

Reason for this is because the old 30-pin had analog audio out, whereas the new lightning connector is digital only.
That's (part of) the reason that the adapter itself costs $30, because it is acting as a DAC (digital audio convertor). It is taking the digital source of the iPhone 5, and converting it into an analog audio signal that the dock/component can understand and play out.
To think of it this way makes $30 sound more reasonable. Not that it's cheap. However, this makes me think a dock would have to cost even more than $30, making it look unaffordable to many. So I guess they decided to not even try.

Me, I don't really care for the audio out. I just want something sleek to be able to charge it on.

----------

Still using my 4S in-car, waiting for 30-pin-to-lightning car cradles... And even when they materialize I will lose video out, so my neat trick of streaming TV to my nav screen with sling player will be dead.

Time to get an Apple TV in there for video AirPlay since it'll no longer require a wifi hotspot ;)

MagnusVonMagnum
Oct 3, 2012, 10:08 PM
I still have yet to see ONE valid reason why humans shouldn't be able to fly. Forget all those technical reasons and rationale, we've heard it. Just tell me one good reason why I cannot fly? Birds fly. I should fly.

ONE good reason! I DARE YOU!

I'll give you SEVEN reasons humans cannot fly:

1> They don't have enough frequent flyer miles yet. :cool:

2> They didn't buy a ticket. :confused:

3> They are on the "no fly list" and TSA stops them from flying. :eek:

4> They don't own their own plane. ;)

5> Their name is neither NEO or Kal-El. :(

6> They simply haven't taken enough drugs yet. :D

7> Their lack of faith is disturbing. :o

jdwebster
Oct 4, 2012, 01:11 AM
Hmm... why is he about to stick his penis in it? :eek:

Is it wrong to say penis on these forums??


(look at the shadow)

REDNAVE
Oct 4, 2012, 02:16 AM
I made my own FREE lightning dock by modifying the earpod case :)
Took me about two and a half hours to figure out.

kappaknight
Oct 4, 2012, 03:27 PM
I still have yet to see ONE valid reason why humans shouldn't be able to fly. Forget all those technical reasons and rationale, we've heard it. Just tell me one good reason why I cannot fly? Birds fly. I should fly.

ONE good reason! I DARE YOU!

Honestly, flying takes a lot of energy. If we could fly, it'd probably feel like sprinting, except with our arms and for longer distances - which means most of us would choose not to fly anyway.

We're a nation of fat chickens.

iGrip
Oct 4, 2012, 09:43 PM
This is the Thunderbolt port all over again. It has been almost 2 years and we still don't have many TB devices.

That is because almost nobody owns a computer that has a TB port. When you consider that all Macs put together comprise less than ten percent of the market, the percentage of computers in the wild with TB ports is just a rounding error.

pcharles
Oct 5, 2012, 09:11 AM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

When I got my first iPad I bought a Dock, but the moment I put the iPad in its case the Dock was completely useless because it no longer fit and I did not want to remove the case. I now sit the iPad on a beautiful Just Mobile UpStand (****************0JTdj) and plug a cable in the side. It is so much better than the stand ever was.

I think Apple canceled the iPad Dock, perhaps due to poor sales. Remember the stupid keyboard dock they came out with? Man, oh man, was that the dumbest design ever! I am still not sold on iPad keyboards, but even the worst of the current bunch are much better. I wish someone would come out with a keyboard built in to a thin cover like with the announced Windows Tablets.

imthenachoman
Oct 5, 2012, 10:45 AM
For this whole a-dock-is-important vs not-important debate, it's a matter of lifestyle preference, right? Some people do not mind the cluttered look, and extra work, of grabbing a cable, plugging it in, and then putting their phone down on some table with cable visible. Some do. I much prefer the clean and elegant look of a dock -- both at home and in my car. I don't want to have to muck with a cable. I want to take my phone out of my pocket and rest it in some dock -- no grabbig cables.

I still have yet to see ONE valid reason why humans shouldn't be able to fly. Forget all those technical reasons and rationale, we've heard it. Just tell me one good reason why I cannot fly? Birds fly. I should fly.

ONE good reason! I DARE YOU!

We're too dumb and would fly too close to the sun. You've heard of Icarus' plight, right?

docks are overrated

You sir, or ma'am, are wrong.

I made my own FREE lightning dock by modifying the earpod case :)
Took me about two and a half hours to figure out.

I do not know if we are allowed to cuss here but [explicative removed] BRILLIANT! I'm going to do the same and add some kind of mold to the base for added support.

sosnpk
Oct 5, 2012, 01:01 PM
I made my own FREE lightning dock by modifying the earpod case :)
Took me about two and a half hours to figure out.

Could you provide details on what you figured out?

REDNAVE
Oct 5, 2012, 01:02 PM
I modified it further with a more metallic/carbon fiber look =)

Glassed Silver
Oct 5, 2012, 04:24 PM
Are there HDDs that can feed 10GB/s of throughput? To my knowledge, even the fastest flash based drives don't break the 1GB/s barrier. Slower physical disks won't even saturate a USB2 connection.

Ever heard of RAID?

But even without that in mind, my iMac has four USB ports, and just like any sane person, both my external HDDs are connected with no hub in between.

That leaves me with only 2 usable ports.

With Thunderbolt, I can daisy-chain, get more speed and even save the USB ports for anything else.

My 7 port USB hub is almost full and I'd really like to shift my drives to a decent, new and welcomed technology, problem is that many offers for this seem to be so lacking and/or expensive, that I seriously get annoyed by this.

I'm sitting here with a 2011 iMac and STILL wait for reasonable products.

It's quite a letdown, especially as I'm in the market for new drives as my current storage is slowly but surely getting maxed out.
That's not to say I actually need to replace one of my drives, as it's old and starting to show its age.

Not willing to run a NAS either, really not.

Glassed Silver:mac

Neodym
Oct 5, 2012, 05:41 PM
That's anodization, not paint. Sliding it into and out of something softer than the aluminum isn't going to damage the anodization. Anybody familiar with the process (including Apple) knows that.
That's only true if the anodization process has been done properly. If e.g. the basis material has not been cleaned properly, the anodization layer will not be as strong and thick as needed to withstand scratches and the such.

Considering the current riots in Foxconn's iPhone factories, chances are that exactly things like this happen - and the quality guys are on strike right now (or something like that).

So in theory you may be right...

drambuie
Oct 5, 2012, 08:34 PM
Are there HDDs that can feed 10GB/s of throughput? To my knowledge, even the fastest flash based drives don't break the 1GB/s barrier. Slower physical disks won't even saturate a USB2 connection.

PCIe SSDs, such as the OCZ Revo X2 drives are rated at 1.5GB/s read, and 1.25GB/s write at $1/GB, or less. Since Thunderbolt is a PCIe extension, it should be possible to reach such speeds, and higher, on an external Thunderbolt SSD.

bbunn19
Oct 7, 2012, 01:31 AM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

Probably because it would restrict functionality of the headphone jack, which is now located on the bottom.

Senseotech
Oct 7, 2012, 01:41 AM
Probably because it would restrict functionality of the headphone jack, which is now located on the bottom.

We've had iPods for years with the headphone jack on the bottom and that certainly never stopped Apple from releasing dock adapter inserts to use them docked.

hamkor04
Oct 7, 2012, 07:44 PM
I have still not read a single valid reason why Apple is not selling a dock themselves.

This is what Apple says - We wanted to give something to accessories makers
And give iphone user more choice as they can use what they like.

There is real answer- Apple doesn't want to deal with another complains. There is no doubt they have few docking models (perhaps they suck) they are no "good" enough to sell.
But, hey they will get better. at least headphones got better now, no matter how many years they sucked

Digital Skunk
Oct 8, 2012, 06:44 AM
If I do make the switch to an iPhone, the only device I want to dock it with is my alarm clock next to the bed. Other than that I will have to agree with Apple. Having a dock right next to a desktop or just to keep the phone upright is nice, but not TOTALLY necessary.

bbotte
Oct 8, 2012, 07:24 AM
I want to know why Apple doesn't have a version of this new connector with a Thunderbolt connector at the other end instead of USB...

APlotdevice
Oct 8, 2012, 07:37 AM
I want to know why Apple doesn't have a version of this new connector with a Thunderbolt connector at the other end instead of USB...

That would be beyond overkill for starters. As people have pointed out, the memory in current iDevices isn't even fast enough to exceed USB 2.0 speeds. The only advantage I could see to using TB is that it can supply 10W of power natively.

Thunderhawks
Oct 8, 2012, 11:52 AM
I still have yet to see ONE valid reason why humans shouldn't be able to fly. Forget all those technical reasons and rationale, we've heard it. Just tell me one good reason why I cannot fly? Birds fly. I should fly.

ONE good reason! I DARE YOU!

If you post a picture of yourselves, I'll take a guess.

NOT ENOUGH FEATHERS MAYBE?

They grow less with age, probably testosterone related.

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- and the quality guys are on strike right now (or something like that).

So in theory you may be right...

The quality guys are most likely putting higher demands onto the workers and reject a lot of parts.

So, the assembly liner workers are actually on strike because if they are paid by the piece (or get bonuses based on pieces) they lose money (taking longer)

If they are paid hourly wages, they will be evaluated badly for faulty production and may be fired.

Foxconn gets pressure from Apple about all the scratches etc. and needs to look into improving the production process.

wikus
Oct 8, 2012, 03:18 PM
I believe this is because Thunderbolt is overkill for the vast majority of devices.

Its not overkill, its a great connection. Its just that Apple has no clue on how to price it well, set some standards on product releases nor did they take into account that USB 3.0 would crap all over it.

Basically, it was a complete failure.

Senseotech
Oct 8, 2012, 03:24 PM
Its not overkill, its a great connection. Its just that Apple has no clue on how to price it well, set some standards on product releases nor did they take into account that USB 3.0 would crap all over it.

Basically, it was a complete failure.

Yep, Apple's fault because third party manufacturers didn't make products for it. Apple's fault that Intel sets licensing prices for a technology it technically owns. Apple's fault all around, eh?

hamkor04
Oct 16, 2012, 09:37 PM
it looks like a old HP printers